Can I be a real bore and raise this question again? Sorry :-)
I had hoped it would be addressed in Alpha 3, but there is no mention of it, so I'm bringing it up again.
What happens to those spells that were previously only available to clerics through their domains? Have they been folded into the general cleric list? Are they no longer available to clerics at all? Have they been removed from the game?
It's easy enough to houserule this one way or the other, but can we have clarification from the designers on this please?
Many thanks.
I guess that will be answered conclusively in the beta, but until then, make them general cleric spells I'd say.
Hmm, if that's true, that would be a major blow to any groups using the Spontaneous Divine Caster rules: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/spontaneousDivineCasters.htm
Of course, the PF core rules can't be planned around every option out there but I will miss the reduction of spell versatility — particularly for the few spontaneous-casting clerics my group has.
What happens to those spells that were previously only available to clerics through their domains? Have they been folded into the general cleric list? Are they no longer available to clerics at all? Have they been removed from the game?I guess that will be answered conclusively in the beta, but until then, make them general cleric spells I'd say.
I would not suggest this, given the number of highly specific spells that clerics do not generally get that are on the varied lists. Let every cleric cast Burning Hands, Fire Shield, Stoneskin, Prismatic Sphere and Wish?
I think by rules, they have been removed. Domains have been replaced, language specifically stating such a thing would be confusing to a new reader (it could go in a sidebar however). The 14 new powers (7 from each domain) certainly make up for the lack.
Someone else pointed out the only core spells that are not on *any* class list are the Holy Smite/Order's Wrath type ones, which are still spell-like abilities for the Alignment domains.
If it's truly an issue for a particular conversion (of say a non-core spell that was added as domain only), I think adding the domain spells to *that* cleric's spell list would be reasonable in most cases.
Hmm, if that's true, that would be a major blow to any groups using the Spontaneous Divine Caster rules: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/spontaneousDivineCasters.htm
That variant won't work, anyway. The domain spell lists will no longer exist, so without the old 3.5e rules, you won't know what he'd cast spontaneously.
I say that if you want the old rule, you'll have to go with the old domain, anyway.
I would not suggest this, given the number of highly specific spells that clerics do not generally get that are on the varied lists. Let every cleric cast Burning Hands, Fire Shield, Stoneskin, Prismatic Sphere and Wish?
Yeah, I didn't make my self nearly clear enough. I was kinda talking about those spells that exist only on domain lists, like holy smite.
But since I think they're on the new domain lists as well (Good domain 12th level: Holy smite 3/day), I think it will be alright.
So I'd say let the old domains just disappear, being replaced by the new ones. If any spells aren't used any more (and no domain ability closesly resembles them), just put them on the cleric list (I doubt that there will be (m)any).
Flavor-wise, I still think it's way cool to have a few spells that only clerics of a particular domain can cast. I plan on houseruling that spells on the old (3.5e) domain lists are available to clerics with access to that domain only -- they aren't bonus spells anymore, but can be prepared normally in place of spells from the generic cleric list.
Maybe a "domain" component could be added to the V, S, M, and DF components; that way the spells could still appear in normal lists somewhere, and not have to be shunted aside into obscure supplements?
Well, there are plenty
What I mean is spells that appear only on domain lists. Not spells that clerics can only get via domains, but spells that no one except clerics of that domain can get. Right now, I can think of only 4 (Holy Smite and the versions for Chaos, Evil, Law).
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One point I was noticing with the cleric is that several of the spell-like abilities in each domain (2-6) actually duplicate the old domain spells as spell-like (or supernatural, in a few cases) abilites from both PH and non PH domains. Both styles of cleric are excellent classes (in my view anyway)(TETO)
Domain spells in particular have the 1st, 4th, 6th, 7th, and 9th level spells as spell-likes, but most domains have at least four, very few are only 2 or 3, so there are some ways to sneak spells in.