Hello everyone!
I´d like to know why the Bard class does not get Heal as a 6th lvl spell.
I don´t think it would make him stronger, and it would let him be a moderate healer at higher levels.
Thanks for listening!
My take: bards are dabblers in healing, not specialists. It's the same reason they don't get Raise Dead or (Greater) Restoration.
I might add that Heal is a quite useful offensive spell against undead. This is a quite specific cleric power, and not very bardish.
I would point out "Soothing performance" should probably be in A minor, and is really minor on power!
Ahhh...
but nothing makes you "feel better" than hearing a good song!
Nothing refreshes better than a mighty drinking or work song!I say bards should get a heal ... but .... yea...keep it minor.
If so, why not in the spell´s entry just say that if casted by a Bard, it cannot use it against undead?
I would point out "Soothing performance" should probably be in A minor, and is really minor on power!
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can see why Heal is not given to Bard,
they aren't very religeous in comparison now are they? ;)
maybe add a song that increases thier dice for Cure Spells?
have to admit though, not getting Heal is the only reason,
I've never played a Bard since v3.0
It gimps the class from a necessary party contribution at that level
maybe add an option to swap one of the 6th level spells for it?
makes for a hard decision, but is at least obtainable then ;)
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If so, why not in the spell´s entry just say that if casted by a Bard, it cannot use it against undead?Ahhh...
but nothing makes you "feel better" than hearing a good song!
Nothing refreshes better than a mighty drinking or work song!I say bards should get a heal ... but .... yea...keep it minor.
I don't have a problem with that....
please don't go adding special notes to spells to make them work different for some classes, it's been discarded in 3.5 I believe and should stay that way.
If so, why not in the spell´s entry just say that if casted by a Bard, it cannot use it against undead?
Because then it's a different spell.
It also would go against the whole 'Healing hurts undead' thing that literally every other healing spell in the game has.
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What about something like a "Song of Life" at 15th or 16th level? Costs maybe 3 daily uses of bardic music and gives allies within earshot fast healing equal to half the bard's level for as long as he continues to perform, up to 1 minute maximum.
Fast Healing 8 for 10 rounds is 80hp to everyone at level 16. It's not quite mass heal, but it's pretty nice.
Also, if you want the bard to have a "save the fighter's ass" spell, why not invent a new spell that gives, say, 100 temporary hp for a few rounds? That way, you can do something that has just as much potential to save the party's bacon as heal, but without stepping on the cleric's toes and also without getting into the "obliterating undead" aspect.
Just my 2 coppers.
What about something like a "Song of Life" at 15th or 16th level? Costs maybe 3 daily uses of bardic music and gives allies within earshot fast healing equal to half the bard's level for as long as he continues to perform, up to 1 minute maximum.
Fast Healing 8 for 10 rounds is 80hp to everyone at level 16. It's not quite mass heal, but it's pretty nice.
Also, if you want the bard to have a "save the fighter's ass" spell, why not invent a new spell that gives, say, 100 temporary hp for a few rounds? That way, you can do something that has just as much potential to save the party's bacon as heal, but without stepping on the cleric's toes and also without getting into the "obliterating undead" aspect.
Just my 2 coppers.
Well those ideas are in there already... they just aren't well carried out:
Soothing Performance -- should be a good downtime healer with fast healing instead of a 1 min mass cure light wounds
Inspire Greatness & Heroics -- are supposed to be a great "booster" to save the fighter and give him the umphf to carry on... but in reality amount to an aid spell and a "Positive energy levels" spell... not too sure how great they are.
Anyway, I´d like to know, as many in here must have forgotten, is why the Bard does not get the Heal spell.
Or if he should.
He doesn't get it becuase it's not his type of magic, just like the other major healing spells aren't on his list, and the raise dead spells aren't. He isn't a primary healer.
It's like why he doesn't get magic missile, burning hands or the like.
Anyway, I´d like to know, as many in here must have forgotten, is why the Bard does not get the Heal spell.
Or if he should.
I think the point in discussing bardic performance is this:
The bard doesn't get healing because its not his kind of spells. BUT he might get some more potent healing through his bardic performances.