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Kevin Mack wrote:
Yep ive noticed it as well. Ive always held the view that if you wouldent say it to someones face in real life then dont post it up in a forum. It is not political correctness to ask someone to communicate the same way you would communicate to someone face to face in real life. Simple fact is since odds are there never gonna see the other person in the flesh and they can hide behind some web nickname they feel they can be as rude and condesending as they want.

Ahh, the power of anonymity. Brings out the best and worst of people. Maybe we should step back and realize that we're sometimes seeing the extremes, and dismiss as appropriate.

Jal, your nerd rage stats are hilarious! Maybe add a minion control power?

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Zootcat wrote:


Han shot first!

Sisko is better than Picard and Kirk!

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Callous Jack wrote:
Zootcat wrote:


Han shot first!
Sisko is better than Picard and Kirk!

Why you gotta trip, kid?


yeah!! Kek teh rexXiz.

Sovereign Court

Heathansson wrote:
Why you gotta trip, kid?

It's in my nature.

Dark Archive

Callous Jack wrote:
Sisko is better than Picard and Kirk!

Sisko and Kirk would be a hell of a fist-fight. Janeway would probably just shoot the winner, 'though...

Jadzia Dax. Way, way, WAY hotter than Seven of Borg.

Silver Crusade

Set wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sisko is better than Picard and Kirk!

Sisko and Kirk would be a hell of a fist-fight. Janeway would probably just shoot the winner, 'though...

Jadzia Dax. Way, way, WAY hotter than Seven of Borg.

Kira was always my dark horse.

But Ensign Ro was my One.

Silver Crusade

Emperor7 wrote:


Ahh, the power of anonymity. Brings out the best and worst of people.

Ahhhh, GIFT.

Liberty's Edge

River Tam. Hotter than any Trek, Galactica, or Babylon chick. Ever.

Dark Archive

Mikaze wrote:
Kira was always my dark horse.

Kira? Hot.

Intendent Kira from the Mirror Universe? Worlds on fire, exploding suns, burny stuff on fire in the noon-day sun.

River Tam? Neat character, but they don't let guys my age hang around high school chicks.

Not since the restraining order.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Cuchulainn wrote:

River Tam. Hotter than any Trek, Galactica, or Babylon chick. Ever.

Got to disagree.

Eights. Lots of hot chickness in stereo, triplicate, hotness surrround sound.

Boomer encountering lots of her 'sisters' on the base star. Me jumping up and down on the couch screaming "More light!"

Scarab Sages

Mikaze wrote:
Set wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sisko is better than Picard and Kirk!

Sisko and Kirk would be a hell of a fist-fight. Janeway would probably just shoot the winner, 'though...

Jadzia Dax. Way, way, WAY hotter than Seven of Borg.

Kira was always my dark horse.

But Ensign Ro was my One.

Got a thing for the Bajoran nose, eh?

I might as well fire my shot across the bow:

MULDOON COULD HAVE LIVED FROM THAT RAPTOR ATTACK!

Dark Archive

Jal Dorak wrote:

I might as well fire my shot across the bow:

MULDOON COULD HAVE LIVED FROM THAT RAPTOR ATTACK!

He did. He and mama Raptor went off to make sweet, sweet lovin' and their clutch of half-human, half-Raptor spawn will soon be seen on a horrible Sci-Fi movie, right after Mansquito 2: Wrath of Mansquito.

Liberty's Edge

Jal Dorak wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
Set wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sisko is better than Picard and Kirk!

Sisko and Kirk would be a hell of a fist-fight. Janeway would probably just shoot the winner, 'though...

Jadzia Dax. Way, way, WAY hotter than Seven of Borg.

Kira was always my dark horse.

But Ensign Ro was my One.

Got a thing for the Bajoran nose, eh?

I might as well fire my shot across the bow:

MULDOON COULD HAVE LIVED FROM THAT RAPTOR ATTACK!

In the book, he did survive.

And for the record, Dax was indeed hotter than Seven.

Silver Crusade

Jal Dorak wrote:

Got a thing for the Bajoran nose, eh?

IT'S PURE COINCIDENCE I SWEAR.

Besides, if I were to have a fixation on any fictional alien race it would be twi'leks or delvians or something. Not that I have a fixation on any fictional alien race.

Also, why does Games Workshop hate Squats?

Liberty's Edge

Set wrote:


River Tam? Neat character, but they don't let guys my age hang around high school chicks.

Not since the restraining order.

LOL. Perhaps I should clarify, being an older guy myself, and certainly not wanting to develop an unsavory reputation. Summer Glau, who is totally legal, is smokin' hot. I would also list her Terminator character, Cameron, as totally hot also. Heck, Summer would make leprosy look hot.

Scarab Sages

Callous Jack wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Why you gotta trip, kid?
It's in my nature.

You a Scorpio, too, Jack?

Liberty's Edge

Gavgoyle wrote:
Zootcat wrote:


Han shot first!

Testify, Brother!

I own the trilogy on VHS, and Flying Spaghetti Monster as my witness, my daughter has grown up knowing that Han killed Greedo before he could be killed, and my son will grow up knowing it, too.

You can't stop the signal, Mal!

Hehe, I was hoping someone would go there. Cuz while people might argue about whether Han shot first, we all know that Mal shot first.

Course then he got beat up, but according to Jayne that ain't to hard.

But then, Jayne is a girl's name. And we could start at the part where he gets knocked out by a 90lbs girl, cuz that's never getting old.

Scarab Sages

Count Buggula wrote:
Gavgoyle wrote:
Zootcat wrote:


Han shot first!

Testify, Brother!

I own the trilogy on VHS, and Flying Spaghetti Monster as my witness, my daughter has grown up knowing that Han killed Greedo before he could be killed, and my son will grow up knowing it, too.

You can't stop the signal, Mal!

Hehe, I was hoping someone would go there. Cuz while people might argue about whether Han shot first, we all know that Mal shot first.

Course then he got beat up, but according to Jane that ain't to hard.

But then, Jane is a girl's name. And we could start at the part where he gets knocked out by a 90lbs girl, cuz that's never getting old.

I dunno why i'm nitpicking on this, but it's spelled "Jayne".

Scarab Sages

Count Buggula wrote:

Hehe, I was hoping someone would go there. Cuz while people might argue about whether Han shot first, we all know that Mal shot first.

Course then he got beat up, but according to Jane that ain't to hard.

But then, Jane is a girl's name. And we could start at the part where he gets knocked out by a 90lbs girl, cuz that's never getting old.

Mal shot first, Mal shot unarmed individuals, and Mal was more or less right.

As for Jayne, man walks down the street in that hat, people know he's not afraid of anything.

Liberty's Edge

Solo pwn'd Mal
Chewy pwn'd Jayne
C-3PO wup't th' rest of th' crew except that hooker lady, who he made his girl.

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kessukoofah wrote:
Count Buggula wrote:
Gavgoyle wrote:
Zootcat wrote:


Han shot first!

Testify, Brother!

I own the trilogy on VHS, and Flying Spaghetti Monster as my witness, my daughter has grown up knowing that Han killed Greedo before he could be killed, and my son will grow up knowing it, too.

You can't stop the signal, Mal!

Hehe, I was hoping someone would go there. Cuz while people might argue about whether Han shot first, we all know that Mal shot first.

Course then he got beat up, but according to Jane that ain't to hard.

But then, Jane is a girl's name. And we could start at the part where he gets knocked out by a 90lbs girl, cuz that's never getting old.

I dunno why i'm nitpicking on this, but it's spelled "Jayne".

Ack! I even know better! I have no idea why I spelled it that way. Boo me! I'll fix it.

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Heathansson wrote:

Solo pwn'd Mal

Chewy pwn'd Jayne
C-3PO wup't th' rest of th' crew except that hooker lady, who he made his girl.

Naw, they all decided to screw fighting each other and go have a drink instead.

Liberty's Edge

Cuchulainn wrote:
River Tam. Hotter than any Trek, Galactica, or Babylon chick. Ever.

Indeed.

And now she is a Terminator!

Biggest Goof of the Sarah Connor Chronicles
Summer Glau as the Terminator says to high school boy John Connor "Come with me if you want to live" and he hesitates. It should have been:

Terminator: "Come with me i- . . ."
John Connor: <ZOOM>
<cut scene a mile away>
Terminator: "-f you want to live. Where are we?"
John Connor: "Live. Right. Sure. Whatever you want. <DROOL>"


Rhavin wrote:

Not that I can do anythign about it or influence the people who come onto these boards, but I need to know if I'm sugar-coating my memories when I think of the paizo boards pre 4-E announcement as a nicer and more polite environment.

I remember being stunned at the civility of the boards when I first started having come from the flaming troll-pool of the WoTC boards. Lately it's seemed to me that people are taking 4E and Pathfinder as excuses to be arrogant and rude for no reason other than that there are no real consequences. I remember being stunned at the literacy of the posters who treated these boards as what they are: a forum for the literate and civil discussion of a mutually enjoyed hobby.

So where are those glory days of yesteryear? Are they only in my memories or did they never actually exist?

'Re you suggestin' we ain't polite?

Time ta rouse up them lemmins.


He's gotta catapult?
Time to send an emmisary.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Rhavin wrote:

Not that I can do anythign about it or influence the people who come onto these boards, but I need to know if I'm sugar-coating my memories when I think of the paizo boards pre 4-E announcement as a nicer and more polite environment.

I remember being stunned at the civility of the boards when I first started having come from the flaming troll-pool of the WoTC boards. Lately it's seemed to me that people are taking 4E and Pathfinder as excuses to be arrogant and rude for no reason other than that there are no real consequences. I remember being stunned at the literacy of the posters who treated these boards as what they are: a forum for the literate and civil discussion of a mutually enjoyed hobby.

So where are those glory days of yesteryear? Are they only in my memories or did they never actually exist?

'Re you suggestin' we ain't polite?

Time ta rouse up them lemmins.

Hahaha prepare to--

*Something splats on heads*


*Looks around*
What? Why're you all looking at us?


Sigh...
Anyways, I believe that these boards are still very polite. You should see some of the others.


Samuel Weiss wrote:


Indeed.
And now she is a Terminator!

Biggest Goof of the Sarah Connor Chronicles
Summer Glau as the Terminator says to high school boy John Connor "Come with me if you want to live" and he hesitates. It should have been:

Terminator: "Come with me i- . . ."
John Connor: <ZOOM>
<cut scene a mile away>
Terminator: "-f you want to live. Where are we?"
John Connor: "Live. Right. Sure. Whatever you want. <DROOL>"

LOL

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Samuel Weiss wrote:
Cuchulainn wrote:
River Tam. Hotter than any Trek, Galactica, or Babylon chick. Ever.

Indeed.

And now she is a Terminator!

Biggest Goof of the Sarah Connor Chronicles
Summer Glau as the Terminator says to high school boy John Connor "Come with me if you want to live" and he hesitates. It should have been:

Terminator: "Come with me i- . . ."
John Connor: <ZOOM>
<cut scene a mile away>
Terminator: "-f you want to live. Where are we?"
John Connor: "Live. Right. Sure. Whatever you want. <DROOL>"

Funniest thing I've read all day. Right there.

Liberty's Edge

Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Sigh...

Anyways, I believe that these boards are still very polite. You should see some of the others.

A guy I work with reads the DDO Stormreach boards just for the obscenely petty rants. Frightening.

Dark Archive

Case in point Ive been getting a lot of stick here and over at the gaming den for quoting many of the things they have put up there. So I ask you is what I am doing wrong or is it there own fault for putting up quotes that will come back and bite them later on?

The Exchange

I'm slightly surprised you go over there - they aren't an edifying crowd.

Dark Archive

Kind of ironic since they seem to think your some sort of phantom lurker there. As for why I go well Ive actually been reading there stuff for a while now (probably 6 to 9 months) because from a mathamatics point of view they are very accurate and correct. What gets me is they post up what at times are very nasty and vile things about people here and then think no one over here is reading there posts.

The Exchange

Do they really? I haven't been there since I checked what Frank posted about me, which was months ago. The conversations are so boring - number crunching mixed with expletives. Ah well, nice to know they still care.


Mikaze wrote:
Emperor7 wrote:


Ahh, the power of anonymity. Brings out the best and worst of people.
Ahhhh, GIFT.

Yeah!! This sums it up!

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Mikaze wrote:
Emperor7 wrote:


Ahh, the power of anonymity. Brings out the best and worst of people.
Ahhhh, GIFT.

I find your theory intreging and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Scarab Sages

The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:

In the book, he did survive.

I know, that is why it incites my nerd-rage. Not only does he survive, but he is one of the best characters. He takes out Velociraptors with a rocket-launcher! He tranqs the Tyrannosaurus and consistently puts his life on the line to save everyone in the park. The man wanted a TANK on the island but Hammond said no, because he is stupid. Finally, he gets Grant and Sattler to blow up the Velociraptor nests with thermite charges. Plus, he has a moustache in the book (and Grant has a beard).

But, because Spielberg has a fixation on avoiding gun violence (but a T-Rex ripping a man in half is okay) he killed the character off. Want proof that this theory is legit? Please see the digital alterations to E.T. where the FBI carries radios instead of shotguns.

On top of all that, he goes down like a chump. I mean, Muldoon was the game warden of an African hunting preserve. He knows how predators think. He has a big long discussion with Grant about how intelligent the raptors are and that the big female is the leader. The whole movie he wrings his hands about the raptors. When he finally gets a gun in his hands, you expect some sort of resolution to his character arc (redemption/vindication/application of knowledge) but instead he does the dumbest thing possible and gets eaten by his nemesis. Yeah, great storytelling!

And worst of all, Hammond - the egomaniacal irresponsible lout responsible for the deaths of dozens of people and perhaps the worst abuse of science since the atomic bomb - gets off free and clear. Why? Because he is delightfully cheerful, and doesn't use guns. No, he kills people through improper action and inaction. Muldoon kills animals with guns. That is wrong. He must die!

Sorry, this should have gone in the "Rant" thread...

Scarab Sages

You should add a Firefly Cancellation DC to that list.

Oh...and River Tam vs Buffy

And...Drizzt vs Elminster.

Scarab Sages

Mactaka wrote:

You should add a Firefly Cancellation DC to that list.

Oh...and River Tam vs Buffy

And...Drizzt vs Elminster.

This is why I allow players and DMs to work with my system to select Triggers that are appropriate to their character. D&D should be about options. Theoretically, the list could go on for pages.

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Jal Dorak wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:

In the book, he did survive.

I know, that is why it incites my nerd-rage. Not only does he survive, but he is one of the best characters. He takes out Velociraptors with a rocket-launcher! He tranqs the Tyrannosaurus and consistently puts his life on the line to save everyone in the park. The man wanted a TANK on the island but Hammond said no, because he is stupid. Finally, he gets Grant and Sattler to blow up the Velociraptor nests with thermite charges. Plus, he has a moustache in the book (and Grant has a beard).

But, because Spielberg has a fixation on avoiding gun violence (but a T-Rex ripping a man in half is okay) he killed the character off. Want proof that this theory is legit? Please see the digital alterations to E.T. where the FBI carries radios instead of shotguns.

On top of all that, he goes down like a chump. I mean, Muldoon was the game warden of an African hunting preserve. He knows how predators think. He has a big long discussion with Grant about how intelligent the raptors are and that the big female is the leader. The whole movie he wrings his hands about the raptors. When he finally gets a gun in his hands, you expect some sort of resolution to his character arc (redemption/vindication/application of knowledge) but instead he does the dumbest thing possible and gets eaten by his nemesis. Yeah, great storytelling!

And worst of all, Hammond - the egomaniacal irresponsible lout responsible for the deaths of dozens of people and perhaps the worst abuse of science since the atomic bomb - gets off free and clear. Why? Because he is delightfully cheerful, and doesn't use guns. No, he kills people through improper action and inaction. Muldoon kills animals with guns. That is wrong. He must die!

Sorry, this should have gone in the "Rant" thread...

To be fair the origonal scripting boards show that the plan was for when the group are surrounded by the raptors Muldon (who survived the raptor attack or it never happend cant remember which) kicks the door open and blows the raptors away thing is spielberg was so fixated on all the CG stuff with the T-REX that he decided to put that in instead.

Also correct me if im wrong but dosent Hammond die in the book?

Dark Archive

Hammond indeed gets eated in the book. Paralyzed and nibbled to death while still alive and helpless by Composognathus. Probably the most horrible way to go that doesn't involve having an ovipositor rammed down your throat.

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Jal Dorak wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:

In the book, he did survive.

I know, that is why it incites my nerd-rage. Not only does he survive, but he is one of the best characters. He takes out Velociraptors with a rocket-launcher! He tranqs the Tyrannosaurus and consistently puts his life on the line to save everyone in the park. The man wanted a TANK on the island but Hammond said no, because he is stupid. Finally, he gets Grant and Sattler to blow up the Velociraptor nests with thermite charges. Plus, he has a moustache in the book (and Grant has a beard).

But, because Spielberg has a fixation on avoiding gun violence (but a T-Rex ripping a man in half is okay) he killed the character off. Want proof that this theory is legit? Please see the digital alterations to E.T. where the FBI carries radios instead of shotguns.

On top of all that, he goes down like a chump. I mean, Muldoon was the game warden of an African hunting preserve. He knows how predators think. He has a big long discussion with Grant about how intelligent the raptors are and that the big female is the leader. The whole movie he wrings his hands about the raptors. When he finally gets a gun in his hands, you expect some sort of resolution to his character arc (redemption/vindication/application of knowledge) but instead he does the dumbest thing possible and gets eaten by his nemesis. Yeah, great storytelling!

And worst of all, Hammond - the egomaniacal irresponsible lout responsible for the deaths of dozens of people and perhaps the worst abuse of science since the atomic bomb - gets off free and clear. Why? Because he is delightfully cheerful, and doesn't use guns. No, he kills people through improper action and inaction. Muldoon kills animals with guns. That is wrong. He must die!

Sorry, this should have gone in the "Rant" thread...

Totally with you. In the book, Hammond is much more of a nasty guy than in the film. The film should have been a lot more like the novel. Reason #4523245 why I hate Stephen Spielberg.

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Mactaka wrote:

You should add a Firefly Cancellation DC to that list.

Oh...and River Tam vs Buffy

And...Drizzt vs Elminster.

Firefly was cancelled by the CIA for unknown reasons.

River wins.

Drizzt and Elminster are both brutally butchered by Artemis Entreri.

Spoiler:
DEATH ATTACK!

Scarab Sages

Kevin Mack wrote:
To be fair the origonal scripting boards show that the plan was for when the group are surrounded by the raptors Muldon (who survived the raptor attack or it never happend cant remember which) kicks the door open and blows the raptors away thing is spielberg was so fixated on all the CG stuff with the T-REX that he decided to put that in instead.

Oh dear, I do believe I would have fainted with glee if that had happened. Even thinking about it gets my nerd mind all wound up!

Scarab Sages

Set wrote:

Hammond indeed gets eated in the book. Paralyzed and nibbled to death while still alive and helpless by Composognathus. Probably the most horrible way to go that doesn't involve having an ovipositor rammed down your throat.

Not only that, but his grandchildren are the cause of his death. They play T-Rex noises on the loudspeaker and he falls down a gulley and breaks his leg.

Other death differences include:

Arnold - still killed by raptors in the power shed.
Wu - not seen again in the movie, in the book is gutted and eaten alive by raptors.
Malcolm - dies from complications from his leg break (although resurrected for the Lost World, explaining he was in a coma)
Gennaro - lives in the book, helps Muldoon kill raptors
Regis - not in the film, is killed by a juvenile Tyrannosaur (replaced by Gennaro/Adult T-Rex in the movie.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

I came here from the WotC boards because they were making me unhappy. If I wanted more hostility in my life, I'd talk to my wife about her mother-in-law.

When I discovered these boards I was amazed at the humour, warmth, generosity, and intelligence. I was also surprised at the number of people saying "When did these boards get so hostile?" at that time.

It seems to have gone through a number of ups and downs since then.

So, my amazingly humourous, warm, generous, and intelligent friends, what are we going to do about it?

And please don't suggest tighter moderation ... that just calls out the secret police in all of us.

Scarab Sages

Jal Dorak wrote:

Not only that, but his grandchildren are the cause of his death. They play T-Rex noises on the loudspeaker and he falls down a gulley and breaks his leg.

Other death differences include:

Arnold - still killed by raptors in the power shed.
Wu - not seen again in the movie, in the book is gutted and eaten alive by raptors.
Malcolm - dies from complications from his leg break (although resurrected for the Lost World, explaining he was in a coma)
Gennaro - lives in the book, helps Muldoon kill raptors
Regis - not in the film, is killed by a juvenile Tyrannosaur (replaced by Gennaro/Adult T-Rex in the movie.

Yeah. And they all wore rose-colored glasses.

Oh, wait -- this is a thread-jack.

My bad -- carry on.

Dark Archive

Jal Dorak wrote:
Kevin Mack wrote:
To be fair the origonal scripting boards show that the plan was for when the group are surrounded by the raptors Muldon (who survived the raptor attack or it never happend cant remember which) kicks the door open and blows the raptors away thing is spielberg was so fixated on all the CG stuff with the T-REX that he decided to put that in instead.
Oh dear, I do believe I would have fainted with glee if that had happened. Even thinking about it gets my nerd mind all wound up!

Personaly I feel that CGI is way to overused in a lot of films. Its okay if the entire film is CGI such as Advent children or they use it to help build the story but often I get the impresion that they put in just so they can say "Hey look at the new shine thing we have created"

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