Campaign Setting Book vs Final Pathfinder RPG rules book

[Ash_Gazn]

I've been following along with the Pathfinder Beta rules, though I don't have a game I can use them in right now.

The only "Campaign Setting" books I have are The Pirates Guide to Freeport, and it's associated d20 companion and the Buccaneers of Freeport, and I write My own worlds, so I wasn't working too hard to get the Golarion Campaign Setting book.

Is there going to be a new CS book when the final hardcover Pathfinder rules come out, or is the the final rules book going to be all inclusive and have the full Setting information too?

Whatever the answer, it's not changing My plans to buy the hard cover final rules, I'm just curious.

[Krome]

Paizo folks have said they will not include Gollarion specific information in the PRPG, except for the deities list- which will not be open content.

The Campaign Setting is just about 100% fluff and no rules crunch, so does not need to be reprinted when the final PRPG ruleset comes out. In fact, the CS can work with any rule system.

Now, I know you write your own world and all, but you should look into the CS just to mine for ideas. It is full of cool stuff you can scavenge and adapt to fit your own needs and wants.

[tharian]

Krome wrote:

Paizo folks have said they will not include Gollarion specific information in the PRPG, except for the deities list- which will not be open content.

The Campaign Setting is just about 100% fluff and no rules crunch, so does not need to be reprinted when the final PRPG ruleset comes out. In fact, the CS can work with any rule system.

Now, I know you write your own world and all, but you should look into the CS just to mine for ideas. It is full of cool stuff you can scavenge and adapt to fit your own needs and wants.

Is the CS also the book that shows the holy symbols for the deities that were listed in the PRPG Beta?

[Bagpuss]

Krome wrote:

The Campaign Setting is just about 100% fluff and no rules crunch, so does not need to be reprinted when the final PRPG ruleset comes out. In fact, the CS can work with any rule system.

Some of the feats will need rewriting or discarding. There's also PrCs in it.

[KaeYoss]

Krome wrote:

The Campaign Setting is just about 100% fluff

That's not quite true, though the rules content is quite light:

An optional, alternative class feature for each of the 11 core classes (some will need a rework, if you do want to use them)

1 or 2 feats per Nation described. (Some might need some rework)

Not quite 2 pages worth of additional domains (which are in the SRD but not in the PHB. They will be in the PF final book, though, so they will already be upgraded)

2 pages worth of Domain Spells, which will again be obsolete when the RPG comes

Equipment, though this will not really need much change, if any at all.

2 pages worth of General feats, some of which will need some update

5 Prestige Classes, which will need minor updates. One of them (Pathfinder Chronicler) will be in the PF RPG book (to showcase campaign-specific, organisation-bound PrCs)

4 NPCs in the appendix (but frankly, those can be used without much hassle even without converting them).

Random Encounter Tables (which might need a little bit of change)

Still, the actual rules content is less than 10%, and much of it can be used with either ruleset without any change whatsoever (and the rest is usually easy to update)

[KaeYoss]

I also recommend at least looking into the Campaign Setting. It seriously rocks.

[Epic Meepo]

KaeYoss wrote:

Still, the actual rules content is less than 10%, and much of it can be used with either ruleset without any change whatsoever (and the rest is usually easy to update)

True enough, but I'm still curious to know Paizo's plans for the campaign setting book. If they do another print run a year from now, will they keep the rules that are in the book now, or will they tweak the rules to better fit PRPG?

[Bagpuss]

Epic Meepo wrote:

KaeYoss wrote:

Still, the actual rules content is less than 10%, and much of it can be used with either ruleset without any change whatsoever (and the rest is usually easy to update)

True enough, but I'm still curious to know Paizo's plans for the campaign setting book. If they do another print run a year from now, will they keep the rules that are in the book now, or will they tweak the rules to better fit PRPG?

It's going to look pretty ludicrous if they just reprint the same stuff. However, I guess they'd better not make it a subscription item; I might be OK with another, updated, copy but I bet a lot of subscribers won't be.

[KaeYoss]

I don't think they'll put the reprint into the subscriptions, people would cancel in troves.

[James Jacobs]

Epic Meepo wrote:

KaeYoss wrote:

Still, the actual rules content is less than 10%, and much of it can be used with either ruleset without any change whatsoever (and the rest is usually easy to update)

True enough, but I'm still curious to know Paizo's plans for the campaign setting book. If they do another print run a year from now, will they keep the rules that are in the book now, or will they tweak the rules to better fit PRPG?

If we reprint the Campaign Setting, we'll incorporate all the errata we've been tracking, probably swap out a few pieces of art for new art, and certainly rework the crunch to be compatible with the PF RPG rules. I suspect the page of domains will be replaced by a big table of consolidated deity information (like you see on the inside front cover of Gods & Magic). We've no plans for a reprint yet though, so it might be a while.

[James Jacobs]

Reprints are by their nature not subscription items.

[KaeYoss]

Would pdf owners get access to the new version, or would it be handled as a separate product?