I know the Gazetter will be 64 pages and the CS will be 256 pages (or at least IIRC) so obviously there will be substantially more information in the CS, but I'm wondering what else is going to be different between these products? Is the GAzetter going to be more player based and the CS more DM based? What topics are going to be covered by the CS that won't be covered by the GAzetter?
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On the topic of product differences, I was also wondering what the differences wil be between the korvosa article in pathfinder 7, the guide in february, and the info in the 16 page player's guide.
James can correct me if I'm wrong but the Korvosa section in 7 got cut. The Player's Guide covers a lot of stuff specifically for the CotCT AP. The guide talks about the city in general (but also sometimes extremely detailed) terms.
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Here's how the information about Korvosa is being parceled out:
PATHFINDER: Whatever parts of Korvosa directly relate to the current volume's adventure are detailed. This will generally be a very micro view; you'll get a single crypt or a guildhall or temple or whatever, but not much beyond that—everything you'll need to run the adventure will be in that volume's adventure, though. There isn't going to be separate article about Korvosa in Pathfinder, though, like there was for Magnimar in Pathfinder 2. For an adventure that spent less than half its time in the city, a 12 or so page article was enough. For a campaign that spends about 2/3 of its entire length in the city... we needed more room. Hence: The following two products.
PLAYER'S GUIDE: This contains about 5 pages of info on Korvosa (the city, its people, landmarks, etc.), several pages on character races and classes and how they fit in to Korvosa, two pages of equipment, and about three pages of character traits you can choose to make your PC fit into the start of the first adventure easier (and to help set up your character's background). There's about four new feats in the book as well.
GUIDE TO KORVOSA: This is a 64 page book all about Korvosa. It'll be really helpful in games where the PCs are particularly prone to being distracted, and VERY helpful for GMs who want to know more about the city or want to expand parts of the adventure.
Bump for DMcCoy's question.
Don't worry about it for the time being; I'm sure we'll get an answer in the fullness of time. They may not be answering simply because they don't know what will and will not get cut for space, what sections will run over word count, and a whole host of other possible things so they don't want to commit themselves to at the moment by saying that this will or will not be covered.
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Bump for DMcCoy's question.Don't worry about it for the time being; I'm sure we'll get an answer in the fullness of time. They may not be answering simply because they don't know what will and will not get cut for space, what sections will run over word count, and a whole host of other possible things so they don't want to commit themselves to at the moment by saying that this will or will not be covered.
That's a fair assessment.
We can't really answer your question because we don't really know yet. :)
That's a fair assessment.
We can't really answer your question because we don't really know yet. :)
Thank you for keeping us informed.
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or uninformed.
or informed about you guys being uninformed.
or uninformed about how informed you guys are about being uninformed.
or uninformed about the level of uninformness being present even though some are informed about the level of uninformness and some are uninformed about the level of informness or even informed about the level of informness, combined with the fact that us being uninformed about you guys being informed and us being informed about you guys being informed are two things I am informed about, and being pleasantly uninformed about just how uninformed those who are uninformed are really informed about others who are informed.
Have no fear, when Paizo gets that kind of stuff sorted out, they'll let us know.
GUIDE TO KORVOSA: This is a 64 page book all about Korvosa. It'll be really helpful in games where the PCs are particularly prone to being distracted, and VERY helpful for GMs who want to know more about the city or want to expand parts of the adventure.
Drool, dribble, slurp. Now look at the mess I made. This is your fault Paizo. I can't wait.
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Here's how it breaks down:
The Gazetteer is a 64-page overview of essentially one hemisphere of Golarion, from Varisia's continent of Avistan to Osirion's continent of Garund and a few places in between. The Gazetteer gives an overview of the role the game's standard PC races play in the world, as well as a discussion of the various subraces of humanity that dwell in the covered region. In all I believe the book covers some 40 nations. Varisia, the setting for the first three Pathfinder Adventure Paths, warrants about a page of detail in the book, with the lion's share of the space detailing neighboring and distant countries that thus far have only been mentioned in our products to date: Osirion, Cheliax, the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, Nex, Geb, Absalom and many more.
A short chapter provides more information on the gods than we've thus far revealed, and there's also a bit on character class options tied to the setting and some words on the geography of the world.
This is a "broad strokes" product that gives a general sense of Golarion, its people, its history, and its nations. It is player friendly and in fact makes an excellent handout to players who might use it to build backgrounds for their characters or to get a better understanding of the world beyond Varisia.
The hardcover is a much, much larger and in-depth version of the same. Whereas a nation might get a single page in the Gazetteer, it might receive 2-3 spreads of information in the campaign setting, which will also include lengthy treatments of secret societies, religions, philosophy, etc. I suspect the Campaign Setting will also include many more maps of key cities and regions in the world.
The Gazetteer is explicitly 3.5, but the only rules are the domains and favored weapons of the gods and one class option for each of the game's core classes.
It remains to be seen what system we will use for the Campaign Setting, as well as how much of that product will be taken up by rules (probably not much).
Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
Thank you (and a half). That's exactly the general idea of what I was hoping to get. (Excited for both now. No bouncing though.)
One thing that I would like to see in these products, if it's not to late, is phonetic pronunciation things like place names, deities, maybe even the names of the iconics if they are included. It's a nit-picky thing, but it's nice to know that you are pronouncing things the way they were intended by the writers.
For example: I assume that Lamashtu is lah-MAHSH-too, but it also sounds good as lahmahsh-TOO (best I can do without symbols for long and short vowels).
One thing that I would like to see in these products, if it's not to late, is phonetic pronunciation things like place names, deities, maybe even the names of the iconics if they are included. It's a nit-picky thing, but it's nice to know that you are pronouncing things the way they were intended by the writers.
For example: I assume that Lamashtu is lah-MAHSH-too, but it also sounds good as lahmahsh-TOO (best I can do without symbols for long and short vowels).
I 2nd this suggestion.I hate not knowing how to pronounce the Cities/nations or deities in the fantasy settings I use.The idea of a appendix with such a pronounciation guide is awsome .
Will the Campaign Setting (or even the Gazetteer) have any information on Arcadia?
I'm looking forward to hearing more about that...
(And again, I can't stress enough: Native Arcadian Centaurs. You guys know that would rock.)
EDIT: Ok, so I broke down and just scribed to PC. My poor, poor wallet. I just need my Paizo crack, what can I say.
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My apologies for posting this question in more than one place - Will the Gazetteer have information on the Mwangi Expanse? I'm hoping to do a Shackled City conversion in the near future, and I'm wondering how much holding off until the Gazetteer release is going to payoff.
Luke:
There is indeed info on the mwangi expanse in the Gazateer.
-Lisa
The Gazetteer is explicitly 3.5, but the only rules are the domains and favored weapons of the gods and one class option for each of the game's core classes.
It remains to be seen what system we will use for the Campaign Setting, as well as how much of that product will be taken up by rules (probably not much).
Any advance on this info now that the PRPG has been announced? It's pretty obvious that the Gazateer will still be 3.5 and the CS won't be 4e, but will the CS be beta-PRPG or remain 3.5?
(And really, who wants to disagree with a dark mistress?)
Shakespeare?
Therefore my mistress' brows are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Slandering creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn, becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so.
.. I have sworn thee fair, and thought thee bright
Who art as black as hell, as dark as night.
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(And really, who wants to disagree with a dark mistress?)Shakespeare?
Therefore my mistress' brows are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Slandering creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn, becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so... I have sworn thee fair, and thought thee bright
Who art as black as hell, as dark as night.
I cannot compete with Shakespeare.
*takes his ball*
*goes home*
I cannot compete with Shakespeare.
*takes his ball*
*goes home*
*sniffles* but .... but ... what about the kick ball game?