Vital Statistics and Alignment

[Kemper Woodlock]

It seems a little odd to me that the Age, Height and Weight tables are in chapter 8, page 122, behind Alignment, when the Races are in chapter 3 page 8. I would like to see these charts either 1) At the front or back of Chapter 3, or 2) As a separate small chart with each races description. It flows better as far a character creation, at least in my view.

Similarly, Alignment in Chapter 8 comes after equipment, and it seems it would also flow a little better if it came after classes, before skills, especially since some classes require certain alignments.

Opinions?

Thanks for reading. :)

[Montalve]

remember its a beta, surely they will put them in the correct way in the finished product... right? also the aprt about optional beginning hit points?

[Jason Bulmahn]

Kemper Woodlock wrote:

It seems a little odd to me that the Age, Height and Weight tables are in chapter 8, page 122, behind Alignment, when the Races are in chapter 3 page 8. I would like to see these charts either 1) At the front or back of Chapter 3, or 2) As a separate small chart with each races description. It flows better as far a character creation, at least in my view.

Similarly, Alignment in Chapter 8 comes after equipment, and it seems it would also flow a little better if it came after classes, before skills, especially since some classes require certain alignments.

Opinions?

Thanks for reading. :)

Interesting.

I might just move those rules to the end of the races chapter. That said, the description chapter is a pretty good place to put all the rules that do not directly impact your character, such as height and weight. Alignment will probably have to stay where it is, because it would only serve to clutter and confuse another chapter and is not really long enough to get a chapter of its own.

Thoughts?

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

[Elf_NFB]

I don't have a problem with their location. The description section is a more appropriate section. It doesn't overwhelm a new player with strictly descriptive info. With regard to the rules, it's more important for someone to know the stats than their character is 5'11" and 189 lbs.

[Jal Dorak]

All I can say is keep Alignment near the Deity section - it seems natural to look at deities and alignment hand-in-hand. Also migh be helpful to put a table with alignments summarizing the available classes.

[Montalve]

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ok i will have to check... but i liked alignmets having their own chapter even if it was just a few pages... i blame 2nd AD&D for this preference... also the importance they gave to alignment beyond just descriptors, they explained society and organization changes within the use of alignments... they have many good ideas and descriptions i still use once in a while.

the height, weight and age deffinitively oughts to be in the races section, where else could it be?

[Dennis da Ogre]

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

Interesting.

I might just move those rules to the end of the races chapter. That said, the description chapter is a pretty good place to put all the rules that do not directly impact your character, such as height and weight. Alignment will probably have to stay where it is, because it would only serve to clutter and confuse another chapter and is not really long enough to get a chapter of its own.

Thoughts?

While you are at it can you please please move the halfling and gnome weights (and heights) up to something reasonable? the fact that halflings are shorter than my belt and light enough the typical barbarian can throw them 30' is just ridiculous. If you want to leave them so short then maybe beef them up a little so they might be able to reasonably wield a weapon capable of causing a human harm. A 35 lbs halfling fighter would realistically have a -4 or even -6 to strength. They should be about 6" shorter than a dwarf and weigh 50-75 lbs. Gnomes maybe the same height but a little skinnier.

[Mark Moreland]

The height/weight stuff takes up so little room that I see no reason not to put in its logical place along with race selection. It makes sense to me that one would see the table for height and weight near the races lineup picture.