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I'm at work and sadly I don't have time to get into all the reason I disagree with OMD, so instead I'm just going to copy/paste a (slightly edited) post I made on the subject when it first happened:
I have to argue that OMD was bad on both a character level and a writer level. Both for the same reason. Within four issues Joe Q's pride has destroyed Peter's viability as a likable character.
We all know Spidey's mantra, the lesson that he learned at a terrible cost. With great power must come great responsibility. They tried to bait and switch the reader, to make us believe that Peter felt responsible for May getting shot. But he wasn't, not completely at least. Look at the flow of events. May was shot because Kingpin knew Pete was Spider-Man. He knew that because Peter gave up his secret ID during Civil War. But why did he? Because he thought he was on the right side. A view point that was encouraged and supported MJ and May. They all thought it was the right thing to do, they all share responsibility for their actions. Peter's deal with the devil wasn't about taking responsibility it was about avoiding it. Everyone loses loved one eventually- to age, to disease and sometimes to snipers. When that happens it becomes the responsibility of those left behind to live their lives in a way that would make the departed proud. Peter's decision goes past a terrible, or stupid choice. It was a selfish, childish, irresponsible decision. One that goes against everything the character was. It's ludicrous and insulting to be asked to believe that he would do that. Every story that is told post OMD is tainted because Peter's become a representable person. Congratulations, Quesada was able to get rid of the marriage, all it cost him was destruction of Peter's viability as a character.
In case it wasn't clear. I'm not a huge fan of OMD.
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That's a change I'm willing to go along with as long as the stories that come out of it are good. And they are good. So it's all good.
Really? You believe the stories are good? Seriously? Wow. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but to me, they're all shear nonsense. Impossible to read.
I dropped Amazing Spider-man from my pull list shortly after OMD because the stories seemed juvenile and silly. This attempt at making Spider-man what he used to be by using a "deal with the devil" plot device while having Peter go completely against his belief in responsibility fell flat to me.
But the plot device isn't the only flaw. Look at Spidey's dialogue. The banter seems forced. The quips seem over-thought out. And the supporting cast is completely one-dimensional. Don't get me wrong, I like what Dan Slott did for the She-Hulk, but that style of humor is not the same style used by Stan Lee and John Romita during Spidey's glory days. It falls flat. And unfortunately, other writers on the title seem to mirror Slott's writing style, making for a bad read and a slap in the face for long-time readers.
And it's not just the banter/dialogue. The plotting of the stories seems rushed and not well-thought out - which may be fine if you are targeting the title to a younger audience (pre-teens/teenagers), but not for the flagship title of Marvel Comics. I expect a little more direction in plot and character development, not just a bunch of quick hit stories to get readers to buy into the new storyline.
Spider-man and his supporting cast have very well-developed personalities and relationships with one another that have developed over decades. Reading the title now, they all seem like they've lost their depth. Reading Amazing Spider-man now is akin to reading an Archie comic, where all characters are one-dimensional and never develop, existing only to get from one gag to another. This is fine for Archie and his pals, but it's not the right approach for a "serious" comic book character like Spider-man.
I'm really hoping the new storyline with MJ is the beginning of cleaning up this mess and I hope better writers that are more in touch with the Spider-man/Peter Parker character are assigned to the title going forward, because it pains me to see a character I have been following for over 40 years turned into such a joke.
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Well, I was hoping that Secret Invasion would be how they brought Captain America back, instead of the stupid he got shot with a gun that causes him to time travel nonsense that they came up with. Secret Invasion couldhave been the ultimate reset for a lot of things, but unfortuantely the guys writing the tory didn't catch on to that.
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Well, I was hoping that Secret Invasion would be how they brought Captain America back, instead of the stupid he got shot with a gun that causes him to time travel nonsense that they came up with. Secret Invasion couldhave been the ultimate reset for a lot of things, but unfortuantely the guys writing the tory didn't catch on to that.
And don't get me started on the mind-frak that the entire Mockingbird bit was for us (few?) Hawkeye/Mockingbird fans. I still ignore that part; Bobbi was resurrected in House of M by Wanda, and like Hawkeye (and Illyana, and who knows who else), snuck through, but she was captured by skrulls.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
I'll confess, I was hoping Secret Invasion would result in OMD being some kind of cruel VR program being used by the skrulls to torment Spidey while 'Spider skrull' was running around.
Bah, that would be as silly as some powerful alien force making someone hallucinate about being followed around by some kind of "mite" and thinking his mother was in an orgy with his butler and that his father was still alive . . .
No one would ever do something that out there.
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When Hela refused to allow anyone to die, that was anyone, not solely people who worshipped her. (Heck, not even animals were dying.) She's the goddess of death, which the Norse recognized. Whether Hel is the same plane as Hades, and what happens to souls that fall to Mephisto... unresolved.(Indeed, a 'Hela versus Mephisto' storyline might be passing strange.)
And I was right.
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I still can't think about One More Day without nerdraging inside.
Same here. My FLCS held a "half off selected trade paperbacks" and I picked up the Marvel Team-up series from a few years ago. And I was surprised and comforted that Peter was married and conventionally employed. (Inded, one of the other teachers at his school was trying to seduce him.)
It would appear that a recent sequence tried to fill in the gaps and give us the Peter / Mary Jane relationship from this side of the reality shift. As I'm still finding better things to spend my money on, I didn't pick those up. Anybody want to fill me in?
It would appear that a recent sequence tried to fill in the gaps and give us the Peter / Mary Jane relationship from this side of the reality shift. As I'm still finding better things to spend my money on, I didn't pick those up. Anybody want to fill me in?
From what I've gathered, the One Moment in Time storyline established this:
1) Peter never showed up to the wedding because he got hit in the head with a brick and then a fat guy fell on top of him.
2) The doctors accepted Aunt May magically getting better, saying it was the power of love.
3) Doc Strange, Reed Richards, and Tony Stark, despite not being able to heal a bullet wound in Aunt May, magically removed the knowledge of Peter Parker being Spider-Man from everybody throughout the world. Mary Jane remembers for some reason, but that's it.
4) Mary Jane's whispered words to Mephisto that everybody was speculating about just turned out to be something along the lines of, "Once the deal is made, you leave Peter alone forever." Which makes no sense in the context of the original story.
Basically the storyline was there to explain away fan complaints about One More Day, but only fanned the flames.
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From what I've gathered, the One Moment in Time storyline established this:
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Basically the storyline was there to explain away fan complaints about One More Day, but only fanned the flames.
So ... how did it ret-con Harry Osborne being alive? And Peter does still have his teaching position? And he does still have all the power enhancements (dark-vision, organic webs, wrist spikes) he'd developed before OMD?
So ... how did it ret-con Harry Osborne being alive? And Peter does still have his teaching position? And he does still have all the power enhancements (dark-vision, organic webs, wrist spikes) he'd developed before OMD?
I don't think any of that has been explained. The point of the "One Moment in Time" title was that the deal had Mephisto appear at one moment in Peter Parker's life and change things, ultimately destroying the marriage. As to the rest, I think the only explanation we still have is Quesada's, "It's magic; we don't have to explain it."
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One of the best argued complaints was that OMD/OMIT, in addition to wrecking years of continuity, has ruined the basic concept of Peter Parker. "With great power must come great responsibility."
Peter has (that I know of)...
Really, this isn't Peter Parker any more.
The more they try to defend it, the bigger hole they dig.
Really, why not ask Mephisto to go farther back in time to save uncle Ben while he's at it.
Part of Peter's psyche is that he's constantly trying to make up for Ben's death, Gwen's death, etc. If they wanted to 'undo the marriage' May dying and Peter driving MJ away with his grief would have been an interesting plot, and fitting with Peter's character.
If they wanted to 'undo the marriage' May dying and Peter driving MJ away with his grief would have been an interesting plot, and fitting with Peter's character.
Quesada's statement on the idea of Peter and MJ splitting naturally is that a divorced Spider-Man would be a bad example to set for kids. This is the same guy who banned smoking from Marvel.
So...
-Divorce = bad
-Smoking = bad
-Selling your marriage to Satan = acceptable
Honestly, I think the easiest way to undo the marriage and the unmasking would have been during Secret Invasion. You've got shapeshifting aliens everywhere...why not just have the superheroes go, "Oh, hey, it looks like Spider-Man was replaced by an alien who for some reason also went out of his way to ruin Peter Parker's life."
By the same token, they could have had MJ replaced by a skrull or something. That would have led to some potentially interesting stories, with Peter dealing with the fact that the woman he thought he loved was an alien spy.
Would it have been a cheap cop-out? You betcha. But it would have caused a heck of a lot less damage than the Mephisto story.
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If I did not own nearly every issue of Amazing Spider Man I would stop reading it, it is painful. I am almost conssidering getting them and not reading them any longer.
I feel your pain. I've just stopped buying X-titles (except X-Factor as it's brilliant) despite having complete runs (which means I have comics older than I am). Did the same thing with Avengers shortly after Disassembled. If you're not enjoying it, stop punishing yourself and your bank balance and cut the title. Falling sales is the only message companies understand.
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"Oh, hey, it looks like Spider-Man was replaced by an alien who for some reason also went out of his way to ruin Peter Parker's life."
By the same token, they could have had MJ replaced by a skrull or something. ...
Would it have been a cheap cop-out? You betcha. But it would have caused a heck of a lot less damage than the Mephisto story.
You know, I think Quesada wanted to undo considerably more than the marriage: Spider-Man's recent power up, the "totem" perspective for his origin, the unmasking, Peter's job as a high school teacher, May's budding romance with Jarvis, and so forth.
And on top of that, the character growth that Peter had experienced over the previous several years. He had matured, and being married was an enormous part of that.
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If I did not own nearly every issue of Amazing Spider Man I would stop reading it, it is painful. I am almost conssidering getting them and not reading them any longer.I feel your pain. I've just stopped buying X-titles (except X-Factor as it's brilliant) despite having complete runs (which means I have comics older than I am). Did the same thing with Avengers shortly after Disassembled. If you're not enjoying it, stop punishing yourself and your bank balance and cut the title. Falling sales is the only message companies understand.
X-Factor is awesome.
I'm just getting it and New Mutants (and NM Forever and X-Factor forever). Can we get a Hulk Forever with PAD?
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I'll admit that I'm no big fan of Peter being married either. But if Marvel really wanted to end the marriage, they should have just had the stones to kill MJ and not cave in to fanboy demands to bring her back within a few months.
But Marvel seems to have spent the past few years coming up with every conceivable way to ruin Spidey (at least in the 616 continuity). So I'm not surprised they did this in what is probably the worst possible way they could have.
Frankly, I wish they would kill Peter, MJ, and the vast majority of the Spider-Man supporting cast, and then throw the Ultimate Spider-Man characters into the 616 universe. Including the remnants of the X-Men that live in Aunt May's Halfway House for Homeless Heroes, and the Kitty Pryde that they're actually doing something with these days.
OT: Why the hell did they bring 616 Kitty back if they were just going to stuff her in a box and forget about her anyway. Utterly g%~&~$n pointless.
I have a straight run of Amazing from when Mcfarlane was on the book, until after the Clone storyline. I also have similar length runs of Spectacular, Web of, etc.
Personally its the crossovers themselves that bother me just as much as the stupid need for for a mythos shaking event (MSE?). The whole clone fiasco with multiple temporary spider-men even hit DC with their multiple Supermen just after the death of Superman, etc. I wish these books would just get back to their roots.
Civil War is what killed Marvel for me, the final straw so to speak. Spidey going public, the superhero registration, etc. IMHO, the best way to handle this would be what DC did.
Have a Crisis event wiping out (cheesy retcon but ill live with it), relaunch everything. We dont need 4 books of Spidey or the X-Men. 2 titles are enough, keep continuity and stop replacing these iconic characters with idiots like Jeremy Irons, and a clone wearing a hoody with a spider on it.
DC is still by far better than Marvel from a story/writing viewpoint imo.
Still loving Batman atm.
About damn time. The only bad thing: it's probably only a few months before someone at Marvel decides to bring him back, especially given that the new film is coming out. I think Spidey could definately benefit from spending at least 2-3 YEARS dead.
Ugh...why do I keep reading even the few Marvel titles that I do? Maybe it's time to hang up buying comics on a weekly basis.
About damn time. The only bad thing: it's probably only a few months before someone at Marvel decides to bring him back, especially given that the new film is coming out. I think Spidey could definately benefit from spending at least 2-3 YEARS dead.
Spider-Man, probably more than any other character in mainstream comics, really needs a death/rebirth story. It would be a chance to put the character to rest for a few months and then rebuild him when he inevitably returns.
His deal with the devil effectively killed the character to a lot of readers, and a clean break like this would give Peter Parker a chance to put that stuff behind him and finally return to the type of character that readers like. That is, of course, is Quesada can resist the urge to turn his bad fan-fics into full stories and thus ruin the character further.
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That is, of course, is Quesada can resist the urge to turn his bad fan-fics into full stories and thus ruin the character further.
I think he should stay dead until a month or two after Quesada leaves Marvel...no matter how long that takes. But he also just needs a break of 2-3 years, even if Quesada left the company tomorrow.
Ultimate Spider-Man has been the better title for almost all of it's existence...let it carry the Spider-Man torch for a few years.
Ultimate Spider-Man has been the better title for almost all of it's existence...let it carry the Spider-Man torch for a few years.
I don't know if it's still in print, but the Marvel Adventures line has been gold, especially for Spider-Man.
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That is, of course, is Quesada can resist the urge to turn his bad fan-fics into full stories and thus ruin the character further.I think he should stay dead until a month or two after Quesada leaves Marvel...no matter how long that takes. But he also just needs a break of 2-3 years, even if Quesada left the company tomorrow.
Ultimate Spider-Man has been the better title for almost all of it's existence...let it carry the Spider-Man torch for a few years.
Amen. Let the universe reboot *again* give me Peter and MJ married and lets forget the last few years.
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I'd rather they just kill MJ (and well enough so that she stays dead), so that we stop getting a story every few years where they screw up continuity trying to get rid of her. But first we need to fix this whole Brand New Day BS, while keeping his identity a secret from the world at large (and hopefully rolling back to before any loser in spandex who showed up at the Avengers Tower was greeted by maskless Spidey), but giving the knowledge back to a few people who SHOULD know it: namely Felicia Hardy and Norman Osborne.
Or, and this is a truely radical concept that would never ever happen...just let Peter stay dead. Don't revive him. Ever. People who have subscriptions to ASM get to pick another title to have their remaining issues finished out on. Have a mini-series dealing with the aftermath, the effects it has on his allies, enemies, friends, and family. Then just close the door on Spider-Man in the 616 universe.
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Jesus, I hate Marvel....
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29421
To summerize, it's not 616 Spidey that's dying, it's Ultimate Spidey.
It's moronic on so many different levels. Even if you're not a fan of the Ultimate universe, Ultimate Spider-Man is easily the biggest and best selling title of that particular branding of Marvel. Hell, if Ultimate Spider-Man hadn't done so well out the gate, the rest of it probably wouldn't even exist. And now they're gonna kill him? WTF?!? If they bring him back, it weakens the Ultimate universe by making death no longer have consequences in that continuity either. If they don't, they've killed the golden goose, and probably the Ultimate universe itself will follow within a few years.
[Besides, I was hoping that team Spidey would stick together long enough to take on the Ultimates when Fury came for Peter on his 18th birthday.]
616 Spider-Man is in a horrible state right now. I can't really think of any way to fix the hole it's been shoved into OTHER than killing Peter, and having the entire g@@%$@n Marvel universe reboot while he's dead (and unlike in Ultimate comics, you can pretty much expect a popular character in 616 to come back). Frankly, I'd basically eliminate the past five years of Spidey comics in the reboot....take him back to before he ever joined the Avengers, or even Spider-Man: Disassembled (what's the point of giving him new g*!*$@n powers that he does't ever bother to use again?)
Lastly, you have a movie coming out soon. A movie that will have Peter and Gwen together. Kinda like they are in Ultimate Spider-Man. So Marvel's gonna kill off the Spidey that can be with Gwen BEFORE the movie? Stupid.
And 616 Gwen is actually one of the few characters that they've had enough respect for to leave dead since her original death. Yeah, there's been a few clones/robots/alternate continuity Gwens/Osborne daughters, but they've left the actual Gwen alone for all this time. But somehow I feel like they'll feel obligated to dig her up for a movie-tie-in type thing.
Well, at least they've mostly left Uncle Ben alone, and haven't dug him up to pimp rice or anything.
Jesus, I hate Marvel....
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29421To summerize, it's not 616 Spidey that's dying, it's Ultimate Spidey.
Wow...so Marvel saw that there was a good Spider-Man title out there and said, "We can't let this happen!"
I'm so glad I'm not a big-time Spidey fan.
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Wow...so Marvel saw that there was a good Spider-Man title out there and said, "We can't let this happen!"
I'm so glad I'm not a big-time Spidey fan.
I'm firmly convinced that there is someone high up in Marvel, someone who's been there for at LEAST five years, who utterly hates Spider-Man. Not just his marriage to MJ, like Quesada says he hates, but everything about the character.
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I'm firmly convinced that there is someone high up in Marvel, someone who's been there for at LEAST five years, who utterly hates Spider-Man. Not just his marriage to MJ, like Quesada says he hates, but everything about the character.Wow...so Marvel saw that there was a good Spider-Man title out there and said, "We can't let this happen!"
I'm so glad I'm not a big-time Spidey fan.
Yah, I read that too. I don't read Ultimates, but it's my understanding that Ultimate Spidey is now coming up more popular than 616 Spidey.
Rumor has it that someone's going to eat him, like the Blob ate Wasp. :-(
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This will mean that in a span of just a few years, Marvel has destroyed all the characters that I used to care about:
616 Spidey: Basically beyond redemption now. Ironically, when I thought it was this version that was dying, I was thrilled, hoping that he would be dead long enough for the entire Marvel universe to reboot to a point where the title wouldn't suck.
616 Kitty Pryde has been rescued from the depths of space, only to be stuck in the basement to be forgotten about for another five years. AGAIN. Hell, they shoulda just left her in space if they were gonna pull that BS. Love the character, but they have a tendancy to throw her on the shelf for years at a time.
616 Doom: I used to like him, but he's probably THE most inconsistantly written character in their entire damn roster. I just can't be bothered anymore.
And now they're nuking Ultimate Spidey. Jesus, if they don't stop killing off Ultimate characters, they're gonna have to just blow up the entire damn continuity soon.
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Jesus, I hate Marvel....
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29421To summerize, it's not 616 Spidey that's dying, it's Ultimate Spidey.
To show how childish I am ... good. If they get to off Ultimate Wolverine then the whole stupid Ultimate universe should not exist. Not without Wolverine. Nope ... no way ... not happening.
<stands firm and pouts like a child>
Honestly though I DO think Marvel needs a reboot ... like bad. Will the die hard be pissed that all that canon is dead? A lot, sure. However I'm sure a lot more like you and myself would be grateful. A reboot where death can matter again would be fantastic. Heck the ultimate universe WOULD have been a nice place to start if not for the death of anyone remotely cool it seems >_>.
But maybe that IS what all this is leading up to maybe. Maybe they're wanting to kill the Ultimate lines all together because if they did a reboot they might be too similar to the current Ultimate lines.
<------ wishful thinking :D. Until then, I've stopped buying comic books for now. Things are just getting ... well ... STUPID in the marvel world.
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Spidey died with OMD, IMO. But the malaise was already there a long time ago. I'll be as bold to say that it started around the time of Carnage. Venom was the last cool villain; anything after that was a waste.
This hero needs to rest in peace. Not all Marvel characters should have their own title. I'm perfectly fine with Spidey surviving through the pages of the New Avengers from now on, alongside Wolverine, Doc Strange and Luke Cage (and Wolverine shouldn't have his own comic either, seeing that he already appears in 345 other titles... the character is overused as is, and trying to come up with Wolvie's "OWN VILLAINS" and plots is just silly)
What defines a good comic run is the presence of a credible villain. When the villain dies and the threat disappear, let the comic move on. What we see with Marvel is the abundance of melodramatic incidents that make the titles feel like bad soap operas. Marvel seems to have a disease that prevents them from ending comic runs. Thor was paused for a year or two, and when it came back, things were much better. Similar sabbaticals are badly needed at Marvel, and Spidey is on top of that list.
Spidey is a guy that can maybe catch or lift a car when pressed, but have him start throwing buses and front end loaders around and you lose credibility. Spidey's best days was when he was using his brains and minor gadgets like spider tracers to ferret out bank robbers. Sometimes he'd come along a guy like Rhino and you'd be all "wow! what is he going to do???" Now he's taking on guys like Galactus and Ultron and no one is batting an eye, 'cause everyone's just so darn jaded about the title...
Remember when spidy got the Captain Universe power and some villian dropped NY City on Spiderman and he caught it and set it down; this was the beginning of the end. I dont understand their marketing plan; spidy had at one time like 7 titles and carried the company; and the spidy movies got them out of the red; so, if their current story writers are so full of suckage; just hire someone else, sheesh. I can't see Spidy as a permanent Avenger, though after the titles was first formed spidy would have been one of the most powerful on the team on issues like mmm 9 to about 50 or so. Secret Wars and the Beyonder were way crazy years; I think this is where someone got it into their mug to stick Spidy in with the over-the-top crowd.
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Spidey died with OMD, IMO. But the malaise was already there a long time ago. I'll be as bold to say that it started around the time of Carnage. Venom was the last cool villain; anything after that was a waste.
This hero needs to rest in peace. Not all Marvel characters should have their own title. I'm perfectly fine with Spidey surviving through the pages of the New Avengers from now on, alongside Wolverine, Doc Strange and Luke Cage (and Wolverine shouldn't have his own comic either, seeing that he already appears in 345 other titles... the character is overused as is, and trying to come up with Wolvie's "OWN VILLAINS" and plots is just silly)
What defines a good comic run is the presence of a credible villain. When the villain dies and the threat disappear, let the comic move on. What we see with Marvel is the abundance of melodramatic incidents that make the titles feel like bad soap operas. Marvel seems to have a disease that prevents them from ending comic runs. Thor was paused for a year or two, and when it came back, things were much better. Similar sabbaticals are badly needed at Marvel, and Spidey is on top of that list.
Spidey is a guy that can maybe catch or lift a car when pressed, but have him start throwing buses and front end loaders around and you lose credibility. Spidey's best days was when he was using his brains and minor gadgets like spider tracers to ferret out bank robbers. Sometimes he'd come along a guy like Rhino and you'd be all "wow! what is he going to do???" Now he's taking on guys like Galactus and Ultron and no one is batting an eye, 'cause everyone's just so darn jaded about the title...
Only problem? The Spider-Man of which you speak is going to continue on, despite all you say. The Spider-Man that's dying is a Spider-Man that's been in a title that's been pretty consistently good over the past decade. A Spider-Man in a continuity where characters that die don't routinely come back a couple of months later (in fact, most simply stay dead). In short, Marvel is killing the wrong g~%*%!n Spider-Man.
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This hero needs to rest in peace. Not all Marvel characters should have their own title. I'm perfectly fine with Spidey surviving through the pages of the New Avengers from now on, alongside Wolverine, Doc Strange and Luke Cage (and Wolverine shouldn't have his own comic either, seeing that he already appears in 345 other titles... the character is overused as is, and trying to come up with Wolvie's "OWN VILLAINS" and plots is just silly)
I think Spidey should have his own title. Singular. Published monthly. But first he needs a break of at least two or three years. I think he should get the hell out of the Avengers, STAT.
Wolverine's real superpower is multitasking. He's on what, like four X-Men teams and two Avengers teams, plus at least one solo title?
What defines a good comic run is the presence of a credible villain. When the villain dies and the threat disappear, let the comic move on. What we see with Marvel is the abundance of melodramatic incidents that make the titles feel like bad soap operas. Marvel seems to have a disease that prevents them from ending comic runs. Thor was paused for a year or two, and when it came back, things were much better. Similar sabbaticals are badly needed at Marvel, and Spidey is on top of that list.
Agreed. And with Brand New Day, they've essentially turned the dial WAY down on Spidey's archnemesis. While a fight with the Green Goblin won't be any physically easier, Osborne lacking knowledge of Peter's identity kind of ruins the relationship.
Spidey is a guy that can maybe catch or lift a car when pressed, but have him start throwing buses and front end loaders around and you lose credibility. Spidey's best days was when he was using his brains and minor gadgets like spider tracers to ferret out bank robbers. Sometimes he'd come along a guy like Rhino and you'd be all "wow! what is he going to do???" Now he's taking on guys like Galactus and Ultron and no one is batting an eye, 'cause everyone's just so darn jaded about the title...
They need to find a median ground. Spidey's kind of outgrown villains like the Rhino, etc. But at the same time, he shouldn't be anywhere near Galactus or Ultron. They either need to pump up some of Spidey's old villains, or give him new ones. The problem with new villains is that they rarely seem to "stick".
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Yep. So in essence, what everyone is now agreeing on is to give Spidey a long vacation. Let the writers stew on Spidey a couple years. When they come back, they may have one or two decent things.
The only people not agreeing is Marvel. Like I've stated, they're not killing the version of Spider-Man that's gone all to hell. They're killing the version that's been consistantly good for the past decade. And they're doing so in a universe where even superheroes tend to actually stay dead once they die.
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Yep. So in essence, what everyone is now agreeing on is to give Spidey a long vacation. Let the writers stew on Spidey a couple years. When they come back, they may have one or two decent things.The only people not agreeing is Marvel. Like I've stated, they're not killing the version of Spider-Man that's gone all to hell. They're killing the version that's been consistantly good for the past decade. And they're doing so in a universe where even superheroes tend to actually stay dead once they die.
Well we can hold out hope that it's 'Spider Man' who will die, and not 'Peter Parker' Maybe they're going to taint the USM's image so much that Peter has to let Spider Man 'die' and adopt a new identity. Heck, give him M.A.N.T.I.S. style paralytic dart launchers instead of webshooters and let him take the name 'Nightcrawler' (since they killed the Ultimate one)
Nah, that would make sense. They're killing him.