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Problem is they have even said there is no certainty that the changes they proposed will be implemented so untill I see proof otherwise im going to take it as the legal department saying "well look over the rules and think about it"They've been given the go-ahead to make changes to the GSL, which means the legal department is going to do more than "think about it". There will be changes made, and those changes will be for the better as far as 3PPs are concerned. The exact significance of the changes remains to be seen, but you really are dramatically underplaying all of this.
To be fair people said the exact same thing before the GSL first came out and people were getting annoyed at the delays. The entire give Lidda and scott a chance heck the head of necromancer games even vouched for Scott and Lurking Lidda and we saw how that turned out. Now I do believe that scott and lidda's intentions are pure and they are pushing for major changes what I dont have faith in is the WOTC legal department really listening to them. As I said before untill I see proof otherwise Its just the legal team saying "We'll listen to your suggestions but it dosent mean we will implement them"
To be fair people said the exact same thing before the GSL first came out and people were getting annoyed at the delays. The entire give Lidda and scott a chance heck the head of necromancer games even vouched for Scott and Lurking Lidda and we saw how that turned out. Now I do believe that scott and lidda's intentions are pure and they are pushing for major changes what I dont have faith in is the WOTC legal department really listening to them. As I said before untill I see proof otherwise Its just the legal team saying "We'll listen to your suggestions but it dosent mean we will implement them"Problem is they have even said there is no certainty that the changes they proposed will be implemented so untill I see proof otherwise im going to take it as the legal department saying "well look over the rules and think about it"They've been given the go-ahead to make changes to the GSL, which means the legal department is going to do more than "think about it". There will be changes made, and those changes will be for the better as far as 3PPs are concerned. The exact significance of the changes remains to be seen, but you really are dramatically underplaying all of this.
What do you think might happen? Are you actually considering that, after making an announcement on the website, discussing it at length on the forums and putting it out to the 3PP communities, nothing will get changed?
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Like I said if an FLGS is having to survive on the sales of D&D alone...then they probably deserve to go under.
This statement makes no sense at all. I said that D&D is a big enough part of my local's sales that if it were to disappear they would have trouble staying afloat because they would be cutting it too close to operating expenses. How on earth does that mean they deserve to go under? D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.
Tell that to the folks at Amrican and GM that are losing their jobs right now.non sequitur - what are you referring to?
He is referring back to a comment that I had made earlier.
I had said that one of the reasons we cannot afford for a major P&P RPG product line to fail is that with the current economy forcing players to cut back on descretionary spending. Game & Comic shops are being really squeezed right now (at least in my area), and we don't need to help them go under.
Like I said if an FLGS is having to survive on the sales of D&D alone...then they probably deserve to go under.This statement makes no sense at all. I said that D&D is a big enough part of my local's sales that if it were to disappear they would have trouble staying afloat because they would be cutting it too close to operating expenses. How on earth does that mean they deserve to go under? D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.
I think that we just said the same thing. :D
Most shops wouldn't even need to lose 20% of their current business to force them to go under. :(
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But that is your opinion that try wrong about 4e. Most of the pro 4e post sounds like an attempt to talk people into ‘just giving this poor little game a try’. I have and it’s nothing more then a MMO or a tactical wargame, me. That’s my opinion.
So you didn't role play at all? You did not participate in building a story? The GM laid out a game without a plot or interesting NPCs?
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I absolutely didn't mean it as a "go away" post. I am simply curious as to why someone with no like of Paizo would come on their boards? He displayed a dislike for the setting and game of Pathfinder so he probably doesn't want any conversions.
Actually this makes more sense than I thought.
I won't play 4E for a variety or reasons but I do have interest in it. I like to see some of the mechanical discussions and glean some info from them so I peruse the 4E forum. I also like to hear about news from 4E, such as a GSL change or some such. I also support the site and buy their products. I never said that the 4E forum should be closed or that people should go elsewhere, I am merely curious (as to very hard to state without offending people) as to why someone would even know about and use a site that only produces stuff that is not attractive to them. See my previous post for reasons as to why.
I never got snarky or attacked anyone and yet I am having a lot of hostility leveled at me unfairly.
I think you miss the point. You are on a 4e board. It is not a 4e forum limited to Paizo products only, it is just for general discussion. If someone wants to discuss 4e on multiple boards then why not?
As for getting a hostile reaction... I don't think you really intended it to be as snarky as what it sounded but IMO that's a pretty crass thing to say on the forum in general... saying it on the 4e forum is worse.
If you want some idea of how rude it is look at the reaction I got because I turned your question around on you.
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What do you think might happen? Are you actually considering that, after making an announcement on the website, discussing it at length on the forums and putting it out to the 3PP communities, nothing will get changed?
Well looking at there record They said the GSL would be available at x time and even had a phone call to 3rd party developers it wasent. They said that DDI would be fully available at launch it wasent. Also at the end of the day if the Wotc lawyers decide not to do anything there not the ones that have to go onto forums like Enworld and tell everyone that job goes to Lidda and Scott so they end up tacking all the flak.
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I definitely think they will revise some things about the GSL.
The question, however, is to what extent. There are a number of potentially problematic points within the GSL, and I'm fairly sure these have been made clear to WotC by Clark. I also think that, as the poster above states, the people Clark is dealing with will certainly push for changes, or at minimum present his requests. I agree, too, that the real question is to what extent the legal department, and the people in charge, will say. How willing are they to loosen some of these clauses, and potentially even get rid of others?
Will they go far in enough in making changes? We'll have to wait and see, though I at least won't be betting on it.
Hmm seeing a lot of I hope so and I thinks so it seems there not even sure what the changes are going to be not exactly a great confidence builder.
After their history I think a bit of cynicism is justified. Rouse is quite hedgy because he knows that whatever the change is it's unlikely to make everyone happy. He also knows from history that whatever he posts is followed closely and will be posted all over the place and any inaccuracies are going to be pounced upon.
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Like I said if an FLGS is having to survive on the sales of D&D alone...then they probably deserve to go under.This statement makes no sense at all. I said that D&D is a big enough part of my local's sales that if it were to disappear they would have trouble staying afloat because they would be cutting it too close to operating expenses. How on earth does that mean they deserve to go under? D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.
In my experience...the FLGS in my area (a local chain with 8 locations that has been in business since the early 80's or earlier...I started shopping there back in 1985 and in the 5th, or was it 6th, grade) have 1 spinner of D&D 4.0 material...in an ENTIRE STORE. The stores that do not have the spinner have a POS display from WotC. The stores that don't have that have 1 book shelf worth of 4.0 material. There is no way that D&D makes up 70% to 80% of their RPG sales off of 1 display spinner. If they were to lose that spinner there is no way that they are going to close up shop. Sales of D&D had been flat lined for a long time before 4.0 in these stores and they are still open. NOW perhaps things are different where you live, I don't know. But I am saying that in MY case...it's not at all possible.
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D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.
You mention anecdotal evidence (your FLGS) and make it here "many game shops". Your FLGS =/= Many game shops.
In fact, it's been a while since I've seen any game shop make most of its sales on RPGs. Since... the days before Magic: the Gathering, to be precise.
Usually, they are stores selling Mangas, Comics, TCGs, Board Games, Geek memorabilia, anime bigatures, trains and wargame decors, underground stuff etc etc... and happen to cover RPGs as well. Not the other way around.
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D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.You mention anecdotal evidence (your FLGS) and make it here "many game shops". Your FLGS =/= Many game shops.
In fact, it's been a while since I've seen any game shop make most of its sales on RPGs.
Usually, they are stores selling Mangas, Comics, TCGs, Geek memorabilia, anime bigatures, trains and wargame decors, etc etc... and happen to cover RPGs as well. Not the other way around.
Yup...exactly...and I'm sorry but for an FLGS NOT to branch out and sell these other items is just silly. For an FLGS business to put ALL of their money on sales of D&D is equally silly and there for probably deserve to go out of business.
wow, changing the GSL and SRD just before Gen Con, thereby preventing any compition for WoTC 4e products.
How convenient...
What? They aren't changing them before GenCon.
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D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.You mention anecdotal evidence (your FLGS) and make it here "many game shops". Your FLGS =/= Many game shops.
In fact, it's been a while since I've seen any game shop make most of its sales on RPGs. Since... the days before Magic: the Gathering, to be precise.
Usually, they are stores selling Mangas, Comics, TCGs, Board Games, Geek memorabilia, anime bigatures, trains and wargame decors, underground stuff etc etc... and happen to cover RPGs as well. Not the other way around.
I have spent significant time in local game shops in PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, OR, CA, MA, ME, NM, FL, England, Scotland, Tokyo, Vancouver, Montreal, and even San Jose Costa Rica (though that was more of an Anime shop). I know that many shops are just card shops with a few RPG products. The context of this entire discussion is the RPG industry. I know that if D&D disappeared tomorrow the GW stores would still be there as would comic and card shops that also sell games. But there are a whole lot of shops that stock more than just a few RPGs and there are more of them than you may think. If D&D were to go pop then this whole industry would be in deep trouble.
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Yup...exactly...and I'm sorry but for an FLGS NOT to branch out and sell these other items is just silly. For an FLGS business to put ALL of their money on sales of D&D is equally silly and there for probably deserve to go out of business.D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.You mention anecdotal evidence (your FLGS) and make it here "many game shops". Your FLGS =/= Many game shops.
In fact, it's been a while since I've seen any game shop make most of its sales on RPGs.
Usually, they are stores selling Mangas, Comics, TCGs, Geek memorabilia, anime bigatures, trains and wargame decors, etc etc... and happen to cover RPGs as well. Not the other way around.
the closest NotSoFLGS to my home (about 1/2 mile) doesn't even need RPG books to stay open. most of their business is in comics and collectables (memorabilia, toys, geek themed stuffies, stuff like that). i would recommend that a lot of gaming stores make diverisity the business model, so they can better weather the ebbs and flows of rpg sales. if any store has all of their eggs in the hardcopy roleplaying book end of the business, then que sera, sera...
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I have spent significant time in local game shops in PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, OR, CA, MA, ME, NM, FL, England, Scotland, Tokyo, Vancouver, Montreal, and even San Jose Costa Rica (though that was more of an Anime shop). I know that many shops are just card shops with a few RPG products. The context of this entire discussion is the RPG industry. I know that if D&D disappeared tomorrow the GW stores would still be there as would comic and card shops that also sell games. But there are a whole lot of shops that stock more than just a few RPGs and there are more of them than you may think. If D&D were to go pop then this whole industry would be in deep trouble.D&D makes up 70 to 80% of all RPG sales. If it disappeared then many game shops would be in trouble.You mention anecdotal evidence (your FLGS) and make it here "many game shops". Your FLGS =/= Many game shops.
In fact, it's been a while since I've seen any game shop make most of its sales on RPGs. Since... the days before Magic: the Gathering, to be precise.
Usually, they are stores selling Mangas, Comics, TCGs, Board Games, Geek memorabilia, anime bigatures, trains and wargame decors, underground stuff etc etc... and happen to cover RPGs as well. Not the other way around.
Actually the discussion was about how FLGS stores RPG sales are made up of 70% to 80% D&D sales...not the "Industry" as a whole. I'm not saying that ALL FLGS will go out of business. I don't doubt that some will. If those that go out of business are the ones that try to pay the bills with D&D sales then they probably had it coming.
Now if you want to talk about the industry as a whole. I personally don't feel that it would go collapse given a D&D failure. I think that publisher like Paizo, Mongoose, Green Ronin, Necro, Palladium, SGG, White Wolf etc. would do nothing but benefit from the situation. Now I list these publishers in particular because the FLGS stores I frequent seem to stock the majority of the shelves with games from these publishers (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). Personally I would like to see Palladium and Gurps get some new love too.
I have spent significant time in local game shops in PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, OR, CA, MA, ME, NM, FL, England, Scotland, Tokyo, Vancouver, Montreal, and even San Jose Costa Rica (though that was more of an Anime shop). I know that many shops are just card shops with a few RPG products. The context of this entire discussion is the RPG industry. I know that if D&D disappeared tomorrow the GW stores would still be there as would comic and card shops that also sell games. But there are a whole lot of shops that stock more than just a few RPGs and there are more of them than you may think. If D&D were to go pop then this whole industry would be in deep trouble.
Which I guess is the disconnect for many of us. To me that industry with FLGS has been dead for a while.
I absolutely didn't mean it as a "go away" post. I am simply curious as to why someone with no like of Paizo would come on their boards? He displayed a dislike for the setting and game of Pathfinder so he probably doesn't want any conversions. Some people are looking for Paizo to join in and produce some good 3pp or convert existing stuff to 4E, so I understand that. I just don't understand why someone would even look at Paizo's site if they totally disliked Paizo products. I was hoping he would post back and explain that he used to like such and such, or he liked the way the board was run, or he ordered other companies' products through Paizo, or he feels like smearing their name, or whatever, just something that I can understand.I tried very hard to make sure that my previous post wasn't misconstrued as an attack, but it was taken that way anyhow. I know the 3 vs 4 thing was bad but I really wasn't trying to stir that up again.
Sorry if anyone took my post wrong.
I dislike the setting and I dislike the new ruleset, but I love the adventures (Many of my friends have claimed to have the same like/dislike). I'm assuming Paizo will eventually dip their feet into the 4e pool and begin creating something for the game. And, also, I much enjoy reading posts on the Paizo boards, and on a few occasions, I chime in.
...If D&D were to go pop then this whole industry would be in deep trouble.
Agreed. But no matter how self-evident something is, you will never suffer from a lack of people willing to argue the point. And speaking of points, I hope to never see this one proven.
Which I guess is the disconnect for many of us. To me that industry with FLGS has been dead for a while.
I have spent significant time in local game shops in PA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, VA, NC, OR, CA, MA, ME, NM, FL, England, Scotland, Tokyo, Vancouver, Montreal, and even San Jose Costa Rica (though that was more of an Anime shop). I know that many shops are just card shops with a few RPG products. The context of this entire discussion is the RPG industry. I know that if D&D disappeared tomorrow the GW stores would still be there as would comic and card shops that also sell games. But there are a whole lot of shops that stock more than just a few RPGs and there are more of them than you may think. If D&D were to go pop then this whole industry would be in deep trouble.
Same here. I can't remember the last time myself or one of my friends purchased a role-playing supplement from a FLGS. D&D is now stocked reliably at large book retailers like Barnes & Noble (I even saw a Pathfinder product last time I was there!), which are everywhere. And Amazon's prices are very difficult to beat, especially if you don't mind waiting a couple days (and if you pre-order, you don't even have to suffer through that!). The FLGS made sense in an era where role-playing games were "underground" and online shopping didn't exist, but nowadays there is almost no reason to have to resort to such places. RPGs - even tabletop ones - are cutting into mainstream culture once again.
I dislike the setting and I dislike the new ruleset, but I love the adventures (Many of my friends have claimed to have the same like/dislike). I'm assuming Paizo will eventually dip their feet into the 4e pool and begin creating something for the game. And, also, I much enjoy reading posts on the Paizo boards, and on a few occasions, I chime in.
I absolutely didn't mean it as a "go away" post. I am simply curious as to why someone with no like of Paizo would come on their boards? He displayed a dislike for the setting and game of Pathfinder so he probably doesn't want any conversions. Some people are looking for Paizo to join in and produce some good 3pp or convert existing stuff to 4E, so I understand that. I just don't understand why someone would even look at Paizo's site if they totally disliked Paizo products. I was hoping he would post back and explain that he used to like such and such, or he liked the way the board was run, or he ordered other companies' products through Paizo, or he feels like smearing their name, or whatever, just something that I can understand.I tried very hard to make sure that my previous post wasn't misconstrued as an attack, but it was taken that way anyhow. I know the 3 vs 4 thing was bad but I really wasn't trying to stir that up again.
Sorry if anyone took my post wrong.
I'm in much the same boat. A little from column A, a little from column B.
I would say that if D&D crumbled that would probably mean the rest of the RPG market would be in bad shape. Is it because D&D crumbled? Probably not, but whatever reason D&D crumbled would probably be effecting these other companies as well.
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Same here. I can't remember the last time myself or one of my friends purchased a role-playing supplement from a FLGS. D&D is now stocked reliably at large book retailers like Barnes & Noble (I even saw a Pathfinder product last time I was there!), which are everywhere. And Amazon's prices are very difficult to beat, especially if you don't mind waiting a couple days (and if you pre-order, you don't even have to suffer through that!). The FLGS made sense in an era where role-playing games were "underground" and online shopping didn't exist, but nowadays there is almost no reason to have to resort to such places. RPGs - even tabletop ones - are cutting into mainstream culture once again.
I do not disagree. I would love to see a diversified and vibrant industry where the general public can name any other games when asked to name RPGs other than D&D. If the game industry were more like the airline industry then losing D&D would not be such a big deal - but they are the prime mover of this hobby. Like it or not the fortunes of this hobby are tied to WotC and it will take some time before that changes, if it ever does.
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I dislike the setting and I dislike the new ruleset, but I love the adventures (Many of my friends have claimed to have the same like/dislike). I'm assuming Paizo will eventually dip their feet into the 4e pool and begin creating something for the game. And, also, I much enjoy reading posts on the Paizo boards, and on a few occasions, I chime in.
Cool! I am glad to see that you do enjoy some of Paizo's stuff. I hope that one day Paizo can help you out with some 4E stuff. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
I realize there was a bit of snark in your reply, Pres, but I am trying to overlook it and not return with snark because my original question was not meant to be rude even though everyone seems to be beating on me pretty good for it.
I mean no offense by this, but there is no need to play the martyr. You made a post that people have seen as rude and got flak for it.
There is no need to continue on that topic , so lets carry one with the new GSL discussion.
wow, changing the GSL and SRD just before Gen Con, thereby preventing any compition for WoTC 4e products.
How convenient...
Man what?
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I will note that speculation about the timing of this vis a vis GenCon is probably pretty off the mark. I'm not one to deny ulterior motives where money is involved, but consider that they have merely announced they intend to/are willing to revise it, not what those revisions would be. Furthermore, they've done so less than a week prior to GenCon, which means... well, nothing really. It's not going to change the attitude of any of the 3rd Party Publishers (those who haven't already signed on are almost certainly going to wait-and-see what the changes entail). Even if they do announce the changes in time, it won't really make any new third-parties announce new source material other than stuff that wasn't already in consideration, and just held up by GSL issues.
Maybe it was just an attempt to grab attention? Possibly, though I still think peoples' focus will be more on new RPG products.
What is this fearmongering talk of WotC going on the trash-heap? ;D
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Hey Fabes,
Thanks, yeah this is up my alley. Living in my gaming bubble for years, ...I just thought everyone did this, but I guess not. Thanks for the book reference, on magical medieval economics - was it you that was interested in the books on this by Cross or Gygax? Also, I realized a lot of what I do economically and politically, I learned using the 1st edition DMG.
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What's all this fearmongering talk about FLGS going out of business? Wotc can be replaced. Based on their poor customer care, and twisted maneuverings, they've earned their right to be in the trash-heap.
Heheh, Pax. You and me think alike. However, I like the Star Wars and Axis and Allies Minis as well as the Star Wars RPG. I also am big on their new Anniversary Axis & Allies Edition board game coming out. So, I would be happy if D&D tanked, but then, where would Star Wars RPG be? I would also say that the Miniature crowd would take a hit because no one would be buying Minis for roleplaying...and there ya go, a downward spiral that plumets the beast to earth. All the lovelies and uglies down the tubes together. WotC is diversified enough to survive, and I think they have the common sense to realize that D&D legitimizes their authority to sell cross products as well as maintain an RPG team to research new game designs (such as Star Wars). Without Dungeons and Dragons, their legitimacy in several cross products crumbles as well as the inability to create engaging RPG to sell plastic miniatures. Though I must admit, Axis & Allies Miniatures are not RPG driven, but I can wager that they are their least selling miniature line.
To keep this on base though, the GSL is a threat to their miniature sales in some remote way. With droves not buying into 4th Edition purely on 3pp, I cannot doubt for a second that those same people that had bought D&D miniatures from WotC have given up on those too. Who wants Dragonborn miniatures when you don't play 4th Edition and don't even know what a Dragonborn is, or how its stats relate to 3rd Edition?
I hate to put a negative spin on this, but haven't we heard this before in software. We released the game but it is buggy. We have a patch coming but you have to be patient because blah blah blah. Nice to hear that at Gen Con.
Cheers,
Zuxius
My FLGS is selling a lot of 3pp d20 stuff. But for $1-$10.
They can't meet their margin with those prices. They are loosing money on every sale. Its still worth it to make something - anything - if you think that otherwise you won't sell the product at all but this is not a good sign - quite the reverse really.
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Yeah but it happens in a lot of industries. Clothing stores do it every season and they seem to be doing ok.
I don't know specifically in the gaming industry, but your average inventory carrying cost is around 35% of the value per year or something. Better to just sell the stuff off if they think it won't sell soon.
I have no local hobby store, just a Walden Books in the mall. The ONLY thing they sell RPG-wise is WotC. No White Wolf, no Pathfinder, NOTHING.
Wizards of the Coast sells its products to bookstores through a distribution deal with Random House. So far as I know no other RPG company has any kind of a distribution deal with any publisher at all. Generally all other RPG products are sold through the hobby distribution network which exists to supply game stores.
Chances are your Walden Books simply is not aware that there are any other RPGs out there - and why would they be aware? No other RPGs appear in any publishing catalogue, no sales representative for a publisher points out the product out etc. From the book stores perspective they don't carry other RPGs for the same reason they don't carry industrial grade Jack Hammers - those products are not part of their industry.
Now should an employee or manager already know about RPGs its not that hard to set up an account but first you'd have to find out who the local distributor was. When I was trying to figure that out I actually went to WotC and simply asked who their Canadian distributors were and they sent me a list.
Yeah but it happens in a lot of industries. Clothing stores do it every season and they seem to be doing ok.
I don't know specifically in the gaming industry, but your average inventory carrying cost is around 35% of the value per year or something. Better to just sell the stuff off if they think it won't sell soon.
Clothing stores take for granted that half their inventory will probably be liquidated for little or no profit. Part of their business model assumes this and they try and keep themselves overstocked because one always needs to have what the customer wants.
I do not believe any hobby store can really afford to do this. I mean one can take this option as the best of a bunch of bad options but this is the kind of thing were the owner flinches every time he makes a sale.
The few Chapters/Indigo branches I have been in recently I noticed something weird - all that was on the shelf was Monster Manuals. Did they just overstock on this? Do people not realize you need it? With monsters being unique in 4th Ed, I've heard you pretty much need the PHB and MM to run a game. Why are these getting left on the shelf?It's also safe to assume that it was roughly as high on Barnes & Noble's list.
I'm not completely sure about this. The B&Ns in my area consistently have a full 4e shelf. So either they're refilling the shelf frequently or they're not selling it very well. This is just speculation, but I think Amazon's prices may have hurt sales of 4e elsewhere; in other words, I think Amazon sold 4e so well because almost everyone who bought it did so there. Again, just a guess.
I'm going to guess its because players don't need a MM. Everyone needs the PHB and most players probably consider the DMG just about required material as well, I mean you do want to know how traps work don't you - might save your characters life! The Monster Manual though is not required reading, in fact a lot of players would consider reading it 'cheating' in a way that they sure would not consider it cheater to read up on trap mechanics or DMing advice.
I have very little confidence that WotC plans to substantively revise the GSL. I think they're just trying to avoid lots of in-person criticism at Gen Con. They did the same thing with GAMA, issued a "no really we're working on it" right before and waited till after to say what they were really planning. At a bare minimum that's crappy planning - ideally you want to release happy new initiatives *at* conventions - and at its worst it's a dodge.
So at Gen Con, where they have to face all the 3p companies - "Oh hey guys, haven't you heard, we understand your concerns and we're working on it! The site says so. How about you sign on now to support 4e!" Then a week later, they'll proudly announce they fixed a typo.
Everything is for sale, especially by corporations. Remember they answer to investors - theoretically, how does Hasbro explain sitting on a dead product line when they could be taking a large sum of money instead?Oh, I'm sure they'd let it go for somewhere in the low nine figures ($100-200 million). That amount of cash would matter on the Hasbro bottom line.I wonder how much it would cost to buy the IP and brand name of D&D?I'm sure that Hasbro would probably not let that one go. For any price.
So far as I can tell Corps love nothing more then to sit on valuable IP.
Dungeons & Dragons as a brand name is worth a ton of money in the computer market in any case. I'm sure that Hasbro would not let that kind of potential revenue go for cheap.