Just please don't create classes for the sake of creating classes or because X class isn't good enough.. stat-wise or role-wise. So many base classes have popped up over the last 2 years and some of them are just terrible or would have worked much better as prestige classes. I don't want to see Paizo go down the road of filling books with junk we don't REALLY need.
Here. Here.
I trust Paizo to create prestige classes in the vein they were originally intended . . .not splatbook material, but characters that enhance organizations or facets of a campaign world.
you said it far better than I-THIS is exactly what I would like as well...WOTC has gone prestige-class crazy, but i want ones that are significant roles in golarion...*ahem ahem hellknight paladin*
This is good stuff people.. We're telling them what we want, and our concerns about how it should and should not be done as well.
Waiting patiently to see Bloatmage PrC requirements.
Ability to cast 3rd level arcane spells
8 ranks in heal
8 ranks in Leech Lore
Must be a big fat bastage
I really, really like feats. If there were cool new feats but no prestige classes, I would be perfectly happy.
I've been kind of curious if the Ciphermage or Magesmith will be done up as a prestige class or new base class. Or, if these are merely titles and names as opposed to actual classes...I guess that's okay, too, for flavor purposes and all. Still a Dwarven Magesmith PrC might look pretty interesting.
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I'll throw in for the "prestige classes should be prestigious" camp.
There are millions of PrCs for D&D. They were a good idea, but they were really overdone IMO.
Put out a few per year, make them special and well constructed, based on canon from the Pathfinder or GameMastery lines. (I would love to eventually see writeups for the ones already suggested, the Bloatmage, the Hellknights, etc.)
As for feats, you can never have too many options in that regard. I love setting specific/regional feats.
From the teaser in P2: Alchymyc.
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I'll throw in for the "prestige classes should be prestigious" camp.
There are millions of PrCs for D&D. They were a good idea, but they were really overdone IMO.
*snip*As for feats, you can never have too many options in that regard. I love setting specific/regional feats.
No, you can have too many feats. 3,279 is too many.
Prestige Classes gives you more options to make a whole new character around, feats that provide small bonuses and you only get 7 or so slots for don't.
Maybe if feats came at every even numbered level.
Yup. Although we'll probably not go crazy with them until we all finally decide here at Paizo if we're switching to 4th or staying 3.5.Just please don't create classes for the sake of creating classes or because X class isn't good enough.. stat-wise or role-wise. So many base classes have popped up over the last 2 years and some of them are just terrible or would have worked much better as prestige classes. I don't want to see Paizo go down the road of filling books with junk we don't REALLY need.
Hear Hear!!!
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I'll throw in for the "prestige classes should be prestigious" camp.
There are millions of PrCs for D&D. They were a good idea, but they were really overdone IMO.
*snip*As for feats, you can never have too many options in that regard. I love setting specific/regional feats.
No, you can have too many feats. 3,279 is too many.
Prestige Classes gives you more options to make a whole new character around, feats that provide small bonuses and you only get 7 or so slots for don't.
Maybe if feats came at every even numbered level.
I agree that there are too many feats AND prestige classes. One character can only have so many feats. Keep adding feats, and the only ones that will be used are the good ones. Mechanically, you're going to pick the feats that make your character successful at what s/he does. Combat or crafting, that means you will only use a handful of feats. The other 3000 feats will sit in your sourcebooks wasting ink and page space.
On the subject of prestige classes, having 3000 of them is pointless too. Out of each Complete series book, how many of the prestige classes have you used? One, two? Once again, taking up space and ink. Has anyone ever used the Bear Warrior from Complete Warrior? Seriously?
Mostly, I'd just like to see that the developers don't waste time on things no one ever uses, and make what they do put out as good as possible. I'd rather have one prestige class with flavor and style (Spherewalker) than ten fluffy prestige classes with no substance.
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Well, let me clarify. You CAN have too many feats if they're just slapped together hunks of crap, and you put out X in every splatbook you publish.
Like prestige classes, I want them to be well designed.
I guess I just don't mind seeing feats over PrCs. I'm fairly sick of PrCs. It seems that only about 1 out of 30 are actually usable/not broken.
YMMV
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Well, let me clarify. You CAN have too many feats if they're just slapped together hunks of crap, and you put out X in every splatbook you publish.
Like prestige classes, I want them to be well designed.
I guess I just don't mind seeing feats over PrCs. I'm fairly sick of PrCs. It seems that only about 1 out of 30 are actually usable/not broken.
YMMV
I agree with the PrC thing being WAY too many and NOT easily abusable. Seriously TWO dwarven defender PrC's(in DMG and a Forgotten Realms book)? The problem I have with PrC's is that they require little to no sacrifice to gain. If you are a wizard, why would you not go into a prestige class that gives you a caster/spell level everytime you gain a level. Most of the arcane ones do that. I would love to see something a player really think about what they "want to be when they grow up" and determine if its worth the sacrifice of taking a world specific PrC. But yeah, YMMV.
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Well, let me clarify. You CAN have too many feats if they're just slapped together hunks of crap, and you put out X in every splatbook you publish.
Like prestige classes, I want them to be well designed.
I guess I just don't mind seeing feats over PrCs. I'm fairly sick of PrCs. It seems that only about 1 out of 30 are actually usable/not broken.
YMMV
I agree with the PrC thing being WAY too many and easily abusable. Seriously TWO dwarven defender PrC's(in DMG and a Forgotten Realms book)? The problem I have with PrC's is that they require little to no sacrifice to gain. If you are a wizard, why would you not go into a prestige class that gives you a caster/spell level everytime you gain a level. Most of the arcane ones do that. I would love to see something a player really think about what they "want to be when they grow up" and determine if its worth the sacrifice of taking a world specific PrC. But yeah, YMMV.
I agree that there are too many feats AND prestige classes.I'll throw in for the "prestige classes should be prestigious" camp.
As for feats, you can never have too many options in that regard. I love setting specific/regional feats.
No, you can have too many feats. 3,279 is too many.
Prestige Classes gives you more options to make a whole new character around, feats that provide small bonuses and you only get 7 or so slots for don't.
Maybe if feats came at every even numbered level.
IMO, it's not the number of each, but the way they overlap. There are too many feats and PrCs covering a limited number of themes. In some cases, feats are created to do the same thing as PrC class abilities, watering down both.
On the subject of prestige classes, having 3000 of them is pointless too. Out of each Complete series book, how many of the prestige classes have you used? One, two? Once again, taking up space and ink. Has anyone ever used the Bear Warrior from Complete Warrior? Seriously?
Presige classes have been watered down by over-publication and too many of them covering the same themes (how many class combination PrCs do we really need?). However, the bear warrior is, IMO, a good PrC (and yes, I have used it). It draws on some of the historical flavor of the berserker and is very suitable for the Totem Barbarian variant in the SRD.
Human Barbarian (Bear Totem) 6/Fighter 1/Bear Warrior 7 fighting with the Bear Fang style... he has a focused character concept, appropriate flavor, AND is a kick-butt tank/grappler.
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I agree with the PrC thing being WAY too many and NOT easily abusable. Seriously TWO dwarven defender PrC's(in DMG and a Forgotten Realms book)? But yeah, YMMV.
There are three, Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords has a dwarven defender that you can apply to warblades (actually all of the PrCs that I can recall from that book are pretty flavoursome, and fairly non-powergaming).
I think my internet slang is falling behind, why is this thread awash with "YMMV"? What does it mean?
Plenty of the Gamemastery modules have prestige classes referred to. So in answer to the original question it wouldn't be too hard to go through my subscription and post the prestige classes that already exist in Golarion. I will do this later unless someone else does.
My personal prefernce is that prestige classes are largely unecessary and should generally be reserved for NPC's. They are either just some min/maxs' thrill, too specific or just a badly constructed bunch of 'cool' ideas.
I am also not too wild about a bunch of new feats. I dont think the Big Game Hunter feat in the players companion is balanced (too good) and while a little bit doesn't matter it all starts to add up.
Call me a Grognard if you will.
Plenty of the Gamemastery modules have prestige classes referred to. So in answer to the original question it wouldn't be too hard to go through my subscription and post the prestige classes that already exist in Golarion. I will do this later unless someone else does.
That would be cool if you did. :)
Pathfinder has had the Thaumatage (sp?) from a Green Ronin book referenced... And will have a couple from Plot and Poison referenced in the near future. Mostly evil oriented NPC classes it seems like..
I'm at work or I'd research it more thoroughly before posting.
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I agree with the PrC thing being WAY too many and easily abusable. Seriously TWO dwarven defender PrC's(in DMG and a Forgotten Realms book)? But yeah, YMMV.
There are three, Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords has a dwarven defender that you can apply to warblades (actually all of the PrCs that I can recall from that book are pretty flavoursome, and fairly non-powergaming).
I think my internet slang is falling behind, why is this thread awash with "YMMV"? What does it mean?
YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
Thankyou.
But, umm... now I know what it stands for, I still can't fathom what it means?
UK?
It's a reference to how much distance you can get out your gasoline/petrol. It's an American cultural slang phrase.
Or, "The value of the statement might have relative value to your particular circumstances."
