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Erik Mona wrote:

Isn't the Professor X womb-twin thing from Morrison's run on New X-Men? I seem to remember a female Xavier-looking creature drawn by Frank Quitely during that era.

Yes, Cassandra Nova was indeed from Morrison's run on X-Men. In the grand tradition of "if a little is good, a ton is better," instead of giving her a rest after Morrison using her, other writers decided to beat her into the ground as the "new Magneto," i.e. archvillain of the series, which makes sense since Morrison made Magneto into a complete chump.

Liberty's Edge

I liked the Belasco storyline too, with the evil Nightcrawler and whatnot.
memries.....

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I'm nt as much a comic book reader as I was in the pas - so I have a question. Who is Power Girl. I can make some assumptions - one is that she is supergirl from the old days grown up but I really am not sure.

Thank you in advance...

Liberty's Edge

It depends on the D.C. universe, near as I can tell.

On the t.v. JL Unlimited, she's a more mature clone of Supergirl; IDK what other backstorys they have for her.


In Justice Society comics, she is Supergirl from another dimension.

(Sigh!)

Grand Lodge

Erik Mona wrote:
Isn't the Professor X womb-twin thing from Morrison's run on New X-Men? I seem to remember a female Xavier-looking creature drawn by Frank Quitely during that era.

Oh yeah. It was, wasn't it? Nova did show up again in Astonishing, though, as part of the Hellfire Club.

Either way, I dig the Professor X womb-thing.

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Shem wrote:

I'm nt as much a comic book reader as I was in the pas - so I have a question. Who is Power Girl. I can make some assumptions - one is that she is supergirl from the old days grown up but I really am not sure.

Thank you in advance...

Power Girl is the Supergirl from Earth-2 (silver age stories) pre-crisis.

Post Crisis her origin has been tweaked a lot, but post infinite Crisis we're back to her being Earth-2 Supergirl cousin of the Golden Age Superman and, apparently, one of the few who can remember the pre-crisis worlds. Superboy-prime, Donna Troy, and Psycho Pirate being the others I can think of off the top of my head.

She has all the powers and weaknesses of Superman (in theory at Kal-El's power level, since she'd be his age. Kal-L [Superman-2] seems stronger than Kal-El) but immunity to kryptonite (Kryptonians are only vulnerable to kryptonite from their native dimension, Superboy Prime is immune to all kryptonite since his Krypton fell into the sun, rather than blow up)


<<I haven't read this comic, but my sense is that Morrison doesn't think much of super-heroes, and there's a sense that he thinks he's slumming when he's writing for them. I loved the first half of his run on New X-Men, but it's clear he was making it up as he went along and the whole thing smashed like a trainwreck at the end.>>

Morrison doesn't like superheroes? Erik Mona, have you read his JLA run, the best JLA run ever that single handedly made that comic viable again?

As for Final Crisis and Batman RIP, they may be flawed storyteller experiments but I'd rather have something different than rape-based fan-fiction like Identity Crisis. These are some the best stories out right now, warts and all.

Finally, New X-men is the only reason we had Astonishing or the latest Messiah story lines. As for the mess at the end, what I've been told by insiders is that a lot of that was editorial. Enough so that at the next Comic-Con GM surprised Joe Q by sitting at the DC panel. Apparently Joe Q was screaming at him "You owe me!" at the time...


najas latep wrote:

Morrison doesn't like superheroes? Erik Mona, have you read his JLA run, the best JLA run ever that single handedly made that comic viable again?

As for Final Crisis and Batman RIP, they may be flawed storyteller experiments but I'd rather have something different than rape-based fan-fiction like Identity Crisis. These are some the best stories out right now, warts and all.

Finally, New X-men is the only reason we had Astonishing or the latest Messiah story lines. As for the mess at the end, what I've been told by insiders is that a lot of that was editorial. Enough so that at the next Comic-Con GM surprised Joe Q by sitting at the DC panel. Apparently Joe Q was screaming at him "You owe me!" at the time...

Editorial changes cut both ways. I often hear that a writers vision was screwed up by an editior, but rarely do I hear people say that something was made better by editors that tweaked some of the wilder ideas a writer might have.

Wait, I do seem to remember Mark Millar mentioning that his editor reigned him in with some of the stuff he wanted to do in Wanted, and in retrospect he thought the changes were a good idea, because he'd have nowhere to go if he started out with what he wanted to do.

I know Morrison butted heads with DC editors during his run on Justice League, and when he left the book he swore he would never work for DC again (heh).

I'm not saying that I have any love for Joe Quesada, but I'm also not going to say that Grant Morrison is the best example of a reasonable writer for a given company to deal with. Also, I can site several comic writers that had brilliant runs on comics that later on just never seemed to have the same magic . . . Chris Claremont and John Byrne spring to mind.


>Wait, I do seem to remember Mark Millar mentioning that his editor >reigned him in with some of the stuff he wanted to do in Wanted, and in >retrospect he thought the changes were a good idea, because he'd have >nowhere to go if he started out with what he wanted to do.

He was reigned in? Wow, that only makes it sadder nerd-rage/rape-fantasy trash.

I do agree that GM is probably not too easy to work with, but New X-men comes out of left field with the Xorn as Magneto stuff that it really kills the whole storyline. There's also the Chinatown issue where Xorn writes in his diary, done by an artist GM - from what I heard - had to pull in for that special issue.


Erik Mona wrote:

I haven't read this comic, but my sense is that Morrison doesn't think much of super-heroes, and there's a sense that he thinks he's slumming when he's writing for them.

Also, I read a story about him dropping acid and talking to Professor X about how the storyline in New X-Men should go.

Please tell me you're joking about that past part.

Though I did read somewhere else that Morrison claimed that his ideas for Doom Patrol )or whatever title it was that had King Mob in it) were inspired by his telepathic contact with aliens in the Himalayas.


Eric Hinkle wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:

I haven't read this comic, but my sense is that Morrison doesn't think much of super-heroes, and there's a sense that he thinks he's slumming when he's writing for them.

Also, I read a story about him dropping acid and talking to Professor X about how the storyline in New X-Men should go.

Please tell me you're joking about that past part.

Though I did read somewhere else that Morrison claimed that his ideas for Doom Patrol )or whatever title it was that had King Mob in it) were inspired by his telepathic contact with aliens in the Himalayas.

I'm afraid not. I don't know if it was acid, but it was SOME kind of drug, and he was flying high indeed, talking to good 'ol Chuck.

Doom Patrol and telepathic contact with Himalayan aliens? Isn't that how the storyline for that book usually goes?

Grand Lodge

This thread reminds me of why I haven't bought a comic book in over 10 years. I think I got out before most of the big companies got bought out by corporate interests who monetized everything into mediocrity. The last series that I bought was 'Johnny The Homicidal Maniac' which Jhonen Vasquez ended when he should have AND LEFT IT ALONE after that!
I still enjoy the DC Vertigo stuff especially the 'Lucifer' series during its run but I haven't bothered with superhero comics since the early '90's or so. Now I mainly collect graphic novels or compilations of story lines from years past. I'd buy more anime if I could find a decent source for it but even that isn't what it used to be.

I'm hoping that the 'everything-old-is-new-again' cycle will breathe some life into the medium and we'll see more independent studios being formed and new, refreshing comics on the shelves; I'm not holding my breath though. I think that all of the talent that would have went into the comics industry 10 years ago is instead using the intertubes were the cost of entry is so much lower but the signal-to-noise ratio is so much higher.

I still keep a sharp-eyed lookout for this century's Alan Moore or Warren Ellis or Frank Miller or Leonardo Manco or Dave Gibbons or Neil Gaiman but the horizon appears to be vacant.

SM

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Well hopefully now that Disney owns Marvel they can reign in some of the more Insane Crap that has been put out in the last 5 or so years

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Chris Mortika wrote:


(My complaint about "Brand New Day" isn't that it was new and change-y, but that it betrayed everything we'd known about Peter and Mary Jane. They had always brought out the best in each other, and they both recognized that. Accepting a deal from Mephisto didn't make sense.)

Actually it did because if you look closely, Mary Jane had such faith in thier relationship, she was betting that ultimately thier love would triumph over any thing that Mephisto could do as part of his Faustian offer. Time will tell whether she was right.

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