New D&D = Old WOD?


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I was just posting on another thread and it occurred to me. Just about every new plane is really just a slight spin on the metaphysics of an old World of Darkness game.

Shadowfell = The Shadowlands from Wraith: the Oblivion (Rotten black and white entropy version of the real world full of the spirits of the departed who gradually fade away)

Feywild = The Dreaming from Changeling: the Dreaming (Primal wilderness version of the real world where the natural features are exaggerated and real civilization is replaced with fae-built kingdoms and mythical creatures)

Nine Hells = The Abyss from Demon: The Fallen (The rebel angels are cast into a miserable prison from which they cannot escape, there forming into rigid hierarchies--escape due to cracks in the prison and return to earth to establish mortal power and pact with humans as well as to labor toward the liberation of their leaders)

Abyss = Malfeas from Werewolf: the Apocalypse (A rotten center of the spirit world--the Umbra, in which a huge metaphysical being that represents absolute destruction and void has perverted the spirit nature around him to create a realm of misery full of insane mutated spirit creatures--banes that hunger to destroy everything out of a mix of rage, sickness, and desire to end their own suffering)

Sound familiar guys? Wow...and I thought W.O.W was where all the new ideas were coming from.

Dark Archive RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Yeah... I'm with you there. I never really thought about it before, but you're pretty much spot-on with this one.

Paizo Employee Director of Sales

Agreed.

I just wonder that the D&D cosmology version of Autocthonia will be.

Spoiler:
Sweet! I may have only gotten one success on my straight Intelligence roll to remember that there's a weird Technocratic city in the Middle Umbra... but with six successes on my Intelligence+Computer check, I found this!

...

I blame this post on Fatespinner.


The transitive plane of Steamgear, where all the cities exist, but the wilderness is replaced by mile after mile of sprawling metropolis. Giant dirgables fill the sky and foundry skyscrapers shoot soot and flame into the sky. Anything tech is bigger, cooler, and more complex. This is the home of the modrons, a pc race as of the second PHB, who rule the realm with unflinching law and obedience, carrying out a crusade against all magic and fae influence in their attempt to create a perfect ordered society.

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I'd noticed that early on. Posted to the Wotc boards "Um, White Wolf called... they'd like their cosmology back."


Figures. Looks like some White Wolf fans just hi-jacked our game guys.


Let's push for a PrC for druids that allows "half shifts". Ie hybrid animal/humaniod combinations. (werewolves) And druids can battle evil fey from the ...


Maybe Hasbro is in negotiations to buy White Wolf and whatever that space MMO is called that now owns them. It would explain a lot of the wacky decisions they're taking.

1. White Wolf cosmology
2. MMORPG concepts stuffed into D&D
3. ???
4. Profit!!!

Dark Archive RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Krypter wrote:
whatever that space MMO is called that now owns them.

That would be EVE Online by CCP. And it's awesome. Definitely not your typical MMO, not by a long shot.

Scarab Sages

I can't seem to find the 4e cosmology...

Could we get a linky?

Edit: And, EVE Online ROCKS!!!


Small Attention Span wrote:

I can't seem to find the 4e cosmology...

Could we get a linky?

It's here:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070926a

There has been some mild chuckling about this at various WoD sites since the announcement ;-)

Scarab Sages

Matthew Morris wrote:
I'd noticed that early on. Posted to the Wotc boards "Um, White Wolf called... they'd like their cosmology back."

is there a linky to that? did it get a 'blue' response?


Nah. You just gotta' cut and paste it to your address bar. Hopefully it works. A lot of these articles are D&D Insider paid access only. Mostly most of us just have to wait for a kindhearted soul to reprint them for us here. I'd do a search on Paizo for "Cosmology". Somewhere in one of those posts there's sure to be a reprint of the article. That's where I read it.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Mactaka wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
I'd noticed that early on. Posted to the Wotc boards "Um, White Wolf called... they'd like their cosmology back."
is there a linky to that? did it get a 'blue' response?

Not to my knowlege. But I don't mess with the 4.x forums much anymore. That seemed just too blatent for me to not comment on though.

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