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Folks, I really hate to post asking others not to post, but is there any chance we can just let this thread die? There are people who get off on being martyred, and continuing this thread (along with responding to the various cultists it draws) is just encouraging those people to come back. This isn't a thread that needs levity, it just needs to go away. Quit giving the cult the inter-community feuding it feasts on. You're not going to change minds, you're not going to be proven right, you're just going to continue extending a pointless ego trip and superiority complex.
Please, just let it drop.

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Folks, I really hate to post asking others not to post, but is there any chance we can just let this thread die? There are people who get off on being martyred, and continuing this thread (along with responding to the various cultists it draws) is just encouraging those people to come back. This isn't a thread that needs levity, it just needs to go away. Quit giving the cult the inter-community feuding it feasts on. You're not going to change minds, you're not going to be proven right, you're just going to continue extending a pointless ego trip and superiority complex.
Please, just let it drop.
Seconded!
For any contributions to the PFRPG Discussions there are other forum threads that apply - as far as website feedback goes this is a really really dead horse.
The Jade |

The Jade wrote:This is a time for coming clean. The Jade is actually an alias. I'm really Kate Beckinsale (yes, the actress) and I've been hanging here on Paizo for the last few years while my marriage became an emotional wasteland so I could be appreciated for my mind and not this stupid body of mine. You people have really come to matter to me... and I feel like I should start making appointments to give myself to each of you, seperately and in person. I'm know that's quite forward, but you Paizo folk are just so undeniably brilliant and funny... it's so sexy!Kate! I ... no, wait. I was stung last time someone claimed to be Kate Beckinsale on these forums. And I don't believe that brilliant, British Kate would use grammar such as "I'm know."
I want to believe ... but I can't.
It was just a typo, love. Last night, while writing, I was sipping at a friend's homemade ale and hoping you'd be online, reading my words. I was thinking only of you, my fingers wistfully circling the lip of my bottle. I'm afraid that my longing curiosity over you, and the alcohol, impaired my editing skills.
Must dash, I've an appointment for a designer panties fitting.

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It's very easy to understand the pain of Emos, if you're the one who dishes it out to them...
TAKE THAT!
AND THAT!
WAKE UP!
GET WASHED!
I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!
BEEN RAIDING YOUR MOTHER'S MAKE-UP BOX, HAVE YOU, YOU USELESS ANDROGYNOUS STREAKS OF PISS?
I'LL GIVE YOU 'THE FUTILITY OF EXISTENCE', YOU PAN-STICKED CLOWN!
THIS'LL CURE YOUR 'ENNUI', YOU PANDA-FACED SLACK-JAWED WASTE OF SKIN!
'OOOH, NO-ONE UNDERSTANDS ME!' BOO-HOO! TRY OPENING YOUR MOUTH WHEN YOU SPEAK, YOU MUMBLING CRETIN!
GRRRR!!!!
<puff...pant>
It's OK, now Tarren, you can come out now!

The Jade |

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There are people who get off on being martyred, and continuing this thread (along with responding to the various cultists it draws) is just encouraging those people to come back. Quit giving the cult the inter-community feuding it feasts on.
Maybe a peace offering would help?
Who wants to send the cultists a nice keg of Kool-Aid?
Maybe if they all take a nice nap, they'll wake up all cheerful?
:)

The Jade |

The Jade wrote:You were great in porridge. (No, I didn't miss off the capital P.)Mothman wrote:The Jade wrote:This is a time for coming clean. The Jade is actually an alias. I'm really Kate Beckinsale (yes, the actress) and I've been hanging here on Paizo for the last few years while my marriage became an emotional wasteland so I could be appreciated for my mind and not this stupid body of mine. You people have really come to matter to me... and I feel like I should start making appointments to give myself to each of you, seperately and in person. I'm know that's quite forward, but you Paizo folk are just so undeniably brilliant and funny... it's so sexy!Kate! I ... no, wait. I was stung last time someone claimed to be Kate Beckinsale on these forums. And I don't believe that brilliant, British Kate would use grammar such as "I'm know."
I want to believe ... but I can't.
It was just a typo, love. Last night, while writing, I was sipping at a friend's homemade ale and hoping you'd be online, reading my words. I was thinking only of you, my fingers wistfully circling the lip of my bottle. I'm afraid that my longing curiosity over you, and the alcohol, impaired my editing skills.
Must dash, I've an appointment for a designer panties fitting.
Brilliant! That was my da.

The Jade |

Sebastian wrote:There are people who get off on being martyred, and continuing this thread (along with responding to the various cultists it draws) is just encouraging those people to come back. Quit giving the cult the inter-community feuding it feasts on.Maybe a peace offering would help?
Who wants to send the cultists a nice keg of Kool-Aid?
Maybe if they all take a nice nap, they'll wake up all cheerful?
:)
I think what you fail to understand, Snorter, is that Pathfinder doesn't have a chance at market if the game fails to apply the difference of two squares formula.
For example, the following problem leads to an outrageous polynomial unless you use this formula:
A geometric series has first term p, and eight times the sum of the first six terms is equal to nine times the sum of the first three terms. Find the common ratio of the series.
Fermat used it to factorise large numbers (at a time when calculators, computers and Rainman were yet to exist) into the product of two numbers roughly equal in size. For example to factorize the number 119143 try the smallest number x so that x2 - 119143 is positive and keep increasing x by 1 until x2 - 119143 is a perfect square, y2 say. Then x2 - 119143 = y2 and so it follows that 119143 = x2 - y2 = (x - y)(x + y) thus factorising 119143 (and what do you get?). This method is known, not surprisingly, as Fermat's method of factoring.
Find 352 - 342 easily. The formula tells you it's 69 in an instant.
You can find squares easily. To find 562 take the two numbers 6 less and 6 more than 56 and multiply them together as 50 × 62 = 3100 (you do know how to multiply by 50 easily don't you?), then add 62 to get 3136 which is 562.
I only hope you can now see the error of your foolish ways. We could argue, but how could you possibly reason with me when I've bombastically overstated my point with dull jargon, seemingly forgetting that a true expert can simplify and explain most advanced theories to laymen because of their deep comprehension for the subject matter?
Using jargon to establish dominance in a discussion is, to those of us who've been on Earth for more than five days, pitiable. Don't get me wrong, doctors and lawyers have their own language, and if a doctor or lawyer says something to you, you often have to take it to another person in their profession to understand it for you. Thus mystification sometimes equals 'good for business'. But I've had long party conversations with world famous scientists, mathmeticians and physicians and they each took the time to break it all down for me. When I'm explaining things to people I do my best to avoid spouting Enzyme-Linked ImmunoSorbent Assay related metaphors. Trying to establish your place in the pack by intoning molecular densities in a conversation about which consistency nut butter to buy is no different than those certain musclemen who remind their friends that they could beat them up by engaging in impromptu wrestling matches when said friends aren't showing them enough attention. They're both obvious overkill born of insecurity. Insecurity is natural and forgivable and makes for great fuel of character. I just don't want other people's insecurity flopping across the bridge of my nose while I'm sleeping.
Oh, and the first person to correct my math gets their keg of Kool-Aid KGBed.

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Using jargon to establish dominance in a discussion is, to those of us who've been on Earth for more than five days, pitiable...[It] is no different than those certain musclemen who remind their friends that they could beat them up by engaging in impromptu wrestling matches when said friends aren't showing them enough attention.
Aah, so you have met my previous DM, Gaz, then?
They're both obvious overkill born of insecurity. Insecurity is natural and forgivable and makes for great fuel of character.
Yep; I think you have met him.
I just don't want other people's insecurity flopping across the bridge of my nose while I'm sleeping.
Now that's just...ewww.

Kruelaid |

Virgil wrote:I have seen similar behavior that has both locked threads and put people in time-outs all over this thread, and am rather off-put by its seemingly condoned continuation. I vote for this thread to be locked, at the very least.I can't tell if this is intended to be ironic.
He didn't use the irony key ~~
So I guess it's real.

Michael F |

I know everyone's hoping this thread will die, but I just have to toss in my two coppers about the original topic after having slogged through more than 350 posts.
Anyway, I'm not shocked or dismayed that Frank got a time-out, and I think he deserved it, because his attitude seemed to go "over the line" more often than most. I disagreed with him in a few threads but I don't remember getting much flame because he already had a target by the time I posted. Every time I saw one of his flame posts, I thought to myself that he really lives up to his name of "Trollman".
He had some reasonable points, but overall I think his analysis of the rules is too quantitative. D&D is a socially interactive leisure activity, and I don't think you should lose sight of that when analyzing the rules. No amount of rules fixes are going are going to save a game of D&D if the individuals involved can't cooperate.
I don't understand the attitude of posters who make excuses for Frank's attitude by saying that it's okay to be despicable in the pursuit of a superior product, and that everyone should just man up and accept the abuse. I can only assume that these people don't need to work for a living. In the real world, brilliance will only take you so far if you make everyone around you miserable. I know of many competent, intelligent people who were fired because of their attitude or personality. And when I'm out in the real world economy dealing with people, earning and spending my wages, I don't care how good you are at your job, there's no excuse for being a jerk to everyone around you all the time.

Charles Evans 25 |
No, I'm not trying to be funny. Passive-aggressive flaming is just as bad as regular flaming, yet it seems that the moderators have let it slide both before and in this thread.
As far as posting on this thread in this particular context goes, you might get more respect from some of the regulars if you were trying to be funny. To the chaotic fun loving nature of some of the posters, if you're trying to make a serious point, they will expect more than just a couple of lines, vaguely outlining a position, but not going into any detail about it.
Likewise, posting on a thread 'COME AND MODERATE US' or words to that effect is uncertain to get a response from the busy Paizo staff. If you have a private problem with the way that the boards are being run or you feel that some of the posters are treating you (he's not going to thank me for this) may I suggest that you check the contact details of Joshua J. Frost (which includes his email address, elsewhere on these boards) and EMAIL him.
I suspect that your continuing posts on this thread are helping some posters to elevate Mr. Trollman into a Paizo folk legend, as a figure of fun. (For example the 'Kool aid man' alias which one poster has now adopted.)

Trey |

I suspect that your continuing posts on this thread are helping some posters to elevate Mr. Trollman into a Paizo folk legend, as a figure of fun. (For example the 'Kool aid man' alias which one poster has now adopted.)
Nah, I was just looking for a colorful avatar that somehow would work with Kool Aid Man, which is hard, because almost all of Paizo's are of someone yelling, which doesn't really say Kool Aid. Then I remembered that this one is colorful, and would somehow fit the theme of the thread... so what the hey.
I really haven't interacted with Frank at all, and wish him well, wherever he is. I guess Sebastian's right, I'll hang it up on this thread.
For future reference though, if I do use Kool Aid Man, he should be understood to just be Kool Aid Man. Cause anyone who can bash through brick walls, I want to party with that guy.

Mammon, Hasbro V.P. Assets Div. |

The one with the little goatee, duh!
I hate to break it to you, but I'm the villain of this story!
::runs and hides before he gets zapped along with Vomit Guy::
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Pathos |

I hate to break it to you, but I'm the villain of this story!
::runs and hides before he gets zapped along with Vomit Guy::
Runs and tackles Mammon, pinning him to the ground
HURRY... Someone needs to get the tar boiling... and you, over there... start plucking the foul... we need feathers over here...
Starts banging Mammon's head on the ground, screaming in his face
Damn you man.. what did you do to my beloved D&D!?!?!?
starts foaming at the mouth