Sajan is awesome, but what's a Nayak?


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I assume it's the kopesh/sickle/kukri looking thing in his hand. What does it do?


Ross Byers wrote:
I assume it's the kopesh/sickle/kukri looking thing in his hand. What does it do?

This link was the best I could find. Apparently, it is a title of nobility used in India, particularly southern India.

If it refers to a weapon, I couldn't find a real-world equivalent.

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Yup; his weird sickle-sword is a nayak. It's basically got the same stats as a kama... at least, until we find somewhere good to stat it up as a new weapon!

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Ross Byers wrote:
What does it do?

It slices the s@$$ out of bad guys and uppity monsters who piss off Sajan. That's what it does.

;)

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James Jacobs wrote:
at least, until we find somewhere good to stat it up as a new weapon!

Don't suppose it would be too late to slip it into the Gazetteer under Vudra?

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Ross Byers wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
at least, until we find somewhere good to stat it up as a new weapon!
Don't suppose it would be too late to slip it into the Gazetteer under Vudra?

It is.

There's no new weapons anyway in the Gazetteer, so it'd look weird.

And really... it's not THAT much different than a kama. It's basically a 1d6 damage causing exotic slasher that can be used with a monk's stunts.

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James Jacobs wrote:
And really... it's not THAT much different than a kama. It's basically a 1d6 damage causing exotic slasher that can be used with a monk's stunts.

It's always bugged me that the "exotic" monk weapons are just farm implements. Even if you use the same stats, replacing the kama (literally, a sickle [aka a simple weapon]), with something actually exotic in look and use gets the thumbs up from me.

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Hehe.. should this be in the Second Darkness forum? :)

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He's on a CotCT cover.

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Yeah but he's a Second Darkness Iconic... oh well.. works anywhere. :)

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SirUrza wrote:
Yeah but he's a Second Darkness Iconic... oh well.. works anywhere. :)

Actually... he's a PATHFINDER iconic. He won't get statted up until Second Darkness, but you can expect to see him popping up in the art here and there at times from now on.

Sczarni

David Schwartz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
And really... it's not THAT much different than a kama. It's basically a 1d6 damage causing exotic slasher that can be used with a monk's stunts.
It's always bugged me that the "exotic" monk weapons are just farm implements. Even if you use the same stats, replacing the kama (literally, a sickle [aka a simple weapon]), with something actually exotic in look and use gets the thumbs up from me.

If you look at martial arts weapons 95% of them were originally farming tools used to defend against criminals. 'chucks, staff, kama, tonfa... all of them started as farm tools. The only ones I'm not sure of are the Sai (I don't remember their original use) and the sword was not created as a tool. So the fact that the exotic monk weapons are basically farm weapons is historically true (in most cases)


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If you want to get into the historical aspects of martial arts weapons, many of them are based on common tools/farming implements/household objects because owning obvious weapons was highly illegal for most people in eastern societies much of the time. The punishment was usually death.

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:
So the fact that the exotic monk weapons are basically farm weapons is historically true (in most cases)

Let me rephrase: I'm not annoyed that monk weapons are farm tools; I'm annoyed that farm tools are considered exotic. Especially, when the exact same tools - but with European names - are rightly classified as simple or martial.

As long as "monk weapons" are going to be exotic, I say make them exotic. The nayak is a step in the right direction.

Sczarni

David Schwartz wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
So the fact that the exotic monk weapons are basically farm weapons is historically true (in most cases)

Let me rephrase: I'm not annoyed that monk weapons are farm tools; I'm annoyed that farm tools are considered exotic. Especially, when the exact same tools - but with European names - are rightly classified as simple or martial.

As long as "monk weapons" are going to be exotic, I say make them exotic. The nayak is a step in the right direction.

ok that makes more sense... although in this case i see the training in them to be what is exotic and not the weapon itself. Even with training in chucks - they arn't my favorite weapon, and knowing how many times newbies hit themselves in the head when starting out, if i had real chucks during a combat situation the best thing would be to hand them to my opponant and say 'here - hit me with these' and laugh when they knock themselves out (or at least distract themselves long enough for me to knock them out) thats y anyone in my home games trying to weild an exotic weapon untrained is considered flatfooted the round after attacking with it. ( a house rule that stuck since about 4 campaigns ago when we had 6 black belts playing at once).

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