This is the first I've heard officially:
Has anyone else seen anything? I don't surf as much as others out there, so I'm looking for any info.
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"Before you submit your complete article or adventure, use the submission process described below to send us a pitch. We’ll look over your pitch, and if we’re interested in your pitch, we’ll let you know within 60 days. Due to the high volume of submissions we receive, we are not able to send you a personal response for every submission. If you do not receive a response (other than an auto-reply) within 60 days, your submission was rejected."
I highlight:
Due to the high volume of submissions we receive, we are not able to send you a personal response for every submission.
According to the timestamp at the top of the page, these guidelines post tomorrow...which means they are able to receive sumbissions from the future!!! Maybe a more articulate, creative ME will publish in Dragon® Online last week!!!
Also, I am glad to say Paizo always responded to me and I never literally fell into the Black Hole at Submissions, never to reemerge...cf. If you do not receive a response (other than an auto-reply) within 60 days, your submission was rejected.
According to the timestamp at the top of the page, these guidelines post tomorrow...which means they are able to receive sumbissions from the future!!! Maybe a more articulate, creative ME will publish in Dragon® Online last week!!!
Also, I am glad to say Paizo always responded to me and I never literally fell into the Black Hole at Submissions, never to reemerge...
OR, the server is in a different time zone ; ) Just kidding.
Yeah, kind of rude that they won't reply with a simple scripted email saying that the pitch was denied right before deleting the email. Mind you, an email that could be scripted to run on a PC that's unattended, searching a folder for any email in it and replying automatically.
Impersonal, but that's usually what a denial is...
What do they think this is? A campaign world submission?
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OR, the server is in a different time zone?
Oh...yeah.
I'm always forgetting I live on the Outer Rim of the Known Universe, otherwise known as the Arctic Circle...
...which I guess would be the outer rim (vertically) of the Planet Earth...
The sun just set, and should be down for a good hour and twenty minutes tonight.
Time for sleep.
I am soooo sorry about this being way off topic but I am such a noob to posting on this board that its spelled nube.
How the Heck do you start a discussion? I want to start a play by post because I like that option to hide spoilers. I don't think I've seen that before.
So if you have to move this somewhere else, or just answer this (politely with forgiveness) and move on to the topic at hand, I need help.
Thank you
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How the Heck do you start a discussion? I want to start a play by post because I like that option to hide spoilers. I don't think I've seen that before.
So if you have to move this somewhere else, or just answer this (politely with forgiveness) and move on to the topic at hand, I need help.Thank you
G
Go to the base thread in question (in your case --> here) and at the top is a "Add New Thread" link. Click on that and away you go...
Hope that helps.
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How the Heck do you start a discussion? I want to start a play by post because I like that option to hide spoilers. I don't think I've seen that before.
So if you have to move this somewhere else, or just answer this (politely with forgiveness) and move on to the topic at hand, I need help.Thank you
G
Go to the base thread in question (in your case --> here) and at the top is a "Add New Thread" link. Click on that and away you go...
Hope that helps.
Moff is right, Greegan, and welcome to the boards!
We won't be moving this post because it is frighteningly difficult to do so without causing a total protonic reversal on the 'boards, so we'll be leaving this here with an apology to the others for the slight threadjack.
:)
Welcome, enjoy, and have fun!
Thanks,
cos
I would like to (snarkily) point out that 'WotC's new Digital Initiative' is a misnomer. The word initiative implies activity -- which I have yet to actually observe from WotC.
Don't worry, Webster's (or Oxford) is going to add snarkily next year as an adverb.
Regards,
Jack
tireless 'digital initiative' basher
Thank you for the Help. I used the link. I know where to start from, but...
How do I do the "spoiler" buttons (show/hid) ?
When you start typing a post, there's a little button that says "BBCode tags you can use:". Click the button and it'll show you how to bold, italicize, spoil, etc.
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I would like to (snarkily) point out that 'WotC's new Digital Initiative' is a misnomer. The word initiative implies activity -- which I have yet to actually observe from WotC.
Don't worry, Webster's (or Oxford) is going to add snarkily next year as an adverb.
Regards,
Jack
tireless 'digital initiative' basher
Maybe they rolled a 'one' on their initiative?
Maybe they rolled a 'one' on their initiative?
I would say they're flat-footed. :)
I would say they're flat-footed. :)
Which you wouldn't think would affect their Profession(Public Relations) check. But, well, here we are ;)
They're not directly related. WotC suffers from both low Dex and no ranks in the skill.
For that matter, I think they have some problems in Int, Wis, Cha, Craft (D&D supplements) and Diplomacy, also. Management might also want to look into the Leadership feat.
:P
So it's been three months since Scott Rouse made the torpedo announcement on Dungeon and Dragon magazines. Is there still no word on the dubious digital initiative?
If I had nothing to show after three months of being paid, I'd imagine I'd get fired. I know the boards at WotC were almost immediately filled with bitter posts and general outcry after the April-07 announcement, not to mention apparent deletion-style censorship by the WizO's lately... so I'm not too thrilled at the prospect of wading through it. So, anyone know the most recent details?
EDIT: oh wait, I found one thing. Scott took his kid fishing in Montana, back in May. Still a'looking...
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So it's been three months since Scott Rouse made the torpedo announcement on Dungeon and Dragon magazines. Is there still no word on the dubious digital initiative?
If I had nothing to show after three months of being paid, I'd imagine I'd get fired. I know the boards at WotC were almost immediately filled with bitter posts and general outcry after the April-07 announcement, not to mention apparent deletion-style censorship by the WizO's lately... so I'm not too thrilled at the prospect of wading through it. So, anyone know the most recent details?
WotC is taking submissions for their DI, they have submission guidelines up. If you submit something, you get an auto-reply and are told to wait 60 days. Other than that, nobody knows. The submission guidelines are . . . skimpy to say the least.
But - and this comes from someone who was outraged and incredibly saddened by the loss of the Dragon and Dungeon (in their current form) - the folks here at Paizo have said that WotC is wading through a heap of submissions right now. Try to be a little understanding.
They have a HUGE amount of work ahead of them, so we should be patient and give them time to get their DI together.
I'm still angry and sad over the loss of my favorite mags, but it has subsided enough, now that the initial shock has worn off. WotC made a business decision. I don't agree with it, but it's done. They aren't bad people, they just have a different idea of how things should go.
I'm going to give this new DI, whenever it takes shape, a chance with no preconceived biases. Quite honestly, maybe that's why the DI is taking so long to get into gear - they want the bad taste of the magazines' endings to kind of be washed away first, or at least muted, so there isn't such a violent reaction against the DI. Just a thought.
I'll give it an honest shot when it's released. In the latest issue of Dragon (358), WotC did take out a full page to thank the Paizo staff for all their hard work. That meant a lot to me.
So - really, just wait and see.
I don't want to play armchair psychiatrist, but I did notice a couple of things about your post...
I'm going to give this new DI, whenever it takes shape, a chance with no preconceived biases.
They have a HUGE amount of work ahead of them, so we should be patient and give them time to get their DI together.
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...get their DI together.
There is another phrase that looks and reads very similar, where DI is replaced by an exclamation. So it looks like you are using those words as synonyms.
Maybe I am reading too much into it... But there might, at least, be some preconceived biases rolling around in your head there... :-P
...So - really, just wait and see.
I can't really argue against anything you said, but, that was part of my whole point. We haven't heard anything at all really, and it's been 3 months since the announcement - and probably over a year since their internal decision to make the "change".
Change actually requires going in a new direction, not just saying you will, and we haven't heard anything at all about "progress" they've made.
I would say they're flat-footed. :)Which you wouldn't think would affect their Profession(Public Relations) check. But, well, here we are ;)They're not directly related. WotC suffers from both low Dex and no ranks in the skill.
For that matter, I think they have some problems in Int, Wis, Cha, Craft (D&D supplements) and Diplomacy, also. Management might also want to look into the Leadership feat.
:P
That and I'm pretty sure they've been dominated by Hasbro.
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...So - really, just wait and see.I can't really argue against anything you said, but, that was part of my whole point. We haven't heard anything at all really, and it's been 3 months since the announcement - and probably over a year since their internal decision to make the "change".
Change actually requires going in a new direction, not just saying you will, and we haven't heard anything at all about "progress" they've made.
No, I agree. I'm just saying, maybe things are happening behind the scenes. I really don't know.
We haven't seen anything yet beyond the submission guidelines.
And yes, Disenchanter, it is incredibly hard to look at it with no biases. But - hey, I'm tryin'. :)
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I will be using my preconceived notions and anger to make MY choices!
If I walked into a McDonalds and had someone take away my favorite food for the last 20yrs and basically tell me "tough, we decided that the hamburger should be replaced with an as yet undetermined meat replacement at an unspecified time. No more questions!". I will go to a different place. Burger King, most likely. WotC=McDonalds and Paizo=Burger King in this comparison. WotC has lost my business. They need to provide me with something FAR superior to the Dungeon and Dragon that Paizo has been making for the last few years to gain my business back. I highly doubt that they are up to the challenge.
They owe me and until the debt is paid they can rot.
FH
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I will be using my preconceived notions and anger to make MY choices!
If I walked into a McDonalds and had someone take away my favorite food for the last 20yrs and basically tell me "tough, we decided that the hamburger should be replaced with an as yet undetermined meat replacement at an unspecified time. No more questions!". I will go to a different place. Burger King, most likely. WotC=McDonalds and Paizo=Burger King in this comparison. WotC has lost my business. They need to provide me with something FAR superior to the Dungeon and Dragon that Paizo has been making for the last few years to gain my business back. I highly doubt that they are up to the challenge.
They owe me and until the debt is paid they can rot.FH
Fakey, I feel ya. It's so hard not to be angry about it. Honestly, I haven't purchased anything from WotC for quite awhile. I haven't been impressed by anything I've seen recently. All of my gaming expenditures lately have been Paizo related - and I don't see this really changing. WotC is really going to have to step it up to impress me, but I figure I'll at least take an honest look at what they come up with to replace Dragon and Dungeon.
As difficult as it may be . . .
I will be using my preconceived notions and anger to make MY choices!
If I walked into a McDonalds and had someone take away my favorite food for the last 20yrs and basically tell me "tough, we decided that the hamburger should be replaced with an as yet undetermined meat replacement at an unspecified time. No more questions!".
LOL! You forgot their part about: "...AND you can only have the McFishy until we decide to tell you what the new meat replacement is! You customers don't know what you really like anyway!"
I will go to a different place. Burger King, most likely. WotC=McDonalds and Paizo=Burger King in this comparison. WotC has lost my business. They need to provide me with something FAR superior to the Dungeon and Dragon that Paizo has been making for the last few years to gain my business back. I highly doubt that they are up to the challenge.
They owe me and until the debt is paid they can rot.
=)
Laeknir
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I don't think that's really the reason.
First of all, I'm pretty upset at WotC right now, so if I vent, please understand that I'm not giving an unbiased response - but the bias I have is a direct result of the interactions I've had with WotC employees over the last three months.
With a digital product the 'deadlines' are much harder to 'plan for' than in a print product. If something goes wrong three months before release, it has to be fixed. They can't substitute a different article, or replace that page with artwork. The number of steps to create a working program are far more than to produce a page of text. So, while WotC probably knows some of the things they're going to release, and some of the things they want to release, they don't know for sure that everything will work until it is completely ready. Thus, they're reluctant to announce any features that may not be ready to go.
I'm pretty convinced that the DI isn't 100%. I don't know that they would have liked to be 100% ready now. I think September release date is the best they could hope for. But, I don't think they're ready for a full release. Time, of course, will tell. Certain components (those that are easiest, or were started soonest) may go up immediately in September, and they'll begin telling us about 'future enhancements'. The thing is, they'll have to describe it all in development, because they have a horrible record about saying they're going to do one thing and then doing another.
The thing that will most likely be up and running more or less immediately is the Dragon replacement. While they're still searching through the 'slush pile', they do have staff writers, so they can have a few issues put together without taking a single line from a freelancer or amateur. Considering how weak their upcoming release schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if they arranged things this way. For example, I'd bet a dollar that Ed Greenwood has a few more Cities of the Realms articles that will be released in the DI in the first few months. If I recall correctly, Paizo planned on that being a semi-regular feature, but I only think they did the one installment. All the other planned installments had to go somewhere....
This will allow them to release their 'best' material for a while, or at least, what they think is the best. In the meantime they can work through the 'slush pile' and see what they can develop for some of the future issues.
All in all, though, I'm not really interested in what they're doing with the DI. I like digital content that supports my paper product. For example, I love downloading the maps from Dungeon. I can use them as handouts, and easily edit them. Eventually I might get a projector and put the maps directly on the table. But all of that is 'extra' and it doesn't replace the map I refer to while reading the adventure.... WotC has lost me as a customer. Of course, WotC's loss is Paizo's gain. They've got me for Pathfinder, and the GameMastery Modules. I wasn't going to buy item cards because I won't buy random cards, but I see they have a number of sets that are non-random (and they gave me a free sample with the D1 module) so I might have to start picking them up. And of course, the books they've produced in the past (Shackled City, Dragon Compendium, Art of Dragon) are very high quality. Pretty much any hardcover they put out I'm virtually guaranteed to buy........
I know exactly where you're coming from. Like you, I'm just completely disinterested in a digital product. That said, I am curious to know what these "spectacular" features are supposed to be. But it's extremely unlikely that I'd buy something digital.
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For those that Missed it.. WotC just update the Submission guidelines..
Due to a number of factors, we would like to ask anyone who sent a submission to Paizo and has not heard back from their staff or those of us at Wizards of the Coast to resubmit their proposal to submissions@wizards.com. We’ve received the majority of Paizo’s back submission proposals, but to be sure we have the most up-to-date information from our contributors, we will no longer be reviewing proposals we have received from Paizo. We apologize to those of you who have been waiting to hear from us, and we hope you will all continue to send us your best ideas.
Thanks!
Dragon and Dungeon Staff
That is what they Said
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For those that Missed it.. WotC just update the Submission guidelines..
Due to a number of factors, we would like to ask anyone who sent a submission to Paizo and has not heard back from their staff or those of us at Wizards of the Coast to resubmit their proposal to submissions@wizards.com. We’ve received the majority of Paizo’s back submission proposals, but to be sure we have the most up-to-date information from our contributors, we will no longer be reviewing proposals we have received from Paizo. We apologize to those of you who have been waiting to hear from us, and we hope you will all continue to send us your best ideas.
Thanks!
Dragon and Dungeon StaffThat is what they Said
That's good to know. Thanks Dragnmoon! :)
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That's good to know. Thanks Dragnmoon! :)For those that Missed it.. WotC just update the Submission guidelines..
Due to a number of factors, we would like to ask anyone who sent a submission to Paizo and has not heard back from their staff or those of us at Wizards of the Coast to resubmit their proposal to submissions@wizards.com. We’ve received the majority of Paizo’s back submission proposals, but to be sure we have the most up-to-date information from our contributors, we will no longer be reviewing proposals we have received from Paizo. We apologize to those of you who have been waiting to hear from us, and we hope you will all continue to send us your best ideas.
Thanks!
Dragon and Dungeon StaffThat is what they Said
What?... They did not tell you that they did not trust that you guys at Paizo sent everything :-p
What?... They did not tell you that they did not trust that you guys at Paizo sent everything :-pOur lines of communication are not always perfect, alas.
Translation: he's too nice to suggest that WotC lost what Paizo sent them.
I will be using my preconceived notions and anger to make MY choices!... If I walked into a McDonalds and had someone take away my favorite food for the last 20yrs and basically tell me "tough, we decided that the hamburger should be replaced with an as yet undetermined meat replacement at an unspecified time. No more questions!". I will go to a different place. Burger King, most likely. WotC=McDonalds and Paizo=Burger King in this comparison. WotC has lost my business. They need to provide me with something FAR superior to the Dungeon and Dragon that Paizo has been making for the last few years to gain my business back. I highly doubt that they are up to the challenge... They owe me and until the debt is paid they can rot.
That analogy is spot on -- nicely put!
I'm with FH (and Paizo). Yeah, I know it's a business, but I am there business (with many others -- I've been a loyal D&D customer for longer than many of you have been alive).
They may be free to pursue their profits, but they've also pursued (and obtained) my disappointment, anger, and hostility. I have what I need to play; if I need more, I'll likely go to Paizo for it.
Just a couple more cents :/
Due to a number of factors... Thanks! -- Dragon and Dungeon Staff
Now I'm getting a burr up my butt!
Not to go into everything that bugged my about this post, but who is the new Dragon/Dungeon staff -- or does this remain a semi-fictitious creation of WotC?
Seriously. Do they have an editor? Or anything else?
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Due to a number of factors... Thanks! -- Dragon and Dungeon StaffNow I'm getting a burr up my butt!
Not to go into everything that bugged my about this post, but who is the new Dragon/Dungeon staff -- or does this remain a semi-fictitious creation of WotC?
Seriously. Do they have an editor? Or anything else?
Yes, there's a staff. It's led by Chris Thomasson.
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Yes, there's a staff. It's led by Chris Thomasson.
Wasn't Chris a former editor for Dungeon?
. . . It sounds like the DI is in capable hands.
I just think those hands are going to be over-full for awhile with the onslaught of new submissions and the gigantic slush pile of past submissions. (Oy! And they just asked for everything in the slush pile to be re-submitted to them again.)
Poor foo', I hope he has a decent sized staff to help him.
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Wasn't Chris a former editor for Dungeon?
Yes, there's a staff. It's led by Chris Thomasson.
And of Dragon, for a few issues. :)
. . . It sounds like the DI is in capable hands.
I just think those hands are going to be over-full for awhile with the onslaught of new submissions and the gigantic slush pile of past submissions. (Oy! And they just asked for everything in the slush pile to be re-submitted to them again.)
Poor foo', I hope he has a decent sized staff to help him.
I hope so too. Chris is a good guy, and I'd hate to see him get overwhelmed.
I find it somewhat amusing that Chris Thomasson left Paizo to be a WotC R&D guy (I think that's why he left). And now he's in charge of submissions for their DI.
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As sadden as I am to see the mags go bye bye, I'm gonna go into this DI thing from Wizard's with a open eyes, never know it might be something, then again it might now.
Right now I know one thing for sure, Paizo will have my cash for their replacement as they've shown they have something in place, have made efforts to get that info out (with the blog, with the free GM module, etc etc).
I just hope Wizards doesn't use the DI to introduce more feats & more prestige classes like they do in EVERY thing they offer to people these days.
& yes I still think Scott Rouse is a idiot, that hasn't changed
RM
The more I see of WoTC these days, the less I like them. Submitting to dragon the few times I had the nerve to Mike's rejections were sypathetic, warm and above all personal, profoundly educational in the comments, in the simple explanations WHY they were being rejected. They were the gentlest let downs I have received, such that even being turned down built my confidance. To be honest I had to stop myself trying to exchange emails with him as though he were a freind.
Now WoTC is running the show, the magazine I loved is dead and the warmth and personal voice it had is stilled.
Whose up for Exalted? =/
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The more I see of WoTC these days, the less I like them.
I have to agree. Their website used to have several new items every week for me to enjoy. Now, I'm lucky if I find something once a week. Not to mention that they have, in my opinion, way too much eberron stuff, and not enough Greyhawk and FR stuff.
Dragon .5 (giggle)
I stopped playing The Game Which Shall Not Be Mentioned before Michael Jackson became white. I did not have a Dragon or Dungeon subscription. Therefore, you should take anything I say with a large boulder of salt.
I understand that people are upset over WotC's decision concerning Dragon and Dungeon. It seems to me that a lot of you really understand how to hit 'em. In the wallet. Change is inevitable, but not always for the best. It also seems to me that WotC has made similar moves in the past; 3.5 anyone? They will continue to do what their leadership believes to make the most business sense. As consumers, our voice is our cold, hard cash. So speak up and show them what we really want.
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Paizo found out about year ago that they were pulling the license and came up with all the Pathfinder & Game Mastery and had it ready to go when the printed mags stopped.
WOTC had all that time plus they even knew before Paizo did that the license was going to be pulled.
Since WOTC had more time than Paizo, shouldn't they be more ready for the new Dungeon & Dragon than Pathfinder and Gamemastery?
This is exactly the meat of the matter. Paizo's response to the cancellation of Dungeon and Dragon magazines has been absolutely first rate; WotC's reaction to the change has been an absolute joke. Particularly sad considering WotC is the company responsible for the change; Paizo are the ones who had to change course in reaction to WotC's decision.
I'm completely invested in Paizo's new Pathfinder and GameMastery lines; seems like nobody can provide, much less confirm, even the smallest of details about WotC's so-called Digital Initiative, including when we might expect to get more information.
Funny, that ...
I don't really care about whether WotC is "doing the right thing", I just know that Paizo's new campaign and future products are the most exciting thing, imho, that has come out since 3.0. (I don't remember the last time I couldn't wait till a product came out like I'm waiting for Burnt Offerings - relax Chris, it's only three more days and one download away).
I don't know if WOTC is evil or bad, but they just aren't doing it for me lately. I don't see one thing in their product line for the rest of the year that looks interesting (and I even appreciate Eberron.) Unless online Dungeon happens to have some really attractive things, I doubt I'll be "subscribing" - if that's even what one calls it anymore.
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Oddly enough I just found this article, http://web.archive.org/web/20040530094717/http://atlasofadventure.com/Archi ve/TSR1997Buyout.asp
It's about Ryan S. Dancey from WOTC in 1997 going out Lake Geneva to see if D&D could be salvaged from the ruins of TSR.
Two quotes:
"We listened to customers who told us that they want core materials, not world materials. That they buy DUNGEON magazine every two months at a rate twice that of our best selling stand-alone adventures."
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"Through the RPGA, the Open Gaming movement, the pages of Dragon Magazine, and all other venues available, we want to empower our customers to do what >they< want, to force us and our competitors to bend to >their< will, to make the products >they< want made."It doesn't sound like the WOTC of today, does it?
Where's the RPGA? Dungeon? Dragon? Open Gaming?
(...)
WotC's engagement in settings and adventures
They stayed true to their words for quite some time - at least in regard to adventure: When was the first time WotC published any significant adventure apart from the first few "blue bordered" adventures for 3.0?It wasn't until Paizo's huge success with the Shackled City AP hard cover that they reevaluated their strategy and put Dragon and Dungeon into "shackles".
True: They never stopped publishing a steady stream of new campaign supplements, but they ensured that there were new core rule expansions, too, which mostly really add depth to the game.
WotC and the Dragon/ Dungeon license
From their point of view these decisions (including their licensing strategy with Paizo) makes perfect sense: They promised to do the best for us gamers - This doesn't mean that they have to let other companies (i.e. Paizo) do this instead of them (-> WotC doesn't profit that much if Paizo makes the profits...).
I don't think that people at WotC are "the bad guys".
But they surely are farther away from gamers than people at Paizo.
And they planned badly. The ending of the Dragon and Dungeon licenses surely didn't come as a surprise: Paizo prepared and is apparently profiting from the change. In contrast to Paizo WotC seemed to be totally caught by surprise by this "sudden" development which had been initiated by them! I can't even start to understand how this could happen. Anyway it doesn't put a good light on WotC's management skills.
WotC and the OGL
MM 2 even contained a few OGL monsters. So WotC wasn't always that much OGL-unfriendly. They introduced the license! And they surely profitted by other companies' creativity (Malhavoc, Paizo, Necromancer Games, Swords and Sorcery, Green Ronin etc.): How should one company produce so many high quality products? And didn't the hobby as a whole not profit very much from this? Maybe the problem is that some of WotC's products look pale (in matters of innovative content) in comparision to 3rd company products... But again: Who can blame them? If you are the company who created the game and which has the biggest market share, you can't afford to try too many experiments. Your strategy will tend to be rather conservative. And small new companies can afforder to reinvent the game... Who knows: Maybe we just experience the same fragmentation of the market, people complained about the 2nd edition final stage...
WotC and the RPGA
The RPGA still exists and is still supported - on the WotC web site and in Dungeon.
But many players still prefer to play in groups of their own.
Dragon/ Dungeon succession
There are some things I don't like that much, either:
- Dungeon's "children" will be PF and GM-modules - without official D&D support which saddens me. It is nice to have the core supplement books and be able to use them. It's even more fun to see these supplementary rules being used to as much effect as in Dungeon.
- Dragon's successor could be "Kobold quaterly". Wolfgang will need a lot of man power and sales in order to reach this goal, though.
Unfortunately Paizo dispensed with most of the Dragon part of the heritage - and WotC was attentive: Paizo original and WotC spin off?
- WotC keeps on concentrating on miniatures: They are very successful according to what some people claim here. They appeal to young players who grow up with video games and might think "pure D&D" to be too abstract (?).
All in all things aren't so bad, though.
I'll dearly miss Dragon & Dungeon magazines.
I look forward to PF and GM modules, though. I love their availability in digital format right from the start (something which oddly enough never worked with Dragon and Dungeon). I feel sorry for those parts of Dragon and Dungeon which don't make it into the new publications. I don't like to see another new setting, but I trust in Paizo's ability to reimagine old fantasy clichés (thanks to their writing skills) without having to reinvent everything (sometimes a small twist on the cliché is sufficient to take your players off guard, and not everyone wants another "Eberron").
Greetings,
Günther
Well, Paizo found out about year ago that they were pulling the license and came up with all the Pathfinder & Game Mastery and had it ready to go when the printed mags stopped.
Since WOTC had more time than Paizo, shouldn't they be more ready for the new Dungeon & Dragon than Pathfinder and Gamemastery?
Patherfinder #1 is shipping here in a week or so, where is WOTC's new effort?
No announcements, no dates, no authors, nothing.
With their lame submission guidlines it looks like they are just starting to figure out what they have and how they want to do it.They have no real plan.
Here's my 2 cents.
First of all I do believe WOTC have a plan.
But I also believe their company is much bigger, so there is much more
bureaucracy and much less enthousiasm.
Bigger companies in general have a lesser amount of comradery.
Thats something i feel they do have here at Paizo.
PS I am not against WOTC cause they produced a lott of good gaming material wich gave me loads of fun.
But as time went by it looked liked there products lost a lott of their flair.
As if they where put together to quick
If I can't read it in the bath tub I don't care how good it is. Nuff' said.
In my opine some VP of marketing read something in the wall street journal about how magazines were doing badly and sent down an order to get rid of all the magazines to put on teh interwebz where you don't have to buy ink and paper and the streets are paved with pets.com shares.
I got back into dnd after losing interest during the 2nd edition days (paritaly due to poor quality materials and partialy due to wanting to get more poon-tang) But I was pulled back in by picking up a Dungeon and seeing how vastly the quality had improved. I bought some wotc modules and was kind of puzzled why the same excitement and quality was not there. I have gotten some other lapsed buddies back into it as well and spent a metric buttload on books, minis etc. Would this have happened with a proprietary web service?