09/04/2008 04:04:52 ‹Watcher of Earth-2› Actually I haven't wanted to fight about the Economic stuff.. but I do get players asking about building shrines, restoring decript Clocktowers and the like.. It might not be important Core, but I'd hate to see that sort of stuff just get chucked out altogether.. maybe just put off till much later
09/04/2008 04:04:59 ‹Eyebite› Hell yeah!
09/04/2008 04:05:09 ‹Wyvern› James not me! A mystery, let him be.
09/04/2008 04:05:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I worry less about the tree effect and more about all the trees having the exact same ornaments... pretty dull
09/04/2008 04:05:29 ‹Nameless 2› Later Absinth
09/04/2008 04:05:36 ‹Eyebite› I love Eando's journal....even if we don't get stats, some basics about where he grew up, his past, etc.
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09/04/2008 04:05:36 ‹JVirtue55› Yeah my age of worms charactrer ended up with such a pile of items and he made items too
09/04/2008 04:05:37 ‹James Jacobs› Eando's story WILL come to an end eventually. We Might stat him up at the end of the last Eando Pathfinder Journal, perhaps...
09/04/2008 04:05:43 ‹Kevin T› EXACTLY JASON
09/04/2008 04:05:45 ‹Russ› I hope you aren't gonna get rid of stat boosters, though. The game probably falls apart without them.
09/04/2008 04:05:45 ‹Kevin T› thank you.
09/04/2008 04:05:47 ‹Logophylia› James > No love for Artificers ?
09/04/2008 04:05:56 ‹Mr Baron› not necessary...but I am interested in what you think a pathfinder prc looks like
09/04/2008 04:06:01 ‹Watcher of Earth-2› Logophylia, we need Magesmiths!
09/04/2008 04:06:06 ‹Kevin T› Really James? That's sad, I really enjoy reading Eando Kline
09/04/2008 04:06:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Nope.. but I am going to limit how many you can wear
09/04/2008 04:06:12 ‹Wyvern› I 3rd Jason statement on magic items.
09/04/2008 04:06:22 ‹James Jacobs› Artificers are broken. They grant a player the ability to use 9th level magic 11 levels early. No thanks.
09/04/2008 04:06:35 ‹Eyebite› James> looking forward to it
09/04/2008 04:06:38 ‹Mr Baron› i like the pathfinder fiction stuff
09/04/2008 04:06:46 ‹Russ› It probably works ut okay as long as you can have at least two. I'd mainly fear taking away the hp and the spell DCs.
09/04/2008 04:06:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is bitter because of an artificer I threw at them in my Eberron game a while back.. murderous
09/04/2008 04:06:55 ‹Logophylia› So you object to the loopholes - but the concept ?
09/04/2008 04:07:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> How about one physical one and one mental one...
09/04/2008 04:07:11 ‹James Jacobs› We're taking the Battlestar Galactica/Lost approach to the Pathfinder Journal. We have an arc planned out for Eando, and that includes an end. We aren't going the X-Files route, which is to milk him dry until he bleeds and then keep milking him and so on and so on.
09/04/2008 04:07:12 ‹Watcher of Earth-2› The Artificers need to me re-imagined in new and unbroken ways
09/04/2008 04:07:13 ‹robert_hawk› burning extra charges for metamagic effects get silly fast
09/04/2008 04:07:14 ‹Blazej› :lol:
09/04/2008 04:07:15 ‹Kevin T› I'm sure Jason you'll do what ever changes you make justice. I've enjoyed everything so far about Pathfinder....except for the damage to my wallet lol
09/04/2008 04:07:40 ‹JVirtue55› I think u should be able to use ones you fit on your body
09/04/2008 04:07:42 ‹Mr Baron› I hope there will be a replacement for him
09/04/2008 04:07:50 ‹James Jacobs› I am a little bitter about Jason's 7th level artificer that hit my character with a Quickened Maximized scorching ray and a regular maximized scorching ray in one round. That was a bit OVER THE TOP for a 6th level character to take.
09/04/2008 04:07:52 ‹Logophylia› I am the first to admit that artificers are ripe for abuse, but the basic concept is sound ...
09/04/2008 04:07:54 ‹Nameless 2› Yay for Lost!
09/04/2008 04:07:55 ‹JVirtue55› a fighter needs his Con and Srr
09/04/2008 04:07:56 ‹Blazej› Battlestar Galactica has a end coming? I thought they were going to draw this out for years.
09/04/2008 04:08:00 ‹Eyebite› Any plans for what to do after Eando? I like the perspective of learning about Golarion at large from a character's eyes
09/04/2008 04:08:03 * Admin Lilith got a raise at work, so her Paizo Fangirl subs aren't taking as bad of a hit.
09/04/2008 04:08:06 ‹robert_hawk› it wasn't twinned?
09/04/2008 04:08:08 ‹James Jacobs› THe concept of teh artificer is fine. THe way the rules work in the Eberron version is just too busted.
09/04/2008 04:08:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› JVirtue> You will absolutely be able to fit all the ones you can fit on your body...
09/04/2008 04:08:15 ‹Logophylia› James - I agree
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09/04/2008 04:08:21 ‹robert_hawk› you have to twin those scorching rays! :)
09/04/2008 04:08:24 ‹Kevin T› Exactly Eyebite. It helps me with the feel in some ways.
09/04/2008 04:08:29 ‹Nameless 2› Lilith, congrats!!
09/04/2008 04:08:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› JVirtue> And I disagree that a fighter needs both Con and Str
09/04/2008 04:08:35 ‹Watcher of Earth-2› Let's hear it for the Magesmith! The new unbroken Artificer!
09/04/2008 04:08:40 ‹Nick Logue - writing Sinister art orders› Damn...gotta jet. MUST WRITE ART ORDERS!!! ARGH!
09/04/2008 04:08:48 ‹Admin Lilith› Go Nick go!
09/04/2008 04:08:51 ‹Kevin T› lol later Nick
09/04/2008 04:08:51 ‹Nick Logue - writing Sinister art orders› See some of you tomorrow night on the Sinister Adventures Chat.
09/04/2008 04:08:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Bye Bye Nick.. you suck
09/04/2008 04:08:57 ‹James Jacobs› Also: The artificier isn't open content, so we can't really do much with him anyway. ALSO: The theme and feel of the artificier doesn't really match the themes and feel we're going for in Pathfinder.
09/04/2008 04:08:58 ‹JVirtue55› Jason im glad the game is in your hands you seem very level headed
09/04/2008 04:08:59 ‹Nick Logue - writing Sinister art orders› Take care everyone!
09/04/2008 04:09:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-P
09/04/2008 04:09:01 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Nick!
09/04/2008 04:09:04 ‹JVirtue55› later nick
09/04/2008 04:09:06 ‹Kevin T› I'll be here
09/04/2008 04:09:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› GNight nick. I'll send you an email later...
09/04/2008 04:09:11 ‹Nameless 2› Later Nick!
09/04/2008 04:09:11 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Yeah. the season of BSG that just started is the last one.
09/04/2008 04:09:16 ‹Nick Logue - writing Sinister art orders› Thansk Daig and Scribe!
09/04/2008 04:09:19 ‹Logophylia› Asta Nick !
09/04/2008 04:09:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› JVirtue> Thanks.. i do what I can
09/04/2008 04:09:21 ‹Fake Healer› bye nick
09/04/2008 04:09:24 ‹Wyvern› Bye Nick
09/04/2008 04:09:26 ‹Mr Baron› any strategies for limiting/controling the power creep of high-level characters >15 level?
09/04/2008 04:09:30 ‹Watcher of Earth-2› bye Nick
09/04/2008 04:09:31 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Nick!
09/04/2008 04:09:31 ‹Eyebite› later Nick
09/04/2008 04:09:34 ‹James Jacobs› GUYAKAI!!!
09/04/2008 04:09:41 ‹Nick Logue - writing Sinister art orders› GUAYAKI!!!!!!!!
09/04/2008 04:09:43 ‹Nick Logue - writing Sinister art orders› Nick out!
09/04/2008 04:09:49 ‹James Jacobs› I spelled that wrong. I'm a Guayaki noob.
09/04/2008 04:09:58 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, wow.
09/04/2008 04:10:05 ‹Paul› they are doing casting calls for the preqeul* series caprica
09/04/2008 04:10:05 ‹Kevin T› James, Jason; do me a favor and continue to impliment little side "quests" into Pathfinder. Like Murdermaw, and Noah the Hagfish...and Murderclaw I believe the newest one was
09/04/2008 04:10:07 * Russ2 joins Main
09/04/2008 04:10:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mr Baron> I would argue that there is supposed to be power creep when you reach high levels.. it is just a matter of it being balanced across board...
09/04/2008 04:10:21 ‹Kevin T› I love these, and enjoy what they bring to my character and the story
09/04/2008 04:10:25 ‹Logophylia› James > I understand and wouldn't expect you to do anything in Pathfinder for Artificers - BUT there sure doesn;t seem to be a way to play my Gnome Artificer in 4th ed, so ....
09/04/2008 04:10:27 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T> Will do. THat's the plan, and always has been.
09/04/2008 04:10:34 ‹Fake Healer› I knew a chick that was into Guayaki.......oh wait..... nevermind.
09/04/2008 04:10:38 ‹Kevin T› Good man
09/04/2008 04:10:47 ‹Daigle› :lol:
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09/04/2008 04:10:48 * Russ2 grumbles
09/04/2008 04:10:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Guayaki?
09/04/2008 04:11:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Nevermind... I probably don't want to know
09/04/2008 04:11:04 ‹Hill Giant› Gesundheit!
09/04/2008 04:11:06 ‹James Jacobs› Well... even if we don't do an artificer for Pathfinder... the rules will still work perfectly fine with the Eberron rules. So you'll still be able to do that character with no probs.
09/04/2008 04:11:10 ‹Russ2› The stat boosters definitely do warp the game, and I don't think the MIC solution was a good one (letting people add stat boosts at cost to any other slotted item). Two seems like allows a reasonable range, so that a caster doesn't have to choose between hp and spells that work
09/04/2008 04:11:12 ‹Fake Healer› Jason, it's your boss....
09/04/2008 04:11:21 ‹Kevin T› So how many people here will be dressing up as students from Academea for GenCon lol
09/04/2008 04:11:28 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> It's a delicious organic energy drink, like snapple, but not made out of plastic.
09/04/2008 04:11:30 ‹Watcher of Earth-2› If I did have one complaint about Pathfinder is that sometimes little hooks are thrown out there, like the Magesmith (and I know I'm beating a dead horse, but bear with me), and players get latched on to that stuff.
09/04/2008 04:11:39 ‹Logophylia› Yupyup - Pathfinder for the win - my 100s of $$ in books will not go to waste !!!!!
09/04/2008 04:11:51 * Samwise joins Main
09/04/2008 04:12:00 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
09/04/2008 04:12:06 ‹Kevin T› Hey Adam
09/04/2008 04:12:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Sam
09/04/2008 04:12:13 * Russ2 changes his/her nickname to Russ
09/04/2008 04:12:13 ‹Logophylia› Cause of backwards compatability
09/04/2008 04:12:16 ‹Daigle› Hey Kevin
09/04/2008 04:12:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
09/04/2008 04:12:24 * Watcher of Earth-2 changes his/her nickname to Watcher
09/04/2008 04:12:35 ‹Kevin T› James/Jason: Will we be recieving a Pathfinder Character sheet with Pathfinder RPG, considering the standard 3.5 sheet will not work
09/04/2008 04:12:45 * ephealy joins Main
09/04/2008 04:12:51 ‹Kevin T› ED!
09/04/2008 04:12:55 ‹Daigle› Ed!
09/04/2008 04:13:00 * Kevin T slides Ed a :beer:
09/04/2008 04:13:08 ‹JVirtue55› Can that please come out soon
09/04/2008 04:13:17 ‹Admin Lilith› EEEEEEEEEEED! :squee: :lick:
09/04/2008 04:13:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> We are working on that
09/04/2008 04:13:23 ‹Russ› Mostly does - just replace grapple with CMB. Although I think CMB needs to scale by at least 2xsize, 1xsize isn't worth the calculation
09/04/2008 04:13:30 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> But putting in those bits of flavor here and there let us test the water. Hellknights, for example, are WILDLY popular, but we aren't doing much with htem in the first 18 pathfinders. Eventually (pathfinder 19, prolly) though, we will.
09/04/2008 04:13:30 ‹ephealy› :headbang:
09/04/2008 04:13:32 ‹Wyvern› Hey Ed!
09/04/2008 04:13:39 ‹Kevin T› Figured Jason. May I recommend getting Mad Irishman onboard to create the character sheet
09/04/2008 04:13:42 ‹James Jacobs› Same goes for everything else. Magesmith included.
09/04/2008 04:13:44 ‹Kevin T› that bloke is a genius
09/04/2008 04:13:52 ‹Samwise› oy
09/04/2008 04:14:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› We've gotten a few sent to us already.. but since the skills have changed.. they would need to be redone.. we will probably have one as part of release 2
09/04/2008 04:14:30 ‹Russ› If they are more LN than LE, why hellknights? Just to scare the lawless?
09/04/2008 04:14:34 ‹JVirtue55› Wil there be prestige in the core books or will be that be my hopes for the bok after the monster book
09/04/2008 04:14:46 ‹robert_hawk› cause hellknight sounds badass
09/04/2008 04:14:50 ‹James Jacobs› Jason... I ate too much BBQ. What do I do?
09/04/2008 04:14:57 ‹Kevin T› Now with Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson throne we were able to find a "bridge" to link the two paths with using the same character. I look forward to hopefully finding more "bridges" like this between the paths. Though understand if you can't.
09/04/2008 04:15:07 ‹Samwise› because Mercykillers was taken ;)
09/04/2008 04:15:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> You shut the hell up.. although I did have a delicious homemade chicken parm tonight.. yum
09/04/2008 04:15:25 ‹JVirtue55› I agree hellkinghts great name
09/04/2008 04:15:26 ‹Kevin T› James you take a tums
09/04/2008 04:15:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-P
09/04/2008 04:15:39 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Exactly. Cheliax, where they're from, is currently ruled by devil worshipers. THe hellknights adopted that mythos as a way to help be intimidating, even though they themselves aren't devil worshipers. I suppose some of them are... but most are not.
09/04/2008 04:15:39 ‹Russ› Just wondering where the "Hell" connection is if they aren't evil. I get the impression the Cheliaxian devil worship isn't that neutral, but details are still fuzzy
09/04/2008 04:15:41 ‹Kevin T› I enjoy that Hellknights aren't Evil.
09/04/2008 04:15:47 ‹Russ› Ok, thanks
09/04/2008 04:15:54 ‹Kevin T› Takes a common sterotyped game title, and gives it fresh life
09/04/2008 04:15:58 ‹Russ› I want to run them right :)
09/04/2008 04:16:11 ‹Mr Baron› I like that their alignment is a bit fuzzy
09/04/2008 04:16:13 ‹Nameless 2› Well, I've got to head out for the night. Goodnight, fellas!
09/04/2008 04:16:15 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I know. I'm sorry. I just stub my toe on this stuff sometimes. Case in point, Iomedae being a foreign god in Varisia, but also having a Cathedral in Magnimar. I had to dry tears last Saturday because a cleric felt like his missionary character concept got hamstrung. I cleaned it up (pointed out that she could still very well be a foreign god), but I guess it has me sensitive.
09/04/2008 04:16:16 ‹Kevin T› Something I love about Pathfinder. Paizo seems to take the sterotypes and breath fresh life into them.
09/04/2008 04:16:24 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T> There won't be many bridges of that type, because we want each adventure path to be able to stand on its own. If you have to run them in order... that's bad for business. FAR better to have them independant, so they can each run in any order.
09/04/2008 04:16:28 * Russ is gonna give them Hellbringers, once he figures out what they are.
09/04/2008 04:16:30 ‹Watcher› At least to anything unexplained or contradictory
09/04/2008 04:16:46 ‹James Jacobs› Chelaxian devil worship is evil. Not everyone in Cheliax worships devils though.
09/04/2008 04:17:14 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 is 99% likely to be set in Cheliax, though, and is 99% likely to have a LOT of Hellknight info to support it.
09/04/2008 04:17:17 * Russ enjoyed the "volunteer" virgin sacrifices
09/04/2008 04:17:50 ‹Kevin T› James Jacobs, oh I agree. However we found a bridge in the "talent" line as to why the PCs were after the first villian. A missing child. We used the kid who was attacked by goblins in Burnt Offerings. He had gone missing and his mother wrote to the heroes for help. They answerd the call, and bam entered Curse of the Crimson throne
09/04/2008 04:17:50 ‹Russ› I'll probably keep the "willing", in that appropriate leverage was applied
09/04/2008 04:17:53 ‹JVirtue55› and AP set in an Evil nation that could be really cool
09/04/2008 04:17:56 ‹Kevin T› a great bridge, even if it wasn't ment to be one
09/04/2008 04:18:09 ‹Mr Baron› are you guys going to do your own heirarchy of the 9 hells?
09/04/2008 04:18:11 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> What you're seeing, partially, is growing pains as well. We hit the ground running with Pathfinder, and some of our earlier stuff has some continuity issues. Nothing HUGE, but now that we've had a year with our world, that shouldn't be as much of a problem any more.
04:18:17 ‹lojakz› James> Oh boy... can't wait for AP 4
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09/04/2008 04:18:26 * Watcher nods
09/04/2008 04:18:42 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> yes.
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09/04/2008 04:18:54 ‹James Jacobs› It'll probably take a LOT of inspiration from Dante's Inferno.
09/04/2008 04:19:03 ‹Admin Lilith› HOORAY!
09/04/2008 04:19:15 ‹Mr Baron› are you going to borrow a bunch from the ToH series?
09/04/2008 04:19:17 ‹Logophylia› oooooh - that sounds nice
09/04/2008 04:19:18 ‹JVirtue55› Will there be any planes rules in the big book coming out this summer
09/04/2008 04:19:20 ‹Kevin T› Also liked the little "shout out" to Burnt Offerings in Edge of Anarchy with having Orik's brother in it
09/04/2008 04:19:23 ‹James Jacobs› Minus the Christianity elements.
09/04/2008 04:19:24 ‹Russ› hopefully without the satan at the end with a sinner in each hand and Judas in his mouth, or whatever that horrible last bit was :)
09/04/2008 04:19:24 ‹Kevin T› thought that was kewl
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09/04/2008 04:19:37 ‹Russ› I remember Brutus was one of the three being personally tortured
09/04/2008 04:19:44 ‹James Jacobs› We'll be borrowing a little here and there from ToH. We already have been, in fact. That, and Green Ronin's Book of Fiends too.
09/04/2008 04:20:02 ‹Russ› Cassius was the third one.
09/04/2008 04:20:07 ‹JVirtue55› will u guys use some of Ericks book with Green Ronin the Legions of Hell
09/04/2008 04:20:25 ‹Admin Lilith› The lowest circle of Hell, according to Dante, is reserved for those that betray.
09/04/2008 04:20:23 ‹Mr Baron› I really liked the work that was done with ToH
09/04/2008 04:20:37 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T> The Vancaskerkin link is actually kind of one that I've had planned all the way through all three of the first 3 APs. You'll note that the Vancaskerkins are both from Riddleport, for example... and that the first adventrue of Secodn Darkness takes place in Riddleport...
09/04/2008 04:20:44 ‹Russ› Yes, but Satan has better things to do than personally punish Judas all day long.
09/04/2008 04:20:49 ‹Kevin T› I agree Baron. They are doing it tastefully. I was a little worried they would use only that book for all monsters.
09/04/2008 04:20:50 ‹Mr Baron› I was not a huge fan of GR's work...I just liked the TOH stuff better
09/04/2008 04:21:06 ‹James Jacobs› JVirtue55> Yup. We already have used some of that GR stuff. As early as Pathfinder 1, in fact.
09/04/2008 04:21:23 ‹Kevin T› James, nice I really like little things like that. Makes me feel like there is more...continuality to the world rather then just somethign small.
09/04/2008 04:21:41 ‹Watcher› Night people, east coast train has arrived
09/04/2008 04:21:45 ‹James Jacobs› But that said... what we do with devils and Hell is going to be something we tailor to fit Golarion the way WE like it. So it won't be a simple lift from another system.
09/04/2008 04:21:50 ‹Daigle› Sleep well Watcher!
09/04/2008 04:21:55 ‹Logophylia› night Watcher
09/04/2008 04:21:58 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Watcher!
09/04/2008 04:22:10 ‹Fake Healer› Me too Watcher, G'night all!
09/04/2008 04:22:10 ‹Kevin T› Golarion feels more like the worlds of J.R. Tolkien and Robert Jordan then worlds like Forgotten Realms or DragonLance. No offense to those two
09/04/2008 04:22:13 ‹Wyvern› See ya watcher, I'll take a cab.
09/04/2008 04:22:14 ‹JVirtue55› no i mean the write ups i love Ibis he is one of my fav in that book
09/04/2008 04:22:20 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Jason! Ask me how many spiders I let loose in your cube today!
09/04/2008 04:22:25 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Fakey!
09/04/2008 04:22:41 ‹lojakz› Watcher and Fakehealer>Good night folks
09/04/2008 04:22:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> The answer better by -1
09/04/2008 04:22:44 ‹Logophylia› James> I Realy like the idea of folks worshiping the Devils in Pathfinder - gives them more dimensionality than just Epic-levle foes
09/04/2008 04:22:52 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T> Doh! Because it SHOULD feel more like the worlds of Fritz Leiber and Robert E Howard and Clark Ashton Smith! (goes back to drawign board)
09/04/2008 04:22:54 ‹Russ› I'll take some offence at Robert Jordan. Maybe we can make that George R. R. Martin instead? :)
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09/04/2008 04:23:00 ‹Kevin T› It is rare for me to truelly care for NPCs in a module.
09/04/2008 04:23:09 ‹Kevin T› ROFL!
09/04/2008 04:23:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> That is certainly true.. god knows how much I sampled....
09/04/2008 04:23:15 ‹James Jacobs› Jason: The answer is, fortunately for you... zero.
09/04/2008 04:23:17 ‹Russ› Hmm. The Leiber feel is gonna be really hard with powerful magic on the PC's side.
09/04/2008 04:23:29 ‹Kevin T› Well James before you do that let me pull out my Robert E Howard and read it again and then compare
09/04/2008 04:23:32 ‹Russ› Some Howard feel's definitely coming through :)
09/04/2008 04:23:48 ‹James Jacobs› I gotta read those George RR Martin books, I guess...
09/04/2008 04:24:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Yes you should...
09/04/2008 04:24:06 ‹Russ› James> Wait until he finishes them. At the rate he's going, he's gonna pull A Jordan and die first.
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09/04/2008 04:24:14 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Leiber's influence is going to be pretty blatant in Pathfinder 13 and Riddleport.
09/04/2008 04:24:21 ‹JVirtue55› With Secnd Darkness are Drow OGL or will we see a new dark elf?
09/04/2008 04:24:24 ‹robert_hawk› he writes wery slowly
09/04/2008 04:24:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> If you need to borrow them... I am nearly done with all four..
09/04/2008 04:24:28 ‹James Jacobs› Drow are OGL
09/04/2008 04:24:29 ‹lojakz› James> YES, YOU DO! Love the Song of Ice and Fire.
09/04/2008 04:24:35 ‹JVirtue55› cool
09/04/2008 04:24:37 ‹Kevin T› I want to get Erik's subscription to those books. But with Pathfinder i'm a bit tight on money
09/04/2008 04:24:41 ‹Pygon› Will the Gazeteer PDF have a nice, big, hi-res map of Golarion or a smaller section of it?
09/04/2008 04:24:41 ‹Russ› Actually, Golarion has a LOT of MArtin feel. From drawing from similar sources, I suspect. Martin is basically doing pre-Tolkien fantasy mixed with War of the Roses.
09/04/2008 04:24:50 ‹James Jacobs› The drow in Second Darkness are going to be the vile, evil, bad guys that got them popular in the first place.
09/04/2008 04:24:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> I may have snuck in some Leiber in Absalom as well
09/04/2008 04:24:55 ‹JVirtue55› Jason do u see drow still as a plus 2 with in pathfinder
09/04/2008 04:24:59 ‹James Jacobs› Well done, Jason.
09/04/2008 04:25:00 ‹robert_hawk› Steven Erikson is pretty damn spiffy, in a GRR Martin kinda way
09/04/2008 04:25:00 ‹Russ› And I think it's very fair to call Pathfinder pre-Tolkien feel. Tolkien had a very clear demarcation of good and evil, I don't feel Golarion does.
09/04/2008 04:25:07 ‹lojakz› Just wish George RR Martin would finish the 5th one
09/04/2008 04:25:19 ‹James Jacobs› And Lovecraft too, of course. Can't do a D&D game world without Lovecraft.
09/04/2008 04:25:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› JVirtue> I am not 100% sure yet...
09/04/2008 04:25:34 ‹Kevin T› Russ, I can agree with you there
09/04/2008 04:25:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lojakz> From his blog, it sounds like he is getting close...
09/04/2008 04:25:48 ‹Kevin T› I ment more of the....world feel when it comes to the soceties and races
09/04/2008 04:25:48 ‹JVirtue55› well cause all the stat bonuses we were talking about it the other night
09/04/2008 04:26:03 ‹JVirtue55› Lovecraft is great in RPGs
09/04/2008 04:26:12 ‹Kevin T› heh.
09/04/2008 04:26:21 ‹lojakz› WOO HOO I've not checked his blog in a few months (before Christmas actually).
09/04/2008 04:26:28 ‹Russ› There wasn't much "gray" in Lord of the Rings. Nearly everyone was clearly on one side or the other, even if they eventually flipped side. Not much in the way of "self-interest", which tended to just work out as "Helping Sauron"
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09/04/2008 04:27:05 ‹robert_hawk› the hobbit had a lot of grey in it
09/04/2008 04:27:11 ‹Russ› I like that there are lots of factions in the PF adventures that are out for themselves, rather than bwahahahaha I'm so EVIL! *twirls his mustache*
09/04/2008 04:27:16 ‹JVirtue55› Thats because there was such an overwheming evil that they were fighting
09/04/2008 04:27:29 ‹robert_hawk› especially at the end, with all the armies showing up to fight over some gold
09/04/2008 04:27:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Speaking of LotR... this was at my recent District Caucus... http://pics.livejournal.com/iu...015xya/
09/04/2008 04:27:44 * Russ doesn't have nice things to say about the Hobbit as a work of fiction
09/04/2008 04:27:47 ‹JVirtue55› there is not that over wealming evil in Pathfinder
09/04/2008 04:27:49 ‹Kevin T› ROFL
09/04/2008 04:27:50 ‹Kevin T› nice Jason
09/04/2008 04:27:57 ‹Paul› lol
09/04/2008 04:28:00 ‹lojakz› lol
09/04/2008 04:28:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Of course.. Sean Astin had just taken the stage...
09/04/2008 04:28:23 ‹JVirtue55› Jason get back to writing
09/04/2008 04:28:27 ‹robert_hawk› no love for the hobbit Russ? why not?
09/04/2008 04:28:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› There is a brief video on my blog too..
09/04/2008 04:28:32 ‹Kevin T› Hush Virtue
09/04/2008 04:28:34 ‹JVirtue55› and im out of here
09/04/2008 04:28:35 ‹robert_hawk› It's a great children's book
09/04/2008 04:28:39 ‹JVirtue55› Later
09/04/2008 04:28:48 ‹Kevin T› I haven't had a chance to talk to Jason in a good while. He needs to stay around for a bit
09/04/2008 04:28:51 ‹Russ› The battle of Seven Armies was part of it. The book's just silly. I'd rather read Narnia or the Dark is Rising.
09/04/2008 04:28:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› Tolkien's best book was Farmer Giles of Ham.
09/04/2008 04:28:52 ‹JVirtue55› Have a great evening
09/04/2008 04:28:52 ‹Daigle› Take care Virtue
09/04/2008 04:28:58 ‹lojakz› see yah Virtue
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09/04/2008 04:29:06 ‹Kevin T› later Virtue
09/04/2008 04:29:07 ‹Russ› Or the Chronicles of Prydain, for that matter.
09/04/2008 04:29:18 ‹Kevin T› Oh man Chronicles of Prydain was awesome
09/04/2008 04:29:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> Actually I do not have much time tonight.. not if everyone wants to see release 2 anytime soon
09/04/2008 04:29:19 ‹robert_hawk› mmmm magic pig
09/04/2008 04:29:24 ‹Kevin T› I want that in Hardback so bad
09/04/2008 04:29:41 ‹Kevin T› lol Jason you never have much time.
09/04/2008 04:29:48 ‹Kevin T› Then again I doubt anyone at the office does
09/04/2008 04:29:50 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Nope...
09/04/2008 04:30:06 ‹Kevin T› Tell you what Jason
09/04/2008 04:30:09 ‹Russ› Getting a strong chord of Vance in Pathfinder too.
09/04/2008 04:30:26 ‹Kevin T› If I ever win the lottery I'll give all my friends at Paizo a million dollars
09/04/2008 04:30:30 ‹lojakz› Kevin T> I have all the volumes and the short stories of the Chronicles of Prydain in a hardbound volume.
09/04/2008 04:30:34 ‹Wyvern› I like Dying Earth vibe the bestest!
09/04/2008 04:30:34 * Admin Lilith is a busy little bee and has fallen behind in forum readings...but is curious to know what Ninja Master Mike is doing with hers and Fray's calendar. :P
09/04/2008 04:30:39 ‹lojakz› it's out there.
09/04/2008 04:30:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I can't imagine why :-)
09/04/2008 04:30:42 ‹robert_hawk› I liked Westmark better than prydain
09/04/2008 04:30:44 ‹Kevin T› Do you Lojakz? Man I need that
09/04/2008 04:30:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› Prydain and Earthsea were my fantasy primers, not Middle-Earth or Narnia. Although those came soon after.
09/04/2008 04:31:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> I will take you up on that offer
09/04/2008 04:31:06 ‹Kevin T› I didn't like Earthsea
09/04/2008 04:31:10 ‹lojakz› lol well if i didn't love the stories so much i'd offer it up to you.
09/04/2008 04:31:17 ‹Kevin T› ROFL. Who wouldn't Jason
09/04/2008 04:31:22 ‹lojakz› but unfortunantly for you... i do love the stories
09/04/2008 04:31:34 ‹Kevin T› heh
09/04/2008 04:31:36 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... the Vance in Pathfinder is mostly from Erik. But also because we're inspired a lot by 1st edition, which is VERY Vance.
09/04/2008 04:31:39 ‹Mothman› How's release 2 going Jason?
09/04/2008 04:32:02 ‹Russ› I'm working on a ecology-centered magic campaign in my off time right now. A world in which overuse of magic is causing environmental problems. Just for giggles.
09/04/2008 04:32:11 ‹Kevin T› Hey James will Pathfinder 9 be coming in soon? My shipment is waiting on that. So I can't get 8 till 9 ships
09/04/2008 04:32:23 ‹Mr Baron› you guys need to release your top 10 books to read
09/04/2008 04:32:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> Good.. I am getting very close on finishing the principle writing and editing is already well underway...
09/04/2008 04:32:42 ‹Kevin T› That would be good Baron. But I'd have to say Erik is your man to talk to for that
09/04/2008 04:33:04 ‹Mothman› Jason: Have you guys announced when it will be out yet (release 2)?
09/04/2008 04:33:17 ‹James Jacobs› We just saw the firstbound copy of Pathfinder 9, which means the actual shipment's probably 3 to 4 weeks away.
09/04/2008 04:33:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> No.. but next week is looking very likely
09/04/2008 04:33:29 ‹Kevin T› OUCH!
09/04/2008 04:33:32 ‹Russ› I thought 8 hadn't even shipped yet?
09/04/2008 04:33:44 ‹James Jacobs› Wow... I don't htink I could do a top 10 books to read. I MAYBE could do a top 10 authors to read, though.
09/04/2008 04:33:50 ‹Kevin T› Man that bites. Wonder why they aren't shipping 8 till 9 comes in then...weird
09/04/2008 04:33:52 ‹James Jacobs› 8 should be shipping right about now.
09/04/2008 04:34:01 ‹James Jacobs› Which means 9 is about 3 to 4 weeks away.
09/04/2008 04:34:15 ‹Kevin T› strange....i might need to talk to Cosmo later then
09/04/2008 04:34:22 ‹Russ› I could do a 10, but I'd need to know what period of fantasy you wanted.
09/04/2008 04:34:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› brb... 3 min
09/04/2008 04:34:29 ‹Paul› kevin i believe there is a thread somewhere about it
09/04/2008 04:34:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yes. Talk to Cosmo. Since Pathfinder's a monthly... saving one to ship with the next one shouldn't be an option.
09/04/2008 04:34:42 ‹robert_hawk› there is a thread about the issue 9 appearing in the sidecart
09/04/2008 04:34:50 ‹James Jacobs› Ah.
09/04/2008 04:34:56 ‹Russ› Speaking of, I recommend as fuel for roleplaying everyone read some George MacDonald Fraser (best known for Flashman)
09/04/2008 04:34:59 ‹Mr Baron› It would be interesting to see what the staff thinks is their top 10 authors
09/04/2008 04:35:06 ‹James Jacobs› Not sure what's up with that, actually.
09/04/2008 04:35:16 ‹James Jacobs› Let's see if I can list my top 10 here then...
09/04/2008 04:35:23 ‹robert_hawk› ---- http://paizo.com/paizo/message...#492044
09/04/2008 04:35:29 ‹Kevin T› Really Paul? I'll have to look
09/04/2008 04:35:33 ‹robert_hawk› ^ the sidecart issue
09/04/2008 04:35:45 ‹Paul› go hawk!
09/04/2008 04:35:48 ‹Kevin T› Thanks Rob
09/04/2008 04:36:24 ‹Mr Baron› not counting JRRT....he is on his own list
09/04/2008 04:37:20 ‹Kevin T› Ah thanks again Rob and Paul that link answered my question and problem
09/04/2008 04:37:40 ‹robert_hawk› no problemo
09/04/2008 04:37:45 ‹James Jacobs› H. P. Lovecraft, Clark Ashton Smith, Stephen King, Clive Barker, Ramsey Campbell, Robert E Howard, Raymond Feist, F. Paul Wilson, Jeff Long, and Robert Bloch.
04:37:52 ‹robert_hawk› it had me worried this afternoon
09/04/2008 04:38:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› back
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09/04/2008 04:39:12 ‹Mr Baron› Tad Williams or CS Friedman?
09/04/2008 04:39:19 ‹Kevin T› I kinda like the multiple authors of Eando Kline. Hard to do a journal style story and actually keep one on the edge of their seat as they wait eagerly to flip to the next page, then cry as they find the states to the new monsters wanting more story
09/04/2008 04:39:22 ‹lojakz› James> What does/has Jeff Long written, he's the only one I haven't read or don't recognize?
09/04/2008 04:39:23 ‹Russ› For D&D...Saberhagen, Lovecraft, Howard, Leiber, Vance, Gemmell, Tolkien, Martin, CAS.....blanking on any others
09/04/2008 04:39:33 ‹Mr Baron› so not TW or CS F?
09/04/2008 04:39:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Moorcock
09/04/2008 04:40:19 ‹Russ› I'd add whoever did the Dark is Rising. Nice take on non-violent fantasy, it can give some good lessons on how to work a quest that's not all combat.
09/04/2008 04:40:26 ‹Paul› anybody read mistborn?
09/04/2008 04:40:32 ‹Russ› Bulmahn> Moorcook belongs there too, yeah
09/04/2008 04:40:35 ‹Kevin T› No but told it's good
09/04/2008 04:41:06 ‹Russ› That's not necessarily the BEST fantasy I've read, just the most applicable to game design for me :)
09/04/2008 04:41:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yup
09/04/2008 04:41:46 * Daigle is back.
09/04/2008 04:41:56 ‹Daigle› whudda miss?
09/04/2008 04:41:59 ‹Kevin T› w/b Adam
09/04/2008 04:42:00 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle!
09/04/2008 04:42:14 ‹Kevin T› Not much.
09/04/2008 04:42:16 ‹Daigle› :zombie:
09/04/2008 04:42:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› A little bit of this and that
09/04/2008 04:42:26 ‹Russ› Oh geez! Zelazny!
09/04/2008 04:42:42 ‹Russ› EVERY gamer needs to read the first Chronicles of Amber and Lord of Light!
09/04/2008 04:42:48 ‹Admin Lilith› Rune Giant "Mini" work-in-progress, in case anybody's curious: http://picasaweb.google.com/dm...antMini
09/04/2008 04:42:52 ‹Kevin T› So Jason is that Yetisburg any good?
09/04/2008 04:42:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ speaks truth
09/04/2008 04:43:02 ‹robert_hawk› lord demon was fun
09/04/2008 04:43:09 ‹Kevin T› Nice Lil, thanks. I need to start buying Paizo minis
09/04/2008 04:43:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> It looks fun to me.. but I have had my head so buried in pathfinder, I have yet to play it
09/04/2008 04:43:22 ‹Pygon› nice Lilith
09/04/2008 04:43:22 ‹lojakz› I just picked up Lord of Light, along with a few other of Zelazny's titles.
09/04/2008 04:43:31 * Admin Lilith wishes Yetisburg was ready by PaizoCon...:(
09/04/2008 04:43:48 ‹Russ› Gygax's inspirational list is a good one. Linky: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...gForDnD
09/04/2008 04:43:54 ‹Kevin T› heh. I'm not much for board games, but after seeing Lilith play that one at GenCon...I think I need to start trying your board games out
09/04/2008 04:43:56 ‹James Jacobs› Lojakz> Jeff Long's biggest story was "The Descent" (not the same as the recent movie). His work is mostly horror, but he's done some sci-fi/horror stuff to. Really visceral and cool stuff.
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09/04/2008 04:44:20 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Good Morning from... em.. Portugal
09/04/2008 04:44:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy Ollibolli
09/04/2008 04:44:26 ‹Admin Lilith› Kill Doctor Lucky! Win! :D
09/04/2008 04:44:27 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli!
09/04/2008 04:44:27 ‹James Jacobs› I need to get on there and read George Martin and Vance though.
09/04/2008 04:44:29 ‹lojakz› have to see if we have him at the store. I've been looking for some good horror to read.
09/04/2008 04:44:34 ‹Kevin T› Hey Olli amazed you're still up
09/04/2008 04:44:39 ‹James Jacobs› No new news about German Translations, alas.
09/04/2008 04:44:50 ‹Kevin T› Hey Lilith you'll have to teach me how to play that this year at GenCon
09/04/2008 04:44:51 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› still? just woke up
09/04/2008 04:44:51 ‹Hill Giant› Read any Michael Shea?
09/04/2008 04:44:57 ‹Russ› James Jacobs> I did not understand how Chaotic Neutral alignment worked until I read Cugel the Clever and Eyes of the Overworld by Vance
09/04/2008 04:44:59 ‹Kevin T› lol
09/04/2008 04:45:01 ‹James Jacobs› Check out "The Descent" first. The first chapter is among the scariest stuff I'
09/04/2008 04:45:04 ‹James Jacobs› I've read
09/04/2008 04:45:04 ‹Admin Lilith› Kevin T: If I make it to GenCon.
09/04/2008 04:45:10 ‹Kevin T› WHAT!
09/04/2008 04:45:14 ‹Kevin T› Lilith you better be there
09/04/2008 04:45:18 ‹James Jacobs› Michael Shea's pretty cool.
09/04/2008 04:45:20 ‹Kevin T› GenCon wont be the same for me with you
09/04/2008 04:45:22 ‹lojakz› AWESOME!
09/04/2008 04:45:29 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer his horror stuff to his fantasy stuff though.
09/04/2008 04:45:43 ‹Kevin T› I've yet to read a horror book that has scared me
09/04/2008 04:45:45 * Russ also recommends Butcher's Dresden Files
09/04/2008 04:45:46 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› no poblems, james. i have finished my translation of "Dead man's Chest" (private one) though
09/04/2008 04:45:56 ‹Kevin T› OH Russ Butcher's Dresden Files is very good
09/04/2008 04:46:01 ‹Kevin T› my mother got me hooked on him
09/04/2008 04:46:09 ‹Russ› Some Lovecraft really gets to me. Particularly the Thing on the Doorstep.
09/04/2008 04:46:15 ‹lojakz› there are a few Lovecraft stories that unnerve me a great deal
09/04/2008 04:46:39 ‹Kevin T› Edger Allen Poe is one of the few who can actually get me a little unnerved
09/04/2008 04:47:02 ‹lojakz› yeah, Poe does it for me too. I LOVE POE!
09/04/2008 04:47:09 ‹Daigle› Bernice was a delightfully creepy story.
09/04/2008 04:47:09 ‹Kevin T› Me too
09/04/2008 04:47:11 ‹Russ› Read Lovecraft really late at night next to a dark window. It adds.
09/04/2008 04:47:18 ‹Skeld› night all
09/04/2008 04:47:22 ‹Kevin T› Sadly Russ I don't own any Lovecraft
09/04/2008 04:47:27 * Russ is ashamed to admit he's read almost no Poe
09/04/2008 04:47:29 ‹Kevin T› I'll need to keep an eye open
09/04/2008 04:47:32 ‹Daigle› Night Skeld
09/04/2008 04:47:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> Blasphemy
09/04/2008 04:47:49 ‹Kevin T› I know Jason. I did read a few stories in the Call of Cthulhu RPG
09/04/2008 04:47:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› (which is a spell I just reworked.. coincidentally)
09/04/2008 04:47:57 ‹Hill Giant› Jason: You mean not enough Blasphemy.
09/04/2008 04:48:01 ‹Admin Lilith› I dunno, Lovecraft's "Herbert West: Reanimator" made my skin crawl.
09/04/2008 04:48:04 ‹Russ› You do now: http://www.gutenberg.org/brows...thors/p , scroll down to Poe
09/04/2008 04:48:06 ‹lojakz› I have a paperback of Journey to the Unknown Kadath and the Dream Cycle
09/04/2008 04:48:19 ‹Russ› For those of you who want to read old authors, Project Gutenberg is an astonishing resource
09/04/2008 04:48:27 ‹Kevin T› Thanks Russ
09/04/2008 04:48:31 ‹Admin Lilith› I had to put down Lovecraft for a bit after that.
09/04/2008 04:48:33 ‹Russ› Oops, that's poe not lovecraft, but he's there too
09/04/2008 04:48:47 ‹Kevin T› Though it's hard for me to read online. Really hurts my eyes, when it comes to stories anyhow.
09/04/2008 04:48:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'd like to recommend Steven Erikson. I really like his stuff. And I'm pretty sure it's based on his old game-world.
09/04/2008 04:49:07 ‹Kevin T› and besides I do most of my reading either at work, out on the kayak, or under a tree in the woods
09/04/2008 04:49:08 ‹Russ› Oh wait, he's not - I thought copyright had lapsed, sorry
09/04/2008 04:49:08 ‹robert_hawk› he said it was d&d and then gurps
09/04/2008 04:49:14 ‹Wyvern› Ah! The project gutenberg... Wow, it's been years. How it has evolved!
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09/04/2008 04:49:42 ‹robert_hawk› erikson that is
09/04/2008 04:49:46 ‹robert_hawk› plus he's a canuck
09/04/2008 04:49:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› True Dat!
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09/04/2008 04:50:15 ‹James Jacobs› Poe is, of course, a great writer too.
09/04/2008 04:50:15 ‹Zanderias› ciao folks
09/04/2008 04:50:25 ‹James Jacobs› But he's not on my top 10. He might be in my top 20 though.
09/04/2008 04:50:27 ‹Kevin T› I'm waiting for Dan Browns new book "Key of Soloman" i love his stuff
09/04/2008 04:50:33 ‹Daigle› Bye Zanderias
09/04/2008 04:50:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright everybody.. my time is, unfortunately, growing short tonight.. release 2 calls.. anybody have any last questions?
09/04/2008 04:50:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› I personally prefer Poe to Lovecraft.
09/04/2008 04:50:48 ‹lojakz› i've not read any Dan Brown
04:50:58 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› same here
09/04/2008 04:51:00 ‹Kevin T› Yeah Jason.....when the hell you coming back to Sconsi. Need to down some beer with you
09/04/2008 04:51:01 ‹robert_hawk› you have to be prepared for a rocky start though, you get dumped in the middle of the story and have to piece a lot together, which is half the fun for me (re: erikson)
09/04/2008 04:51:09 ‹robert_hawk› man that's some bad lag
09/04/2008 04:51:10 ‹James Jacobs› There's a good chance that Dan Simmons could bust into the top 10 for me though. "The Terrorr" is the only thing of his I've read, but it was brilliant.
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09/04/2008 04:51:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles
09/04/2008 04:51:27 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Dan Brown is exciting, a pageturner, but not of the qualiaty of Poe or Lovecraft
09/04/2008 04:51:28 ‹Russ› Isn't Dan Brown the Davinci guy?
09/04/2008 04:51:35 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› exactly
09/04/2008 04:51:37 ‹Hill Giant› Dan Brown knows pacing, but his jumps in logic are dreadful. If you want a good conspiracy book, try Eco "Foucalt's Pendulum"
09/04/2008 04:51:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> I was supposed to come back this weekend for the stevens point trivia contest.. but other things got in the way.. playing online just wont be the same
09/04/2008 04:51:42 ‹Admin Lilith› Jason: No questions...but I want some psionics lovin' in Pathfinder, dagnabbit! Along with Epic levels. :P
09/04/2008 04:51:43 ‹Pygon› thanks for stopping in Jason
09/04/2008 04:51:46 ‹Kevin T› No Olli, but he is in a different category
09/04/2008 04:51:58 ‹Kevin T› That sucks Jason
09/04/2008 04:51:58 ‹Charles Evans› I would love to ask about Pathfinder, but I still haven't seen one in the UK since #6.
09/04/2008 04:52:01 * Russ says nothing at all about Dan Brown.
09/04/2008 04:52:07 ‹Wyvern› I read the three musketeers years ago thanks to Project Gutenberg. And coincidentally, now, I'm rereading "20 years after" from an actual book.
09/04/2008 04:52:08 ‹James Jacobs› OOH! Yeah; Foucalt's Pendulum is good stuff.
09/04/2008 04:52:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> Talk to me when the beta is finally done
09/04/2008 04:52:11 ‹Charles Evans› So: erman translations been asked about yet?
09/04/2008 04:52:18 ‹Charles Evans› (g)erman
09/04/2008 04:52:21 ‹Rambling Scribe› robert_hawk: Where are you from
09/04/2008 04:52:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› ? (I'm from Ottawa)
09/04/2008 04:52:33 ‹James Jacobs› THey haven't but I've answered the question anyway; none yet.
09/04/2008 04:52:35 ‹Admin Lilith› Jason: Okay! *makes a note*
09/04/2008 04:52:41 ‹Kevin T› I need to reread Three Musketeers
09/04/2008 04:52:45 ‹Paul› night all, take care
09/04/2008 04:52:48 ‹lojakz› Foucalt's Pendulum is in my pile of too read (literally)
09/04/2008 04:52:52 ‹Kevin T› later Paul
09/04/2008 04:52:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> Doh.. notes always come back to haunt me
09/04/2008 04:52:56 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Paul
09/04/2008 04:53:06 ‹Kevin T› Jason have a good night. Hope to talk to you soon, been to long.
09/04/2008 04:53:07 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› gn8 Paul
09/04/2008 04:53:11 ‹robert_hawk› scribe -- vancouver, but I know people in ottawa
09/04/2008 04:53:11 ‹Russ› I've been focusing on Planet Stories lately. All I left is Northwest of Earth.
09/04/2008 04:53:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Steven Brust is another awesome writer who writes in his game world. His Dumas pastiches are particularly good.
09/04/2008 04:53:38 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Jason, good night... and dream of great new rules
09/04/2008 04:53:39 ‹Kevin T› man I wish I could get a Planet Story subscription
09/04/2008 04:53:43 * newless cluebie joins Main
09/04/2008 04:53:46 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Buhlman: Had you noticed the sggestion on the fighter thread that one thing to do, regarding fighters might be to give them a special bonus if they hit by +5, +10, +15, etc.... EG free disarm attempt, extra damage, maximum dmamage?
09/04/2008 04:53:47 ‹Mr Baron› I am reading NW of earth
09/04/2008 04:53:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ollibolli> That is all I seem to do now....
09/04/2008 04:53:56 * Admin Lilith waves at newless cluebie!
09/04/2008 04:53:57 ‹Russ› Joel Rosenberg is a fun read. The Guardians of the Flame guy.
09/04/2008 04:53:57 ‹newless cluebie› Hey everyone!
09/04/2008 04:53:58 ‹Daigle› Howdy newless
09/04/2008 04:53:59 ‹robert_hawk› wyvern there is a fantasy version of the three musketeers out there written by steven brust
09/04/2008 04:54:07 ‹Admin Lilith› Rosenberg is fun.
09/04/2008 04:54:08 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› I love them
09/04/2008 04:54:16 ‹Russ› (not Joel C. Rosenberg)
09/04/2008 04:54:16 ‹robert_hawk› the pheonix guard, and 500 years after
09/04/2008 04:54:17 ‹Mr Baron› its a quick read...
09/04/2008 04:54:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles> I do have some ideas in this regard.. many of which are designed not only to boost the fighter, but to speed up play.
09/04/2008 04:54:20 ‹Kevin T› 'ello Newless
09/04/2008 04:54:23 * Paul quit (timeout)
09/04/2008 04:54:40 ‹Kevin T› Well Jason make sure when you get to the bard you listen to James lol
09/04/2008 04:54:51 ‹Wyvern› Hear hear!
09/04/2008 04:54:55 ‹Russ› maximum damage can be awfully swingy.
09/04/2008 04:54:55 ‹robert_hawk› brust's vlad taltos and his phoenix guard novels are very good
09/04/2008 04:54:55 * Kevin T gives James a fist bump on Bards
09/04/2008 04:55:16 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Will there be dual stat blocks in Pathfinder projects after 2009, for PathFinder verson of a creature/character and the 3.5 version?
09/04/2008 04:55:31 ‹James Jacobs› No dual stat blocks. Ever.
09/04/2008 04:55:38 ‹Kevin T› Charles I believe after 2009 it will be only their version
09/04/2008 04:55:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles> If I do my job right, you won't really need dual stat blocks...
09/04/2008 04:55:42 ‹Kevin T› heh me to slow
09/04/2008 04:55:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› What james said
09/04/2008 04:55:49 ‹robert_hawk› whoops, I'm repeating what ollibolli said, sorry
09/04/2008 04:55:54 ‹James Jacobs› Dual stat blocks just ensrue that for everyone who picks up the book, guarenteed that part of the book won't be useful to them.
09/04/2008 04:56:12 ‹Charles Evans› I hear HP are going to be different, the feats are going to be different feeding into different BAB, in the two sets)
09/04/2008 04:56:15 ‹Russ› Will you allow fan stat block conversions?
09/04/2008 04:56:21 ‹Russ› (posting of, that is)
09/04/2008 04:56:22 ‹James Jacobs› BUt yes. As Jason says... dual stat won't be necessary to play Pathfinder with the Pathfinder rules or the 3.5 rules. Or 3.0 for that matter.
09/04/2008 04:56:36 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Of course.
09/04/2008 04:56:49 ‹James Jacobs› BUt again... I don't suspect there will be much need for them.
09/04/2008 04:56:56 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Steven Brust is definitely on my (very long) reading list
09/04/2008 04:57:04 ‹Admin Lilith› As a side note, the people who develop RPGXplorer said they're going to be doing a version of it for use with Pathfinder RPG. :woot:
09/04/2008 04:57:10 ‹Wyvern› robert, how's that? How do the musketeers/phoenix guard duel? With laser sables?
09/04/2008 04:57:17 ‹Russ› Well, some heretics may want to 4thE up the books :)
09/04/2008 04:57:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles> There might be some adjustment there, but I am hoping that they will be "on the fly" style conversions... easily codified into a handful of simple rules
09/04/2008 04:57:19 ‹Kevin T› James, has that new cover artist of yours started work on the special GenCon cover for Pathfinder Adventure Path 3
09/04/2008 04:57:19 ‹James Jacobs› To a player who doesn't see the guts of the rules, he can play his 3.5 character in a Pathfinder RPG game (or vice versa), and there shouldn't be much of a problem. In theory..
09/04/2008 04:57:41 ‹robert_hawk› wyvern -- they fence and occaisonally use sorcery
09/04/2008 04:57:52 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› I'd suggest to reissue some Pathfinder Modules with Pathfinder Rules
09/04/2008 04:57:54 ‹James Jacobs› I'd LOVE to see some 4th edition conversions of Pathfinder, actually.
09/04/2008 04:57:59 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› especially D0 an D1
09/04/2008 04:58:00 ‹Charles Evans› Prestige classes Planned any time soon?
09/04/2008 04:58:06 ‹Wyvern› Mordieu!
09/04/2008 04:58:09 ‹Wyvern› ;)
09/04/2008 04:58:11 ‹Kevin T› I'd just like to see the Mechanics of 4th edition heh
09/04/2008 04:58:17 ‹Charles Evans› (sorry if this has already been asked)
09/04/2008 04:58:20 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› hehe
09/04/2008 04:58:22 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› me too
09/04/2008 04:58:25 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T> Steve Prescott is doing the Pathfinder covers for Second Darkness. He's currently working on the covers for 13 (the regular one and the special Gen Con one).
09/04/2008 04:58:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ollibolli> I am seriously thinking about doing those as addendums when I get the time.. and the rules settle down a bit.
09/04/2008 04:58:45 ‹Kevin T› Nice James. Not sure if I can recall any of his work.
09/04/2008 04:59:02 ‹Kevin T› Oh James or Jason. If you talk to Kyle please tell him I love his work on Harrow.
09/04/2008 04:59:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Kevin> He did the Tiamat cover to Dragon 344
09/04/2008 04:59:19 ‹James Jacobs› Reissuing older adventures is probably not cost effective enough. Again... that'd be like re-releasing a 3.0 adventure with 3.5 rules. Unless the 3.0 verison sold out and reprinting is necessary... there's not really much point.
09/04/2008 04:59:22 ‹Kevin T› I feel he has really come a long way and found his calling from that comic of his
09/04/2008 04:59:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well folks, I have to jet. I've got a lot to do before sleep and it's 1am here.
09/04/2008 04:59:31 ‹Kevin T› Ahhh thanks Jason
09/04/2008 04:59:32 ‹Pygon› James - sorry, I think my question was skipped earlier. Kevin had an interest in a fan-made map of Golarion with highlightable points you can mouseover to see what adventures take place there. Will there be a nice hi-res map of Goalrion in the Gazeteer PDF, or some other source?
09/04/2008 04:59:44 ‹Kevin T› Later Scribe
09/04/2008 04:59:46 ‹Daigle› Dream well Craig!
09/04/2008 04:59:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Have a good night. I'll be here tomorrow for the Sinister Chat.
09/04/2008 04:59:52 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T> You can. Steve did the cool Tiamat cover for Dragon. He did the Demogorgon for Dungeon #122 or thereabouts. He did almost ALL of the half-page illos during Age of Worms.
09/04/2008 04:59:55 ‹Russ› I'd rather see Paizo put the dollars where they do more good, rather than revise products we already have. Making us buy something twice is not cool.
09/04/2008 04:59:57 ‹newless cluebie› G'night Scribe
09/04/2008 05:00:04 ‹James Jacobs› He also did the cover to the Gazetteer. The one with the red dragon.
09/04/2008 05:00:12 ‹Kevin T› If that's the case James, then I am sure I'll love his covers
09/04/2008 05:00:14 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Not in Paper, but as PDF's
09/04/2008 05:00:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well.. that is about time for me tonight... last call?
09/04/2008 05:00:19 ‹Charles Evans› Fun Question: Can anyone at Paizo comment on Kobold Cleaver being given his very own (smurf?) avatar by the PostMonster?
09/04/2008 05:00:24 ‹James Jacobs› Steve's a great artist.
09/04/2008 05:00:27 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› can I help? *G*
09/04/2008 05:00:38 ‹Kevin T› Have a good one Jason. Look forward to your release.
09/04/2008 05:00:43 ‹Admin Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: For alcohol...:P *starts singing One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer*
09/04/2008 05:00:43 ‹James Jacobs› That's the first I've heard of it, Charles, so my comment would be: Oh really? Neat.
09/04/2008 05:00:46 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› gn8 Jason
09/04/2008 05:00:49 ‹Daigle› Have a great night Jason
09/04/2008 05:01:00 ‹James Jacobs› Toil, Jason! Toil!
09/04/2008 05:01:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> Nice... one of my favorite songs.. err.. drinks... err...
09/04/2008 05:01:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> I am on it.. you first
09/04/2008 05:01:20 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
09/04/2008 05:01:22 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Droskar will look down upon you, Jason
09/04/2008 05:01:22 ‹Russ› CE> He was avoiding the SMURF trigger by posting SMRF, it only happens when he type SMRF in a post :)
09/04/2008 05:01:28 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: KC started a thread threatening to do all soprts of terrible things to the PostMonster, once he discovered what was happening to him!
09/04/2008 05:01:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Olli> I knew I would pay for inventing Droskar...
09/04/2008 05:02:00 ‹Charles Evans› It's in the offtopics section of the Paizo Boards... That picture cracks me up every time I see it.
09/04/2008 05:02:16 ‹Kevin T› So James you guys been playing Blood Pig in the office?
09/04/2008 05:02:23 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jason.
09/04/2008 05:02:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night everybody...
09/04/2008 05:02:43 ‹Kevin T› I'm told Jason is really good at it
09/04/2008 05:02:45 ‹James Jacobs› Oh my no. There's not enough room or wolverines to play Blood Pig indoors.
09/04/2008 05:02:53 ‹Blazej› Night.
09/04/2008 05:03:00 ‹Kevin T› Ah. Must play at Erik's house then
09/04/2008 05:03:04 ‹James Jacobs› We might have room on the roof. That's what the solution is in Pathfinder 9, at least. A little bit of a Clerks moment.
09/04/2008 05:03:07 ‹Pygon› good night Jason
09/04/2008 05:03:15 ‹James Jacobs› Also: We can't afford that many pigs.
09/04/2008 05:03:16 ‹Kevin T› Oh really?
09/04/2008 05:03:20 ‹Kevin T› lol
09/04/2008 05:03:28 ‹newless cluebie› Any hints as to what the 12th iconic hybrid class will be?
09/04/2008 05:03:29 ‹Kevin T› But think of the pig roast afterwards
09/04/2008 05:03:41 ‹Wyvern› fighter/sorcerer
09/04/2008 05:03:43 * Russ pictures a fighter buying towels and glass cleaner in PF #10
09/04/2008 05:03:44 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Droskar + Forgespurned = very cool for dwarves
09/04/2008 05:03:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mmmmm pig roast... must go now...
09/04/2008 05:03:56 ‹newless cluebie› awesome
09/04/2008 05:03:56 ‹Kevin T› lol
09/04/2008 05:04:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is Eando going to preview Second Darkness, the same way that he spent three journal entries in Korvosa?
09/04/2008 05:04:29 ‹Kevin T› Good question Charles
09/04/2008 05:04:44 ‹Kevin T› Oh I should have asked this earlier
09/04/2008 05:04:44 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And is he ging to cause another disaster? (He failed to keep certain boxes out of royal hands in Korvosa I noted)
09/04/2008 05:04:56 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Figher/Sorcerer is our 12th iconic. Our Iconic multiclassed character, essentailly.
09/04/2008 05:04:58 * Jason Bulmahn quit (timeout)
09/04/2008 05:05:01 ‹Kevin T› James you said you are getting rid of Eando after a while. I assume a new story will take over?
09/04/2008 05:05:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes.
09/04/2008 05:05:12 ‹James Jacobs› To a certain extent. A little.
09/04/2008 05:05:55 * Saracenus joins Main
09/04/2008 05:06:03 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... now that I think on it... Eando's not really gonna be previewing Second Darkness as much as doing a parallel journey... he's got some Darklands in his future...
09/04/2008 05:06:17 * Saracenus waves at the Paizo people
09/04/2008 05:06:37 ‹James Jacobs› After Eando's tale wraps up in Pathfinder 18... yeah. We'll be switching to a new Pathfinder's story.
09/04/2008 05:06:45 ‹newless cluebie› Hi Saracenus
09/04/2008 05:06:46 ‹Russ› Howdy S.
09/04/2008 05:06:46 ‹James Jacobs› And that doesn't mean we won't ever come back to Eando, either.
09/04/2008 05:06:48 ‹Russ› Wow, a 3 year story :)
09/04/2008 05:06:52 ‹Russ› oops, 18 months
09/04/2008 05:06:55 ‹Charles Evans› Ollibolli: What are you doing in Portugal?
09/04/2008 05:07:06 ‹Russ› Probably more like 21 months by then.
09/04/2008 05:07:13 ‹Charles Evans› Ollibolli: Business?
09/04/2008 05:07:15 * Saracenus :glomp:
09/04/2008 05:07:23 ‹Saracenus› whoops
09/04/2008 05:07:24 ‹Kevin T› Charles he's drinking beer and enjoying the cheap hooker
09/04/2008 05:07:30 * Saracenus :glomp: Lilith
09/04/2008 05:07:35 ‹Mothman› James: Any hints on who we are going to hear from once Eando's tale is done? You mentioned it maybe being a female Pathfinder?
09/04/2008 05:07:51 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Holiday
09/04/2008 05:07:56 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› last day of it
09/04/2008 05:07:56 ‹Kevin T› Yeah Moth it will be Lilith the Pathfinder
09/04/2008 05:08:04 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› I will have to wake my GF in 2 minutes
09/04/2008 05:08:07 ‹Wyvern› Hmm... I was liking the idea of having this NPC complete a cycle and then "leave the scene" (disappear, die, etc.) Then another one raises, and repeat the process. Instead of having a single guy (or group of guys) being preceived as all-powerful.
09/04/2008 05:08:10 ‹newless cluebie› lol
09/04/2008 05:08:11 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› and then we are driving to the airport
09/04/2008 05:08:18 ‹Wyvern› Because it is going to happen. It's just the nature of gamers.
09/04/2008 05:08:48 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Officially, are the Pathfinder Organisation going to move into Xin Shalast to use it as a regional base, the previous owners having vacataed it at the end of PF #6?
09/04/2008 05:08:49 ‹Kevin T› Well Olli be safe on your way home mate.
09/04/2008 05:09:00 ‹lojakz› well, good night folks. pleasure to finally make it to a chat.
09/04/2008 05:09:09 * Nick Logue joins Main
09/04/2008 05:09:13 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› thanks kevin, we have very strong winds here today....
09/04/2008 05:09:14 ‹Kevin T› nice to have ya lojakz. Be safe
09/04/2008 05:09:19 ‹Charles Evans› Ollibolli: Ah. Holiday. Hope you have enjoyed it. we have had snow here in the UK this week.
09/04/2008 05:09:23 ‹Nick Logue› Hey All!
09/04/2008 05:09:23 ‹Blazej› Xin Shalast seems to be a little out of the way to put as a base.
09/04/2008 05:09:23 ‹Russ› Isn't X-S kind of a difficult place to get to, as far as HQs go?
09/04/2008 05:09:27 ‹newless cluebie› Hi Mr. Logue!
09/04/2008 05:09:28 ‹Nick Logue› ART ORDERS DONE! Can chat now!
09/04/2008 05:09:29 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue!
09/04/2008 05:09:33 ‹Nick Logue› Oh yes!
09/04/2008 05:09:33 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I'd love to see a female pathfinder take up the cause after Eando's done... but as of right now... nothign's been set in stone for the next arc.
09/04/2008 05:09:34 ‹Kevin T› Well let us know when you get back
09/04/2008 05:09:36 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Hiya Nick... sinister sailor of the razor coast
09/04/2008 05:09:36 ‹Nick Logue› I'm here!
09/04/2008 05:09:38 ‹Kevin T› w/b Nic
09/04/2008 05:09:44 ‹Nick Logue› Hi guys!
09/04/2008 05:09:44 * lojakz quit
09/04/2008 05:09:59 ‹robert_hawk› Art orders? Is Cap'n Razor going to look cooler than that damn shark and the calamari?
09/04/2008 05:10:05 ‹Nick Logue› I do be the sinister sailor of the Razor Coast!
09/04/2008 05:10:19 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> They could. What happens to Xin SHalast after Runelords is over is an open question, really. Depends on what the PCs do to spread the word of its location.
09/04/2008 05:10:23 ‹Nick Logue› Not yet Robert! I was doing art orders for Pett's adventure...creeepy!
09/04/2008 05:10:24 ‹Russ› I'd like to see a journal from the rival agency in Korvosa, rather than another PAthfinder
09/04/2008 05:10:34 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: Are you looking for an entrely new creature for yur competition, or just a single villain, to act as herald? I was slightly confused as to which you wanted, when I rea it.
09/04/2008 05:10:40 ‹Kevin T› Hey Nick has Lou managed to talk to you about the IronDM boards?
09/04/2008 05:10:48 ‹Nick Logue› Entirely new creature! New monster! Woo hoo!
09/04/2008 05:11:07 ‹Nick Logue› Nope, not yet. No time for Iron DM sadly, until Sinister launch madness calms down!
09/04/2008 05:11:14 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Okay... alarm clock went off... I need to go
09/04/2008 05:11:17 * Russ needs to get around to entering that contest
09/04/2008 05:11:17 ‹James Jacobs› Wow. Oh man. I can hardly imagine Nick writing a Rich Pett art order. <boggle>
09/04/2008 05:11:21 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You must have some idea of what officially happens to Xin Shalast, given that you expect that the PCs crush Karzoug, in most games?
09/04/2008 05:11:22 ‹ollibolli in Portugal› Bye al
09/04/2008 05:11:23 ‹Nick Logue› See ya laters ollibolli!
09/04/2008 05:11:30 ‹Charles Evans› Bye, Ollibolli.
09/04/2008 05:11:31 ‹Nick Logue› It's crazy James...
09/04/2008 05:11:36 ‹Nick Logue› So crazy.
09/04/2008 05:11:40 ‹Kevin T› Ah. Okay. I talked to him about possibly assisting in managing the IronDM boards and help remove that filth. But he said he was going to talk to you when he can.
09/04/2008 05:11:47 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> It's not called "The Rivala Agency's Journal" though... It's going to be another Pathfinder.
09/04/2008 05:11:47 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: New Monster... ah. thank you.
09/04/2008 05:11:54 ‹Kevin T› later Olli
09/04/2008 05:12:10 ‹Nick Logue› I'll get around to it Kevin! Sorry about the delay...literally no time to think about IronDM yet. I'll hit you up soon though my man!
09/04/2008 05:12:19 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue. That rules out an amusing idea I had for a living spell villain....
09/04/2008 05:12:24 ‹Kevin T› No prob Nick. I understand.
09/04/2008 05:12:34 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I have an Idea of what happens to Xin Shalast, yes. But until we do a sequel to Rise of the Runelords... which isn't on any official schedule at this time... what "officially" happens depends on each game group.
09/04/2008 05:12:34 ‹Russ› I figured if you went with the Korvasans, it would be renamed for a cycle :) Oh well. Maybe it'll seem fun by PF 37!
09/04/2008 05:12:35 ‹Nick Logue› Ha! Sadly yes. Also, living spell is not OGL so no can!
09/04/2008 05:12:40 * ollibolli in Portugal quit (timeout)
09/04/2008 05:12:41 ‹Kevin T› I just can't wait to hear back from Josh.
09/04/2008 05:13:01 ‹robert_hawk› NL and CE -- there might be an ogl version of living spell in Ptolus
09/04/2008 05:13:03 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Once we're done with Korvosa in Pathfinder12... we wont' be doing much more at all with Korvosa, I suspect.
09/04/2008 05:13:06 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: Is it (Living Spell) an IP?
09/04/2008 05:13:13 ‹Nick Logue› I'm watching The Hu
09/04/2008 05:15:59 ‹Admin Lilith› Kevin T: I thought Fray had posted the 4708 one...Hmmm...
09/04/2008 05:15:59 ‹Kevin T› Later Adam. Talk to you tomorrow I'm sure
09/04/2008 05:16:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any chance of recurring cameo villains?
09/04/2008 05:16:22 ‹James Jacobs› There's about 40 to 50 regions/nations in Golarion. So far, we've gotten 3 Adventure Paths out of ONE of those region/nations. At this rate, it'll take us 25 years to run out of locations... at which point we just expand the map into Tian Xia or the southern half of Garrund.
09/04/2008 05:16:22 ‹Admin Lilith› Nick Logue: Love Portland! Powell's Book - LOVE IT.
09/04/2008 05:16:26 * Daigle drags his sleeping bag over to an unoccupied corner and curls up.
09/04/2008 05:16:26 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Or are they too frustrating for Players?
09/04/2008 05:16:34 ‹Nick Logue› I personally think a member of the Vancaskerkin clan should show up in EVERY path!!!
09/04/2008 05:16:35 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect we'll be moving into those off-the-map regions LONG before that 25 year mark though.
09/04/2008 05:16:38 ‹Kevin T› He might have Lil. I haven't been keeping up with the boards. A few posters were getting on my nerves and I had to stop reading at times
09/04/2008 05:16:40 ‹Saracenus› Nick Logue: I know, Russ, Lilith and I are from Oregon...
09/04/2008 05:16:46 ‹Nick Logue› Powell's is the AWESOME!
09/04/2008 05:16:47 * mortellan joins Main
09/04/2008 05:16:51 ‹Nick Logue› Sweet!
09/04/2008 05:16:51 ‹Admin Lilith› Oregonians represent! :woot:
09/04/2008 05:17:01 ‹Kevin T› lol that would be interesting Nick
09/04/2008 05:17:22 ‹Saracenus› Actually I am scared that Nick is going to be a neighboor 8-)
09/04/2008 05:17:28 ‹James Jacobs› It's really hard to do a recurring villian, alas. We SORT of pull that stunt with the Vancaskerkin familiy, though. But generally, if we expect a villian to be killed, they won't have cameos in other APs. Especially since we want most of our APs to be able to occur in any order.
09/04/2008 05:17:28 * Admin Lilith return-glomps Saracenus! :glomp:
09/04/2008 05:17:38 ‹Admin Lilith› Saracenus: You're in Portland, right?
09/04/2008 05:17:38 ‹Nick Logue› Orik in Burnt Offerings (right James...did I get his name right?) and then Verik in Edge of Anarchy!
09/04/2008 05:17:39 ‹robert_hawk› re: living spell -- ptolus pg 339, has a living illusion
09/04/2008 05:17:45 ‹Russ› Come by for a visit some time, it's only 5 hours south!
09/04/2008 05:17:50 ‹Admin Lilith› Nick Logue: Powell's has a great RPG section too. :)
09/04/2008 05:17:53 ‹Saracenus› Admin Lilith: Yep, Portland
09/04/2008 05:17:54 ‹James Jacobs› Wouldn't make sense, for example, for a 14th level Nualia to show up in a later adventure and then run Runelords AFTER that.
09/04/2008 05:17:58 ‹mortellan› admin-lilith? i better be on good behavior
09/04/2008 05:18:03 ‹Russ› Powell's is fantastic
09/04/2008 05:18:08 ‹Nick Logue› He/She should always go in installment one and be someone you get to whip the shit out of. Poor Vancaskerkins!
05:18:16 ‹James Jacobs› Evil gods and evil demon lords and the like though will prolly be more likely to have cameos and multiple appearances.
09/04/2008 05:18:29 ‹James Jacobs› And yes. Powells is incredible. Best Bookstore I've Ever Been To.
09/04/2008 05:18:39 ‹Saracenus› Russ, there are tons and tons of great bookstores in Portland, but Powell's is the granddaddy of them all
09/04/2008 05:18:57 ‹Kevin T› I think it would be interesting if Eando ever showed up in an adventure path as a background character
09/04/2008 05:19:19 ‹James Jacobs› Assuming he makes it out of his story arc alive, I guess...
09/04/2008 05:19:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Given that a big world shaking event is being slated for Second Darkness, I would ave thought that that will have been noticed and show up in the backstory of some others which come after it; there will be repercussions, unless you're printing sidebars in later products for 'if this has happened yet, or if this hasn't happened yet?'
09/04/2008 05:19:30 ‹Kevin T› lol true James
09/04/2008 05:19:56 * Saracenus waves at Mortellen
09/04/2008 05:20:00 ‹mortellan› yo
09/04/2008 05:20:07 ‹James Jacobs› A "world shaking" event will only happen if the PCs fail at Secodn Darkness, actually. If they succeed... not many folk will know that something happened anyway.
09/04/2008 05:20:18 ‹Saracenus› :cthulhu:
09/04/2008 05:20:31 ‹Nick Logue› Hi mortellan!
09/04/2008 05:20:32 ‹Kevin T› Old question I'm sure but JAMES there will be a giant poster size map of Golarion all fleshed out and labled right? And if so, how does one go about getting 2 copies of the map
09/04/2008 05:20:37 ‹Saracenus› I am in your universe, eating your stars!
09/04/2008 05:21:00 ‹Admin Lilith› Saracenus: I sometimes don't make it out of the Technical Bookstore of Powell's...:ohnoes:
09/04/2008 05:21:32 ‹Saracenus› Lilith: Powell's Technical = Pure Evil
09/04/2008 05:21:33 ‹James Jacobs› There'll be a 4 panel map of 2 continents in the Gazatteer. We'll be blowing that up to an 8 panel one, I suspect, for the Hardcover. BUT: That area on the map's only about as big as North Amearica. An actual world map of ALL Golarion isn't going to be around any time soon.
09/04/2008 05:21:55 ‹Admin Lilith› Saracenus: But so tasty...
09/04/2008 05:22:03 ‹Saracenus› Heh
09/04/2008 05:22:07 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: As for the campaign map, you can get 2 copies (one twice as big as the other) if you by a 64 page gazetteer and a hardcover.
09/04/2008 05:22:26 ‹James Jacobs› I suppose that if thigns get popular and demand is there, we might someday be selling stand-alone world maps.
09/04/2008 05:22:39 ‹Kevin T› Hey Nick any word on when we'll be able to start hearing more about Pathfinder Society. I know you just started, but curious if you have anything to share.
09/04/2008 05:22:43 ‹Saracenus› Right now I am going through "Visual Quickstart Guide Illustrator CS3" right now... yummy graphics goodness
09/04/2008 05:23:01 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm running out of steam. I'm mostly well... but still not 100%. Any last minute questions before I shamble off to grab some TUMS and either play Warcraft or read "The Ruins"?
09/04/2008 05:23:10 ‹Saracenus› Night James
09/04/2008 05:23:11 ‹Kevin T› James, ah thanks. I am getting both books. I wanted one copy for my binder, another for my wall.
09/04/2008 05:23:25 ‹James Jacobs› SOudns like you'll be set then, Kevin!
09/04/2008 05:23:27 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Does Golarion have any major cultural events that involve man7y cities/countries such as The Olympic Games in the Real World?
09/04/2008 05:23:30 ‹Russ› James> Can we entice you to run a table at Paizocon? :)
09/04/2008 05:23:38 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> None that I know of yet.
09/04/2008 05:23:41 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You probably can.
09/04/2008 05:23:46 ‹Kevin T› Not for me James. Thanks as always and look forward to chatting with you again next week.
09/04/2008 05:24:09 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe I'll run my un-written Module set in Ravenmoor!
09/04/2008 05:24:11 ‹Nick Logue› G'night James!
09/04/2008 05:24:14 ‹Kevin T› Wish I could go to Paizocon. But sadly I doubt I can
09/04/2008 05:24:16 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I wuld think a case might be made fr at least city states getting together in a region to have some soert of contest or showing off of skills.
09/04/2008 05:24:30 ‹Admin Lilith› Yay James Jacobs! :D
09/04/2008 05:24:30 ‹Nick Logue› Kevin: More Pathfinder Society Goodness in a couple o' weeks when I officially start!
09/04/2008 05:24:33 ‹Charles Evans› In some of the more peaceful(?) regions, anyway.
09/04/2008 05:24:41 * Kevin T runs off to grab a slab of birthday cake
09/04/2008 05:24:49 ‹Pygon› bye James, thanks again
09/04/2008 05:25:02 ‹James Jacobs› Perhaps. But continent-spanning like the Olympics? Maybe in Absalom... but that might be overestimating the ease of long-distance travel in our world. We don't have trains or monorails.
09/04/2008 05:25:27 ‹Russ› Thank god. No "Storm Rails" or whatever.
09/04/2008 05:25:44 ‹Charles Evans› I'm not so sure about the modern olympics, I was thinking maybe a local, several hundred mile event, such as the ancient ones.
09/04/2008 05:25:45 * Kevin T returns with Andes min chocolate cake and hands out plates
09/04/2008 05:26:00 ‹Wyvern› What do you mean? Then how do you deliver the newspaper?
09/04/2008 05:26:01 ‹Blazej› Maybe every decade along with a long walk for most of the competitors.
09/04/2008 05:26:15 ‹Kevin T› James there is teleportation though lol
09/04/2008 05:26:16 ‹James Jacobs› They're cool. I actually DO like trains in fantasy settings. And airships and all that. Final Fantasy does them VERY well. But... that's not my thing for the type of D&D game I prefer playing.
09/04/2008 05:26:16 * Russ would like to see a Cheliaxian tournie
09/04/2008 05:26:19 ‹Charles Evans› I appreciate long distance travel might be asking for a lot unless there's some ancient portal network somewhere, ala Frgotten Realms.
09/04/2008 05:26:21 ‹Mothman› You off James? See you man
09/04/2008 05:26:31 ‹Kevin T› I'm with you there James
09/04/2008 05:26:46 ‹Mr Baron› signing off...take care!
09/04/2008 05:26:54 ‹James Jacobs› There is teleprotation, yes... but not nearly enough people high enough level to cast it, and most of them have better things to do with their time OR are too self-centered to donate their time OR both.
09/04/2008 05:26:58 ‹Kevin T› Later Baron
09/04/2008 05:27:08 ‹Saracenus› Admin Lilith: Just got done watching the Colour of Magic mini-series with the wife
09/04/2008 05:27:10 ‹Kevin T› True
09/04/2008 05:27:15 ‹Samwise› ive wanted zeppelins every since the Sword & Sorcery boardgame
09/04/2008 05:27:19 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If there are areas with strong traditions of armoured knights, etc, as Russ said occasional regional tournies/jousts might occur.
09/04/2008 05:27:21 ‹James Jacobs› There IS actually a portal network. The Elf Gates do that. But the elves have their own problems with those things...
09/04/2008 05:27:21 ‹Saracenus› Whoops that was ment to go private
09/04/2008 05:27:32 ‹Samwise› i want Corflu Cultists with Zeppelins!
09/04/2008 05:27:40 ‹Kevin T› heh good thing it wasn't anything "private"
09/04/2008 05:27:45 ‹James Jacobs› Oh absolutely. There are certainly tournaments and stuff like that. Just not on a Worldwide Level.
09/04/2008 05:27:54 ‹Nick Logue› Yeppers...I'd better run too everyone. So much work to do tonight!
09/04/2008 05:28:01 ‹Admin Lilith› Elf Gates? Eh? :P
09/04/2008 05:28:04 ‹Nick Logue› NO SLEEP FOR ME! :typerhappy::typerhappy::typerhappy::typerhappy::typerhappy:
09/04/2008 05:28:07 ‹Admin Lilith› Is that how they got out?
09/04/2008 05:28:07 * Russ contemplates what happens to a zeppelin after dragonbreath
09/04/2008 05:28:09 ‹Kevin T› heh never Nick
09/04/2008 05:28:10 ‹Nick Logue› G'night everyone!
09/04/2008 05:28:17 ‹Saracenus› Night Nick
09/04/2008 05:28:20 ‹Kevin T› Oh wait nick got a question
09/04/2008 05:28:21 ‹Pygon› bye Nick
09/04/2008 05:28:25 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Nick.
09/04/2008 05:28:26 ‹Nick Logue› See some of you tomorrow for the Sinister Adventures Chat...right here...8pm Pacific.
09/04/2008 05:28:30 ‹James Jacobs› yup! The elves have a pretty wide-ranging network of linked portals. Many of them aren't working or are now in enemy hands though.
09/04/2008 05:28:33 ‹Nick Logue› Go for it Kevin!
09/04/2008 05:28:38 ‹Wyvern› Or the SAC
09/04/2008 05:28:40 ‹Nick Logue› I'll hang for a sec.
09/04/2008 05:28:46 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
09/04/2008 05:28:46 ‹Blazej› Which enemy?
09/04/2008 05:28:51 ‹Kevin T› sent it private
09/04/2008 05:28:55 * Fray joins Main
09/04/2008 05:29:18 ‹Admin Lilith› Fray, Kevin T wanted a 4708 calendar - did you do one for 4708, or just 4707?
09/04/2008 05:29:19 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: f you get novelists to start writing olarion fiction, some sort of timelines will develop, for particular events occuring, unless your novelists wrte very small aqnd local....
09/04/2008 05:29:27 ‹Fray› Lilith here?
09/04/2008 05:29:34 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm. The antibiotics I'm currently on have an intersting note on the side: "Do NOT take with antacids." Doh. Guess I get to suffer.
09/04/2008 05:29:41 ‹Blazej› Admin Lilith is here.
09/04/2008 05:29:46 ‹Fray› Private messages are not workig for me...
09/04/2008 05:29:50 ‹Fray› Oh Hi
09/04/2008 05:30:03 ‹Russ› James> got any acid reducers? It could take the edge off.
09/04/2008 05:30:05 ‹Fray› Yeah the 4708 is in with the 4707
09/04/2008 05:30:11 ‹Blazej› Does it really put "NOT" in all caps?
09/04/2008 05:30:31 ‹robert_hawk› ginger can help with upset stomachs
09/04/2008 05:30:35 * Nick Logue quit
09/04/2008 05:30:36 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> yeah. I'm aware of that. Pathfinder fiction is a certainty... but I'm guessing that we'll pick a few nations to be our "novel nations" and that they'll be self-contained.
09/04/2008 05:30:38 ‹Pygon› glad you read the warnings. I took medication that told me to stay out in the sun then walked around to the garage sales. My skin turned an unnatural red.
09/04/2008 05:30:39 ‹Kevin T› Got a link to that Fray.
09/04/2008 05:30:46 ‹Pygon› *of the sun
09/04/2008 05:30:50 ‹Kevin T› My 4707 calader is old and don't recall who designed it
09/04/2008 05:30:51 ‹James Jacobs› Short stories will probably be set all over the place though.
09/04/2008 05:30:53 ‹Fray› Lilith :glomp:
09/04/2008 05:31:04 ‹Admin Lilith› James Jacobs: Acidophilus can help with upset tummies as well.
09/04/2008 05:31:13 ‹Fray› Kevin: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...#492110
09/04/2008 05:31:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: No cross-overs between novels and modules/Pathfinders then?
09/04/2008 05:31:33 ‹Charles Evans› (Or at least very few?)
09/04/2008 05:31:41 * Russ thinks that the calender should just recycle for simplicity
09/04/2008 05:32:00 ‹Admin Lilith› Russ: The calendar does cycle every seven years.
09/04/2008 05:32:01 ‹Kevin T› JESUS FRay. didn't expect it to be so fancy. Nice
09/04/2008 05:32:47 ‹James Jacobs› Probably no crossovers between fiction and adventures, no. If it turns out popular, we MIGHT do adventures based on novels, or novels based on adventrues, but after seeing that at work at WotC... it's wiser to keep adventures and novels separate. It's too murky otherwise, since you have to decide which of the two is the more important one that serves the other.
09/04/2008 05:32:51 ‹Russ› I like the Greyhawk calendar :) Moon cycles the same every year. Easy.
09/04/2008 05:33:25 ‹Mothman› I agree, think its a great idea to keep fiction and adventures seperate - and preferably in quite seperate parts of the world
09/04/2008 05:33:29 * Charles Evans suspects he has timed out......
09/04/2008 05:33:45 ‹Fray› Kevin thanks :D
09/04/2008 05:33:45 ‹Charles Evans› (almost)
09/04/2008 05:33:50 ‹Kevin T› I agree with you James. I don't like the novels based off adventures or vise versa. As one or the other ends up feeling Canon and then it just seem right when somebody plays through it.
09/04/2008 05:33:54 ‹Kevin T› Take DragonLance for example
09/04/2008 05:34:14 ‹James Jacobs› I'm thinking more about the Time of Troubles adventrues/novels. That was pretty lame.
09/04/2008 05:34:15 ‹Kevin T› *doesn't seem right
09/04/2008 05:34:29 ‹Wyvern› Ha! It was.
09/04/2008 05:34:29 ‹Kevin T› Those too. But I don't recall them to well
09/04/2008 05:34:35 ‹James Jacobs› But adventures and novels don't use the same "rules." What's good in a novel sucks in an adventure, and vice versa.
09/04/2008 05:34:36 ‹Charles Evans› JAmes Jacobs: What about Computer Games?
09/04/2008 05:34:52 * Russ quit (timeout)
09/04/2008 05:35:07 ‹James Jacobs› Especially since the whole point of a novel is to follow main characters, and the whole point of an adventure is to detail everythign BUT the main characters. Theyr'e almost exact opposites.
09/04/2008 05:35:10 ‹Kevin T› heh Pathfinder Chronicles coming soon to a 360 near you. Made by the same company who brought you Oblivion and Fall Out 3
09/04/2008 05:35:28 ‹Pygon› except you need four controllers
09/04/2008 05:35:39 ‹Russ› Yes. Please resist the urge to work novel NPCs into adventures as much as possible.
09/04/2008 05:35:44 ‹Kevin T› Down Lilith. I see you frothing over there
09/04/2008 05:35:45 ‹James Jacobs› A Pathfinder computer game would be AWESOME. If we get that kind of opportunity... then suddenly Paizo's in an entirely different area of success and things would have to be re-evaluated and looked at completely differently.
09/04/2008 05:36:03 ‹Kevin T› Which might not be a good thing
09/04/2008 05:36:05 ‹Kevin T› no offense
09/04/2008 05:36:07 ‹James Jacobs› I would LOVE to have Bethesda or BioWare or Blizzard do a Pathfinder Game.
09/04/2008 05:36:20 * Russ hopes you guys are the dominant player by the time 5thE comes around
09/04/2008 05:36:21 ‹Kevin T› lol god if Blizzard did it we wouldn't see it till 2027
09/04/2008 05:36:29 ‹James Jacobs› But it would rock.
09/04/2008 05:36:31 ‹Samwise› WoW - Golarion?
09/04/2008 05:36:33 ‹Kevin T› that it would
09/04/2008 05:36:49 ‹Blazej› Him. What kind of game would it be...
09/04/2008 05:36:52 * Kevin T misses being able to play StarCraft II
09/04/2008 05:37:00 ‹Admin Lilith› Kevin T: Frothing over what?
09/04/2008 05:37:06 ‹Admin Lilith› Kevin T: StarCraft 2 isn't out yet.
09/04/2008 05:37:08 ‹James Jacobs› While we're talking pie in the sky... it'd be great to see Peter Jackson do a six-part Rise of the Runelords movie over the course of 6 years.
09/04/2008 05:37:13 ‹Kevin T› I know it's not
09/04/2008 05:37:18 ‹Kevin T› I was playing it at GenCOn heh
09/04/2008 05:37:22 ‹James Jacobs› Eew. Starcraft 2 can rot for all I care. icky
09/04/2008 05:37:36 ‹Kevin T› and frothing over a Pathfinder computer game made by Bethesda
09/04/2008 05:37:45 ‹Kevin T› lol
09/04/2008 05:37:45 ‹James Jacobs› Starcraft cured me of ever being interested in RTS games.
09/04/2008 05:37:49 ‹Kevin T› Not a fan James?
09/04/2008 05:37:50 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: What about Roman Polanski for Pathfinder Films?
09/04/2008 05:38:01 ‹James Jacobs› Roman Polanski? Meh.
09/04/2008 05:38:02 ‹Hill Giant› Peter Jackson doing the Grauls...
09/04/2008 05:38:04 ‹Russ› Ah, I greatly enjoyed Starcraft. But SC2 doesn't exit me.
09/04/2008 05:38:06 ‹Russ› excite me.
09/04/2008 05:38:09 ‹Charles Evans› (Or too melodramatic?)
09/04/2008 05:38:18 ‹Blazej› Uwe Boll?
09/04/2008 05:38:18 ‹James Jacobs› Actually, Stephen Spielberg could do a good job.
09/04/2008 05:38:21 * Blazej runs.
09/04/2008 05:38:24 ‹Kevin T› OH James has that "War and castle defend" idea managed to worm its way into a Pathfinder path yet?
09/04/2008 05:38:25 ‹mortellan› haha
09/04/2008 05:38:25 * Blazej runs fast.
09/04/2008 05:38:26 ‹James Jacobs› That's IT!
09/04/2008 05:38:30 ‹James Jacobs› I"M OUT OF HERE!
09/04/2008 05:38:38 ‹James Jacobs› UWE BOLL HAS BEEN BROUGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION!
09/04/2008 05:38:40 ‹Russ› Get better!
09/04/2008 05:38:40 ‹Pygon› good night James
09/04/2008 05:38:41 * Admin Lilith glomps James Jacobs. :glomp:
09/04/2008 05:38:42 ‹James Jacobs› RARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH
09/04/2008 05:38:42 ‹Kevin T› lol
09/04/2008 05:38:45 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya!
09/04/2008 05:38:46 ‹James Jacobs› :)
09/04/2008 05:38:48 ‹Kevin T› Later James
09/04/2008 05:38:49 ‹Admin Lilith› :raptor:
09/04/2008 05:38:50 * Blazej runs faster.
09/04/2008 05:38:51 ‹Kevin T› Be safe
09/04/2008 05:38:51 ‹Pygon› :ohnoes:
09/04/2008 05:38:56 ‹Admin Lilith› Bad Blazej! Bad! :whip:
09/04/2008 05:38:58 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight James Jacobs....
09/04/2008 05:38:59 * mortellan doesnt believe him
09/04/2008 05:38:59 ‹Blazej› LAaaatterrrr
09/04/2008 05:39:05 ‹Hill Giant› There's a petition, if it gets a million signatures, Boll will quit forevere
09/04/2008 05:39:08 ‹James Jacobs› (I was looking for an excuse to go play Warcraft anyway! :)
09/04/2008 05:39:15 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya next week!
09/04/2008 05:39:17 ‹Kevin T› Where do I sign Hill?
09/04/2008 05:39:26 ‹Blazej› http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/...atures/
09/04/2008 05:39:26 ‹Pygon› pop those pally bubbles
09/04/2008 05:39:31 ‹Kevin T› Take some screen shots
09/04/2008 05:39:37 ‹Kevin T› want to see your phat lootz
09/04/2008 05:39:42 ‹Blazej› http://www.petitiononline.com/...on.html
09/04/2008 05:40:13 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Well... I arrived late, but did my best to ask probing questions and cause chaos.... :)
09/04/2008 05:40:18 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
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16/04/2008 02:50:48 * Fray joins Main
16/04/2008 02:51:03 ‹Russ› I think that makes Kraft fine (barf)
16/04/2008 02:53:24 ‹Russ› Anyhow, bacon. Yum.
16/04/2008 02:54:01 * Fray is watching while eating
16/04/2008 02:55:43 * Tio quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 02:56:15 * Russ imagines you would need quite a ladder to shecht a giraffe
16/04/2008 02:57:56 * James Jacobs joins Main
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16/04/2008 02:58:31 ‹Russ› All hail!
16/04/2008 02:58:36 ‹Fray›James
16/04/2008 02:58:36 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
16/04/2008 02:58:40 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy Ahoy!
16/04/2008 02:59:04 ‹The Last Rogue› Daigle, when did you sneak in here . . .or have you always been?
16/04/2008 02:59:05 ‹Daigle› What's shakin'?
16/04/2008 02:59:15 ‹Fray› He's always here...
16/04/2008 02:59:16 ‹Daigle› I was lingering and scribbling
16/04/2008 02:59:26 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
16/04/2008 02:59:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Craig!
16/04/2008 02:59:32 * Fray points to Daigle's coot in the corner
16/04/2008 02:59:42 ‹The Last Rogue› Jacobs! Scribe!
16/04/2008 02:59:43 ‹Blazej› Yo! ?
16/04/2008 02:59:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› Good Evening all!
16/04/2008 03:00:20 * Fray points to Fray's spelling error above.
16/04/2008 03:00:56 * The Last Rogue stops looking at Daigle's coot.
16/04/2008 03:01:05 ‹Daigle› It's okay if you point to my coot. I'm not embarassed.
16/04/2008 03:01:08 * Fray changes his/her nickname to Farglik
16/04/2008 03:01:19 * Farglik gives Daigle a melon
16/04/2008 03:01:28 ‹Daigle› Fantastic!
16/04/2008 03:01:37 ‹Farglik› Dude!
16/04/2008 03:02:08 ‹Blazej› I was confused why you were pointing there.
16/04/2008 03:02:16 ‹Russ› Is it an EGG of Coot?
16/04/2008 03:02:22 ‹The Last Rogue› Mr. Jacobs, I imagine you must be happy with the way CotCT is shaping up. Solid first two issues!
16/04/2008 03:02:44 ‹Russ› I'm a little concerned that the adventure didn't address the impact of Heal checks
16/04/2008 03:02:54 * lojakz joins Main
16/04/2008 03:03:05 ‹Farglik› Right on
16/04/2008 03:03:09 ‹Russ› A Heal check against disease is a standard action
16/04/2008 03:03:14 * tensor quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:03:19 ‹lojakz› hello folks
16/04/2008 03:03:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy lojakz!
16/04/2008 03:03:38 ‹Russ› So mechnically (and the mechanics are stupid!), all everyone has to do is perform a heal check on 20 other people a day for two days, and the whole city will make their saving throws
16/04/2008 03:04:12 ‹Russ› Pardon, not quite a standard, but only 10 minutes
16/04/2008 03:04:16 ‹The Last Rogue› Russ -- Obviously no one has thought of that because they are in the grip of a horrible plague
16/04/2008 03:04:18 ‹Russ› Disease is solved! We can all go home!
16/04/2008 03:04:23 ‹Daigle› And that's fun how?
16/04/2008 03:04:31 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: Just like in real life!
16/04/2008 03:04:47 ‹Russ› Oh, just because they took the pains to say why cure disease couldn't do it, but the rules provide a nice easy mechanic other than cure disease
16/04/2008 03:04:48 ‹Farglik› Sure
16/04/2008 03:05:19 ‹Daigle› "Famine in Africa? Get some clerics over there to [i[create food[/i] real quick and mop that up!"
16/04/2008 03:05:34 ‹Russ› I think there's more clerics than that in Korvosa anyhow. but I know I'm going to be enlarge Korvosa to something that fits the footprint better.
16/04/2008 03:05:46 ‹Russ› Daigle - ah, but I'm not relying on magic!
16/04/2008 03:05:55 ‹The Last Rogue› I love my players, because they never realize/squibble over the fact there are quite likely NPCs out there who can do their job for them.
16/04/2008 03:06:28 ‹Daigle› Yep, the game is about the players anyhow!
16/04/2008 03:06:36 * Absinth joins Main
16/04/2008 03:06:43 ‹James Jacobs› I'm BACK!
16/04/2008 03:06:48 ‹James Jacobs› Got distracted for a sec...
16/04/2008 03:06:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
16/04/2008 03:06:56 ‹Daigle› Welcome back!
16/04/2008 03:07:01 ‹The Last Rogue› And, by the by, heal checks are for pansies who cannot channel the ALMIGHTY FERVOR OF THEIR DEITY!!!!!!
16/04/2008 03:07:07 ‹Farglik› Dude!
16/04/2008 03:07:10 ‹Blazej› Hmm... maybe many of the churches are busy with other problems. You know, one of those nobles got a paper cut. You have to treat those right away.
16/04/2008 03:07:15 ‹Absinth› Hey all!
16/04/2008 03:07:50 * Russ thinks the DMG guidelines for class/level distribution are so bad they shouldn't be used
16/04/2008 03:07:54 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; Curse of the Crimson Throne is looking really great. I'm deep into development of "Skeletons of Scarwall" right now for Pathfinder #11, and it's a BIG change from the previous ones. Pretty much a giant dungeon crawl, which I suspect a lot of players will be ready for (I hope).
16/04/2008 03:08:15 ‹Daigle› I think a lot of good players don't pay attention to the piddly things like that, in favor of playing a fun game.
16/04/2008 03:08:22 ‹The Last Rogue› Cool. Any spoilage, say a monster or something?
16/04/2008 03:08:38 * Pygon quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:08:40 ‹Russ› Oops. the mod is misnamed in the PDF
16/04/2008 03:08:52 ‹The Last Rogue› Daigle, true. I've been rolling dice with the pretty much the same guys for about 13 years -- they RAWK!
16/04/2008 03:08:52 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Heal checks are assumed to be part of the work the priests are doing. Honestly... there aren't a LOT of folk in Korvosa with heal checks that are high enough to make that HUGE of a difference.
16/04/2008 03:09:08 ‹lojakz› James> I'm excited for it, real excited for it... of course i'm just got Seven days to the Grave and haven't read it yet, so I'm excited for it too.
16/04/2008 03:09:15 ‹James Jacobs› If the PCs organize a Heal Check campaign, thoguh, that should certainly give them a 400 point body count award though.
16/04/2008 03:09:17 * Absinth brews coffee
16/04/2008 03:09:36 ‹Rambling Scribe›
16/04/2008 03:09:47 ‹Russ› Well, that's why I said the mechanics are bad. An untrained Heal check has a 30% chance of curing the disease, if I'm remembering the DC16 right.
16/04/2008 03:09:51 ‹James Jacobs› But: remember this... the disease isn't just spreading normally in the adventure. It's being ENCOURAGED by the groups and folk who are supposed to be curing it.
16/04/2008 03:10:16 ‹Pygon› hi James - how is Jason holding up?
16/04/2008 03:10:17 ‹Russ› I was just thinking, if the sidebar covered magic, I would have put in skill checks too
16/04/2008 03:10:18 ‹Farglik› Lag.
16/04/2008 03:10:43 ‹The Last Rogue› Scribe, I am encouraging my PbP DM to allow some feats from Art of the Duel. I just so happened to create a PFRPG fighter who wields a rapier a week before that baby went live.
16/04/2008 03:10:53 ‹The Last Rogue› Good timing.
16/04/2008 03:10:58 ‹James Jacobs› Lemme think on the spoilage front for a bit...
16/04/2008 03:11:02 ‹Daigle› Do it Rogue!
16/04/2008 03:11:03 ‹Russ› And as long as twenty _different_ people make the heal check, you'll be able to retry. It is just mechanics abuse
16/04/2008 03:11:31 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, the adventure is indeed misnamed in the PDF. <shrug> I don't have enough energy to rile the troops to fix that particular problem, alas.
16/04/2008 03:11:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› TLR! Cool!
16/04/2008 03:11:45 ‹Daigle› If the real world tweaked rules as much as RPG players did, we'd live in a much better world.
16/04/2008 03:11:47 * Pygon quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:12:13 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Jason is taking the day off... he's starting to get pretty crazed though. Punchy and a bit scary type.
16/04/2008 03:12:27 ‹Pygon› understandable
16/04/2008 03:12:29 ‹The Last Rogue› Daigle, I know that's half the fun for me. "Oh, this is a cool feat. How can I make it better?"
16/04/2008 03:12:47 ‹Russ› James - entirely cosmetic, I only noticed it cause I was trying to open the mod just now
16/04/2008 03:14:09 ‹The Last Rogue› Anybody get a chance to dig through the latest PF Modules? I only scanned them, but River into Darkness looked pretty sweet.
16/04/2008 03:14:15 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway... the rules for disease in the game are pretty screwed up as it is.
16/04/2008 03:14:20 ‹Russ› I've been reading the Demon one
16/04/2008 03:14:31 ‹The Last Rogue› Russ, thoughts?
16/04/2008 03:14:35 ‹Mr Baron› James - as a follow up to my question from last week, which Pathfinder will have Todd's article?
16/04/2008 03:14:47 ‹Mr Baron› Todd Stewart
16/04/2008 03:14:57 ‹Russ› Yeppers. I'm comfortable with the idea of the city not being able to get together enough to cure it. I dislike the two Fort save mechanic for disease in general, I was happy you put Con damage in to explain why folks dont' just shake this one off.
16/04/2008 03:15:31 ‹Russ› I figure a better mechanic would be one DC for not taking damage, and a higher number for shaking it off. Perhaps DC 20 3 days in a row to toss the disease, but DC 16 to avoid getting worse
16/04/2008 03:15:45 ‹Russ› TLR - looks kind of rough for the PCs?
16/04/2008 03:15:49 ‹James Jacobs› But again... keep in mind that the people in the adventure who are SUPPOSED to be treating the disease are encouraging it secretly. That can EASILLY undo even a lot of folk doing Heal checks to combat the sickness.
16/04/2008 03:16:00 ‹paul› panic
16/04/2008 03:16:09 ‹paul› goes along way
16/04/2008 03:16:12 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Which article are you talking about?
16/04/2008 03:16:28 ‹Russ› I'd like to explore more (when I run it) what falls apart in the city. For example, starvation
16/04/2008 03:16:29 ‹Absinth› It's nice to have a warm welcome like this. Thank you guys. Now I'm nearly awake, coffees brewing and I'm ready to talk the talk.
16/04/2008 03:16:42 ‹paul› i aint going in there to heal him i might get sick
16/04/2008 03:16:48 ‹The Last Rogue› You mean challenge-wise? Perhaps a bit above their level?
16/04/2008 03:16:49 ‹Blazej› And it might make the players go "Aha!" when they figure out what it going on.
16/04/2008 03:16:51 ‹Russ› And sanitation should become even more of a problem than usual, with people not taking any effort to move trash past their doorstep
16/04/2008 03:17:28 ‹Russ› With people reluctant to bring food into the city, it'll be an ugly place inside a week. Tons of fun
16/04/2008 03:18:05 ‹James Jacobs› There's a LOT that can go to hell in this situation. We didn't have the room to explore it all in the adventure; we had to stick with the pertinant parts of the adventure itself for obvious reasons. The other types of problems facing the city from these ripple effects are more or less summed up by "Things are bad in Korvosa, and they're getting worse."
16/04/2008 03:18:29 ‹lojakz› Are any of the points that Russ mentions going to be touched on in Escape From Old Korvosa. Isn't that section supposed to under quarantine?
16/04/2008 03:19:07 * Russ quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:19:10 ‹James Jacobs› Old Korvosa is almost a post-apocalyptic scene in Adventure 3, actually.
16/04/2008 03:19:18 ‹Mr Baron› I suspect that it will be an article about Daemons
16/04/2008 03:19:35 ‹lojakz› Sweet!... in a horrible horrible way.
16/04/2008 03:20:09 ‹James Jacobs› As far as I know, all we've got Todd working on so far is a chunk of the Hardcover campaign setting. He and I have been exchanging plenty of emails about how the outer planes work, though; that's for sure.
16/04/2008 03:20:24 ‹Absinth› I'm looking forward to River Into Darkness. I hope it has a Fitzcarraldo / Mosqito Coast like mood.
16/04/2008 03:20:49 ‹Russ› Even the rich areas should be having trouble under plague, although they're more likely to be able to bribe a cleric to make them some food.
16/04/2008 03:20:57 ‹James Jacobs› One could do an entire 256 page source-book about civil unrest and civil disasters, though. For a 50 page adventure and a few 10 page articles, you more or less can't hit on everything.
16/04/2008 03:21:00 ‹Wyvern› Hey we are on already!
16/04/2008 03:21:11 ‹James Jacobs› Fitzcarraldo is awesome!
16/04/2008 03:21:27 ‹Russ› *nods* I wasn't being critical at all with regards t things falling apart, but rather looking forward to expanding on the excellent start
16/04/2008 03:21:43 ‹The Last Rogue› Absinth, I've skimmed it. Got a little of Conrad's Heart of Darkness vibe.
16/04/2008 03:21:55 ‹Russ› Though one criticism I do have is that I think vampire spawn are a little harsh for level 4 PCs
16/04/2008 03:21:58 ‹James Jacobs› Heart of Darkness is very much the main source of inspiration for the adventure.
16/04/2008 03:22:02 ‹Russ› Two hits is a death, no save.
16/04/2008 03:22:23 ‹James Jacobs› yup;
16/04/2008 03:22:30 ‹Absinth› I think the disease rules from PF #8 are done very well.
16/04/2008 03:22:41 ‹James Jacobs› Unless the PCs go there during the day, in which case, 1 stake is a death, no save...
16/04/2008 03:22:45 ‹The Last Rogue› I really need to start planning how I am going to use both the PF modlues and the AP . . .
16/04/2008 03:22:54 ‹The Last Rogue› *modules
16/04/2008 03:22:54 ‹James Jacobs› Vampire spawn ARE bad news though.
16/04/2008 03:23:29 ‹James Jacobs› Originally, River of Darkness had a steam boat going up the river. THAT caused quite a few wars and skirmishes in house here, let me tell you.
16/04/2008 03:23:49 ‹The Last Rogue› Are you on the for or against?
16/04/2008 03:24:07 * Rambling Scribe wondered the same thing
16/04/2008 03:24:08 * Russ quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:24:08 * Timitius is doing the Daddy thing changes his/her nickname to Timitius
16/04/2008 03:24:17 ‹James Jacobs› But as for those vampires... I suspect that PCs will have enough XP by then to be 5th level. Honestly... you can hit level 5 EASY just doing Edge of Anarchy.
16/04/2008 03:24:26 ‹The Last Rogue› I've only skimmed it, but if I recall, the boat still does really on a unique mode of propulsion.
16/04/2008 03:24:30 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah. Handle those vampire spawn with care. Especially if your group has no clerics.
16/04/2008 03:25:03 ‹The Last Rogue› *rely
16/04/2008 03:25:05 ‹James Jacobs› I'm very much against steam boats in Golarion. We may explore a steampunk level of something some day... but that level of technology is too much for Pathfinder.
16/04/2008 03:25:06 ‹Farglik› how about a row boat going up river?
16/04/2008 03:25:20 * Russ is thinking he'll expand the death mechanic, charge the party a percentage of the possible lives saved for each day a given problem goes unaddressed
16/04/2008 03:25:31 * Absinth wonders where all his posts are going.
16/04/2008 03:25:39 ‹Russ› A bound elemental makes more sense to me, if you want a power boat. Your call as to wind or water.
16/04/2008 03:25:54 ‹The Last Rogue› I go back and forth on this. I think at the end of the day I like a little tech. Some flintlocks, maybe an area or two that have little more going on.
16/04/2008 03:26:00 ‹James Jacobs› There's actually been quite a few growing pains over the amount of technology that creeps into Golarion. I personally feel that there's been TOO MUCH tech creep in the Modules, but then again... there ARE technology ascpects to the world.
16/04/2008 03:26:12 ‹Blazej› Not fire, earth, or even heart?
16/04/2008 03:26:17 ‹The Last Rogue› JJ, like what?
16/04/2008 03:26:21 ‹The Last Rogue› Wand Rifle?
16/04/2008 03:26:29 ‹Wyvern› Eek!
16/04/2008 03:26:31 ‹Russ› It is very much a genie issue. Every piece of tech you poke into fantasy tends to both stay and be expanded on.
16/04/2008 03:26:48 ‹Russ› I kind of like that minotaur double crossbow.
16/04/2008 03:26:56 ‹Farglik› Gun Feats!!!!
16/04/2008 03:27:04 ‹James Jacobs› It's just a little unfortunate that so many of the earlier modules had so much tech elements. Since they were the first few modules, it gave an inaccurate skew to the tech level of the world. Introducing technology is something, I think, should be done gently, and only AFTER you've already established the game world's tone and flavor.
16/04/2008 03:27:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a fan of the wand rifle at all.
16/04/2008 03:27:21 ‹The Last Rogue› lol
16/04/2008 03:27:31 ‹The Last Rogue› I am trying to remember all the modules and the techy things now:
16/04/2008 03:27:37 ‹The Last Rogue› granule swarm construct
16/04/2008 03:27:48 ‹Russ› I'm pleased you made the crossbow two shots with one two hit roll, I like that mechanic better for a standard action shot
16/04/2008 03:27:58 ‹James Jacobs› Shoulda been a wandbow, or a wandcaster or something based on a crossbow design. Rifle refers to the rifling of a gun barrel, and the word itself is thus anachronistic and doesn't make any sense. Nor does the look of the item.
16/04/2008 03:28:06 * Joey Virtue joins Main
16/04/2008 03:28:07 ‹Wyvern› Make tech lost art things, Dying Earth-like. That way you avoid the genie problem.
16/04/2008 03:28:12 * Takasi joins Main
16/04/2008 03:28:13 ‹James Jacobs› There was a reactor and nannites in Seven Swords of Sin, although those got toned down a bit.
16/04/2008 03:28:23 ‹The Last Rogue› Thats right!
16/04/2008 03:28:26 ‹James Jacobs› And a hot air balloon in Crucible of Chaos, I believe, at one point.
16/04/2008 03:28:26 ‹Russ› Good, the wand rifle is being stripped from my game if I use that mod
16/04/2008 03:28:27 ‹Blazej› Kobold King traps were a bit techy I think.
16/04/2008 03:28:27 ‹Timitius› OK....(pant, pant) caught up!
16/04/2008 03:28:30 ‹Daigle› Howdy Joey and Takasi
16/04/2008 03:28:36 ‹Takasi› greetings
16/04/2008 03:28:44 ‹Joey Virtue› Thouse are great in seven swrds
16/04/2008 03:28:53 ‹Absinth› Hi!
16/04/2008 03:28:55 ‹Joey Virtue› i love that adventure
16/04/2008 03:29:13 ‹James Jacobs› But had I a time machine... I would have gone back and foucsed more on the primary themes of Golarion rather than get crazy so soon.
16/04/2008 03:29:18 ‹Russ› Heehee. I loved the hot air balloon in Saberhagen's Empire of the East.
16/04/2008 03:29:22 ‹Absinth› Yes, SSoS is one of my favorite Paizo mods too.
16/04/2008 03:29:28 ‹The Last Rogue› You know one thing I find myself leaning to more and more, that D&D doesn't always do well, is low-magic, gritty game.
16/04/2008 03:29:38 ‹Joey Virtue› Im putting it int ROTRL
16/04/2008 03:29:48 ‹James Jacobs› Low magic is hard to do with D&D.
16/04/2008 03:29:49 ‹The Last Rogue› James Jacobs, but you must give the people what they want! They demand crazy output!
16/04/2008 03:29:56 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion is a middle magic realm.
16/04/2008 03:30:02 ‹Joey Virtue› Low magic is best done in Ravenloft
16/04/2008 03:30:07 ‹Wyvern› It depends on what do you mean by low magic.
16/04/2008 03:30:18 ‹Russ› I find low magic is hard to mix with PC spellcasters, so good call.
16/04/2008 03:30:20 ‹James Jacobs› I can give the people what they want, sure... but I can also give the people what they should have... I HAVE THE POWER!
16/04/2008 03:30:25 ‹lojakz› Which is precisely why I like Golarion, because it's just right.
16/04/2008 03:30:25 ‹The Last Rogue› It is. And I'm fine with that. You just have to make sure that it is still dramatic and not a solve-all for the PCs
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16/04/2008 03:30:34 ‹James Jacobs› Pathifnder itself is doing Quite Well without getting to crazy.
16/04/2008 03:30:43 ‹Timitius› Low magic=hardly any magic items given out.
16/04/2008 03:31:00 ‹Timitius› OK...not really. That's low magic to ME.
16/04/2008 03:31:01 ‹The Last Rogue› Actually, James, I know you have mentioned that you are not a huge fan of wizards as they are, but personally, I like being really harsh on the wizards in my game
16/04/2008 03:31:01 ‹Russ› Low magic also should imply a lot of issues with tossing magic around
16/04/2008 03:31:12 ‹Wyvern› I do low magic, but for me it means normal people do not have ready access to magic. The "cleric" of the village may not be a cleric at all; no nagic marts, etc.
16/04/2008 03:31:19 ‹The Last Rogue› Pay for the spellbook, the ink, make the checks . . .it makes my games seem a bit more gritty
16/04/2008 03:31:21 ‹Russ› Low magic means your average person does not understand or experience magic much if at all. They probably will burn you for casting a light spell.
16/04/2008 03:31:22 ‹Wyvern› But, PCs are not normal and they kill monsters.
16/04/2008 03:31:28 ‹Wyvern› They do have magic items.
16/04/2008 03:31:43 ‹James Jacobs› It makes wizards seem a bit more unappealing to me as a character class I'd like to play, that's for sure.
16/04/2008 03:31:49 ‹Absinth›
16/04/2008 03:32:04 ‹The Last Rogue› I actually like the fact that Wizards get penalized for having the potential to be *the most powerful PC class.
16/04/2008 03:32:05 ‹James Jacobs› Do your players enjoy playing wizards, Last Rogue? If they do, more power to ya.
16/04/2008 03:32:11 ‹The Last Rogue› * My opinion only
16/04/2008 03:32:14 ‹Joey Virtue› Wizards are fun in low magic cause u are the man
16/04/2008 03:32:16 ‹Russ› I love spellbooks and crafting. But in nearly every edition of the rules, you've had to ignore what the rules say about how you do it to avoid the wizard having 2x the downtime of anyone else.
16/04/2008 03:32:31 ‹Russ› Nah, druids are the most powerful class, everyone knows thatYour browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 03:32:35 ‹The Last Rogue› They do, but then again, we are all friends and they are used to my crazy DMing ways.
16/04/2008 03:32:45 ‹James Jacobs› I disagree that they have the potential to be the most powerful PC class. I think that the weird inflated level of importance people ascribe to high level wizard spells is just that; inflated.
16/04/2008 03:32:46 ‹The Last Rogue› I imagine I'd go easier on some newbies.
16/04/2008 03:32:57 ‹Joey Virtue› I got here late rogue what do u do?
16/04/2008 03:32:57 ‹Timitius› Yeah, I have yet to play in a game that requires me to HAVE all the spell components in my inventory....
16/04/2008 03:32:59 ‹The Last Rogue› Really?
16/04/2008 03:33:01 ‹James Jacobs› High level cleric spells are just as earthshaking. And they wear armor and have twice as many hit points.
16/04/2008 03:33:21 ‹James Jacobs› Druids can become VERY powerful, yes.
16/04/2008 03:33:37 ‹The Last Rogue› Yeah, but I think that the inherent fact Clerics have a role they are often forced into by their party diminshes their power
16/04/2008 03:33:48 ‹The Last Rogue› People expect you to heal them.
16/04/2008 03:33:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› The psionic classes seem more powerful than their arcane/divine counterpats, at least to me.
16/04/2008 03:33:50 ‹Joey Virtue› Yeah in our game only spell componets you have to have written down is stuff over 50gp
16/04/2008 03:34:01 ‹Russ› I have very little nice to say about PC clerics who don't heal.
16/04/2008 03:34:07 ‹James Jacobs› Many of the games I've played in or run have parties without wizards. The closest they come is alternate wizards, like warlocks or bards or beguilers. And those parties work just fine.
16/04/2008 03:34:09 ‹lojakz› Joey Virtue
16/04/2008 03:34:14 ‹Russ› That's like playing a rogue who doesn't spring traps, or a fighter who doesn't do damage.
16/04/2008 03:34:16 ‹lojakz› lol, sorry. was going to add more
16/04/2008 03:34:28 ‹lojakz› that's a very good guide line and similiar to one I use.
16/04/2008 03:34:39 ‹Absinth› But I don't think these facts eliminate low magic, gritty settings. JUst limit spellcasting classes.
16/04/2008 03:34:42 ‹The Last Rogue› Russ, exactly. For me players do not go into the cleric class to become a bad ass, hence, they do not become one.
16/04/2008 03:34:46 ‹James Jacobs› Psionc classes are broken/powerful because they can empty their reserves all at once. They can dump out an entire resivoir of power in one encounter, whereas other spellcasters are limited by the width of the hose they use to empty it.
16/04/2008 03:34:59 ‹The Last Rogue› People do go into the wizard class expecting ot charm, destroy, and summon and they do.
16/04/2008 03:35:01 * tensor joins Main
16/04/2008 03:35:07 ‹The Last Rogue› Hope that kind of makes sense.
16/04/2008 03:35:12 ‹Samwise› i think people constantly overestimate just how "easy" it is for memorization spellcasters to know exactly what spells to have prepared at all times
16/04/2008 03:35:18 ‹Timitius› I'd have to agree with JJ...clerics tend to become the most powerful. I'm thinking of Stephen's Adso, James. Some of the crap he pulled was some serious power....
16/04/2008 03:35:20 ‹Takasi› James, what do you think is the average length of an engagement in Korvosan nobility?
16/04/2008 03:35:20 ‹James Jacobs› And if a psionic character empties the resivoir in encounter 1, and he then says "we need to rest" and the PCs do... the disadvantage of him having spent all his resources in one battle goes away.
16/04/2008 03:35:25 ‹Samwise› and to avoid any possible downtime while memorizing new spells
16/04/2008 03:35:31 ‹Russ› *nods* I've been looking into the intellect devourer (as replacing the mind flayer) since last chat, and I was disheartened to find out I'll have to go down the psionics path to do much with it.
16/04/2008 03:35:42 ‹lojakz› Curious JJ, how do you feel about Green Ronin's Psychic class? Or anyone that's seen it for that matter? I'm not a fan of Psionics, but on the surface I really like the Psychic class.
16/04/2008 03:35:46 ‹Daigle› If you all were to run in a party where all four players were all one class, which one would it be?
16/04/2008 03:36:01 ‹James Jacobs› Clerics can charm, destroy, and summon as good as wizards. Especially if they take the right domains. Druids have an even easier time of it (except the charm part, I guess).
16/04/2008 03:36:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: Clerics
16/04/2008 03:36:02 ‹Russ› Daigle - cleric. No question.
16/04/2008 03:36:04 ‹The Last Rogue› Samwise, but that ignores metagaming right. Most veteran players can take a fair guess at what spells may be useful.
16/04/2008 03:36:24 ‹Russ› Clerics can't deal out damage as good as wizards, though druids can.
16/04/2008 03:36:31 ‹Joey Virtue› Yeah i would say clerics are a party
16/04/2008 03:36:38 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Average length of engagement in Korvosan nobility? Probably a year. Maybe longer. They're slow and traditional and not prone to impulsive relationships.
16/04/2008 03:36:39 ‹Absinth› James, if you play D&D in NWN style, then you are right. Otherwise I disagree with Psionics being broken. Powerful and very flexible yes, but not broken.
16/04/2008 03:36:43 * Daigle picks rogue...with cleric as a second.....but you guys might be right.
16/04/2008 03:36:46 ‹Samwise› TLR>metagaming is all well and good, but dms get access to a swarm of monster books
16/04/2008 03:36:50 ‹The Last Rogue› James Jacobs, I feel that they do not do so as well at mid-levels, but yes to high levels. What I am trying to say is that Clerics get torn between healing, melee, and support while
16/04/2008 03:36:55 ‹The Last Rogue› wizards are free to let loose
16/04/2008 03:37:00 ‹Russ› Clerics are about a level down on damage from a wizard, which isn't bad.
16/04/2008 03:37:03 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle: Rogues, but at least one of them would have UMD
16/04/2008 03:37:10 ‹Russ› Since bards are 2-3 levels down.
16/04/2008 03:37:17 ‹Russ› (I mean spell levels, not class)
16/04/2008 03:37:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: ranger, rogue or Paladin are close to each other for second for me.
16/04/2008 03:37:33 ‹The Last Rogue› and hence I feel that often in campaigns that get high level, it is the wizard who is both capable and in the mindset of being the offensive juggernaut
16/04/2008 03:37:37 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Depends... While intellect devourers are psionic... so are mind flayers. You can do a non-psionic intellect devourer pretty well, and when we get to detailig them (prolly in the Darklands book, which it looks like I'm gonna write!) we'll certainly present a non-psionic option for them.
16/04/2008 03:37:43 ‹Takasi› can you tell us a little bit about the Korvosan navy?
16/04/2008 03:37:44 ‹Absinth› Daigele, I'd go rogue...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 03:37:58 ‹The Last Rogue› ROGUE!
16/04/2008 03:38:02 ‹Russ› James> I would happily share my developing notes on intellect devourer factions and feats
16/04/2008 03:38:03 * Daigle cheers on his roguish brothers!
16/04/2008 03:38:13 ‹Pygon› originally I didn't see clerics as much more than just healers as I tried out 3.x, because the NPCs I played had such poor spell selections. They might have 3 or 4 spells that could hurt, and the rest seemed like utility spells. Once the minions were dead, all the cleric could do was swing his mace or word of recall away
16/04/2008 03:38:17 ‹Samwise› eventually you wind up with both playing vizzini, trying to outhink the other
16/04/2008 03:38:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Clerics CAN keep up with wizard damage... their damage dealing just works different by buffing other players rather than being flashy.
16/04/2008 03:38:20 ‹The Last Rogue› or, oddly enough now that I have somewhat argued in favor of wizards, SORCERERS!
16/04/2008 03:38:33 ‹Timitius› Every wizard I've seen played casts their spells and then resorts to pulling out the crossbow and delaying actions for their shot.
16/04/2008 03:38:34 ‹tensor› since it is becoming a poll: rogue
16/04/2008 03:38:41 ‹Samwise› "you must have know i would prepare that spell, so surely you could not be using that monster!"
16/04/2008 03:38:50 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Each time I've seen psionics in a game... they've basically made two or three other characters in the party useless and second wheels. It's frustrating.
16/04/2008 03:39:12 ‹Samwise› "but only a complete idiot would not expect me to the other monster instead, so surely you must not have prepared that spell!"
16/04/2008 03:39:13 ‹Farglik› Daigle Warblade
16/04/2008 03:39:15 ‹The Last Rogue› James Jacobs, I think that is a good point. Perhaps one I did not consider. But you know what, I bet you a lot of players do not consider that damage they're doing either. good point
16/04/2008 03:39:20 ‹Joey Virtue› The Psions are fun the last one i played was a cerbromancer
16/04/2008 03:39:29 ‹Daigle› Watch it, Fray!
16/04/2008 03:39:33 ‹Joey Virtue› so i was the mage and teh psion
16/04/2008 03:39:35 ‹The Last Rogue› Samwise, lol
16/04/2008 03:39:44 ‹Timitius› Daigle: Dragon shaman, all of differing dragon totems!
16/04/2008 03:39:51 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> There's not much to say about Korvosa's navy... in that they don't really have one. The navy stuff is left to other cities like Palin's Cove or Veldraine.
16/04/2008 03:39:56 ‹Daigle› You too, Tim!
16/04/2008 03:39:59 ‹Daigle›
16/04/2008 03:40:09 ‹Farglik› Timitus Good pick too!
16/04/2008 03:40:12 ‹Joey Virtue› Psion to blast mage to support
16/04/2008 03:40:13 ‹The Last Rogue› What if you had to assemble a 3-man party to raid a temple of some sort of evil, perhaps some sort of elemental evil. Which 3 classes are in?
16/04/2008 03:40:14 ‹Timitius›
16/04/2008 03:40:17 ‹Samwise› thats how i see trying to out metagame massive spell vs monster selection, its just a waste of effort
16/04/2008 03:40:19 ‹Joey Virtue› its a great mix
16/04/2008 03:40:22 ‹Takasi› what about shipbuilding James Jacobs?
16/04/2008 03:40:35 ‹Russ› Hmm. I separate buff from raw damage. What wizards have in spades is the ability to control battle tempo. Clerics do as well, but in a more reactive fashion. Both together do it better than either alone, but that falls into other classes taking the wizard's roll. Personally, I think warlocks are the worst sub-in, due to the inherently selfish nature of the mechanics for that class.
16/04/2008 03:40:40 ‹Farglik› Daigle just because you can't handle Warblade and Dragon Shaman...
16/04/2008 03:40:54 ‹Daigle› Yeah...so.
16/04/2008 03:40:56 ‹Daigle›
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16/04/2008 03:41:17 ‹Blazej› Hmm... I played a Wilder recently and was easy dealing the most damage in the party. My power point total never really was an issue since most games two battles in a day was a large number of battles.
16/04/2008 03:41:20 ‹Farglik› Last Rogue... Warblade, Dragon fire Adept, Binder
16/04/2008 03:41:22 ‹Daigle› Howdy Watcher!
16/04/2008 03:41:23 ‹The Last Rogue› Russ, but I think warlocks have a rock solid concept behind them. The idea of pacts, and dark magic needs a solidified place in fantasy gaming.
16/04/2008 03:41:25 ‹Absinth› I played a psion (kineticist) in one of our last campaigns and we had no problem. On low levels it outruns wizards because of the flexibility thing and feels slightly more powerful, but we felt that on mid levels this isn't the case anymore.
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16/04/2008 03:41:32 ‹James Jacobs› Thing is... the PC playing the wizard gets to be flashy. He has immediate justification and can feel like he's the "hero." He's out there being noisy, and getting attention. The cleric (and the bard and other support classes) appeal to other players, in my experience; players who are less interested in being the Big Damage Dealer.
16/04/2008 03:41:39 ‹Russ› I think DMs need to be more aggressive about punishing resting.
16/04/2008 03:41:40 ‹The Last Rogue› Personally, I love the thaumaturge. Would love to see a PFRPG rtake.
16/04/2008 03:41:49 * tensor just can not stay awake.
16/04/2008 03:42:02 ‹The Last Rogue› Binder!
16/04/2008 03:42:09 ‹James Jacobs› Last Rogue> For a 3 man party to raid an evil temple... I'd send a cleric, a bard, and a paladin.
16/04/2008 03:42:12 * Daigle hums a lullaby to tensor.
16/04/2008 03:42:21 ‹Samwise› James>i think that is the bigger issue, a failure to truly appreciate that people do actually like playing totally different types of characters
16/04/2008 03:42:26 ‹The Last Rogue› commoner, commoner, aristocrat
16/04/2008 03:42:26 ‹Rambling Scribe›
16/04/2008 03:42:36 ‹Farglik› I have had the Cleric kick much Bootay! I like being a front line fighter type as a cleric...
16/04/2008 03:42:38 ‹Russ› The pendulum in D&D has swung very far towards things only happening when the party is ready. We need dungeons that are active, not reactive, and events that happen on schedule, not when the PCs show up.
16/04/2008 03:42:39 ‹Daigle› Three experts!
16/04/2008 03:42:40 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Shipbuilding doesn't really happen at all in Korvosa. I believe Palin's Cove is where most of the region's ships are built.
16/04/2008 03:42:41 ‹Samwise› a failure in some class balance analyses that is
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16/04/2008 03:43:03 ‹Blazej› I might have been happier with the wilder if I had to decide how many power points I wanted to use. I easily just used full power ever time and ran out of points one time.
16/04/2008 03:43:11 ‹Farglik› Russ active dungeons! Cool!
16/04/2008 03:43:17 ‹The Last Rogue› JJ, I swear I am not picking on you and that B-man did not put me up to this. But bards, c'mon?
16/04/2008 03:43:17 ‹Timitius› The most fun I've ever had playing a spellcaster.....Warmage.
16/04/2008 03:43:24 ‹Pygon› I'm all for active dungeons
16/04/2008 03:43:38 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> yeah. Not everyone wants to play the blaster or the front-line fighter. Some players (like me) VASTLY prefer the more subtle classes or the support classes.
16/04/2008 03:43:38 ‹Wyvern› Russ, I disagree. The game is about the PCs. If stuff happens and the PCs are not there, there is no fun.
16/04/2008 03:43:53 ‹The Last Rogue› I realize they have a place in fantasy gaming, and that they should. But I simply cannot deal with the fact that while combat is going on they are sometimes . . .
16/04/2008 03:44:01 ‹Samwise› James>me as well, go summoner/battlefield control wizard!
16/04/2008 03:44:04 ‹Russ› Wyvern> but the 15 minute adventuring day is the inevitable result of creating no penalties for taking your time
16/04/2008 03:44:07 ‹The Last Rogue› singing or chanting or strumming their lute.
16/04/2008 03:44:10 ‹lojakz› One thing i try to do is every game i'm a player in I play a different class. it's fun... it's challenging. I've not yet repeated a class, and i've only taken a prestige class once. But I get tremendous satisfaction out of playing support classes.
16/04/2008 03:44:40 ‹Farglik› I always had a prolem with dungeons that have monsters (alive) locked in a room for years... Where's your FRICKIN' FOOD?!?!
16/04/2008 03:44:41 ‹Russ› The Last Rogue> Fingering their flute, like hte halfling?
16/04/2008 03:44:41 ‹Samwise› the only serious problem with bards is . . .
16/04/2008 03:44:44 ‹Wyvern› There should be consequences, yes. But in general the adventure should not happen without the PCs.
16/04/2008 03:44:46 ‹James Jacobs› Bards are GREAT fun. They also suffer from, I suspect, the fact that the folks designing them for 3.0 didn't like them. They had no champions to make sure the design that went into them was the best it could be. They got saved till last, and it shows; they didn't have enough time in devleopment or playtest.
16/04/2008 03:44:49 ‹Pygon› Wyvern - having an active dungeon might give the PC's a chance to scout and decide the best way to approach (or when), and move schedules forward and determine reactions if the PC's decide to retreat. I'd like to see more of those kinds of things in adventure design
16/04/2008 03:44:55 ‹Russ› Dungeon ecologies!
16/04/2008 03:44:55 ‹Timitius› The Last Rogue: I've seen James Jacobs play a bard...showed me the bard class in a whole new light....
16/04/2008 03:44:56 ‹Hill Giant› TRL: That's because they only show bards with lutes, they should have real instruments of war, like a bagpipe
16/04/2008 03:45:08 ‹Daigle› 15 minute 15 schminute.....if you blow your load at the first encounter, you don't get a second date! Dem's dey rules!
16/04/2008 03:45:10 ‹Samwise› there is so much non-core stiff that makes them insanely overpowered
16/04/2008 03:45:16 ‹Samwise› so the core bards come off as weak
16/04/2008 03:45:22 ‹The Last Rogue› Methinks, that bards either need to be less tied to *music as power source or totally tied to it and get some almost warlock like abilities via music
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16/04/2008 03:45:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yay Bagpipes!
16/04/2008 03:45:37 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Not all bards strum instruments. You can have orators, or dancers, or comedians... the Perform skill is very wide-reaching. Bardic music is kinda lazilly written though. I mean... why should silence hurt "bardic music" if you're using Perform (dance)?
16/04/2008 03:45:45 ‹The Last Rogue› I know
16/04/2008 03:45:57 ‹Russ› I love orator bards. And I had a bard that performed via ribald poetry.
16/04/2008 03:46:01 ‹Samwise› or worse, air guitar
16/04/2008 03:46:16 ‹Russ› Bards need a spell to dispel silence.
16/04/2008 03:46:22 ‹The Last Rogue› I know, but perfoming anything during an encounter with 3 kobolds and a 1/2 dragon flind is kind of wierd, you know?
16/04/2008 03:46:22 ‹James Jacobs› But bards are cool because the more allies you have, the tougher they get. A bard makes an entire party stronger.
16/04/2008 03:46:29 ‹Russ› (they probably have one somewhere)
16/04/2008 03:46:30 ‹Pygon› precisely
16/04/2008 03:46:31 ‹Blazej› I would like to see a bard strum an instrument. Too often they go for something that doesn't fill their hands.
16/04/2008 03:46:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› I've played many bards who used oratory, mostly as giving useful guidance and commands.
16/04/2008 03:46:39 ‹Farglik› Daigle it depends on the load delivery... 2nd dates happen.
16/04/2008 03:46:40 ‹lojakz› personally I would like to see Bards done more like skalds rather than troubadours.
16/04/2008 03:46:43 ‹Hill Giant› Several historical cultures brought musicians into combat
16/04/2008 03:46:48 ‹Pygon› bard sings once, everyone's good for 6 rounds and he can do other stuff
16/04/2008 03:46:51 ‹Wyvern› Bards were left for last in 3e? Kinda like bards being left for the 3rd Alpha? ...Zing!
16/04/2008 03:46:54 ‹James Jacobs› The bard I created for Jason's game POWERED through that dungeon. I still kinda think Jason killed her off on purpose.
16/04/2008 03:47:04 ‹Wyvern›
16/04/2008 03:47:11 ‹The Last Rogue› I realize that too. I have no problem with what the bard does, just how they do it. Purely a mechanical issue. Concept = good, effect = good, the process of achieving effect = corny
16/04/2008 03:47:14 ‹Russ› Bards need to be rewarded for tying up their hands in battle, there's too little reward for choosingto play instead of chant
16/04/2008 03:47:16 ‹Watcher› I like the class, unfortunately I've only seen bards played unimaginatively. Though I don't blame the class for that
16/04/2008 03:47:22 ‹Samwise› James>indeed, i've had few bards at tables i've played and run, but yumping yiminiy! the power multiplier effect can become obscene
16/04/2008 03:47:23 ‹Farglik› Bards = blech
16/04/2008 03:47:31 ‹Absinth› Damned lag, half my posts are getting eaten. Frustrating...
16/04/2008 03:47:36 ‹Farglik› Perform 3.0 > Perfrom 3.5
16/04/2008 03:47:40 ‹Samwise› it may read as a +10% shift
16/04/2008 03:47:43 ‹Takasi› thank you very much James Jacobs for Lini, that's the type of art I enjoy
16/04/2008 03:47:45 ‹Russ› 3.0 bard was harmed by how powerful it was to dip into it, due to your perform ranks being all that mattered
16/04/2008 03:47:52 ‹Farglik› The new Perform stinky poo-poos everywhere
16/04/2008 03:47:59 ‹Samwise› the effect has synergies that make it significantly more potent
16/04/2008 03:48:05 ‹Hill Giant› TLR: OK, I agree
16/04/2008 03:48:05 ‹Russ› Was it the old perform that gave you one technique per rank?
16/04/2008 03:48:07 ‹Wyvern› Lini rules! My favorite iconic!
16/04/2008 03:48:10 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs: yeah. I was very bummed when your bard died. All those tasty bonuses.....gone....Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 03:48:15 ‹The Last Rogue› VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16/04/2008 03:48:26 ‹Farglik› Lini = hawt
16/04/2008 03:48:32 ‹Russ› Because you know, 3.5e is SO rich on skill points (or feats, versatile performer) that you should make a bard burn up even MORE ranks
16/04/2008 03:48:40 ‹Daigle› The new iconic is rad, but she's no Merisiel
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16/04/2008 03:48:50 ‹Farglik› Russ no shit
16/04/2008 03:49:02 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> yeah... bards always seem to be left for last. Perhaps because the people who generally end up designing games are more into the crunch of the game and not as much into the flavor and story of the game (which is the bard's strength) that they put that off until the end.
16/04/2008 03:49:03 ‹Timitius› Lini reminds me of Nature in Fantasia 2000.
16/04/2008 03:49:05 ‹Russ› This poor party right now - I hope they don't run into many traps
16/04/2008 03:49:13 ‹Farglik› Like Perform... :bah: no worth it...
16/04/2008 03:49:39 ‹The Last Rogue› I love skills.
16/04/2008 03:49:42 ‹Russ› Hmm. Does that mean the last iconic party is barbarian, monk, ranger and fighter/sorc? Dang, they;'re gonna SUCK
16/04/2008 03:49:45 ‹The Last Rogue› I have an unhealthy obsession with them
16/04/2008 03:49:48 ‹Russ› No, the ranger is in this one...
16/04/2008 03:49:50 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... The important thing for game designers to keep in mind is that you're not designing the game for yourself. There's a LOT of gamers out there, and they all have different likes and dislikes.
16/04/2008 03:49:57 ‹Russ› Druid instead of ranger, not totally sucky
16/04/2008 03:50:03 ‹The Last Rogue› Even when I play fighters, I inevitably put a 14 or so in INT just for more skills
16/04/2008 03:50:06 ‹Farglik› I like skills too..... but Perform 3.5 BLOOOOOWs
16/04/2008 03:50:19 ‹James Jacobs› For example... if I were building a game JUST FOR ME... I'd cut out my least favorite race (dwarves) and my least favorite class (paladin). That would be bad for the game.
16/04/2008 03:50:27 ‹Farglik› TLR Yeah, I hate a stupid fighter
16/04/2008 03:50:34 ‹Samwise› TLR>thats why i love when people say fighters get two or more dumps stats, cha and int
16/04/2008 03:50:39 ‹Russ› I'd drop sorcerers like a brick.
16/04/2008 03:50:47 ‹Farglik› James not really...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 03:50:49 ‹Timitius› Farglik: Blowing could be a Perform skill.....Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 03:50:49 ‹The Last Rogue› JJ< we finally I agree! (not on Dwarves, I love Dwarves) but paladins . . .adios!
16/04/2008 03:50:54 ‹lojakz› NOT DWARVES JAMES, NOT DWARVES
16/04/2008 03:50:55 ‹Russ› And races - gnomes. Gnomes suck.
16/04/2008 03:50:55 ‹Takasi› maybe for a company trying to make money, but for a DM that's exactly how you make a game James Jacobs
16/04/2008 03:51:03 ‹Wyvern› Russ, hear! Hear!
16/04/2008 03:51:10 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Thanks; but it's Wayne who you should thank. My involvement there was more or less to write about 3 sentances describing Lini to Wayne. He did the hard part!
16/04/2008 03:51:11 ‹Samwise› gnomes are a cool dwarven subrace
16/04/2008 03:51:12 ‹Russ› No one can make up their bleeping mind if gnomes are hippies or short dwarves.
16/04/2008 03:51:13 ‹The Last Rogue› Samwise, I hate that word - dump stat
16/04/2008 03:51:13 ‹Wyvern› Not about gnomes
16/04/2008 03:51:14 ‹Farglik› Timitus only iwith Perform 3.0
16/04/2008 03:51:18 ‹Russ› Or clowns with no makeup.
16/04/2008 03:51:19 ‹Wyvern› About sorcerers!
16/04/2008 03:51:24 ‹Samwise› plus, they are the most evil race of greyhawk
16/04/2008 03:51:25 ‹The Last Rogue› though this morning, I thought I add like an 18 in my dump stat
16/04/2008 03:51:27 ‹Samwise›
16/04/2008 03:51:31 ‹Farglik› Whipser Gnomes Rule!
16/04/2008 03:51:38 ‹Pygon› sorcerors are useful but mine always end up with the same dang spell list
16/04/2008 03:51:39 * Takasi hates whisper gnomes.
16/04/2008 03:51:57 ‹Russ› Pathfinder RPG should consider fixing movement rates for small humanoids. Notice that kobolds and goblins have speed 30
16/04/2008 03:52:03 ‹Rambling Scribe› TLR: Nice...
16/04/2008 03:52:08 ‹The Last Rogue› Thank you, thank you! I'll be here next week too!
16/04/2008 03:52:12 ‹James Jacobs› I think my favorite iconic right now would have to be a battle between Merisiel and Amiri. Not sure which of those two I like more. One of the things I do like about them, I must admit, is that they each have a design choice that riles up the numbercrunchers...
16/04/2008 03:52:16 ‹Farglik› Pygon... no kidding... at least the same core spells.
16/04/2008 03:52:33 ‹The Last Rogue› A 3rd grade humor the lifeblood of middle America
16/04/2008 03:52:43 ‹Hill Giant› Random thought: Perform should be a feat that lets you use Diplomacy without language, and bards should get it for free.
16/04/2008 03:52:52 ‹Farglik› The Sandshaper PrC is great for sorcs
16/04/2008 03:52:54 ‹Samwise› TLR>i find most people who get too "assertive" about dump stats have a very limited appreciation of the evils of character optimization that can be had through twisting them
16/04/2008 03:52:56 ‹Daigle› Merisiel having a low int?
16/04/2008 03:53:03 * The Last Rogue has spelled almost everything wrong this evening
16/04/2008 03:53:05 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> No... the Second Darkness iconic is monk, barbarian, druid, and fighter/sorcerer. They'll be fine.
16/04/2008 03:53:13 ‹Russ› Nah, rangers don't get survival for free. Wizards don't get spellcraft.
16/04/2008 03:53:23 ‹Farglik› I hate having any low stats...
16/04/2008 03:53:25 ‹James Jacobs› A little light on healing though. But they'll tough it out!
16/04/2008 03:53:29 ‹Russ› James> Yeah, I figured that out, for some reason I was thinking no pure arcane and no divine, which would be hooooosed
16/04/2008 03:53:40 ‹Farglik› I'd rather have 12's across than a 10 in something
16/04/2008 03:53:54 ‹The Last Rogue› Samwise, likely true. I am not much of an optimizer, I find the game more fun for me if I can roleplay out a cool aspect of a character.
16/04/2008 03:54:21 ‹James Jacobs› Dwarves... hate em. Check out the run of Dungeon from 103 to the end. Not many dwarf illos! MWA HAHAHAHAAH! That'd partially be my fault, I must admit...
16/04/2008 03:54:21 ‹The Last Rogue› I am loving my character in Ross B.'s CotCT. Rapier-wielding smartass !
16/04/2008 03:54:26 ‹Farglik› TLR you can roleplay a Muchkin charater just as well...
16/04/2008 03:54:29 ‹Timitius› I love having at least one LOW score....makes the character far more interesting. Roleplaying abounds!
16/04/2008 03:54:37 ‹The Last Rogue› Farglik, I agree
16/04/2008 03:54:48 ‹Russ› Timit> Me too. I usually have an 8 somewhere
16/04/2008 03:54:49 ‹James Jacobs› NO! GNOMES ARE NOT A DWARF SUBRACE! NOOOOOOOO!!!!
16/04/2008 03:54:53 ‹The Last Rogue› Its just that for whatever reason I don't.
16/04/2008 03:54:55 ‹Samwise› dwarf hater!
16/04/2008 03:55:00 ‹Takasi› you hate dwarves? have you no soul lad?
16/04/2008 03:55:01 * Daigle could give a poop about dwarves too.
16/04/2008 03:55:03 ‹Samwise› gnomes are too a dwarven subrace
16/04/2008 03:55:05 ‹Russ› Wizard - 8 Wis. Holy liberator - 8 Int. Occult slayer - 6 cha.
16/04/2008 03:55:13 ‹Timitius› Bearded barrels!
16/04/2008 03:55:13 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I drop your name liberally when my dwarf player complains about the lack of Player Support.
16/04/2008 03:55:17 ‹Farglik› My favorite low score that I saw played... My buddy playd a goblin druid with a 6 Cha... he rocked!
16/04/2008 03:55:25 * Joey Virtue joins Main
16/04/2008 03:55:26 ‹The Last Rogue› I man of course I give my rogues good Dex, and my wizards nice INT, but I pick feats and the like without much ulterior motive
16/04/2008 03:55:27 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> kobolds and goblins are scurryers though... thats why they're fast.
16/04/2008 03:55:37 ‹Russ› James> Gnomes are more interesting as not-dwarves, but in 1st ed, they were basically slightly more social dwarves.
16/04/2008 03:55:53 ‹Joey Virtue› God i hate dial up internet
16/04/2008 03:56:06 ‹The Last Rogue› Dwarves rock! Gnomes are slowly becoming cool like that chick in 9th grade who over the summer developed those awesome . . .
16/04/2008 03:56:09 ‹Farglik› everyone does
16/04/2008 03:56:16 ‹Farglik› that's why we get FIOS
16/04/2008 03:56:19 ‹Farglik›
16/04/2008 03:56:20 ‹Timitius› When I hear "gnomes" I think of garden gnomes.....ruins the whole "coolness" of them....
16/04/2008 03:56:23 * Farglik is just saying
16/04/2008 03:56:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think dwarves have been damaged by certain poular images of them that don't need to be true. I like to play dwarves, but my dwarves rarely fit popular dwarven stereotypes, even though they are still distinctly dwarves.
16/04/2008 03:56:33 ‹Samwise› gah!
16/04/2008 03:56:37 ‹Samwise› no garden gnomes
16/04/2008 03:56:42 ‹Takasi› I see some value in preventing dwarves from casting spells, members of their race who are magical are actually gnomes
16/04/2008 03:56:43 ‹Samwise› and no vile stinker gnomes
16/04/2008 03:56:47 ‹James Jacobs› I honestly don't get why so many people freaked out about Merisiel's low Int. I think that's a perfectly sound choice. She still has 7 different skills (more if she doesn't max out), which is more than most other classes will get... she just won't be a GODLIKE GOOD AT EVERY DAMN SKILL rogue that the powergamers lust for.
16/04/2008 03:56:50 ‹Farglik› Timitus how about an Experian PrC for gnomes!!!
16/04/2008 03:56:54 ‹Hill Giant› Rambling: John Rhys-Davies?
16/04/2008 03:57:02 ‹The Last Rogue› Guys. I got to run. When I get home I may pop back on. If not good night, good gaming, and for all you devs out there, good work!
16/04/2008 03:57:06 * Saracenus joins Main
16/04/2008 03:57:12 * Samwise lusts for skills
16/04/2008 03:57:13 ‹Daigle› Dwarves are comic relief
16/04/2008 03:57:15 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, when my dwarven [layers b#%#$ about the lack of support- I drop your name liberally
16/04/2008 03:57:16 ‹Pygon› Joey - I'm 28 pt buy.
16/04/2008 03:57:21 ‹Daigle› Sadly
16/04/2008 03:57:23 ‹Russ› Low-int is a perfectly fine rogue choice. Probably better than the stock low cha.
16/04/2008 03:57:23 ‹Takasi› James Jacobs, it has everything to do with assumed search and disable device DCs for levels, Merisiel is worthless
16/04/2008 03:57:32 ‹Farglik› Joey 32 pt buy or 36
16/04/2008 03:57:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› HG: Good Example.
16/04/2008 03:57:40 ‹Hill Giant› I have long said, "There is nothing so vulgar it can't be made moreso by adding a dwarf."
16/04/2008 03:57:43 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Excellent! Dwarves... <shakes head>
16/04/2008 03:57:44 ‹Wyvern› Daigle they are not! Grrr.
16/04/2008 03:57:51 ‹Daigle›
16/04/2008 03:57:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: Exactly.
16/04/2008 03:57:50 ‹Joey Virtue› we do 4d6 re roll ones 7 rolls
16/04/2008 03:58:21 ‹Russ› Well, a WELL DESIGNED adventure has a range of trap DCs, rather than making them all the same high DC
16/04/2008 03:58:26 ‹Wyvern› Joey, 4d6 drop lowest, stats must add 72 or more.
16/04/2008 03:58:33 * Pygon quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:58:38 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah... and in 1st ed, there were level limits and sexist rules and weapons vs. armor types and restrictions on which classes could use oil. Not everything in 1st edition was golden.
16/04/2008 03:58:50 ‹Takasi› well Russ, then Paizo doesn't make WELL DESIGNED adventures
16/04/2008 03:59:03 ‹Joey Virtue› so true james
16/04/2008 03:59:15 ‹Watcher› Actually I thought 1st Edition gnomes were like Santa's helpers. All bearded and smiling too much. Bearded Keebler Elves. I like Pathfinder Gnomes infinitely better
16/04/2008 03:59:21 * Russ doesn't need to be sold on there being things that aren't wonderful in 1st ed....
16/04/2008 03:59:37 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> You can make a rogue who isn't a trapfinder.
16/04/2008 03:59:37 ‹Farglik› Question: would it upset playtesting balance to let players have a free freat from the 2 PF player guides for CotCT?
16/04/2008 03:59:42 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 03:59:44 ‹Russ› Don't forget the possibility of getting extra attacks IF AND ONLY IF you tied on initative
16/04/2008 03:59:54 ‹James Jacobs› Traps are kind of bad and lazy game design anyway.
16/04/2008 03:59:55 ‹Takasi› James Jacobs, you can make a wizard who can't cast spells tooo
16/04/2008 04:00:10 ‹Samwise› problems with 1st ed?
16/04/2008 04:00:12 ‹Russ› Takasi> Gamemastery, maybe, but there's been a good range of DCs in many of the PF mods
16/04/2008 04:00:16 * Samwise disbelieves
16/04/2008 04:00:16 ‹Takasi› what? put down the pipe man!
16/04/2008 04:00:18 ‹Daigle› You no likey traps, James?
16/04/2008 04:00:20 ‹James Jacobs› Becuase traps slow game play down.
16/04/2008 04:00:32 ‹Takasi› I disagree
16/04/2008 04:00:38 ‹James Jacobs› I LOVE traps. I don't like adventures that just throw random traps in for no reason where they're not warrented.
16/04/2008 04:00:39 ‹Samwise› traps have some issues
16/04/2008 04:00:40 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think the rules around traps are poorly designed.
16/04/2008 04:00:41 ‹Russ› I agree with James.
16/04/2008 04:00:44 ‹Takasi› but maybe that's how we play them
16/04/2008 04:00:46 ‹Samwise› 1. Take 20 searching
16/04/2008 04:00:50 ‹Joey Virtue› hey james question about leveling in ROTRLs
16/04/2008 04:00:53 ‹Samwise› 2. Search every square
16/04/2008 04:00:54 ‹Russ› Put ONE trap in a session, and the rest of the game will crawl.
16/04/2008 04:01:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› I allow rogues to notice traps like Elves notice secret doors.
16/04/2008 04:01:07 ‹Farglik› Samwise 3. play a lame game
16/04/2008 04:01:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› That solves that problem.
16/04/2008 04:01:21 ‹Takasi› that doesn't slow down play time, but it does slow down character world time, which is very good
16/04/2008 04:01:26 ‹Russ› So if throw in a trap, make it meaningful, and preferably put in more than one.
16/04/2008 04:01:27 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: The point is... you can make a rogue who doesn't do the trap finding thing. You can make a diplomat/bluff rogue, a swashbuckler, a ninja/assassin type... none of those require trapfinding.
16/04/2008 04:01:38 ‹Daigle› Rogues search for traps anyway, no matter how many times in a row you say, "It looks clear"
16/04/2008 04:01:41 ‹Takasi› I want my party to take their time in a dungeon, not blow through it in 15 minutes
16/04/2008 04:01:42 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> What's up?
16/04/2008 04:01:43 ‹Joey Virtue› I did Fortress of the stone giants in Pathfinder RPG rules and they gained 3 levels do they gain 3 on the standard dnd
16/04/2008 04:01:44 ‹Watcher› Takasi, it does slow it down. It's a pain in the ass
16/04/2008 04:01:50 ‹Samwise› between those two elements, traps become an excuse for the players to use the rules to justify rather irritatingly non-heroic action
16/04/2008 04:02:10 ‹Takasi› not if you just take 10 or 20 Watcher, it doesn't slow it down
16/04/2008 04:02:10 * Saracenus uses the party barbarian as the "trap finder"
16/04/2008 04:02:14 ‹Takasi› not play time at least
16/04/2008 04:02:19 ‹Rambling Scribe› I also put most of my traps in the middle of combat encounters, or in sensible places anyways.
16/04/2008 04:02:24 ‹Russ› Traps definitely bog down my games. You trigger the paranoid reflex, and not only do you get the danged search checks, you get the 30 minute debates
16/04/2008 04:02:25 ‹Daigle› Traps are what made Raiders of the Lost Arc rad!
16/04/2008 04:02:33 ‹Samwise› even taking 10
16/04/2008 04:02:34 ‹Takasi› paranoia is a good thing in dungeons
16/04/2008 04:02:37 ‹Farglik› Question (foreveryone): would it upset playtesting balance to let players have a free freat from the 2 PF player guides for CotCT?
16/04/2008 04:02:37 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> how many levels characters gain in an adventure can vary. If, for example, they go into an adventure at the right level but are close to leveling... they could well level more often than expected.
16/04/2008 04:02:44 ‹Russ› You start getting a debating session every time they open a door about how far back everyone needs to be
16/04/2008 04:02:45 ‹Samwise› it means dropping speed to what, 5 feet?
16/04/2008 04:02:53 ‹Watcher› exactly
16/04/2008 04:02:56 ‹Samwise› less if there is a passage more than 10 feet wide
16/04/2008 04:03:02 ‹James Jacobs› There's enough encoutners in an Advenure Path that if everyone does EVERY ENCOUNTER... they'll be higher level by the end than the campaign expects.
16/04/2008 04:03:05 ‹Takasi› how does that slow down playtime though?
16/04/2008 04:03:12 ‹Farglik› Speed = 2.5' LOL!
16/04/2008 04:03:13 ‹Daigle› Fray, I don't know about playtesting, but in my 3.5 Runelords game I gave them one.
16/04/2008 04:03:14 ‹Joey Virtue› ok
16/04/2008 04:03:28 ‹Samwise› because you now have to track spell durations more closely
16/04/2008 04:03:31 ‹Joey Virtue› cause i have been figuring for every encounter
16/04/2008 04:03:34 ‹Russ› James> fortunately, it is a bit self-correcting, as once they are ahead of the curve, they get less xp per kill. Works in reverse as well,for those who missed a bunch of xp
16/04/2008 04:03:39 ‹Samwise› hour long spells will run out at that rate
16/04/2008 04:03:44 ‹Takasi› traps add a strategy to the game without slowing down playtime
16/04/2008 04:03:45 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... I VERY MUCH prefer traps to show up in dungeons or areas where they fit the theme.
16/04/2008 04:03:49 ‹Farglik› Daigle coolio... I like the feats and they are very flavorful.. but not powerful...
16/04/2008 04:03:51 ‹Joey Virtue› and im trying to make it a 1-20
16/04/2008 04:03:52 ‹Sebastian› whew, just got up
16/04/2008 04:03:53 ‹Takasi› deciding when to take 10 or 20 is important
16/04/2008 04:03:54 ‹Sebastian› er caught
16/04/2008 04:03:56 ‹Sebastian› up
16/04/2008 04:03:56 ‹Saracenus› Takasi: Players tend to turtle up when they find or hit the first trap and their behavior slows it down
16/04/2008 04:03:59 ‹Samwise› 10 minute spells are blown away
16/04/2008 04:04:10 ‹James Jacobs› By the same reason... I don't want to put undead into every dungeon. They're not always needed. Dungeons are stronger when they have strong themes.
16/04/2008 04:04:22 ‹Sebastian› Current campaign consists of an all-dwarf party - they absolutely ruined the ogres in HMM
16/04/2008 04:04:27 ‹Rambling Scribe› Farglik: I believe the sample characters in the PFs have bonus feats from those books...
16/04/2008 04:04:31 * Farglik changes his/her nickname to Fray
16/04/2008 04:04:32 ‹Joey Virtue› Dungons with themes are great
16/04/2008 04:04:41 ‹Russ› Although on the theme issue, good design demands giving multipel roles a chance to shine. It is ugly when a whole adventure is immune-sneak critters.
16/04/2008 04:04:42 ‹Takasi› I see it from a different perspective Saracenus, I think removing traps makes players reckless and turns dungeon crawling into dungeon plowing
16/04/2008 04:04:46 ‹Sebastian› That +4 to AC for the whole party combined with the ogres power attacking with the first swing every time meant that the dwarves rarely got touched.
16/04/2008 04:04:48 ‹Fray› Rscribe... cool.
16/04/2008 04:04:49 ‹James Jacobs› Eeew... an all dwarf party? O.o
16/04/2008 04:04:51 ‹Daigle› Whoah, I forgot that C-Bass was here
16/04/2008 04:05:13 ‹Saracenus› Takasi: No matter how you slice it, your traps are speed bumps
16/04/2008 04:05:18 * Pygon quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:05:18 ‹Fray› Who let Sebastian in here?
16/04/2008 04:05:23 ‹Samwise› heh . . .
16/04/2008 04:05:26 ‹Saracenus› There are other ways to modify player behavior
16/04/2008 04:05:26 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That's a VERY good point. You should indeed give opportunities for every class to shine. I love the fact that certain classes are better at some things than others...
16/04/2008 04:05:29 ‹Russ› True, Saracenus. He is just defining it as an asset.
16/04/2008 04:05:35 ‹Samwise› speaking of themes . . .
16/04/2008 04:05:38 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs: Thanks for the LJ message. I'm looking forward to that Saturday!
16/04/2008 04:05:38 ‹Fray› Traps = God's way of telling you to slow down
16/04/2008 04:05:38 * Sebastian chewed through his chains...
16/04/2008 04:05:39 ‹Absinth› Nearly all of my posts are getting eaten, so I'll just sit back and "enjoy the show" then...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 04:05:44 ‹Samwise› when i ran expedition to demonweb
16/04/2008 04:05:51 ‹James Jacobs› For an adventure path, we have a bit of elbow room too... we don't have to make sure every adventure has traps... but eventually, the trapfinder needs something to do.
16/04/2008 04:05:51 ‹Sebastian› was playing civ iv
16/04/2008 04:05:53 ‹Samwise› one pc was a ranger with a bow like the special one
16/04/2008 04:05:56 ‹Russ› I like the social encounters we are seeing in this path a lot.
16/04/2008 04:06:00 ‹Samwise› another was a ranger who could use special bow
16/04/2008 04:06:14 ‹Samwise› any encounter with demons was a 1st round autokill
16/04/2008 04:06:17 ‹Joey Virtue› absinth alot of mine get eaten too i thought it was my crappy internet
16/04/2008 04:06:20 ‹Wat
16/04/2008 04:08:29 ‹Joey Virtue› James any word on the release date of Path alpha 2?
16/04/2008 04:08:44 ‹Sebastian› Hey! The all dwarf party rocks.
16/04/2008 04:09:00 ‹Russ› Samwise> I thought it was a nice way to handle it, and bless you for not using mobs
16/04/2008 04:09:17 ‹Watcher› "James Jacobs" is a dirty name in Janderhoff
16/04/2008 04:09:17 ‹Sebastian› They're all lawful - so their character write ups included all this info about how they get up in the morning and do their important OCD routines.
16/04/2008 04:09:20 ‹Sebastian› It's a fun party.
16/04/2008 04:09:24 * Daigle flips around for PC cancer rules and twists his moustache.
16/04/2008 04:09:25 ‹Samwise› Russ>that "trap" was my creation
16/04/2008 04:09:32 ‹Joey Virtue› All dwarf party could be fun but i think im the only guy in ur group wh likes dwarves
16/04/2008 04:09:54 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Looks like mid to late next week for release 2 of the Alpha. It's in layout right now... and since it's over a hundred pages... that'll take a few days to do. After which point we have to edit it, which also takes a few days. After which those changes go into the document (another day, at least) and then a final layout phase ending in PDF creation. SO: sometime next week, it looks like.
16/04/2008 04:09:55 ‹Pygon› traps are ok as long as they are meant for dwarven paladins.
16/04/2008 04:09:58 * Russ attacked a square with a table in that
16/04/2008 04:09:58 ‹Sebastian› It was more or less accidental - two characters made dwarven brothers and it sorta caught momentum
16/04/2008 04:10:10 ‹Sebastian› I'm out for the night
16/04/2008 04:10:12 ‹Sebastian› later chatters
16/04/2008 04:10:13 ‹James Jacobs› Janderhoff! I should blow that place up in Second Darkness.
16/04/2008 04:10:20 ‹Pygon› bye Seb
16/04/2008 04:10:21 ‹Daigle› Night C-Bass
16/04/2008 04:10:23 ‹Absinth› Bye, Sebastian!
16/04/2008 04:10:34 ‹Blazej› Over a hundred pages. Wee!
16/04/2008 04:10:35 ‹Samwise› Russ>i was sitting yakking with eric about how utterly lame a barfight with 8 apl+0 warriors would be, thinking "get from a to b, accomplish something, everyone help - its an encounter trap!"
16/04/2008 04:10:48 ‹Russ› Turn them all into green slime. A deep cistern filled with dwarven ooze.
16/04/2008 04:10:50 ‹Samwise› then i just tortured the rules for those until they screamed and resulted in that
16/04/2008 04:10:55 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, seriously you have to watch it though. My dwarf player actually asked "should I just re-roll my character since the Editors hate my chosen race? That's dumb that they let me be a dwarf in the first place if that was their attitude." You may not care.. ... but I covered for you.
16/04/2008 04:10:56 ‹Fray› James: I'll take the Alpha release now please... (don't care about layout or editing.)
16/04/2008 04:11:18 ‹Absinth› James, can you tell us something about the Last Baron mods, like who's writing them and where they're set?
16/04/2008 04:11:25 * Sebastian quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:11:33 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Really? Hmm. What was it that caused that comment?
16/04/2008 04:11:43 ‹Watcher› "James doesn't hate dwarves that much I said, I'm sure Mike McArtor will help us out."
16/04/2008 04:11:53 ‹Watcher› Oh, I ratted you out
16/04/2008 04:12:00 ‹Fray› Mike Hates orcs
16/04/2008 04:12:05 ‹Watcher› They just took me really seriously
16/04/2008 04:12:08 ‹Watcher› LOLOLOLOL
16/04/2008 04:12:09 * Russ enjoyed the beardless dwarf in this month's installment
16/04/2008 04:12:20 ‹James Jacobs› Because while I don't like dwarves or paladins... I wouldn't be still doing this job after 5+ years If I kept building adventrues and enconters that specifically hosed certain classes and races.
16/04/2008 04:12:20 ‹Joey Virtue› heyb is there an iconic half orc?
16/04/2008 04:12:24 ‹Watcher› I had to backpedal
16/04/2008 04:12:31 ‹Watcher› I know
16/04/2008 04:12:44 ‹Watcher› They just took it far more seriously than I expect
16/04/2008 04:12:48 * Moth joins Main
16/04/2008 04:12:51 ‹Watcher› expected
16/04/2008 04:12:52 ‹Joey Virtue› I think thats where the hate is
16/04/2008 04:12:58 ‹Joey Virtue› they have the dwarf ranger
16/04/2008 04:13:16 ‹Watcher› Nobody re-rolled
16/04/2008 04:13:16 ‹James Jacobs› There won't be an iconic half-orc. Not for the core classes, at least.
16/04/2008 04:13:33 ‹Joey Virtue› see thats the race they hate
16/04/2008 04:13:57 ‹lojakz› apparently so. I'm a little sad there won't be an iconic half orc
16/04/2008 04:13:58 ‹Samwise› half-orcs are the iconic half-orc race!
16/04/2008 04:14:14 ‹James Jacobs› I dont' really hate half-orcs much... their stats in 3.5 make for pretty limited choices, which sucks, and they don't have much to do but be the race with the Strength bonus, which limits their versatility (which makes me less likely to play a half-orc, honestly).
16/04/2008 04:14:16 ‹Pygon› they all have the same backstory.
16/04/2008 04:14:18 ‹Daigle› Howdy Moth!
16/04/2008 04:14:24 ‹Absinth› I don't hate half-orcs but I find them to be too exotic for a standard PC race.
16/04/2008 04:14:30 ‹Russ› Hmm. Cleric/barbarian?
16/04/2008 04:14:36 ‹Moth› Hey Daigle
16/04/2008 04:14:43 ‹Joey Virtue› only reason i want one is cause i like the iconic art
16/04/2008 04:14:56 ‹Absinth› Hey Moth, Lord of the Sinister board.
16/04/2008 04:15:29 ‹Watcher› So what is it with dwarves? Just a bad sterotype you hate to contribute to?
16/04/2008 04:15:32 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed. Golarion is humanocentric. Most of our Iconics are human for a reason. We want humans to be the main race you deal with in most situations. Which more or less meant that one of the core demi-human races was going to get the boot for the initial batch of iconics.
16/04/2008 04:15:35 * Russ quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:15:46 ‹Moth› Hi Absinth - yeah, I went crazy posting there for a bit! Excited much!
16/04/2008 04:15:46 ‹Hill Giant› The iconic half0orc should come from loving parents and a happy childhood...
16/04/2008 04:15:54 * Daigle's human worlds.
16/04/2008 04:16:13 ‹Joey Virtue› James why were the psions not made an iconic but a multi class character is
16/04/2008 04:16:17 ‹James Jacobs› Eventaully we'll do a half-orc on the cover to Pathfinder. He won't be showing up before #18 though, that's pretyt much for sure...
16/04/2008 04:16:17 ‹Daigle› I've been playing a human since 2e (when there was no real benefit)
16/04/2008 04:16:29 ‹Takasi› the iconic half-orc should be a reincarnated familiar
16/04/2008 04:16:53 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> I suspect part of my dislike of dwarves dates back to 1st edition, which pretty much limited them to being only fighters, and fighters were my least favorite class in 1st edition.
16/04/2008 04:16:53 ‹Daigle› Half-orc (hamster)?
16/04/2008 04:16:54 ‹Russ› Did you skip the half-elf too?
16/04/2008 04:17:32 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Dwarves are the most heavilly stereotyped race of them all. Made moreso by the fact that people who like dwarves seem to embrace those stereotypes more often than other races.
16/04/2008 04:17:57 ‹Russ› I dunno, the aloof snotty elf is up there for "most played" stereotype
16/04/2008 04:18:02 ‹Moth› James, to my somewhat surprise I love the green haired gnome and her back-story! Did you or Mike write that?
16/04/2008 04:18:10 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I wouldn't disagree
16/04/2008 04:18:14 ‹James Jacobs› AND: the stereotype of being loud, a heavy drinker, dwelling underground, being standoffish and intolerant all combine into a personality that I, personally, find pretty odious and gross.
16/04/2008 04:18:16 ‹Takasi› or the sneaky munchkin-halfling
16/04/2008 04:18:20 ‹Joey Virtue› So what part of PRPG 2 is everyone looking forward to?
16/04/2008 04:18:28 ‹lojakz› I'm guilty of that James... I must admit. Though I've a friend who's breaking me of it.
16/04/2008 04:18:30 ‹Absinth› It's Salvatores fault. He seems to be responsible for the stereotype dwarves...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 04:18:31 ‹Moth› I like dwarves as NPCs ... so I can make fun of them by playing up those stereotypes...
16/04/2008 04:18:43 ‹Wyvern› Bring back the half-ogre I say!
16/04/2008 04:18:45 ‹Russ› The "elves are the best at everything" crowd is a powerful lobby. Of course, everything dwarves make is supposed to be better too. Why is that none of the standard non-human PC races are known for making anything badly?
16/04/2008 04:18:46 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, though have you ever conidered the challenge of breaking that sterotype?
16/04/2008 04:18:52 ‹Russ› You know, don't buy that armor, it's elven!
16/04/2008 04:18:58 ‹Samwise› other than the heavy drinker, arent gamers loud, standoffish, intolerant (of other gamers), and live underground (in their parents basements)?
16/04/2008 04:19:11 ‹Samwise› just saying, maybe its a avatar roleplay thing . . .
16/04/2008 04:19:15 ‹Joey Virtue› So what part of PRPG 2 is everyone looking forward to looking at?
16/04/2008 04:19:22 ‹Joey Virtue› I want the new classes
16/04/2008 04:19:25 ‹Moth› Actually, if anyone wants to see a completely stereotyped dwarf PC, but how much fun it can actually be, check out Kruelaid's character in Heathy's pbp on Paizo
16/04/2008 04:19:28 ‹Joey Virtue› and the new magic item rules
16/04/2008 04:19:33 ‹Absinth› Joey, the other core classes.
16/04/2008 04:19:35 ‹Watcher› Joey Virtue, Crafting without XP payment
16/04/2008 04:19:37 ‹Samwise› and technically, if you count the caffeine in mountain dew as an intoxicant, they are heavy drinkers too
16/04/2008 04:19:58 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> I have indeed considered the challenge of breaking the stereotype... but the fact is that dwarves are ALREADY popular. Their stereotype is popular. I don't NEED to fix them so that I like them.
16/04/2008 04:20:14 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> We did: The half-ogre is in Pathfinder 3.
16/04/2008 04:20:31 ‹Absinth› Samwise, I never viewed it this way. Now the love for dwarvs makes perfect sense...
16/04/2008 04:20:57 * paul quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:21:02 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The aloof snotty elf is probably the second biggest stereotype... but there are lots of other elf stereotypes to keep it company. The dwarf just has the one.
16/04/2008 04:21:05 ‹Samwise› Absinth>though it does shed a dark light on James' dislike of them
16/04/2008 04:21:09 ‹Russ› I kinda like the new ogre. It is a change from the "military thug" model that we see a lot of now.
16/04/2008 04:21:27 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Mike wrote Lini's backstory. I suspect he would have shived me if I didn't let him write it.
16/04/2008 04:21:50 ‹lojakz› James>What would you do to dwarves if you could? That's not razing their cities and salting the earth with their ashes that is.
16/04/2008 04:22:03 ‹Absinth› *tries again* James, can you tell us something about the Last Baron mods, like who's writing them and where they're set?
16/04/2008 04:22:05 ‹Samwise› still, i think i know more people who play dwarves who are avatar roleplaying than all other races, including human, combined
16/04/2008 04:22:19 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Yeah... the dwarven stereotype DOES match the gamer stereotype a bit. Doesn't sweeten the deal for me!
16/04/2008 04:22:26 ‹Moth› James: yeah, good point ... I find Mike's gnome love bordering on disturbing at times...
16/04/2008 04:22:40 ‹Russ› One weakness with your theory, Sam: dwarves don't have Gamer Funk
16/04/2008 04:22:52 * Samwise snickers at James
16/04/2008 04:23:02 ‹lojakz› Russ>Are you sure about that?
16/04/2008 04:23:05 ‹Watcher› I always like the notion of the dwarf as the 'Little People' who lived in Faerie Mounds, who made fantastic treasure and wielded great power. I know I'm describing it all hokey and lame, but something more Fae
16/04/2008 04:23:15 ‹Timitius› Why are all dwarves Scottish???
16/04/2008 04:23:17 ‹Samwise› Russ>hence their appeal, gamers always try to wish away one of their worst traits
16/04/2008 04:23:22 ‹James Jacobs› I really have no Idea what I'd do with dwarves. Honestly... again... I don't know if anything DOES need doing.
16/04/2008 04:23:30 ‹Saracenus› ./me hides his lucky charms
16/04/2008 04:23:33 ‹Hill Giant› Why are all pirates Cornish?
16/04/2008 04:23:34 ‹Fray› dwarves are Irish!
16/04/2008 04:23:37 ‹Joey Virtue› i dont like the fey approach
16/04/2008 04:23:43 ‹lojakz› Watcher>Sort of like what's done with them in Agone?
16/04/2008 04:23:48 ‹Samwise› Timitius>that i have to agree with, dwarves should not be scottish
16/04/2008 04:23:50 ‹Moth› James, now that the edition question is resolved, how is Second Darkness progressing? Are you writing a chapter?
16/04/2008 04:23:54 ‹Timitius› In Dungeonsiege, they ALL spoke with a thick Scottish accent.
16/04/2008 04:24:03 ‹Absinth› Wow, you guys know Agone in the US?
16/04/2008 04:24:11 ‹James Jacobs› Gnomes and halfings, for example... everyone seems to hate them. And there's a HUGE backlash against elves. There's not any of that about dwarves, though. Which tells me that they're already doing what they need to do and that an attempt to "fix" them would only estrange dwarf fans without attracting NEW fans.
16/04/2008 04:24:13 ‹Watcher› lojakz, Not familiar with Agone (googling)
16/04/2008 04:24:21 ‹Samwise› "If it's not dwarven, it's crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrap!"
16/04/2008 04:24:32 ‹Takasi› dwarves are generally not well like, the -2 charisma and all
16/04/2008 04:24:40 ‹Absinth› James, that's true.
16/04/2008 04:24:45 ‹Wyvern› Spot on James, dwarves are fine as they are.
16/04/2008 04:24:58 ‹Joey Virtue› i agree james
16/04/2008 04:25:02 * cappadocius joins Main
16/04/2008 04:25:04 ‹Hill Giant› I tned to view the -2 Cha, as a kind of insular, hive mind thing
16/04/2008 04:25:04 ‹Timitius› I still want to see a campaign setting where high elves are brutal dictators and MONSTERS, not a playable race.
16/04/2008 04:25:14 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> The "little people" thing works better for gnomes, I think. Dwarves are hardly little. They're shaped like barrels and weigh more than they should.
16/04/2008 04:25:18 ‹Samwise› James>dwarves do not need a change, they just need a reason
16/04/2008 04:25:20 ‹cappadocius› MOAR NOMEZ PLZ
16/04/2008 04:25:25 ‹Russ› Timi> because it is fun
16/04/2008 04:25:28 ‹Hill Giant› Timitus: Magic's Lorwynn set
16/04/2008 04:25:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'd like to see dwarves used less for comic relief, frankly. But I realize I'm in the minority.
16/04/2008 04:25:38 ‹Absinth› I guess certain stereotypes get lame sooner than others. Dwarves being a good example for that.
16/04/2008 04:25:42 ‹Samwise› right now, dwarves have little to no reason for being fantasy gamers (as it were)
16/04/2008 04:26:11 ‹Wyvern› I've never seen this comic relief about dwarves you guys keep throwing around.
16/04/2008 04:26:14 ‹lojakz› Watcher>It's a French RPG, they translated a few of the products to english before the company went under. By the same folks who did In Nomine. It's a pretty interesting fantasy world, very baroque and macabre.
16/04/2008 04:26:15 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Second Darkness is HARROWINGLY behind schedule. It's actually given me a few panic attacks, to be honest. It's shaping up pretty well, but we really REALLY should have just decided to go forward with its design two months before we did.
16/04/2008 04:26:16 ‹Saracenus› James make an iconic Dwarf wizard, that will piss of the dwarven purists out there <G>
16/04/2008 04:26:21 ‹Samwise› ive tried working on some background for that with someone else, but that is the main thing i think is missing for them
16/04/2008 04:26:27 ‹cappadocius› Dwarven Psionicist.
16/04/2008 04:26:32 ‹cappadocius› Piss off as many people as possible.
16/04/2008 04:26:54 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I'm just recalling the old irish myths I read as a kid, and even some young people's fiction like the Taran books by Llyod Alexander. I'm not lobbying that you change dwarves to suit me.. but that is what I used to think of as dwarves before Tolkien Tolkienized them
16/04/2008 04:26:54 ‹Russ› Hire more freelancers!(yeah, I know, throwing more people at a project doesn't speed it up)
16/04/2008 04:26:58 ‹Samwise› they are a pack of surly, subterranean, liquored up, axe wielding, maniacs
16/04/2008 04:26:58 ‹Saracenus› cappadocius> I like that
16/04/2008 04:27:01 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not going to write any adventures for Second Darkness, though I am going to write two support articles (the gazetter on Riddleport and the article about the Demon Lords of Golarion). I WILL be writing the "Into the Darklands" book, though. And I"m considering writing the first adventure for AP4.
16/04/2008 04:27:01 ‹Joey Virtue› i played a dwarven psion mage through age of worms
16/04/2008 04:27:04 ‹Samwise› without a cause
16/04/2008 04:27:23 ‹Absinth› Agone is just great. One of the very best RPGs out there. My french sucks so I didn't play it yet, but the books are very beautiful and the setting just rocks.
16/04/2008 04:27:30 ‹Moth› James: Not to increase your panic attacks – but will SD be on time? Is the pressure more on you guys (Paizo) or the writers?
16/04/2008 04:27:30 ‹Takasi› James, I think an AP that would do well, maybe in AP 5 or something, would be a very strange campaign that takes place on another planet
16/04/2008 04:27:35 * cappadocius is on a gnome kick at the moment, so...
16/04/2008 04:27:41 ‹cappadocius› How many gnomes will be in AP4?
16/04/2008 04:27:48 ‹Takasi› with iconics on the cover of weird races, like insectoids, and everyone is psionic
16/04/2008 04:28:04 ‹CD working› cappadocius, how many gnomes have you kicked?
16/04/2008 04:28:10 ‹Daigle› Oooh, James! Yo are who I need to bug for Riddleport lore!
16/04/2008 04:28:19 ‹Joey Virtue› Will there ever be an AP -20 again?
16/04/2008 04:28:26 ‹lojakz› Absinth> I love the setting. Haven't had a chance to actually play. I sort of wish I did speak french so I could get more products than the bit they translated.
16/04/2008 04:28:26 ‹Joey Virtue› 1-20
16/04/2008 04:28:41 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Oh never fear. We've got a LARGE number of new names for Second Darkness, adventures and articles alike. Many of whom should be pretty familiar to long-time D&D players.
16/04/2008 04:28:47 ‹Samwise› halflings i think are getting freaked on because of the dual effect of the size issue and the shift from happy roundboys to the dogclans to staffing the proud mary/rafting with huck finn
16/04/2008 04:28:49 ‹cappadocius› CD> If by kicked, you mean hugged inappropriately, then the answer is 9.
16/04/2008 04:29:08 ‹CD working› lol
16/04/2008 04:29:25 ‹Russ› Samwise> and the whole question about why we need two speed 20 shorties in the game in the first place
16/04/2008 04:29:27 ‹Watcher› lol
16/04/2008 04:29:34 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Second Darkness will be on time. It has to be. It debuts at Gen Con and if it's not there... something terribly wrong has happened. The pressure for that to happen is pretty much squarely on me.
16/04/2008 04:29:49 ‹Moth› James: “Into the Darklands” book? What’s that one? The ‘underdark’ gazetter?
16/04/2008 04:29:53 ‹Samwise› weve got elves and half-orcs, same difference there as well
16/04/2008 04:29:56 * Saracenus "I am moster... I got a lair... and a badger
16/04/2008 04:30:00 ‹James Jacobs› Cappadocius> There will be AT LEAST ONE gnome in AP4. Probably more.
16/04/2008 04:30:05 ‹Joey Virtue› at least get the first one done LOL
16/04/2008 04:30:11 ‹Russ› So how about delaying PF #12 to get #13 out on time?
16/04/2008 04:30:17 * Samwise begins beating Saracenus repeatedly
16/04/2008 04:30:30 ‹Fray› ok... gnite y'all.... I needs to be up at 5:30am :ugh: Have a good and day.
16/04/2008 04:30:42 ‹Wyvern› See ya Fray
16/04/2008 04:30:43 ‹lojakz› good night Fray
16/04/2008 04:30:44 ‹Pygon› bye Fray
16/04/2008 04:30:44 ‹cappadocius› YAY MOAR NOMEZ!
16/04/2008 04:30:44 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Fray!
16/04/2008 04:30:45 ‹Fray› James thanks for coming buy
16/04/2008 04:30:47 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Maybe... probably not. Six months isn't enough time to go all the way to 20th level.
16/04/2008 04:30:58 ‹Takasi› James Jacobs, when will we see a book on the Acadamae?
16/04/2008 04:30:59 * Watcher subliminally lobbies for First World Lore in some future book
16/04/2008 04:31:14 ‹Joey Virtue› That makes my group sad
16/04/2008 04:31:18 ‹Takasi› Mike said he wanted to write it
16/04/2008 04:31:18 ‹cappadocius› First World Lore will come out in the Gnome splatbook.
16/04/2008 04:31:22 * Watcher hastily changes it to magical traditions
16/04/2008 04:31:22 ‹Russ› Heh. It's going to take us THIRTY months to get through age of worms, at least
16/04/2008 04:31:30 ‹Joey Virtue› all games cant finish before 20th thats how we are
16/04/2008 04:31:33 ‹James Jacobs› Moth: Yeah. "Into the Darklands" is the "underdark" gazetteer... although we won't be using the word "Underdark" in print ever.
16/04/2008 04:31:49 ‹cappadocius› Darklands is a much nicer name, anyway.
16/04/2008 04:31:52 * Fray quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:31:52 * Fray quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:32:11 ‹Joey Virtue› are derro or dugar ogl?
16/04/2008 04:32:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Delaying PF 12 isn't an option. The money that comes in when we ship a Pathfinder is VERY SIGNIFICANT. If it doesn't come in... it messes up a lot of stuff.
16/04/2008 04:32:26 ‹Moth› Yep, its still taking me a while to get used to Darklands, but I'll get there. I understand that Underdark ir probably WotC IP or something
16/04/2008 04:32:28 ‹Takasi› yes they are Joey
16/04/2008 04:32:30 ‹lojakz› Darklands has the same taste as the underdark with out the gassy side effects.
16/04/2008 04:32:58 * Russ would LOVE to do a "Classic Monsters" derro
16/04/2008 04:32:59 ‹Takasi› I like Darkunder, sounds Australian
16/04/2008 04:33:03 * Crimson Jester joins Main
16/04/2008 04:33:13 ‹Joey Virtue› james if dont mind how many pathfinder subscribers alone d you have?
16/04/2008 04:33:24 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> Honestly... I doubt we'll do a book solely on the Acadamae. It's FAR more likely that we'll do a book about wizards and that said book will have a chapter on the Acadamae. We might some day do an adventure set in the Acadamae as well.
16/04/2008 04:33:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy CJ!
16/04/2008 04:33:46 ‹Crimson Jester› hey Daigle
16/04/2008 04:34:01 ‹James Jacobs› Derro and Duergar are both OGL. AND: Both were invented WELL before D&D anyway, so even if they weren't we could use them.
16/04/2008 04:34:02 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, preordered the Wizards book (be sure to include magesmiths)
16/04/2008 04:34:33 ‹Takasi› James Jacobs, I think Paizo should try some type of 'Open Design' like model, perhaps present a few ideas for a supplement, and if enough people pay for the pre-order it gets written and published
16/04/2008 04:34:35 ‹Joey Virtue› The class books are they going to be for PRPG
16/04/2008 04:34:43 ‹Moth› Make PF12 very short in order to get 13 out on time:. “As the PCs prepare their assault on the BBEG’s citadel – they receive word that she has died from an allergic reaction to peanuts.”
16/04/2008 04:34:44 ‹cappadocius› So, Golarion Derro have three fingers. Are they still Dwarf-Variants, or their own thing?
16/04/2008 04:35:14 ‹Takasi› Bring on the option for a 1 year subscription to "Pathfinder Open"
16/04/2008 04:35:23 ‹cappadocius› Takasi> That's the Ransom Model, and Greg Stolze's entire Reign gameline is sold that way.
16/04/2008 04:35:30 ‹James Jacobs› Underdark is WotC IP. More to the point... it's become sort of inexorably tied into Forgotten Realms. The idea of a huge underground world is too cool to let go, though, and has been around since the start, practialy in D&D. Also... the "underdark" concept is something that Lovecraft did a lot with, and I do love my Lovecraft... That Jules Verne guy did some good stuff with it too, and so did....
16/04/2008 04:35:34 ‹James Jacobs› ...Edgar Rice Burroughs.
16/04/2008 04:35:56 ‹Hill Giant› Richard Shaver
16/04/2008 04:36:04 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I don't want to pass around subscription numbers. That's not my news to spread.
16/04/2008 04:36:11 ‹Hill Giant› (speaking of dero)
16/04/2008 04:36:20 ‹lojakz› Journey to the Center of the Earth... one of my favorite books.
16/04/2008 04:36:21 ‹James Jacobs› But: Pathfinder has more subscribers right now than it needs to survive. It's doing VERY well.
16/04/2008 04:36:21 ‹Joey Virtue› figured just checking
16/04/2008 04:36:28 ‹Joey Virtue› i bet its alot
16/04/2008 04:36:30 * Daigle prefers his Burroughs of the WS variety.
16/04/2008 04:36:33 ‹Pygon› glad to hear that James
16/04/2008 04:36:57 ‹James Jacobs› I've got a lot of ideas for the derro, actually, and they're going to have a pretty big chunk of space in the Darklands book.
16/04/2008 04:37:11 ‹lojakz› Sweet
16/04/2008 04:37:11 ‹cappadocius› Well? Dwarfs or just short?
16/04/2008 04:37:29 ‹Daigle› Derro are hard for me to separate from the Suel
16/04/2008 04:37:32 ‹Pygon› will the Darklands sourcebook work well by itself?
16/04/2008 04:37:59 * Takasi quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:38:17 ‹Russ› me too Daigle. I like them as degenerate humans too much to part with that.
16/04/2008 04:38:29 ‹James Jacobs› Takasi> it's an interesting idea, doing an Open Design type thing. But honestly... it's an idea that works better for smaller companies, I think. Wolf Baur's doing great stuff with it, and Rob Kuntz is doing some sponser stuff too. I don't wanna step on their toes. ALSO: I don't wanna put too much of Golarion out there for public design, honestly...
16/04/2008 04:38:37 ‹Samwise› Pellucidar rocks
16/04/2008 04:38:53 ‹Joey Virtue› So waht major Darklands monsters are OGL Abolethe Drow Duerro Duegar and what else I know Mind Flayers Arent
16/04/2008 04:38:55 ‹James Jacobs› Cappadocious> Our derro are their own thing. They are not dwarf variants.
16/04/2008 04:39:01 ‹James Jacobs› Dwarves MIGHT be derro variants though.
16/04/2008 04:39:03 * JasonKain joins Main
16/04/2008 04:39:05 ‹Hill Giant› Got an explaination for why Derro are monstrous humanoids?
16/04/2008 04:39:11 ‹Daigle› Howdy jason
16/04/2008 04:39:17 ‹Russ› JV> Intellect devourers
16/04/2008 04:39:34 ‹James Jacobs› Saw a pretty cool Japanese movie a few weeks ago called "Marebito" that was about the derro. Great movie!
16/04/2008 04:39:42 ‹JasonKain› Ahoy
16/04/2008 04:39:51 ‹Pygon› hi Jason
16/04/2008 04:40:03 ‹Watcher› hmmmmm First World is the bit of lore that has my attention this week
16/04/2008 04:40:28 ‹Daigle› Where did the term derro originate?
16/04/2008 04:40:28 ‹cappadocius› yay Derro as their own thing!
16/04/2008 04:40:28 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> What do you mean "work well by itself" for the Darklands book? If you're asking if it'll be a stand-alone book that doesn't rely on Second Darkness? Yes. it will stand alone.
16/04/2008 04:40:39 ‹Crimson Jester› will we have any Psionics?
16/04/2008 04:41:09 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Kuo-Toa and Mind Flayers are out. We can't use them. Umber Hulks are out also (but they're not really a race).
16/04/2008 04:41:11 ‹Pygon› I also meant along the lines of needing the main Golarion campaign setting book as well
16/04/2008 04:41:16 ‹James Jacobs› Pretty much most of the rest are open season.
16/04/2008 04:42:02 * Joey Virtue quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:42:09 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Yeah. Someone made a stupid error in the MM and it wasn't caught; THAT'S why derro are monstrous humanoids. If (WHEN) we do a Pathfinder "monster manual" type book, I GUARENTEE derro will be humanoids. Or maybe fey. Prolly humanoids.
16/04/2008 04:42:20 ‹cappadocius› Daigle> Dero originate in Robert Sharpe Shaver's fiction.
16/04/2008 04:42:25 * Timitius quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:42:36 ‹James Jacobs› yeah. Derro is short for "Detremental Robot"
16/04/2008 04:42:46 ‹Daigle› Rockin'....gracias!
16/04/2008 04:42:53 ‹Russ› Daigle> Dero, Detrimental Robot, Shaver
16/04/2008 04:42:57 ‹James Jacobs› In Shaver's tales, they're basically these humanoid things that have degenerated to their base instincts, like a robot.
16/04/2008 04:43:07 ‹James Jacobs› IIRC
16/04/2008 04:43:09 ‹Crimson Jester› when will we start hearing more about the other worlds?
16/04/2008 04:43:12 ‹Daigle› Alright...one more time...
16/04/2008 04:43:18 ‹Samwise› CHUDs
16/04/2008 04:43:21 ‹James Jacobs› Shaver's writing is pretty disjointed and wacky...
16/04/2008 04:43:32 ‹Russ› The whole Shaver Mystery thing is a sort of bizarre period in scifi. People did a kind of distributed cult thingie claiming his story was real.
16/04/2008 04:43:32 ‹cappadocius› Perfect for D&D.
16/04/2008 04:43:35 ‹Daigle› I dig on some C.H.U.D.s
16/04/2008 04:43:59 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Derro are a LOT like CHUDs. In Golarion, though... they're going to be taking a lot of the "grey" mythology. Abducting people to do experiments and then partially erasing memories, cattle mutilations, and so on.
16/04/2008 04:44:27 ‹Saracenus› Derro=Greys=Mi-Go
16/04/2008 04:44:35 ‹Saracenus› Delta Green!
16/04/2008 04:44:38 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Jester> Pathfinder #14's "gazetteer" will hook you up. It'll be about the Golarion solar system, more or less.
16/04/2008 04:44:44 * ephealy joins Main
16/04/2008 04:44:46 ‹Watcher› We need an X-Files analog in the Pathfinder Society
16/04/2008 04:44:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yes. Mi-go elements! Good stuff.
16/04/2008 04:44:57 ‹Hill Giant› Abducting beautiful women, so they can be saved by lantern-jawed heroes!
16/04/2008 04:45:02 ‹Daigle› Shit! Ed's here.
16/04/2008 04:45:11 ‹Russ› So kind of morkothy?
16/04/2008 04:45:14 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> That's what the Red Planet is for, I suspect.
16/04/2008 04:45:15 ‹ephealy›
16/04/2008 04:45:19 ‹Wyvern› How was the game?
16/04/2008 04:45:24 ‹Crimson Jester› Thank ya
16/04/2008 04:45:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ed!
16/04/2008 04:45:28 ‹Daigle› What's up, man!
16/04/2008 04:45:29 ‹Russ› Wait, not morkoths, meenlocky
16/04/2008 04:45:32 ‹ephealy› Went well, Luis. Thanks.
16/04/2008 04:45:32 * Joey Virtue quit
16/04/2008 04:45:34 * Joey Virtue joins Main
16/04/2008 04:45:38 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Ed.
16/04/2008 04:45:40 ‹lojakz› You just keep sucking me James. I can't help by keep my subscription going when you throw out little teasers.
16/04/2008 04:45:44 ‹James Jacobs› Morkoths are cool... alas... not ogl... BUT I suspect they're mythological enough we can still do them. Meenlocks? Not so much.
16/04/2008 04:45:54 ‹Absinth› Hey Ed, hey Crimson Jester!
16/04/2008 04:45:56 ‹cappadocius› Those ancients also abandoned some of their own offspring here, a minority of whom remained noble and human "Teros", while most degenerated over time into a population of mentally impaired sadists known as Dero--short for "detrimental robots."
16/04/2008 04:45:57 ‹Watcher› Tease about the Fey!
16/04/2008 04:45:58 ‹cappadocius› hm.
16/04/2008 04:46:06 ‹cappadocius› Why don't we have Terros?
16/04/2008 04:46:08 * Absinth was away, brewing more coffee
16/04/2008 04:46:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Absinth!
16/04/2008 04:46:12 ‹James Jacobs› lojakz> Excellent! Keep that subscription going!
16/04/2008 04:46:37 ‹ephealy› No Lillith?
16/04/2008 04:46:43 ‹Crimson Jester› I keep running out of money
16/04/2008 04:46:43 * Absinth thinks about asking his Last Barons question a third time.
16/04/2008 04:46:52 * Joey Virtue quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:46:53 ‹Daigle› She hasn't been around tonight
16/04/2008 04:46:57 ‹James Jacobs› We do have "Teros" sort of... the Azlant people are sort of like that. Atlanteans. Paragon humans. Etc.
16/04/2008 04:47:09 ‹lojakz› Does anybody have a website with info about Robert Sharpe Shaver... my google powers are lacking tonight
16/04/2008 04:47:12 ‹cappadocius› Ah ha!
16/04/2008 04:47:13 ‹Daigle› Hence, I'm crappily running the show.
16/04/2008 04:47:17 ‹James Jacobs› Wikepedia.org
16/04/2008 04:47:23 ‹cappadocius› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R..._Shaver
16/04/2008 04:47:42 ‹Crimson Jester› will we have a monster write up for Azlantis?
16/04/2008 04:47:54 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R..._Shaver
16/04/2008 04:47:58 ‹James Jacobs› DOH! SCOOPED!
16/04/2008 04:48:00 ‹cappadocius› I win.
16/04/2008 04:48:03 ‹lojakz› that wiki article wasn't coming up in the search.... which is odd.
16/04/2008 04:48:08 ‹cappadocius› Now you have to put in MOAR NOMEZ
16/04/2008 04:48:08 ‹lojakz› thanks guys
16/04/2008 04:48:22 ‹Saracenus› Cubs win! Cubs win! whoops
16/04/2008 04:48:24 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... we've got a 99% complete archive of Amazing here... those old Shaver stories are in there somewhere. I should go read them all.
16/04/2008 04:48:49 ‹cappadocius› That is so awesome.
16/04/2008 04:48:57 ‹Hill Giant› ditto
16/04/2008 04:49:00 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Azlants are just humans. No need for a new monster writeup.
16/04/2008 04:49:01 ‹Joey Virtue› damm i missed good stuff
16/04/2008 04:49:16 ‹lojakz› that's sweet. i should see if we have any at the store... that would rule!
16/04/2008 04:49:34 ‹Crimson Jester› sounded like they would be something more then human which is why I asked
16/04/2008 04:50:14 ‹Russ› I would imagine reading old amazings is kind of like panning for coins in sludge.
16/04/2008 04:50:50 ‹Watcher› time to crash
16/04/2008 04:51:01 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... Azlants are humans, but they had a lot of magic lore. The average level of a human at the height of Azlant was probably quite a bit higher than it is today, for example.
16/04/2008 04:51:04 ‹ephealy› night Watcher
16/04/2008 04:51:10 ‹Crimson Jester› James> Nick Logue was telling me you had some great ideas for your India analog (we share a commoninterest in the culture) do you have anything you could share?
16/04/2008 04:51:16 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Watcher!!!
16/04/2008 04:51:16 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Watcher!
16/04/2008 04:51:16 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> yes. it is.
16/04/2008 04:51:17 ‹lojakz› Russ>yeah, i'm afraid you're probably right. I know we have a few, but unlikely to have the Shaver issues
16/04/2008 04:51:26 ‹James Jacobs› There's a LOT of coins in there, though.
16/04/2008 04:51:53 ‹cappadocius› man, I can't *wait* for Vudran stuff to come out.
16/04/2008 04:52:00 ‹Russ› Oh yeah. Great stuff in my older collections too, ut I can only imagine the hit rate is lower in the origianl magazines
16/04/2008 04:52:02 ‹Absinth› But won't Azlants have some traits that distinguish them from PHB humans? Like maybe getting older, having natural psionics or something like that?
16/04/2008 04:52:13 ‹Absinth› Night, Watcher!
16/04/2008 04:52:16 * Watcher quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 04:52:20 ‹cappadocius› If I'd made it past the magic items in the Superstar contest (doh), all my stuff would likely to have been Vudran.
16/04/2008 04:52:42 ‹Absinth› Thanks for the book recommends over on Sinister. I'm reading Eddings at the moment.
16/04/2008 04:53:02 ‹ephealy› Which books, Absinth?
16/04/2008 04:53:13 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> We do a lot of Vudra (India) stuff in Pathfinder #9. I suspect there's a fair amount of psionics there. Rakshasas are there. We've got a lot of Vudran monsters in Pathfinder 9's bestiary as well, including the sikal monkey swarm (bald rage monkeys!), undead war elephant thingies, rakshasa maharajas, beatific ones (evil outsider beautiful women with six arms and four faces)...
16/04/2008 04:53:51 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Probably not. We're not sure yet if we want to go down the route of assigning different game benefits and mods to the various human ethnicities. That road is fraught with peril.
16/04/2008 04:54:08 ‹Absinth› Sorry, didn't meant Eddings. Simmons!
16/04/2008 04:54:14 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah humans are humans
16/04/2008 04:54:29 ‹Hill Giant› that's what the bonus feat is for
16/04/2008 04:54:37 ‹James Jacobs› If we DO go with a superhuman proto-human race with superhuman powers, though... that race will be older than the Azlants.
16/04/2008 04:54:43 ‹Joey Virtue› and now a plus 2 stat
16/04/2008 04:54:47 ‹Crimson Jester› I was thinking more along the line of an entire race of Paragon Humans who thought they were so powerfull they killed themselves
16/04/2008 04:55:05 ‹James Jacobs› nah. The Azlants didn't kill themselves. They got nuked by the aboleths.
16/04/2008 04:55:17 ‹Russ› Literally?
04:55:25 ‹James Jacobs› Kinda, yeah.
16/04/2008 04:55:32 ‹Pygon› figuratively.
16/04/2008 04:55:38 ‹Joey Virtue› the aboleths seem like a big time player in evil
16/04/2008 04:55:40 ‹Daigle› *mark*
16/04/2008 04:55:40 ‹Absinth› Ed, Dan Simmons. Ilium. It's great!
16/04/2008 04:55:40 ‹Russ› What was the means used? I like the time attack theories of the Invoked Devastation in Greyhawk.
16/04/2008 04:56:09 ‹Crimson Jester› *shivers... Aboleths with Nukes!!!!!
16/04/2008 04:56:16 ‹James Jacobs› Part of that is still semi-secret, Russ.
16/04/2008 04:56:23 ‹Joey Virtue› psionic nukes
16/04/2008 04:56:29 ‹cappadocius› Giant Asteroid.
16/04/2008 04:56:32 ‹cappadocius› It was totally deep impact all over again.
16/04/2008 04:56:33 ‹James Jacobs› I have a hard time remebering what we've revealed about the past and what we haven't.
16/04/2008 04:56:38 ‹cappadocius› Morgan Freeman and everything.
16/04/2008 04:56:41 ‹Joey Virtue› lol
16/04/2008 04:56:44 ‹Moth› Ed: Book discussion was on the "What do you see on your Dark Horizons" thread
16/04/2008 04:56:48 ‹Joey Virtue› i cant wait for more history
16/04/2008 04:56:55 ‹Absinth› James, you don't want to talk about Last Barons, don't you? *
16/04/2008 04:56:55 ‹Daigle› James read back through the chat logs. *
16/04/2008 04:57:00 ‹James Jacobs› THAT SAID... once Second Darkness is out... it'll be pretty obvious what happened.
16/04/2008 04:57:28 ‹Joey Virtue› august will be huge for you guys
16/04/2008 04:57:33 ‹Russ› I'm gonna have to write a coagulation attack into something some day.
16/04/2008 04:57:36 ‹Joey Virtue› secons darkness and pathfinder beta
16/04/2008 04:57:43 ‹Crimson Jester› What were your big 3 villians agian?
16/04/2008 04:58:13 ‹lojakz› man i can't wait for August!
16/04/2008 04:58:16 ‹Russ› ooooh river crossing
16/04/2008 04:58:17 ‹cappadocius› Flumph Lich, Wereowlephant, and a Modron.
16/04/2008 04:58:18 ‹James Jacobs› I can say a few things about the Last Baron modules... I'm now more directly in charge of ALL the stuff going on in the RPG area now, so I have more control over the modules and know what's going on with them more. Up till recently, they've been operating outside of my eye, which has resulted in some unfortunate parallel developent between Pathifnder and them.
16/04/2008 04:58:53 ‹Absinth› Okay. So, who's going to write them and where are they set?
16/04/2008 04:59:01 ‹James Jacobs› August WILL be huge. Second Darkness, the Pathfinder beta... AND the big Hardcover Golarion Campaign Setting! All at once! We're paying for it now, though... nervous breakdowns for EVERYONE!~
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16/04/2008 04:59:10 ‹cappadocius› yay!
16/04/2008 04:59:15 ‹Absinth› Wow!
16/04/2008 04:59:19 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Jester> My three big villians? For what?
16/04/2008 04:59:24 ‹cappadocius› nervous breakdowns = ALL NOME BUKZ!
16/04/2008 04:59:25 ‹Joey Virtue› i forgot about the hardcover setting
16/04/2008 04:59:55 ‹James Jacobs› AND: The first Pathfinder Companion too. Which is basically a 32 page verison of the Player's Guides.
16/04/2008 05:00:12 ‹Russ› Woot!
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16/04/2008 05:00:36 ‹Russ› I really want that added detail on humans!
16/04/2008 05:00:55 ‹Daigle› James, a couple of my players want to start getting Pathfinder stuff. What subscriptions that are available would you think are player safe.
16/04/2008 05:01:08 ‹James Jacobs› The 64-page Gazetter is gonna give you a LOT of info on the humans of Golarion.
16/04/2008 05:01:26 ‹James Jacobs› I believe we just got our copies into the warehouse too... so IN THEORY it could be shipping soon.
16/04/2008 05:01:34 ‹JasonKain› James, I want to throw in my encouragement. Every teaser you guys give make me want the products even more, and I have yet to be disappointed by Paizo.
16/04/2008 05:01:43 ‹Joey Virtue› damm and i just got my mothly shipment
16/04/2008 05:01:46 ‹James Jacobs› What do you mean by "player-safe"? No spoilers for the world or adventures?
16/04/2008 05:01:52 ‹Russ› I'm trying to convert one of my adventures for Paizocon, and I'm having issues with what I don't know about the world *
16/04/2008 05:02:06 ‹James Jacobs› We don't have a player safe subscription for that yet. We will once the Pathfinder Chronicles line starts up in August, though.
16/04/2008 05:02:11 ‹Daigle› mainly for adventures, but sometimes there is some crossover.
16/04/2008 05:02:24 ‹Daigle› Werd.
16/04/2008 05:02:36 ‹James Jacobs› The Pathfinder Chronicles subscription is relatively player safe, i guess. There are spoilers in some of those books, but we try to mark them as such when they occur.
16/04/2008 05:02:47 ‹JasonKain› My order history may not support it, but around the same time you guys decided to do your own thing and be awesome with Pathfinder and the supporting lines, that's around the times my living expenses quadrupled.
16/04/2008 05:02:50 ‹James Jacobs› JasonKain> Thanks! *
16/04/2008 05:03:07 ‹Joey Virtue› is there any other supscriptions coming down?
16/04/2008 05:03:14 * Russ has cut down on his other gaming expenses to keep up with Paizo
16/04/2008 05:03:26 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah i supscribe to all besides the modules
16/04/2008 05:03:27 * Absinth is with Russ.
16/04/2008 05:03:55 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> not that I know of, really. Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Modules, Pathfinder Companion, and Pathfinder itself. And Planet Stories! READ PLANET STORES!
16/04/2008 05:03:55 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL I didnt have a gaming expense till Paizo
16/04/2008 05:04:09 ‹Daigle› I can't be too concerned with spoilers, the threads are rip with them if a player wants to ruin their fun.
16/04/2008 05:04:15 ‹Russ› Planet Stories is EXCELLENT!
16/04/2008 05:04:30 ‹Joey Virtue› will there be a pathfinder supscription for all the Pathfinder RPG books
16/04/2008 05:04:46 ‹James Jacobs› yeah... the amount of Stress-Out about spoilers I see some GMs get wrought out about seems overblown sometimes to me... but I can understand it.
16/04/2008 05:05:02 ‹Russ› I owe Erik one for introducing me to C. L. Moore
16/04/2008 05:05:41 ‹James Jacobs› CL Moore is cool.
16/04/2008 05:05:56 ‹Absinth› Yes, I agree. Great stuff.
16/04/2008 05:06:17 ‹Joey Virtue› Plante stories are they like books or what?
16/04/2008 05:06:18 * ollibolli joins Main
16/04/2008 05:06:22 ‹Daigle› Background information is harder for players to drop in character, rather than more concrete challenges.
16/04/2008 05:06:24 ‹Absinth› James, who will write Last Barons and where will it be set? Can you reveal this?
16/04/2008 05:06:25 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Not sure... again, it's hard for me to keep up on all the subscription models. I don't think we'll be doing an "ALL PATHINDER BOOK" model, though.
16/04/2008 05:06:27 ‹Daigle› Howdy Olli!
16/04/2008 05:06:34 ‹James Jacobs› Planet Stories are novels and short story collections.
16/04/2008 05:06:50 ‹Russ› Mostly very old stuff, and very out of print.
16/04/2008 05:06:51 ‹Samwise› Russ> another company was nice enough to cancely my monthly game book habit, so it is a lot easier to afford Pathfinder stuff now *
16/04/2008 05:07:02 ‹James Jacobs› Reprints, mostly, from "Sword and Planet" style stories. Like John Carter of Mars, for example. Stuff from the Pulps.
16/04/2008 05:07:03 ‹ollibolli› good morning from ermany (has already been said by Absinth I'm sure *G*)
16/04/2008 05:07:08 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy!
16/04/2008 05:07:08 ‹Daigle› Sam *
16/04/2008 05:07:30 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth: LB1, Tower of the Last Baron, is being written by Steve Greer.
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16/04/2008 05:07:39 ‹Russ› LB?
16/04/2008 05:07:44 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli! No, I guess I said something dumb like "howdy"...*
16/04/2008 05:07:51 ‹Daigle› Russ, Last baron
16/04/2008 05:07:58 * Russ slaps himself
16/04/2008 05:08:03 ‹Crimson Jester› James I think my interest in Last Baron stems from a campian arc type stting as oppossed to a full blown adventure path... will this be something you will be doing more of in the future
16/04/2008 05:08:12 ‹Samwise› James>speaking of which . . . a bunch of ERB's earliest copyrights have expired, will planet stories do their own prints of those?
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16/04/2008 05:08:23 ‹Absinth› Cool! I love Steves stuff. Will he do LB 2 as well?
16/04/2008 05:08:28 ‹Russ› If you want to sample Planet Stories, I recommend Secret of Sinarat and Norhwest of Earth
16/04/2008 05:08:29 ‹James Jacobs› LB2, Secret of Chimera Cove, is (I believe) being written by Anson Caralya.
16/04/2008 05:08:49 ‹Daigle› Chimera Cove is a kickass name for a location!
16/04/2008 05:09:11 ‹Absinth› Anson Caralya? I guess I never heard this name before. What else has he/she done?
16/04/2008 05:09:20 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Jester> If LB1 and LB2 do well... absolutely! I do like the concept of doing 2 or 3 part series.
16/04/2008 05:09:31 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Last one he did for us was "Guardians of Dragonfall"
16/04/2008 05:09:37 ‹Joey Virtue› thats why i get all my books from you guys instead of the local game store
16/04/2008 05:09:39 ‹Joey Virtue› hmmmmmm
16/04/2008 05:09:41 ‹Joey Virtue› thats why i get my books from instead of my local store
16/04/2008 05:09:55 ‹lojakz› Fun adventure that one. I'm looking forward to Last Baron
16/04/2008 05:10:01 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Thanks! It's another lift from my homebrew world. In fact, the TITLE is a lift from an adventure I half-wrote back in 7th grade.
16/04/2008 05:10:19 ‹Daigle› Nice!
16/04/2008 05:10:29 ‹Absinth› Where is LB set? Maybe in the River KIngdoms?
16/04/2008 05:10:50 ‹Joey Virtue› what i was asking before i got booted i really want a way to get the pdfs with it thats why i subscribe and not use my local game store
16/04/2008 05:10:52 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> While ERB would be a great author for Planet Stories, and a LOT of his tales would fit perfectly... he's also VERY in print. Planet Stories is, at this time, more aimed at getting out of print stuff BACK in print.
16/04/2008 05:11:02 ‹Daigle› I always think I name stuff weird, and Chimera Cove I could see as something that not eveyone digs, but I f'n love it.
16/04/2008 05:11:06 * Kevin T. joins Main
16/04/2008 05:11:29 ‹James Jacobs› LB is set near Falcon's Hollow. In the same nation as Falcon's Hollow, that is. In Andoran.
16/04/2008 05:11:38 * Kevin T. groans after drinking 2 pints of White Russians in 2 hours
16/04/2008 05:11:41 ‹Pygon› hi Kevin
16/04/2008 05:11:45 ‹Absinth› To me, the River Kingdoms are one of the most interesting locations on the world map. I don't know why, but I expect them to be inspired by GRRM.
16/04/2008 05:11:48 ‹Kevin T.› Hi Pygon
16/04/2008 05:12:24 ‹Samwise› James>then go with H. Beam Piper if no one else is doing his books *
16/04/2008 05:12:48 ‹Absinth› I love the Chimera Cove name too. Has a great sound.
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16/04/2008 05:13:13 ‹Russ› Nah, keep on doing people I don't have!
16/04/2008 05:13:22 ‹lojakz› Well folks, i'm outa here, have things to get done before bed. Take care!
16/04/2008 05:13:23 ‹James Jacobs› Naming things is really tough. I've been naming NPCs and locations and deities and monsters for over 25 years now, and I've seen which ones work and which ones don't. There's a reason most of Varisia is lifted from my homebrew world, in other words! I have a day to come up with a name? SWOOP! Out comes my campaign world map!
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16/04/2008 05:14:02 ‹Daigle› The number one rule I have for naming is : SAY IT OUT LOUD!!!
16/04/2008 05:14:18 ‹Daigle› *in at least ten different ways.
16/04/2008 05:14:26 ‹Kevin T.› James> With the magical harrow deck found in Edge of Anarchy, any thoughts on what could happen to the spirit bound within it after "Curse of the Crimson Throne" is completed by saving/ridding of the queen? As the ghost is bound to the deck to protect Korvosa. And seeing as her "mission" in a sense would be completed. Would the spirit move on, or remain forever to the cards?
16/04/2008 05:14:26 ‹ollibolli› I was always asked when a new pet or animal in our family needed anew name
16/04/2008 05:14:26 ‹Absinth› James, will we see a module set in the River Kingdoms some time in the future?
16/04/2008 05:14:29 ‹Pygon› Zerphlaex'ytzl
16/04/2008 05:14:30 ‹Kevin T.› James> With the magical harrow deck found in Edge of Anarchy, any thoughts on what could happen to the spirit bound within it after "Curse of the Crimson Throne" is completed by saving/ridding of the queen? As the ghost is bound to the deck to protect Korvosa. And seeing as her "mission" in a sense would be completed. Would the spirit move on, or remain forever to the cards?
16/04/2008 05:14:31 ‹James Jacobs› That's a good rule. Other rules: Tell the name to people who have FILTHY MINDS.
16/04/2008 05:14:35 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: Google the name.
16/04/2008 05:14:43 ‹Daigle› Nice!
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16/04/2008 05:14:46 ‹Kevin T.› test
16/04/2008 05:14:47 ‹Russ› Daigle> How to avoid names like Scro Tem?
16/04/2008 05:14:49 ‹Daigle› Good calls!
16/04/2008 05:15:11 ‹Kevin T.› anyone able to see me type
16/04/2008 05:15:20 ‹ollibolli› yes
16/04/2008 05:15:21 ‹Daigle› Yes Kevin
16/04/2008 05:15:21 ‹cappadocius› yes.
16/04/2008 05:15:24 ‹Pygon› I see you KEvin, try strl F5
16/04/2008 05:15:26 ‹Crimson Jester› or a Monk Named Miri Kell
16/04/2008 05:15:28 ‹Pygon› *ctrl
16/04/2008 05:15:28 ‹Absinth› Yepp, Kevin, I see your post.
16/04/2008 05:15:28 ‹Hill Giant› I always google when doing modern names, just to make sures it noone (in)famous
16/04/2008 05:15:40 ‹Kevin T.› testing
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16/04/2008 05:15:44 ‹Kevin T.› James> With the magical harrow deck found in Edge of Anarchy, any thoughts on what could happen to the spirit bound within it after "Curse of the Crimson Throne" is completed by saving/ridding of the queen? As the ghost is bound to the deck to protect Korvosa. And seeing as her "mission" in a sense would be completed. Would the spirit move on, or remain forever to the cards?
16/04/2008 05:15:46 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I doubt we'll be setting any adventures in the River Kingdoms. Erik has a pretty cool idea on what to do with them, though, that I can't really talk much about. They're not really based on George Martin, though, i don't htink...
16/04/2008 05:15:56 ‹Samwise› ok, time for me to go early tonight
16/04/2008 05:16:01 ‹Kevin T.› (sorry had to reload. think I had another hiccup and this one not from drinking to much)
16/04/2008 05:16:04 ‹Daigle› I have to google any name, because I haven't read as much fantasy as I should have and don't want to screw somthing like a name up.
16/04/2008 05:16:04 ‹Samwise› ill catch everyone next time around
16/04/2008 05:16:12 ‹Pygon› gnite Sam
16/04/2008 05:16:14 ‹Absinth› Bye, Samwise!
16/04/2008 05:16:21 ‹Russ› I played poker with Harrow Cards. I drew a full house and six people died.
16/04/2008 05:16:26 ‹Kevin T.› later Sammy
16/04/2008 05:16:26 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Sam!
16/04/2008 05:16:29 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You avoid names like Scro Tem (and Felcharis, and Auriola, and Stickyprick... all real examples) by having a dirtier, filthier mind than all your writers.
16/04/2008 05:16:30 ‹ollibolli› bye samwise
16/04/2008 05:16:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› In some of my modern setting games, I actually name npcs after TV characters to make it easier for the players to get a handle on who they are.
16/04/2008 05:16:38 ‹James Jacobs› Editors HAVE to be filthy minded.
16/04/2008 05:17:02 ‹Kevin T.› and James is the best among them *sage nod* I know...from experience lol
16/04/2008 05:17:02 ‹Absinth› So, Erik's got a filthy mind? *
16/04/2008 05:17:13 ‹Daigle› James, because you have people like Hitchcock to edit for?
16/04/2008 05:17:25 ‹Wyvern› I'm sure someone with a really dirty mind can find an angle to make any name sound bad no matter what.
16/04/2008 05:17:40 * Samwise quit
16/04/2008 05:17:47 ‹Moth› James: You've got a filthier mind than Nick Logue?
16/04/2008 05:17:47 ‹Kevin T.› That is very true Daigle
16/04/2008 05:17:54 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> The spirit in the magic harrow deck appears in Every Adventure. She's a recurring NPC. She's got a story that plays out over the course of the campaign. What happens to her, thoguh, I'm not ready to spoil...
16/04/2008 05:17:56 ‹Kevin T.› Good ol' Hitchcock
16/04/2008 05:18:00 ‹Daigle› Wyvern, Innuendo is a simple comedy.
16/04/2008 05:18:25 ‹Kevin T.› James> Does that mean that Paizo "has" set something up to what happens to hear at the end of the path?
16/04/2008 05:18:36 ‹cappadocius› hey! the Paizo boards don't have any gnome userpics!
16/04/2008 05:19:13 ‹James Jacobs› Googling made up names is important. Becasue if you make them up... chances are OTHER people have as well. Complete nonesene words are usually safe.. but something like "Sandpoint" or "Darkmoon Vale?" Not so safe. AND: Many of them are taken by Warcraft, so you kinda have to have a bit of "Well... we can have a Darkmoon too I guess..."
16/04/2008 05:19:32 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Erik does have a filthy mind.
16/04/2008 05:19:34 ‹ollibolli› Yes they do...
16/04/2008 05:19:36 ‹James Jacobs› I do too, in fact.
16/04/2008 05:19:53 ‹Pygon› James - if I may ask another question about the past - Kevin T. said you had a good story about how Red Hand of Doom actually came to be. Was it someone at WotC with an idea looking for authors, or did someone outside have the idea and pitched it to them, etc. etc. ?
16/04/2008 05:20:03 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> I can go toe-to-toe with Nick Logue, yes.
16/04/2008 05:20:04 ‹ollibolli› look for my "Janras" persone in Ithuriel's revenge in three Parts pbP
16/04/2008 05:20:28 ‹Moth› toe to toe eh? ...
16/04/2008 05:21:00 ‹James Jacobs› Nick Logue's internal censor is just not as around. In fact, I suspect Nick snuck up on his internal censor and jammed a knife in his neck so that he stays alive (and therefore doesn't get replaced by the internal censor tribune) but can't talk.
16/04/2008 05:21:02 ‹Moth› cappadocius: I think theres one or two gnome avatars
16/04/2008 05:21:33 ‹Kevin T.› Very true James
16/04/2008 05:21:39 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> We've had a plan for what happens to the Harrow deck and its spirit from the start, yes. For MANY months.
16/04/2008 05:21:40 ‹Kevin T.› I was there to witness it....was a scary sight
16/04/2008 05:21:44 ‹Russ› So Classic Monsters Revisited mentions shamans and witchdoctors. Assuming we're not just talking adepts, what makes a witchdoctor? *
16/04/2008 05:21:50 ‹Kevin T.› Awesome.
16/04/2008 05:22:17 ‹Daigle› As much flak as Nick gets for being horrific, that dude is seriously too nice for his own good.
16/04/2008 05:22:40 ‹Kevin T.› James> Thanks. That helps. We were wondering if we were going to have to do something with her. Either her spirit goes free having completed her "quest" or that she is stuck bound to the cards. Nice to know that Paizo will kinda of take that out of our hands and do something with it whether for good or ill
16/04/2008 05:22:47 ‹James Jacobs› Dunno. Witchdoctor's one of those words that's got some racist baggage to it. Like the word gypsy. I sort of wish we hadn't used "witchdoctor" actually, but whatever.
16/04/2008 05:22:55 ‹Russ› cappa> Yes they do. The Ominous Fabler is in there.
16/04/2008 05:22:56 * cappadocius thinks there's a Witchdoctor class in Nyambe, and then wonders how much of that is OGL.
16/04/2008 05:22:56 ‹Kevin T.› Nick is a very nice guy.
16/04/2008 05:23:20 ‹James Jacobs› In other words... don't expect a "witchdoctor" prestige class anytime soon. I suggest that they'd be a sorcerer or a druid though. Druid works well.
16/04/2008 05:23:22 ‹Kevin T.› I have a lot of respect and love for that man. I'm glad to be able to call him friend....and yes people please excuse me tonight I am a bit drunk
16/04/2008 05:23:47 ‹ollibolli› the witchdoctor class itself should be OGL, any locations, deities they commune with should be PI
16/04/2008 05:23:55 ‹Pygon› you're surprisingly articulate, though *
16/04/2008 05:24:01 ‹Absinth› No prob, Kevin.
16/04/2008 05:24:15 ‹James Jacobs› Nick IS a nice guy! He's VERY friendly and loyal and a GREAT friend. He's living proof that people who write gruesome or grisly or horrific stuff are, I suspect, generally nicer folk in REAL life than Joe Stockbroker or Ted Salesman could ever even HOPE to be.
16/04/2008 05:24:22 ‹Absinth› Yes, I wouldn't write that well after two White Russians.
16/04/2008 05:24:33 ‹Kevin T.› Very true James
16/04/2008 05:24:47 * Kevin T. looks aobut for a drink to lift in Nick's name and sigh as he has to settle on a bottle of water
16/04/2008 05:24:49 ‹Kevin T.› TO NICK!
16/04/2008 05:24:52 ‹Russ› I was thinking druid or sorc going to mystic theurge, myself, although probably a "Fixed" mystic theurge that doesn't require sucking in two classes
16/04/2008 05:25:09 ‹Russ› Nick's ogre section was a hoot. I loved the games.
05:25:18 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> Nope. We try not to introduce NPCs or storylines and then let them drift away. That character has always been one of the core, central characters for the story, though. She's got some hard times ahead of her, and if the PCs aren't careful... some bad stuff can happen to her.
16/04/2008 05:25:23 * Absinth raises his cup of coffee to salute Nick as well.
16/04/2008 05:25:24 ‹Russ› I'll need to dial it back from "11" to "9" to use it, but what the hell
16/04/2008 05:25:49 ‹Daigle› *mark*
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16/04/2008 05:26:23 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Carefull fixing that mystic theurge, or all of a sudden you'll have no single class wizards and clerics and you'll have to "Fix" them and all of a sudden you'll have a rules arms-race on your hands!
16/04/2008 05:26:26 ‹Kevin T.› James> and that is why I love your work. Pathfinder is more then just a group of adventures. It is an epic storyline that I live for.
16/04/2008 05:26:26 ‹ollibolli›to nick
16/04/2008 05:26:27 ‹Russ› I feel like Nick's drawn it back towards what a mythological ogre was
16/04/2008 05:26:43 ‹Moth› Oh yeah, I've never met Nick in person, but I can tell he's a dude. He likes the strong language is all m saying
16/04/2008 05:27:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. That was the goal. Ogres are things in myths that catch kids and eat them and make bread out of their powdered bones. Imagine seeing THAT in a movie! GAH!
16/04/2008 05:27:16 ‹Kevin T.› heh I hope you are lucky enough to meet Nick one day Moth. He's an amazing guy. I can't wait to work with him again this year at GenCon
16/04/2008 05:27:17 ‹Russ› Heh, I'll keep the power in the secondary class down a lot, and the primary class will suffer through the progression mostl ikely
16/04/2008 05:27:29 ‹Kevin T.› Be a good movie James
16/04/2008 05:27:38 * Absinth imagines Ravenous with hillybilly ogres baking bread.
16/04/2008 05:27:43 ‹Russ› Ogres as wimpy hill giants is unneeded.
16/04/2008 05:27:49 ‹Russ› are unneeded.
16/04/2008 05:28:07 ‹Kevin T.› To be honest Moth, all of Paizo are awesome guys. James, who I was lucky enough to spend some time with, is a really fun guy...just hate how small he makes me feel. Bloke is tall lol
16/04/2008 05:28:10 ‹James Jacobs› Oh... don't get me wrong. I'd totally watch "OGRE BREAD" or whatever they'd call it. "KIDLOAF?"
16/04/2008 05:28:12 ‹Kevin T.› or i'm just short
16/04/2008 05:28:17 ‹Rambling Scribe›or ?
16/04/2008 05:28:28 ‹Absinth› Kevin, what are you working on with Nick at Gen Con?
16/04/2008 05:28:29 ‹Kevin T.› go with the coffee Ram
16/04/2008 05:28:58 ‹Absinth› Rambling Scribe, I'd settle for coffee. Sleep is for the weak (to quote you)
16/04/2008 05:29:01 ‹Russ› Comes with seven vitamins and minerals!
16/04/2008 05:29:06 ‹Kevin T.› I'll possibly be doing IronDM / Hellfire Congress again this year, and possibly "Beat up Nicolas Logue" if that is done again
16/04/2008 05:29:30 ‹Absinth› Sounds scary...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 05:29:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Absinth: You have me there. But maybe a shot of bailey's in it...
16/04/2008 05:29:38 ‹Kevin T.› Which reminds me need to see if Josh has written me back yet
16/04/2008 05:29:43 ‹Pygon› *punch* YOU *whack* GUYS *kick* ROCK *toss*
16/04/2008 05:29:54 ‹Absinth›
16/04/2008 05:30:04 ‹Wyvern› Tough love.
16/04/2008 05:30:09 ‹Russ› I do wish classic modifiers had included stat modifiers, since so many of the critters were presented as warriors (and had a non-elite array)
16/04/2008 05:30:37 ‹Kevin T.› heh
16/04/2008 05:30:50 * Kevin T. pouts as he hasn't gotten word back from Josh yet
16/04/2008 05:30:57 ‹James Jacobs› That info's already in the SRD, isn't it Russ?
16/04/2008 05:31:15 ‹Moth› Kevin T: I'd love to meet these guys. Unfortunately Im stuck down here in the dark-under, so its not real likely
16/04/2008 05:31:28 ‹Kevin T.› To bad Moth
16/04/2008 05:31:36 ‹Absinth› James, if you'd had the time to write a scource book on a region of Golarion, which would you pick?
16/04/2008 05:31:47 ‹Russ› Sort of. You have to extract it
16/04/2008 05:31:50 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The Darklands.
16/04/2008 05:31:54 ‹Kevin T.› Right now I'm just praying i can get to GenCon this year. Got the time off, but money is a pain right now, as well haven't gotten my room and roomates set up yet
16/04/2008 05:31:55 ‹Pygon› lol
16/04/2008 05:31:55 ‹James Jacobs› Which I'll be writing.
16/04/2008 05:31:59 ‹Russ› I'm jumping the gun, thinking of a non-WotC universe already.
16/04/2008 05:32:07 ‹Daigle› Moth, we have plans to pull the better parts of that continent over here and have them replace the worst parts of Texas.
16/04/2008 05:32:09 ‹Kevin T.› Grats James
16/04/2008 05:32:25 ‹Absinth› Hmm, okay. And if you were limited to nations or regions on the "upside"?
16/04/2008 05:32:36 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> ONE of these days... I really REALLY do wanna head down there. If/when I do... I'll let ya know!
16/04/2008 05:32:36 ‹Kevin T.› James> Please do me a favorree and tell Mike that he did an aamazing job with Guide to Korvosa.
16/04/2008 05:32:49 ‹James Jacobs› If by "dark under" you mean Australia?
16/04/2008 05:32:53 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle: The better parts of Australia are called New Zealand.
16/04/2008 05:32:56 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> will do!
16/04/2008 05:33:02 ‹Moth› James: I do, and please do!
16/04/2008 05:33:21 ‹Moth› Daigle: Um .....
16/04/2008 05:33:22 * Daigle isn't getting in between an Aussie/Kiwi battle.
16/04/2008 05:33:32 * Russ loves Australia
16/04/2008 05:33:33 ‹Kevin T.› I rarely ever enjoy reading a "sourcebook
16/04/2008 05:36:49 ‹Russ› The market of people who read gaming stuff is a good one to exploit. I don't feel so optimistic about trying to mine players as a profit source. Turn players into DMs and readers, rather than trying to produce book after book for the players to buy.
16/04/2008 05:37:05 ‹James Jacobs› Players don't buy much.
16/04/2008 05:37:20 * Kevin T. wonders how much of this chat he's going to remember in the morning....and prays he doesn't say anything that he'll regret later
16/04/2008 05:37:23 ‹Russ› Yeah, but it appears to be WotC's goal to extract revenue from them
16/04/2008 05:37:24 ‹James Jacobs› They generally buy only a couple of books a year, I suspect. Whereas GMs buy EVERYTHING.
16/04/2008 05:37:26 ‹Daigle› No, they don't.
16/04/2008 05:37:29 ‹Daigle›
16/04/2008 05:37:33 ‹Kevin T.› True
16/04/2008 05:37:39 ‹James Jacobs› GMs may be only 20% of the average game group... but they spend the most money by far.
16/04/2008 05:37:49 ‹Crimson Jester› baba yaga had a kid??? what happened to the faher?
16/04/2008 05:37:55 ‹Kevin T.› Sadly I end up buying most stuff, to save money on the GM.....as well I'm trying to collect Paizo stuff so...
16/04/2008 05:37:58 ‹ollibolli› sigh... i know
16/04/2008 05:38:04 ‹Russ› Several kids, no? Wasn't one of them named Natasha?
16/04/2008 05:38:12 ‹Kevin T.› The world may never know Crim
16/04/2008 05:38:14 ‹James Jacobs› In my experience, the only players who have big D&D book collections are in one of two categories: 1) They work in the industry and get a lot of it for free, or 2) they are also GMs themselves.
16/04/2008 05:38:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› In my experience most GMs outspend everyone else in their group combined.
16/04/2008 05:38:32 ‹Hill Giant› yeah
16/04/2008 05:38:39 ‹Crimson Jester› I NEED TO START PLAYING MORE
16/04/2008 05:38:42 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> if WotC can find a way to get money out of players... cool! Good for them!
16/04/2008 05:38:50 ‹Russ› heh. Yeah, I outspend my group by about $3,000 a year
16/04/2008 05:38:53 ‹James Jacobs› Baba Yaga has had many kids.
16/04/2008 05:39:06 ‹Crimson Jester› shivers
16/04/2008 05:39:20 ‹James Jacobs› We established that Iggwilv was one of them in Dragon, for example. We can't USE Iggwilv in Golarion, of course... but we CAN have a Witch Queen.
16/04/2008 05:39:32 ‹Moth› One of my players went and bought nearly all the WotC splatbooks ... I dont touch 'em as a rule
16/04/2008 05:39:36 ‹James Jacobs› And Witch Queens are hot. Especially if they rule someplace cold. Therefore: Irrisen!
16/04/2008 05:39:46 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup! One was named Natasha!
16/04/2008 05:39:59 * Russ enjoyed that part of the Tasha link
16/04/2008 05:40:01 ‹James Jacobs› Which can be shortened to Tasha.
16/04/2008 05:40:05 ‹Crimson Jester› ah ha and that is near the orcs
16/04/2008 05:40:08 ‹Moth› Witch Queens are hot. QFT
16/04/2008 05:40:16 ‹James Jacobs› Which makes for some awesome deep-continuity trickery!
16/04/2008 05:40:20 * Kevin T. use to date a girl named Natasha
16/04/2008 05:40:31 ‹Pygon› poor Ashat.
16/04/2008 05:40:44 ‹Kevin T.› Me no Ashat heh
16/04/2008 05:40:50 ‹Kevin T.› and she was hot...and Russian too
16/04/2008 05:41:02 ‹Crimson Jester›
16/04/2008 05:41:15 ‹Russ› Was her mirror twin seriously Ashat?
16/04/2008 05:41:16 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Not really... Irrisen is between the Mammoth Lord barbarians and the Linnorm Kings. To the north is the North Pole. To the south are the Kodar Mountains. you ain't going north or south, in other words.
16/04/2008 05:41:23 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup.
16/04/2008 05:41:27 ‹ollibolli› ah good friend of mine married a russian girl
16/04/2008 05:41:35 ‹Russ› Asshat, sigh
16/04/2008 05:41:46 ‹ollibolli› (and another one, after the first marriage broke up in about 6 weeks)
16/04/2008 05:41:47 ‹Crimson Jester› Mammoth lord barbarians?
16/04/2008 05:41:49 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... a little unfortunate... but <shrug>
16/04/2008 05:41:52 ‹Absinth› James, so Irrisen isn't on the map and therefore not mentioned in the Gazetteer?
16/04/2008 05:41:58 ‹Russ› Were-mammoths!
16/04/2008 05:42:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Amiri, our iconic Barbarian, is from the Mammoth Lord tribes.
16/04/2008 05:42:12 ‹James Jacobs› Irrisen is on the map.
16/04/2008 05:42:48 ‹James Jacobs› The Blog Map was not complete. ALSO: Riddled wiht errors. Honestly... I wish we hadn't had put it up because it's got a lot of problems with it.
16/04/2008 05:43:14 ‹James Jacobs› It's like giving someone a map of Africa from 1920 and air dropping them into the Congo today.
16/04/2008 05:43:22 ‹Kevin T.› Olli...i'll talk to you someday about Russian girls and marriage when I'm not so tipsy...............lets just say I use to be engaged to one, and ended up stuck in the country for 3 months because of it
16/04/2008 05:43:26 ‹Pygon› which upcoming PDF will have the best hi-res Golarion world map?
16/04/2008 05:43:39 ‹Russ› Heh.
16/04/2008 05:43:52 ‹James Jacobs› The Gazetter, Pygon.
16/04/2008 05:43:57 ‹Pygon› thanks
16/04/2008 05:44:02 ‹Russ› Poster map!
16/04/2008 05:44:07 ‹Kevin T.› How nice is that looking James?
16/04/2008 05:44:13 ‹Kevin T.› Better then Greyhawks one?
16/04/2008 05:44:13 ‹ollibolli› ouch
16/04/2008 05:44:27 ‹Russ› The Greyhawk one is terrific, particularly for the size.
16/04/2008 05:44:31 ‹James Jacobs› It has a 4-panel poster map of the world in it. AND: I'm happy to report, it's not bound into the book! Just a single dollop of booger glue! VERY easy to remove without damaging the book or the map.
16/04/2008 05:44:49 ‹Pygon› yay booger glue!
16/04/2008 05:44:50 ‹Absinth› Cool, James!
16/04/2008 05:44:50 ‹Kevin T.› heh I love booger glue
05:45:13 ‹James Jacobs› I like it better than Greyhawk, yeah. But it's by the same cartographer, in any case. ALSO: Unlike Greyhawk... there are no IMPOSSIBLE RIVERS in Golarion.
16/04/2008 05:45:24 * Kevin T. remembes when James use to say that they weren't sure if they were ever going to make poster maps heh
16/04/2008 05:45:35 ‹James Jacobs› Unlikely rivers? perhaps. But no impossible ones.
16/04/2008 05:45:47 ‹Russ› Ah good, I've feared to take my Korvosa map out
16/04/2008 05:45:48 ‹Crimson Jester› impossible ?
16/04/2008 05:45:58 ‹Kevin T.› James> Wasn't so much refering to the cartographer as the detail and useage of the gazateer. I found the greyhawk one useless
16/04/2008 05:46:08 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... not making poster maps was something back in the days of "OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA BECOME HOBOS!" not long after we lost the magazines...
16/04/2008 05:46:24 ‹Kevin T.› Yeah....those were interesting times.
16/04/2008 05:46:25 ‹James Jacobs› Rivers that flow apart, Crimson. They don't do that.
16/04/2008 05:46:39 ‹Kevin T.› Course now James drives around in his limo thanks to my hard earned money heh
16/04/2008 05:46:46 ‹James Jacobs› In the Greyhawk map, for example, you have a big inland sea with two rivers flowing out of it into the ocean.
16/04/2008 05:46:50 ‹James Jacobs› Which is not possible.
16/04/2008 05:47:03 ‹Russ› Well....
16/04/2008 05:47:13 ‹Russ› It is if the rivers feeding it are too small to see.
16/04/2008 05:47:14 ‹James Jacobs› And that's always bugged me. Ever since my first year in college when a geography major pointed out a similar river in my campaign map and made fun of it.
16/04/2008 05:47:18 ‹Russ› (on the map level of detail)
16/04/2008 05:47:24 ‹Moth› Rivers flowing uphill is always fun too
16/04/2008 05:47:35 ‹Kevin T.› That they are Moth
16/04/2008 05:47:40 ‹Moth› "It's magic!"
16/04/2008 05:47:44 ‹Kevin T.› much like toliets flowing in the opposite direction
16/04/2008 05:47:50 ‹Daigle› Lotsa salmon
16/04/2008 05:47:59 ‹Moth› Eh, you get used to it
16/04/2008 05:48:08 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... those suck too, but I'm more intolerant of the impossible splitting rivers or lakes that drain out of multiple rivers.
16/04/2008 05:48:24 ‹Crimson Jester› i guess i nevr looked hard enough
16/04/2008 05:48:37 ‹Daigle› Attitude not altitude.
16/04/2008 05:48:39 ‹James Jacobs› No worries!
16/04/2008 05:49:11 ‹Russ› Is there only one river draining the great lakes?
16/04/2008 05:49:26 ‹Russ› or at least those that are connected.
16/04/2008 05:49:32 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
16/04/2008 05:49:43 ‹ollibolli› splitting rivers... hmmm and river deltas?
16/04/2008 05:50:01 ‹James Jacobs› River deltas are not large scale phenomena that occur on a continental basis.
16/04/2008 05:50:02 ‹Pygon› superior splits to michigan and huron, huron dumps into ontario, ontario into erie and on to the ocean (I think)
16/04/2008 05:50:12 ‹ollibolli› mississippi or the rhone split at their mouths
16/04/2008 05:50:31 ‹James Jacobs› They're specific geological features that occur at mouths... they don't occur along the length.
16/04/2008 05:50:52 ‹ollibolli› correct
16/04/2008 05:50:53 ‹Absinth› It's cool that AP 4 will be set in Cheliax! Thanks for that, James!
16/04/2008 05:51:04 ‹James Jacobs› I'm talking about, say, if the Mississippi river split halfway down the road and another river flowed out into the Atlantic.
16/04/2008 05:51:12 ‹Daigle› Here in Texas we have seven big rivers draining much of the continent toward the gulf.
16/04/2008 05:51:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› Erie dumps into Ontario.
16/04/2008 05:51:14 ‹ollibolli› urg
16/04/2008 05:51:15 ‹James Jacobs› That doesn't work any more than hot snow falls up.
16/04/2008 05:51:17 ‹ollibolli› never happens
16/04/2008 05:51:22 ‹Pygon› thought I might get one backwards
16/04/2008 05:51:35 ‹Daigle› Only short rivers dump into the oceans directly.
16/04/2008 05:51:42 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> AP4 in Cheliax is pretty much a done deal. We should get on that.
16/04/2008 05:52:37 ‹ollibolli› that is GREAT news
16/04/2008 05:52:43 ‹Absinth› I'm really exited about that. Cheliax seems to be one of the most interesting nations of Golarion. Does the AP have a working title?
16/04/2008 05:52:52 ‹Daigle› James... any spoilers for Riddleport?
16/04/2008 05:53:30 ‹James Jacobs› Let me check my AP schedule...
16/04/2008 05:53:31 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 05:53:59 ‹Absinth› Maybe Third Darkness.
16/04/2008 05:54:20 ‹ollibolli› hrhr
16/04/2008 05:54:22 ‹Blazej› Halfway to Third Darkness.
16/04/2008 05:54:26 ‹ollibolli› breakfast calls
16/04/2008 05:54:29 ‹James Jacobs› heh. Yup. Current working title: "ADVENTURES IN CHELIAX"
16/04/2008 05:54:38 ‹Kevin T.› ooo German Pancakes for me Olli please
16/04/2008 05:54:39 ‹Kevin T.› thanks
16/04/2008 05:54:41 ‹Kevin T.› oh and some OJ
16/04/2008 05:54:48 ‹Absinth› Hmm, creative minds at Paizo...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 05:55:00 ‹Kevin T.› It's all the beer and grey goose they drink
16/04/2008 05:55:13 ‹Absinth› Olli, that would be a great title as well. AP 4 : Breakfast Calling
16/04/2008 05:55:15 ‹James Jacobs› Spoilers for Riddleport, hmm?
16/04/2008 05:55:18 ‹James Jacobs› Let's see...
16/04/2008 05:55:24 ‹Russ› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...a_River
16/04/2008 05:55:30 ‹Pygon› Dinner Rising
16/04/2008 05:55:34 ‹Russ› (a distributary of the Mississippi)
16/04/2008 05:55:38 ‹Absinth›
16/04/2008 05:55:38 ‹Daigle› I've bugged you abotu som specifics before
16/04/2008 05:55:48 ‹Daigle› Jeeze.
16/04/2008 05:55:58 ‹Russ› So yeah, that DOES happen.
16/04/2008 05:56:01 * Daigle scrambles letters.
16/04/2008 05:56:11 ‹Russ› That appears to me to be well above the delta
16/04/2008 05:56:12 ‹James Jacobs› Interesting river!
16/04/2008 05:56:27 * Kevin T. chuckles as he just fell out of his chair while trying to get up for food
16/04/2008 05:56:34 ‹Russ› It took some digging to find it. I agree Greyhawk geography is a fiasco.
16/04/2008 05:56:49 * Russ had not heard "distributary" before tonight
16/04/2008 05:56:51 ‹Daigle› The Atchafalaya is a watery lung
16/04/2008 05:57:03 ‹Daigle› Its a swamp that breathes
16/04/2008 05:57:08 ‹James Jacobs› It's pretty rare though.
16/04/2008 05:57:13 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...ibutary
16/04/2008 05:57:38 ‹James Jacobs› Spoilers for Riddleport ON HOLD while I process this new information.
16/04/2008 05:57:53 ‹Russ› HeeIt was an interesting read.
16/04/2008 05:58:09 ‹Kevin T.› So that's Paizo's secret
16/04/2008 05:58:12 ‹Kevin T.› Wikipedia
16/04/2008 05:58:15 ‹Daigle› I'll settle for that.
16/04/2008 05:58:21 ‹Kevin T.› the knowledge is mine MUAHAHAHA I shall take over the industry
16/04/2008 05:58:22 ‹James Jacobs› Wikipedia is very important to my sanity. Yes.
16/04/2008 05:58:42 ‹Kevin T.› Daigle care to help?
16/04/2008 05:58:46 ‹Daigle› The Atchafalaya river basin is just that, a basin.
16/04/2008 05:58:47 ‹James Jacobs› THAT SAID.
16/04/2008 05:59:06 ‹Absinth› Yes, I'd like to know things about Riddleport too. Like, will the AP reveal anything about the arch?
16/04/2008 05:59:09 ‹Daigle› I blew a tire on the last two miles of the bridge and had to ride on the rims for a while.
16/04/2008 05:59:15 ‹James Jacobs› I'd rather err on the side of commanality for things like river flow.
16/04/2008 05:59:15 ‹Russ› Heh.
16/04/2008 05:59:40 ‹Moth› Hmmm - well found Russ - but it does seem like kind of a delta phenomena...
16/04/2008 05:59:59 ‹Daigle› I've crossed the Atchafalaya a zillion times and have fished in it at least a dozen.
16/04/2008 06:00:05 ‹Kevin T.› Okay I feel bad. if Russ is typign I see none of his messages
16/04/2008 06:00:37 * Kevin T. needs to renew his fishing license but doesn't feel like spending 40 bucks
16/04/2008 06:00:45 ‹James Jacobs› If they can list all the distributaries IN THE WORLD in less than 500 words... I'd rather not see them popping up all over the place IF EVER in a map.
16/04/2008 06:01:22 ‹James Jacobs› OK.
16/04/2008 06:01:29 ‹Russ› Kevin - IE problem
16/04/2008 06:01:40 ‹Russ› I can agree with you there, Mr. Jacobs
16/04/2008 06:01:43 ‹Kevin T.› Well then James I like the fact you are trying to keep Golarion very..."realistic" as can be
16/04/2008 06:01:50 ‹James Jacobs› Science made Golarion.
16/04/2008 06:01:54 ‹Daigle› That example is a frickin' huge swamp. Anyone who's ever driven down I-10 crossing that area know that.
16/04/2008 06:02:13 ‹Blazej› Night!
16/04/2008 06:02:15 * Blazej quit
16/04/2008 06:02:18 * Tio quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:02:20 ‹Kevin T.› night Blaze
16/04/2008 06:02:55 ‹Daigle› Late, but...bye
16/04/2008 06:03:15 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not smart enough to know how having a dozen moons would affect tides, or what the implications of a world ten times the size of Earth would be to weather patterns, or what a world without plate tectonics would look like. I like to think I'm smart enough to research and BUILD a world with those features...
16/04/2008 06:03:19 ‹Kevin T.› James you able to give any new info on Pathfinder Society. I assume no, but figured I'd ask for the hell of it
16/04/2008 06:03:38 ‹Kevin T.› That is a smart idea James
16/04/2008 06:03:40 ‹James Jacobs› ...but then, suddenly, you're building an alien world with few real-world touchstones, and the world itself becomes the story, rather than the people who live there.
16/04/2008 06:03:51 ‹James Jacobs› Weird worlds work better in sci-fi than they do in fantasy.
16/04/2008 06:03:59 ‹Kevin T.› totally
16/04/2008 06:04:06 ‹Kevin T.› if you start doing Starship Troopers let me knwo lol
16/04/2008 06:04:08 ‹Absinth› James, Golarion doesn't have plate tectonics? Or was it just as an example?
16/04/2008 06:04:09 ‹Russ› Daigle - it is a major drainage, they actually built a dam to keep it from taking the river away from Baton Rouge
16/04/2008 06:04:27 ‹James Jacobs› No new Pathfinder Society info, alas.
16/04/2008 06:04:43 ‹Russ› The river's 170 miles long, are you sure the swamp is the whole length?
16/04/2008 06:04:46 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion DOES have plate tectonics. It also has 1 moon and it's about the same size as earth.
16/04/2008 06:05:01 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect it's got the same tilt in its axis, and is 93 or so million miles from the sun.
16/04/2008 06:05:08 ‹Kevin T.› Oh well. Thanks though James. KNow I've been buggy you about that since before there was even a Burnt Offerings adventure out heh
16/04/2008 06:05:23 ‹James Jacobs› OK! Back to Riddleport Spoilers...
16/04/2008 06:05:28 ‹Kevin T.› heh
16/04/2008 06:05:32 ‹Kevin T.› a good topic change
16/04/2008 06:05:40 ‹Pygon› and the sun is yellow and gives off the same energy as ours...
16/04/2008 06:05:51 ‹Kevin T.› and the moon has a man in it and is made out of cheese
16/04/2008 06:05:57 ‹Kevin T.› wisconsin cheese to be exact
16/04/2008 06:06:07 ‹Kevin T.› and Jason Bulhman took a big bite out of it once
16/04/2008 06:06:11 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect (can't confirm yet, since it's not written yet) that the two largest and best-attended temples in Riddleport are to Cayden Cailean and Calistria. Norgorber is probably third... and MIGHT be larger, but his public face is not.
16/04/2008 06:06:35 ‹Kevin T.› I can believe Cayden Cailean I easilly see that as a Riddleport church
16/04/2008 06:07:05 ‹James Jacobs› Another Spoiler: Riddleport is not only where the disenfranchised of Varisia end up... it's also where a fair number of Cheliax's disenfranchised ended up. And a lot of the disenfranchised of Cheliax are halflings and tieflings.
16/04/2008 06:07:22 ‹James Jacobs› The halflings have more or less fit in to Varisia as a whole, and can be found living all over.
16/04/2008 06:07:28 ‹Daigle› Russ, yes, not all of the Atchafalaya is swamp, but most of it you can't tell where lake/bayou begins and where it ends. There is a lot of winding in the Mississippi delta and sometimes water routes sound like they are long, but they cover a smaller area than they seem.
16/04/2008 06:07:43 ‹James Jacobs› The tieflings, though... they end up in Riddleport. THERFORE: there's more tieflings in Riddleport than anywhere else in Varisia.
16/04/2008 06:07:54 ‹Absinth› Cool...
16/04/2008 06:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› Theyr'e still probbaly only like 2 or 3 % of the total population, though.
16/04/2008 06:08:03 ‹Rambling Scribe› And fewer gnomes...
16/04/2008 06:08:17 ‹Daigle› There are places in the South where you cross the same river five times in 40 miles distance.
16/04/2008 06:08:24 ‹James Jacobs› Not many gnomes in Riddleport. A fair amount of half elves, though, and dwarves too.
16/04/2008 06:08:25 ‹Kevin T.› James> Is it safe to assume Riddleport has a very..."Musketeer" feel to it? or a "Pirates of the Carribean" feel?
16/04/2008 06:08:35 ‹James Jacobs› Riddleport's big inspiration is Lankhmar.
16/04/2008 06:08:37 ‹Absinth› Is Riddleport considered a mayor city or is it even larger?
16/04/2008 06:08:45 ‹Kevin T.› ah that's a good info James
16/04/2008 06:08:50 ‹Kevin T.› Lankhmar was a fun setting
16/04/2008 06:08:59 * Kevin T. looks to see if he can find his books for Lankhmar
16/04/2008 06:09:02 ‹James Jacobs› Riddleport's the third largest city in Varisia. I believe its population is 12,000 or thereabouts.
16/04/2008 06:09:19 ‹Daigle› James, when is Cayden gona get some PF love?
16/04/2008 06:09:21 ‹Russ› Bah. Vermont cheese is better
16/04/2008 06:09:22 ‹James Jacobs› Pop. 13,300
16/04/2008 06:09:27 * ollibolli quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:09:27 ‹Russ› (so is Oregon cheese)
16/04/2008 06:09:41 ‹Absinth› Can you reveal if the arch will have anything to do with the story in SD?
16/04/2008 06:09:43 ‹James Jacobs› Cayden is going to get his article in Pathfinder #14. Calistria gets her article in Pathfinder #17.
16/04/2008 06:09:55 ‹Daigle› Nice!
16/04/2008 06:10:02 ‹Kevin T.› kewl
16/04/2008 06:10:22 ‹Kevin T.› Will we ever see a halfling community similar to "the shire" in Golarion?
16/04/2008 06:10:28 ‹James Jacobs› The Cyphergate? yes. It will have a role in Second Darkness. It has to, since it's the BIG THING in Riddleport, and setting an adventure there (especially the FIRST adventure set there) without doing something with the Cyphergate is wasted opportunity.
16/04/2008 06:10:35 ‹Daigle› So, did he pretty much accidentally become a god?
16/04/2008 06:10:40 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> Yes. There are halfling communities.
16/04/2008 06:10:55 ‹Kevin T.› When will we see more info on those James?
16/04/2008 06:11:31 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. I suspect Cayden got drunk, probably because he found out Calistria wouldn't sleep with him since he was just a filthy drunk mortal, and since Cayden lived in Absalom and liked booze and was too broke to go to the baths... all he could really do was fix the mortal part.
16/04/2008 06:11:51 ‹Kevin T.› lol
16/04/2008 06:11:52 ‹Absinth› Cool, that gate is a great idea and the fact that SD will be set in the darklands as well, I expect it to reveal if it's an arch or a ring (like it's hinted at in PF #3).
16/04/2008 06:12:15 ‹James Jacobs› Dunno. There'll probably be something about a halfling community in AP4, I suspect, since halflings are so put upon in Cheliax. They'd make a nifty down-on-their-luck town to save or something. maybe.
16/04/2008 06:12:20 ‹Daigle› Awesome!
16/04/2008 06:12:59 ‹Russ› Absinth> Goa'ulds are coming!
16/04/2008 06:13:25 ‹Daigle› Accidental deification is my favorite kind!
16/04/2008 06:13:26 ‹Absinth› The Cyphergate is another great name...
16/04/2008 06:13:26 ‹James Jacobs› OK! It's nearing midnight... and since I stayed late to get some work done on Pathfinder 11 and then started up the chat here at work... It's time for me to bail and head home.
16/04/2008 06:13:29 ‹James Jacobs› Any last minute questions?
16/04/2008 06:13:36 ‹Absinth› Russ, I fear so, yes!
16/04/2008 06:13:50 ‹Pygon› thanks again for your time James
16/04/2008 06:13:54 * Tio quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:13:58 ‹James Jacobs› OR: Any questions that WERE asked that I cruelly didn't answer?
16/04/2008 06:14:00 ‹Daigle› Have your leave, man!
16/04/2008 06:14:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› Thanks James, have a good night.
16/04/2008 06:14:09 ‹Kevin T.› Thanks James
16/04/2008 06:14:13 ‹Kevin T.› Drive safe home man.
16/04/2008 06:14:15 ‹Daigle› Thanks for stopping by
16/04/2008 06:14:25 ‹Absinth› Yes, thanks again. James, any movie recommendations?
16/04/2008 06:14:30 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Thanks to all of you for... crap. I was going to say "stopping by." Now I can't.
16/04/2008 06:14:41 ‹James Jacobs› I always have movie recommendations!
16/04/2008 06:14:43 ‹Daigle› Sure you can
16/04/2008 06:14:48 ‹James Jacobs› "The Ruins" is the best movie in theaters right now!
16/04/2008 06:14:54 ‹James Jacobs› It's pretty grisly though...
16/04/2008 06:14:58 ‹Kevin T.› I'll keep that in mind James
16/04/2008 06:15:09 ‹Kevin T.› Thanks. The Ruins huh...*writes that down*
16/04/2008 06:15:12 ‹James Jacobs› AND: This week we've got "The Forbidden Kingdom" which looks fun and is getting some pretty good advance word of mouth.
16/04/2008 06:15:13 * Absinth takes note and googles for trailer.
16/04/2008 06:15:23 ‹Kevin T.› Course James
16/04/2008 06:15:31 ‹Kevin T.› it's the first movie with Jackie Chan and Jet Li together
16/04/2008 06:15:35 ‹James Jacobs› Ruins is cool because it's an actual R-rated horror movie AND it's a monster movie... not a serial killer type movie.
16/04/2008 06:15:38 ‹Kevin T.› that's a big deal in my book
16/04/2008 06:15:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yup!
16/04/2008 06:15:49 ‹Kevin T.› nice
16/04/2008 06:15:51 ‹Moth› Thanks James - drive safely
16/04/2008 06:15:58 ‹James Jacobs› And with what's-his-name doing the fight coreography.
16/04/2008 06:16:05 ‹Kevin T.› I sawe the previews to Ruins long ago. Looked good
16/04/2008 06:16:07 ‹Russ› Ugh. Not gonna be seeing that.
16/04/2008 06:16:11 ‹James Jacobs› There was anohter movie coming out this week that looked good too...
16/04/2008 06:16:17 ‹Absinth› Thanks! Your LJ is very helpful for picking movies to watch. Great reviews there! And your taste seems to match mine very well...
16/04/2008 06:16:33 ‹Kevin T.› I'm waiting for next month. IronMan, Chronicles of Narnia, and Indiana Jones
16/04/2008 06:16:36 ‹Kevin T.› big movie month
16/04/2008 06:16:38 * Daigle finally saw The Mist
16/04/2008 06:16:38 ‹James Jacobs› OH! 88 Minutes! That looks good.
16/04/2008 06:16:51 ‹Russ› IJ is already out? Wow
16/04/2008 06:16:52 * Link Monkey joins Main
16/04/2008 06:16:54 ‹Russ› (as in soon)
16/04/2008 06:16:58 ‹ollibolli› Thanks James for all the info... (any news on the German translation front?)
16/04/2008 06:17:04 ‹Link Monkey› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...2HbS8Q4
16/04/2008 06:17:07 ‹Kevin T.› May I recommend the film "The Kite Runners" good film if you like culture and movies with heart and meaning
16/04/2008 06:17:22 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:17:29 ‹Kevin T.› lol that video again
16/04/2008 06:17:29 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks! I'm falling way behind on my "see 52 movies this year" thing (no german translation news yet), so hopefully Forbidden Kingdom and 88 Minutes will help me start catching up. THEN: when the Seattle film festival gets here... BOOM!
16/04/2008 06:17:32 ‹Daigle› I see far too few movies
16/04/2008 06:17:36 * Link Monkey quit
16/04/2008 06:17:51 ‹James Jacobs› I do like culture and movies wiht heart and meaning! It's just that I like monsters more.
16/04/2008 06:17:54 ‹Kevin T.› Nice James
16/04/2008 06:18:08 * Russ hasn't seen the first Narnia movie yet
16/04/2008 06:18:09 ‹Kevin T.› heh. Well James then I also recommend "Into the Wild"
16/04/2008 06:18:21 ‹Kevin T.› that film is almost a good example of some chapters in my life
16/04/2008 06:18:21 ‹Absinth› Until now, I've seen really cool movies this year.
16/04/2008 06:18:28 ‹ollibolli› I am not going to the movies anymore... since I have bought my 28inch lcd and dolby surroud...
16/04/2008 06:18:33 ‹Russ› All the good movies come out for my birthday.
16/04/2008 06:18:40 ‹Kevin T.› Russ I recommend you do, it was not bad
16/04/2008 06:18:41 ‹Daigle› I read the books when I was a kid, but I haven't seen the movie
16/04/2008 06:18:49 ‹Kevin T.› and yes I can see when russ Emotes but not when he types
16/04/2008 06:19:13 ‹Russ› Including Star Wars
16/04/2008 06:19:15 ‹Kevin T.› Bloody Germans and their fancy toys. /me looks up plane tickets to go hang out at Olli's house
16/04/2008 06:19:21 * Russ thinks Kevin T is using IE instead of Firefox
16/04/2008 06:19:30 ‹James Jacobs› I was lukewarm to Narnia. Although I do get a kick out of seeing Ben Wootten's name in movie credits.
16/04/2008 06:19:32 * Kevin T. thinks Russ is correct heh
16/04/2008 06:19:38 ‹Russ› (Two of the Star Wars movies were released on my birthday)
16/04/2008 06:19:53 ‹ollibolli› at work firfox does not work at all with the chat... at home, no problems
16/04/2008 06:20:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› I really liked the first Narnia movie.
16/04/2008 06:20:07 ‹Kevin T.› Yeah had that problem this morning or yesterday for you Olli
16/04/2008 06:20:16 ‹Absinth› The last I watched was Before The Devil Knows You're Dead. Great story and great acting (no monsters though).
16/04/2008 06:20:23 ‹Kevin T.› Want a trippy movie watch Mirror Mask
16/04/2008 06:20:31 ‹Kevin T.› made by same blokes who made Labyrinth
16/04/2008 06:20:37 ‹James Jacobs› Don't get me wrong... Monsters aren't REQUIRED for the movie to be great!
16/04/2008 06:20:40 ‹James Jacobs› They help, though.
16/04/2008 06:20:45 ‹Kevin T.› Course not James, but they help
16/04/2008 06:20:48 ‹Absinth› Same here
16/04/2008 06:20:52 ‹Kevin T.› Saw that Dungeon Siege movie today
16/04/2008 06:20:54 ‹Kevin T.› god I wanted to puke
16/04/2008 06:20:56 ‹James Jacobs› AND: The monsters ... omg
16/04/2008 06:21:04 ‹ollibolli› I have started my own private translation of D0
16/04/2008 06:21:07 ‹James Jacobs› I'm sorry. Didn't I warn you about that one? I should have.
16/04/2008 06:21:17 ‹Kevin T.› No James you didn't
16/04/2008 06:21:19 ‹Russ› Speaking of bad movies
16/04/2008 06:21:25 ‹Daigle› Last thing I saw was NBK Saturday night.
16/04/2008 06:21:26 ‹Russ› SIGN THE STOP UWE BOLL PETITION!
16/04/2008 06:21:28 ‹James Jacobs› Any movie by Uwe Boll is bad.
16/04/2008 06:21:32 ‹Russ› Only 800k more signatures to go!
16/04/2008 06:21:34 ‹Kevin T.› This is true
16/04/2008 06:21:35 ‹ollibolli› postal?
16/04/2008 06:21:41 ‹Kevin T.› I knew better, but figured I'd give it a shot
16/04/2008 06:21:47 ‹James Jacobs› He is a TERRIBLE director. In that he's NOT a director. He's an investor who ruins things.
16/04/2008 06:21:50 ‹Russ› http://www.petitiononline.com/...on.html
16/04/2008 06:21:51 ‹Kevin T.› I wanted to kill myself. It was worse then the DragonLance movie
16/04/2008 06:21:53 ‹ollibolli› Postal is quite good
16/04/2008 06:21:59 ‹Russ› We have 200k signatures already!
16/04/2008 06:22:08 ‹Russ› The Dragonlance movie was foul
16/04/2008 06:22:13 ‹ollibolli› i have seen "Alone in the Dark" that's enough
16/04/2008 06:22:19 ‹Kevin T.› Don't know Olli. I'm with James. Uwe Boll should be taken out back, covered in petral, and burned
16/04/2008 06:22:22 ‹Russ› Animation that makes Rank and Base look good
16/04/2008 06:22:38 ‹James Jacobs› I've heard that Postal isn't terrible... but nonetheless. Every second spent watching a Uwe Boll movie is a second NOT spent watching a Werner Herzog movie.
16/04/2008 06:22:41 ‹Daigle› Rankin and Bass?
16/04/2008 06:22:58 ‹Kevin T.› One thing I love about my job
16/04/2008 06:22:58 ‹Russ› Yes, Rank and Base
16/04/2008 06:23:14 ‹Kevin T.› I get to spend almost 8 hours doing nothing but watching movies, working on gaming stuff, or reading books
16/04/2008 06:23:20 ‹ollibolli› very intense mood, Werner Herzog movies
16/04/2008 06:23:21 ‹James Jacobs› And every second spent watching a Herzog movie makes you a better person.
16/04/2008 06:23:22 ‹Kevin T.› all the while getting paid for it
16/04/2008 06:23:35 ‹Kevin T.› Not sure if I've seen a Herzog movie
16/04/2008 06:23:37 ‹James Jacobs› Herzog's one of my favorite directors. He's incredible.
16/04/2008 06:23:49 ‹James Jacobs› Grizzly Man and Rescue Dawn are his two biggest most recent movies.
16/04/2008 06:24:04 ‹Kevin T.› Ooo I saw grizzlyman at the library didn't get it
16/04/2008 06:24:09 ‹Kevin T.› seen rescue dawn that wasn't bad
16/04/2008 06:24:10 ‹James Jacobs› Is good.
16/04/2008 06:24:14 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm OUT!
16/04/2008 06:24:18 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all next time!
16/04/2008 06:24:19 ‹Kevin T.› James I'll get that next time i'm there
16/04/2008 06:24:20 ‹Russ› Simple plot: idiot gets himself and girl killed.
16/04/2008 06:24:22 ‹Kevin T.› later James
16/04/2008 06:24:23 ‹Pygon› bye James
16/04/2008 06:24:30 ‹Daigle› Goodnight!
16/04/2008 06:24:32 ‹Absinth› Bye James, keep up the great work!
16/04/2008 06:24:34 ‹Daigle› Thanks man!
16/04/2008 06:24:38 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks!!
16/04/2008 06:25:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well Folks, I'm out too. 2:30 am here.
16/04/2008 06:25:15 ‹Russ› thanks!
16/04/2008 06:25:16 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Scribe!
16/04/2008 06:25:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Good night eVeryone!
16/04/2008 06:25:23 ‹Kevin T.› only 1:25 here...who wants to go back to the bar with me
16/04/2008 06:25:28 * Russ changes his/her nickname to Russ is out walking his weiners...seriously
16/04/2008 06:25:33 ‹Kevin T.› Adam...Olli? Pygon?
16/04/2008 06:25:39 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:25:42 ‹ollibolli› ja
16/04/2008 06:25:42 ‹Daigle› I'm not long for this mutha neither.
16/04/2008 06:25:49 ‹ollibolli› I am preparing to leave for work
16/04/2008 06:26:01 * Kevin T. sighs
16/04/2008 06:26:05 ‹Kevin T.› probably for the better
16/04/2008 06:26:06 ‹Pygon› sorry, 2:25am here and I'm almost conked out
16/04/2008 06:26:10 ‹Daigle› Kevin, you pick me up in the next 20 and I'm game.
16/04/2008 06:26:12 ‹Kevin T.› don't need to spend any more geld anyhow
16/04/2008 06:26:16 ‹Absinth› Night, Rambling Scribe, keep up the great work as well!
16/04/2008 06:26:18 ‹Moth› see you everyone - gotta work
16/04/2008 06:26:29 ‹Kevin T.› Daigle don't tempt me. I'm buzzed enough to try and fly to Texas
16/04/2008 06:26:40 ‹Daigle› Work strong Moth!
16/04/2008 06:26:43 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:26:45 ‹Kevin T.› and to be honest I miss drinking with you
16/04/2008 06:26:47 ‹ollibolli› I will be online again in about an hour or so
16/04/2008 06:26:52 * Moth quit
16/04/2008 06:26:55 ‹Daigle› You can't make it in 20 though
16/04/2008 06:26:56 ‹Pygon› good night all
16/04/2008 06:27:00 ‹Kevin T.› I'll be asleep by then Olli
16/04/2008 06:27:00 ‹Daigle›
16/04/2008 06:27:05 ‹Absinth› Good night!
16/04/2008 06:27:07 ‹Kevin T.› however I'll catch you when I wake up mate
16/04/2008 06:27:08 ‹Daigle› that'swhere I'm safe
16/04/2008 06:27:10 ‹ollibolli› gn8 pygon
16/04/2008 06:27:12 ‹Kevin T.› always fun talking to you in the morning
16/04/2008 06:27:16 ‹Kevin T.› Night pygon
16/04/2008 06:27:20 ‹Kevin T.› Sleep well my friend
16/04/2008 06:27:20 ‹ollibolli› hehe
16/04/2008 06:27:20 ‹Pygon› o/
16/04/2008 06:27:22 * Pygon quit
16/04/2008 06:27:31 ‹ollibolli› slepp tight mate
16/04/2008 06:27:44 ‹Absinth› And in about ten minutes I'll be in here all alone...Your browser may not support display of this image.
16/04/2008 06:27:52 ‹ollibolli› yepp
16/04/2008 06:28:01 ‹Kevin T.› I suppose. I should take my drunk ass to bed. Had 1 to many Russians and Screaming Dead Nazi's
16/04/2008 06:28:02 ‹ollibolli› I'm leaving too... bye Absinth
16/04/2008 06:28:05 ‹ollibolli› see you later?
16/04/2008 06:28:18 * Tio quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:28:20 ‹Absinth› Maybe, I think I'll be online until noon...
16/04/2008 06:28:21 * ollibolli loves harvey wallbangers
16/04/2008 06:28:30 ‹ollibolli› bye all
16/04/2008 06:28:33 ‹Kevin T.› Who's Harvy Walbangers?
16/04/2008 06:28:41 ‹ollibolli› a cocktail
16/04/2008 06:28:46 ‹ollibolli› tasty
16/04/2008 06:28:49 ‹Kevin T.› I'll ask you about that later Olli
16/04/2008 06:28:50 ‹Kevin T.› remind me
16/04/2008 06:28:54 ‹Kevin T.› i'll try one here if i can
16/04/2008 06:28:58 ‹Absinth› You had that for breakfast?!
16/04/2008 06:29:26 ‹Kevin T.› i'm more of a screwdriver kind of guy for a breakfast drink
16/04/2008 06:29:56 ‹Kevin T.› anywho sack time for me
16/04/2008 06:29:57 ‹Absinth› I'll get me some breakfast too (but no cocktails!)... Later.
16/04/2008 06:30:02 ‹Kevin T.› Later all *hugs*
16/04/2008 06:30:14 * Kevin T. changes his/her nickname to Kevin T. is sleeping and drunk
16/04/2008 06:30:39 * Absinth changes his/her nickname to Absinth is having breakfast
16/04/2008 06:30:51 * ollibolli quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:39:00 ‹Hill Giant› I'm out off here. Bye, all
16/04/2008 06:39:53 * Tio quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:40:04 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:47:51 * Kevin T. is sleeping and drunk quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:51:34 * Tio quit (timeout)
16/04/2008 06:55:04 * Russ is out walking his weiners...seriously changes his/her nickname to Russ
16/04/2008 06:55:07 ‹Russ› boo
16/04/2008 06:56:45 * Absinth is having breakfast quit (timeout)
23/04/2008 02:54:37 ‹Mothman› Hi lojakz
23/04/2008 02:54:44 ‹lojakz› nearly forgot there was a chat tonight.
23/04/2008 02:54:45 * Ask a Shoanti joins Main
23/04/2008 02:55:25 ‹Majuba› Mr. Ask - how do you feel about the new barbarian?
23/04/2008 02:55:27 ‹Mothman› Wyvern: sure, not every character, but in the right game, sure. I'd play a deformed PC
23/04/2008 02:55:33 ‹Majuba› Does it represent *you*
23/04/2008 02:55:54 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mike!!!
23/04/2008 02:56:43 ‹lojakz› i'm just perusing the alpha 2. it's got me pretty excited.
23/04/2008 02:57:07 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hey all - I've got some lag here
23/04/2008 02:57:18 ‹Wyvern› I guess, I'm a traditional player. I like to think my PCs are the strongest and the smartest.... even if they don't have
23/04/2008 02:57:27 ‹Wyvern› Good looking is a given, as there is no stat for that.
23/04/2008 02:57:44 ‹cappadocius› CHA, dude.
23/04/2008 02:57:52 ‹cappadocius› If you're
23/04/2008 02:58:04 ‹Wyvern› Cha is not how
23/04/2008 02:58:14 ‹Wyvern› And it never wa
23/04/2008 02:58:20 ‹lojakz› Mothman> I'm pl
23/04/2008 02:58:30 ‹Majuba› wouldn't call C
23/04/2008 02:58:34 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Majuba -
23/04/2008 02:58:41 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hi Daigl
23/04/2008 02:58:45 ‹Majuba› 'isn't Hitler i
23/04/2008 03:00:05 ‹Majuba› Nope, wasn't -
23/04/2008 03:00:12 ‹Majuba› Ask: It's prett
23/04/2008 03:01:06 ‹Daigle› What am I missi
23/04/2008 03:01:37 * Tiger Dave joins Main
23/04/2008 03:01:47 ‹Daigle› Howdy Tiger Dave
23/04/2008 03:01:57 ‹Radec› better
23/04/2008 03:01:59 ‹lojakz› Majuba> I think Hitler was mentioned in the 1st edition book. I'd have to check though. Lol the anti-D&D folks often cite it as a reason D&D is evil
23/04/2008 03:02:14 ‹Tiger Dave› Hola - how goes? Anyone else busy putting together their Release 2 book?
23/04/2008 03:02:36 * Daigle is skimming through the PDF.
23/04/2008 03:03:13 * Tiger Dave is putting his in document protectors and a binder
23/04/2008 03:03:13 ‹Majuba› Lojakz: yah I checked the 1st edition book - maybe it's not under charisma
23/04/2008 03:03:42 * Blazej joins Main
23/04/2008 03:03:48 ‹Pygon› does anyone know what is meant by a "temporary ability bonus" on the magic items?
23/04/2008 03:03:52 ‹Blazej› Hello. ?
23/04/2008 03:04:00 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
23/04/2008 03:04:00 ‹Pygon› hi Blaze
23/04/2008 03:04:05 ‹Radec› yeah
23/04/2008 03:04:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy Blazej!
23/04/2008 03:04:10 ‹Daigle› Howdy Scribe!
23/04/2008 03:04:12 ‹Russ› People are probably going to be annoyed I made a melee sorc
23/04/2008 03:04:22 ‹Radec› its a bonus that is only there if the item is worn or activated
23/04/2008 03:04:26 ‹Tiger Dave› It means "you get a bonus until you tick the DM off ..." <lol
23/04/2008 03:04:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Howdy Daigle, Hi all!
23/04/2008 03:04:30 ‹Blazej› Russ, what melee sorc?
23/04/2008 03:04:38 ‹Mothman› Hey Scribe
23/04/2008 03:04:45 ‹Mothman› Hi Blazej
23/04/2008 03:04:45 ‹Pygon› Radec - but it says it's a temporary bonus until it's been worn for 24 hours. Then what happens?
23/04/2008 03:04:58 * James Jacobs joins Main
23/04/2008 03:05:06 ‹Blazej› Yo,
23/04/2008 03:05:08 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
23/04/2008 03:05:09 ‹Radec› and from what i understand bonus doesnt apply until its been worn for 24 houras
23/04/2008 03:05:11 ‹Wyvern› Heya James!
23/04/2008 03:05:16 ‹Majuba› Hi James!
23/04/2008 03:05:21 ‹James Jacobs› Hey there, everyone!
23/04/2008 03:05:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi James!
23/04/2008 03:05:25 ‹Pygon› welcome James
23/04/2008 03:05:34 ‹Majuba› We Love You!
23/04/2008 03:05:34 ‹Tiger Dave› Hey James!
23/04/2008 03:05:35 ‹Radec› Hallo James
23/04/2008 03:05:39 * Majuba hides
23/04/2008 03:05:45 ‹Russ› Blazej - for a mod I'm running at PaizoCon. The playtest sorcerer is melee-centric, lots of touch spells.
23/04/2008 03:06:05 ‹Blazej› Ah.
23/04/2008 03:06:15 * Mr Baron joins Main
23/04/2008 03:06:17 ‹lojakz› Hi James
23/04/2008 03:06:23 * JackDaedalus quit (timeout)
23/04/2008 03:06:28 ‹Majuba› what's your favorite changed class among the new four James?
23/04/2008 03:06:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Baron
23/04/2008 03:06:49 ‹Mothman› Hey James
23/04/2008 03:06:49 ‹James Jacobs› hmmm...
23/04/2008 03:07:32 ‹James Jacobs› Probably the new bloodline options for sorcerers, I guess.
23/04/2008 03:07:36 ‹Tiger Dave› Lini's fingers keep creeping me out - I love her fey look
23/04/2008 03:07:38 ‹Mothman› James, got some time for some RotRL questions before the barrage of alpha questions?
23/04/2008 03:07:41 ‹lojakz› gotta say, i'm digging the druid, barbarian, and soceror. never been a huge fan of paladin, guess i need to try one in play
23/04/2008 03:07:53 ‹James Jacobs› Although I do like where druids are heading... but the druid isn't ALL that different than she was before.
23/04/2008 03:08:06 ‹James Jacobs› I've got time for ANY kind of question!
23/04/2008 03:08:23 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a big fan of paladins myself, honestly.
23/04/2008 03:08:28 ‹Mr Baron› did A-2 get released today?
23/04/2008 03:08:32 ‹James Jacobs› It did
23/04/2008 03:08:36 ‹Radec› yes it did
23/04/2008 03:08:38 ‹Wyvern› There should an alternate for wild shape.
23/04/2008 03:08:41 ‹Wyvern› be
23/04/2008 03:08:43 ‹James Jacobs› Should be awaiting you in your downloads page.
23/04/2008 03:08:43 ‹Mr Baron›
23/04/2008 03:08:45 ‹Daigle› Nice podcast recently James...it sounded fun.
23/04/2008 03:08:51 ‹Radec› its hiding as alpha 1
23/04/2008 03:09:05 ‹James Jacobs› Why should there be an alternate for wild shape? It's the core druid thing that really is DRUID and not someone else.
23/04/2008 03:09:13 ‹James Jacobs› Just play a cleric who worships Gozreh.
23/04/2008 03:09:31 ‹lojakz› well, personally James, I'd like to grill you about Aboleths, and the Terrasques role in Golarions history, and about the Oliphant of Jandaly... but i can't think of a specific question.
23/04/2008 03:09:34 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks, Daigle! It was fun recording that show... even if those questions at the end were pretty crazy...
23/04/2008 03:09:35 ‹Tiger Dave› Ninja!I just took a face full of stars - oww! Paladin is my favorite, but not necessarily from a mechanics point of view
23/04/2008 03:09:53 ‹Daigle› Well, theydon't call it a Warm Seat
23/04/2008 03:09:54 ‹Wyvern› I liked the feral shapes on PHB2.
23/04/2008 03:09:58 ‹Wyvern› Less bookkeeping.
23/04/2008 03:10:09 ‹James Jacobs› Aboleths, the Tarasque, and the Oliphaunt are all part of the world. And they're listed in increasing size order!
23/04/2008 03:10:22 ‹lojakz› lol
03:10:22 ‹lojakz› lol
23/04/2008 03:11:10 ‹Majuba› the UA - aspect of nature variant was pretty good, but Beast Shape seems to incorporate that - I like it
23/04/2008 03:11:14 ‹James Jacobs› My problem with paladin is that it's the one that, in my experience, attracts disruptive players the most because they can point to the code and their skewed interpretation and therefore justify their actions. Chaotic Neutral characters too. If there were ever an official chaotic neutral paladin variant... I'd have to ban it from EVERYTHING.
23/04/2008 03:11:20 ‹cappadocius› I was actually disappointed in all the daggoned Wild Shape with the Druid.
23/04/2008 03:11:28 ‹cappadocius› So much of it.
23/04/2008 03:11:58 ‹Wyvern› Is the Paladin d8 or d10 for hit dice?
23/04/2008 03:12:00 ‹James Jacobs› It is what they do.
23/04/2008 03:12:01 ‹cappadocius› I almost never *use* wild shape except to save on the cost of a horse.
23/04/2008 03:12:03 ‹James Jacobs› Error
23/04/2008 03:12:07 ‹James Jacobs› Paladin is d10 hit dice.
23/04/2008 03:12:17 ‹Mothman› James, some Spires of Xin Shalast related questions. Firstly, what is Mhar? Is he a unique creation, or something from Mythos? Care to drop any hints?
23/04/2008 03:12:23 ‹lojakz› that was purely accidental on my part. I'm curious though, I've seen it hinted on the boards the the Terasque plays a significant role (actually it was stated outright) I was wondering if the Terasque and the Oliphant appeared at the same time, or nearly the same time? You've piqued my interest with the art work on the Oliphaunt honestly, and I'm chomping at the bit to find out more about it.
23/04/2008 03:12:40 ‹James Jacobs› You should probably look at playing a different type of character if you don't like wildshape. That's like playing a rogue but hating sneak attack, or playing a rage-enraged barbarian.
23/04/2008 03:13:09 ‹Tiger Dave› That's a shame - I don't play for the mechanics however, I play for the story, and I try to make mine a tad on the noble side.
23/04/2008 03:13:12 ‹Russ› Not everyone wants to play a natural spellcaster that changes in to other things.
23/04/2008 03:13:24 ‹James Jacobs› Mhar is Greg's creation. It's also very close (if not exactly) to the word for "mountain" in Romani or some similar east european language. But Mhar himself is Greg's creation.
23/04/2008 03:13:24 ‹cappadocius› Exactly.
23/04/2008 03:13:37 ‹Russ› Sot it'd be nice if druids at least gave abilitiy progression that wasn't wild shape
23/04/2008 03:13:39 ‹Pygon› James - in the magic item section, several magic items state that the ability boost they provide is temporary until the item is worn for 24 hours. What does that mean, exactly?
23/04/2008 03:13:51 ‹James Jacobs› The Tarasque and the Oliphaunt are from different places; they aren't really linked.
23/04/2008 03:13:53 ‹Pygon› such as Belt of Giant Strength
23/04/2008 03:14:05 ‹Majuba› 1st edition CN Paladin variant - "Fantra" - Dragon Magazine, Feb. 1986
23/04/2008 03:14:07 ‹Russ› To me, saying a druid needs to wild shape is more like saying barbarians shouldn't wear heavy armor, or fighter should melee
23/04/2008 03:14:10 ‹Tiger Dave› I have declared myself the second Paizodin however, hopefully that gets me some extra game table karma (looks at his crappy dice ...)
23/04/2008 03:14:18 ‹cappadocius› I don't recall 2nd edition Druids having so much wildshape crap.
23/04/2008 03:14:23 ‹Mothman› lojakz, agreed, love the oliphaunt artwork!
23/04/2008 03:14:24 ‹James Jacobs› AND: If you want to play a natural spellcaster who doesn't wildshape... there's plenty of cleric options Is All I'm Saying.
23/04/2008 03:14:42 ‹Mothman› James: ok, cool, I'll see if I can ask Greg...
23/04/2008 03:14:50 ‹Russ› Wildshape was a fairly minor part of the 1st/2nd edition druid - why is it the main focus in PF?
23/04/2008 03:14:50 ‹cappadocius› Cleric is a whole separate conceptual bundle from Druid!
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23/04/2008 03:15:09 ‹cappadocius› Russ: Well, it's the main focus in PF because it was the main focus in 3.5
23/04/2008 03:15:15 ‹cappadocius› I mean, that's an obvious answer.
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23/04/2008 03:15:29 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> The basic idea, I believe, is that you can't just immediately get the ability boost from a booster item. You have to wear it for a day before the ability "sets" in on you. This is to prevent, I suspect, the cheesy "we swap the belt of Dexterity back and forth and go through the gantlet trap one at a time."
23/04/2008 03:15:38 ‹Russ› I don't consider it the main focus in 3rd either, just more than in 1st/2nd. PF seems to be taking the leap to main thign the druid does.
23/04/2008 03:15:45 ‹lojakz› Yeah Mothman, I think it might be my favorite piece so far. I've not quite come to the point of using it for my desktop, but i'm close. Some people like Seoni... I like a Colosal creature summoned by a wizard.
23/04/2008 03:16:01 ‹Russ› James> what about the oddity that everyone needs to sleep with a hat and a belt now?
23/04/2008 03:16:15 ‹Pygon› James - ok, if that's the case, it may need to be rephrased. Temporary to me means you get it immediately but lose it after some point
23/04/2008 03:16:37 ‹cappadocius› I've made my peace with the 3.5 Super Pet. I can take the Animal domain to ditch that nonsense. But so much Wildshape...
23/04/2008 03:16:38 ‹cappadocius› *sigh*
23/04/2008 03:16:48 ‹James Jacobs› Those who think that the direction Jason took with the druid is Too Far should ABSOLUTELY post in the messageboards. That is, after all, the whole point of the Alpha stage. Myself? I haven't had a chance to devote much thought to the question.
23/04/2008 03:17:05 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: I do enjoy wildshape on my druids; have enjoyed it from the 1st edition days, in fact.
23/04/2008 03:17:08 ‹Tiger Dave› I think my burning question (and I don't really expect an answer) is the overall Society character creation and conversion stuff - or are we doing pregens for GenCon?
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23/04/2008 03:17:40 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That is indeed an interesting and silly oddity. Post that to the messageboards!
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23/04/2008 03:17:52 ‹Ross› I think I missed the reply from James about the 24 hour period.
23/04/2008 03:17:52 * Russ scribbles notes for later
23/04/2008 03:18:12 ‹Radec› ditto
23/04/2008 03:18:19 ‹Absinth› Greetings from Germany....
23/04/2008 03:18:24 * Russ is waiting for the hue and cry about sorcs w/out familiars
23/04/2008 03:18:28 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
23/04/2008 03:18:33 ‹James Jacobs› NOTE: I'm certainly willing to answer questions about the Pathfinder RPG Alpha... but NOTHING you say to me here will get to Jason. So make sure that, if there's something that you really hate or really love, that you post to the messageboards about it!
23/04/2008 03:18:54 ‹Pygon› noted
23/04/2008 03:19:29 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I really enjoyed the art for the red mantis in the recent blog
23/04/2008 03:19:32 ‹Daigle› So James, can you tell Jason that I thought the.....oh.
23/04/2008 03:19:36 ‹James Jacobs› Personally... I can not WAIT for more sorcerers and wizards without familiars. I'd say that about 80% of the sorcerers and wizards I've seen show up in adventures don't have them. Adventure writers, from Joe Firsttime Author up to Nick Logue forget about familiars almost all of the time.
23/04/2008 03:19:37 ‹Russ› I plan to pin him down in person
23/04/2008 03:19:54 ‹Absinth› Sorry about the lame entry. Ollibolli expects me to say something like this. I'd have preferred something like "Hi!"...
23/04/2008 03:20:05 ‹Russ› Yeah, I defamiliared my PaizoCon NPC already
23/04/2008 03:20:05 ‹James Jacobs› I guess I'm just not understanding why someone would want to play a durid but not like wildshaping.
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23/04/2008 03:20:10 ‹Tiger Dave› I haven't read Sorcs yet, but I don't mind that they don't have familiars - I think that really needs to be a Wizards thing - I'd like to see some distance between the two - ESPECIALLY in regards to the spell list - I am tired of seeing "Spell Name - see 3d level Wizard spell of the same name"
23/04/2008 03:20:28 ‹James Jacobs› That said... I think that providing alternate choices to every core class ability is a Bad Move. ESPECIALLY in a core ruleset.
23/04/2008 03:20:33 ‹Russ› The spell list and ability to summon animals / have an animal companion are often powerful attractions
23/04/2008 03:20:43 ‹Russ› A fairly common druid archtype is the summon/buffer
23/04/2008 03:21:12 ‹James Jacobs› Tiger Dave> I'm not sure how the Society character creation rules are gonna work. The PF Society stuff is pretty much going to be 100% handled OUTSIDE of Paizo's RPG R&D department, actually...
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23/04/2008 03:21:18 * Absinth summons coffee to slay the lag monster.
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23/04/2008 03:22:08 ‹James Jacobs› Arcane sorcerers DO have familairs, though. And the assumption is that every 3.5 sorcerer you see out there is an arcane sorcerer. So... no big deal, really.
23/04/2008 03:22:14 ‹Tiger Dave› That's cool - thanks James - Like I said - not really expecting an answer - I think Mssr. Frost is heading that - just curious if there's been word as to when we'll see what is going on
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23/04/2008 03:22:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy captramses!
23/04/2008 03:23:06 ‹James Jacobs› And that also means, alas, that I'm really worried about the interaction between the print products and the OrgPlay side of things.
23/04/2008 03:23:17 ‹captramses› Howdy
23/04/2008 03:23:22 ‹James Jacobs› And keeping those two parallel streams feeding into the same ocean.
23/04/2008 03:24:22 ‹cappadocius› Russ: Yeah. My druids were always environmental manipulators. Nature itself was comin' to get you, not me turned into a big ol bear.
23/04/2008 03:24:26 ‹Tiger Dave› I thought you said crossing the streams would be bad ... (sorry, couldn't resist)
23/04/2008 03:24:39 ‹Daigle› You talkin' about not splitering Golarion into Org Play Golarion and published Golarion?
23/04/2008 03:24:47 ‹Absinth› I don't like all the animal stuff neither. The wizard had a familar, the druid and ranger have animal companions, the paladin has his special mounds ect. To me as a DM this is getting annoying. It's more like a travelling zoo than an adventure party.
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23/04/2008 03:25:16 ‹cappadocius› Hm. We're on opposite sides here, Absinth.
23/04/2008 03:25:17 ‹James Jacobs› Well... you can still do all the environmental manipulation stuff. And I'm SURE that we'll eventually start having druid prestige classes that take you along different specialist routes. But when you get down to it... the core, basic druid is a shapechanging spellcaster.
23/04/2008 03:25:21 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wraith Lord
23/04/2008 03:25:24 ‹captramses› I tend to swing the other way actually
23/04/2008 03:25:38 * Wraith Lord changes his/her nickname to Charles Evans
23/04/2008 03:25:51 ‹Daigle› Ha!
23/04/2008 03:25:52 ‹captramses› I think that any help the characters can get is a good thing
23/04/2008 03:25:53 ‹cappadocius› hm.
23/04/2008 03:25:54 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles
23/04/2008 03:26:00 ‹James Jacobs› I hope... HOPE that we can keep the Org Play modules and content as part of the world's canon, but that might not be possible. We'll see.
23/04/2008 03:26:09 ‹Charles Evans› Evening Capt. Ramses.
23/04/2008 03:26:24 ‹James Jacobs› Depends if the org play route suddenly wants to do crazy stuff like have helicopter fights or something like that.
23/04/2008 03:26:27 ‹captramses› Evening Charles
23/04/2008 03:26:39 ‹Daigle› Helicopter fights!!!
23/04/2008 03:26:42 ‹Charles Evans› Don't often see you hereYour browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:26:44 ‹Absinth› Hi Charles
23/04/2008 03:26:52 * Daigle hops in Airwolf.
23/04/2008 03:26:52 ‹lojakz› I'm keen on the wildshape. But I like animals... well, mostly puppy dogs. (Guess what my animal companions, and or familiars usually are)?
23/04/2008 03:27:03 ‹cappadocius› Another question, Mr. Jacobs. What is your opinion on Druids not being able to have Vermin companions without a special feat? I always wondered why Druids were only concerned about the charismatic megafauna, instead of the insects or plants that make up vast swaths of nature.
23/04/2008 03:27:21 ‹cappadocius› Heck, why "Vermin" automatically equalled "Non-Good"
23/04/2008 03:27:33 ‹James Jacobs› Also: One of the big goals of the PF RPG is to NOT change things too much, conceptually, at least, from the themes in 3.5. Which means shapechanging druids are in.
23/04/2008 03:27:47 ‹Wyvern› Too many extra appendages to the party slow down the game. Not all players can concentrate on multiple creatures at the same time.
23/04/2008 03:27:53 ‹cappadocius› Yeah, no. I wouldn't suggest changing it THAT much. Just dialling it back a notch.
23/04/2008 03:27:54 ‹Wyvern› But that one is easily fixable.
23/04/2008 03:28:00 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Will Mr. Pett be attending the Pathfinder Chat once PF#9 comes out at this regular time, or wll a special session be scheduled?
23/04/2008 03:28:07 ‹Absinth› It depends. I don't have anything against one animal in a group. If the PC decide to ride, that's good as well, but I DMed campaigns where nearly every PC had an animal by class!
23/04/2008 03:28:10 ‹James Jacobs› Vermin = non-good is mostly because so many folk are so afraid of them. So they make them evil.
23/04/2008 03:28:20 ‹Wyvern› Alternatives are offered, so I can just rule that animals are not allowed.
23/04/2008 03:28:24 ‹James Jacobs› I personally don't have much of a problem at all with the idea of a druid being able to become giant bugs.
23/04/2008 03:28:29 ‹cappadocius› I call shenanigans!
23/04/2008 03:28:31 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Jason Buhlman not made it tonight?
23/04/2008 03:28:34 ‹James Jacobs› ALTHOUGH: Giant bugs ARE kind of unnaturall.
23/04/2008 03:28:41 ‹James Jacobs› Jason was hoping to get here later...
23/04/2008 03:28:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Giant bugs more unnatural than dragons or Vampires?
23/04/2008 03:28:56 ‹Tiger Dave› I was thinking of doing a druid, but I'm going to use "plays as" stats and have a bear buddy (hopefully) all the way up (ie - young bear cub / dog or something, then it grows into a bear, then it grows into a dire bear, etc, The rituals would be a "rededication" ceremony as opposed to a "summon new buddy" ritual - but work out the exact same in the end
23/04/2008 03:29:04 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Giant bugs??? GIant bugs rule!!!
23/04/2008 03:29:06 ‹Charles Evans›
23/04/2008 03:29:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› Jason is afraid of big bugs. End of story.
23/04/2008 03:29:24 * Daigle loves him some bugs!!!
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23/04/2008 03:29:39 ‹Charles Evans› Although, point taken, druids do not often shaopeshift into dragons or vampires, or at least not wthout splatbooks.
23/04/2008 03:29:40 ‹Radec› i never see giant grasshoppers only giant poisonous bugs
23/04/2008 03:29:41 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Footnote: Giant Bugs rule many things but not Shoanti
23/04/2008 03:29:41 ‹captramses› Again I think that any help the characters can get is a good thing; of course it falls to the players to keep track of their familiars, companion and what not.
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23/04/2008 03:29:48 ‹Daigle› Giant bugs are no more unnatural than dinosaurs.
23/04/2008 03:29:58 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> There's no real schedule for authors to appear on this chat. Rich Pett's certainly welcome to join the chat... but that's his choice if he wants to come by or not. He might not even really know this room exists, to tell the truth... not all our authors follow All Things Paizo.
23/04/2008 03:29:58 ‹Radec› i want to fight a giant lady bug in an encounter
23/04/2008 03:29:59 * Russ doesn't want to get rid of wild shapes, he just wants the new druid abilities to focus on at least a few other aspects of the class
23/04/2008 03:30:09 ‹Daigle› Howdy tensor
23/04/2008 03:30:12 ‹cappadocius› Dave: Oh! THAT'S what I wanted to see with Druids! Animals companions that grow with the PC! Bear Cubs, Leopard Cubs, Moa Chicks... Rather than having to get rid of your best buddy at 4th level because you can finally get that bear you wanted.
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23/04/2008 03:30:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hello Everybody
23/04/2008 03:30:45 ‹Pygon› hi Jason, gratz on getting Alpha 2 out!
23/04/2008 03:30:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bull-man!
23/04/2008 03:30:51 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Buhlman! Why so much danged Wild Shape?
23/04/2008 03:30:54 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I have seen Mr. Pett (or some werecabbage pretending to be him) in here early one UK evening....
23/04/2008 03:30:56 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope; giant bugs are less unnatural than dragons or vampires. But the fact remains that there's no giant bugs in the real world, and druids skew toward real-world animals, at least in the lower levels and mid levels.
23/04/2008 03:30:56 ‹Mothman› James, are there any plans at this stage to further explore the roles of Leng and/or Kadeth in Pathfinder?
23/04/2008 03:31:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks Pygon
23/04/2008 03:31:01 ‹Wyvern› Welcome Jason
23/04/2008 03:31:10 ‹captramses› Howdy
23/04/2008 03:31:11 ‹Tiger Dave› Hey Jason!
23/04/2008 03:31:11 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason!
23/04/2008 03:31:13 ‹Mothman› Jason! Well done on getting Alpha 2 out
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23/04/2008 03:31:25 ‹cappadocius› Also, congrats on getting Alpha 2 out so fast!
23/04/2008 03:31:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Capp> Take a look at what wild shape does... as a druid primary schtick.. it is important to be able to use it when needed...
23/04/2008 03:31:32 ‹James Jacobs› There comes a certain point when a bug's physiology has to change, becuase he gets so big he basically suffocates.
23/04/2008 03:31:35 ‹Absinth› captramses, I don't like it, when PCs have to "waste" ressources just to keep their animals with hem all the time. I had far too many "how to get the horse down that chasm"-discussions at the gaming table...Your browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:31:42 ‹Absinth› Hi Jason!
23/04/2008 03:31:43 ‹Radec› good job on the speedy production
23/04/2008 03:31:50 ‹Russ› Hey Jason. At least one request here to move some of the druid's new stuff away from wild shape.
23/04/2008 03:31:53 ‹cappadocius› Dagnabbit. Am I *really* the only one that doesn't use Wild Shape as my primary Druid shtick?
23/04/2008 03:31:54 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Mr. Buhlman... am pleased to see you arrive since that means James acobs can leave you to answer the Pathfinder RPG inquiries...
23/04/2008 03:32:10 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Leng and Kadath will appear now and then in Pathfinder, yes. Or in the Hardcover. Here and there.
23/04/2008 03:32:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Capp> You might be
23/04/2008 03:32:17 ‹Russ› And why does everyone wear a belt and a hat to bed all of a sudden?
23/04/2008 03:32:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Charles> Nice
23/04/2008 03:32:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Necessary evil
23/04/2008 03:32:43 ‹captramses› Never had those discussion I guess due to the fact that most people had exp with the animals they wanted as companions
23/04/2008 03:32:44 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> You're not the only one who doesn't use wild shape much... but of the 4000 druid players... ther's probably only you and one or two others.
23/04/2008 03:32:49 ‹Radec› its a headband not a hatYour browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:32:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> You make it sound like it did not happen before
23/04/2008 03:33:13 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There are evidence for 'bugs' upto at least 'small' (in D & D size terms) in earth's fossil record.
23/04/2008 03:33:14 ‹Absinth›
23/04/2008 03:33:28 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: Well, those other 3998 are doing it wrong!
23/04/2008 03:33:32 ‹Russ› Pretty easy to add an "except when sleeping" to that text
23/04/2008 03:33:33 ‹cappadocius› Wrong I say!
23/04/2008 03:33:40 ‹Tiger Dave› I want a Yeti as my animal companion - good enough for Abe, good enough for me!
23/04/2008 03:33:43 * Russ coughs at James.
23/04/2008 03:33:49 ‹Pygon› Jason - I was a bit confused abotu the term "temporary ability bonus", like that mentioned on the Belt of Giant Strength. Do you get the stat boost after 24 hours, or does it happen temporarily before then somehow?
23/04/2008 03:33:52 ‹captramses› Absinth> In my opinion the animal is the resource unless it is an awakened beast
23/04/2008 03:33:54 ‹Russ› I play RPGA a LOT. maybe 1/2 of druids rely on wild shaping and melee in the RPGA.
23/04/2008 03:34:02 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup! And evidence of euryptrids and other aquatic arthropods up to six feet or more. I'm talking about dog-sized spiders, or house-sized scorpions, though.
23/04/2008 03:34:10 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And as I frequently have pointed out to me, when I make an observation about geology in fantasy settings, 'it's a magical world'.
23/04/2008 03:34:27 ‹cappadocius› Oh, when I'm talking giant bugs, I'm talking bugs with the same CRs as "normal" animal companions.
23/04/2008 03:34:40 ‹cappadocius› A bit wee.
23/04/2008 03:34:58 ‹Russ› Jason - here's a better one: you've made people wear belt while bathing
23/04/2008 03:35:03 ‹Charles Evans› If you can have molten lava at a mere couple of hundred degrees, I don't see what the problem with 'big bugs' is.
23/04/2008 03:35:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> You get the lesser bonus for 24 hours, then the full bonus after that...
23/04/2008 03:35:08 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I still think you're basically complaining that you're complaining that your car isn't giving you a backrub, or your coffee doesn't taste like steak. Druids are shapechanging spellcasters. Have been from the start.
23/04/2008 03:35:11 ‹Russ› And you ever try to wash your hair with a bandanna on?
23/04/2008 03:35:17 ‹Daigle› cappadocious, one of the problems with bugs as companions is that the critters get weaker as you get higher level. There are few high CR vermin
23/04/2008 03:35:24 ‹Pygon› Jason - ah! hmm... *goes flipping*
23/04/2008 03:35:34 ‹Radec› hmmmm interesting
23/04/2008 03:35:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> You are just gonna have to live with it for now
23/04/2008 03:35:44 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Buhlman: Is it too much of a deviation from 3.5 animal companions to have some mechanics for starting with "cubs" of some of the higher CR companions that can develop alongside the PC, rather than "Lupe the Wolf is my BOON COMPANION!. Until 6th level when I ditch him for Ursus the Bear!"
23/04/2008 03:35:58 ‹captramses› Daigle> Are you talking about the rules as they stand
23/04/2008 03:36:01 ‹Russ› Hmm, someone want to check Eldritch Wizardry to see if druids shapechanged back then?
23/04/2008 03:36:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I agree. The "It's a magical world" is a cop out; that's just a designer saing "i'm too lazy to figure it out."
23/04/2008 03:36:12 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Do you have your Korvosa map, guides, Crimson Throne books, etc, handy?
23/04/2008 03:36:12 ‹cappadocius› Daigle: High CR wolf?
23/04/2008 03:36:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Capp> It might be.. but that is a sub system that I think would be better served in a different product later
23/04/2008 03:36:25 * Tiger Dave runs for his coppy of EW ...
23/04/2008 03:36:25 ‹Russ› Just sayin', it is easy to fix the next in alpha 3 to be more like the headband and periapt are now (i.e. wear more or less continuously for 24 hours)
23/04/2008 03:36:27 ‹cappadocius› Or am I "doing it wrong" because I like keeping the same animal companion my whole career?
23/04/2008 03:36:27 ‹James Jacobs› Again... I LIKE big bugs. I honestly have no idea why this argument is even happening.
23/04/2008 03:36:29 ‹Daigle› I was talking about having bugs as companions
23/04/2008 03:36:36 ‹lojakz› Jason>I'd actually like to put my vote in for Cappadocius suggestion too.
23/04/2008 03:36:59 ‹cappadocius› Yeah. I just asked why animal companions aren't allowed to be the single most common animals on Earth.
23/04/2008 03:37:05 ‹Daigle› I don't think I'm talking about the same thing you guys are.
23/04/2008 03:37:09 ‹Charles Evans› (On an aside regarding the 'cop out' the 3.5 DMG seems full of them; it would have been nice to have had some official WotC products, before the end, to resolve more of them)
23/04/2008 03:37:09 ‹Absinth› captramses, I agree with that. I just don't like it, when there are as many or even more animals than PCs. One or two are perfectly fine. I just wanted to voice my opinion that I don't like it, that about half of the classes rely on animals.
23/04/2008 03:37:11 * Daigle is lost.
23/04/2008 03:37:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I don't have my Korvosa or Crimson Throne books handy, no... but I can try to answer questions anyway!
23/04/2008 03:37:35 ‹Mothman› Jason: when people are posting “I don’t like X” and “Y doesn’t work” threads within an hour or two of the alpha being released … is there any way you can take that as constructive feedback?
23/04/2008 03:37:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› There is nothing wrong with keeping your animal.. it gets better as you go up, I am not sure we need a system for raising a dire lion cub... at least not for the effort and space it would require in an already tight book
23/04/2008 03:37:58 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> No
23/04/2008 03:38:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Not really
23/04/2008 03:38:02 ‹cappadocius› Well, I'm not thinking of exotic animals.
23/04/2008 03:38:06 ‹cappadocius› when I talk about cubs.
23/04/2008 03:38:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Some of it is quite frustrating actually
23/04/2008 03:38:13 ‹cappadocius› I think about stuff like Bears, or Lions.
23/04/2008 03:38:18 ‹James Jacobs› One thing about vermin in the game to remember... they don't have an Intelligence score. They're more or less robots. They can't learn tricks. They're DIFFERENT creatuers from animals, and therefore the rules that work on animals don't work quite the same on vermin.
23/04/2008 03:38:20 ‹cappadocius› Bears, especially.
23/04/2008 03:38:20 ‹captramses› Absinth> I can dig what you're sayng
23/04/2008 03:38:28 ‹Charles Evans› North Bridge, Korvosa. What is the clearance of the bridge above the water at low tide? Is it great enough, for example, to accomodate a three masted sailing vessel?
23/04/2008 03:38:41 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: hm. I guess that's a valid argument.
23/04/2008 03:38:58 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not a big sailing vesel, no. But smaller ships, yes.
23/04/2008 03:39:00 ‹Tiger Dave› Page 2 - EW - Upon reaching the 5th Circle, druids then gain the power to shape change (as previously mentioned in GREYHAWK with regard to druid-type monsters)
23/04/2008 03:39:03 ‹Mothman› Jason: didnt think so!
23/04/2008 03:39:15 ‹lojakz› there ought to be a way to house rule that cap. with the larger animals. I can't imagine that there's not some thing out there for the system yet.
23/04/2008 03:39:17 ‹James Jacobs› Barges mostly would be moving up under the north bridge, really, for the most part. And smaller ships.
23/04/2008 03:39:28 ‹captramses› Jason> as to Vermin: What about the awaken spell?
23/04/2008 03:39:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: The bigger sailing vessels dock elsewhere then? Specifically at old Korvosa, (and presumably on the piers on the north side of the river?)
23/04/2008 03:39:48 * Russ is in the camp of thinking vermin should take a feat
23/04/2008 03:39:48 ‹cappadocius› Hey, yeah. DOES Awaken work on Vermin?
23/04/2008 03:39:57 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Cap> Not at the moment...
23/04/2008 03:40:05 ‹cappadocius› Please can it?
23/04/2008 03:40:14 ‹James Jacobs› Awakening a vermin is complex... because now they have skills and feats.
23/04/2008 03:40:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Cap> Probably not..
23/04/2008 03:40:33 ‹captramses› Question; Why Not?
23/04/2008 03:40:34 ‹cappadocius› Russ: Well, as the current 3.5 rules stand, I actually have to take two feats for a vermin companion.
23/04/2008 03:40:35 ‹Russ› Mothman> to be fair, you can uncover mechanical problems in a single reading. I.E. the issues with the auto-crit feat making x4 crit weapons disporptionately favored as compared to 18-20 range weapons.
23/04/2008 03:40:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Exactly james.. and their HD scale is quite strange...
23/04/2008 03:40:45 ‹Absinth› So, seems like Alpha 2 has been released then...
23/04/2008 03:40:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› for their CR...
23/04/2008 03:40:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth> Yes
23/04/2008 03:40:56 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Ah! Yeah... the north bridge IS high enough for sailing ships to go under it, now that I think about it... it'd have to be, since most of the docks are south of it.
23/04/2008 03:41:09 ‹cappadocius› And fixing the HD scale is too much of an issue with backwards compatibility, right?
23/04/2008 03:41:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I had assumed that those were for the fishing fleet?
03:41:45 ‹Pygon› Jason - I assume the intent is to keep the permanent negative level when you are raised from death, but your permanent negative level section doesn't make this distinction, almost suggestion a restoration spell could even cure a death-caused negative level. I assume this is not the case?
23/04/2008 03:41:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Cap> Currently...
23/04/2008 03:41:56 ‹Absinth› Cool. I haven't been to the boards since monday, because yesterday we played. We ended a two year running campaign. All the way from 1st to 23rd level. Wow, feels good...Your browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:41:57 ‹Pygon› *suggesting
23/04/2008 03:42:14 ‹James Jacobs› Again... keep in mind that this is the CORE book. Just because we don't have "awaken vermin" as a core spell doesn't mean we won't do that later. But awakening vermin is something that isn't in the core 3.5 game, and as a result, there's not really a call for it in the Pathfinder RPG. It's PRIME expansion material, though!
23/04/2008 03:42:26 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah. And for merchants.
23/04/2008 03:42:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> Yes.. you can remove permanent neg levels with restoration.. even the ones from death
23/04/2008 03:42:45 ‹lojakz› Absinth>CONGRATS MAN!! that must be nice.
23/04/2008 03:42:50 ‹cappadocius› I'm raising issues as they occur to me. Please don't take my eagerness as demands for instant gratification.
23/04/2008 03:43:03 ‹Pygon› hmm, interesting. thank you.
23/04/2008 03:43:37 ‹cappadocius› It's just *always* bugged me that Druids, these guys who are supposed to care for all of nature, seem to care more about Wolves and Pine Trees than Beetles and Mushrooms, given the relative importance and sheer volume of biomass.
23/04/2008 03:43:56 ‹captramses› I agree with you capp
23/04/2008 03:43:58 ‹Charles Evans› I'm curious how a renaissance society builds a bridge with the clearnace to accomodate tall masted ships. There seems no indication on the map in the Crimson Throne PG (I am still trying to locate a Guide to Korvosa) of a drawbridge status to the north burdge.
23/04/2008 03:44:04 * Majuba comforts cappadocius
23/04/2008 03:44:04 ‹cappadocius› I *know* that D&D is romanticized, but it's hard to leave your degree at home completely.
23/04/2008 03:44:07 ‹Russ› Jason> an issue I have is the number of feats it takes to be an archer comparable to a 3.5E archer. Granted, no ranger yet, but barring a lot of bonus feats, the ranger is basically locked out of being a good archer at the moment.
23/04/2008 03:44:20 ‹Charles Evans› More monumental Thassilonian architecture, or did the map just give a misleading impression?
23/04/2008 03:44:24 ‹James Jacobs› The Pathfinder RPG is already looking like it's going to be a HUGE book. We need it to basically cover the bases that the current SRD covers, the current PHB and DMG really. We have to thus pick and choose our battles when it comes to adding new stuff.
23/04/2008 03:44:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> In what way?
23/04/2008 03:44:57 ‹Russ› Improved Precise Shot as a chain is now replaced by what looks like 3 feats
23/04/2008 03:45:02 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> It's always kidna bugged me that all druids are assumed to be forest druids. Why not mountains or deserts or the sea or the Darklands?
23/04/2008 03:45:11 ‹Radec› i wouldnt mind a 5 inch thick tome for PFRPG
23/04/2008 03:45:16 ‹cappadocius› Well, that too!
23/04/2008 03:45:30 ‹captramses› What about Urban Druids??
23/04/2008 03:45:31 ‹Mothman› Russ: sure, some things don’t need to be tested to know they will cause problems. I’m talking more about the “sorcerers are now unplayable” and “I don’t like what you’ve done with paladins therefore Im giving PFRPG a miss” type comments.
23/04/2008 03:45:49 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: Again... variant environment druids are a great and PRIME expansion book materail. Good stuff for the Pahtfinder Guide to Druidism. Not necessarilly for the Pathfinder RPG, which needs to cover a bazillion other topics whill still being physically capable of being printed and lifted by Man.
23/04/2008 03:45:54 ‹cappadocius› captramses: VERY difficult to do.
23/04/2008 03:46:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> I will look into that, but I do want to stress that rangers still need to be worked on
23/04/2008 03:46:13 ‹captramses› Not really capp
23/04/2008 03:46:17 ‹James Jacobs› Urban druids are so far afield from the core that they need to wait for some expansion book in 2015, I suspect.
23/04/2008 03:46:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> You forgot that it needs to also be typed by man... or a man.. ugg
23/04/2008 03:46:33 ‹James Jacobs› And I say that as the guy who designed the 3.5 urban druid.
23/04/2008 03:46:34 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: Sweet Gozreh, I'll have your babies if you put a Pathfinder Guide to Druidism on the fast track for early release.
23/04/2008 03:46:34 ‹Russ› Jason> Improved precise shot has become 3 feats, and the shoot into grapple is gone. I can see moving it to 2 feats, as it was pretty good, but 3 feats is a long chain, and really, you don't get anything for the 1st two once you have the 3rd
23/04/2008 03:46:38 ‹Mothman› James: Karzoug is described as one of the most powerful runelords … does that pretty much put a level cap on the other runelords if and when they show up in future Pathfinder? Would this also put a theoretical level cap on high level NPCs in Golarion (no level Silly Elminsters running around out there?)
23/04/2008 03:46:47 ‹captramses› What about the Speaker of the City Class
23/04/2008 03:46:50 ‹Tiger Dave› "... thus was born ... the Pathfinder Gym and Weightlifting subscription ..."
23/04/2008 03:47:08 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: Karzoug was described as a middling runelord.
23/04/2008 03:47:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> You must remember that you get feats a bit faster... and to be honest, archers have it a bit too good imo
23/04/2008 03:47:30 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: e and Laznist were on a par, Sorhsen and the Pride one were above him.
23/04/2008 03:47:36 ‹Russ› Hmm. Maybe it is two. But I miss the grapple ability, was a nice capstone.
23/04/2008 03:47:40 ‹Charles Evans› Alaznist, that is.
23/04/2008 03:47:50 ‹Mothman› Charles: Oh? I thought towards the end of Spires of Xin Shalast he was described as being amongst the more powerful of the runelords
23/04/2008 03:47:54 ‹Charles Evans› Sorshen
23/04/2008 03:47:55 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I'll consider your offer... but remember we're about a year and a half away from the core Rules themselves from being out. A druid book is probably several years away, if even that.
23/04/2008 03:48:06 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: There were 7 of them
23/04/2008 03:48:17 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Where is it said that Karzoug was one of the most powerful Runelords?
23/04/2008 03:48:23 ‹Absinth› These comments suck, Moth. Sometimes I have the feeling ppl are posting stuff like that just for the sake of posting and being noticed by the designers.
23/04/2008 03:48:26 ‹Charles Evans› If he's equal third with Alaznist, there are still three below him.
23/04/2008 03:48:28 * cappadocius schemes and plots to figure out how to be tapped to be a contributor for PGtD.
23/04/2008 03:48:32 ‹Russ› I recall it was said he was in the 2nd tier
23/04/2008 03:48:33 ‹James Jacobs› I've always thought of Karzoug as more or less being right in the middle.
23/04/2008 03:48:39 ‹James Jacobs› Alaznist is not as powerful as him.
23/04/2008 03:48:47 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: He may be *the Wealthiest* Runelord
23/04/2008 03:48:50 ‹Russ› i.e. 3rd or 4th, so pretty close to the middle, indeed
23/04/2008 03:48:52 ‹James Jacobs› Sorshen and Xanderghul were CERTAINLY more powerful then Karzoug. Zutha probably was too.
23/04/2008 03:48:53 ‹Mothman› James, Charles: I may have misread it .... i thought towards the end of Xin Shalast - sounds like Im mistaken
23/04/2008 03:49:10 ‹cappadocius› Speaking of the grappling rules, I'm not going to complain about those yet because I haven't had a chance to playtest them, but I suspect my Grappling Dwarf Monk is going to throw a conniption when he sees the new rules.
23/04/2008 03:49:10 ‹James Jacobs› He's probably at Rank 3 or 4 in power, though.
23/04/2008 03:49:34 ‹Charles Evans› I think Xin-Shalast was certainly described as the most impressive city in Thassilon in the empire's heyday.
23/04/2008 03:50:02 ‹Russ› Jason> skill system is now better than Core, nice step up. But it is still pretty hard to get any sort of diversity in knowledge skills.
23/04/2008 03:50:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Capp> Sorry.. grapple has got to become a simpler mechanic.. even if that means nerfing it..
23/04/2008 03:50:09 ‹cappadocius› Who *is* a candidate for most powerful Rune Lord?
23/04/2008 03:50:11 ‹James Jacobs› Xin-Shalast WAS the most impressive city in Thassilon. Being the richest Runelord makes that an easy stunt to pull off.
23/04/2008 03:50:12 ‹Charles Evans› But he's Runelord of Greed, a master transmuter, o that kind of figures.....
23/04/2008 03:50:30 ‹captramses› Can we write a review of the PF for the Paizo Boards??
23/04/2008 03:50:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hugging your opponents to death should not always be a superior option to doing that things that this game is designed to do.. like swinging a sword and casting a spell...
23/04/2008 03:50:47 ‹Mothman› Unfortunately I dont have the book on me now, so I can't check what it was I was thinking of .... yeah, maybe I was getting it confused with "richest" (After all money = power!)
23/04/2008 03:50:47 ‹Russ› Jason> Ugh. If we want a lame grapple, we can play 4th. Try and keep it usefl!
23/04/2008 03:50:52 ‹Majuba› Russ> the third feat of the new chain is a heck of a lot more powerful than Improved Precise Shot ever was. Along with Deadly Aim? Ranged has it pretty good
23/04/2008 03:50:59 ‹Charles Evans› Cappadocious: Xanderghul, I think...
23/04/2008 03:51:08 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... I'd probably rank the runelords like this, from strongest to weakest: Xanderghul, Sorshen, Zutha, Karzoug, Alaznist, Krune, and then what's-his-name.
23/04/2008 03:51:13 ‹James Jacobs› Belimarius.
23/04/2008 03:51:14 ‹Absinth› But hugging to death seems to be a far more friendly way to kill ppl...Your browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:51:15 ‹Russ› (I haven't read the Alpha 2 grapple, mind you)
23/04/2008 03:51:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> It is far from useless in the v2 rules... it is not as good as it was in 3.5 though
23/04/2008 03:51:21 ‹Charles Evans› At least he claimed to be emperor or something like that.
23/04/2008 03:51:32 ‹James Jacobs› Xanderghul was the most powerful Runelord.
23/04/2008 03:51:33 ‹cappadocius› Well, my monk player, who is a grappler in real life, would argue vociferiously against describing grappling as "hugging people to death".
23/04/2008 03:51:37 ‹James Jacobs› Sorshen was CLOSE behind him though.
23/04/2008 03:51:53 * clight101 joins Main
23/04/2008 03:51:56 ‹James Jacobs› Xanderghul and Sorshen being the only two runelords who held their title from the start of Thassilon to the end.
23/04/2008 03:51:56 ‹Russ› Jason> coming back to grapple, though, working with CMB, I think that size should scale better than +1 for large and huge, the large creatures with improved grab have turned into fairly poor grapplers.
23/04/2008 03:52:04 ‹cappadocius› As I said, I really, really appreciate simplification, but is there a way to simplify the mechanic while keeping some options for doing stuff with it?
23/04/2008 03:52:12 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You missed out the eighth Runelord, the Runelord of Divination, so powerful that he or she successfully erased all records, and hid their very existance from subsequent centuries....
23/04/2008 03:52:32 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There's always someone in the shadows pulling the strings.Your browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:52:36 ‹lojakz› lol @ Charles Evans
23/04/2008 03:52:36 ‹captramses› I have to say that I am not happy with some of the skill combinations
23/04/2008 03:52:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Capp> I hear ya... but it jsut cannot be as good as it was.... there is a reason we see so many grapple builds.. and why their players are so upset about any nerfing...
23/04/2008 03:52:46 ‹cappadocius› Charles: The Flumphs.
23/04/2008 03:52:52 ‹Jason Bulmahn› brb... 3 min...
23/04/2008 03:53:02 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
23/04/2008 03:53:02 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
23/04/2008 03:53:02 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... divination can rot. BORING SCHOOL! The Thassilonians were right in regulating it to the universal school.
23/04/2008 03:53:03 ‹Charles Evans› THE RUNELORD OF FLUMPHS!!!
23/04/2008 03:53:13 ‹Charles Evans›
23/04/2008 03:53:19 * Russ plays an insanely lethal diviner.
23/04/2008 03:53:22 ‹Absinth› Jason, will you try to make spells like Dispell Magic or similar "complicated" spells more simpel?
23/04/2008 03:53:31 ‹lojakz› Can we call him Bob, Charles?
23/04/2008 03:53:41 ‹cappadocius› Buhlman: Agreed! I just feel we went from 10 in 3.5 to a 7 in the Alpha 1 and then to a 4 in the Alpha 2.
23/04/2008 03:53:46 ‹James Jacobs› He stepped out... but I think that dispel magic could stand to be simpler. As in: You make a will save to avoid it.
23/04/2008 03:54:02 ‹James Jacobs› The whole subsystem of how Dispel Magic works now is WAY too complicated.
23/04/2008 03:54:07 ‹Russ› Ugh. That would be too much of a nerf.
23/04/2008 03:54:15 ‹James Jacobs› I have to re-read that spell Every Time.
23/04/2008 03:54:21 ‹cappadocius› Was the Detect Magic as a subsystem of Spellcraft made in the right forum?
23/04/2008 03:54:25 ‹cappadocius› Because I liked that idea.
23/04/2008 03:54:29 ‹Russ› Saves to negate things are one of the worst problems with 3.5E right now. Everyone builds to make every save, because failing a save is often the end of the fight.
23/04/2008 03:54:55 ‹James Jacobs› That's an oversimplification, Russ, but it is indeed a problem/issue.
23/04/2008 03:55:00 ‹captramses› Well I think Dispel Magic is pretty straight forward
23/04/2008 03:55:04 ‹Majuba› Russ> Agreed - made my very first character to do exactly that
23/04/2008 03:55:11 ‹Majuba› 'has 8 classes
23/04/2008 03:55:23 ‹cappadocius› zounds.
23/04/2008 03:55:27 ‹paul› any gsl news?
23/04/2008 03:55:33 ‹James Jacobs› Dispel Magic can probably stand to have the formula used to determine if it's successful or not set aside in a sidebar or something at the very least.
23/04/2008 03:55:36 ‹paul› or is it all still in flux
23/04/2008 03:55:41 ‹James Jacobs› No GSL news yet.
23/04/2008 03:55:41 ‹Absinth› In our grande finale yesterday, there were so many spells like that being thrown around and my head is still aching from trying to remember all the stuff that is "on" at the same time. Okay, 23rd lvl is complicated, but this happened on mid to hig levels as well.
23/04/2008 03:55:47 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How much is the title of Pathfinder #9 'Escape from Old Korvosa' an exaggeration? 8-10 level PCs can dimension door, cast water breathiong and walk acorsds the river bed, improved invisibility, etc, etc, etc.
23/04/2008 03:56:05 ‹Charles Evans› Or is it about someone else getting out of Old Korvosa?
23/04/2008 03:56:10 ‹cappadocius› Antimagic Field across the whole neighborhood!
23/04/2008 03:56:11 ‹Russ› The main problem with dispel is checking for EVERY effect, especially on an area dispel (which at least ends when you make one on a given target)
23/04/2008 03:56:12 ‹James Jacobs› Honestly... at this point... I'm more interested in GSL developments out of curriosity than anything else. I'm pretty stoked to be sticking with 3.5 and Pathfinder RPG.
23/04/2008 03:56:17 ‹cappadocius› Take THAT stupid mid-level PCs!
23/04/2008 03:56:35 ‹lojakz› I'm pretty happy with the direction PRPG is taking. I'm chomping at the bit to have some more play test sessions
23/04/2008 03:56:43 * Daigle is stoked too!
23/04/2008 03:56:55 ‹Charles Evans› capadocious: Ah, but JJ has said in former questions about the underdark that e does not like to nerf PC's hard-earned toys...Your browser may not support display of this image.
23/04/2008 03:56:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Back
23/04/2008 03:57:01 ‹Pygon› Anti Magic can't stop me! All my abilities are Extraordinary!
23/04/2008 03:57:05 ‹captramses› Like I said I am not happy wth some of the skill combinations
23/04/2008 03:57:07 * Petebob joins Main
23/04/2008 03:57:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The PCs can certainly come and go easy if they have those spells (keep in mind not every party will)... but if you'll remember your "Escape from New York," it wasn't Snake Pliskin who had to escape. It was the guy he was sent in to rescue.
23/04/2008 03:57:18 ‹cappadocius› I'm happy with it, even if I am frustrated that, once again, a mainstream product isn't catering to my unusual and fringe tastes.
23/04/2008 03:57:19 ‹Daigle› Howdy Petebob
23/04/2008 03:57:28 ‹paul› our group is staying as well, its just fun to talk about around the table
23/04/2008 03:57:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Underdark... OH! You mean the Darklands! right!
23/04/2008 03:57:32 ‹Tiger Dave› I think for us, Friday will be Pathfinding into Kobold King and then back into the RotRL AP.
23/04/2008 03:57:55 ‹clight101› So when will we know more about Pathfinder Society?
23/04/2008 03:58:02 ‹Mothman› The underdark is the darklands, the underdark is the darklands, the underdark is....
23/04/2008 03:58:10 ‹Blazej› How would the three spell limit optional rule affect the NPCs casters in the current adventures? Some have written into them way over that limit.
23/04/2008 03:58:22 ‹James Jacobs› Soon, I suspect. Nick Loge's gonna be starting here soon enough, and that's pretty much what we're waiting on, I think, to REALLY get moving on it.
23/04/2008 03:58:28 * cappadocius wants to get back to the Epic Battle of the Door at the end of Burnt Offerings; having trouble getting his group back together after an extended hiatus.
23/04/2008 03:58:34 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: But how appropriate is the 'Escape' part of the title of Pathfinder #9?
23/04/2008 03:58:54 ‹Absinth› Charles, good question.
23/04/2008 03:58:55 ‹Charles Evans› (Since PCs are likely to have no difficulty getting out themselves)
23/04/2008 03:59:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> That is a problem.. which is why it is currently an optional rule... just floating it out there to see what folks think
23/04/2008 03:59:13 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Buhlman > In anticipation of my cranky player, how much change should we expect to see in the Monk?
23/04/2008 03:59:19 ‹Charles Evans› (Given that PCs are unlikely to have difficulty getting out themselves)
23/04/2008 03:59:21 ‹paul› the buffs rule?
23/04/2008 03:59:22 ‹Absinth› Good question, Charles.
23/04/2008 03:59:24 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Very. To do a bit of a spoiler... there are some IMPORTANT NPCs imprisoned somewhere in Old Korvosa. The plot of the adventure is that the PCs have to go in and rescue them, and then make sure that they survive long enough to escape.
23/04/2008 03:59:34 ‹cappadocius› Yay!
23/04/2008 03:59:49 ‹cappadocius› Please, please, PLEASE tell me that there's a Shoanti Duke of Old Korvosa, A Number One.
23/04/2008 03:59:53 ‹Charles Evans› So maybe 'break out from Old Korvosa' might have been more appropriate?
23/04/2008 03:59:56 ‹Hill Giant› So the title is direct reference to the previously mentioned movie?
23/04/2008 03:59:57 ‹Charles Evans›
23/04/2008 04:00:05 ‹lojakz› i'm still slogging through Seven Days to the Grave.... man i need to get on that
23/04/2008 04:00:22 ‹James Jacobs› There's no Shoanti Duke of Old Korvosa. THere IS an Emperor of Old Korvosa... and he DOES sorta force the PCs to play a crazy violent blood sport in order to talk to his captive...
23/04/2008 04:00:31 ‹Majuba› -` `
23/04/2008 04:00:33 ‹Mothman› 'Break out' doesn't sound nearly as cool - or evoke the same material...
23/04/2008 04:00:34 ‹cappadocius› A NUMBER ONE! WOO!
23/04/2008 04:00:35 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, what about allowing for a feat to extend the buff limitation for yourself?
23/04/2008 04:00:36 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. "
23/04/2008 04:00:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Capp> The monk is going to get some abilities that make him better at combat maneuvers than most others.. this should help
23/04/2008 04:00:44 ‹Mothman› "The Korvosa Redemption"
23/04/2008 04:00:47 ‹paul› i like the buffs thing, may need a easy read list of all the buffs and there casting times
23/04/2008 04:00:49 ‹James Jacobs› It's a play on the movie "Escape from New York."
23/04/2008 04:00:53 ‹James Jacobs› That's why the title is what it is.
23/04/2008 04:00:57 * cappadocius nods at Mr. Bulmahn. Thanks!
23/04/2008 04:01:09 ‹James Jacobs› "Break Out of Old Korvosa" is a clumsy and awkward title.
23/04/2008 04:01:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> That is one of the thoughts I actaully had... stay out of my head damn you
23/04/2008 04:01:14 ‹Ask a Shoanti› It wouldn't do to have every NPC a Shoanti I guess. . .
23/04/2008 04:01:15 ‹Absinth› Jason, will you do something with all the different kinds of boni, then? In our session yesterday, it was one of the most asked question what kind of bonus this spell provides and what kind the other does. Do they stack or not, I found it really annoying.
23/04/2008 04:01:19 ‹Russ› Soooo why is it a Chelaxian devil binder instead of a Chelish devil binder?
23/04/2008 04:01:22 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm:
23/04/2008 04:01:24 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: Art Direction -> "Emperor of Old Korvosa = Isaac Hayes"?
23/04/2008 04:01:25 ‹Russ› Since it would be a Chelish merchant?
23/04/2008 04:01:29 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, No
23/04/2008 04:01:32 ‹lojakz› Excellent. I've always thought the Monk had some unrealized potential in 3.5. Sounds like you might be trying to bring out that potential Jason
04:01:35 ‹James Jacobs› Chelaxian = nown
23/04/2008 04:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› Chelish = verb
23/04/2008 04:01:53 ‹Mothman› nown?
23/04/2008 04:01:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth> Right now I am leaving bonuses alone.. they are a very pervasive system that has wide ranging implications if I change them
23/04/2008 04:01:57 ‹James Jacobs› A Chelaxian is a person from Cheliax. That's pretty much the only time you use that word.
23/04/2008 04:01:57 ‹Mothman›
23/04/2008 04:01:58 ‹James Jacobs› noun
23/04/2008 04:01:59 ‹Russ› Ok, the boards say it differently. Sigh.
23/04/2008 04:02:04 ‹Pygon› Cello = instrument
23/04/2008 04:02:07 ‹James Jacobs› You can't have a "chelish"
23/04/2008 04:02:08 ‹Russ› Mike McM said Chelish was "applies to a person"
23/04/2008 04:02:10 ‹Ross› noun and adverb, you mean?
23/04/2008 04:02:19 ‹James Jacobs› You can be a Chelish person.
23/04/2008 04:02:24 ‹Petebob› Ah good. I'm looking for opinions, and you're just the folks. For Paizocon this weekend I'm trying to decide what to run....
23/04/2008 04:02:30 ‹Petebob› TC1
23/04/2008 04:02:30 ‹James Jacobs› A Chelish person, though is not necessarilly a Chelaxian.
23/04/2008 04:02:33 ‹Ross› Err, adjective. Not adverb.
23/04/2008 04:02:38 ‹cappadocius› Chelaxian is a noun. Chelish is an adjective.
23/04/2008 04:02:41 ‹James Jacobs› He could be a native born varisian, for example.
23/04/2008 04:02:43 ‹Petebob› Dun#150: Kill Bargle
23/04/2008 04:02:53 ‹Russ› cappa> that doesn't work with Chelaxian Devil Binder.
23/04/2008 04:02:55 ‹James Jacobs› Yes. Chelaxian = noun, chelish = adjective.
23/04/2008 04:02:58 ‹Petebob› B4: The Lost City (converted to PFRPG)
23/04/2008 04:03:01 ‹Absinth› Jason, agreed. But can't we have a table or something, where we can look at for the bonus-stuff? Would be far cooler than having to flip through the book again and again...
23/04/2008 04:03:05 ‹cappadocius› You can be a Chelaxian devil binder, where devil binder is modifying Chelaxian; or you can be a Chelish devil binder, where Chelish is modifying devil binder.
23/04/2008 04:03:08 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Chelish devilbinder is more correct, yes.
23/04/2008 04:03:22 ‹clight101› I do have to commend you guys for taking adventure writing to the next level. I remeber reading through adventures and being bored to tears now I actually can not wait to read the next adventures to see where they take the PCs. Was psrt of the premise of the pathfinder adventures to make them more readable aside from putting out interesting and fun adventures
23/04/2008 04:03:32 ‹Russ› That would be a "devil binding Chelaxian" in English.
23/04/2008 04:03:38 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Given that Harrow readings and Varisian fortune tellers seem to be such an integral part of Curse of the Crimson Throne, I hope that some of the senior villains have their own hired fortune tellers giving them info. on the PCs, (and harrow points to use in fights)
23/04/2008 04:04:08 ‹James Jacobs› The whole issue with Chelaxian vs Chelish is a really REALLY unfortunate F***-up, in my opinion... we should have gone with one word or something. But it's kinda in print now, so we have to get used to it. As do all of you. Sorry about that.
23/04/2008 04:04:25 ‹cappadocius› Russ: I speak English and "Chelaxian devil binder" WOULD be an acceptable formulation.
23/04/2008 04:04:28 ‹Charles Evans› Unless all the villains in Crimson throne or 'sophisticated people who don't believe in all that mumbo-jumbo' (imagine that said in a suitably mincing accent)
23/04/2008 04:04:34 ‹Russ› Ok. Well, I hope I am forgiven if I get it wrong in my mod
23/04/2008 04:04:34 ‹cappadocius› It would, in fact, mean something different than Chelish devil binder.
23/04/2008 04:04:45 ‹James Jacobs› clight 101> Making the adventures fun to read just on their own is an important part of the whole point. Glad you're enjoying them!
23/04/2008 04:05:06 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> If you mess it up in a module that we're going to print... we'll fix it. That's our job.
23/04/2008 04:05:08 ‹Russ› Well, a chelaxian devil binder isn't binding cheliaxian devils
23/04/2008 04:05:17 * Samwise joins Main
23/04/2008 04:05:20 ‹cappadocius› Chelaxian devil binder = A devil binder who happens to be from Cheliax. Chelish devil binder = one who practices the Chelish form of devil binding.
23/04/2008 04:05:31 ‹Russ› James> this is just something for the PaizoCon events, but I'm trying really hard to get things right
23/04/2008 04:05:35 ‹Tiger Dave› Yeah - I think the AP path is the way to make adventures profitable - a defined lifecycle, rapid release of support products of immediate interest, then into the next AP lifecycle. Its very "next TCG expansion" without all the negatives in it. I don't know if you Paizoans deliberately designed your AP with that goal in mind, or stumbled across it - but its genius all the same
23/04/2008 04:05:39 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
23/04/2008 04:05:48 ‹Ross› I have a river into darkness question. What's Ployglot? A trade language?
23/04/2008 04:05:49 ‹Russ› Cappa> that's NOT how it is used in the friggin' mods, so PLEASE don't confuse it even worse.
23/04/2008 04:06:07 ‹cappadocius› Hmph.
23/04/2008 04:06:12 ‹Absinth› Now that you stick with the 3.5 rules, are spell cards an option for a GameMastery release?
23/04/2008 04:06:23 ‹cappadocius› Doggone modules making up their own usage rules.
23/04/2008 04:06:25 ‹Russ› I suppose I disagree with the idea that the "English" in "English m
03:10:36 * James Jacobs joins Main
30/04/2008 03:10:43 ‹Absinth› Greetings, Paizonians!
30/04/2008 03:10:45 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: If so, have you got Wolfgang Baur signed up for it?
30/04/2008 03:10:46 ‹Nick Logue› JAMES JACOBS!!!!
30/04/2008 03:10:47 ‹Lilith› Nick Logue: Can't wait for Dark Vistas! Must go write stuffs! :typerhappy:
30/04/2008 03:10:49 ‹Pygon› It's Paizo!
30/04/2008 03:10:50 ‹Eyebite› The doctor is in!
30/04/2008 03:10:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› James!
30/04/2008 03:10:56 ‹Wyvern› Heya James
30/04/2008 03:10:58 ‹Fray› James! You're alive! wooo!
30/04/2008 03:10:59 ‹Charles Evans› :neutral:
30/04/2008 03:11:03 ‹Lilith› JAMES JACOBS! Enjoying the cookies? :cookie:
30/04/2008 03:11:05 ‹Daigle› Fray, I honestly haven't heard squat about them lately, but they seem to be selling well enough!
30/04/2008 03:11:06 ‹Charles Evans› :)
30/04/2008 03:11:06 ‹Nick Logue› Lilith's work on the Dark Horizons line is AWESHUM!
30/04/2008 03:11:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Absinth!
30/04/2008 03:11:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy James Jacobs.
30/04/2008 03:11:14 ‹James Jacobs› Aloha!
30/04/2008 03:11:18 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth!
30/04/2008 03:11:21 ‹Ross› Huh. I'm not getting login messages.
30/04/2008 03:11:36 ‹James Jacobs› The cookies were DELICIOUS! Note: "were." They are now gone.
30/04/2008 03:11:42 ‹Russ› Hey James, nice to see you folks in person
30/04/2008 03:11:42 ‹Mr Baron› hello James!
30/04/2008 03:11:46 ‹Absinth› Way too early.... :)
30/04/2008 03:11:48 ‹Nick Logue› Ross: where are you not getting login messages?
30/04/2008 03:11:55 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: At the rate Mike said he was eating them, I'm not surprised. ;)
30/04/2008 03:11:56 ‹Nick Logue› Sinister?
30/04/2008 03:11:57 ‹The Last Rogue› Aloha . . .hmmm someone watching "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" lately?
30/04/2008 03:12:05 ‹Fray› James have you been dodging Jason's agents this last week?
30/04/2008 03:12:15 ‹Russ› I was too busy logging and running to get a cookie, alas
30/04/2008 03:12:21 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... Jason forgot all about that little incident.
30/04/2008 03:12:28 ‹Fray› hahhaa
30/04/2008 03:12:33 ‹Fray› I bet he did
30/04/2008 03:12:33 * Charles Evans is slightly less :pissed: now after an evening of avoiding the Paizo threads which get him really annoyed.
30/04/2008 03:12:40 ‹Ross› Nick Logue, here.
30/04/2008 03:12:40 ‹Absinth› Lucky you...:)
30/04/2008 03:12:52 ‹Nick Logue› Oh!
30/04/2008 03:12:55 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: It's meant more to be using Cthulhu Lovecraftian goodness in the True20 system. :)
30/04/2008 03:12:58 ‹Fray› It is already the subject of rumor on the boards...
30/04/2008 03:13:00 ‹Nick Logue› Can't help you there...but Lilith probably could!
30/04/2008 03:13:00 ‹James Jacobs› NICK! Hi!
30/04/2008 03:13:03 ‹Ross› Nick Logue, I should be getting prompted when people sign it.
30/04/2008 03:13:05 ‹Pygon› Ross - try ctrl F5 - but if you're using IE, there might be a wait...
30/04/2008 03:13:11 ‹Nick Logue› JAMES!!!
30/04/2008 03:13:14 ‹Nick Logue› ROCK!
30/04/2008 03:13:20 * Korwin quit
30/04/2008 03:13:31 ‹Nick Logue› Yeah, I can see those login messages okay!
30/04/2008 03:13:45 ‹Nick Logue› Must be a glitch o' some kind.
30/04/2008 03:13:52 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: I inquired about Wolfgang Bar partcipation since he provided those Shoggoth and hoT updates for 3.5 Paizo.
30/04/2008 03:13:56 ‹Nick Logue› James is KING!
30/04/2008 03:14:04 ‹Nick Logue› KING OF THE MONSTERS FROM THE FUTURE IS JAMES!
30/04/2008 03:14:07 ‹Nick Logue› Says I!
30/04/2008 03:14:13 ‹James Jacobs› Today: The Cloverfield theme finally arrived on iTunes! AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
30/04/2008 03:14:23 ‹Absinth› :D
30/04/2008 03:14:26 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: I'm not sure about Wolfgang's participation as of yet. There are a lot of Cthulhu fanatics from the Werecabbages working on it though.
30/04/2008 03:14:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :woot:
30/04/2008 03:14:34 ‹Pygon› It had a theme? Guess I wasn't paying attention to that part
30/04/2008 03:14:58 ‹James Jacobs› It did; it played over the end credits.
30/04/2008 03:15:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Sorry. A crimson throne #7 hangover question: What level of insanity were the critter line-ups reducing your art official to, and will she ever recover enough to reinstate them?#
30/04/2008 03:15:16 ‹Fray› Yea, the theme is all jittery and sounds like bad techno playing on an 8-track
30/04/2008 03:15:20 ‹James Jacobs› It's a really quite awesome theme too; lots of "Godzilla" music elements.
30/04/2008 03:15:29 ‹Charles Evans› (The bestiary height comparisons)
30/04/2008 03:15:36 ‹Nick Logue› Nice!
30/04/2008 03:15:38 ‹Nick Logue› I enjoyed Cloverfield!
30/04/2008 03:15:40 ‹Absinth› I'm waiting for the theme to a very nice animated movie I saw last weekend; the Dragonhunters. It had an awesome OST but it hasn't released yet...
30/04/2008 03:15:55 * Russ has Patfhinder #9 and the Gaz ...print, not PDF
30/04/2008 03:15:59 ‹Charles Evans› I can appreciate that they might have been very difficult to do with computer art adjusting.
30/04/2008 03:16:13 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Enough that they were not worth continuingt to vex Sarah.Also? Whenever we did big monsters and little monsters in the same Bestairy? The lineup ended up looking really lame.
30/04/2008 03:16:14 * Fray has PF#9 pdf also...
30/04/2008 03:16:26 ‹Charles Evans› And trying to work out how big they should all be relative to one another.
30/04/2008 03:16:28 ‹James Jacobs› The half-page openers we're doing now I like MUCH better.
30/04/2008 03:16:33 ‹Absinth› I saw a great animated movie last weekend, The Dragonhunters.
30/04/2008 03:16:41 * Ross should have his tomorrow. Shipping usually takes two business days. Three if Paizo missed the days mail.
30/04/2008 03:16:47 ‹Absinth› Had an awesome score too!
30/04/2008 03:16:48 * Timitius joins Main
30/04/2008 03:17:12 ‹cappadocius› Oh! James Jacob!
30/04/2008 03:17:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any hope of having individual scale things? An human or dwarf getting eaten or sat upon in every pciture?
30/04/2008 03:17:14 ‹Lilith› TIMMMEH!
30/04/2008 03:17:20 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I agree. I felt the line-ups were a bit gimmicky.
30/04/2008 03:17:24 ‹Charles Evans› Probably not though.
30/04/2008 03:17:25 ‹James Jacobs› It was also limiting how fancy we could get with the actual monster pictures.
30/04/2008 03:17:33 ‹Ross› Because of the repeated art.
30/04/2008 03:17:37 ‹Timitius› Hello Room!
30/04/2008 03:17:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› My gazeteer notice said it would ship by May 6th. Then it will take ~ 2 weeks to get here.
30/04/2008 03:17:43 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Probably not.
30/04/2008 03:17:43 ‹cappadocius› Yes, Nick *did* say that Mr. Jacobs was the guy to pester about monsters from the future!
30/04/2008 03:17:46 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Timitius.
30/04/2008 03:17:54 ‹Nick Logue› He be!
30/04/2008 03:17:57 ‹Russ› I enjoy size comparisons. But I can live withot them.
30/04/2008 03:17:59 ‹James Jacobs› I HATE reprinting art.
30/04/2008 03:18:22 ‹Absinth› Yes, but I like the size comparsion. It would be nice to do it the way Privateer did in their Monsternomicon books.
30/04/2008 03:18:35 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Even for calendars?
30/04/2008 03:18:39 ‹Timitius› Charles Evans: So formal!
30/04/2008 03:18:44 ‹James Jacobs› We have no plans for calendars that I know of.
30/04/2008 03:18:47 ‹Charles Evans› (reprinting art?)
30/04/2008 03:19:13 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: I am trying to behave myself tonight.
30/04/2008 03:19:14 ‹James Jacobs› That's different. Reprintign art for calendars is fine. It's reprinting art in books that seems lazy/cheesy/cheap to me.
30/04/2008 03:19:21 ‹Nick Logue› I don't mind the occasional reused illo - I always enjoyed seeing the same art pop up now and again in the old Rifts books.
30/04/2008 03:19:22 ‹James Jacobs› Even if it IS often the only choice.
30/04/2008 03:19:37 ‹Fray› yep, no plans for a calendar
30/04/2008 03:19:38 ‹Nick Logue› But yeah, the line-up also was pretty restrictive to the SIZE proportions of the baddies.
30/04/2008 03:19:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› It's been driving me crazy lately that WotC reprinted a bunch of art from Dungeon and Dragon produced by Paizo...
30/04/2008 03:19:51 ‹Absinth› Like for the Plague article?
30/04/2008 03:19:52 ‹Russ› I noticed PF Alpha 2 reused the same picture at least once
30/04/2008 03:20:02 ‹cappadocius› Oh!
30/04/2008 03:20:10 ‹Fray› James I see paizo con provided us with more Jason pics... ;)
30/04/2008 03:20:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There was a discussion in here about WAR art, and the editting process a few nights ago.
30/04/2008 03:20:26 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, how much of the old Wizards' "Dark Corners of the Earth" came from your homebrew?
30/04/2008 03:20:35 ‹James Jacobs› Also... with lineups, we needed to request monsters wiht NO backgrounds for the actual entries. Artists kept doing backgrounds anyway, and Sarah had to clip them as a result which was VERY time consuming. Now, though, we CAN have backgrounds when we want; it's better this way.
30/04/2008 03:20:37 ‹Charles Evans› James JAcobs: How many drafts does he g through?
30/04/2008 03:20:44 ‹James Jacobs› Wayne?
30/04/2008 03:20:59 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Yes.
30/04/2008 03:21:03 ‹Timitius› Fray....be nice. Jason was VERY kind enough to run TWO sessions of his "Cursed Lot" one-shot.
30/04/2008 03:21:03 ‹Nick Logue› Backgrounds Rawk!
30/04/2008 03:21:04 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Yes.
30/04/2008 03:21:14 ‹Charles Evans› We were appreciating his cover art.
30/04/2008 03:21:20 ‹James Jacobs› As far as I know, he draws the image on thick matte board, sends us a scan, and if we approve it, he paints it right over the sketch. I suspect he only ever does the one draft.
30/04/2008 03:21:24 ‹Nick Logue› I want Jason pics!
30/04/2008 03:21:25 ‹Nick Logue› Where can I get them!
30/04/2008 03:21:27 ‹Russ› Cursed Lot was a hoot!
30/04/2008 03:21:28 ‹Nick Logue› ?
30/04/2008 03:21:30 ‹Fray› Timi I'm always nice...
30/04/2008 03:21:45 ‹James Jacobs› For Seoni, for example, he did 2 versions of her sketch; he didn't like the first one so he took it upon himself to do a second.
30/04/2008 03:21:54 ‹Timitius› Russ: SHUT UP! I DO NOT KNIT!!!!!
30/04/2008 03:21:56 ‹James Jacobs› But once he starts painting... that's that. No turning back.
30/04/2008 03:22:04 ‹Fray› Nick I happened to have saved a couple...
30/04/2008 03:22:11 * Russ made many ears bleed.
30/04/2008 03:22:16 * Timitius Bull Rushes Russ
30/04/2008 03:22:18 ‹Eyebite› For those of us unlucky SOBs who couldn't make it to PaizoCon, can I get a one sentence summary of "Cursed Lot"?
30/04/2008 03:22:22 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> A fair amount of "Far Corners of the World" came from my homebrew world. I'd guess probably 40%?
30/04/2008 03:22:23 ‹Russ› Jason killed me off.
30/04/2008 03:22:37 ‹Timitius› He deep fried me.
30/04/2008 03:22:38 ‹Eyebite› *living vicariously through those that got to go*
30/04/2008 03:22:41 ‹Russ› Eyebite: 6 PCs who couldn't find any other party that would have them.
30/04/2008 03:23:02 * Fray living vicariously through Eyebite
30/04/2008 03:23:31 ‹James Jacobs› Jason likes killing PCs. He builds encounters often SPECIFICALLY to kill them, and then wonders what happened to the characters that he'd designed all the long running campaign threads for.
30/04/2008 03:23:46 ‹Fray› hahha
30/04/2008 03:23:59 ‹Russ› I nearly killed off Mike McArtor in my game :P
30/04/2008 03:24:07 * Timitius living vicariously through those living vicariously through him, thus creating bioamplification that only makes him smarter.
30/04/2008 03:24:08 ‹Fray› maybe Jason shouldrun some Paranoia instead
30/04/2008 03:24:11 ‹Russ› I guess he had a BIT poor, since he could go below -10
30/04/2008 03:24:13 ‹James Jacobs› That's easy, though, Russ.
30/04/2008 03:24:20 ‹Russ› bit more, argh
30/04/2008 03:24:23 ‹Russ› The dice HATE Mike
30/04/2008 03:24:26 ‹Russ› Crit city.
30/04/2008 03:24:37 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Who tells your artists what the 'look' of costumes for a region should be? Do you have books with old woodcuts that you thumb through to decide what you want, or take trips to your local museums?
30/04/2008 03:24:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mike's characters die a lot.
30/04/2008 03:24:46 ‹Fray› Timi no Strange Days vicariousityness going on...
30/04/2008 03:24:49 ‹Timitius› Russ: And he almost died right after I handed that character off to him. unbelievable.
30/04/2008 03:25:53 ‹Russ› Two scythe crits in one fight. Happy DM.
30/04/2008 03:25:59 ‹Pygon› ouch
03:26:09 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Some times we provide illustrations of costumes and the like for artists, usually by searching for reference on the internet (we did a lot of this for the Vudra stuff in Pathfinder 9). Other artists, particularly Wayne and Eva Widermann are just SUPER AWESOME at costume design.
30/04/2008 03:26:21 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: x4 multiplier... happy DM indeed.
30/04/2008 03:26:36 ‹Russ› I like the shot of the queen with the crossbow bolt in Escape, btw :)
30/04/2008 03:26:37 ‹James Jacobs› Eva's especially gifted at costumes.
30/04/2008 03:27:01 ‹Wyvern› James what's the announcement for this week?
30/04/2008 03:27:07 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... That picture & scene is one of my favorites so far in Crimson Throne. Even cooler for it being a true last-minute addition to the adventure.
30/04/2008 03:27:08 ‹David Wickham› the blood seemed off
30/04/2008 03:27:14 ‹Absinth› James Jacobs, is this your job as well?
30/04/2008 03:27:18 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I'm thinking of the Ileone picture (in green) from the end fo Pathfinder #7, for one which definitely caught the eye.
30/04/2008 03:27:33 ‹Timitius› Nick Logue: Two places to get pics of Paizocon: http://roleplayers.meetup.com/...357568/
30/04/2008 03:27:50 ‹James Jacobs› The picture of Ileosa in her green dress was basically just us asking the artist: Make her look regal and sexy and use green.
30/04/2008 03:27:52 ‹Timitius› And Cosmo's pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...014@N07
30/04/2008 03:28:01 ‹Russ› It's a great scene. Good call making it off camera. Makes the PC wonder what the hell really happened.
30/04/2008 03:28:08 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> No anouncement that I know of...
30/04/2008 03:28:15 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Erik's thing>
30/04/2008 03:28:18 ‹James Jacobs› I can't say yet.
30/04/2008 03:28:22 ‹Wyvern› Yeah
30/04/2008 03:28:24 ‹Wyvern› Ah
30/04/2008 03:28:25 ‹Pygon› some announcement was hinted at on the EN boards I guess
30/04/2008 03:28:32 ‹Pygon› ah... ok
30/04/2008 03:28:42 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Too late. We alreay know Paizo is buying a nearby Pizza shop.
30/04/2008 03:28:43 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
30/04/2008 03:28:48 ‹Charles Evans› :)
30/04/2008 03:29:08 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: The maths of that was easy, given some of the blog entires made by Paizo satff.
30/04/2008 03:29:14 ‹James Jacobs› It's Erik's anouncement to reveal. And since that anouncement could be one of a dozen or more things we've got in the works... I don't know which one it is he wants to anounce.
30/04/2008 03:29:16 ‹Charles Evans› Staff.
30/04/2008 03:29:17 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs: The proper emote is: :-"
30/04/2008 03:29:36 ‹Timitius› :-"
30/04/2008 03:29:39 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: You mean:-\"
30/04/2008 03:29:42 ‹Lilith› :whistle:
30/04/2008 03:29:44 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh... those blog posts... they're tough to do...
30/04/2008 03:30:09 ‹Timitius› yeah...how'd you do that one. I selected and got crap.
30/04/2008 03:30:14 ‹David Wickham› yuo have blogs? where
30/04/2008 03:30:22 ‹James Jacobs› paizo.com/blog
30/04/2008 03:30:25 ‹David Wickham› ?
30/04/2008 03:30:31 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was thinking more of the Iuz blog/journal by Buhlman, which occasionally comes with pictures....
30/04/2008 03:30:35 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:30:40 ‹James Jacobs› wait...
30/04/2008 03:30:42 ‹Timitius› :-"
30/04/2008 03:30:56 ‹James Jacobs› http://paizo.com/paizo/blog
30/04/2008 03:30:58 ‹Charles Evans› The Alpha release day was quite clear on the importance of Pizza in the Paizo offices.
30/04/2008 03:31:06 ‹David Wickham› i knew that
30/04/2008 03:31:11 ‹Absinth› :-"
30/04/2008 03:31:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Ah. His live journal blog.
30/04/2008 03:31:26 ‹David Wickham› i was think you had one of site
30/04/2008 03:31:32 ‹James Jacobs› I have a livejournal blog too: Bigfoot Country.
30/04/2008 03:31:34 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: try typing it manually, and using '\\' instead of ''
30/04/2008 03:31:47 ‹Absinth› Strange... Am I even here?!
30/04/2008 03:31:48 ‹Charles Evans› '\', I meant.
30/04/2008 03:31:53 ‹Hill Giant› Timitius: : - "
30/04/2008 03:31:55 ‹Pygon› I see you Abs
30/04/2008 03:31:59 * Lilith is stalking many Paizonians on LiveJournal.
30/04/2008 03:31:59 ‹Timitius› :-\
30/04/2008 03:32:05 ‹Daigle› Absinth, Yes you are....am I?
30/04/2008 03:32:07 * Absinth is reminded of The Others
30/04/2008 03:32:08 * Lilith sees Absinth.
30/04/2008 03:32:08 ‹Hill Giant› : - "
30/04/2008 03:32:16 ‹Timitius› :-\
30/04/2008 03:32:17 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: It halves the number of '\\' around I mean.
30/04/2008 03:32:19 ‹Hill Giant› It keeps removing the /
30/04/2008 03:32:25 ‹Blazej› My goodness. I don't think I was aware of Cosmo when any of those pictures were taken.
30/04/2008 03:32:27 ‹Timitius› GAH!!!
30/04/2008 03:32:44 ‹James Jacobs› I don't have time or energy to post to my Livejournal blog as much as I want, alas... and when I do... I tend to avoid gaming related posts and obsess on movies.
30/04/2008 03:32:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› :-"
30/04/2008 03:32:46 ‹Russ› Coz was pretty darned stealthy
30/04/2008 03:32:49 ‹Absinth› Cool.... :)
30/04/2008 03:32:54 ‹Russ› We leaned on him until he agreed to game :)
30/04/2008 03:32:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› weird...
30/04/2008 03:33:07 ‹Timitius› Russ: :lol:
30/04/2008 03:33:14 ‹Blazej› Not even a picture of me looking forward
30/04/2008 03:33:26 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: : - \\ "
30/04/2008 03:33:35 ‹Charles Evans› :-\"
30/04/2008 03:33:42 * Russ was doing a whale imitation in a few of those shots
30/04/2008 03:33:44 ‹Daigle› Mutant faces!!!!
30/04/2008 03:33:48 ‹Timitius› ;-\"
30/04/2008 03:33:56 ‹Daigle› *the emotes
30/04/2008 03:33:56 ‹Timitius› :-\"
30/04/2008 03:34:01 ‹Daigle› not y'all's pics
30/04/2008 03:34:02 ‹Charles Evans› Timityius: You semi-coloned that time.
30/04/2008 03:34:06 ‹Timitius› AH HA!
30/04/2008 03:34:12 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: Well done....:)
30/04/2008 03:34:13 ‹Eyebite› Nice save Daigle, nice save
30/04/2008 03:34:16 ‹Daigle› I semi-coloned once...
30/04/2008 03:34:29 ‹Daigle› Messy.
30/04/2008 03:34:40 ‹Blazej› http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...079603/
30/04/2008 03:35:16 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was hoping to avoid this, but second Darkness you indicate in an earlier chat the PCs will be moving around a lot I think? Will t be possible to give them a sense of a permanent stable, base of operations?
30/04/2008 03:35:16 ‹Timitius› Waltero looks holy in that one.
30/04/2008 03:35:21 ‹Absinth› Nice pictures! If I wouldn't live half a world away, I would've been there. Awesome "mini", Lilith!
30/04/2008 03:35:21 ‹Hill Giant› "You do know how to whistle don't you? You just put colon, hyphen, backslash, and quotemark together and enter"
30/04/2008 03:35:28 ‹Russ› good old arrogant bastard ale
30/04/2008 03:35:28 ‹Lilith› I like this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...stream/
30/04/2008 03:35:31 ‹Blazej› Timitius, yes he does.
30/04/2008 03:35:36 ‹Lilith› Hill Giant: Nice one! :D
30/04/2008 03:35:39 * Joey Virtue quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:35:46 ‹Lilith› Absinth: Thanks! :hugs:
30/04/2008 03:35:59 ‹Blazej› :-"
03:36:06 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:36:13 * Russ is excited about multiple vaults
30/04/2008 03:36:15 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> AP4 will have a pretty stable base of operations type theme to it. But Second Darkness doesn't stick around in one place for long.
30/04/2008 03:36:26 ‹Daigle› Blazej, who are the three in that pic?
30/04/2008 03:36:57 ‹Timitius› I find this one intriguing.....http://www.flickr.com/photos/26085014@N07/2449081079/
30/04/2008 03:36:59 ‹Blazej› I'm the one on the left.
30/04/2008 03:37:03 ‹Timitius› http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...081079/
30/04/2008 03:37:26 ‹Blazej› Nice shoes
30/04/2008 03:37:26 ‹Lilith› Timitius: Totally Cosmo's fault, that picture. :D
30/04/2008 03:37:31 ‹Absinth› Yeah, nice carpet...
30/04/2008 03:37:39 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If they're travelling with a caravan, permanent fixtures could be made by havingfamiliar NPCs around all the time? (I'm not sure why I go the idea that it would be caravan travel, and so I shall shut up on the subject now.)
30/04/2008 03:37:42 ‹James Jacobs› Each Second Darkness adventure takes place in a different spot, and some of them are quite far away from the previous spots. It's much more of a travel adventure than the first two.
30/04/2008 03:37:46 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs' shoes!!!
30/04/2008 03:37:54 ‹Blazej› Eating the goldfish crackers.
30/04/2008 03:38:08 ‹James Jacobs› Those ARE my shoes! hot
30/04/2008 03:38:13 * Daigle loves goldfish!
30/04/2008 03:38:15 ‹Timitius› Blazej, from left to right....Blazej, waltero, and zoocat.
30/04/2008 03:38:23 ‹Timitius› zootcat
30/04/2008 03:38:26 ‹James Jacobs› I do have a plan for a caravan type adventrue path... but it's not Second Darkness.
30/04/2008 03:38:27 ‹Russ› zootcat?
30/04/2008 03:38:30 ‹Russ› indeed.
30/04/2008 03:38:33 ‹Daigle› Rock!
30/04/2008 03:38:40 ‹Absinth› James Jacobs, is the story line for AP4 finished?
30/04/2008 03:38:46 ‹James Jacobs› Nope.
30/04/2008 03:38:50 ‹Timitius› Otherwise known as Joshua, Walter, and Trent
30/04/2008 03:38:50 ‹James Jacobs› It's barely even started.
30/04/2008 03:38:55 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: Why were you taking pictures of peoples' shoes?
30/04/2008 03:39:19 ‹David Wickham› whats the process you use to write an adventure path?
30/04/2008 03:39:19 ‹Timitius› Charles Evans, not me. Those are Cosmo's. Mine are up on the Meetup page.
30/04/2008 03:39:23 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: Or were you bowing in awe, in the presence of masters?:)
30/04/2008 03:39:28 ‹Timitius› www.paizocon.com
30/04/2008 03:39:34 ‹James Jacobs› Which stresses me out a bit... we got so far behind with Second Darkness and the whole 3rd/4th mess that now AP4 is starting to slip as well. Actually... I guess it's not officially slipped yet... but it's close!
30/04/2008 03:39:38 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:39:41 ‹Charles Evans› Ah. Cosmo was bowing in awe. :)
30/04/2008 03:39:56 ‹James Jacobs› Basically... if we don't have it all figured out 6 months before hand... hosed!
30/04/2008 03:39:57 ‹Charles Evans› Of James Jacobs.
30/04/2008 03:40:01 ‹Blazej› Timitius, I'm not sure how funny it is my last name looks like a screen name.
30/04/2008 03:40:01 ‹cappadocius› :-"
30/04/2008 03:40:08 ‹Charles Evans› At Paizocon.
30/04/2008 03:40:10 ‹Russ› You'll just have to farm articles out to the chat :)
30/04/2008 03:40:11 ‹cappadocius› :-"
30/04/2008 03:40:13 ‹Blazej› Little or a lot.
30/04/2008 03:40:38 ‹Russ› Is AP2 back on schedule, shipping-wise?
30/04/2008 03:40:38 * cappadocius volunteers to help prevent AP slippage.
30/04/2008 03:40:51 ‹Timitius› Blazej: It's actually pretty cool...it's multipurpose!
30/04/2008 03:40:53 ‹James Jacobs› AP2 is not back on schedule yet. It's close, though.
30/04/2008 03:41:07 ‹Absinth› Ouch. James, can you reveal anything besides it being set in Cheliax?
30/04/2008 03:41:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Runelord Alaznist fled Thassilon t found an empire somewhere else in Golarion 10000 years ago, and now some villain is threatening the harvest of that empire, which is getting angry, and planning to invade/loot neighbours for food.
30/04/2008 03:41:18 ‹James Jacobs› But it's 99% impossible to catch up if we keep stacking new projects on ourselves.
30/04/2008 03:41:49 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Nothing yet; it's set in Cheliax, and it'll very likely have some Hellknight love, and it'll probably be pretty localized rather than lots of travel.
30/04/2008 03:41:49 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Possible idea for PF#4Runelord Alaznist fled Thassilon to found an empire somewhere else in Golarion 10000 years ago, and now some villain is threatening the harvest of that empire, which is getting angry, and planning to invade/loot neighbours for food.
30/04/2008 03:42:15 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm Cheliax. Diabolists...
30/04/2008 03:42:17 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:42:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Yay, Cheliax! Yay, Hellknights!
30/04/2008 03:42:19 ‹James Jacobs› Nah; with AP 4, we're dumping all things Varisia and Thassilon.
30/04/2008 03:42:25 ‹Ross› I'd offer free editorial help but I'm: 1) Unqualified and 2) Perpetually behind myself (grad student).
30/04/2008 03:42:25 * Lilith makes a note to send more cookies. :)
30/04/2008 03:42:30 ‹James Jacobs› Time to move on to a new region.
30/04/2008 03:42:30 ‹Charles Evans› Devils. Vs church of Lamashtu?
30/04/2008 03:42:37 ‹Russ› The curse of success!
30/04/2008 03:42:40 ‹Ross› Charles Evans, I like!
30/04/2008 03:42:41 ‹cappadocius› AP4 is going to involve traveling to the distant future so I can get some darned future monsters.
30/04/2008 03:42:47 ‹cappadocius› Post-Apocalyptic Golarion!
30/04/2008 03:42:55 ‹James Jacobs› And then, eventually, we'll come back to Sandpoint and to Ameiko...
30/04/2008 03:42:59 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocious: No thank you.
30/04/2008 03:43:06 ‹cappadocius› Ameiko's Story!
30/04/2008 03:43:17 ‹Timitius› Nah, AP4 they're going to the moon.
30/04/2008 03:43:22 ‹The Last Rogue› Linnorm Kings, please.
30/04/2008 03:43:28 ‹cappadocius› Charles: If I have to suffer through a freakin' DROW AP, you people can suck it up and enjoy some Science Fantasy.
30/04/2008 03:43:47 ‹James Jacobs› Ameiko's AP is probably the one I've got the most done in my head, but it's pretty out there, so I don't know when we'll be brave enough to tackle it.
30/04/2008 03:43:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› I likes me some Lonnorm Kings too.
30/04/2008 03:43:50 ‹Fray› James sounds like you need to hire some people... ;)
30/04/2008 03:43:57 * Timitius is merely guessing, since that was nearly a total NO early on.
30/04/2008 03:43:57 ‹Rambling Scribe› Linnorm...
30/04/2008 03:44:04 * Eyebite joins Main
30/04/2008 03:44:08 ‹Charles Evans› Cappadocious: I am not fond f drow either, but I have no wish to see worlds go up in smoke on a regular basis.
30/04/2008 03:44:19 ‹cappadocius› It's the future!
30/04/2008 03:44:19 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I'd like you to wait unitl AP #18 before you decide if the "drow AP" was a bad one...
30/04/2008 03:44:21 ‹cappadocius› The far future!
30/04/2008 03:44:24 ‹Charles Evans› Cappadocious: I am not fond of drow either, but I have no wish to see worlds go up in smoke on a regular basis.
30/04/2008 03:44:31 ‹cappadocius› It's the future!
30/04/2008 03:44:33 ‹cappadocius› The far future!
30/04/2008 03:44:44 ‹James Jacobs› Especially since there's going to be more science fiction in Second Darkness than any AP we've done yet, Dungeon or Pathfinder combined.
30/04/2008 03:44:48 ‹cappadocius› Also, only the one o in my name.
30/04/2008 03:44:49 ‹Pygon› AP#19 would be a better time to wait tho
30/04/2008 03:44:57 ‹James Jacobs› That's true.
30/04/2008 03:45:04 ‹Charles Evans› Cappadocious: And If rumours I recall hearing were right 'Science Fantasy' may exist on neighbouring planets.
30/04/2008 03:45:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Neb and Gex (?) - more on them? How about an Osirion AP?
30/04/2008 03:45:17 * Daigle interjects some random support for something fun in the River Kingdoms.
30/04/2008 03:45:17 * Ross quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:45:19 ‹Russ› I'm a fan of GOOD Drow stuff. But it has been a DAMNED long time.
30/04/2008 03:45:19 * Charles Evans mispells it agin...
30/04/2008 03:45:20 ‹James Jacobs› Nex and Geb! HA! Reversed letters!
30/04/2008 03:45:23 ‹Absinth› The box that Eando Kline finds in the Red Mantis hide out in Korvosa in the PF journals are Death's Head Coffers, right?
30/04/2008 03:45:24 * cappadocius notes he didn't say Second Darkness was bad. Just that it had friggin' Drow.
30/04/2008 03:45:27 ‹Charles Evans› Capa: Sorry.
30/04/2008 03:45:40 ‹James Jacobs› We'll get more on Nex and Geb in bits here and there. And an Osirion AP is a definite possibility.
30/04/2008 03:45:44 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes.
30/04/2008 03:46:00 * cappadocius hms.
30/04/2008 03:46:03 * Charles Evans wonders if he should just refer to Cappa as 'The Big C' for simplicity.
30/04/2008 03:46:05 ‹Eyebite› Sorry - my laptop is going in and out - but the caravan AP mentioned before (that's all I saw) would be really cool if it traveled through multiple lands, giving the characters a taste of several lands
30/04/2008 03:46:11 ‹cappadocius› I'd love an entirely aquatic AP, too.
30/04/2008 03:46:18 ‹Absinth› Now I understand why it was never revealed what's inside...:)
30/04/2008 03:46:19 ‹Blazej› ELVES FROM SPACE!
30/04/2008 03:46:22 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Sure wold, wouldn't it? :)
30/04/2008 03:46:23 ‹cappadocius› Charles: "Cap" or "Ian" is fine.
30/04/2008 03:46:23 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: Click on a name to auto-enter it into the caht.
30/04/2008 03:46:27 ‹Russ› I'd love to WORK on an aquatic AP
30/04/2008 03:46:38 ‹Russ› /(or PF module)
30/04/2008 03:46:41 ‹Eyebite› It would!
30/04/2008 03:46:45 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: chat... *curses fingers*
30/04/2008 03:46:48 ‹Daigle› Ian, now that's a three letter name I can get behind!
30/04/2008 03:46:51 ‹The Last Rogue› LOGUE has picked a winner.
30/04/2008 03:47:12 ‹Daigle› Uh oh!
30/04/2008 03:47:22 ‹The Last Rogue› But he hasn't said who.
30/04/2008 03:47:22 ‹Blazej› Exposed to a powerful gamma powered black hole a group of elves were transformed!
30/04/2008 03:47:26 ‹Daigle› All you who entered read the fine text, right?
30/04/2008 03:47:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bottle of Smoke?
30/04/2008 03:47:39 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: That replaces the 'tab'?
30/04/2008 03:47:40 ‹The Last Rogue› I can't read.
30/04/2008 03:47:47 ‹Daigle› Neither me
30/04/2008 03:47:53 * Nick Logue quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:47:54 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: It's existed for a while.
30/04/2008 03:48:27 * Daigle has a helper read out what all of you are saying. On tuesdays I get a whole chorus.
30/04/2008 03:48:47 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: I am used to the TAB completion from the old room.
30/04/2008 03:48:52 ‹Charles Evans› :(
30/04/2008 03:48:55 ‹The Last Rogue› Helper schmelper . . .I have a robot
30/04/2008 03:49:02 ‹cappadocius› I have a monkey!
30/04/2008 03:49:02 ‹The Last Rogue› A Lucy Liu robot.
30/04/2008 03:49:09 ‹Absinth› James Jacobs, awesome job on the Red Mantis. This is a really cool (and scary) organization. Nice to see a PrC as well!
30/04/2008 03:49:11 ‹Joey Virtue› So do we get a informatin leak on what was talked about on Enworld from Erik?
30/04/2008 03:49:13 ‹Daigle› I have thousands of monkeys that do my typing.
30/04/2008 03:49:17 * Sebastian quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:49:18 * vikingchris quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:49:18 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:49:23 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Thanks!
30/04/2008 03:49:35 ‹The Last Rogue› I am kind of partial to the Doctors in PF 8
30/04/2008 03:49:38 ‹Charles Evans› I still reach for the lightswitch on the wrongside of the door to the outhous at my parents' home, and that was rebuilt several years ago...
30/04/2008 03:49:47 ‹Joey Virtue› Cant wait till mine gets here
30/04/2008 03:49:49 ‹cappadocius› Oh! How's the PFRPGA3 coming?
30/04/2008 03:49:55 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Nope. No leak yet. Mostly because Erik's not here, and I"m not sure which anouncement he's talking about, of the dozen or so that he COULD be talking about.
30/04/2008 03:50:07 ‹Joey Virtue› LOL
30/04/2008 03:50:21 ‹David Wickham› Red Mantis just beat out gnolls for favortie article
30/04/2008 03:50:22 ‹Joey Virtue› I love you guys always doing things for us gamers
30/04/2008 03:50:24 ‹James Jacobs› Jason's toiling hard on PF RPG v3. He just sent me the bard today to look over.
30/04/2008 03:50:28 ‹Ross› I'd like to hear more about the Starstone. Since AP4 is set in Absalom, I wonder if it might tie in somehow.
30/04/2008 03:50:30 ‹Russ› They strike me as a little silly...hard to be unnoticed when you look like a giant bug.
30/04/2008 03:50:31 ‹The Last Rogue› Wasn't one of the announcements that you had some announcements?
30/04/2008 03:50:36 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, Erik Mona is Batman.
30/04/2008 03:50:41 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:50:41 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Will lava on Golarion be LETHAL? (To those without fire Immunity)
30/04/2008 03:50:41 ‹cappadocius› Ooo! Ooo! I bet it's how Erik is ditching this PFRPG stuff and switching everything over to Palladium!
30/04/2008 03:50:44 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 isn't set in Absalom. It's set in Canada.
30/04/2008 03:50:46 ‹Russ› Any reaason why we have so many mask wearers in AP2? :)
30/04/2008 03:50:48 ‹Blazej› That much is clear.
30/04/2008 03:51:01 ‹Lilith› Russ: They're ever so comfortable?
30/04/2008 03:51:00 ‹Charles Evans› Cheliax=Canada????
30/04/2008 03:51:04 ‹Hill Giant› JJ: Can you drop any hints about the bard?
30/04/2008 03:51:04 ‹The Last Rogue› Blazej, so you are saying he's a scientist. Batman's a scientist.
30/04/2008 03:51:05 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Lava in Golarion works the same way it does in the SRD.
30/04/2008 03:51:07 ‹cappadocius› Cheliax = Mexico
30/04/2008 03:51:12 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. I wonder what Quebec is represented by?
30/04/2008 03:51:22 ‹cappadocius› Korvosa.
30/04/2008 03:51:22 ‹James Jacobs› Quebec is represented by Maine.
30/04/2008 03:51:25 ‹Blazej› The Last Rogue, Obviously.
30/04/2008 03:51:38 ‹Russ› (at least 4 so far, doctors, blackjack, mantis, gray maidens)
30/04/2008 03:51:53 ‹cappadocius› The IMPORTANT question is what's the African equivalent in Golarion?
30/04/2008 03:52:01 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> The cool thing that I'm glad to see about the bard is that his bardic music now does different stuff depending on the TYPE of perform skill you're using.
30/04/2008 03:52:03 ‹Daigle› Russ, Korvosa is New Orleans.
30/04/2008 03:52:13 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacbs: I think someone relayed from Paizocon that Golarion was going to try to be more accurate to physics....
30/04/2008 03:52:14 ‹Hill Giant› ooh
30/04/2008 03:52:15 ‹Daigle› Hence the masking. ;)
30/04/2008 03:52:26 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Masks are a theme for Crimson Throne. Queen Ileosa's wearing a "Benevolent queen" mask for the first bit, after all...
30/04/2008 03:52:38 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. Better not go any further that way, on second thoughts.
30/04/2008 03:52:41 ‹James Jacobs› There's a few more masks to come.
30/04/2008 03:52:43 ‹Ross› Huh. I must remember incorrectly then. I thought Mona had copped to AP4 being in Absalim.
30/04/2008 03:52:47 ‹Joey Virtue› Hey James wil three be its own document?
30/04/2008 03:52:58 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Nope. AP 4 is set in Cheliax.
30/04/2008 03:53:00 ‹cappadocius› I hope not!
30/04/2008 03:53:04 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I'm not sure.
30/04/2008 03:53:22 ‹cappadocius› Will the 4th or 5th adventure of AP4 be in Hell?
30/04/2008 03:53:27 ‹Joey Virtue› my wife is going to kick my ass with all the color ink i have pored through
30/04/2008 03:53:27 ‹Russ› the rakshasas too, after a fashion
30/04/2008 03:53:29 ‹Fray› When will the Ninjas show up in the AP's?
30/04/2008 03:53:30 ‹cappadocius› 5th or 6th, I guess.
30/04/2008 03:53:32 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Golarion is more concerned with physics, I suspect, than most TSR worlds are, yes.
30/04/2008 03:53:42 ‹cappadocius› Fray: Ameiko's Story!
30/04/2008 03:54:08 ‹James Jacobs› As in... I worried LOUD about what would happen to the tides and stuff if we had lots of moons. And I have a reason why the Darklands don't get lethally hot deep down.
30/04/2008 03:54:10 ‹James Jacobs› etc.
30/04/2008 03:54:26 ‹James Jacobs› Ameiko may indeed have something to do with ninjas...
30/04/2008 03:54:50 ‹cappadocius› And going to Hell?
30/04/2008 03:54:56 ‹cappadocius› That's in AP4?
30/04/2008 03:54:59 ‹Fray› yay!
30/04/2008 03:55:05 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was tryiong not to prusue that anymore because the fire damage fro molten rock(lava) in the SRD really gets me :pissed:.
30/04/2008 03:55:14 ‹Blazej› Only on Saterdays.
30/04/2008 03:55:23 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 will not go to Hell, no. In fact... I suspect that AP4 will have the LEAST amount of long-distance travel of all of them. But since I haven't designed its outline yet... who knows?
30/04/2008 03:55:32 * cappadocius sniffles.
30/04/2008 03:55:37 ‹cappadocius› But I wanted to go to Hell.
30/04/2008 03:55:50 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Why? Becasue it's enough to kill a 1st level fighter but not a 20th level one? Does falling damage get to you too?
30/04/2008 03:55:53 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:55:57 ‹cappadocius› Charles: I downloaded a PDF the other day with rules about lava and magma. The rule was, "If you fall in Lava, you die."
30/04/2008 03:56:15 ‹David Wickham› how do you go about writing an ap
30/04/2008 03:56:19 ‹Lilith› cappadocius: Have that one. LOve it. :D
30/04/2008 03:56:24 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> You seem to have a lot of things that get you :pissed:... just saying.
30/04/2008 03:56:55 ‹Ross› Probably more like being in lava will kill things much more quickly than a vat of acid...And it's the same amount of damage.
30/04/2008 03:56:56 ‹Russ› Being able to survive a brief encounter with lava is suitable for superheroic fantasy, which D&D is
30/04/2008 03:57:05 ‹James Jacobs› Why should lava be treated any different than, say, being breathed on by a 1000 year old dragon?
30/04/2008 03:57:06 * Tehok joins Main
30/04/2008 03:57:23 ‹David Wickham› just brush it off fast
30/04/2008 03:57:29 ‹Russ› Lava actually does twice what acid does.
30/04/2008 03:57:33 ‹James Jacobs› Also? Poison doesn't stop doing its thing in a minute.
30/04/2008 03:57:36 ‹Charles Evans› JJ: Specific Heat Capacity?
30/04/2008 03:57:41 * cappadocius frowns and realizes that no matter how bad the hypothetical future APs are, as long as they keep giving him six monsters an issue and a deity every other, they've got him hooked. ;_;
30/04/2008 03:57:53 ‹cappadocius› Please keep them good!
30/04/2008 03:57:57 * paul joins Main
30/04/2008 03:58:01 * Daigle glances back over and decides we are not talking about gritty soap.
30/04/2008 03:58:08 ‹James Jacobs› D&D's not trying to be a 100% accurate reality simulator. It's trying to be a game. It's best to just let things like that go, in my experience.
30/04/2008 03:58:12 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: Where was that lava you mention???
30/04/2008 03:58:18 ‹Blazej› Hmm. I recall my first experience with lava in WoW. It was a small puddle and was able to move into it with no problem.
30/04/2008 03:58:25 ‹Blazej› I found it entertaining.
30/04/2008 03:58:35 ‹Blazej› So I went to the next and the next.
30/04/2008 03:58:36 ‹Russ› Emersion in strong acid is probably gonna kill you just as dead as lava. Moving on :)
30/04/2008 03:58:36 ‹cappadocius› Charles: In places where it was hot enough to melt rock.
30/04/2008 03:58:38 ‹Ross› Russ, does it? I stand corrected then.
30/04/2008 03:58:39 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> We're ramping back to 5 monsters in Pathfinder for the most part. Now that we're up and running, we're building monsters pretty steady.
30/04/2008 03:58:45 ‹Charles Evans› Is it an SRD errata, or supplement by internet company?
30/04/2008 03:58:55 ‹cappadocius› oh, well, *five* monsters. Pfft.
30/04/2008 03:58:55 ‹Russ› Ross> 20d6 and lingering damage, as opposed to 10d6
30/04/2008 03:58:58 ‹Blazej› Then I found out that large pools of lava hurt. I died.
30/04/2008 03:59:02 * cappadocius dismisses Pathfinder with a wave of his paw.
30/04/2008 03:59:07 ‹Charles Evans› Is it an SRD errata, or supplement by internet company?
30/04/2008 03:59:19 * Charles Evans times out....
30/04/2008 03:59:19 ‹James Jacobs› And if a future AP is "bad" then that's me making a "James got fired from Paizo" error, so there ya go.
30/04/2008 03:59:31 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:59:38 ‹cappadocius› Charles: It's a joke supplement by an internet company. Really, it consists of various ways of saying, "If you fall in lava, you die."
30/04/2008 03:59:49 * Tehok quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:59:49 * Tehok quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 03:59:53 ‹cappadocius› It was free, so I imagine Lilith can share it with you, since I bet she has your email!
30/04/2008 03:59:56 ‹Charles Evans› Joke???
30/04/2008 03:59:58 ‹James Jacobs› AND: I believe we've only got FOUR new monsters in Pathfinder 10. But for the most part, we'll be aiming at 5.
30/04/2008 04:00:05 ‹Russ› For me, making lava autokill (like 4thE does) is like making a 200 foot fall autokill. These aren't normal humans we are talking about.
30/04/2008 04:00:18 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: You can download it from Paizo for free.
30/04/2008 04:00:20 ‹cappadocius› Charles: Do you *really* need a book to tell you "if you fall in lava, you die"?
30/04/2008 04:00:30 ‹cappadocius› Lilith: Paizo has it, too? Gosh!
30/04/2008 04:00:37 ‹Hill Giant› People has survived some ridiculously high falls
30/04/2008 04:00:37 ‹Ross› What's the title? I like free things.
30/04/2008 04:00:46 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: People fall 200ft+ in Real life and survive. There are cases of people whose parachutes have failed.
30/04/2008 04:00:50 ‹James Jacobs› Ebola is free.
30/04/2008 04:01:02 ‹Blazej› Will special feats or spells ever be with the monsters?
30/04/2008 04:01:15 ‹James Jacobs› What do you mean, "special feats"?
30/04/2008 04:01:17 * David Wickham quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:01:19 ‹cappadocius› People haven't survived 200 ft+ falls without any lasting injury!
30/04/2008 04:01:22 ‹Hill Giant› OTOH, some people fall really short distances and die. You're not going to find a realistic falling damage mechanism
30/04/2008 04:01:23 ‹James Jacobs› New feats?
30/04/2008 04:01:30 ‹Blazej› Yeah.
30/04/2008 04:01:32 ‹Russ› CE> I'm aware of that. They also don't walk away.
30/04/2008 04:01:33 ‹cappadocius› D&D has no rules for broken bones and internal hemorrhaging!
30/04/2008 04:01:42 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: It reassures me that I am not mad in the Orwellian sense, and I sometimes get very insecure.
30/04/2008 04:01:49 ‹James Jacobs› Generally... no. It's better to just give a new monster an ability rather than give it a feat.
30/04/2008 04:02:01 ‹cappadocius› Feats are for fools!
30/04/2008 04:02:01 ‹Blazej› Ok.
30/04/2008 04:02:08 ‹Charles Evans› Orwellian (1984) sense, I meant.
30/04/2008 04:02:09 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... there are a few rules for broken bones and the like in the DMG.
30/04/2008 04:02:11 ‹Fray› Feats are yummy!
30/04/2008 04:02:18 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, thank you. Feat bloat == bad.
30/04/2008 04:02:21 ‹cappadocius› In my day, we made due with four classes and three races!
30/04/2008 04:02:23 ‹James Jacobs› And rules/guidelines for specific damage to body areas.
30/04/2008 04:02:36 ‹Sebastian› CALLED SHOT TO THE HEAD!
30/04/2008 04:02:38 ‹cappadocius› James: Ah, well. I don't have the 3.5 DMG.
30/04/2008 04:02:41 ‹Sebastian› (sorry, had to be done)
30/04/2008 04:02:48 ‹James Jacobs› It's a good book!
30/04/2008 04:02:50 ‹Daigle› Sebastian!
30/04/2008 04:02:57 * cappadocius has been faking it with 3.0 and a 3.5 PHB.
30/04/2008 04:03:02 ‹James Jacobs› Lots of cool stuff in the 3.5 DMG that's not in the SRD.
30/04/2008 04:03:10 ‹Sebastian› Howdy Daigle
30/04/2008 04:03:13 ‹Ross› Gah! Called shots are the devil!
30/04/2008 04:03:16 ‹Russ› People have survived falls in lava, believe it or not.
30/04/2008 04:03:35 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: In protective suits?
30/04/2008 04:03:40 ‹Russ› Not without horrific burns, of course
30/04/2008 04:03:40 ‹cappadocius› I prefer to err on the side of "If you fall in lava, you die."
30/04/2008 04:03:40 ‹Ross› Unless you're playing Fallout. Then they're awesome.
30/04/2008 04:03:45 ‹James Jacobs› I hope you're not one of the messageboard posters who gets all riled up when a monster's attack bonus with his longsword is +17 when it should be +16 then...
30/04/2008 04:04:19 ‹cappadocius› I get all riled up when a monster is yet another dragon or golem.
30/04/2008 04:04:25 ‹Fray› actually I like the attack bonuses to be in metric units
30/04/2008 04:04:37 ‹cappadocius› Dragon/Golem bloat is one of the most important dangers facing D&D gamers today.
30/04/2008 04:04:38 * Daigle dislikes getting riled up.
30/04/2008 04:04:57 ‹cappadocius› Oh, also, when a monster isn't a gnome or a character isn't a druid.
30/04/2008 04:05:01 ‹cappadocius› I'm riled up *all the time*
30/04/2008 04:05:02 ‹Russ› Remember, you don't SINK in lava.
30/04/2008 04:05:05 ‹Daigle› A bloat golem? Fun!
30/04/2008 04:05:10 * Rambling Scribe likes to get Daigle riled up.
30/04/2008 04:05:12 ‹cappadocius› You *die* in lava!
30/04/2008 04:05:20 ‹Russ› If you can get OFF the liquid, you can live.
30/04/2008 04:05:23 * cappadocius stabs Daigle.
30/04/2008 04:05:25 ‹Blazej› What about Golem Dragons?
30/04/2008 04:05:33 ‹Daigle› Scribe has been unsuccessful so far.
30/04/2008 04:05:33 ‹Russ› Lava's too dense to sink in.
30/04/2008 04:05:52 ‹cappadocius› Blazej: I... I think they've done a Dragon Golem, actually.
30/04/2008 04:05:53 ‹Wyvern› Dragon golems made of lava!
30/04/2008 04:05:55 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: density varies with temperature.?
30/04/2008 04:05:58 ‹Daigle› Ian, what kinda weapon? I've got DR.
30/04/2008 04:06:17 ‹cappadocius› It's, um, made of Thri-Kreen spit.
30/04/2008 04:06:18 ‹Hill Giant› The end of LotR bugged me - with them sititng so close to the lava all cosy
30/04/2008 04:06:20 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: What issue will the sidetreks first be appearing in?
30/04/2008 04:06:23 ‹Blazej› cappadocius, I think I've seen a couple.
30/04/2008 04:06:24 ‹Charles Evans› I think... Hmm.
30/04/2008 04:06:29 ‹Russ› CE> Any molten rock is FAR more dense than water.
30/04/2008 04:06:36 ‹Charles Evans› Maybe not.
30/04/2008 04:06:42 ‹Charles Evans› Not with pressure.
30/04/2008 04:06:44 ‹Daigle› Crap, I think you may have me there.
30/04/2008 04:06:47 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> But you were cool with giant eagles and giant spiders?
30/04/2008 04:06:52 ‹Charles Evans› (I'm looking at density, I mean)
30/04/2008 04:06:53 ‹Russ› No "maybe" there.
30/04/2008 04:07:08 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> We'll be calling them "Set Pieces" and they'll first appear in Pathfinder #13.
30/04/2008 04:07:24 * Daigle is actually a coalesced swarm of cockroaches. *Weapon damage? psshaw!
30/04/2008 04:07:25 ‹Russ› Unless you're talking the right kinds of eruptions, which are aerated
30/04/2008 04:07:31 ‹Ross› I think I'm missing some of the crosschatter, because I'm seeing replies but not the matching original post. Lilith, what is up with your chatroom?
30/04/2008 04:07:36 ‹Blazej› Could currents be working in the lave that pull you down?
30/04/2008 04:07:36 * cappadocius learned to take a deep breath and intone the mantra "A wizard did it" when it comes to giant arthropods and enormous winged flyers.
30/04/2008 04:07:39 ‹Hill Giant› I'm cool with magic eagles - was it magic not-so-hot or not-so-toxic-spewing lava?
30/04/2008 04:07:40 ‹James Jacobs› I'm just wondering when I accidently logged out of the Pathfinder chat and into the Molten Rock chat.
30/04/2008 04:07:42 ‹Wyvern› Set Pieces, how refined.
30/04/2008 04:07:43 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: In a presurised situation )from gravity and atmosphere, the density would presumably be a float matter.
30/04/2008 04:07:49 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:08:00 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Cool! Who's doing the first one? I wanna know!
30/04/2008 04:08:02 ‹Daigle› Molten rock chat is three rooms over.
30/04/2008 04:08:13 ‹cappadocius› James: You just need to make sure the rule "If you fall in lava, you die" is in the PFRPGA3.
30/04/2008 04:08:24 ‹Charles Evans› Which begs the question How do red dragons go swimming in lava?
30/04/2008 04:08:25 ‹Hill Giant› Is molten rock more off topic than what movie you saw recently?
30/04/2008 04:08:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› I was looking for the dipped in acid chat.
30/04/2008 04:08:29 ‹Russ› James> Please DON'T do that rule, it isn't realistic.
30/04/2008 04:08:33 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> It was the blood of Sauron. It works differently than lava, obviously, otherwise there would have been burnt hobbit.
30/04/2008 04:08:44 * Skeld joins Main
30/04/2008 04:08:47 ‹Daigle› Dipped in acid chat is to the left.
30/04/2008 04:08:54 ‹cappadocius› Russ: GNOMES TURNING INTO BEAVERS ISN'T REALISTIC!
30/04/2008 04:08:57 ‹Russ› It is probably best to not use "RPGA", which is trademarked
30/04/2008 04:08:57 ‹Hill Giant› JJ: You win a no-prize
30/04/2008 04:09:01 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Tim Hitchcock's doing the first one.
30/04/2008 04:09:06 ‹cappadocius› Can druids turn into beavers?
30/04/2008 04:09:12 ‹cappadocius› Are there rules for beavers in D&D?
30/04/2008 04:09:16 ‹Ross› For instance, right now I'm not seeing Hill Giant's posts, but clearly James is repling to him.
30/04/2008 04:09:22 ‹Daigle› The Cock!? Rockin'!
30/04/2008 04:09:32 * RETH-Mog quit
30/04/2008 04:09:33 ‹James Jacobs› Druids can turn into beavers. Always could, even though stats for a GIANT BEVER haven't been in a core book since 1st edition.
30/04/2008 04:09:38 * Charles Evans considers pyroclastic flows....
30/04/2008 04:09:39 ‹Fray› capp yeah, rates with the aquatic template
30/04/2008 04:09:41 ‹Russ› cappadocius - is that somehow pro-lava instant death?
30/04/2008 04:09:47 ‹Lilith› Daigle: The Cock will rock it. :headbang:
30/04/2008 04:09:52 ‹Fray› er rats
30/04/2008 04:10:02 ‹Fray› beavers = rates with the aquatic template
30/04/2008 04:10:05 ‹Daigle› Ya got that right! Er....he better!
30/04/2008 04:10:07 ‹Fray› dammit!
30/04/2008 04:10:07 ‹Russ› Anyhow, I hate the fantasy schtick of people sinking into lava. Ridiculous.
30/04/2008 04:10:10 ‹cappadocius› Giant Beavers aren't even in the Tome of Horrors, are they?
30/04/2008 04:10:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hitchcoque! Awesome!
30/04/2008 04:10:13 ‹Daigle› Giant nutria!!!
30/04/2008 04:10:18 ‹Charles Evans› beavers that dam lava flows????
30/04/2008 04:10:20 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Molten rock IS more off topic, because I"m less interested in it than the movie I just saw: Which was Alien Vs. Predator: Requiem. Not a good movie.
30/04/2008 04:10:23 ‹Mr Baron› For the record, I am pro-lava instant death
30/04/2008 04:10:23 ‹Fray› beaver = rats with the aquatic template
30/04/2008 04:10:32 ‹Blazej› Where is my were-beaver?
30/04/2008 04:10:41 * Fray is being assaulted by Typo Fairies swarms
30/04/2008 04:10:52 ‹Russ› So the AvP remix wasn't any better?
30/04/2008 04:10:54 ‹cappadocius› James: Does Golarion have a Lost World-type region so I can get a book, adventure, or AP filled with prehistoric monsters?
30/04/2008 04:10:55 ‹Blazej› Fray, rats are certainly the base for a lot of things.
30/04/2008 04:10:58 ‹Daigle› Blazej, want me to whip one up for ya?
30/04/2008 04:10:59 ‹Hill Giant› So, Dr. J, what do you want to talk about? :-)
30/04/2008 04:11:03 ‹Mr Baron› for the record, I am pro-lava instant death
30/04/2008 04:11:04 ‹Russ› I just picked up Tome of Horrors II this weekend
30/04/2008 04:11:05 ‹Fray› James that movie sucked balls
30/04/2008 04:11:10 ‹Russ› Is James actually a doctor?
30/04/2008 04:11:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Questions for us?
30/04/2008 04:11:14 ‹cappadocius› I also am pro-lava instant death.
30/04/2008 04:11:32 ‹Fray› Blaze true dat
30/04/2008 04:11:39 ‹cappadocius› Prehistoric Monsters!
30/04/2008 04:11:40 ‹Russ› I am pro-huge amounts of damage for lava, and pro-being able to get out of it right away to survive
30/04/2008 04:11:41 ‹Blazej› Daigle, I think it is something I should experience myself.
30/04/2008 04:11:47 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> It ABSOLUTELY does have a lost world region. More than one, in fact.
30/04/2008 04:11:50 ‹cappadocius› Cave Goblins! Saber-Toothed Unicorns!
30/04/2008 04:11:53 ‹Daigle› You're probably right. ;)
30/04/2008 04:11:54 ‹Charles Evans› I think I saw the first Aliens vs Predator film and the ending was slightly cheesy, with the predators not even bothering to check their fallen comrades for infestation.
30/04/2008 04:11:55 ‹cappadocius› James: YAY!
30/04/2008 04:12:03 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Now? I want to talk about Lost Worlds!
30/04/2008 04:12:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› I like some kind of rules for lava, so I can make an awesom lava monk who can walk on it.
30/04/2008 04:12:10 ‹Russ› If nothing else, fire resistance 30 should let you live a round or two
30/04/2008 04:12:17 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: More about the River Kingdom! :D
30/04/2008 04:12:19 ‹Russ› RS> water walk works on lava! :)
30/04/2008 04:12:23 ‹Fray› AvP:R could have been a good movie... but hollywood needs to go and screw up another good story that was already awesome... and fill it with suck
30/04/2008 04:12:25 ‹Daigle› Yes!!!
30/04/2008 04:12:29 ‹Daigle› River Kingdoms!!
30/04/2008 04:12:29 ‹James Jacobs› The first AvP movie was terrible. TERRIBLE. The second one was much better. But still not good.
30/04/2008 04:12:37 ‹Russ› Oh, there's a SECOND one?
30/04/2008 04:12:39 ‹James Jacobs› I don't really have much to say about the River Kingdoms, alas.
30/04/2008 04:12:42 ‹James Jacobs› They're not my thing.
30/04/2008 04:12:49 ‹Daigle› Bah! :)
30/04/2008 04:12:54 ‹Mr Baron› I had no idea there was a second one
30/04/2008 04:12:55 * cappadocius wants stats for a Nimravid and a Carnivorous Kangaroo and an Andrewsarchus and a Drop Croc.
30/04/2008 04:13:00 ‹Pygon› The Queen was pretty well done though, despite it.
30/04/2008 04:13:03 ‹Timitius› Wolfgang said he was keen on the River Kingdoms......
30/04/2008 04:13:04 * cappadocius loves his zany prehistoric animals.
30/04/2008 04:13:07 ‹Joey Virtue› They should make the Age of worms a movie series
30/04/2008 04:13:23 ‹Charles Evans› No!
30/04/2008 04:13:32 ‹James Jacobs› AVP: R would have bee MUCH better, for example, had the Predator elements been excised completely. WOuld have turned it into a bad movie rather than a bad piece of fan-fic.
30/04/2008 04:13:33 ‹Hill Giant› Where are the dinosaurs in Golarion?
30/04/2008 04:13:44 ‹Fray› All other movies (almost)>AvP>AvP:R
30/04/2008 04:13:57 ‹Russ› CE> Lava is 2 .2 - 2.8 times as dense as water, btw, based on the figures I can dig up.
30/04/2008 04:14:02 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Age of Worms should be an HBO miniseries.
30/04/2008 04:14:06 * Skeld quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:14:17 ‹Eyebite› Who would play Tyralandi?
30/04/2008 04:14:23 ‹Charles Evans› You will have not just the film critics complaining about 'yet another poorly made fantasy film made to sell games' (they'd do that anyway) but you'd have RPG'ers complaining as well.
30/04/2008 04:14:25 ‹Joey Virtue› That was the funnest game i ever played in
30/04/2008 04:14:26 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> There are dinosaurs in a big vault under the Hold of the Mammoth Lords. There are also some dinosaurs on Garrund, the southern continent.
30/04/2008 04:14:28 ‹Timitius› Age of Worms should be an anime series.
30/04/2008 04:14:30 ‹Fray› James: I think it would have been better had they not had hyper-mutating/symbioticness/too fast b.s.
30/04/2008 04:14:32 ‹Pygon› Winona Ryder
30/04/2008 04:14:36 ‹James Jacobs› Kate Beckinsale would play Tyralandi.
30/04/2008 04:14:42 ‹Mr Baron› speaking of mini-series...is there going to be a George RR Martin series?
30/04/2008 04:14:50 ‹James Jacobs› That's what I hear, Mr. Baron.
30/04/2008 04:14:53 ‹Daigle› Which issue in Age of Worms had the stilt walkers?
30/04/2008 04:14:53 ‹Mr Baron› on HBO?
30/04/2008 04:14:58 ‹James Jacobs› Ayup.
30/04/2008 04:15:00 ‹cappadocius› Are there Nimravids and Drop Crocs on Garrund?
30/04/2008 04:15:02 ‹Mr Baron› any dates?
30/04/2008 04:15:02 ‹James Jacobs› That's the rumor.
30/04/2008 04:15:08 ‹Mr Baron› ok
30/04/2008 04:15:14 ‹Charles Evans› The dragonmlance animated cartoon came in for some harsh criticism on the Paizo boards, I noticed.
30/04/2008 04:15:15 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> The stilt walkers were in the 2nd Savage Tide adventure.
30/04/2008 04:15:23 ‹Fray› Goerge mini series of what?
30/04/2008 04:15:27 ‹Russ› CE> that is because it SUCKED
30/04/2008 04:15:35 ‹Daigle› Doh!
30/04/2008 04:15:41 ‹Daigle› ...and thanks.
30/04/2008 04:15:45 ‹Russ› the DL movie was adequate by 80s tv animation standards
30/04/2008 04:15:45 ‹Mr Baron› but was it better than AvP?
30/04/2008 04:15:48 ‹Joey Virtue› Yeah I was like WTF
30/04/2008 04:15:53 ‹James Jacobs› No Nimravids or Drop Crocs. I think. Because I have No Idea waht the Hell you're Talking About...
30/04/2008 04:15:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› Anyone seen my wallet?
30/04/2008 04:16:05 ‹Mr Baron› AvP>DLmovie
30/04/2008 04:16:09 ‹Russ› JJ> A crocodile that drops out of a tree and eats you
30/04/2008 04:16:12 ‹Pygon› Rogue has it
30/04/2008 04:16:16 * Daigle cups his hands over his giggling face.
30/04/2008 04:16:18 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe: Check by the bed?
30/04/2008 04:16:22 ‹Mr Baron› or DL movie > AvP
30/04/2008 04:16:27 * Saracenus joins Main
30/04/2008 04:16:35 * cappadocius notes that Drop Crocs are real paleofauna.
30/04/2008 04:16:42 * Sebastian quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:16:42 * Sebastian quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:16:45 ‹James Jacobs› The Dragonlance animated movie was HORRIBLE. I could only watch a few minutes. I've seen better flash animation on a 12 year old computer, and better "writing" on a toilet stall wall.
30/04/2008 04:16:47 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Will Yog-Sothoth make it into any PF?
30/04/2008 04:16:49 ‹Hill Giant› Rambling Scribe: Did you drop it in the molten rock?
30/04/2008 04:16:49 ‹cappadocius› Nimravids are jaguar-sized saber-toothed "cats"
30/04/2008 04:16:51 * Russ takes some of what cap is smoking
30/04/2008 04:17:01 ‹Saracenus› Ta-Da!
30/04/2008 04:17:03 ‹cappadocius› Straight-Edge, son.
04:17:09 ‹Russ› And yet Hickman called it everything he hoped for.
30/04/2008 04:17:19 ‹Lilith› Saracenus! :squee: :glomp:
30/04/2008 04:17:20 ‹cappadocius› Tree-climbing crocodiles in northern Australia as recently as...
30/04/2008 04:17:21 ‹Russ› Paizo, thank you for having the courage to admit when something isn't your best work
30/04/2008 04:17:22 * cappadocius double checks.
30/04/2008 04:17:41 ‹Joey Virtue› James that makes me sad i wanted to see that till u said that
30/04/2008 04:17:51 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect that, yes, Eventually Yog-Sothoth will be mentioned in an Adventure Path or Pathfinder module. I just have to spread out my Lovecraftgasms so that they don't turn away the Lovecraft haters.
30/04/2008 04:18:05 ‹cappadocius› 10 million years ago. Trilophosuchus.
30/04/2008 04:18:07 ‹Mr Baron› Fray > Mini series of Martin's Game of Thrones series
30/04/2008 04:18:21 ‹cappadocius› You don't EVEN want me to make up JOKE monsters.
30/04/2008 04:18:25 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> WHAT! What are you TALKING ABOUT! Everything that comes out of Paizo is PURE GOLD.
30/04/2008 04:18:42 ‹Joey Virtue› How was Paizocon guys?
30/04/2008 04:18:44 ‹Russ› That isn't a drop croc - it hunted on the ground, or killed things in trees. It wasn't a drop out of the tree predator.
30/04/2008 04:18:52 ‹Russ› Paizocon ruled!
30/04/2008 04:18:54 ‹cappadocius› Were you there!
30/04/2008 04:19:00 ‹James Jacobs› Paizocon was great!
30/04/2008 04:19:08 ‹Russ› Yes, I was the fat guy in the black T-shirt
30/04/2008 04:19:08 ‹cappadocius› Were you there to see the fabulous Drop Croc make its kills!
30/04/2008 04:19:14 ‹Joey Virtue› great you can see my posts but i cant
30/04/2008 04:19:14 ‹cappadocius› You weren't!
30/04/2008 04:19:15 ‹Lilith› Joey Virtue: It rocked! :headbang:
30/04/2008 04:19:15 ‹Russ› (just to narrow it down to 10 or so people)
30/04/2008 04:19:24 ‹Lilith› Joey Virtue: Ctrl-F5.
30/04/2008 04:19:25 ‹Saracenus› Lilith! :hugs:
30/04/2008 04:19:34 ‹Joey Virtue› how many people?
30/04/2008 04:19:43 ‹Russ› It seemed close to 45
30/04/2008 04:19:43 ‹James Jacobs› 32, I believe... and 11 guests.
30/04/2008 04:19:46 ‹Mr Baron› is there going to be a Paizocon 2009?
30/04/2008 04:19:49 ‹Lilith› Joey Virtue: 30+ I believe. :)
30/04/2008 04:19:55 ‹Joey Virtue› cool
30/04/2008 04:19:57 ‹Lilith› Mr Baron: Let us recover first...
30/04/2008 04:20:06 ‹Mr Baron› lol
30/04/2008 04:20:13 ‹Mr Baron› :)
30/04/2008 04:20:14 ‹Joey Virtue› James is there any cons Paizo will be going to in Cali?
30/04/2008 04:20:22 ‹James Jacobs› No
30/04/2008 04:20:25 ‹Lilith› Though I hear the Cookie Delivery was well received. :woot: :cookie::cookie:
30/04/2008 04:20:27 ‹James Jacobs› Not that I know of.
30/04/2008 04:20:31 ‹Joey Virtue› =(
30/04/2008 04:20:38 ‹Russ› Will Paizo do PAX?
30/04/2008 04:20:40 ‹James Jacobs› Which makes me a little sad, cause I do like any excuse to get back to my homeland.
30/04/2008 04:20:51 ‹James Jacobs› Paizo may do PAX. We did the last few years.
30/04/2008 04:20:56 ‹Joey Virtue› Where u from in cali?
30/04/2008 04:20:59 ‹cappadocius› Golraion themed Disneyland ride?
30/04/2008 04:21:04 * cappadocius thinks big.
30/04/2008 04:21:07 ‹Absinth› James Jacobs, is there any specific reason that a Nosferatu isn't vulerable to flowing water like other vampires are?
30/04/2008 04:21:08 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Excluding nasty things such as Pyroclastic flows, you have a point I concede, on the density under regular surface conditions.
30/04/2008 04:21:36 ‹Charles Evans› I thory, so long as you remain upright, you might have achance.
30/04/2008 04:21:42 ‹James Jacobs› Booths at PAX are SUPER expensive, though, and it's not really a tabletop RPG con, so we might pass. I dunno. I live in the editorial pit where they've been gaslighting us with the heater and air circulation. I don't know much about con schedules.
30/04/2008 04:21:47 ‹Timitius› Mr Baron, Lilith is right...a brief rest...then I will begin planning for Paizocon II in 2009.
30/04/2008 04:21:57 ‹Charles Evans› I think you'd be barbcued if you fall over.
30/04/2008 04:22:02 ‹Russ› The case people have survived that I can find is breaking through the c
30/04/2008 04:24:18 ‹James Jacobs› Point Arena Mountain Beaver! Poor guy's ENDANGERED!!! How'd you know about that, Tim?
30/04/2008 04:24:32 * Lilith wishes she could remember what was on the Conference room whiteboard.
30/04/2008 04:24:44 ‹Absinth› James Jacobs, can we expect a Hellknight article like the one for the Red Mantis in AP4?
30/04/2008 04:24:54 * Ross quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:24:56 ‹James Jacobs› CR of teh PAMB is 1/3
30/04/2008 04:24:57 ‹Timitius› CR 1. Herbivore. Very elusive.
30/04/2008 04:25:04 ‹Eyebite› I think I saw something on a Golarion map named Galt ... I chalked it up to coincidence, now I'm not so sure . . . :D
30/04/2008 04:25:04 ‹Saracenus› Sorry guys I am getting sucked in by GTA IV
30/04/2008 04:25:23 ‹Mr Baron› do we have an ETA on PF RPG version 3?
30/04/2008 04:25:27 ‹James Jacobs› http://www.pointarenamountainbeaver.com/
30/04/2008 04:25:31 ‹Timitius› Ferocious vs. Plant types. A decent animal companion...or familiar.
30/04/2008 04:25:32 ‹Daigle› Dude, I totally missed you coming in Saracenus
30/04/2008 04:25:35 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: So it's suitable for a familiar.
30/04/2008 04:25:39 ‹Daigle› Howdy!
30/04/2008 04:25:40 ‹Saracenus› LOL
30/04/2008 04:25:49 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, you ROCK. :lol:
30/04/2008 04:25:51 * Saracenus waves at Daigle
30/04/2008 04:25:57 ‹cappadocius› OH!
30/04/2008 04:25:59 ‹cappadocius› Aplodontia.
30/04/2008 04:26:09 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes. There'll probably be some sort of Hellknight article during AP4.
30/04/2008 04:26:14 ‹cappadocius› man, I probably should've learned common names back in mammology.
30/04/2008 04:26:19 ‹cappadocius› Just didn't seem worth it.
30/04/2008 04:26:30 * Timitius did a write up for a endangered species section on Northern California water rights.
30/04/2008 04:26:43 ‹Russ› Someone kick Erik in the butt and tell him to join the chat
30/04/2008 04:26:48 ‹Russ› I can't find his Enworld scoop
30/04/2008 04:26:56 * Daigle is multitasking at a fruitless level and is only good for absurd interjections.
30/04/2008 04:27:02 ‹James Jacobs› There's a nation in Goalrion named Galt. I tried to make Erik change it because it's a town in my mind, but he wasn't hearing none of it so meh. Ya have to pick, your battles, and I picked the "Get rid of Briartangle so I can keep Tanglebriar" battle instead.
30/04/2008 04:27:07 * cappadocius gives Daigle pie.
30/04/2008 04:27:23 * Daigle channels tensor.
30/04/2008 04:27:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: :typerhappy::whipit:
30/04/2008 04:27:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are there going to be tiefling variants for Golarion, other than just the rgular MM one?
30/04/2008 04:27:26 ‹Absinth› Were there any news revealed at PaizoCon? I wondered that there wasn't a threat about this on the boards...
30/04/2008 04:27:27 ‹Joey Virtue› Bullshit James
30/04/2008 04:27:29 ‹James Jacobs› MR Baron> No ETA on PFRPG v3 yet. Maybe 2 to 3 weeks? No clue.
30/04/2008 04:27:36 ‹Joey Virtue› No way is there a Galt
30/04/2008 04:27:39 ‹Joey Virtue› where is at
30/04/2008 04:27:44 ‹Eyebite› There is Joey
30/04/2008 04:27:45 ‹Mr Baron› ok
30/04/2008 04:27:52 * Samwise joins Main
30/04/2008 04:27:54 ‹cappadocius› Who Is John Galt?
30/04/2008 04:27:59 ‹Joey Virtue› Sweet
30/04/2008 04:28:08 ‹Daigle› Hola Sam
30/04/2008 04:28:08 ‹Joey Virtue› I cant wait till i get the new book
30/04/2008 04:28:19 ‹Absinth› Me too...
30/04/2008 04:28:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Just the MM tiefling. Although we also have alu-demons, cambions, and other variant fiend-blooded creatures...
30/04/2008 04:28:49 ‹Russ› One of my favorite Paizocon moments was when half the room pulled out binders with PF Alpha 2 in them
30/04/2008 04:28:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Also, are we going to see more Golarion specific spells at any point? (I still only have PF upto #7)
30/04/2008 04:29:05 ‹James Jacobs› The nation of Galt is norht of Absalom.
30/04/2008 04:29:20 ‹cappadocius› oh, alu-demons! How I missed you!
30/04/2008 04:29:26 ‹cappadocius› Cambions, I can take or leave.
30/04/2008 04:29:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Typing on my laptop is killing me, and as usual I have to clean up from game night and then get up in 6 hours, so I'm signing off...
30/04/2008 04:29:39 ‹cappadocius› Tieflings should go back to Planescape and stay out of third edition.
30/04/2008 04:29:40 ‹Daigle› Did any one you PaizoCon'ers play Falling? If so how does it play?
30/04/2008 04:29:47 ‹Mr Baron› alu-demons rock :)
30/04/2008 04:29:49 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That was indeed pretty cool. I was also releived that everyone seemed to like the art I passed around... since it's WAY too late to fix it!
30/04/2008 04:29:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'll be back tomorrow for Sinister Chat.
30/04/2008 04:29:58 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Craig!
30/04/2008 04:30:03 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And on the alu-demon front, are they mortal inTome of Horrors in the same sense regular half-fiend templated creatures are?
30/04/2008 04:30:07 ‹Daigle› Dream well!
30/04/2008 04:30:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› Goodnight Daigle! Goodnight all!
30/04/2008 04:30:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Eventually, yes, there will be more Golarion specific spells. I suspect there'll be many in "Gods and Magic' for example.
30/04/2008 04:30:38 ‹James Jacobs› Tieflings are GREAT! There's actually a lot of tieflings in Riddleport.
30/04/2008 04:31:03 ‹James Jacobs› I wrote the art order for Falling: The Goblin Edition. That's the sum total of my involvement with that game as a designer or player.
30/04/2008 04:31:12 ‹Samwise› what about aasimar?
30/04/2008 04:31:19 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:31:22 ‹Daigle› James...speaking of tieflings in Riddleport....do you have more to Orik's story?
30/04/2008 04:31:27 * tensor joins Main
30/04/2008 04:31:31 ‹Charles Evans› (Sorry, I d not have Tome of horrors, and was slightly confused by the 'Delvahine is the only immortal in the lust area of the Runeforge' piece in Pathfinder #5, since I'm used to the 2nd edition Alufiend)
30/04/2008 04:31:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Alu-demons are probably immortal. I'm not sure.
30/04/2008 04:31:34 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Yes.
30/04/2008 04:31:35 * Fray quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:31:40 ‹Daigle› howdy tensor!
30/04/2008 04:31:53 ‹James Jacobs› The Vancaskerkin Saga comes to its final close in Pathfinder #13.
30/04/2008 04:31:58 ‹Daigle› More you can divulge or direct me to?
30/04/2008 04:31:59 ‹Wyvern› Hey tensor!
30/04/2008 04:32:00 ‹James Jacobs› BRB... noisy cat...
30/04/2008 04:32:01 ‹Daigle› Ahh
30/04/2008 04:32:06 ‹Daigle› okay...gracias
30/04/2008 04:32:08 ‹tensor› hi Daigle
30/04/2008 04:32:09 ‹Russ› Oh, the art was GREAT.
30/04/2008 04:32:16 ‹Timitius› Pulled out their Alpha 2 bound copies? Have no idea what you mean... http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...395481/
30/04/2008 04:32:17 ‹tensor› hi everyone
30/04/2008 04:32:26 ‹tensor› hi Wyvern
30/04/2008 04:32:31 ‹Pygon› hi tensor
30/04/2008 04:32:37 ‹tensor› holy molly, the room is zipping by at 100 mph tonight !!
30/04/2008 04:32:42 * Charles Evans chalks that one (Alu-demon) upto an error byS. Greer.
30/04/2008 04:32:44 ‹Russ› I admit I was a bit sad that was meteor in the one picture- I was hoping it was one of those laser towers :)
30/04/2008 04:32:46 ‹Daigle› tensor, I channeled you earlier.
30/04/2008 04:32:54 ‹tensor› :) hehe
30/04/2008 04:32:55 ‹Timitius› The art was awesome. That drow chick is gonna give Seoni a run for her money!
30/04/2008 04:33:16 ‹Eyebite› Ah, this chat is tearing up my laptop. G'night all!
30/04/2008 04:33:20 * Charles Evans has to log out to clear some Page files...
30/04/2008 04:33:20 * Crimson Jester joins Main
30/04/2008 04:33:28 ‹Charles Evans› Back later (maybe)
30/04/2008 04:33:28 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
30/04/2008 04:33:32 * Charles Evans quit
30/04/2008 04:33:36 ‹Daigle› Howdy Crimson jester.
30/04/2008 04:34:04 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Any alu-fiend issues were from me, actually. In Steve's original, the Lust wing was inhabited by pit hags. I changed them to alu-demons and succubi because they're more my thing than pit hags.
30/04/2008 04:34:17 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:34:22 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:34:32 ‹Daigle› I dedicated a handful of crawfish to you this past weekend, you midwest stuck Cajun, you.
30/04/2008 04:34:35 ‹Russ› ....pit hags...
30/04/2008 04:34:38 ‹Crimson Jester› Howdy Daigle..... I miss anything
30/04/2008 04:34:51 ‹Daigle› Molten rock
30/04/2008 04:34:53 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> There are no lasers in Second Darkness. There are a certain number of celestial falling star type objects though.
30/04/2008 04:34:55 ‹tensor› James Jacobs: you need to autograph some of the PaizoCon Pics and sell them on EBay!!
30/04/2008 04:35:06 ‹Crimson Jester› Cawfish are best when stepped on..................nasty little buggers
30/04/2008 04:35:06 ‹tensor› the master at work
30/04/2008 04:35:06 ‹Russ› But doooo yoooouuuu recall, the most eviiiiil cambion of all
30/04/2008 04:35:24 ‹Russ› Iuz the Wicked Old One, had a very naughty mom....
30/04/2008 04:35:25 ‹Daigle› :(
30/04/2008 04:35:47 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, of course. The Super Mario Galaxies/Pathfinder crossover begins.
30/04/2008 04:35:51 ‹James Jacobs› We'll probably put the Second Darkness art up online soon... I'm a little weirded out about previewing it before we're done previewing Crimson Throne, but we'll get the art up soon anyway.
30/04/2008 04:35:51 * Crimson Jester attacked by a pot of crawfish when I was youngers
30/04/2008 04:35:55 ‹Timitius› Russ: Oh dear. #-o
30/04/2008 04:36:24 ‹Daigle› Eeek
30/04/2008 04:36:26 * Crimson Jester always on a look out for the crawfish swarm
30/04/2008 04:36:41 ‹Daigle› Oooh...crawfish swarm!
30/04/2008 04:37:05 ‹tensor› well, I was summoned but a soul was not offered up for a deal. I'm going back to bed :) goodnight!
30/04/2008 04:37:06 ‹Russ› giant crayfish.
30/04/2008 04:37:07 ‹Russ› What mod had a giant crayfish in it?
30/04/2008 04:37:09 ‹tensor› goodnight Daigle.
30/04/2008 04:37:18 ‹Blazej› tensor, night.
30/04/2008 04:37:22 ‹Daigle› Nite tensor
30/04/2008 04:37:38 ‹Daigle› weird...I spelled it 'nite'
30/04/2008 04:37:40 ‹Ross› Pit hags are lame monsters anyway.
30/04/2008 04:37:43 ‹Hill Giant› I'm pretty sure 'suck da head' from dog soul has a giant crawfish
30/04/2008 04:37:50 ‹Crimson Jester› my dad went to abbeyville and picked up some fresh and hit a major pothole which caused the pot to fly and me to get covered...I still have scars
30/04/2008 04:38:14 * tensor quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:38:16 ‹Daigle› Wow! That's a crazy story!
30/04/2008 04:38:32 ‹Joey Virtue› James are u guys going to be at origins im going for VS worlds champ
30/04/2008 04:38:54 * Russ was poisonous giant frogs in a PF adventure.
30/04/2008 04:39:05 ‹Crimson Jester› Nasty little buggers but im told they taste good
30/04/2008 04:39:08 * Saracenus puts his pinky to his lips
30/04/2008 04:39:18 ‹Saracenus› I want... 1 million gold peices
30/04/2008 04:39:28 ‹Daigle› CJ, if done right. I've tasted som disappointing attempts.
30/04/2008 04:39:40 ‹Absinth› Pit hags? Which book are those in?
30/04/2008 04:39:40 ‹Pygon› James - I saw a discussion last week concerning puttin out PF products that are projected to sell well. Is there anything you'd really like to put out that according to projections might not sell well enough? I guess this relates to wondering if the game you are making is the same game you'd like to play... kind of thing.
30/04/2008 04:39:48 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I am not going to be at Origins. Paizo will be... but I don't know who they're sending. Erik, I would assume. MAYBE Jason...
30/04/2008 04:39:49 ‹Crimson Jester› well lets just say it took me years to make a good rue
30/04/2008 04:40:08 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Pit hags are in Tome of Horrors 3, I believe.
30/04/2008 04:40:11 ‹Crimson Jester› rouix
30/04/2008 04:40:13 ‹Daigle› roux ;)
30/04/2008 04:40:22 ‹Joey Virtue› cool thouse are two of u i want to meet
30/04/2008 04:40:28 ‹Saracenus› Flumphs!
30/04/2008 04:40:28 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah however...stuck with these yankees
30/04/2008 04:40:40 ‹Daigle› That was my first cooking job as a kid. I had to pull a chair up to the stove.
30/04/2008 04:40:48 ‹Absinth› Ahh, okay. The name sounds cool. Sad that they seem to be lame...
30/04/2008 04:40:50 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I'd LOVE to put out a boxed set. A deluxe boxed set adventure with cool handouts and poster maps. Doing so, I fear, would break the bank, though.
30/04/2008 04:40:55 ‹Daigle› Don't. Stop. Stirring.
30/04/2008 04:41:00 ‹Crimson Jester› isnt that always the first job though :)
30/04/2008 04:41:27 ‹Russ› What is the deal breaker with boxed sets for RPGs? I keep hearing they cost a fortune, but what is it about them?
30/04/2008 04:41:33 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah boxede sets dont seem t sell well
30/04/2008 04:41:41 ‹Crimson Jester› James Jacobs isnt that what Treasure chest was to be?
30/04/2008 04:41:50 ‹Absinth› The first job is Watch out, don't touch anything, get outta the kitchen
30/04/2008 04:42:41 * Absinth brews more coffee and watches the sun rise
30/04/2008 04:42:41 ‹Saracenus› Russ> It requires assembly
30/04/2008 04:44:06 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> It's all the different parts and the fact that they require assembly and the fact that bookstores aren't equipped to stock them on shelves and that they're really big and bulky and heavy for shipping and that they have a LOT more art and writing resources involved.
30/04/2008 04:44:16 * gary quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 04:44:23 ‹Crimson Jester› my first cook book was http://www.cajunmencook.com/cook/
30/04/2008 04:44:34 ‹James Jacobs› Boxed sets can sell well... but I've heard rumors that most or all of the TSR boxed sets lost money simply because they were too underpriced.
30/04/2008 04:44:52 ‹Daigle› CJ! I think I have that one!
30/04/2008 04:45:05 ‹Russ› Ok, stocking make a lot of sense to me.
30/04/2008 04:45:19 ‹Crimson Jester› its a great read and shows you how to make your own backyard steamer....I use it all the time
30/04/2008 04:45:29 ‹James Jacobs› I tinkered a bit with a boxed set with Jeff Alvarez, our VP of operations; in order to do a boxed set something like "Night Below," we'd have to charge something like $500 to cover our costs for the amount we'd print.
30/04/2008 04:45:33 ‹Lilith› Daigle: How was the crawfish boil? :D
30/04/2008 04:45:34 ‹Crimson Jester› the cookbook that is
30/04/2008 04:45:43 ‹Samwise› gah!
30/04/2008 04:45:47 ‹Samwise› $500?
30/04/2008 04:45:47 ‹Joey Virtue› So is pazi going to see in borders and barns and nobles
30/04/2008 04:45:54 ‹Pygon› yeah that's a bit steep :)
30/04/2008 04:45:54 * Samwise plotzes
30/04/2008 04:46:05 ‹Daigle› Lilz, it was rad! The bigs were tasty and the beer was cold. Nice weather, nice folks....no complaints.
30/04/2008 04:46:07 ‹Joey Virtue› Yeah thats a little much for an RPG thing
04:46:21 ‹Daigle› bugs, rather.
30/04/2008 04:46:22 ‹Russ› Wonder if the City of Brass boxed set did ok. I never did buy a copy.
30/04/2008 04:46:30 ‹James Jacobs› Treasure Chest was our first (and likely only) boxed set experiment. You'll note that almost everything in teh Treasure Chest was a reprinted thing; not new. It was all paid for. Yet we still had to pack them out and pay extra shipping and all that... and we didn't sell enough to justify doing one again.
30/04/2008 04:46:42 ‹Daigle› I got a bit tipsy toward the end of the evening and had to excuse myself to my campsite.
30/04/2008 04:46:55 ‹Crimson Jester› actually a one time "collectors set" might not be a bad deal
30/04/2008 04:47:07 ‹Russ› I saw a fair about of Paizo stuff at Powell's in Portland
30/04/2008 04:47:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Do you think that's because a good portion of what was in it was stuff we already had?
30/04/2008 04:47:23 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: I did like the artwork on the box! :D
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30/04/2008 04:47:43 ‹Lilith› Russ: Mmm...Powell's....=P~
30/04/2008 04:47:59 ‹Timitius› Lilith: Did you get anything from Genesis?
30/04/2008 04:48:01 ‹Russ› Got out of there for only $175!
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30/04/2008 04:48:08 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I suspect that there's a market out there for SUPER-PRICY RPG supplemetns. Ptolus did well, for example. But that's a risky scene.
30/04/2008 04:48:24 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I suspect that the City of Brass did not make anyone any money.
30/04/2008 04:48:30 ‹James Jacobs› I'd love to be proven wrong on that one.
30/04/2008 04:48:31 ‹Russ› Campaign Coins come to mind
30/04/2008 04:48:36 ‹Absinth› Regarding artwork, I liked the artwork for the Red Mantis. It's cool to see the picture of the sunken queen in the background. I love stuff like this and the artist is just great!
30/04/2008 04:48:40 ‹Lilith› Timitius: I didn't but captramses picked up Zombie Fluxx. :)
30/04/2008 04:48:42 ‹Ross› Forge world stays in business somehow, but I wouldn't recommend their pricing model.
30/04/2008 04:48:42 ‹Crimson Jester› By the way just got my hands on the gazetteer tonight........wooo hooo
30/04/2008 04:48:53 ‹Timitius› Russ: Wow. That's quite a feat! I usually do OK at Powells, and then blow the bank at the music store across the street.
30/04/2008 04:48:55 ‹Russ› Did your etched wood ship do okay? That was a majorly pricey buy
30/04/2008 04:49:24 ‹Joey Virtue› James how are the scans of the old DND boxed modules Return to TOH and Rod of seven parts
30/04/2008 04:49:25 ‹Crimson Jester› Lillith do you have a pic of the completed Rune Giant?
30/04/2008 04:49:42 ‹James Jacobs› The Etched Wood Ship... that wasn't us. That was a different company. I have no idea how they did on that.
30/04/2008 04:50:22 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Perhaps; but there's plenty of other people out there who DON'T have all the Paizo stuff. The Treasure Chest was more an attempt to grab new customers.
30/04/2008 04:50:33 ‹Timitius› Crimson Jester, http://photos1.meetupstatic.co...06.jpeg
30/04/2008 04:50:46 ‹Russ› Well, I don't know about other communities, but PF is generating a lot of local buzz.
30/04/2008 04:51:03 ‹Crimson Jester› the pic is so tiny I cant see it
30/04/2008 04:51:06 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...227986/
30/04/2008 04:51:08 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I'm not sure; I haven't looked at those scans.
30/04/2008 04:51:08 ‹Russ› The RPGA LG scene is looking pretty seriously at jumping to PF instead of 4thE
30/04/2008 04:51:18 ‹Russ› So...may be new customers there
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30/04/2008 04:51:37 ‹Saracenus› We have an Alpha 2 playtest planned for this weekend
30/04/2008 04:51:47 ‹James Jacobs› OMG. If we can get the 14,000 or so players of RPGA LG to join up on Pathfinder's org play scene... <BOGGLE>
30/04/2008 04:51:51 ‹Saracenus› Hopefully we confirm players and location tomorrow
30/04/2008 04:51:52 ‹James Jacobs› <droooooooooooool>
30/04/2008 04:51:56 ‹Crimson Jester› =D< and set up to scale
30/04/2008 04:52:18 ‹Daigle› James, in the week since this was brought up, have any of your fears about divulgent stories between Pathfinder and PS been alleviated?
30/04/2008 04:52:21 ‹Timitius› Crimson Jester, http://photos1.meetupstatic.co...06.jpeg
30/04/2008 04:52:29 ‹Russ› I meant just the Oregon crowd, but... :0
30/04/2008 04:52:35 ‹Timitius› Sorry, Firefox is all new to me....
30/04/2008 04:52:36 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes James that would be awesome....Have you thought of doing any games using rules other then d 20?
30/04/2008 04:53:16 ‹Absinth› Divulgent stories between Pathfinder and PS? What's PS for?
30/04/2008 04:53:17 ‹Russ› I'm going to brainstorm some ideas on player/dm rewards that won't break the bank.
30/04/2008 04:53:21 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Nope. Haven't really addressed that. As of this point, though, it's not a problem. I'm keeping my eye on it, though, and hopefully it WON'T turn into a combat between my department and the Org Play scene.
30/04/2008 04:53:41 ‹Daigle› Stay vigilent, my man!
30/04/2008 04:53:45 ‹Absinth› Ahh, okay, PF Society. Got it...
30/04/2008 04:53:50 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Not yet. We barely have enough staff to handle one rules set. Diverging into other games would kill us. Fast.
30/04/2008 04:54:12 ‹Samwise› James>I might suggest that WotC is aware of the possibility of the LG fanbase jumping to Pathfinder (as an example), and would very much like that not to happen
30/04/2008 04:54:23 ‹Ross› How goes filling the software developer spot?
30/04/2008 04:54:32 ‹Absinth› James, what are you working on at the moment?
30/04/2008 04:55:00 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> I suspect that WotC absolutely wouldn't want to lose the LG group... but again, I'm not seeing them doing much to encourage fans of LG to stick around. <shrug>
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30/04/2008 04:55:19 ‹James Jacobs› No development on the softward developer spot at all, alas.
30/04/2008 04:55:59 ‹Wyvern› Wait two months... just two more months ;)
30/04/2008 04:56:03 ‹Samwise› as for what they are doing i cannot say, that it is a factor they are trying to address . . .
30/04/2008 04:56:29 ‹Crimson Jester› I assume that celwynvian will get a large treatment in second darkness will urglin or Janderhoff be expanded on anytime soon?
30/04/2008 04:56:53 * Charles Evans joins Main
30/04/2008 04:57:05 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Currently? Editing Pathfinder 11, Developing Pathfinder 12, Reviewing Pathfinder 13, Art Order for Gods & Magic, Writing Into the Darklands, Writing Second Darkness Player's Guide, Developing Second Darkness Player's Guide, Writing for the Hardcover, Reviewing PFRPG Alpha 3, Developing Material for the Hardcover... and managing the staff of the RPG department. So. not much.
30/04/2008 04:57:07 ‹Ross› Wyvern, you graduate in two months or something?
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30/04/2008 04:57:33 ‹Pygon› James - any sign of Alpha 2 errata notes? Or did I miss them...
30/04/2008 04:57:45 ‹Absinth› Yes, not much... *shudders* :)
30/04/2008 04:57:50 ‹Wyvern› Sort of... ;)
30/04/2008 04:57:57 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> There'll be an article about Celwynvian in Pathfinder 15, yup. Urglin and Janderhoff are not on the list, and since we'll be moving OUT of Varisia with AP4... they'll probably never get articles.
30/04/2008 04:58:06 ‹Joey Virtue› I hate 56k modems
30/04/2008 04:58:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Thank you for being courteous and polite. Please try to find the time to take a holiday somewhere (even a working one!) since it can't be good for your health being in contact with idiots like me every day.
30/04/2008 04:58:28 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Jason supposedly is sending the Alpha 2 errata to us tomorrow to lay out and then post up online ASAP.
04:58:30 * Daigle laughs!
30/04/2008 04:58:35 ‹Russ› Samwise> it would be easy for WotC to drop Greyhawk fans a bone, and I don't mean a "We MIGHT do your setting and these 6 others"
30/04/2008 04:58:36 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
30/04/2008 04:58:37 ‹Pygon› excellent
30/04/2008 04:58:45 ‹Daigle› I'd hardly call you an idiot, however.
30/04/2008 04:59:00 ‹Russ› I want an article on Rovagug :)
30/04/2008 04:59:04 ‹Joey Virtue› I got the boot james i never saw your reply
30/04/2008 04:59:28 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> We'll see... we'll see. All I can say is that we'll be starting up a brand new campaign that's being designed by some of the same folk who built LG, and that it uses the same rules you already know, and so on...
30/04/2008 04:59:42 ‹Pygon› Joey - he said "Joey> I'm not sure; I haven't looked at those scans."
30/04/2008 04:59:50 ‹James Jacobs› The what I"m working on now reply, Joey?
30/04/2008 04:59:54 ‹Joey Virtue› Thanks
30/04/2008 05:00:05 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Yeah. Haven't seen the scans. SO I have no idea. :(
30/04/2008 05:00:06 ‹Ross› Wyvern, what happens, then?
30/04/2008 05:00:07 * Crimson Jester changes his/her nickname to CJ AFK
30/04/2008 05:00:15 ‹Joey Virtue› My posts are gone agains
30/04/2008 05:00:21 ‹Absinth› 4E releases...
30/04/2008 05:00:23 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Was that a Ha, they're not giving you a holiday any time sooN?
30/04/2008 05:00:26 ‹Lilith› Joey Virtue: Ctrl-F5
30/04/2008 05:00:27 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Rovagug and Sarenrae will, I suspect, get articles at the same time. Perhaps during AP5.
30/04/2008 05:00:27 ‹Charles Evans› :)
30/04/2008 05:00:42 ‹Saracenus› James Jaccobs: So long as we don't repeat Living Ghetto from Erik's time as the head of LG :twisted:
30/04/2008 05:00:54 ‹James Jacobs› Sort of. Until Pathifnder gets caught up... it'd be irresponsible to take much time off more than 1 day a week, alas.
30/04/2008 05:01:17 ‹Absinth› James, I liked your run on the PF journal. Do you enjoy writing fiction?
30/04/2008 05:01:19 ‹Samwise› Russ>indeed, and i might expect a bit more as well, but it seems their focus is elsewhere at the moment, or at least staying "in house" or with "established" people, which i think cannot work with Greyhawk (again, with my obvious bias)
30/04/2008 05:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› Saracenus> I have no idea what you're talking about. I know less about the RPGA than you think... ;)
30/04/2008 05:01:45 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I very much enjoy writing fiction, yes. More than writing game material, and I enjoy writing game material a LOT.
30/04/2008 05:01:46 ‹Samwise› James>due to the growing pains of the first year of the LG campaign, treasure was extremely low
30/04/2008 05:01:48 ‹Daigle› I can imagine days off for any of the Paizo folk are still spent thinking about it all anyway.
30/04/2008 05:01:53 ‹Charles Evans› I will try to take it one PF at a time and wait until the spoilers at the end of #12. If I skip Path #3, #4 is sounding intriguing anyway.
30/04/2008 05:02:07 * Charles Evans times out
30/04/2008 05:02:15 * Charles Evans times back in.
30/04/2008 05:02:17 ‹Russ› JJ> Living Ghetto was when there was no money in LG, and we were scrapping daggers off goblins to pay the bills
30/04/2008 05:02:22 ‹Samwise› so low that a neologistic verb was created to reflect what players needed to do to come out an adventure with more gp than when theey started
30/04/2008 05:02:24 ‹James Jacobs› Ah.
30/04/2008 05:02:26 ‹Samwise› "Greyhawking"
30/04/2008 05:02:40 ‹Samwise› meaning "to strip every dead thing naked for loot"
30/04/2008 05:02:46 ‹Charles Evans› If I do skip Path #3, path ##4 is sounding intriguing anyway.
30/04/2008 05:02:47 ‹Daigle› Glean those dungeons, kids!
30/04/2008 05:02:57 ‹Saracenus› We looted entire homes <G>
30/04/2008 05:03:00 ‹Joey Virtue› We are staying Golarian but leaving this contenent? (cant spell)
30/04/2008 05:03:01 ‹Samwise› Daigle>literally, yes
30/04/2008 05:03:01 ‹Lilith› "If it ain't nailed down, take it. If it is, where's your crowbar?"
30/04/2008 05:03:02 ‹Samwise› and worse
30/04/2008 05:03:06 ‹Russ› We sold RATIONS.
30/04/2008 05:03:08 ‹James Jacobs› Personally... the RPGA model of tournament play and all that is Absolutely Uninteresting to me. It's not the way I like playing the game at all. Which is why I'm SO HAPPY that we've got folk like Erik and Jason and Nick on the staff now, who LOVE that type of play. YAY!
30/04/2008 05:03:11 ‹Pygon› sell them crossbow bolts!
30/04/2008 05:03:17 ‹Samwise› and clothes!
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30/04/2008 05:03:28 ‹Samwise› if it was listed in the phb, it was looted and sold
30/04/2008 05:03:29 ‹Daigle› Sam, I never played LG, but I'm glad that article hit home there.
30/04/2008 05:03:35 ‹Absinth› What's wrong with Greyhawking? It's like in the real world! :D
30/04/2008 05:03:45 ‹Ross› If the crowbar won't get it, it's real estate!
30/04/2008 05:03:46 ‹ollibolli› Good morning from Germany
30/04/2008 05:03:48 ‹Saracenus› James Jacobs: Organized play has its charms, but you do sacrifice for it...
30/04/2008 05:03:54 ‹Pygon› hi olli
30/04/2008 05:03:57 ‹Russ› James - I can see the lack of appeal. For me, the thrill of it is playing with literally hundreds of other gamers over the years.
30/04/2008 05:04:00 ‹Absinth› Hi Olli
30/04/2008 05:04:04 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> nope; AP 4 is staying on the continent.
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30/04/2008 05:04:40 ‹James Jacobs› Saracenus> I get my org-play itch scratched by World of Warcraft, I guess.
30/04/2008 05:04:54 ‹Saracenus› lol
30/04/2008 05:04:59 ‹Joey Virtue› what about after?
30/04/2008 05:05:15 ‹Wyvern› Organized play doesn't move at all either.
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30/04/2008 05:05:26 * Russ org-scratches and grunts.
30/04/2008 05:05:34 * Daigle has never been interested in Org Play.
30/04/2008 05:05:41 ‹James Jacobs› For me, the absolutely most interesting part of the game is developing a character in a world during a story the GM has cooked up and developing my character's relationships with other characters. None of that happens in tournaments, since you switch GMs and other players every time. Gross. No thanks.
30/04/2008 05:05:42 ‹Wyvern› move me
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30/04/2008 05:06:08 ‹Wyvern› Exactly!
30/04/2008 05:06:11 ‹Russ› Sort of true. But you tend to play with a frequent core. My PCs absolutely have relations with those I play the most with. but there is a lot less time for RP.
30/04/2008 05:06:33 ‹Saracenus› James: On the other hand, if you travel or don't have a regular group Org Play is a great place to hook up with other gamers...
30/04/2008 05:06:34 ‹James Jacobs› BRB...
30/04/2008 05:06:38 ‹Russ› The worst thing that you lose is the campaign reacting in any way to what you do.
30/04/2008 05:07:17 ‹Ross› Wyvern, really, what happens in two months, you have me all curious. Unless its a secret.
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30/04/2008 05:07:52 ‹Hill Giant› I prefer one-offs with integrated characters to "living" games...
30/04/2008 05:08:14 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... I can see the value and perks of Org Play. The way I'm wired, though... I'd rather just not play and read adventures if I were always on the move, to be honest.
30/04/2008 05:08:18 ‹Wyvern› It is private yes. Sorry :(
30/04/2008 05:08:19 * Daigle is scared of strangers.
30/04/2008 05:08:22 ‹Daigle› :P
30/04/2008 05:08:23 ‹Russ› Wow. Not even close for me. The one-offs don't let you develop any depth to your PC.
30/04/2008 05:08:42 ‹Ross› Wyvern, fair enough. Best of luck to you, whatever it is.
30/04/2008 05:08:48 ‹Russ› It is something to play the same character for 8 years. You develop them a LOT.
30/04/2008 05:08:51 * Daigle ain't rilly.
30/04/2008 05:08:54 ‹Hill Giant› A good one-off character come s with its own depth
30/04/2008 05:09:03 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Writing Lilith
30/04/2008 05:09:04 ‹Writing Lilith› :typerhappy:
30/04/2008 05:09:16 ‹Daigle› Uh oh! She's busy!
30/04/2008 05:09:25 ‹Pygon› writing stuffs
30/04/2008 05:09:37 ‹Daigle› Show off! I'm getting to work too then!
30/04/2008 05:09:56 * Charles Evans joins Main
30/04/2008 05:10:17 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. I think my computer wants me to go to bed.
30/04/2008 05:11:06 ‹Timitius› Well, I'm off to copy Cosmo's choice photos for the Paizocon archives.
30/04/2008 05:11:09 ‹Russ› I gotta say, the difference between the depth of a one-off and a PC oyu've played for half a decade or more is like the difference between a pamphlet and a novel
30/04/2008 05:11:15 ‹Writing Lilith› Timitius: Go go go! :D
30/04/2008 05:11:27 ‹ollibolli› I'd like to be able to lay my hands on the adventures for Organized Play, too. Even if I'd not have a group ready to play (Compulsive collector speaking)
30/04/2008 05:11:39 ‹Writing Lilith› Russ: The hubby would agree with you. :)
30/04/2008 05:11:56 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: What I like about one-off characters is that their usually something I wouldn't design myself.
30/04/2008 05:12:25 ‹Timitius› Everyone, keep Paizocon II in mind...especially with this Organized Play stuff. It was hinted that PFS would likely find a prominent place at Paizocon next year.
30/04/2008 05:12:39 ‹Writing Lilith› Timitius: :woot:
30/04/2008 05:12:44 ‹Hill Giant› I suppose what I like is having the character integrated with the story - you get that in a good one-off or a home campaign, but not so much in "living" games.
30/04/2008 05:12:46 ‹Russ› I'm more than happy to DM again!
30/04/2008 05:12:48 * CJ AFK changes his/her nickname to Crimson Jester
30/04/2008 05:12:52 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I was wondering if there will ever be a compilation of the miscellaneous articles from the back of Pathfinder? I'm suspecting that the answer is 'no' because yu don't like repeating material.
30/04/2008 05:12:55 ‹Timitius› I will likely start an open discussion next week.
30/04/2008 05:13:19 ‹Timitius› Russ: I'm more than happy to have you DM again!:D
30/04/2008 05:13:33 ‹Russ› Living doesn't; need quotes - it is an accurate description of a campaign that goes whether you and your group play or not.
30/04/2008 05:14:27 ‹Hill Giant› I was quoting it because I assumed it was a trademark or whatever for specific RPGA games
30/04/2008 05:14:28 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Probably not. We may eventually do something like a monster book that gathers monsters, or a big deity book that gathers all the deity articles, or a big city book that compiles all the city articles... but not until we've got a few more years-worth of material, I guess.
30/04/2008 05:15:25 * Samwise quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 05:15:26 ‹Writing Lilith› Yay! Monsters! :raptor: Rawr!
30/04/2008 05:15:37 ‹Saracenus› I see SRM was at Paizo con, any other WotC guys or gals there?
05:15:49 ‹Writing Lilith› Saracenus: Rodney Thompson
30/04/2008 05:15:50 ‹Hill Giant› (I don't like games that live without me - maybe I'm selfish that way ;-) )
30/04/2008 05:15:51 * Russ wants to write a revised intellect devourer, and is working on it too
30/04/2008 05:15:53 ‹Russ› Rodney was
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30/04/2008 05:16:34 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; SRM and Rodney Thompson were there.
30/04/2008 05:16:42 ‹James Jacobs› It was cool to see them there!
30/04/2008 05:17:09 ‹Crimson Jester› was there a big showing of people?
30/04/2008 05:17:28 ‹Saracenus› I know SRM is playing in a Pathfinder 4e campaign at lunch at WotC
30/04/2008 05:17:47 ‹Charles Evans› Did getting Kuntz to write anything for Golarion ever go anywhere?
30/04/2008 05:17:47 ‹Saracenus› My old DM from Seattle Chris Lindsay is running it
30/04/2008 05:17:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; there was about 40 folk in all, I think.
30/04/2008 05:17:54 ‹James Jacobs› between guests and panelists and all that.
30/04/2008 05:18:06 ‹Pygon› PF 4e? ... *explodes*
30/04/2008 05:18:21 ‹Absinth› James, you already confirmed that Paizo will do a MM for the PFRPG, can we expect monsters from PF/GM in there or are there plans for an additional Monsters of Golarion book?
30/04/2008 05:18:52 ‹James Jacobs› Here's what I'd like to do, regarding monster books...
30/04/2008 05:18:54 ‹Charles Evans› And did I see that Mike got Greenwood writing for Golarion (the gazetter I think?) and that Lisa has Richard Garfield in her play-test group for Alpha?
30/04/2008 05:18:56 ‹Saracenus› Pygon> it is evidently pretty easy to convert 3e stuff to 4e as adventures go
30/04/2008 05:18:59 ‹Russ› Good for him.
30/04/2008 05:19:26 ‹Pygon› Sarac - I just found it odd that they combined the two :)
30/04/2008 05:19:36 ‹James Jacobs› FIRST: Print a "monster manual" style book as a companion book to the PF RPG next August/September. That book would have all the SRD monsters and a sampling of open d20 monters we use lots in it, but no monsters specific to Golarion.
30/04/2008 05:19:42 ‹Saracenus› Why, a lot of WotC guys love the setting
30/04/2008 05:19:52 ‹Saracenus› As Chris has said, it is packed with cool
30/04/2008 05:19:57 ‹Pygon› well that's good then.
30/04/2008 05:20:07 ‹James Jacobs› THEN: Some later point, we'd do a "Pathfinder Bestiary" that compiles monsters from the Adventure Paths and Pathfinder Modules. As a separate book.
30/04/2008 05:20:20 ‹James Jacobs› Ed Greenwood is indeed writing for the hardcover.
30/04/2008 05:20:23 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Would there be new art?
30/04/2008 05:20:24 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, sounds like a good plan.
30/04/2008 05:20:27 ‹Crimson Jester› James> why no specific monsters to Golarion?
30/04/2008 05:20:32 ‹Charles Evans› open d20 including Tome of Horrors?
30/04/2008 05:20:43 ‹Wyvern› James: Yeah that works for me.
30/04/2008 05:20:55 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; monsters from the SRD and probably some from Tome of Horrors.
30/04/2008 05:21:07 ‹ollibolli› consider it bought by me *G*
30/04/2008 05:21:11 ‹Saracenus› Axebeaks!
30/04/2008 05:21:19 ‹Charles Evans› (I have no idea whether Tome of Horrors is Open D20 or not, but notice it gets a lot of mentyion in some stat blocks:))
30/04/2008 05:21:35 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: It's Open Game Content, so it's available.
30/04/2008 05:21:42 ‹James Jacobs› That'll make us a generic monster book usable for ALL games that use the PF RPG rules, and sort of keeps the MM in print. THat book needs to be separate from Golarion continuity, which is why no AP or Module monsters.
30/04/2008 05:21:42 ‹ollibolli› some critters from Book of Fiends, too?
30/04/2008 05:21:51 ‹Saracenus› Charles Evans> Yes ToH is OGL
30/04/2008 05:21:53 ‹James Jacobs› Probably not Book of Fiends.
30/04/2008 05:22:26 ‹Absinth› Or templates from the AB? Some see a lot of use...
30/04/2008 05:22:29 ‹James Jacobs› I've got a semi-complicated set of yes/no protocals in my head for what monsters would make it in and what ones won't.
30/04/2008 05:23:08 ‹Charles Evans› Fiend Folio was a Paizo product?
30/04/2008 05:23:16 ‹Absinth› No
30/04/2008 05:23:18 ‹Writing Lilith› Fiend Folio was Green Ronin.
30/04/2008 05:23:29 ‹Absinth› Wrong as well... It was WotC
30/04/2008 05:23:32 ‹James Jacobs› We can't do ALL new art... but we CAN pick up art from Pathfinder and the modules to illustrate monsters. In any case, a Pathfinder RPG product monster manual would HAVE to have new art.
30/04/2008 05:23:41 ‹James Jacobs› Fiend Folio was WotC but written by a lot of Paizo folk.
30/04/2008 05:24:24 ‹Absinth› FF is still one of my favorite monster books...
30/04/2008 05:24:53 ‹James Jacobs› Book of Fiends is a pretty cool, solid book as-is, with monsters that fit well in its theme. Tome of Horrors, on the other hand, has a LOT of classic D&D monsters in it that I think should remain in the core rules. Froghemoths, for example.
30/04/2008 05:25:06 ‹Samwise› (ping)
30/04/2008 05:25:08 ‹Russ› Heh.
30/04/2008 05:25:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Which rulebook did Flumphs come out in?
30/04/2008 05:25:18 ‹Samwise› hello?
30/04/2008 05:25:19 ‹Russ› Arumvoraxes :)
30/04/2008 05:25:22 ‹Samwise› there i am
30/04/2008 05:25:23 ‹Samwise› feh
30/04/2008 05:25:24 ‹Russ› Can we pass on the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing?
30/04/2008 05:25:27 ‹Samwise› i got dumped again
30/04/2008 05:25:31 ‹Crimson Jester› we need but one monster :cthulhu:
30/04/2008 05:25:34 ‹Hill Giant› I can see you Sam
30/04/2008 05:25:41 ‹Samwise› expedition to the barrier peaks?
30/04/2008 05:25:50 ‹Writing Lilith› I can see you Samwise!
30/04/2008 05:25:51 ‹Samwise› Hill Giant>yes, but i was getting no text from the room
30/04/2008 05:26:00 ‹Hill Giant› ah
30/04/2008 05:26:27 ‹James Jacobs› Flumphs first showed up in the 1st edition Fiend Folio.
30/04/2008 05:26:37 ‹James Jacobs› Arumvoraxes SHOULD be in the core, yes.
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30/04/2008 05:26:51 ‹Hill Giant› Golarion totally needs flumphs!
30/04/2008 05:27:04 ‹Charles Evans› Or were flumphs a designed for dungeon special? :-? I remember seeing a third edition Dungeon adventure featuring them, 'Box of Flumph'.
30/04/2008 05:27:08 ‹The Last Rogue› Dire Flumphs
30/04/2008 05:27:24 ‹James Jacobs› wolf-in-sheep's-clothing is fun... but it's a one-shot trick that isn't worth including when there are things like daemons and the like.
30/04/2008 05:27:52 ‹The Last Rogue› JJ, I eagerly await your Demon article in KQ
30/04/2008 05:27:58 ‹James Jacobs› Flumphs were first designed in the 1st edition Fiend Folio. They appeared in the Tome of Horrors, but didn't come back to 3rd edition until Dungeon ran "Box of Flumphs" by Tim Hitchcock.
30/04/2008 05:28:08 ‹James Jacobs› It's a devil article... but cool! Hope you like it!
30/04/2008 05:28:17 ‹Charles Evans› Tome of Horrors?
30/04/2008 05:28:25 ‹The Last Rogue› Wha? YOU? Doing Devils?
30/04/2008 05:28:36 ‹Russ› Flumphs weren't in White Dward before Fiend Folio?
30/04/2008 05:28:37 ‹The Last Rogue› Could of sworn you were a demon guy . . .
30/04/2008 05:28:50 ‹The Last Rogue› Fine by me though, I love me some devils.
30/04/2008 05:28:50 ‹Charles Evans› This is not good news... it moves tiome of horrors up my 3.5 'buy before it runs out of print' list.
30/04/2008 05:28:51 ‹Hill Giant› He's NE - he goes both ways
30/04/2008 05:29:09 ‹Crimson Jester› Flumphs are great http://www.giantitp.com/comics...74.html
30/04/2008 05:29:53 ‹Charles Evans› Thinking of NG has Orcus made any progress on the GSL front over the weekend?
30/04/2008 05:30:18 ‹Charles Evans› Or are the lawyers stioll dug in solidly?
30/04/2008 05:30:31 ‹James Jacobs› I am a Demon Guy. Devils are cool too though, and they're the KQ thing.
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30/04/2008 05:30:56 ‹James Jacobs› No GSL news yet.
30/04/2008 05:31:01 ‹Writing Lilith› JJ has joined the ranks of KQ contributors! :woot:
30/04/2008 05:31:08 ‹Crimson Jester› is Numeria where Warforged are from?
30/04/2008 05:31:18 * mortellan joins Main
30/04/2008 05:31:21 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. I probably could check on ENWorld.
30/04/2008 05:31:32 ‹Ross› Writing Lilith, I may have too. I'm waiting for the Kobold to send me the contract!
30/04/2008 05:31:36 ‹Russ› We're over a week from Rouse's promised new details. Joy :)
30/04/2008 05:32:05 ‹Charles Evans› GSL seems to be moving horribly slowly. I feel bad for NG and Goodman, trapped in a terrible limbo.
30/04/2008 05:32:05 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Nope.
30/04/2008 05:32:11 ‹James Jacobs› There are no warforged on Golarion.
30/04/2008 05:32:36 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Although there could be if the GM wanted them. :P
30/04/2008 05:33:03 * mortellan sneezes
30/04/2008 05:33:06 ‹Crimson Jester› Well they do have Metalmen who patrol
30/04/2008 05:33:13 ‹Russ› That's right. They are called BattleMade.
30/04/2008 05:33:19 ‹Russ› And their women are BattleMaids.
30/04/2008 05:33:22 ‹James Jacobs› If the GM wants them, sure. But don't tell me about it! I don't wanna hear about that kind of blasphemy.
30/04/2008 05:33:35 ‹Crimson Jester› Ha HA HA AH
30/04/2008 05:33:37 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: :lol:
30/04/2008 05:33:44 ‹Writing Lilith› BLassssspheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemer!
30/04/2008 05:34:18 * Charles Evans casts holy word
30/04/2008 05:34:26 ‹Wyvern› Heya mort!
30/04/2008 05:34:27 ‹Crimson Jester› When will Vuldra and Tien get more love?
30/04/2008 05:34:31 ‹mortellan› yo wyv
30/04/2008 05:34:32 * Writing Lilith has an unholy aura..
30/04/2008 05:34:57 ‹mortellan› that must be why my skin is blistering
30/04/2008 05:34:58 ‹James Jacobs› Vudra gets a LOT of love in Pathfinder 9.
30/04/2008 05:34:59 ‹Russ› CJ> PF #9.
30/04/2008 05:35:11 ‹Russ› I was gonna say :) I did some Vudra reading tonight!
30/04/2008 05:35:12 ‹James Jacobs› They both get some screen time in the Hardcover as well.
30/04/2008 05:35:25 ‹ollibolli› yay
30/04/2008 05:35:30 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes I read the article on the Rashakas
30/04/2008 05:35:57 ‹Writing Lilith› Mmmm....House Arkona...:P
30/04/2008 05:36:00 ‹Crimson Jester› and trembled at the Maharaja
30/04/2008 05:36:15 ‹Charles Evans› Lilit: I'm assuming with your HD you wouldn't be affected anyway.
30/04/2008 05:37:15 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: :lol: Possible. :P
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30/04/2008 05:37:54 ‹Crimson Jester› Speaking of Demons and Devils....with the Pathfinder RPG and the Channel ability will you have any low level Demons/Devils ect that are affected by this ability?
30/04/2008 05:37:56 ‹Saracenus› Charles Evans: "The Rouse" was at a trade convention last weekend... so no progress right now
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30/04/2008 05:38:04 ‹Charles Evans› Does Eodred II have any children by Ileone, by the way? I see no mention in Player's Guide or Crimson Throne #7
05:38:19 ‹Charles Evans› Saracenus: Ah he was at GAMA?
30/04/2008 05:38:25 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: No children.
30/04/2008 05:38:51 ‹Saracenus› Charles Evans: Yes, GAMA
30/04/2008 05:38:54 ‹Writing Lilith› Eodred II suffered from the same curse as the rest of the Crimson Throne predecessors.
30/04/2008 05:39:02 ‹Writing Lilith› No direct heirs.
30/04/2008 05:39:18 ‹Hill Giant› OK, I'm off. Thanks for the chatting, James, and all the hard work on PF.
30/04/2008 05:39:22 ‹Saracenus› Linae Foster was also there Charles
30/04/2008 05:39:25 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Not srue yet.
30/04/2008 05:39:32 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: I thought the curse was that direct heirs never inheritted.
30/04/2008 05:39:59 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I assume you mean "by Ileosa?" No. He does not. There are no kids in Castle Korvosa.
30/04/2008 05:40:19 ‹Charles Evans› saracenus: With both the ENWorlder's at GAMA further posts on ENWorld are hardly likely to have happened then from a WotC direction...:(
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30/04/2008 05:40:22 ‹James Jacobs› That's actualy the "CURSE" part. That no king of Korvosa has fathered an heir while he was king.
30/04/2008 05:40:22 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: Possible. I do know that they specifically called out Eodred II's inability to produce an heir, despite a harem of slaves and later Ileosa.
30/04/2008 05:40:54 ‹Samwise› the curse hits you in the yarbles
30/04/2008 05:40:54 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Eodred II is shooting blanks.
30/04/2008 05:41:25 ‹Charles Evans› I take it this is because of some annoyed diposessed Shoanti?
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30/04/2008 05:42:07 ‹Samwise› or because of whats under the pyramid
30/04/2008 05:42:15 ‹Crimson Jester› How do they get thier heirs....havent read much of crimson throne yet
30/04/2008 05:42:26 ‹Absinth› Yes, will details of the curse be revealed?
30/04/2008 05:42:32 ‹Writing Lilith› Crimson Jester: They inherit through cousins and nephews.
30/04/2008 05:42:33 ‹Samwise› id assume breed beforehand
30/04/2008 05:42:35 ‹ollibolli› mmmmh... our bread is ready (we have an automatic bread baking machine)... time for breakfast
30/04/2008 05:42:42 ‹Samwise› or be succeeded by a relative or usurper
30/04/2008 05:42:44 ‹Writing Lilith› Guide to Korvosa has quite a bit of info in it.
30/04/2008 05:42:45 ‹ollibolli› bbl
30/04/2008 05:42:46 ‹Samwise› or both ;)
30/04/2008 05:42:49 ‹James Jacobs› The curse details may or may not be revealed in Pathfinder 12. I haven't decided yet.
30/04/2008 05:42:49 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise: I thought whatwas under the pyramid was the relcs of the dragon?
30/04/2008 05:43:17 ‹Charles Evans› Unless there's something else under there?
30/04/2008 05:43:19 ‹James Jacobs› There are dragon relics under Castle Korvosa, yes... but there's a LOT more under that that not many folk know about.
30/04/2008 05:43:21 ‹Writing Lilith› Samwise: Queen Domina had a child beforehand, before she claimed the throne, and escaped that part of the Curse, I believe.
30/04/2008 05:43:30 ‹Crimson Jester› I have barelt purused my guide to Korvosa....forgot I bought it, its sitting on my bookshelf...... I feel so ashamed
30/04/2008 05:43:38 ‹Russ› One had a kid before hand. And there's actually only been 4 or so kings/queens, so it isn't as bad as it sounds
30/04/2008 05:43:43 * Writing Lilith punishes Crimson Jester. :whip:
30/04/2008 05:43:43 ‹James Jacobs› There's actually a LOT of deeper dungeon levels under Castle Korvosa that no one in Korvosa know about.
30/04/2008 05:43:52 ‹Absinth› James, I strongly suggest to reveal them, at least shortly. Otherwise, the title of the AP won't make much sense...:)
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30/04/2008 05:44:03 ‹Crimson Jester› Lilith....My wife might not approve
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30/04/2008 05:44:12 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Reveal them when it makes sense in the story. :P
30/04/2008 05:44:12 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I take it that there has been a pretty stong Lawful influence on the Korvosan Royal family up until now...
30/04/2008 05:44:16 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yup. Actually, Queen Domina had at least 2 children. Eodred was one of them.
30/04/2008 05:44:23 ‹Writing Lilith› Crimson Jester: Quite likely. :P
30/04/2008 05:44:27 ‹James Jacobs› yes. Law is very prevelent in Korvosa.
30/04/2008 05:44:32 ‹Crimson Jester› but its oh so nice
30/04/2008 05:44:39 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> And it might not make sense to reveal them at all.
30/04/2008 05:44:40 * Writing Lilith read Guide to Korvosa and Classic Monsters Revisited last night. Back to back.
30/04/2008 05:44:54 ‹James Jacobs› The "Curse" also, of course, refers to Queen Ileosa.
30/04/2008 05:44:56 ‹Charles Evans› At least if they haven't started trying to make pacts with nasty chaotics such as the church of Lamashtu to get heirs.
30/04/2008 05:45:24 ‹Charles Evans› Several medieval/renaissance English kings were very bothered by the sucession.
30/04/2008 05:45:33 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Can I make a request for future "Guides", particularly city guides? I'd like to see a listing of locations by type, such as "Inns", "Temples" etc.
30/04/2008 05:46:19 ‹Crimson Jester› Classic Monster was what I always wanted to have a book about...sort of ike Dungeon Ecologies...something to give umpf to the monsters and a place in the world.....Now all we need is Classics revisited II that focuses on other critters
30/04/2008 05:46:26 ‹Charles Evans› Anne Boleyn couldn't give Henry VIII a living male heir... decapiation time for her on (possibly) trumped up charges.
30/04/2008 05:46:56 ‹Crimson Jester› yes well she might have tried to give him an heir ...even if it wasnt an heir
30/04/2008 05:47:09 * Russ has lots of ideas for CM II!
30/04/2008 05:47:39 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> That's a good suggestion.
30/04/2008 05:47:52 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: It's driving me crazy in my SCAP game. :P
30/04/2008 05:47:55 ‹Absinth› Henry VIII is an extreme example for "kings bothered about heirs". :)
30/04/2008 05:47:58 ‹James Jacobs› And assuming Classic Monsters does well... another one's probably guarenteed.
30/04/2008 05:48:21 ‹Crimson Jester› although I really liked MM V, for the expanded monsters
30/04/2008 05:48:39 ‹Crimson Jester› it hasnt already done well?
30/04/2008 05:49:22 ‹Daigle› City setting stuff is highly valued by my group. I love having a name and place for most of the buildings in a location, even if they are 'throwaways"
30/04/2008 05:49:40 * Daigle accidentally comes back.
30/04/2008 05:50:01 * Daigle blames TMBG.
30/04/2008 05:50:21 ‹Charles Evans› How safe is the river to swim in in Korvosa? Given that the city has a sewer system?
30/04/2008 05:50:30 * OroboroSteve joins Main
30/04/2008 05:50:33 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> I don't know. I haven't looked at the numbers lately.
30/04/2008 05:50:38 ‹Charles Evans› (I'm thinking diseases, not predatory lifeforms)
30/04/2008 05:50:42 ‹Daigle› Howdy OroboroSteve!
30/04/2008 05:51:02 ‹OroboroSteve› hey hey!
30/04/2008 05:51:05 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The river's safe enough to swim in... but there are monsters in there. As for diseases... yeah... the sewer DOES flow right into the river. Your best bet is to go up river.
30/04/2008 05:51:09 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: I'd say fairly safe, considering the otyughs take care of most of the waste.
30/04/2008 05:51:18 ‹Writing Lilith› upriver is always best
30/04/2008 05:51:36 ‹Charles Evans› Do Otughs have problems with saltwater or not?
30/04/2008 05:51:40 ‹Daigle› That's where the best beaches and boat launches are anyways.
30/04/2008 05:51:49 ‹Crimson Jester› do they fish in the river or head out into the bay?
30/04/2008 05:52:10 ‹Charles Evans› The estuary, when the tide is rising will be partially salty, I would think?
30/04/2008 05:52:49 ‹James Jacobs› Otyughs don't go into the river or the esturay really, but they don't care if water's salty or fresh. Look at what they eat!
30/04/2008 05:53:04 ‹James Jacobs› The fishing mostly happens at sea.
30/04/2008 05:53:09 ‹Charles Evans› And, on a related note, do the predators in the river change with the rise and fall of the tides, as the freshwater/salt-water go back and forth?
30/04/2008 05:53:15 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Nom nom nom...:P
30/04/2008 05:53:16 ‹James Jacobs› But there's plenty of fishing off of piers.
30/04/2008 05:53:56 ‹James Jacobs› The river predators are mostly jigsaw sharks and reefclaws. Aligators are not unheard of, but they're more rare.
30/04/2008 05:54:07 ‹Charles Evans› There are some pretty disgusting scavangers in realworld settingas, I should think, but I'm not sure that they're all salt/freshwater adaptible.
30/04/2008 05:54:25 ‹Charles Evans› Reefclaws are the giant crayfish?
30/04/2008 05:54:34 ‹Charles Evans› (The intelligent!) ones.
30/04/2008 05:54:42 ‹Crimson Jester› well Otyughs are after all...uggg
30/04/2008 05:54:44 ‹James Jacobs› Reefclaws are half eel, half lobster aberrations.
30/04/2008 05:55:05 ‹James Jacobs› And otyughs aren't aquatic, so they don't really care about water. They'll drown in either just as well.
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30/04/2008 05:56:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Does the Eye of Abendego move,back and forth along the bay or is it stationary?
30/04/2008 05:57:27 ‹Samwise› this chat stuff does not like me
30/04/2008 05:57:45 ‹James Jacobs› The Eye of Abendego is stationary.
30/04/2008 05:58:04 ‹Writing Lilith› Samwise: Using IE or Firefox? It works better in Firefox.
30/04/2008 05:58:16 ‹Crimson Jester› does the size change from time to time based on local weather patterns?
30/04/2008 05:58:42 ‹Samwise› feh on firefox!
30/04/2008 05:58:44 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... the Eye is pretty solid. It doesn't change much at all. It pretty much IS the local weather pattern.
30/04/2008 05:59:13 ‹James Jacobs› Well! Tis getting late. Any last minute questions?
30/04/2008 05:59:33 ‹Absinth› As always: Seen a good movie lately?
30/04/2008 05:59:57 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Any questions for us?
30/04/2008 06:00:02 ‹James Jacobs› Alas... no. Rogue didn't open regionally last Friday; I'm hoping it'll expand to Seattle this Friday.
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30/04/2008 06:00:27 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; no questions I can think of off the top of my head...
30/04/2008 06:00:41 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Did you enjoy the cookies? :P
30/04/2008 06:00:44 ‹Absinth› How far are you behind your A Movie Each Week schedule? :)
30/04/2008 06:00:53 ‹Writing Lilith› And any further cookie requests?
30/04/2008 06:01:14 ‹James Jacobs› OMG. Let me see... (And: we're good on cookies for a bit, and they were SUPER AWESOME)
30/04/2008 06:01:29 * OroboroSteve quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 06:01:36 ‹James Jacobs› How many weeks has 2008 had so far?
30/04/2008 06:01:51 * Writing Lilith does not know...about 16 or so?
30/04/2008 06:02:01 * Absinth searches calendar...
30/04/2008 06:02:11 * Charles Evansd joins Main
30/04/2008 06:02:11 ‹Saracenus› Night James
30/04/2008 06:02:17 ‹Absinth› No, more than twenty...
30/04/2008 06:02:23 * Charles Evansd changes his/her nickname to Charles Evans
30/04/2008 06:02:27 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jame.
30/04/2008 06:02:31 ‹Absinth› No, about twenty?
30/04/2008 06:02:35 ‹Absinth› ...
30/04/2008 06:02:52 ‹James Jacobs› We're in week #18.
30/04/2008 06:02:52 ‹Absinth› More coffee... And stop asking questions like this! :D
30/04/2008 06:02:58 ‹James Jacobs› Which means I'm 10 movies behind. Ugh.
30/04/2008 06:03:02 ‹Charles Evans› It might be useful to have the Curse of the Crimson throne in #12, since in the endgame some PCs might want to ascend to the throne, a rulers of Korvosa.
30/04/2008 06:03:25 * Saracenus quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 06:03:33 ‹Writing Lilith› I wouldn't touch that throne with the standard issue 10-ft pole.
30/04/2008 06:03:44 ‹James Jacobs› PCs ascending to rule Korvosa woudl be its own adventure path. The city's got a pretty complex method of determining rulers... it's not just a "Keep what you Kill" society.
30/04/2008 06:03:45 ‹Charles Evans› You will get questions from DMs, if you do not give any information at all.
30/04/2008 06:04:13 ‹James Jacobs› We'll talk about it a little though, as part of the standard: "Where to go from here" section.
30/04/2008 06:04:21 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh. 10 movies behind.
30/04/2008 06:04:31 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: The Guide to Korvosa is pretty particular about ascendancy rulings n' whatnot.
30/04/2008 06:04:34 ‹James Jacobs› I'm hoping it won't come to me having to see "Prom Night"...
30/04/2008 06:04:56 * Daigle lgances around.
30/04/2008 06:05:02 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm out! I'll seeya all next time!
30/04/2008 06:05:06 ‹Daigle› sure...that too.
30/04/2008 06:05:14 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: The PCs will have made themselves the heroes of Korvosa by th end of the path, if succsseful though.
30/04/2008 06:05:15 ‹Daigle› Goodnight James!
30/04/2008 06:05:18 ‹mortellan› nite JJ
30/04/2008 06:05:25 ‹Wyvern› See ya James
30/04/2008 06:05:36 * Daigle rips of the bandage and types normally.
30/04/2008 06:05:38 ‹Charles Evans› In some games, they may be members of certain nbole families, anyway.
30/04/2008 06:05:43 * Absinth quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 06:06:03 ‹Pygon› bye James, thanks!
30/04/2008 06:06:03 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs: Dear god no. No "Prom Night." That would be ill.
30/04/2008 06:06:06 ‹James Jacobs› I'm BACK!
30/04/2008 06:06:20 * Writing Lilith gasps in shock! :ohnoes:
30/04/2008 06:06:25 ‹James Jacobs› Looks like Pathfinder got an Origins nomination!
30/04/2008 06:06:30 ‹Writing Lilith› YES!!!!
30/04/2008 06:06:30 * Daigle is terribly confused.
30/04/2008 06:06:33 ‹Writing Lilith› :headbang:
30/04/2008 06:06:34 ‹Charles Evans› :?:
30/04/2008 06:06:37 ‹Daigle› Awesomeness!
30/04/2008 06:06:37 ‹Pygon› =D<
30/04/2008 06:06:37 ‹Writing Lilith› Go you!
30/04/2008 06:06:42 ‹Charles Evans› Is this very good?
30/04/2008 06:06:45 ‹Daigle› Werd!
30/04/2008 06:06:56 ‹Charles Evans› Does that mean you go on television and have to give an acceptance speech?
30/04/2008 06:07:16 ‹James Jacobs› HA! no.
30/04/2008 06:07:22 ‹Writing Lilith› Charles Evans: It's an industry-specific award. It's definitely a good thing to be nominated, and even better to win. :P
30/04/2008 06:07:44 * Absinth joins Main
30/04/2008 06:07:47 ‹James Jacobs› Flip Mat Tavern got nominated too.
30/04/2008 06:07:51 ‹Charles Evans› I assumed it was the gaming equivalent of an oscar.
30/04/2008 06:07:57 ‹Wyvern› I'm out... falling asleep here... see you guys tomorrow.
30/04/2008 06:08:04 ‹Charles Evans› JJ best new product?
30/04/2008 06:08:14 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Wyvern!
30/04/2008 06:08:31 ‹Charles Evans› (I'm wondering what category the Pathfidner nomination was for?)
30/04/2008 06:08:35 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder got nominated for "Best Roleplaying Game Supplement"
30/04/2008 06:08:43 ‹Charles Evans› :shock:
30/04/2008 06:08:48 ‹Absinth› And deserves the award...
30/04/2008 06:08:58 ‹Charles Evans› It must have been those goblin songs....
30/04/2008 06:09:17 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 06:09:22 ‹Charles Evans› Howe many other RPG supplements would go to that detail?
30/04/2008 06:09:46 * Charles Evans tries to remember who wrote Pathfinder #1......:D
30/04/2008 06:10:07 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs! :woot:
30/04/2008 06:10:08 ‹James Jacobs› Some hack, no doubt.
30/04/2008 06:10:21 ‹James Jacobs› OK! That's all. I'm out again!
30/04/2008 06:10:32 ‹Absinth› Bye James and thanks!
30/04/2008 06:10:41 ‹Daigle› Dream dreadfully delightful dreams James!
30/04/2008 06:10:41 ‹Charles Evans› Congratulations....:D
30/04/2008 06:10:46 ‹Charles Evans› Congratulations....:D
30/04/2008 06:10:48 ‹Writing Lilith› Rock on James!
30/04/2008 06:11:03 ‹Charles Evans› Hope the vote goes well. ROtR was great!
30/04/2008 06:11:34 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
30/04/2008 06:11:56 ‹Charles Evans› You deserve to get to put little 'award winning' stickers on the reprints of it.
03:00:41 ‹Daigle› well, ya got me. *shrugs*
07/05/2008 03:00:43 ‹Russ› I'd also ditch elemental and lump it into outsider.
07/05/2008 03:00:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mr Baron
07/05/2008 03:00:56 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It was. It was a little uncomfortablly flattering. It was really cool. He shoulda used more art from Pathfinder though! :)
07/05/2008 03:01:06 ‹Daigle› I'd ditch them all and only have me and not me.
07/05/2008 03:01:07 ‹cappadocius› Well, Pathfinder Fey, as I said, would also need to become Outsiders, Russ.
07/05/2008 03:01:11 ‹Mothman› Monstrous humanoids are similar to humanoids, but with monstrous or animalistic features. They often have magical abilities as well. (from the srd)
07/05/2008 03:01:25 ‹Mothman› so medusa as monstrous humanoid? check.
07/05/2008 03:01:30 ‹Crimson Jester› Daigle thats an interesting approach but I dont think it would work
07/05/2008 03:01:33 ‹Charles Evans› JJ: I noticed some gamemastery module artwork mixed in.
07/05/2008 03:01:37 ‹Russ› cappa> Being from another plane doesn't make you an outsider, we've been through that here already
07/05/2008 03:01:39 ‹Charles Evans› :)
07/05/2008 03:01:40 ‹James Jacobs› In the end... a PF Monster book will probably retain all the monster types though.
07/05/2008 03:01:45 ‹Russ› Being from another plane makes you extraplanar.
07/05/2008 03:01:47 ‹Hill Giant› Merfolk have fins instead of legs, but nothing inherently magical
07/05/2008 03:01:54 ‹Daigle› CJ...it'd work for me!
07/05/2008 03:01:57 ‹Russ› There are plenty of extraplanar non-outsider, non-elementals in the game
07/05/2008 03:02:03 ‹cappadocius› "magical abilities" is not a necessary condition for monstrous humanoid!
07/05/2008 03:02:03 ‹Crimson Jester› :)
07/05/2008 03:02:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah... it was MOSTLY gamemastery module art. I wanted more Pathfinder art because I'm a crybaby! :)
07/05/2008 03:02:31 ‹Hill Giant› cappadocius, merfolk aren't monstrous, they're just differently abled!
07/05/2008 03:02:44 * Daigle laughs
07/05/2008 03:02:46 ‹cappadocius› Monstrous Humanoids *do* have animalistic features. They *often* have magical abilities.
07/05/2008 03:02:53 ‹cappadocius› How is that *not* a Merfolk?
07/05/2008 03:02:58 ‹Mothman› A humanoid usually has two arms, two legs, and one head, or a humanlike torso, arms, and a head. Humanoids have few or no supernatural or extraordinary abilities, but most can speak and usually have well-developed societies. They usually are Small or Medium. (from the srd, emphasis mine)
07/05/2008 03:03:04 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: *VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION* Will the Pathfinder DMG have the cost of a house/business in Sandpoint in it? Players are so taken with the place, they keep wanting t invest in their own homes there for their characters.
07/05/2008 03:03:11 ‹Daigle› Sometimes they even look like Darryl Hannah
07/05/2008 03:03:31 ‹Charles Evans› There's another thread started recently about buying the Rusty place.
07/05/2008 03:03:45 ‹Russ› I don't see any reason to make something non-humanoid just because of extra limbs.
07/05/2008 03:03:46 ‹Charles Evans› There's previous been one about buying the Pixie place.
07/05/2008 03:03:50 ‹psymin› So did I miss it? Am I too late?
07/05/2008 03:03:52 ‹Charles Evans› There's previous been one about buying the Pixie place.
07/05/2008 03:03:56 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> There's no "Pathfinder DMG." The rules are all gonna be in one book (monsters excluded). That book is going to be relatively world neutral. I suspect that the deities are gonna be the only Golarion flavor in there. THEREFORE: No Sandpoint stuff.
07/05/2008 03:04:02 ‹Daigle› psymin, you are right on time
07/05/2008 03:04:03 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Russ, same here russ
07/05/2008 03:04:06 ‹Mr Baron› hello!
07/05/2008 03:04:11 ‹Crimson Jester› A recent study found the average American walks about 900 miles a year.
07/05/2008 03:04:21 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: House/business prices generaly then?
07/05/2008 03:04:38 ‹Charles Evans› There are players out there who want homes for their characters.
07/05/2008 03:04:41 ‹Crimson Jester› Another study found Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year .
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07/05/2008 03:04:58 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'd have no idea off the top of my head. The "Guide to Korvosa" might be a good place to look at a start; I'd go off of the Midland prices, probably...
07/05/2008 03:04:59 * Daigle sees where this is going.
07/05/2008 03:05:03 * cappadocius grumbles and debates going through the SRD and "fixing" the types.
07/05/2008 03:05:10 ‹Daigle› howdy yoda8myhead
07/05/2008 03:05:13 ‹yoda8myhead› yo yo yo
07/05/2008 03:05:15 ‹Crimson Jester› That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon.
07/05/2008 03:05:15 ‹Hill Giant› Now this merfolk is a monstrous humanoid: http://ww2.wizards.com/gathere...id=4722
07/05/2008 03:05:21 ‹Pygon› yo yoda
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07/05/2008 03:05:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Lilith
07/05/2008 03:05:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello Lilith
07/05/2008 03:05:42 ‹Pygon› hi Lilith
07/05/2008 03:05:43 ‹Charles Evans› :-? Midland prices????
07/05/2008 03:05:47 ‹James Jacobs› LILITH! :glomp:
07/05/2008 03:05:51 * Crimson Jester :glomp: Lilith
07/05/2008 03:05:52 * Lilith slides into the room in her Wonder Woman underoos.
07/05/2008 03:05:53 ‹Mr Baron› hey Lilith
07/05/2008 03:05:54 ‹cappadocius› Midland is a neighborhood of Korvosa!
07/05/2008 03:06:00 ‹Lilith› JAMES JACOBS! :glomp:
07/05/2008 03:06:04 ‹cappadocius› Lilith: Athachs! Why are they Aberrations?
07/05/2008 03:06:09 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Lilith.... um. :shock:
07/05/2008 03:06:26 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Each district in Korvosa has a list of how much it costs to live there or buy houses. Midland's the most "middle class" district.
07/05/2008 03:06:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Charles Evans, theres some good guild lines in the sharn book
07/05/2008 03:06:31 ‹Crimson Jester› woo hoo Underoos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07/05/2008 03:06:37 ‹Mothman› Hi Lilith
07/05/2008 03:06:39 ‹Charles Evans› Guide to Kovosa as prices in for residence?
03:06:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yes
07/05/2008 03:06:48 ‹Crimson Jester› yes
07/05/2008 03:06:49 ‹Mr Baron› So James what new things can you share with us?
07/05/2008 03:06:52 ‹Crimson Jester› read that
07/05/2008 03:06:53 ‹James Jacobs› To own or rent.
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07/05/2008 03:07:05 ‹Russ› I would really simplify the types if were up to me. Humanoids, beasts, outsiders, undead, oozes, aberrations, constructs not sure I'd keep many of the other types.
07/05/2008 03:07:11 ‹cappadocius› Will "Great Old One" be a new type in the PFRPGMM?
07/05/2008 03:07:13 ‹Mr Baron› secret meetings, AP4, etc...
07/05/2008 03:07:18 ‹Charles Evans› Isn't Korvosa a city where property prices may be expected to be lower, owing to te population being less than what it was at its peak?
07/05/2008 03:07:24 ‹James Jacobs› I can, I suppose, reveal the names of the three realms of the Darklands. The upper realm = Nar-Voth. The middle realm = Sekamina. The lower realm = Orv.
07/05/2008 03:07:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sharn has prices for both rent and buying a place
07/05/2008 03:07:33 ‹Charles Evans› I seem to recall seeing something somewhere about abandoned houses.
07/05/2008 03:07:34 ‹Pygon› yes, secret meetings, can you spill anything about any of Erik's stuff yet? :)
07/05/2008 03:07:42 * Lilith watches James Jacobs in rapt attention.
07/05/2008 03:07:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy lojakz and Joey!
07/05/2008 03:07:56 ‹Eyebite› James: a Desert AP has been mentioned, any idea when, if ever, such a thing might take place? (i.e. AP #7, 8, etc. Basically, what's its priority?)
07/05/2008 03:08:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay darklands info
07/05/2008 03:08:07 ‹lojakz› HI EVERYBODY!
07/05/2008 03:08:07 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Perhaps. If you're getting THAT into the fluctuation of house pricing... you're going into more detail than I'm comfortable laying down the law in an informal chat room, though. ;)
07/05/2008 03:08:10 ‹Crimson Jester› Nar-Voth?
07/05/2008 03:08:13 ‹cappadocius› Charles Evans: Nevertheless, an abandoned house in the Capital of the Continent is going to be about the same price as a mansion in a fishing village on the rump end of the world!
07/05/2008 03:08:28 ‹Charles Evans› :-?
07/05/2008 03:08:30 ‹Pygon› hi lojakz
07/05/2008 03:08:34 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I'm not Erik. I can't spill his secrets without arousing the wrath of his curse!
07/05/2008 03:08:35 ‹lojakz› how's it going tonight?
07/05/2008 03:08:39 ‹Mothman› James, I thought you'd like to know, I was sick on the weekend, and my fevered nightmares featured Queen Ileosa and goblins
07/05/2008 03:08:52 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> At this point, a desert-themed Adventure Path could happen as soon as AP5.
07/05/2008 03:08:53 ‹Mothman› I think Im a Paizo addict
07/05/2008 03:08:55 ‹The Last Rogue› Dude, my dreams feature Ileosa
07/05/2008 03:08:56 * Charles Evans mutters something nasty about Guide to Korvosa being sold out.....
07/05/2008 03:09:02 ‹The Last Rogue› ;)
07/05/2008 03:09:10 ‹Pygon› between Erik's curse and Jason's vengeance, I can see why you're careful
07/05/2008 03:09:13 ‹Russ› cE> wow
07/05/2008 03:09:14 ‹Eyebite› Sweet!
07/05/2008 03:09:17 ‹Lilith› Mothman: :lol: That's a sign.
07/05/2008 03:09:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› owww desart themed AP
07/05/2008 03:09:23 ‹Charles Evans› No dates known yet for reorder arrivals.
07/05/2008 03:09:27 ‹Mothman› Rogue: Yeah, Im working on a sequel now that Im feeling better
07/05/2008 03:09:32 ‹yoda8myhead› I'm most certainly a paizo addict, if not in my dreams, then at least in the amount of time at work I spend on the boards
07/05/2008 03:09:33 ‹The Last Rogue› Pygon, seriously. Paizo employees seem very wrathy.
07/05/2008 03:09:36 ‹Charles Evans› Meh. :)
07/05/2008 03:09:40 ‹The Last Rogue› lol
07/05/2008 03:09:42 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Excellent! Good to hear Ileosa and the goblins are keeping busy!
07/05/2008 03:09:44 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL I didnt realise I bought Guide to Korvoza till I saw it on my bookshelf lastweekend
07/05/2008 03:09:47 ‹cappadocius› Actually... how far in advance are the APs planned? I mean, do we know what AP 8 is about, even if you don't know anything else about it?
07/05/2008 03:10:24 * Absinth joins Main
07/05/2008 03:10:27 ‹lojakz› Jame Jacobs> Just thought you should know... the Raksashas make me happy.... they make me very very happy.
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07/05/2008 03:10:42 ‹yoda8myhead› JJ> when will we get info on the secret meeting of two weeks ago?
07/05/2008 03:10:45 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Absinth.
07/05/2008 03:10:46 ‹Mothman› James: And I hadn't even started reading about the plague yet! Now that would make for scary fever-dreams...
07/05/2008 03:10:57 ‹James Jacobs› In a PERFECT WORLD... we'd be about a year ahead of schedule on an Adventure Path. Lately, with all that's been going on in Paizo... we're closer to 6 to 7 months out on them, which is WAY too short a head start for my comfort level.
07/05/2008 03:10:59 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 03:11:14 ‹cappadocius› So you *don't* know what AP 5 is about?
07/05/2008 03:11:17 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
07/05/2008 03:11:21 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 03:11:25 ‹Absinth› Good Morning, Paizonians!
07/05/2008 03:11:26 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> Secret meeting info may not be revealed till Gen Con. Not sure.
07/05/2008 03:11:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well James yall have been busy busy folks
07/05/2008 03:11:38 ‹Crimson Jester› You um need to hire more um hirelings ;-)
07/05/2008 03:11:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :cry:
07/05/2008 03:11:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Agh! This is terrible news!
07/05/2008 03:11:47 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> I barely know what AP 4 is about.
07/05/2008 03:11:48 * cappadocius is available as a freelance hireling.
07/05/2008 03:11:54 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello absinth
07/05/2008 03:11:54 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How quickly are you making u time on where you *want* to be?
07/05/2008 03:12:17 ‹James Jacobs› I have ideas for about 6 adventrue paths. Not sure what order they'll happen in, and most of them have elements that make them not the best choice to debut a Brand New RPG.
07/05/2008 03:12:18 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, when do you think you will get to that perfect world?
07/05/2008 03:12:24 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: Because Gencon may not haoppen or because it is so long to wait if it does?:)
07/05/2008 03:12:46 ‹Mr Baron› when do you expect to be a year ahead?
07/05/2008 03:12:49 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that getting to that perfect world won't happen until June. Which is closer than it's ever been before!
07/05/2008 03:12:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles> I won't be able to reveal that until Origins.
07/05/2008 03:13:02 ‹Charles Evans› :)
07/05/2008 03:13:17 ‹Crimson Jester› What would be a good element that would make a good choice to begin a new rpg?
07/05/2008 03:13:17 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> Honestly... the secret meeting is mostly blown out of proportion, in fact. Jason tends to do that.
07/05/2008 03:13:19 ‹Wyvern› James!
07/05/2008 03:13:27 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern!
07/05/2008 03:13:49 ‹Russ› I think half the room wants to freelance :)
07/05/2008 03:13:59 ‹James Jacobs› MrBaron> I expect to be back to "a year ahead" PROBABLY for AP 6.
07/05/2008 03:14:11 ‹Eyebite› I think half the room *does* freelance. lol
07/05/2008 03:14:12 * cappadocius really just wants a crack at monsters and ecologies.
07/05/2008 03:14:18 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: They don't even tell you that they've been having secret meetings for important things, ike Alpha... the first thing you know (except a few educated guesses) Is the site's down and there's an image of goblins on the screen.
07/05/2008 03:14:20 * Daigle laughs
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07/05/2008 03:14:27 ‹Lilith› Eyebite: :lol:
07/05/2008 03:14:38 ‹cappadocius› I don't do freelance because I don't write to freelance quality for free, and nobody will pay me until I produce something of freelance quality.
07/05/2008 03:14:43 ‹cappadocius› it's a conundrum.
07/05/2008 03:14:46 ‹Wyvern› I just came back, so I'm gonna ask my question even if it was asked before: If the GSL opens a door for Paizo 4e adventures would you do it?
07/05/2008 03:14:52 ‹yoda8myhead› JJ> I figured as much, but my tinfoil hat is so comfortable
07/05/2008 03:14:52 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Non-unusual campaings. Rise of the Runelords is a pretty generic D&D style game, and a good way to start things out. So was Age of Worms. Savage Tide is too weird to be a "debut" for anything, and so is Second Darkness.
07/05/2008 03:15:20 * Skeld joins Main
07/05/2008 03:15:24 ‹James Jacobs› It's actually a little frustrating. I have some crazy AP ideas... but each time we seem to be finally settling down into a rhythym something happens, be it a magazine license loss or a game edition change or whatever.
07/05/2008 03:15:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Skeld
07/05/2008 03:15:33 ‹Eyebite› Does this mean AP4 will be more "traditional" James?
07/05/2008 03:15:44 ‹Mr Baron› Rise of the Runelords was an excellent start
07/05/2008 03:16:04 ‹Charles Evans› :)
07/05/2008 03:16:11 ‹yoda8myhead› any teasers on unannounced but upcoming modules?
07/05/2008 03:16:19 ‹Russ› Crimson Throne is the first one I've liked more than AoW
07/05/2008 03:16:30 ‹Skeld› howdy
07/05/2008 03:16:32 ‹Mr Baron› is an adventure path on the red planet still on the drawing board?
07/05/2008 03:16:35 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> At this point? I think the best way to go ahead re: 4th edition is to let Necromancer Games have at it.
07/05/2008 03:16:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello skeld
07/05/2008 03:17:07 ‹yoda8myhead› jj> how closely is Paizo planning to work w/ Necromancer? There's been talk of reprinting TOH and so forth
07/05/2008 03:17:07 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> AP4 will be somewhat traditional, yes. I think. I dunno. Ask me again in June.
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07/05/2008 03:17:32 ‹Mr Baron› any thought about doing a horror AP? I noticed that PF2 sold out
07/05/2008 03:17:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› James if ya do something athas like on the red plante i shall love you forever :D
07/05/2008 03:17:58 ‹Mr Baron› BTW, I think PF2 is my favorite so far
07/05/2008 03:17:59 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> No teasers yet on upcoming modules. As for Necromancer stuff... we're still in the process of working all that out. Until we see the rules and the GSL... we can't really make plans.
07/05/2008 03:18:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› kinda creepy huh
07/05/2008 03:18:05 ‹Charles Evans› Fortuitous timing with hallowe'en on the Pathfinder #2 sell-out?
07/05/2008 03:18:33 ‹Russ› the GLS
07/05/2008 03:18:34 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Horror will ALWAYS be part fo Pathfinder. It's easilly the most popular genre of adventrue, as far as I can tell based on my years working on Dungeon and now on Pathfinder.
07/05/2008 03:18:37 ‹yoda8myhead› you won't want to go w/ 4e. Believe me *tries hard not to get self in legal trouble*
07/05/2008 03:18:50 ‹Russ› the GSL is nearly late enough to make October a problem :/
07/05/2008 03:19:00 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah... especailly since PF2 was about a month and a week late.
07/05/2008 03:19:04 ‹yoda8myhead› horror works best because fear is the one emotion that a character and player can both experience equally
07/05/2008 03:19:13 ‹Crimson Jester› would you consider using the Game mastery Modules as the starting point for the Pathfinder Rpg to give you more of an option for a "standard" game and then make some follow up modules then maybe have an adventure path
07/05/2008 03:19:13 ‹Russ› A big part of my NDA lifts in a few weeks.
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07/05/2008 03:19:40 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda Some Players do not like it tough.
07/05/2008 03:19:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Russ, will will pester you then
07/05/2008 03:19:44 ‹Lilith› Russ: :woot: June 6th is the day I take it?
07/05/2008 03:19:52 ‹yoda8myhead› russ> do you have a different one than playtesters?
07/05/2008 03:19:56 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda; Maybe only a very small per centage.
07/05/2008 03:20:02 ‹James Jacobs› Pathinder and Golarion will not be going 4th edition. That's not an option. If we DO decide to do a line of 4th edition stuff... it'll be for either a brand new setting, or more likely, it won't assume a setting at all.
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07/05/2008 03:20:18 ‹Russ› yoda> Once the right product ships, a big part of it is gone
07/05/2008 03:20:32 ‹Russ› Lilith> Maybe sooner :P
07/05/2008 03:20:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ah the preview adventure huh
07/05/2008 03:20:57 * Charles Evans discovers he cannot see Russ.
07/05/2008 03:20:59 ‹Wyvern› Yeah James, I think that was a given ;) That's why I didn't ask about Pathfinder, just Paizo adventures in general.
07/05/2008 03:21:02 ‹Mr Baron› Here is a question for you...how may years do you see Pathfinder going? Do you think it will make it to 10 years?
07/05/2008 03:21:05 ‹yoda8myhead› JJ> is there a name yet for the mini adventure in PF13?
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07/05/2008 03:21:09 * Charles Evans tries reloading again...
07/05/2008 03:21:33 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder will keep going as long as people keep buying it. I'd LOVE to see it go 10, 20, 50, or more years.
07/05/2008 03:21:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› charles russ has a high stealth roll
07/05/2008 03:22:01 ‹lojakz› 50 more years would be awesome!
07/05/2008 03:22:15 ‹Mr Baron› that would be impressive
07/05/2008 03:22:22 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs: Do you see it using the same system after all those years?
07/05/2008 03:22:27 ‹James Jacobs› It's big enoguh to last that long. We'll be getting 18 months and 3 campaigns out of ONE region. The gazetter covers about 45 regions, and that's without going to other continents, planets, or planes. We've got a LOT of room to keep going.
07/05/2008 03:22:32 ‹yoda8myhead› I'll keep buying it, even if it puts me in the poorhouse
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07/05/2008 03:22:36 * Lilith can't wait to see the Sidetrek adventures! :woot:
07/05/2008 03:22:45 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> It will go through edition chagnes if it lasts that long. I guarentee.
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07/05/2008 03:22:49 ‹Crimson Jester› any classic modules you would like to turn into the pathfinder stting that you have not done or touched upon yet?
07/05/2008 03:22:54 ‹Daigle› Indeed Lilz
07/05/2008 03:23:00 ‹cappadocius› Does Paizo have a slush pile, or did that disappear along with the magazine licenses?
07/05/2008 03:23:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy Deussu
07/05/2008 03:23:06 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Yes.
07/05/2008 03:23:08 ‹Mothman› Yeeep. In 50 years I should be finished running SC, AoW, ST, RotRL and be just about ready to start CotCT....
07/05/2008 03:23:11 ‹Mr Baron› Do you see a PF RPG version2?
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07/05/2008 03:23:37 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: We're nearly upto 30 chatters...
07/05/2008 03:23:43 ‹Deussu› Hello there. Early morningsa re pain.
07/05/2008 03:23:44 ‹Lilith› Deussu: :woot: :glomp:
07/05/2008 03:23:48 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: Cool! :D
07/05/2008 03:23:49 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes? which ones James?
07/05/2008 03:23:56 ‹Charles Evans› :neutral:
07/05/2008 03:23:57 ‹yoda8myhead› yet only 1 paizo staffer. JJ overload!!!
07/05/2008 03:23:58 ‹Wyvern› James, start preparing yourself for the cries of betrayal when you change editions ;)
07/05/2008 03:24:10 ‹Russ› I would hope that you dedicate a lot of resources to quality on-line errat
07/05/2008 03:24:14 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> We don't have a slush pile. We sent that whole thing to Wizards of the Coast when the license ended. Our business model has changed DRASTICALLY (and for the BETTER) with the switch from magazines to books... but it HAS made it more difficult for new writers to break into the field. The grim truth is... we don't have time to handle a slush pile anymore.
07/05/2008 03:24:16 ‹James Jacobs› That said...
07/05/2008 03:24:26 ‹James Jacobs› We WILL be doing open calls now and then. Keep an eye on paizo.com for them!
07/05/2008 03:24:42 ‹cappadocius› okay!
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07/05/2008 03:24:48 ‹Charles Evans› There is Mr. Logue with his competitions.....
07/05/2008 03:24:57 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> A version 2.0 of the Pathfinder RPG? I hope so, since that would mean the first one was successful enough to keep us in business for a decade or whatever!
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07/05/2008 03:25:01 ‹Mr Baron› are you guys going to be hiring additional people?
07/05/2008 03:25:22 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> My favorite adventures, of course! Expedition to the Barrier Peaks is the wackiest one, naturally.
07/05/2008 03:25:26 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Open calls are not the same as Wolfgang's Open Design projects, are they?
07/05/2008 03:25:44 ‹Daigle› Charles...no.
07/05/2008 03:25:50 ‹Mr Baron› Are you guys going to be adding staff?
07/05/2008 03:25:58 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> Yeah... but we can stem some of those cries of betrayal by listening to customers and using their reactions and input to judge when the edition time is right.
07/05/2008 03:26:05 ‹Daigle› Totally different concepts altogether.
07/05/2008 03:26:21 ‹Deussu› I forget, was James connected to the Pathfinder Society, or was that someone else? Too mane J-names.
07/05/2008 03:26:28 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: No. Different concepts.
07/05/2008 03:26:34 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> I hope we'll be adding staff, yes. We've got a job opening we're interviewing right now for a copy editor, in fact.
07/05/2008 03:26:38 ‹psymin› James Jacobs: sorry to interject. How can I convince Paizo to send a rep to MisCon, a convention in MIssoula later this month?
07/05/2008 03:26:39 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle: Wolfgang takes money in, for his Open Design, yes?
07/05/2008 03:26:44 ‹Russ› James> AND by keeping some compatibility between editions, PLEASE
07/05/2008 03:26:47 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Open calls are not the same as Open Design, no.
07/05/2008 03:26:52 ‹Lilith› Deussu: Josh Frost for Pathfinder Society. James Jacobs => Editor in Chief
07/05/2008 03:26:54 ‹yoda8myhead› pysmin> no, that's logue
07/05/2008 03:26:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› James as many I have faith that when its time for pathfinder 2e paizo will junde it and handle it with care as they do now
03:27:12 ‹Deussu› Lilith: Aye. So it was.
07/05/2008 03:27:30 ‹Daigle› Charles: Yes Open Design is funded by patrons who steer the design of an adventure.
07/05/2008 03:27:38 ‹James Jacobs› Open calls are basically: "We want to publish an adventure about a secret cabal of illusionists led by a succubus! Send in your adventure proposals between May 1st and May 14th. We'll pick one to print!"
07/05/2008 03:27:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Pathfinder Society is another thing I can't wait to get more info on
07/05/2008 03:28:07 ‹yoda8myhead› JJ> My adventure will be in your mailbox tomorrow!
07/05/2008 03:28:21 ‹cappadocius› I don't want to write an adventure! I just like world building and monsters!
07/05/2008 03:28:24 * cappadocius sniffles.
07/05/2008 03:28:28 ‹Deussu› Yah, I'm intrigued about Pathfinder Society.
07/05/2008 03:28:32 ‹Mr Baron› I better start writting
07/05/2008 03:28:40 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> You'd need to talk to Josh Frost about convention stuff. That's not my scene.
07/05/2008 03:28:44 ‹Mr Baron› the 14th is like a week away ;)
07/05/2008 03:28:54 ‹Lilith› psymin: josh.frost@paizo.com
07/05/2008 03:29:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Pathfinder Society. intrest me as well
07/05/2008 03:29:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs! Reveal us the shiny good goods about Pathfinder Society! Or shall we do a summoning to get the right person?
07/05/2008 03:29:48 ‹yoda8myhead› lilith> are you still posting transcripts of these on the boards?
07/05/2008 03:29:50 ‹Deussu› We need a summoning circle?
07/05/2008 03:30:13 ‹Mr Baron› when do you think that you will be ready to formally announce AP4 on the web page?
07/05/2008 03:30:13 ‹Charles Evans› No, to get hold of logue we just need a bunch of ogrekin....
07/05/2008 03:30:14 ‹James Jacobs› I'll have a certain level of veto/overwatch power on the Pathfinder Society adventures, but the actual creation and running and all that will more be Nick Logue and Josh Frost.
07/05/2008 03:30:19 ‹Mothman› Was that an open call just there JAmes? ;-)
07/05/2008 03:30:20 ‹yoda8myhead› >deussu> I have one on hand at all times, just for the very purpose of summonign the diabolical mind of Logue
07/05/2008 03:30:32 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: Yes, but the uncleaned up versions. I don't have the time to clean them up as of late.
07/05/2008 03:30:34 ‹yoda8myhead› Sadly, he is rarely at home and I get the machine
07/05/2008 03:31:05 ‹yoda8myhead› lilith> as long as they're there for citations on the wiki ;-)
07/05/2008 03:31:15 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I barely know anythign about the Pathfinder Society. It's a different department. All I really do is look over the adventure plots and say "Yes no yes yes no no yes."
07/05/2008 03:31:34 ‹Absinth› James, how are the sales for Classic Monsters Revisited? Are they good enough to justify a second volume?
07/05/2008 03:31:39 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: Check the "#pathfinder" thread on the boards. That's where I post them.
07/05/2008 03:31:47 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Since we just officially anounced Second Darkness this week... my guess is AP 4's anouncement is about 6 months away.
07/05/2008 03:31:51 ‹yoda8myhead› lilith> will do!
07/05/2008 03:32:07 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: It's good someone does that. In case you have knowledge about Living Greyhawk, you might know how to acquire bad adventures, heh.
07/05/2008 03:32:08 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. I should have qualified that. DEGENERATE ogrekin, just in case there are any other types... :)
07/05/2008 03:32:16 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> I'm sure this isn't your dept either, but my buddy ended up owning the code for the GhostOrb client. Think Paizo has any interest in owning it?
07/05/2008 03:32:25 ‹Mr Baron› yes, but you have been teasing second darkness for about 3-4 months
07/05/2008 03:32:42 ‹Crimson Jester› any teasing on AP 4?
07/05/2008 03:32:48 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I'm not sure. Haven't seen the numbers on Classic Monsters yet. But my gut tells me that, yes, it will have a sequel of some sort.
07/05/2008 03:32:49 ‹Crimson Jester› :plot:
07/05/2008 03:33:04 ‹yoda8myhead› W00t!
07/05/2008 03:33:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› :dance2:
07/05/2008 03:33:30 ‹Absinth› Can your gut be trusted, James? :)
07/05/2008 03:33:37 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> I hope to be able to maintain a level of compatibilty between the print Pathfinder stuff and the Pathfinder Society stuff, which is why I'll have the yes/no lever.
07/05/2008 03:33:49 * Lilith makes an offering of barbecued eel rolls to James Jacobs.
07/05/2008 03:33:46 ‹Crimson Jester› I am here early and must leave early as well good night all.
07/05/2008 03:33:54 ‹James Jacobs› My gut can be trusted 87% of the time, but there's only a 47% chance of that.
07/05/2008 03:33:55 ‹Lilith› Night CJ!
07/05/2008 03:33:58 ‹Absinth› Good night, CJ!
07/05/2008 03:34:07 ‹Mothman› Bye Jester
07/05/2008 03:34:10 ‹Joey Virtue› James is there ging to be an update on alpha 2 or will it just be rolled into alpha 3
07/05/2008 03:34:11 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight CJ
07/05/2008 03:34:12 ‹yoda8myhead› night night
07/05/2008 03:34:15 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Crimson
07/05/2008 03:34:24 ‹Deussu› y/n lever is good.
07/05/2008 03:34:34 ‹Mr Baron› nite CJ
07/05/2008 03:34:35 ‹Charles Evans› :( down one chatter.
07/05/2008 03:34:47 ‹psymin› (glad to see you were able to wake up early enough to make it Deussu)
07/05/2008 03:34:58 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> I'd shoot Erik Mona an email about that GhostOrb thing. He's the guy who makes those kind of decisions.
07/05/2008 03:34:59 * lojakz changes his/her nickname to lojakz afk
07/05/2008 03:35:01 ‹Deussu› Yeah well I have to wake up for work anyways :P
07/05/2008 03:35:21 ‹James Jacobs› Joey Virtue> I suspect that we'll just roll on into alpha 3.
07/05/2008 03:35:23 ‹Absinth› And what does your gut tell you about ther Oriental Adventures-like book for Golarion that Mike and Nick are raving about?
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07/05/2008 03:35:44 ‹Joey Virtue› is alpha going to be a huge documanet
07/05/2008 03:35:51 ‹Mr Baron› James, any chance that one of the necro authors write an PF?
07/05/2008 03:35:56 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth working
07/05/2008 03:35:57 ‹Joey Virtue› all three tied it to one
07/05/2008 03:35:59 ‹cappadocius› Hopefully Oriental Adventures comes after African Empires, India,and South America.
07/05/2008 03:36:02 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> My gut tells me that the adventure path I have in mind that involves going to Tian Xia and fighting ninjas and samurai and oni and all that REQUIRES that book to happen!
07/05/2008 03:36:10 ‹Mr Baron› Clark or Bill or one of the other guys?
07/05/2008 03:36:12 ‹yoda8myhead› joey> Erik said it should be out in a week or two (we heard that last time, though), so I'd imagine they'll focus in getting it out rather than editing two documents
07/05/2008 03:36:13 ‹cappadocius› but, sadly, I know D&D nerds, and we'll get friggin' ninjas before we get anything cool.
07/05/2008 03:36:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: ONI! :D
07/05/2008 03:36:25 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: We may be upto 30; I ssee 28 chatters, and suspect my IE may not be showing me at least one.
07/05/2008 03:36:37 ‹Joey Virtue› thats cool
07/05/2008 03:36:50 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: Cool (on the count). Is there a reason you keep telling me how many there are?
07/05/2008 03:36:49 ‹yoda8myhead› James> please make that AP5
07/05/2008 03:36:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah full house Lilith
07/05/2008 03:37:08 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Umm. Is there a record to be rboken, or not?
07/05/2008 03:37:13 ‹Lilith› seekerofshadowlight: :dance2:
07/05/2008 03:37:17 ‹Absinth› James, your AP idea sounds very exciting! Yes please, let's visit Tian Xia and do this book! :D
07/05/2008 03:37:17 ‹psymin› Joey> End of next week or so is what was posted in the forum
07/05/2008 03:37:18 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: Not really.
07/05/2008 03:37:23 ‹Daigle› Our record is over 50
07/05/2008 03:37:25 ‹Charles Evans› Mind you, Alpha day would be pretty hard to break.
07/05/2008 03:37:26 ‹Deussu› I still haven't played any Pathfinder adventures, nor have I even seen any of the chronicle books IRL. Yet.
07/05/2008 03:37:26 ‹Joey Virtue› I dont care when
07/05/2008 03:37:31 ‹Joey Virtue› i want to know size
07/05/2008 03:37:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and like most gamers were gonna make a mess lol
07/05/2008 03:37:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> There's a chance. Right now, I'm sticking with authors I've worked with before and know can deliver. We're adding Owen Stephens and JD Wiker to that list as of Second Darkness. We'll be adding more with AP4. Necromancer authors are certainly a possibility.
07/05/2008 03:37:44 ‹Joey Virtue› my wife is about to kill me with the printer
07/05/2008 03:38:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i'm showing 28 chatters
07/05/2008 03:38:15 ‹Skeld› night everyone
07/05/2008 03:38:22 ‹Lilith› night Skeld!
07/05/2008 03:38:24 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Skeld
07/05/2008 03:38:28 ‹Charles Evans› Joey: Buy the beta document from yur local games store. :)
07/05/2008 03:38:36 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Skeld.
07/05/2008 03:38:39 ‹Absinth› Night, skeld!
07/05/2008 03:38:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite skeld
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07/05/2008 03:38:52 ‹yoda8myhead› James> send more work to Brian Cortijo (I play with him, so feel the obligation to add that)
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07/05/2008 03:39:32 ‹Wyvern› Charles cna it be bought?
07/05/2008 03:39:42 ‹psymin› I just subscribed to Pathfinder Adventure Paths or something .. my acct says that last was #8 and next is #10 .. are my eyes deceiving me?
07/05/2008 03:39:53 ‹Absinth› James, are you the only one at Paizo that comes up with ideas for APs?
07/05/2008 03:39:55 ‹Moth working› James: Did JD Wiker write some adventures for Dark Matter (Alternity)?
07/05/2008 03:39:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Wyver> beta can be, in August, as a softcover. Alpha is pdf only
07/05/2008 03:40:05 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 03:40:19 ‹Charles Evans› :-?
07/05/2008 03:40:23 ‹psymin› something tells me it'll be a gencon release :)
07/05/2008 03:40:24 ‹yoda8myhead› pysmin> that happens. The sidecart is a fickle beast that Vic seems to be fighting with a lot
07/05/2008 03:40:24 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: Seeking for authors, eh? I know one who has been, well, very productive with making at least Living Greyhawk modules, good ones too. He has actually already given a sort of approval to give a helping hand if so wished, so to speak.
07/05/2008 03:40:37 ‹Wyvern› I did not know that. I was already looking for an online printer to do it for me.
07/05/2008 03:40:52 ‹Wyvern› I'll just buy it :)
07/05/2008 03:41:10 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I generally come up with the core plot for Adventure Paths. That plot is often inspired by stuff that Erik Mona, Wes Schneider, Mike McArtor, Jason Bulmahn, or James Sutter say. Certainly once I decide on the plot... the entire editorial department is involved in figuring out the basic details. I'm the one who gets to write out the outline for them though.
07/05/2008 03:41:10 ‹psymin› Wyvern> Preorder ;)
07/05/2008 03:41:15 ‹yoda8myhead› wyvern> while always an option, I imagine buying the book is cheaper than getting the free pdf printed and shipped to you
07/05/2008 03:41:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Wyvern, yeah man gonna have to buy a print beta
07/05/2008 03:41:22 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Yes; JD has done quite a lot with Dark Matter.
07/05/2008 03:41:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› never thought I would ever want to pay for a beta anything
07/05/2008 03:42:01 ‹Joey Virtue› Total pages sorrry guys got the book when i was trying to ask a total document or just alpha 3
07/05/2008 03:42:02 ‹yoda8myhead› wyvern> or a better printer
07/05/2008 03:42:03 ‹Mr Baron› when you send over an outline to an author, how long is the outline..how much doyou give them?
07/05/2008 03:42:11 * Charles Evans wonders if PF Betas will become collector's issues/valuable in years to come.
07/05/2008 03:42:23 ‹Absinth› James, what happened to Jeremy Walker, did he leave the company?
03:42:26 ‹psymin› JJ> Earlier someone mentioned PFRPG v2 .. if/when that happens, do you think it will be backwards compatible and OGL compliant?
07/05/2008 03:42:35 ‹James Jacobs› I'm always seeking authors. Pathfinder adventures, though, aren't for untested-by-me authors... that's what I hope the Pathfinder Modules, the set piece shorter adventures, and the Pathfinder Society adventures will start gathering.
07/05/2008 03:43:00 ‹Russ› I'm planning to write some for Pathfinder Society myself, once they get rolling. Stupid amount of LG experience :)
07/05/2008 03:43:00 ‹yoda8myhead› joey> I think they are just releasing Alpha 3 as its own release to be added to 2, as revising and doing layout takes a lot of their time and resources (iirc)
07/05/2008 03:43:13 ‹David Wickham› James Jacobs, will there be a psionic prpg book after next year?
07/05/2008 03:43:14 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yeah; Jeremy Walker's no longer at Paizo.
07/05/2008 03:43:17 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: Okay, so who should be contacted if one wishes to apply as an author?
07/05/2008 03:43:17 ‹Wyvern› Hehe psymin, I doubt they'll be an OGL in 10 years. Will be in 6e then probably.
07/05/2008 03:43:27 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: They will fix some things from '2' though.
07/05/2008 03:43:50 ‹psymin› Wyvern: GPL can't every die .. :P .. I think OGL can survive.
07/05/2008 03:43:51 ‹Deussu› Russ: Heh, I don't have writing experience myself but the triad sure has.
07/05/2008 03:43:58 ‹Lilith› Wyvern: OGL is irrevocable. It might not be as popular, but it's plausible it could still be around.
07/05/2008 03:44:03 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: If you want the pages in front of you for table playtest, the rpinting costs fro Alpha '3' could get harsh.
07/05/2008 03:44:09 ‹Joey Virtue› f++@ my printer is going to die and my wife is going to kill me
07/05/2008 03:44:19 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> I have no idea; a v2 of the PFRPG is SO FAR OUT IN THE FUTURE that it's not really relavant at this time... Backwards compatibiliy, though, is always good for RPGs, in my mind at least.
07/05/2008 03:44:38 ‹psymin› Joey Virtue> if you live near montana, come to MisCon I'm giving out copies of Alpha 3 for free :)
07/05/2008 03:44:54 ‹James Jacobs› David> There are no plans for a psionic book yet.
07/05/2008 03:44:56 ‹Wyvern› Right I read GPL, sorry. I blame the medium giants!
07/05/2008 03:45:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› psymin, wish i could that sounds sweet :D
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07/05/2008 03:45:30 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> Keep an eye on paizo.com for now; eventually we'll have more information about writing for Pathfinder Society adventures up there. I hope! Nick Logue will most likely be the contact point there.
07/05/2008 03:45:54 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> The OGL is non-revocable; it will still be around in 10 years.
07/05/2008 03:45:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any news on the Golarion fiction front yet?
07/05/2008 03:45:57 ‹Deussu› Alrighty. I'll pass this information forward.
07/05/2008 03:46:26 ‹newless cluebie› Fonts! *drool*
07/05/2008 03:46:40 ‹Lilith› newless clubie: ?
07/05/2008 03:46:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh love some pathfinder novels
07/05/2008 03:46:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No news on Golarion fiction yet. Apart from the fact that I'm pretty sure that it'll happen sooner than later.
07/05/2008 03:46:47 ‹Mr Baron› James, how long does it take you to edit a PF adventure manuscript?
07/05/2008 03:46:51 ‹yoda8myhead› James> can you reveal a title or author or anything for the mini adventure in PF13? (I love teasers, if you can't tell)
07/05/2008 03:47:07 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I note also that Mike posted on the 'Things that Suck' Thread that he was having to cut 200 words from a piece written for him by Salvatore (For the hardback, I'm guessing)
07/05/2008 03:47:08 * Lilith finally remembers her question for James Jacobs! :excite:
07/05/2008 03:47:19 ‹newless cluebie› Lilith: I'm a graphic designer. I do typography, so I get a kick out of good-looking fonts.
07/05/2008 03:47:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Do you find yourself reusing certain archetypal characters in your adventure paths or in your personal games?
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07/05/2008 03:47:40 ‹yoda8myhead› lilith> I know how those questions slip away when you have the opportunity to ask them
07/05/2008 03:47:51 ‹Lilith› newless cluebie: Ah! I understand. I like going to Blambot and Astigmatic One Eye.
07/05/2008 03:47:56 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> There's 2 kinds of editing, actually... the 1st kind is the development pass. That's the first "go throguh and make the adventure work and flow logically and make the stats right as possible and rewrite bad parts." That can take 2 to 3 weeks, depending on the author. Actually editing the adventure for spelling and grammer is a LOT shorter.
07/05/2008 03:47:57 ‹Charles Evans› Evening Ross.
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07/05/2008 03:48:13 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: Yeah, I had a couple I forgot to ask at PaizoCon. D'oh!
07/05/2008 03:48:23 ‹James Jacobs› If I focus... I can generally do an editing pass on a 50 some page adventure in about 7 to 10 hours.
07/05/2008 03:48:29 ‹James Jacobs› I think.
03:48:36 ‹psymin› Will there be another PaizoCon and is the public invited?
07/05/2008 03:48:36 ‹James Jacobs› I've never really timed myself, now that I think about it.
07/05/2008 03:48:44 ‹Ross› 'ello all. Sorry I'm late. EVE has sucked me in with another free trial. It's like crack, only free.
07/05/2008 03:48:49 ‹Mr Baron› James, can you give us an idea of what your day is like?
07/05/2008 03:48:50 ‹Deussu› A shame Nick isn't here... or maybe it's good his health. The flood of questions would be unbearable.
07/05/2008 03:49:02 ‹Mr Baron› what's it like to work for paizo?
07/05/2008 03:49:09 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> Can't reveal the title of the mini adventure for PF13... but I guess I can reveal the author: Tim Hitchcock.
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07/05/2008 03:49:23 ‹Charles Evans› Mr Baron: I think someone asked that on a previous chat, and the response was a long line of emoticons....
07/05/2008 03:49:24 ‹yoda8myhead› cool!
07/05/2008 03:49:31 ‹Russ› Ugh. Editing. Man, I've been handed some steaming turds to fix in the editing process.
07/05/2008 03:49:33 ‹Mr Baron› lol
07/05/2008 03:49:50 ‹Daigle› Same here.
07/05/2008 03:49:59 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes; absolutely. Anyone who reads lots of my adventures will see that I do have certain character arcytypes I end up using a lot.
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07/05/2008 03:50:16 ‹Ross› Russ - I think the verb you're looking for is 'polish'.
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07/05/2008 03:50:33 ‹Russ› Ross - I've rewritten nearly every setence for some of them
07/05/2008 03:50:38 ‹James Jacobs› Eeew... EVE... I tried that and it made my eyes hurt with the tiny size font.
07/05/2008 03:50:44 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Hammith.
07/05/2008 03:50:45 ‹Deussu› Russ and Ross ... don't you think this gets confusing?
07/05/2008 03:50:51 ‹Daigle› Whoah. That was a long weird refresh
07/05/2008 03:50:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello hammith
07/05/2008 03:51:04 ‹yoda8myhead› what's all this talk about fonts? Am I missing something?
07/05/2008 03:51:15 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, it does, but I played for free like 2 years ago. I went and got another free trial through Steam. I figure if Liltih and Fatey play, it can't be that bad.
07/05/2008 03:51:17 ‹Deussu› Russ: Are you speaking about LG editing process by any chance? ;)
07/05/2008 03:51:22 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: You can change the font size. And the archetypes subject came up when I was talking GM stratergy with my husband. :)
07/05/2008 03:51:38 ‹Ross› Deussu, it does.
07/05/2008 03:51:41 ‹Hammith› Hello peoples
07/05/2008 03:51:49 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Re: Editting, you answered a 'pass' takes seven to ten hours for a 50 page adventure... how many passes on average do you have to take, or does that considerably vary by author?
07/05/2008 03:51:51 ‹Hammith› Just dropping by to see what's up
07/05/2008 03:51:58 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> A day in the life of working at Paizo, huh? Well... I roll in to work around 10:30 and answer email and mesageboards till about 11:30 or so... usually there's a meeting or two... and there's always admin stuff like writing back cover copy, art orders, blog posts, whatever. That usually takes up a few hours. And then there's the editing and developing...
07/05/2008 03:52:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy hammith
07/05/2008 03:52:07 ‹Lilith› Hammith: Tuesday night chat! :woot:
07/05/2008 03:52:05 ‹Russ› Deussu> Yes. We got hand-offs that SHOULD have been rejected, but couldn't be due to con deadlines.
07/05/2008 03:52:09 ‹yoda8myhead› James is up, and none of his compatriots are here to help him field questions!
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07/05/2008 03:52:21 ‹Lilith› CRAIG! :squee:
07/05/2008 03:52:26 ‹Daigle› Scribe!
07/05/2008 03:52:27 ‹James Jacobs› Often... I won't get a chance to start actually editing or developing adventures till late afternoon. Which is frustrating.
07/05/2008 03:52:29 ‹The Last Rogue› Scribe!
07/05/2008 03:52:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi all!
07/05/2008 03:52:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello scribe
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07/05/2008 03:53:05 ‹Daigle› howdy clight101
07/05/2008 03:53:13 ‹Mr Baron› how late do you stay at the office, and how much work do you take home with you?
07/05/2008 03:53:40 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I could only get the font size up to 12 or 14 point. On my 23" widescreen display, running at 1900x1200 or whatever... that was still way too tiny.
07/05/2008 03:53:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Does Lisa write anything? I haven't seen her name on any products?
07/05/2008 03:53:55 ‹James Jacobs› Plus... Warcraft wins over EVE. And in 3 weeks, Age of Conan will win over Warcraft! :)
07/05/2008 03:54:03 ‹cappadocius› Does the Paizo staff have an in-house game going on?
07/05/2008 03:54:05 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: You might know the artwork of the PRPG barbarian was rather criticized. What's your stance? Should the character concepts be more in the way of "cool and awesome", or "practical and realistic"?
07/05/2008 03:54:32 ‹Mr Baron› How much work do you put in on the weekends?
07/05/2008 03:54:42 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: I don't think they've got time for an in-house game at present. :)
07/05/2008 03:54:44 ‹Hammith› Mr Jacobs: Do you have any response to the allegations that you and your organization are taking awesome-enhancing drugs/cookies?
07/05/2008 03:54:56 ‹Russ› Speaking of art, PF #9 has a bad case of "one of these drawings is not like the others"
07/05/2008 03:55:03 ‹cappadocius› There's always time for gaming, Charles!
07/05/2008 03:55:06 ‹Russ› (I refer to the perky spiked cleric)
07/05/2008 03:55:12 * Lilith whistles innocently when the subject of cookies comes up...:whistle: :cookie::cookie:
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07/05/2008 03:55:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> In a perfect world, I do 1 development pass on the stuff, then the editors (who aren't me!) do 3 passes on the words. It's best if 2 editors do 3 passes. We haven't had time for that luxury in a long time, thoguh; so lately we just edit the stuff as often as possible. Usually ends up being 3 total passes after the development stage.
07/05/2008 03:55:28 ‹cappadocius› I mean, look at me. I've found time for my tireless campaign to enforce monophyletic groupings in the Monster Manual.
07/05/2008 03:55:30 ‹clight101› hey Daigle, sorry was catching up
07/05/2008 03:55:31 * psymin_crashed changes his/her nickname to psymin
07/05/2008 03:55:32 ‹Ross› Lilith! What have you been putting in their cookies!?
07/05/2008 03:55:39 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: There hasn't been any report of t on James' Age f Worms Campaign journal for literally months.
07/05/2008 03:55:40 ‹yoda8myhead› cookies> that's Mike's cue...
07/05/2008 03:55:43 ‹Mr Baron› lol...she is rather perky for a cultist
07/05/2008 03:55:47 ‹Lilith› Ross: Stuff...
07/05/2008 03:56:01 ‹Russ› She's supposed to be perky, but the art for her is just BAD :)
07/05/2008 03:56:14 ‹Daigle› clight: Yep, the chat is scrolling pretty fast tonight
07/05/2008 03:56:18 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> I generally stay till about 7:30 to 8:00. If things are busy... I've stayed later. The latest I've stayed was 4:00 or so AM. I prefer to come in over weekends to work if it's that bad, though.
07/05/2008 03:56:43 ‹psymin› (my buddy was just complaining about how cool and awesome the art was as compared to realistic and practical)
07/05/2008 03:56:49 ‹Mr Baron› I can't work past midnight...
07/05/2008 03:57:06 ‹James Jacobs› I don't EVER take home work. Home is not for work. Home is for home. And, I guess, chat rooms. :) But yeah... I've got no discipline at home. If I bring home work... it sits on the couch armrest or wherever while I go read or play video games or watch movies or sleep or otherwise avoid it.
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07/05/2008 03:57:22 ‹Daigle› WB Eyebite
07/05/2008 03:57:22 ‹Mr Baron› lol
07/05/2008 03:57:30 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Lisa doesn't write for Paizo; turns out, owning a company takes up a lot of your time! :)
07/05/2008 03:57:49 * Charles Evans tests it.....
07/05/2008 03:57:50 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I like your system. I've done the same thing: I've started going into 'work' to do homework because I can't make myself do it at home.
07/05/2008 03:57:52 ‹clight101› Really, I never woulda guessed that
07/05/2008 03:57:52 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> we have several in house games... but we haven't been able to play them much lately. Too busy. :(
07/05/2008 03:57:54 ‹Mr Baron› I spend about 2-4 hours a night on conf calls or working on presentations
07/05/2008 03:57:59 ‹Absinth› James, I recently wondered if there's stuff like "holidays" (you might remember that term) when working at Paizo?
07/05/2008 03:58:02 ‹yoda8myhead› I image, but I didn't know if she was a writer who manages a company, or just a good businesswoman
07/05/2008 03:58:11 * Russ is working from home right now :)
07/05/2008 03:58:26 ‹Lilith› Russ: Sure you are. ;)
07/05/2008 03:58:30 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: Any athachs or delvers in those games?
07/05/2008 03:58:30 ‹Charles Evans› :raptor: for James Jacobs, the dinosaur loving editor......
07/05/2008 03:58:31 ‹Hammith› I wonder why in the world Paizo would be busy
07/05/2008 03:58:39 ‹Mr Baron› Did Lisa ever write, or has she always been the business person
07/05/2008 03:58:45 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ: That's how I work from work all day every day
07/05/2008 03:58:57 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> I think that the barbarian artwork was "rather criticized" by a vocal minority. My stance? I think she's one of the best ones. My favorite iconic is still Merisiel the elf rogue... but Amiri the barbarian is a close second!
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07/05/2008 03:59:11 ‹Russ› Lilith> rotating log files across 52 nodes!
07/05/2008 03:59:13 ‹cappadocius› Merisiel and Lini!
07/05/2008 03:59:21 ‹Lilith› Russ: Rock on! :headbang:
07/05/2008 03:59:22 ‹cappadocius› MOAR NOMEZ PLZ
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07/05/2008 03:59:51 ‹Mr Baron› I dig the barbarian, but I think my favorite is the druid
07/05/2008 03:59:53 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: Intriguing. I remember Erik Mona giving the same piece of art a harsh word.
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07/05/2008 04:00:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› James the gnome was sweet, and amiri looked great
07/05/2008 04:00:09 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> I've worked through weekends a lot. Lately... a weekend day is something between 5 to 10 hours of work, depending on my endurance. :) I've probably taken a weekend day off maybe once or twice a month for the last several months, in fact... it's a lot of work, and it can wear ya down... but it's also a lot of fun.
07/05/2008 04:00:11 ‹Wyvern› The druid is my favorite too! She is my main PC wallpaper.
07/05/2008 04:00:14 ‹Hammith› I think they're all bad ass, but the pally is my favorite.
07/05/2008 04:00:28 ‹Eyebite› I really like Harsk, Ezren, Merisiel, and Amiri. Why? They all have an element to them that at first blush would seem to be a drawback, and by the numbers it is, but there are powerful story reasons behind each one. I love that
07/05/2008 04:00:39 ‹James Jacobs› Hammith> If by "awesome-enhancning" you refer to Lilith's cookies? Yes. Guilty.
07/05/2008 04:00:46 ‹Lilith› :blush:
07/05/2008 04:00:55 ‹Hammith› I knew it!
07/05/2008 04:01:00 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
07/05/2008 04:01:25 ‹yoda8myhead› Absinth> Is that to display your love of Cayden Cailean?
07/05/2008 04:01:39 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: :beer:
07/05/2008 04:01:37 ‹clight101› James Jacobs: I'm guessing the Pathfinder Society will be up and running after GenCon for the general public. Is that when we can expect more information to come out about it or possibly before?
07/05/2008 04:01:59 ‹yoda8myhead› lilith> Still no dent...
07/05/2008 04:01:59 ‹Deussu› clight101: There's gonna be information, that's for sure.
07/05/2008 04:02:08 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The perky spiked cleric art was not my favorite... but we needed art for that character. I was ALMOST about to kill the art, but decided to go with it. May or may not have been the right choice... but there ya go. Most of the art in Pathfinder won't be cartoony like she was... but now and then... we try mixing stuff up.
07/05/2008 04:02:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› TLR> I just saw your review. Thanks! You rock!:headbang:
07/05/2008 04:02:29 ‹Deussu› A pity it's one week after a big big RPG convention held in Finland. Won't have anything else than flyers to give.
07/05/2008 04:02:37 ‹James Jacobs› Art, by the way... it's not supposed to be "realistic!" That's what PHOTOGRAPHS are for! Sheesh!
07/05/2008 04:02:40 ‹Absinth› Yoda, absolutely! And to display my serious addiction to black gold, especially when getting up at five in the morning to join the chat...:)
07/05/2008 04:03:00 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Holidays happen, sure!
07/05/2008 04:03:10 ‹Russ› Better to have some picture of her.
07/05/2008 04:03:24 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> not many athacs... DELVERS on teh other hand... none at all. I think Delvers are pretty laaaaame.
07/05/2008 04:03:27 ‹Russ› it looked kind of like it got enlarged on a comptuer
07/05/2008 04:03:37 ‹Hammith› Seriouys question: Have you guys thought much about how you're going to market the pathfinder RPG? Other than as "completely awesome"?
07/05/2008 04:03:38 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: Realistic was a bad word, I admit. Some people just loathe these "Full plate bikinis", which leave the lower torso unprotected. Practical is a better word.
07/05/2008 04:03:46 ‹Absinth› James, sure? I never heard that any of the staff mentions going on vacation or something...
07/05/2008 04:03:58 ‹Charles Evans› 5 minute lag on questions.
07/05/2008 04:04:02 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> Erik giving the barbarian art a harsh word? Not likely. He loves it.
07/05/2008 04:04:16 ‹Mr Baron› I can't complain about the art...for the most part it has been excellent
07/05/2008 04:04:20 ‹cappadocius› Delvers are totally awesome!
07/05/2008 04:04:26 ‹cappadocius› I can't believe you would say such horrible things!
07/05/2008 04:04:29 ‹James Jacobs› Erik, unless he's lying to me, has really liked all the art we've done for the covers. If he doesn't he'd kill the cover. That's the publisher power.
07/05/2008 04:04:43 ‹Mr Baron› The cover art for PF2 was OUTSTANDING!
07/05/2008 04:05:12 ‹psymin› by the way, I want #2 Skinsaw Murders .. who do I have to murder?
07/05/2008 04:05:23 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: I think there's the Seoni inflata-boobs picture that Erik disliked.
07/05/2008 04:05:24 ‹Hammith› I'm a big fan of pathfinder #6, myself
07/05/2008 04:05:34 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> I'm not sure what the info schedule for the Pathfinder Society is on... keep an eye on paizo.com's blog for news, though!
07/05/2008 04:05:38 ‹Lilith› psymin: Supposedly they're reprinting that one.
07/05/2008 04:05:46 ‹psymin› :)
07/05/2008 04:05:49 ‹Daigle› psymin, I'll let you duel Scribe for my copy if I can videotape it.
07/05/2008 04:06:02 ‹Russ› I like my art to be _plausible" as opposed to realistic.
07/05/2008 04:06:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How many Pathfinder RPG beta sets of Rules is Paizo going to print (on the first run) and will there be later print runs if there is demand?
07/05/2008 04:06:29 ‹Blazej› Some of the Seoni pictures look odd to me.
07/05/2008 04:06:34 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Nah... the art for Laori Vaus was just not in the same artistic style as the rest of the book. That's the main problem. We use MANY artists... and sometimes a style just ends up being jarring and out of place.
07/05/2008 04:07:01 ‹Mr Baron› any chance to use Todd Lockwood?
07/05/2008 04:07:09 ‹Russ› I kind of like the character. A cultist so perky she annoys the other fanatics.
07/05/2008 04:07:18 ‹James Jacobs› Hammith> Yes. We've thought QUITE a lot about how to market the PF RPG. That, fortunately... is not my department! :)
07/05/2008 04:07:24 ‹Mr Baron› his stuff is just amazing
07/05/2008 04:07:26 ‹Absinth› I liked all of Reynold's covers and I believe Steve Prescott will continue the tradition of great PF covers. Any chance that Ben Wooten will get to do covers for an upcoming AP? His work is awesome, I especially like his talent for dong landscapes and panoramic views. His Imp/Pseudo-dragon picture is so awesome. And please let Vincent Dutrait (sp?) do more stuff for Paizo.
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07/05/2008 04:07:34 ‹Lilith› I LOVE Todd Lockwood. I have one of his prints in my dining room.
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07/05/2008 04:07:59 ‹Charles Evans› 4 minute question delay.
07/05/2008 04:08:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Absinthe> IS Reynolds bowing out?
07/05/2008 04:08:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› james the pathfinder tibut vid would be a good start
07/05/2008 04:08:24 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: If my text has gone invisible to James Jacobs, would it be possible for you to get answers Later?
07/05/2008 04:08:25 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yeah... that rings a bell. Artists, particularly the ones we use on the module lines... seem to really love drawing Seoni's boobs huge. She's scantilly clad, sure... but her boobs aren't THAT big. Some of the pics we've got of her are pretty goofy as a result.
07/05/2008 04:08:26 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles> Lilith counts chatters, you count lagtime
07/05/2008 04:08:43 ‹Mr Baron› lol
07/05/2008 04:08:44 ‹Absinth› Yoda, I believe he'll be doing PF Chronicles cover art.
07/05/2008 04:08:53 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> Do you expect 3rd party support for the PFRPG as there was for D&D3.5?
07/05/2008 04:08:54 ‹yoda8myhead› ah
07/05/2008 04:08:59 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... we're looking into reprinting Pathfinder 2... but that'll take a while. Until then... keep checking the local game stores!
07/05/2008 04:09:07 ‹Russ› Soooo regarding Pathfinder #9. I think it may be clearer on a reread, but I'm having a real "point A to Point B" problem with how to get the party to even get near the dungeon if diplomacy doesn't work
07/05/2008 04:09:23 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: I'll do my best, but I think Reynolds is super busy with 4th Edition stuff and other work, that's why he's not on the next set of Pathfinder covers.
07/05/2008 04:09:30 ‹Moth working› There was one in the interior art of Spires of Xin Shalast I think, where she kind of had balloon boobs - maybe she miscast reverse gravity or something....
07/05/2008 04:09:37 ‹yoda8myhead› russ> diplomacy has a nice backup plan...intimidate
07/05/2008 04:09:40 ‹Russ› Mainly, I don't see why the PCs would expect to be able to survive going directly against such a power
07/05/2008 04:09:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'm not sure what our initial print run for the beta rules is. A fair amount. Enough that it'll be a bit more than we expect to sell, I suspect... so that if we DO sell out... that'll be the awesome.
07/05/2008 04:09:53 ‹Deussu› Ah yes, I checked, Erik Mona didn't say harshly about the barbarian, though he was critical about Seoni.
07/05/2008 04:10:03 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Todd Lockwood is a great artist. He's also kinda out of our price range.
07/05/2008 04:10:30 ‹Mr Baron› what's his cost for a cover?
07/05/2008 04:10:37 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Charles Evans had an earlier question: "Editting, you answered a 'pass' takes seven to ten hours for a 50 page adventure... how many passes on average do you have to take, or does that considerably vary by author?"
07/05/2008 04:10:50 ‹clight101› You know I actually saw a Piazo gamemastery adventure in a Barnes and Nobles the other day. I almost couldn't believe it. It was pretty neat
07/05/2008 04:11:02 ‹Blazej› First odd picture of Seoni to come to mind is on page 49 of the alpha 2 release.
07/05/2008 04:11:02 ‹Hammith_› You just need to have Lilith box up some cookies with a note "Make us some art and you can get more" and send them toe Lockwood. :D
07/05/2008 04:11:06 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Thanks. :)
07/05/2008 04:11:10 ‹Russ› Lilith> I think he siad 3 passes earlier
07/05/2008 04:11:13 ‹Absinth› James, what about the guy that did the Gith illustrations for the 4E MM? Would it be an option to work with him/her?
07/05/2008 04:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› We'll have Vincent Dutrait doing more, I guarentee. And Ben Wootten is incredible with the monsters and even moreso with landscapes; his ability to take a map of a city or region and turn it into a landscape that matches is Mind Boggling. There'll be work for him in Pathfinder as long as he wants to do stuff for us, in other words.
07/05/2008 04:11:43 ‹James Jacob
May 6th 2008, part 2
07/05/2008 04:14:16 ‹Lilith› bubbagump! :glomp:
07/05/2008 04:14:25 ‹bubbagump› not me, hammith
07/05/2008 04:14:35 ‹bubbagump› howdy, lilith!
07/05/2008 04:14:41 ‹Mr Baron› wow...so no chance for a discount for a really cool product?
07/05/2008 04:14:42 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Generally... an adventure requries anywhere between 3 to 6 editing passes by multiple editors before it's good enough to leave the building. Some authors are better than others... others requrie a LOT of editing.
07/05/2008 04:14:55 ‹Absinth rolls dice› 3d6 » + 1 + 4 + 2 = 7
07/05/2008 04:14:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lockwood is a great artist, but I frequently find his novel covers are contradictory to the descriptions in the novels.
07/05/2008 04:14:59 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: There you go. :)
07/05/2008 04:15:17 ‹Hammith_› Didn't think so, but it's a neat coincidence
07/05/2008 04:15:22 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: In theory, Paizo could license other companies to write for Golarion? (only in theory- It wuld be doubtful for the immediate future as far as I understand that they would.)
07/05/2008 04:15:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› I don't know if that's him or someone else that causes that though.
07/05/2008 04:15:32 ‹bubbagump› my big question is: how does one go about organizing an entire AP with so many different authors?
07/05/2008 04:15:49 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans: That's a question for James, not me, but I would think they'd want to keep Golarion for themselves.
07/05/2008 04:15:50 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> We actually just got in the sketch for the fighter/sorcerer iconic yesterday... he's pretty awesome! One more eye candy character, in other words! Hopefully... we'll have his final artwork in from Wayne by the end of the month...
07/05/2008 04:15:45 ‹Absinth rolls dice› 3d6 » + 6 + 5 + 4 = 15
07/05/2008 04:15:52 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> Who should I contact regarding interest in the remnants of GhostOrb client, assuming we can salvage it?
07/05/2008 04:15:54 ‹Charles Evans› Wow. That a week or two of editing, on one manuscript.
07/05/2008 04:15:57 ‹yoda8myhead› bubbagump> you missed that already
07/05/2008 04:16:16 ‹yoda8myhead› pysmin> he said to talk to Erik
07/05/2008 04:16:16 ‹bubbagump› awww, shucks!
07/05/2008 04:16:19 ‹clight101› I bet its prety easy after trying to arange 12 different authors for the AP's for Dungeon
07/05/2008 04:16:22 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Is it...Man Candy? We need more Man Candy. :lick:
07/05/2008 04:16:22 ‹Daigle› James, what does the last iconic fight with?
07/05/2008 04:16:24 ‹Blazej› Must ... see ... iconic.
07/05/2008 04:16:44 ‹Blazej› Daigle, the monsters.
07/05/2008 04:16:48 ‹Pygon› I think iconic group 3 was indeed 2m/2f
07/05/2008 04:16:50 * Daigle laughs!
07/05/2008 04:16:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› The last iconic fights with monsters and bad guys.
07/05/2008 04:16:54 ‹Charles Evans› No wonder once schedules start slipping (and given that the authors presumably sometimes get asked to rewrite stuff) it's so difficult to make u time.
07/05/2008 04:16:55 ‹Daigle› Nice Blazej
07/05/2008 04:16:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› Doh!
07/05/2008 04:16:57 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah, In theory we coudl license out Golarion to other companies. I don't wanna do that anytime soon though. We're still building the foundations and all...
07/05/2008 04:16:59 ‹Lilith› psymin: James jacobs mentioned contacting Erik Mona about Ghost Orb.
07/05/2008 04:17:07 ‹psymin› thx, sorry
07/05/2008 04:17:09 ‹Blazej› :)
07/05/2008 04:17:12 ‹cappadocius› I refuse to acknowledge a non-psionic 12th Iconic!
07/05/2008 04:17:21 ‹Daigle› Ha! You're too slow to be funny Craig.
07/05/2008 04:17:21 ‹James Jacobs› psymin: Contact Erik Mona regarding that type of stuff.
07/05/2008 04:17:21 ‹Eyebite› I think the last iconic fights with blade and flame...if I remember correctly......
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04:17:48 ‹Hill Giant› fighter/sorcerer = psychic warrior fairly well
07/05/2008 04:18:12 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Are you relieved that the Gazetteer is out so that a lot more of the world is revealed to the fans?
07/05/2008 04:18:10 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes... but we have more than 1 editor. Basically... we take about 3 weeks of editing and development and about 1 week of layout... but that often requries 60+ hour weeks.
07/05/2008 04:18:12 ‹Daigle› Eyebite...longsword makes the most sense.
07/05/2008 04:18:20 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> He is indeed Man Candy.
07/05/2008 04:18:31 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Win! :excite: :love:
07/05/2008 04:18:32 ‹yoda8myhead› Re: Gazetteer, what happened with the shipping of that one?
07/05/2008 04:18:45 * Lilith noms the Man Candy. :lick:
07/05/2008 04:19:00 ‹James Jacobs› Thing about the iconics... they need to be iconic core characters. Psionics isn't core.
07/05/2008 04:19:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› :dance2: at a happy Lilith
07/05/2008 04:19:24 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: Cosmo revealed something about that earlier today. Basically a mixup in the prepacked PF #9s I think.
07/05/2008 04:19:29 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... this last guy has a scimitar type sword and a fire demon hovering above his other hand.
07/05/2008 04:19:31 ‹clight101› James: Is there a move towards making a fighter/mage class to include in the PFRPG? I hadn't heard about it.
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07/05/2008 04:19:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: If we do get to see psioncis, will we get new iconics or not?
07/05/2008 04:20:00 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes... that the gazetter is out is a HUGE relief. If only becasue now we have something to send our writers to reference!!!
07/05/2008 04:20:02 ‹cappadocius› clight101: 12th iconic is multiclassed.
07/05/2008 04:20:04 ‹Blazej› Does... he throw the fire demon? :P
07/05/2008 04:20:06 ‹Hill Giant› fire demon? cool
07/05/2008 04:20:12 ‹Mr Baron› ok...signing off..nite all
07/05/2008 04:20:23 ‹Pygon› gnite Baron
07/05/2008 04:20:24 ‹Blazej› Night, Mr Baron.
07/05/2008 04:20:26 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> What happened with the Gazetteer is that other projects got in the way, and writing it took about 3 months longer than we thought it would take.
07/05/2008 04:20:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Mr Baron
07/05/2008 04:20:30 ‹Lilith› Night Mr Baron!
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07/05/2008 04:20:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite baron
07/05/2008 04:20:42 ‹Lilith› Samwise!
07/05/2008 04:20:39 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Mr Baron
07/05/2008 04:20:43 ‹Daigle› Night Baron!
07/05/2008 04:20:45 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
07/05/2008 04:20:47 * Lilith runs n' glomps Samwise! :glomp: :thug:
07/05/2008 04:20:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello sam
07/05/2008 04:21:07 ‹Charles Evans› Good Morning Samwise
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07/05/2008 04:21:15 ‹clight101› cappadocious: That's disappointing. It'd be nice to have a gith class in the core PFRPG that balances with the other classes
07/05/2008 04:21:26 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: The Gazetteer is full of happiness. It makes me get all excited and want to start writing down adventure ideas.
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07/05/2008 04:21:37 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Questions/feedback required from us after a hectic week on the boards?
07/05/2008 04:21:39 ‹James Jacobs› clight> No fighter/mage class in the PFRPG. there's 11 core classes, but we had 12 slots. We decided that since none of those first 11 were multiclass characters, we'd make our 12th the iconic multiclass character. And the fighter/magic user is probably the most common combo there... so presto! Iconic fighter/sorcerer!
07/05/2008 04:21:39 ‹Samwise› blarg
07/05/2008 04:21:46 ‹Samwise› ?
07/05/2008 04:21:52 ‹Absinth rolls dice› 3d6 » + 4 + 1 + 4 = 9
07/05/2008 04:22:00 ‹Daigle› Lilz: Totally! Give me a map and some good flavor and the wheels get going nicely!
07/05/2008 04:22:01 ‹Eyebite› Hm. I can't wait to see the 12th Iconic statted out now. *Wonders if the fire demon is just a really cool fluff variant of burning hands*
07/05/2008 04:22:03 ‹Samwise› lag
07/05/2008 04:22:05 ‹Samwise› feh
07/05/2008 04:22:06 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Maybe... we don't know what he does with the fire demon yet. It might even be his familiar.
07/05/2008 04:22:16 ‹Absinth› Night, Mr. Baron!
07/05/2008 04:22:18 ‹James Jacobs› BTW: Iconic #12 is our only evil iconic.
07/05/2008 04:22:20 ‹bubbagump› sam> Blarg snarflequark, Harfu!
07/05/2008 04:22:27 ‹Ross› Mephit familiar, or maybe just a Summon Monster preference.
07/05/2008 04:22:30 ‹Lilith› ooh! Eeeeeeeeeeevil iconic! :twisted:
07/05/2008 04:22:32 ‹Pygon› evil? :shakefist:
07/05/2008 04:22:41 ‹clight101› nice with the evil
07/05/2008 04:22:45 ‹Ross› Evil !?!??!? Chelish devil-binder?
07/05/2008 04:22:48 ‹Absinth› Wow, serious lag... Can anybody see the things I write?
07/05/2008 04:22:49 ‹Eyebite› very interesting
07/05/2008 04:22:52 ‹Daigle› Will Iconic #12 ever be statted at first level?
07/05/2008 04:22:53 ‹James Jacobs› Eew... the phrase "gith class" makes my skin crawl...
07/05/2008 04:22:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sweet an evil iconic
07/05/2008 04:22:58 ‹Pygon› I see you Abs
07/05/2008 04:23:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› I can see you Absinth
07/05/2008 04:23:05 ‹Hill Giant› What's the multiclass iconic at 1st level? Is he going to have an even progressions?
07/05/2008 04:23:05 ‹Charles Evans› LE Iconic? :shock:
07/05/2008 04:23:07 ‹Lilith› Absinth: Yes, I see you.
07/05/2008 04:23:14 * Daigle sees all
07/05/2008 04:23:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› please dont use the name gish...ugh
07/05/2008 04:23:22 ‹yoda8myhead› James> I meant that so many people had it missing in their shipments. I know it's not your department, but I thought you might know what happened in the warehouse
07/05/2008 04:23:25 ‹Russ› That's probably caused multi-classed sorcerers really stink (that extra half-level loss of spells)
07/05/2008 04:23:28 ‹James Jacobs› He's not a devil binder, since no one knows what a devil binder is yet. ;)
07/05/2008 04:23:33 ‹Pygon› try ctrl F5 Absinth (and I hope you're not using IE when you try this)
07/05/2008 04:23:33 ‹Charles Evans› I cannot see you Absinth.
07/05/2008 04:23:36 ‹Blazej› Eeeeevil?
07/05/2008 04:23:41 ‹Absinth› Wow, it takes about three minutes until my posts appear...
07/05/2008 04:23:44 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... he's a Lawful Evil iconic who worships Asmodeus.
07/05/2008 04:23:44 ‹yoda8myhead› absinthe: I see them!!!
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07/05/2008 04:23:57 ‹Pygon› I'll be curious to see how this fighter/sorc is built
07/05/2008 04:24:04 ‹Eyebite› it just keeps getting better. Now I really want to see #12
07/05/2008 04:24:07 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> I"m not sure what's going on with the shipments, alas...
07/05/2008 04:24:35 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> He won't be anything outlandish. His first level will probably be fighter, and he'll switch back and forth each level between the two classes.
07/05/2008 04:24:39 ‹Absinth› Thanks, Pygon!
07/05/2008 04:24:51 ‹James Jacobs› At 20th level, he'd be a fighter 10/sorcerer 10.
07/05/2008 04:24:52 ‹Charles Evans› Eldritch knight eventually?
07/05/2008 04:24:59 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: Apparently, they had prestuffed envelopes with PF #9 and Gazetteer, and had another stack of prestuffed envelopes with PF #9, and there was a mixup.
07/05/2008 04:25:06 ‹Charles Evans› Oh. No prestige classes.
07/05/2008 04:25:07 ‹psymin› James Jacobs, is it better (for Paizo) to subscribe via the website, or buy each month from a local shop?
07/05/2008 04:25:14 ‹James Jacobs› We MAY Have him switch into eldritch knight... but probably not, since that's not really a core class. I'd rather not invovle prestige classes with these guys.
07/05/2008 04:25:17 ‹Hill Giant› Asmodeus worshiper? he won't betray the party due to contractual obligations?
07/05/2008 04:25:32 ‹Lilith› Hill Giant: Depends on the contract. :P
07/05/2008 04:25:29 ‹Blazej› Yeah, I ended up just going to the office to grab my Gazetteer.
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07/05/2008 04:25:46 ‹Charles Evans› HG: At least he will be Lawful, so he might stick wth the party because of that.
07/05/2008 04:25:46 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> Either way works for Paizo. But if you subscribe... you get the PDF for free.
07/05/2008 04:25:51 ‹clight101› The fighter/mage or fighter sorcerrer doesn't work all that well with the 3.5 edition rules. The warmage was a good start and the duskblade was another good advancement but those aren't core obviously
07/05/2008 04:26:09 ‹psymin› ahh, true .. no way to get pdfs freely with storebought goods?
07/05/2008 04:26:14 ‹Daigle› psymin: subscribing is a great deal for the PDF!
07/05/2008 04:26:15 ‹Hill Giant› It's a excuse to make new multiclass enabling feats!
07/05/2008 04:26:15 ‹yoda8myhead› BlazeJ> If they add an east coast office, I'm all over that. I'd be Lilith's New York cookie distributor
07/05/2008 04:26:19 ‹clight101› You have too burn some feats to make them iable which is ok but
07/05/2008 04:26:20 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> He might... although Asmodeus didn't get where he was forcing his minions to betray their allies. That's not good business.
07/05/2008 04:26:27 ‹Pygon› I found fighter/barb or fighter/rogue works real well. But we shall see.
07/05/2008 04:26:31 ‹yoda8myhead› hill giant> too much like 4e!!! NOOOO!
07/05/2008 04:26:37 ‹cappadocius› Actually, wait.
07/05/2008 04:26:43 ‹cappadocius› Who is Eando Kline's party-mates?
07/05/2008 04:26:51 ‹cappadocius› Are. Who are.
07/05/2008 04:26:56 ‹James Jacobs› clight> I'm not interested, really, in making him a bad-ass super-number-crunched munchkin, though... so that works out fine. ;)
07/05/2008 04:27:17 ‹James Jacobs› OMG... Paizo adding an East Coast office? Ha!
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07/05/2008 04:27:29 ‹yoda8myhead› cappo> so far he had the lady in Korvosa (who theoretically died) and now the half-orc, though who knows how long he'll be around
07/05/2008 04:27:47 ‹yoda8myhead› I'll open it! I'll run it. Just say the words
07/05/2008 04:27:48 ‹clight101› I'm just saying a 7/7 fighter/sorcerrer doesn't match up well with a 14 fighter. There not as much fun to play in the same party
07/05/2008 04:27:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› What Paizo needs is a northern expansion office.
07/05/2008 04:27:55 ‹James Jacobs› We won't be making multiclass enabling feats...
07/05/2008 04:28:01 ‹cappadocius› Sorry, uh. What's the Gish's name? *Is* it Eando Kline?
07/05/2008 04:28:08 ‹James Jacobs› eew.
07/05/2008 04:28:09 * Daigle votes Austin.
07/05/2008 04:28:10 ‹cappadocius› The 12th iconic.
07/05/2008 04:28:13 ‹James Jacobs› There are no gish in Pathfinder.
07/05/2008 04:28:20 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There have been questions on the boards about Gunpowder. Any spoilers you can disclose here about the nation which uses it?
07/05/2008 04:28:24 ‹clight101› It's not about number crunchin munchkinism, it's about balance
07/05/2008 04:28:25 ‹James Jacobs› Gish is the noise that happens when someone is sick.
07/05/2008 04:28:25 ‹Lilith› Daigle: That means I could visit my mum easier! Cool! :woot:
07/05/2008 04:28:26 ‹Deussu› James: Right, one question. Since I'm a total newb on the Pathfinder world, is there going to be some real huge gazetteer or campaign setting book for Golarion at some point?
07/05/2008 04:28:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Since Texas belongs to me, that would be okay too.
07/05/2008 04:28:36 ‹Hill Giant› Will their be something akin to Practice Spellcaster (possibly a new rule)?
07/05/2008 04:28:42 ‹Daigle› It does not. I checked Craig
07/05/2008 04:28:46 * cappadocius grumbles about not having mastered D&D gamer jargon.
07/05/2008 04:28:49 ‹Lilith› Deussu: The 64 page Gazetteer is out now. Hardcover setting in August. :D
07/05/2008 04:28:57 ‹yoda8myhead› which end of a sickie gishes?
07/05/2008 04:28:59 ‹lojakz afk› Gish is the name of a Smashing Pumpkins album
07/05/2008 04:29:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's a nation far to the south, a nation that has bad magic problems. So since magic doesn't work right... they have to seek out other methods to kill each other.
07/05/2008 04:29:07 ‹Deussu› Does it hold all relevant information?
07/05/2008 04:29:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh so glad to see the name gish never to see print in pathfinder:love:
07/05/2008 04:29:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Sebastian sold it to me, and he's a lawyer.
07/05/2008 04:29:11 ‹cappadocius› 12th iconic is in a party with whom? Gnome, Barbarian, and?
07/05/2008 04:29:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› :razz:
07/05/2008 04:29:24 ‹Daigle› He's also wrong. :D
07/05/2008 04:29:30 * Pygon 's Gazeteer is awaiting shipment with PF #10, you made be subscribe!
07/05/2008 04:29:34 ‹Lilith› Deussu: Depends on what you consider relevant. Gazetteer is a great start though.
07/05/2008 04:29:35 ‹Deussu› Of course, I need that one lazy bastard to run those adventures for us. But we'd still have to wait till August when beta comes out
07/05/2008 04:29:37 ‹Charles Evans› cappa: monk
07/05/2008 04:29:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. The hardcover setting in August will be 256 or so pages long.
07/05/2008 04:29:41 ‹cappadocius› Because frankly, I can't see the Gnome and the Barbarian being all that het up about the Asomedan.
07/05/2008 04:29:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› In oh so many ways... ;-)
07/05/2008 04:29:53 ‹cappadocius› The monk.
07/05/2008 04:29:54 ‹Deussu› James: Excellent, that's what I wanted to know.
07/05/2008 04:29:56 ‹Lilith› Deussu: If you get nothing else, get the Gazetteer...until the hardcover comes out. :D
07/05/2008 04:30:03 ‹cappadocius› Yeah, I can see an Asmodean working in that party.
07/05/2008 04:30:03 ‹Ross› cappadocius, Gnome, barb, and monk.
07/05/2008 04:30:06 ‹Deussu› Hardcover it is.
07/05/2008 04:30:11 ‹cappadocius› Thanks, guys!
07/05/2008 04:30:13 ‹clight101› I can't wait for the hardcover setting, Piazo does the best fluff type stuff
07/05/2008 04:30:19 ‹James Jacobs› The four iconics in Second Darkness are: barbarian, monk, druid, fighter/sorcerer.
07/05/2008 04:30:19 ‹Daigle› Ah'm juss sayin', try an' take it. Yo can buy it all you want. ;)
07/05/2008 04:30:25 ‹Lilith› Paizo fluff is the best fluff.
07/05/2008 04:30:40 * Lilith chews on the flavorful Paizo goodness! :aww:
07/05/2008 04:30:42 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> After the Beta for PFRPG is on shelves, will there be any more versions for the public to see before GenCon 2009?
07/05/2008 04:30:43 ‹Charles Evans› Drow versus asmodean.....
07/05/2008 04:30:47 ‹Daigle› Its so good I hate to call it fluff
07/05/2008 04:30:58 ‹Lilith› Daigle: Amen!
07/05/2008 04:31:04 * cappadocius hms.
07/05/2008 04:31:06 ‹Hill Giant› CE: Drow are Chaotic
07/05/2008 04:31:07 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: Also, have you considered a Pathfinder song book? ;) Holding all the epic songs, like Goblin Song, and some other likely weird compositions.
07/05/2008 04:31:07 ‹Daigle› I prefer flavor.
07/05/2008 04:31:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› We used to always call it "chrome"
07/05/2008 04:31:14 ‹clight101› So lets call it Pfluff then
07/05/2008 04:31:29 ‹Daigle› clight: :lol:
07/05/2008 04:31:34 ‹James Jacobs› The barbarian will indeed have trouble getting along with the Asmodean. I like to call that "Interparty Drama." It's nothing new to the game. And I suspect having an Asmodean and a barbarian in the same party will be a LOT less disrupting than having a paladin in ANY party that's not all paladins.
07/05/2008 04:31:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› clight101, that..just sounds...so wrong somehow
07/05/2008 04:31:50 ‹Charles Evans› HG: Mmm. That's why I'm thinking a LE asmodean Cheish sorcerer might have an interest in squishing them.
07/05/2008 04:32:04 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> Once the beta's out... that'll be it until August 2009 when the actual game is done. Until then... we'll still be using 3.5 rules.
07/05/2008 04:32:05 ‹bubbagump› Paladins are NOT disruptive, when played properly.
07/05/2008 04:32:24 ‹James Jacobs› HA! No. We have not considered a Golarion Song Book. Interesting idea...
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07/05/2008 04:32:29 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: artwork of the iconics arguing, whilst spiders sneak up on them to slay them?
07/05/2008 04:32:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› bubbagump, tell that to my playtest goup lol
07/05/2008 04:32:34 ‹Samwise› lag check?
07/05/2008 04:32:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› foun though
07/05/2008 04:32:40 ‹Samwise› im back
07/05/2008 04:32:48 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Can we get goblin plushies? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease? :pray:
07/05/2008 04:32:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle, what do you mean I'm too slow?
07/05/2008 04:33:00 ‹Lilith› Samwise: You're back!
07/05/2008 04:33:04 ‹clight101› I remember singing the gobling song to my party. They all just loked at me then started cracking up
07/05/2008 04:33:06 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise: Lag check
07/05/2008 04:33:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› owwwwwwwwwwwwww goblin plushis
07/05/2008 04:33:08 ‹Ross› A friend of mine, who is personally VERY chaotic, hated paladins until he realized he could play them as Captain America instead of as Lancelot.
07/05/2008 04:33:09 ‹James Jacobs› I also don't like using the term fluff. That's got porn connotations. I prefer "flavor." Which only has porn connotations if you have a REALLY filthy mind. Like me, I guess..
07/05/2008 04:33:27 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise I was slightly tardy in responding though.
07/05/2008 04:33:34 ‹Blazej› The Music of Golarion CD.
07/05/2008 04:33:42 ‹Absinth› James which monster from the MM are you must sad about having to let go because of it being WotC IP?
07/05/2008 04:33:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Paizo has flavor? http://icanhascheezburger.com/...flavor/
07/05/2008 04:33:49 ‹cappadocius› If I have my druthers, I just call it "world text"
07/05/2008 04:33:51 ‹James Jacobs› bubbagump> sure... but paladins are often played by players who want to be disruptive, who view paladins as an "excuse" to be disruptive. Attracts the same type of player as Chaotic Neutral does, in my experience.
07/05/2008 04:33:53 ‹Samwise› yeah, im just checking my own lag
07/05/2008 04:33:59 * psymin wonders if he should get PFRPG Beta via the website for a PDF upon release.
07/05/2008 04:34:00 ‹Samwise› the room keeps "jumping" for me
07/05/2008 04:34:12 ‹cappadocius› *I* play Chaotic Neutral!
07/05/2008 04:34:25 * cappadocius waits for someone to call him disruptive, seriously.
07/05/2008 04:34:27 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Kuo-toa are the monsters I miss the most.
07/05/2008 04:34:29 ‹clight101› Ok. No gish, check, no flavor, check
07/05/2008 04:34:35 ‹clight101› err fluff
07/05/2008 04:34:36 ‹bubbagump› JJ> I suppose I can concede that point, if you put it that way.
07/05/2008 04:34:38 ‹clight101› check
07/05/2008 04:34:42 ‹Deussu› For those who want to play Chaotic Neutral, I suggest you try out the PC game called The Bard's Tale.
07/05/2008 04:34:45 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa is disruptive!
07/05/2008 04:34:50 ‹bubbagump› But that's why I included the caveat "when played properly"
07/05/2008 04:35:08 ‹Ross› Or he actually plays CN instead of chaotic stupuid.
07/05/2008 04:35:14 ‹Samwise› James>by synchronicity, i recently commented on how certain people seem attracted to the "arrogant" character type as an excuse to "roleplay" being a putz to everyone at the table
07/05/2008 04:35:19 ‹James Jacobs› Sure... but the disruptive players can use "when played properly" to justify being disruptive. That's the problem, really...
07/05/2008 04:35:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› bubbagump, well even when played that way it can still get em all killed
07/05/2008 04:35:26 ‹Wyvern› Deussu, in Skara Brae? That game rocked!
07/05/2008 04:35:32 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Good observation!
07/05/2008 04:35:45 ‹Samwise› James>bingo! with exactly that excuse "But I am just role-playing!"
07/05/2008 04:35:55 ‹Russ› CN can be fun, but it certainly is most often chose by people who want to be evil
07/05/2008 04:35:56 * lojakz afk quit
07/05/2008 04:36:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
07/05/2008 04:36:05 ‹Daigle› The more and more you play with the same people you realize that many times they are barely playing shades of their real selves.
07/05/2008 04:36:07 ‹Saracenus› Samewise> That is why there is the stupid tax.
07/05/2008 04:36:15 ‹James Jacobs› CN is a fun alignment, but it's not a "free evil" alignment.
07/05/2008 04:36:23 ‹Lilith› Saracenus! :thug:
07/05/2008 04:36:29 ‹Charles Evans› Daigle: That or they always play the same character.
07/05/2008 04:36:39 ‹yoda8myhead› saracenus: all taxes are stupid
07/05/2008 04:36:42 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> That's true... and once you have a long-standing group and you all get along... I don't really see that as much of a problem.
07/05/2008 04:36:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh man I hate the same pc with a diffent name
07/05/2008 04:36:51 ‹cappadocius› I rarely, if ever, do "evil" with my CN characters.
07/05/2008 04:37:01 ‹Russ› Let's PLEASE not drag politics into the chat.
07/05/2008 04:37:07 ‹cappadocius› I mostly just look to avoid arguments with the GM when I act pragmatically.
07/05/2008 04:37:09 ‹Saracenus› Heya Lilith :thugs:
07/05/2008 04:37:10 ‹Wyvern› In my games I have a rule: good or with good tendencies only.
07/05/2008 04:37:17 ‹Hill Giant› I had a firend who only played selfless fighter-types or cowardly rogue-types. I;m not sure what to make of that.
07/05/2008 04:37:18 ‹Samwise› and i hate to have to dump on people who play the characters without being wankers, but that is why i am beyond bloody sick of racists, slavers, and other generally anti-social races and cultures populating fantasy settings
07/05/2008 04:37:29 ‹Daigle› Saracenus snuck in!
07/05/2008 04:37:31 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Same name different PC is like the ONLY thing more annoying than the Silly Name character. As fun as it is to tell folk about your thri-kreen ranger named Davey Criket...
07/05/2008 04:37:44 ‹Saracenus› Been here for hours Daigle...
07/05/2008 04:37:45 ‹yoda8myhead› cappa> a lot of players fudge the line between chaotic and evil, though. Or they just don't know the difference
07/05/2008 04:37:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
07/05/2008 04:37:50 ‹Samwise› if i never hear another LG player tell me his pc is a suel supremacist, it will be too soon
07/05/2008 04:37:51 ‹psymin› heh
07/05/2008 04:37:53 ‹Saracenus› <---- = Lurker
07/05/2008 04:37:55 ‹cappadocius› If I'm fighting a superior opponent, I'm going to even the odds with poison. I don't want a three hour argument about how using poison is, by definition, an evil act.
07/05/2008 04:38:10 * Samwise seethes with suppressed rant
07/05/2008 04:38:20 ‹James Jacobs› If poison is evil... why do couatls and guardian nagas have poison?
07/05/2008 04:38:25 ‹Charles Evans› I think Eberron was supposed to blur the alignment lines?
07/05/2008 04:38:26 ‹Samwise› heh
07/05/2008 04:38:27 ‹James Jacobs› Theyr'e both lawful good monsters.
07/05/2008 04:38:29 ‹bubbagump› Let it out, Sam.
07/05/2008 04:38:30 ‹cappadocius› Beats me!
07/05/2008 04:38:36 ‹Saracenus› Druid = Robert Plant
07/05/2008 04:38:40 ‹Samwise› thats a good question James
07/05/2008 04:38:45 ‹James Jacobs› Eberron blurred the alignment lines so much that the end result wasn't D&D anymore.
07/05/2008 04:38:46 ‹clight101› poison is a toll, it's the application of that tool that makes it evil or not
07/05/2008 04:38:47 ‹Saracenus› Halfling Cleric = Neo Sporin
07/05/2008 04:38:50 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, the have a note from their doctor.
07/05/2008 04:38:50 ‹Pygon› I tried using drow poison once against a guard, but I critted him in the head.
07/05/2008 04:38:52 ‹yoda8myhead› 4e blurs the alignment lines, by getting rid of most of it
07/05/2008 04:38:56 ‹James Jacobs› The answer is: Using poison is no more evil than stabbing or burning or freezing an enemy.
07/05/2008 04:38:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› had a guy play a paladin named sir. I. Reilly 'doncare
07/05/2008 04:38:59 ‹clight101› toll = tool
07/05/2008 04:38:59 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, they have a note from their doctor.
07/05/2008 04:39:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I think under 3,5 only con damage poison kills, the others incapacitate?
07/05/2008 04:39:05 ‹Russ› I'm guilty of having a cleric cohort named Rai Leif :)
07/05/2008 04:39:09 ‹Hill Giant› I'm of the opinion that once you decide to kill someone, the method isn't really important
07/05/2008 04:39:10 ‹Samwise› bubba>the people here do not deserve that ;)
07/05/2008 04:39:19 ‹Deussu› I'm actually glad Eberron blurred the lines of good and evil.
07/05/2008 04:39:20 ‹Russ› Poison is just dishonorable, not evil
07/05/2008 04:39:26 ‹James Jacobs› Charles: Both the guardian naga and the couatl do Con damage poison.
07/05/2008 04:39:35 ‹Russ› (and that's poisoning your weapons, not natural poisons)
07/05/2008 04:39:40 ‹Deussu› Since I'm very much in favor of "No more good vs. evil"
07/05/2008 04:39:43 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs: I'd rather have had you as a DM than my friend in high school. I might have been spared the four hour argument over my Chaotic Good viking character taking thralls.
07/05/2008 04:39:46 ‹Charles Evans› JJacobs Ah.
07/05/2008 04:39:52 ‹psymin› Russ> If I say that I'm going to poison you in your sleep, and I do. Thats honorable right?
07/05/2008 04:40:03 ‹Saracenus› Russ> Not for my scimitar wielding drow Ranger/Barbarian/Fighter
07/05/2008 04:40:09 ‹James Jacobs› Putting poison on your blade is only evil if you do it Iago style.
07/05/2008 04:40:19 ‹Daigle› Wow. I look away for a second and an alignment conversation pops up.
07/05/2008 04:40:24 ‹James Jacobs› I mean: Laerties style.
07/05/2008 04:40:28 ‹Samwise› James>i believe Monte Cook had it right in the BoVD, poison is not evil directly, it is evil because of various consequences, either from poor maintenance, or from poor choice of when to use it
07/05/2008 04:40:29 ‹James Jacobs› Mixed up my bard there...
07/05/2008 04:40:32 * Daigle gets out the spray.
07/05/2008 04:40:32 ‹Hill Giant› My LG monk killed a cultist in his sleep. The other players looked at me funny. I was like, "What I should wake him up so he can feel me kick his ass?"
07/05/2008 04:40:46 ‹Samwise› if, theoretically, you could avoid never letting someone steal your poison
07/05/2008 04:41:04 ‹cappadocius› Daigle: Athachs and Ettins are the same alignment!
07/05/2008 04:41:06 ‹James Jacobs› Poisoning someone in their sleep is no more evil than slitting their throat while they sleep.
07/05/2008 04:41:14 ‹Samwise› and you were never venal enough to poison a well to get one guy out of 50, then left it poisoned for the other 500 townsfolk
07/05/2008 04:41:22 ‹Deussu› Hill Giant: Hehe, good reply. :P
07/05/2008 04:41:23 ‹Samwise› sure, go ahead, use poison
07/05/2008 04:41:25 ‹Eyebite› Daigle: an alignment discussion is better than a flail snail discussion :D
07/05/2008 04:41:29 ‹clight101› Alignment shouldn't be a strait jacket, it should be a roll playing tool
07/05/2008 04:41:37 ‹Samwise› without those, poison is significantly evil as opposed to using a sword
07/05/2008 04:41:40 ‹James Jacobs› The addition of raptures in the BoED was a poor move, by the by... bleh.
07/05/2008 04:41:54 ‹cappadocius› raptures were *retarded*
07/05/2008 04:41:58 ‹Russ› psymin> that's kind of a nonsense argument. Stealing isn't honorable, whether or not your declare you are going to do it.
07/05/2008 04:42:00 ‹Samwise› THAT was worse that a poor move
07/05/2008 04:42:04 ‹Samwise› and the "good" diseases
07/05/2008 04:42:09 ‹Daigle› I'll take creature taxonomy for $200 Alex.
07/05/2008 04:42:09 ‹clight101› there are shades within alignments
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07/05/2008 04:42:11 * psymin googles.
07/05/2008 04:42:14 ‹Blazej› Paladins can use raptures! Wah?
07/05/2008 04:42:14 ‹Lilith› Raptures and afflictions.
07/05/2008 04:42:16 * Samwise projectile hurks on the BoED
07/05/2008 04:42:21 ‹Saracenus› evil = Russ
07/05/2008 04:42:31 ‹James Jacobs› Alignment should be something that is decided by role play... Alignment should not DECIDE role play.
07/05/2008 04:42:31 ‹Lilith› Daigle: What is the part of the dragon where the breath weapon is believed to originate?
07/05/2008 04:42:54 ‹Russ› There's an organ in dracononicom for that
07/05/2008 04:43:02 ‹Charles Evans› Ah, but those only hurt Evil things, and Paladins are allowed to kill anything evil just because it's evil, or at least some people argue.
07/05/2008 04:43:02 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: I agree with that (so does the hubby). :)
07/05/2008 04:43:06 ‹Daigle› I'd say genitals, but I'm a weird bastard with a massive headache right now.
07/05/2008 04:43:09 ‹James Jacobs› But then... theyv'e got all that awesome Gwynharwyf stuff in the BoED so I can't throw it ALL out. Plus, the courre eladrin is SOOOO CUTE!!!!!!!!!
07/05/2008 04:43:13 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: It might be even better if it wouldn't hold a mechanical importance.
07/05/2008 04:43:29 ‹Samwise› weve inspired James to rant
07/05/2008 04:43:36 ‹cappadocius› I love Rebecca Guay's art.
07/05/2008 04:43:37 ‹Russ› I don't agree entirely. I believe a DM should provide guidance when someone is drifting away from their chosen alignment.
07/05/2008 04:43:45 ‹cappadocius› Can she do some gnome pictures for you guys?
07/05/2008 04:43:48 ‹James Jacobs› http://www.wizards.com/dnd/ima...103.jpg
07/05/2008 04:43:51 ‹Samwise› the fun part is, so far he is saying everything I would :-P
07/05/2008 04:43:51 ‹cappadocius› Cold Call her!
07/05/2008 04:43:54 ‹James Jacobs› HEE HEE! YAY!
07/05/2008 04:43:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I liked the firre in 2nd edition AD & D.
07/05/2008 04:44:43 ‹James Jacobs› Rebecca Guay might be out of our price range too... I'll find out though.
07/05/2008 04:44:48 ‹clight101› It was fun guys but I gotta get some sleep, thanks for the very enjoyable conversation
07/05/2008 04:44:54 ‹James Jacobs› Her art style is pretty different from what we use in Pathfinder though...
07/05/2008 04:44:59 ‹seekerofshadowlight› night clight
07/05/2008 04:45:02 ‹Pygon› gnite clight
07/05/2008 04:45:04 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight clight101
07/05/2008 04:45:12 ‹yoda8myhead› we've been playing STAP with Alignment points that work like action points, but you earn them for doing deeds that are L/C/G/E and they can only be spent to do an act of the same alignment. It added a level of crunch to alignment and has been great at getting everyone to 1) discover their character's alignment and 2) stick to it once they have it
07/05/2008 04:45:22 ‹Daigle› goodnight clight!
07/05/2008 04:45:30 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, please don't get Guay.
07/05/2008 04:45:54 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Rebecca Guay for ilustrating something to do wth dreams or ancient history/myth?
07/05/2008 04:45:54 ‹Ross› There's a reason there are perpetual petitions to get her to stop doing Magic art. She's talented and all, but she doesn't match anyone else's work.
07/05/2008 04:45:58 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, you *did* say you like to change things up from time to time.
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07/05/2008 04:46:06 ‹James Jacobs› http://wizards.com/dnd/images/...016.jpg
07/05/2008 04:46:14 ‹cappadocius› I think she'd be great for gnomes/First World stuff.
07/05/2008 04:46:22 ‹cappadocius› She'd *fit* those.
07/05/2008 04:46:23 ‹James Jacobs› That's my favorite illo for one of them, though. Mostly cause that's from the book I helped write.
07/05/2008 04:46:29 ‹Russ› It isn't really as simple as doing good makes you good, though. For good alignment, intentions matter.
07/05/2008 04:46:32 ‹Deussu› For any scenic pictures I'd choose Rob Alexander.
07/05/2008 04:46:35 ‹Pygon› yay Ruins of Greyhawk
04:46:52 ‹Russ› I'd say for evil, intentions don't matter nearly as much, but Cugel the Clever, the iconic CN, did some pretty evil stuff
07/05/2008 04:46:55 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. If yu have something you want to look alien anyway, in second darkness, maybe you could Guay that.
07/05/2008 04:47:15 ‹yoda8myhead› russ: we base it off intention. Thus a character can get a L/C/G point for a NG act, depending how they approached it
07/05/2008 04:47:38 ‹cappadocius› I like whatsisname the Iconic Artist, but his art is so *busy*
07/05/2008 04:48:04 ‹yoda8myhead› if you do an evil act as a neutral character, you get an evil point, but you can choose to never spend it to do another evil act
07/05/2008 04:48:17 ‹Samwise› Russ>i think to some degree, part of the problem with the "iconic" CN concept, is that despite best efforts, chaos just plain tends towards evil via destruction
07/05/2008 04:48:18 ‹yoda8myhead› and spending a point never earns you another, so it's not perpetual
07/05/2008 04:48:20 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 04:48:22 ‹cappadocius› Give me a Guay, a Hempel, or a Quitely any day.
07/05/2008 04:48:32 ‹Samwise› and law just tends towards good as a reflection
07/05/2008 04:48:34 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> Any tidbits about Alpha 3 that you are allowed to releas?
07/05/2008 04:48:55 ‹Pygon› or any word on Alpha 2 errata?
07/05/2008 04:48:55 ‹Deussu› Right, off to work with me. ->
07/05/2008 04:49:04 ‹Pygon› bye Deussu
07/05/2008 04:49:06 ‹Russ› LN tends towards the unpleasant just as much, really.
07/05/2008 04:49:09 ‹Russ› Look at Korvosa :)
07/05/2008 04:49:11 ‹James Jacobs› Once upon a time... I was working on a campaign setting for Bastion Press that never came to be, and that one had a SUPER COMPLEX alignment system. You basically got "ranks" in various alignments and sub alignments, and got skills and penalties based on them. If you had ranks in opposing types... you had more penalties. If you had ranks in synergestic types... you had less penalties.
07/05/2008 04:49:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› tidbits would be nice
07/05/2008 04:49:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› I don't think chaotic destruction is any closer to evil than lawful righteous smiting.
07/05/2008 04:49:17 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Deussu
07/05/2008 04:49:18 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, I'm trying to come up with good lost beings in Pathfinder to use as world specific vestiges for Binders. I'm currently looking at Lissala, goddess of runes, Curchanus, god of beasts, and Aroden as vestiges or just their lost clerics. Do you have any suggestions for where else to look?
07/05/2008 04:49:20 ‹cappadocius› LN gets about as much play from me as CN.
07/05/2008 04:49:25 ‹Russ› LN is not a nice alignment. It just tends to be more harmless in parties.
07/05/2008 04:49:30 ‹yoda8myhead› Samwise> I'm playing a LN rakasta now who is set on restoring his nearly extict race to glory on the Isle f Dread and I'm starting to lean towards evil if it ensures their success
07/05/2008 04:49:30 ‹Daigle› James: Are there any human races/cultures that didn't make it into the Gaz?
07/05/2008 04:49:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite Deussu,
07/05/2008 04:49:52 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Will we be seeing more good outsiders?
07/05/2008 04:49:54 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> Bards in Alpha 3 have more spells. And their bardic music works differently if you use dance or acting or non-music stuff to make it happen.
07/05/2008 04:49:58 ‹Lilith› And more cosmology stuffs!
07/05/2008 04:50:00 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Did that bastion press system inspire the sin effects in Runelords #5 in the runeforge?
07/05/2008 04:50:01 ‹Ross› Samwise, you only think that if you're lawful.
07/05/2008 04:50:09 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Not really. All the human races/cultures we wanted are in the Gaz.
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07/05/2008 04:50:36 ‹James Jacobs› LN is actually one of my FAVORITE villain alignments. CE is my absolute favorite, but LN is my 2nd favorite.
07/05/2008 04:50:38 ‹Daigle› Interesting Bard stuff there!
07/05/2008 04:50:47 ‹Samwise› Ross>no, its been pretty much inherent in the alignment descriptions from the start
07/05/2008 04:51:03 ‹Rambling Scribe› I loves me some LN villains.
07/05/2008 04:51:05 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> The Peacock Spirit would make a GREAT vestige.
07/05/2008 04:51:17 ‹Ross› Samwise, Law is not inherently good, nor the reverse.
07/05/2008 04:51:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› LN make great villains
07/05/2008 04:51:33 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 04:51:34 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, cool, thank you!
07/05/2008 04:51:34 ‹Samwise› Ross>it is not supposed to be
07/05/2008 04:51:43 ‹James Jacobs› And honestly... msot of the vestiges in the Tome of Magic work too. TRIVIA TIME: Chupleclops came from a nightmare I had that I told Matt Sernett about and he put him in the book!
07/05/2008 04:51:46 ‹Samwise› it functionally has those effects
07/05/2008 04:51:48 ‹yoda8myhead› by nature a Lawful character will work better with a group because they like structure
07/05/2008 04:51:52 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I know a nice woman on a Magic forum Her sig reads 'Kill anything LN. It's more evil than CE.'
07/05/2008 04:51:53 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes. THere will be more good outsiders.
07/05/2008 04:51:58 ‹yoda8myhead› now, with an all chaotic group it would be different
07/05/2008 04:51:59 * cappadocius likes a good Neutral Good villain.
07/05/2008 04:52:02 ‹cappadocius› But I'm disruptive.
07/05/2008 04:52:07 ‹James Jacobs› We actually just came up with "race" names for our NG and CG outsiders.
07/05/2008 04:52:17 ‹cappadocius› Ooo!
07/05/2008 04:52:20 ‹Charles Evans› Khelben Blackstaff in FR.... Urggh. LN.
07/05/2008 04:52:25 ‹Daigle› Rockin!
07/05/2008 04:52:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Tell tell! :cookie: :cookie:
07/05/2008 04:52:31 ‹Hill Giant› yoda8myhead: a LN character is also mor elikely to ostracise someone from their group
07/05/2008 04:52:32 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The bastion press system did inspire the sin effects a little, yeah.
07/05/2008 04:52:34 ‹Samwise› eladinals and guardrins
07/05/2008 04:52:38 ‹Samwise› :-P
07/05/2008 04:52:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh yes do tell
07/05/2008 04:52:59 ‹James Jacobs› Let's see...
07/05/2008 04:53:04 ‹Hill Giant› Are the race names real-world or fabricated?
07/05/2008 04:53:07 ‹Charles Evans› :)
07/05/2008 04:53:08 ‹Russ› What, you didn't make them all angels, even for the evil alignments?
07/05/2008 04:53:09 ‹James Jacobs› We've got devils, daemons, and demons on the evil side...
07/05/2008 04:53:19 ‹James Jacobs› On the good side, we can't use guardinal or eladrin of course.
07/05/2008 04:53:23 ‹Absinth› James, are the Lands of the Linnorm Kings a viking-inspired culture? There's mentioning on "raiders from the north" somewhere in the Varisia write-up.
07/05/2008 04:53:24 ‹cappadocius› MATT DAEMON!
07/05/2008 04:53:27 ‹James Jacobs› We can still use archons for LG outsiders.
07/05/2008 04:53:40 ‹Saracenus› The Bjorn Idenity
07/05/2008 04:53:45 * Samwise drops 4 e-tons of books on Russ
07/05/2008 04:53:45 ‹James Jacobs› And angels are ALL good... they're a weird category that doesn't have a similar one in the evil side.
07/05/2008 04:53:46 ‹psymin› I hope daemons do important tasks in the background.
07/05/2008 04:53:48 ‹Ross› Samwise, I'm lawful personally. I'd like to agree with you, but it's not true. Law for Law's sake frequently stands int he way of Good.
07/05/2008 04:53:54 ‹Charles Evans› :)
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07/05/2008 04:54:01 ‹Moth working› Nings and Cigs!
07/05/2008 04:54:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy Tim!
07/05/2008 04:54:12 ‹Pygon› vikings and titans!
07/05/2008 04:54:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey tim
07/05/2008 04:54:17 ‹James Jacobs› For NG, we're calling our outsiders Agathions.
07/05/2008 04:54:18 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agathion
07/05/2008 04:54:25 ‹Absinth› Hi Tim!
07/05/2008 04:54:26 ‹yoda8myhead› yankees and jets
07/05/2008 04:54:30 ‹James Jacobs› They were a monster in the 1st edition MM2.
07/05/2008 04:54:30 ‹Samwise› Ross>i am aware of that, i am also aware that Good for Good's sake can be as violent and destructive as Evil
07/05/2008 04:54:35 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs mentioned something like Empyreans in an earlier post.
07/05/2008 04:54:39 ‹Timitius› 'Lo all!
07/05/2008 04:54:39 ‹James Jacobs› That never really went far.
07/05/2008 04:54:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Keen! That reminds me of tanuki
07/05/2008 04:54:43 ‹Samwise› James>yes, i recall them
07/05/2008 04:55:02 ‹Samwise› i was wondering about reusing the name, is it generic enough for such use?
07/05/2008 04:55:04 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Timitius
07/05/2008 04:55:09 ‹James Jacobs› The tough unique angels are going to be called Empyrial Lords. They're the good guy version of demon lords and the like.
07/05/2008 04:55:17 ‹Moth working› Don't recall Agathions, but sounds cool.
07/05/2008 04:55:18 ‹Ross› Samwise, how so? If you mean Crusades, then that's not good for good's sake. It's good for the sake of combating evil.
07/05/2008 04:55:19 ‹cappadocius› Ohhh.
07/05/2008 04:55:21 ‹Lilith› TIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEH! :squee: :thug: :glomp:
07/05/2008 04:55:28 ‹cappadocius› okay, so Angels, Agathions, and...?
07/05/2008 04:55:29 ‹Russ› I use kind of gygax take on good outsiders. They're really a&*##!~s.
07/05/2008 04:55:30 ‹Timitius› CE: How's it shakin'?
07/05/2008 04:55:31 ‹Samwise› Ross>its difficult to explain in a chat room though, particularly with lag
07/05/2008 04:55:42 ‹James Jacobs› As for our chaotic good outsiders, like the eladrin and the like: They're asuras.
07/05/2008 04:55:54 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asura
07/05/2008 04:55:54 ‹Samwise› Russ>so do i
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07/05/2008 04:56:01 ‹Charles Evans› Timitius: :sleep: Long day.
07/05/2008 04:56:02 ‹cappadocius› Asuras! Sweet.
07/05/2008 04:56:06 ‹Timitius› Lilith, Awwww, shucks.:squee:
07/05/2008 04:56:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› Bit of information overload on that Agathion link...
07/05/2008 04:56:10 ‹Blazej› Do the Empyrial Lords grant spells to clerics?
07/05/2008 04:56:11 ‹Moth working› Oh, good choice on Asuras
07/05/2008 04:56:14 ‹yoda8myhead› will there be CN and LN outsiders like slaad?
07/05/2008 04:56:24 ‹Russ› I was wondering if you'd pick asuras.
07/05/2008 04:56:27 ‹cappadocius› I think there is one Empyrial Lord in the big 20, Blaze.
07/05/2008 04:56:34 ‹Samwise› Ross>no, Crusades can very much be Good for the sake of Good, and they can be directed against other types of Good
07/05/2008 04:56:37 ‹James Jacobs› So; yeah. They have names taken from real world myth. ALSO: All the good guy races have names that start with an A. The evils have names that start wtih D. Whihc is fun.
07/05/2008 04:56:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: The beatific ones are asuras then, as mentioned in PF #9...:P Awesome. :D
07/05/2008 04:56:41 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Tome Archons still, also in the celestial hierarchy?
07/05/2008 04:56:42 ‹Absinth› James, can we expect some stuff on the various outsiders in the Gods&Religions book?
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07/05/2008 04:56:47 ‹Russ› So will you be keeping them as the same as devas, or are devas angels?
07/05/2008 04:56:52 ‹Samwise› James>ah hah! sneaky ;)
07/05/2008 04:57:03 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli...
07/05/2008 04:57:06 ‹Russ› Er? The beatific ones are evil
07/05/2008 04:57:08 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I am down on my knees begging you to come up with something other than those stupid ant-centaurs for LN outsiders.
07/05/2008 04:57:12 ‹Russ› I thought
07/05/2008 04:57:13 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Perhaps... they'll probably be ret-conned into fallen asuras or something. Not sure yet.
07/05/2008 04:57:20 ‹ollibolli› good morning from Germany
07/05/2008 04:57:23 ‹James Jacobs› Tome archons are still LG. Still usable.
07/05/2008 04:57:27 ‹Pygon› Aasimar and Dieflings... hmm.. no.
07/05/2008 04:57:30 ‹Moth working› Cool, nice symmetry
07/05/2008 04:57:38 ‹Russ› Formians have potential
07/05/2008 04:57:38 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Either way, they do mention that they can summon asuras. :)
07/05/2008 04:57:50 ‹Samwise› modrons!
07/05/2008 04:57:56 * Samwise weeps for the lost modrons
07/05/2008 04:57:59 ‹cappadocius› Formians are just so incredibly lame when compared to Modrons and Inevitables.
07/05/2008 04:58:01 ‹James Jacobs› There are fomorians in the game... but I don't like them much. We'll have something else. LN race, I believe, will be called axians, I think.
07/05/2008 04:58:06 ‹James Jacobs› Our CN race are the proteans.
07/05/2008 04:58:16 ‹James Jacobs› Devas are still angels.
07/05/2008 04:58:17 * cappadocius has everything for Modrons "published" for 3.x
07/05/2008 04:58:32 ‹James Jacobs› Archons (lawful good) are led by archon kings and queens.
07/05/2008 04:58:35 ‹Ross› A comment of Angels not having an Evil mirror: It's because Angels are meant to fill out the thin ranks on all three Godo branches, while evil can just get new monster books.
07/05/2008 04:58:37 ‹Pygon› for Aiur!
07/05/2008 04:58:37 ‹psymin› I hope white wolf doesn't own that common term .. blah
07/05/2008 04:58:42 ‹James Jacobs› Agathions are led by scions.
07/05/2008 04:58:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I meant to ask if the Tome Archons count as Empyriel Lords, or at least the top one, Zaphkiel?
07/05/2008 04:58:49 ‹James Jacobs› Asuras are led by asura lords.
07/05/2008 04:58:51 ‹Blazej› How do you pronounce "proteans?"
07/05/2008 04:58:58 ‹James Jacobs› Angels are led by Empyrial lords.
07/05/2008 04:59:11 ‹Samwise› "slaad" :D
07/05/2008 04:59:13 ‹psymin› Blazej> Pro tea ehnz?
07/05/2008 04:59:20 ‹Lilith› Blazej: pro-tee-enz
07/05/2008 04:59:19 ‹cappadocius› Blaze: Pro-tee-enz
07/05/2008 04:59:23 ‹cappadocius› like Psymin said.
07/05/2008 04:59:32 ‹cappadocius› and Lilith.
07/05/2008 04:59:34 ‹James Jacobs› Archon kings, empyrial lords, scions, arch devils, demon lords, asura lords, and daemon horsemen are all more or less of the same power level. They can all grant spells to clerics.
07/05/2008 04:59:35 ‹cappadocius› what we said.
07/05/2008 04:59:35 ‹Absinth› Pro-tee-yuns?
07/05/2008 04:59:36 ‹Lilith› cappadocius: Jinx! :headbang:
07/05/2008 04:59:40 ‹James Jacobs› yes
07/05/2008 04:59:43 ‹psymin› and .. oh too late
07/05/2008 04:59:44 ‹James Jacobs› PRO-tee-uns
07/05/2008 04:59:57 * Absinth wins
07/05/2008 05:00:01 ‹Absinth› :)
07/05/2008 05:00:06 ‹psymin› I wonder if White Wolf claims ownership of protean
07/05/2008 05:00:13 ‹psymin› like 'brujah'
07/05/2008 05:00:22 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> More that when 3.5 came around, they invented a separate category for angels but not a corresponding one for fiends.
07/05/2008 05:00:28 ‹James Jacobs› protean is from myth.
07/05/2008 05:00:35 ‹psymin› as is brujah
07/05/2008 05:00:37 ‹cappadocius› White Wolf has their specific uses trademarked.
07/05/2008 05:00:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› So they push the boat in River Into Darjness?
07/05/2008 05:00:44 ‹Rambling Scribe› Darkness even?
07/05/2008 05:00:49 ‹James Jacobs› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protean
07/05/2008 05:00:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Ah. Got you now. I was wondering if the Tome Archons were subserviant to these Empyriel Lords, since you said the Empyriels were the equivalents of the demons lords, but I see where you were going noe.
07/05/2008 05:01:09 ‹psymin› I'm just sayin' .. they have lawyers and like using them on lost causes ..
07/05/2008 05:01:11 ‹James Jacobs› White Wolf can't claim ownership of protean anymore than they can over werewolves or vampires.
07/05/2008 05:01:13 ‹Charles Evans› Tome archons, Lawful, so equivalents of ranking devils.
07/05/2008 05:01:16 ‹Timitius› What James, you got a volume of wiki links at hand or somethin'?
07/05/2008 05:01:32 ‹cappadocius› White Wolf can claim ownership of /their specific usages/
07/05/2008 05:01:34 ‹James Jacobs› ANYWAY... Our proteans will be pretty different than White Wolf's. Mostly because I'm not sure what White Wolf's do.
07/05/2008 05:01:46 ‹cappadocius› Protean is a powerset, Mr. Jacobs.
07/05/2008 05:01:55 ‹James Jacobs› Wikipedia is the busy editor's friend.
07/05/2008 05:02:05 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I know the group was invented for 3.5, but what I mean is that there are relatively few 'Any evil' outsiders around compared to 'any good'.
07/05/2008 05:02:09 ‹cappadocius› A Supernatural Ability.
07/05/2008 05:02:14 ‹James Jacobs› Well... in Pathfinder, protean is the name of a race of CN outsiders.
07/05/2008 05:02:19 ‹cappadocius› Right.
07/05/2008 05:02:24 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Yes.
07/05/2008 05:02:32 ‹James Jacobs› Which is kinda neat, honestly.
07/05/2008 05:02:32 ‹cappadocius› So no crossover, no lawsuits, everyone's happy and we all get to roll funny dice!
07/05/2008 05:02:45 ‹James Jacobs› I like there being an "any good" category of outsider.
07/05/2008 05:02:53 ‹Timitius› My dice are WAY serious.
07/05/2008 05:03:02 ‹Moth working› So James, will your Asuras resemble mythical asuras, will they resemble eladrin, or will they be something else?
07/05/2008 05:03:08 ‹Hill Giant› Does Golarian have a Proteus?
07/05/2008 05:03:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› So most monsters aren't "any good"?
07/05/2008 05:03:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› :razz:
07/05/2008 05:03:33 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, it is neat. I'm one of those obsessives who tries to figure out world laws from game mechanics, so I take Angels as a sign that good, by its nature, has an easier time getting along with each other than Evil.
07/05/2008 05:03:35 ‹Samwise› what about an any lawful or any chaotic?
07/05/2008 05:03:39 ‹yoda8myhead› most monsters ain't no good, correct
07/05/2008 05:03:43 * Charles Evans :fishslap:s RS.
07/05/2008 05:03:49 ‹James Jacobs› Our Asuras will include the creatures previously known as eladrins. They'll also include some of the mythical asuras. They'll ALSO probably include things like valkries.
07/05/2008 05:03:58 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion does not have a Proteus.
07/05/2008 05:04:08 ‹cappadocius› Will there be any Vudran Asura "gods"?
07/05/2008 05:04:14 ‹Charles Evans› RS: Bad pun.:)
07/05/2008 05:04:27 ‹Rambling Scribe› Is there any other kind?
07/05/2008 05:04:36 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Yes. They'll probably be members of the asura lords.
07/05/2008 05:04:40 ‹James Jacobs› and ladies.
07/05/2008 05:04:51 ‹Hill Giant› I'm only good if you pay me. RS, he's good for nothing.
07/05/2008 05:05:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› :lol:
07/05/2008 05:05:11 * cappadocius yays.
07/05/2008 05:05:12 ‹James Jacobs› We'll have names, as well, for the subcategories. Just as D&D has DEMON>tanar'ri or DEMON>obyrith; we'll have something like ASURA>????
07/05/2008 05:05:17 ‹Charles Evans› RS: Hmmm. I'm not sre about that. Just gone 06:00 here.
07/05/2008 05:05:17 ‹Pygon› really good nothing though
07/05/2008 05:05:19 ‹James Jacobs› Not sure what those names will be yet, though.
07/05/2008 05:05:33 ‹cappadocius› Actually... can Great Old Ones be the CN "demon lords"?
07/05/2008 05:05:37 ‹Absinth› James, are the Lands of the Linnorm Kings a viking-inspired culture? There's mentioning on "raiders from the north" somewhere in the Varisia write-up.
07/05/2008 05:05:39 ‹James Jacobs› Nope
07/05/2008 05:05:40 ‹cappadocius› even if they're not actually CN?
07/05/2008 05:05:43 ‹James Jacobs› Great old ones are not demon lords.
07/05/2008 05:05:44 ‹Charles Evans› Doe freeti still live in the elemental plane of fire?
07/05/2008 05:05:44 ‹cappadocius› Curses.
07/05/2008 05:05:47 ‹James Jacobs› They're aliens.
07/05/2008 05:06:00 ‹cappadocius› Well, Empyreal Lords aren't demon lords either!
07/05/2008 05:06:02 ‹Charles Evans› (E)freeti
07/05/2008 05:06:05 ‹Timitius› Dimensional aliens.
07/05/2008 05:06:12 ‹James Jacobs› THe majority of the Great Old Ones actually dwell in the Material Plane, in fact. Yog-Sothoth's in the Astral Plane, of coruse.
07/05/2008 05:06:18 ‹cappadocius› Jacobs: Outer Gods, then? Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth and Nyarlathotep?
07/05/2008 05:06:27 ‹James Jacobs› Efreety do indeed dwell on the plane of fire.
07/05/2008 05:06:43 ‹James Jacobs› Azathoth is at the center of the universe. He MIGHT be the positive material plane; that'd be wild!
07/05/2008 05:06:50 ‹Charles Evans› :w00t:
07/05/2008 05:06:52 * Rambling Scribe almost got his ass kicked by an Efreet tonight...
07/05/2008 05:06:54 ‹cappadocius› That would be wild...
07/05/2008 05:06:58 * cappadocius chews on that.
07/05/2008 05:07:00 ‹James Jacobs› Nyarlathotep is floating around wherever Azathoth is.
07/05/2008 05:07:07 ‹James Jacobs› Yog-Sothoth is in the Astral plane.
07/05/2008 05:07:11 ‹cappadocius› He was Aroden!
07/05/2008 05:07:22 ‹cappadocius› Good old Toe-Tapper. Always sneaking in under the radar.
07/05/2008 05:07:22 ‹Hill Giant› What are Golarions inner planes like?
07/05/2008 05:07:28 ‹James Jacobs› Shub-Niggurath is... hmmm. dunno. She's trouble.
07/05/2008 05:07:30 ‹Charles Evans› Is Yog Sothoth neutrally aligned?
07/05/2008 05:07:44 ‹cappadocius› Yoggy is technically LN.
07/05/2008 05:07:50 ‹ollibolli› Hastur?
07/05/2008 05:07:58 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion's inner planes are pretty much the same as normal. ALL of those planes are implied by spells, for example. Four elemental planes, shadow plane, ethereal, positive, and negative.
07/05/2008 05:07:59 ‹Lilith› Hastur?
07/05/2008 05:08:07 ‹psymin› Hastur!
07/05/2008 05:08:07 ‹cappadocius› Hastur's CN.
07/05/2008 05:08:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› :cthulhu:
07/05/2008 05:08:08 ‹James Jacobs› Yog-Sothoth is probably all alignmnets.
07/05/2008 05:08:15 ‹Samwise› para- and quasi- elemental?
05:08:27 ‹cappadocius› Elemental Acid?
07/05/2008 05:08:36 ‹cappadocius› Elemental Sonic?
07/05/2008 05:08:38 ‹Charles Evans› Paladins of Yog-Sothoth????
07/05/2008 05:08:45 ‹cappadocius› Charles: We can only hope!
07/05/2008 05:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› Honestly... my gut reaction would be that the majority of the Great Old Ones are probably Chaotic Evil. The majority of the Outer Gods are Chaotic Neutral (With nyarlathotep being the exception: Chaotic evil for him!).
07/05/2008 05:09:02 ‹cappadocius› Hm.
07/05/2008 05:09:10 ‹James Jacobs› No elemental acid or sonic. Those are energy types, not places.
07/05/2008 05:09:16 ‹cappadocius› See, I think Evil involves a certain level of malice.
07/05/2008 05:09:24 ‹James Jacobs› We'll probably have something akin to the paraelemental or quazielemental planes.
07/05/2008 05:09:32 ‹James Jacobs› I agree, cappa. Nyarlathotep is all about malice.
07/05/2008 05:09:35 ‹cappadocius› The Toe-Tapper might be Evil, but the rest... I dunno. Transcend Alignment?
07/05/2008 05:09:44 ‹James Jacobs› He's the most malevolent of ALL Lovecraft's deities.
07/05/2008 05:09:54 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is closing shop
07/05/2008 05:09:57 ‹cappadocius› He's really the ONLY malevolent one.
07/05/2008 05:10:06 ‹James Jacobs› Cthulhu is malevolent.
07/05/2008 05:10:14 ‹cappadocius› Cthulhu is inimical.
07/05/2008 05:10:17 * yoda8myhead needs to read more Lovecraft :-(
07/05/2008 05:10:21 ‹cappadocius› his cultists are malevolent.
07/05/2008 05:10:23 ‹James Jacobs› Especially if you read his role in "Mountains of Madness."
07/05/2008 05:10:26 ‹Charles Evans› Cthulhu is a high-priest.
07/05/2008 05:10:55 ‹cappadocius› Cthulhu is no more evil in "Mountains of Madness" than John Smith was evil in Pocahontas!
07/05/2008 05:11:00 ‹cappadocius› Both are just colonists!
07/05/2008 05:11:05 ‹cappadocius› who get into fights with the natives.
07/05/2008 05:11:14 ‹James Jacobs› John Smith is evil, though! You proved my point! :)
07/05/2008 05:11:19 ‹Charles Evans› :-?
07/05/2008 05:11:22 * cappadocius shakes his fist.
07/05/2008 05:11:52 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: We get to side step the "is Cthulhu evil?" question in Pathfinder... since he's imprisoned on EARTH, not Golarion! :)
07/05/2008 05:11:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Paladins of Yog Sothoth possible, if Yog Sothoth is all alignments?
07/05/2008 05:12:03 ‹James Jacobs› I was joking about taht.
07/05/2008 05:12:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yog Sothoth is either CN or CE.
07/05/2008 05:12:17 ‹Charles Evans› :(
07/05/2008 05:12:21 ‹cappadocius› yeah, and Tsathoggua and Yig are Earth-bound, too.
07/05/2008 05:12:23 ‹cappadocius› A shame.
07/05/2008 05:12:25 ‹James Jacobs› All of the outer gods are tied with the primal chaos and entropy and all that.
07/05/2008 05:12:37 ‹James Jacobs› <shrug> There's plenty of the names who aren't earht bound.
07/05/2008 05:12:59 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... Yig might be a special case. They've done enough with him in Freeport that we might be able to swing putting him on Golarion without it seeming too weird.
07/05/2008 05:13:03 ‹Daigle› ...and it all comes back around. :)
07/05/2008 05:13:25 ‹yoda8myhead› how many suns does golarion have, and if just one, is there a name of the star?
07/05/2008 05:13:27 ‹Charles Evans› One of those Paladin of Freedom thingummies of Yog-Sothoth then, roaming the world and planes where-ever they feel like it, overthrowing tyrannies?
07/05/2008 05:13:33 ‹James Jacobs› And Tsathoggua is a Clark Ashton Smith critter who appeared in his Hyborea stories, IIRC... and those are ALL ABOUT the D&D...
07/05/2008 05:13:45 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Want to know more about the other planets! Wants it!
07/05/2008 05:13:48 ‹James Jacobs› eew... the variant paladins in Unearthed Arcana are yucky.
07/05/2008 05:13:56 ‹cappadocius› Hyborea is on Earth, though.
07/05/2008 05:14:04 ‹Charles Evans› :lol:
07/05/2008 05:14:14 ‹ollibolli› James Jacobs: Any news on the German translation front?
07/05/2008 05:14:17 ‹James Jacobs› More about the other planets in Pathfinder 14! In fact... we'll be having a BIG MEETING on Monday in which the editorial pit will be deciding what our planets are like!
07/05/2008 05:14:24 * cappadocius invented CG "Crusaders" for his desert kingdom in his Heartbreaker setting.
07/05/2008 05:14:24 ‹James Jacobs› No news, alas, ollibolli. :(
07/05/2008 05:14:40 ‹ollibolli› Any news on Erik's announcement?
07/05/2008 05:14:42 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Theoretically Paladin of Freedom of Yog-Sothoth, if the Yogster is CN?
07/05/2008 05:15:12 ‹Moth working› A big SECRET meeting?
07/05/2008 05:15:13 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: SWEEEEEEEEEEET! :excite:
07/05/2008 05:15:22 ‹James Jacobs› Hyborea is on Earth, sure... but the stories are separated from Earth by being in the distant past. If we can have medusas and chimeras and rakshasas... we can certainly have creatures from literature... from Tsathogua in the past even to morlocks in the future.
07/05/2008 05:15:23 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: A good
May 6th 2008, part 3
07/05/2008 05:18:06 ‹Saracenus› Why?
07/05/2008 05:18:11 ‹Daigle› I love those silly jermlane
07/05/2008 05:18:13 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: ANY QUESTIONS for US?
07/05/2008 05:18:18 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: I very, VERY strongly suspect we'll have stats for morlocks as one of the (probably 5) new monsters in "Into the Darklands."
07/05/2008 05:18:20 ‹Saracenus› The term paladin existed before D&D
07/05/2008 05:18:27 ‹James Jacobs› Questions for you... hmmm.
07/05/2008 05:18:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Saracenus, just do ... seems wronge somehow
07/05/2008 05:18:41 ‹Moth working› Me Grimlock kick you me grimlock butt!
07/05/2008 05:18:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› I like to mix a little gibberling flvaour into my grimlocks...
07/05/2008 05:18:56 ‹Saracenus› Ah, you must break free of your chains brother...
07/05/2008 05:19:05 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 05:19:10 ‹James Jacobs› I don't want folk to let that go; the D&D paladin is iconic.
07/05/2008 05:19:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol i just dont like it being the same class is all
07/05/2008 05:19:20 ‹Timitius› Grimlock's head hurt. Funny moth saying weird stuff.
07/05/2008 05:19:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› see james understands=P~
07/05/2008 05:19:44 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
07/05/2008 05:19:44 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 05:19:51 * cappadocius shares some Japanese monsters for people who want to practice monster making for the PF Oriental Adventures open call. ;)
07/05/2008 05:19:53 ‹Moth working› Grimlock's head hurt too...
07/05/2008 05:19:54 ‹Saracenus› James is a heathen
07/05/2008 05:19:55 ‹cappadocius› http://www.obakemono.com/
07/05/2008 05:20:11 ‹Saracenus› No offense
07/05/2008 05:20:12 ‹James Jacobs› That page just got bookmarked by me.
07/05/2008 05:20:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Saracenus, says the heathen lol
07/05/2008 05:20:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› The whatnow?
07/05/2008 05:20:34 ‹Timitius› Let us Grimlocks go for icey cold beer now! :beer: :beer:
07/05/2008 05:20:37 ‹yoda8myhead› RS> no, just a joke
07/05/2008 05:20:45 ‹James Jacobs› That site ROCKS!
05:20:50 ‹Charles Evans› .
07/05/2008 05:20:52 ‹Daigle› Good find cappa
07/05/2008 05:21:02 * Charles Evans has to go soon....
07/05/2008 05:21:04 ‹cappadocius› I've had that bookmarked for ages. ;)
07/05/2008 05:21:06 ‹Moth working› Yay! Grimlock thank Grimlock! Cheer!
07/05/2008 05:21:21 ‹Moth working› Hey, good site Cappa
07/05/2008 05:21:23 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that is a good site indeed
07/05/2008 05:21:33 ‹James Jacobs› Not only did I bookmark it... I emailed it to myself at work.
07/05/2008 05:21:35 * Charles Evans waits to discover if there are any questions....
07/05/2008 05:21:39 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles> are the rest of your keys broken? or you're ... wait for it ... on your period?
07/05/2008 05:21:55 ‹yoda8myhead› James> email it to Logue and Mike
07/05/2008 05:21:59 ‹Timitius› :fishslap:
07/05/2008 05:21:59 ‹Moth working› Yoda - nice
07/05/2008 05:22:10 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: I am at hiome, in the UK, havng waited up most the night for PF.
07/05/2008 05:22:15 ‹cappadocius› I kinda wish the Speculative Dinosaur project webpage wasn't horribly broken.
07/05/2008 05:22:31 ‹cappadocius› 100 million year old species in a modern "lost world" make no sense to me.
07/05/2008 05:22:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles: I just saw a long string of periods coming from you and wanted to make sure the keyboard still worked
07/05/2008 05:22:48 ‹James Jacobs› I can't think of any questions, honestly...
07/05/2008 05:22:59 ‹Charles Evans› Okay. Goodnight then.
07/05/2008 05:23:02 ‹Ross› Oriental Adventures open call? I'm certain you're joking, but did I miss something?
07/05/2008 05:23:06 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, jam or apple butter?
07/05/2008 05:23:07 ‹James Jacobs› Actaully...
07/05/2008 05:23:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite charles
07/05/2008 05:23:10 * Charles Evans waves to everyone... :cthulhu:
07/05/2008 05:23:14 ‹Timitius› :D
07/05/2008 05:23:16 ‹Lilith› OA open call? :D Where?
07/05/2008 05:23:22 ‹yoda8myhead› ross> you missed the wishful thinking
07/05/2008 05:23:24 ‹Charles Evans› Paladins of freedom of Yog-Sothoth!
07/05/2008 05:23:29 ‹James Jacobs› The only question I can think about off the top of my head is "DOES anyone think that embracing Morlocks is a good or a bad idea?"
07/05/2008 05:23:31 ‹ollibolli› gn8 charles
07/05/2008 05:23:32 ‹Moth working› see you charles
07/05/2008 05:23:39 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> What kind of jam?
07/05/2008 05:23:40 * Charles Evans departs. :)
07/05/2008 05:23:40 ‹cappadocius› Athachs are Aberrations and Ettins are Giants! WTF!
07/05/2008 05:23:43 * Charles Evans quit
07/05/2008 05:23:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sounds good to me james
07/05/2008 05:23:46 ‹yoda8myhead› embrace away!
07/05/2008 05:23:48 ‹Moth working› I think embracing Morlcoks is a bad idea: They might bite you
07/05/2008 05:24:02 ‹James Jacobs› Even morlocks need love.
07/05/2008 05:24:03 ‹Timitius› Ummmm. Strawberry? <oops>
07/05/2008 05:24:04 ‹Moth working› But I'd like to see them in PF
07/05/2008 05:24:06 ‹Ross› I like Morlocks.
07/05/2008 05:24:09 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: Morlocks are kind of inextricably linked with being from the future in my mind. That's my main concern.
07/05/2008 05:24:13 ‹Lilith› Morlock embrace: they might bite....but I think they'd be awesome to see.
07/05/2008 05:24:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh one thing i would like to ask when ya get around to moster books
07/05/2008 05:24:27 ‹yoda8myhead› I think they'd be cool as a bestiary entry, but a whole adventure on them might be a bit much
07/05/2008 05:24:28 ‹James Jacobs› http://homerderby.com/wp-conte...s-2.jpg
07/05/2008 05:24:32 ‹James Jacobs› Those guys just need hugs!
07/05/2008 05:24:36 ‹Ross› The meantion of which has made me wonder how to fix the 'everyone has darkvision' problem. Somehow.
07/05/2008 05:24:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› would paizo consider doing 1 per page 2e style
07/05/2008 05:24:46 ‹Pygon› permission denied :(
07/05/2008 05:24:46 ‹Daigle› linky no worky
07/05/2008 05:24:48 ‹James Jacobs› Jam, then.
07/05/2008 05:24:51 ‹cappadocius› 403 Permission Denied.
07/05/2008 05:24:52 ‹yoda8myhead› permission denied
07/05/2008 05:24:56 ‹Russ› Deep gnomes are more of a norse thing than a morlocky thing.
07/05/2008 05:25:04 ‹Absinth› Your link-fu is weak, James...:)
07/05/2008 05:25:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep cant go there myself
07/05/2008 05:25:17 ‹yoda8myhead› if it's not on wikipedia, he has trouble
07/05/2008 05:25:22 * Deussu at work joins Main
07/05/2008 05:25:29 * HG is closing shop changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant
07/05/2008 05:25:53 ‹yoda8myhead› they really *must* need hugs. But they're denied
07/05/2008 05:25:53 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Yeah... that's certainly a concern of mine. My weak link-fu AND the fact that morlocks are tied to the future. But they don't HAVE to be... there's nothing inherently "future" about them, really, as long as they're all the same type of degenerate humanoid.
07/05/2008 05:26:01 ‹James Jacobs› Plus... the name's got so much MYTHIC power to it!
07/05/2008 05:26:08 ‹Deussu at work› hello again
07/05/2008 05:26:12 ‹cappadocius› Well, that's what DEROs are for!
07/05/2008 05:26:26 ‹Moth working› Main problem I see re Morlocks James: we've already got Grimlocks in the srd (obviously based off them) and some of those other critters you mentioned are probably ogc as well - do we need another one?
05:26:33 ‹James Jacobs› seeker> Check out the back of any Pathfidner. That's our prefered monster format. One monster per 2 pages.
07/05/2008 05:26:33 ‹cappadocius› Who needs Morlocks when you've got DEROs?
07/05/2008 05:26:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› :sleep:
07/05/2008 05:26:51 ‹Russ› DEROs are also from the future, or the present, depending
07/05/2008 05:26:56 ‹James Jacobs› Derro fill a TOTALLY different role.
07/05/2008 05:26:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ok james cool haven't gotten to look yet
07/05/2008 05:27:00 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: And please no "a few lines on the other page" stuff!
07/05/2008 05:27:03 ‹Absinth› So, James, we can't access your link because it actually leads into the future? Will it work in 2063? :)
07/05/2008 05:27:08 ‹Samwise› cappadocious>i long ago despaired at the number of creatures with weak monster type assignments simply to get certain type benefits or limits, athachs and ettins indeed!
07/05/2008 05:27:17 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:27:19 ‹Russ› Just so long as we don't drag in thetans
07/05/2008 05:27:25 ‹Moth working› Perhaps it would be a better path to give Grimlocks the cool Paizo re-imaging (or take them back to their roots)
07/05/2008 05:27:26 ‹Deussu at work› 2 pages for 1 monster is a great ideal. I hope you can keep it.
07/05/2008 05:27:33 * Daigle runs to check from the future.
07/05/2008 05:27:33 ‹Timitius› I have been to 2063....internet is old-skool.
07/05/2008 05:27:35 ‹cappadocius› Man, I'd buy *stock* in Paizo if they had a Thetan monster entry.
07/05/2008 05:27:41 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> We don't cotton to the 111 lines of text with a 110 line space. That's unprofessional to have lines bleed over onto the next page, in my opinion.
07/05/2008 05:27:45 ‹Deussu at work› ..Thetan? :P
07/05/2008 05:27:48 ‹cappadocius› and the Demon Lord Xenu.
07/05/2008 05:27:52 ‹Timitius› Run by morlocks, BTW.
07/05/2008 05:27:54 ‹psymin› is Paizo a publicly traded company?
07/05/2008 05:27:58 * Daigle returns.
07/05/2008 05:27:59 ‹cappadocius› Well, Xenu would be a Devil...
07/05/2008 05:28:02 ‹James Jacobs› Moth> Yeah... also? Morlocks are, really not all that different from grimlocks, gibberlings, and the rest.
07/05/2008 05:28:11 ‹James Jacobs› Paizo is not. It's a privately owned company.
07/05/2008 05:28:12 ‹Daigle› Yes. Its on the mediaWeb
07/05/2008 05:28:18 ‹yoda8myhead› Boggards existed before, didn't they? and Redcaps? I don't see why something mustn't be OGC to be reimagined
07/05/2008 05:28:23 ‹cappadocius› I would have Nick Logue's BABIES if we got Thetans and Xenu in PF.
07/05/2008 05:28:31 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: What I meant is that, well... you've seen Monster Manual. Some monsters are divided into separate spread.
07/05/2008 05:28:41 ‹James Jacobs› Wouldn't statting up Thetans get us ground to dust by the Scientologists?
07/05/2008 05:28:54 ‹cappadocius› Well, thetans, yes.
07/05/2008 05:29:03 ‹yoda8myhead› pysmin> I've been wishing it were for some time. I want to buy me a piece of it, and not just the books
07/05/2008 05:29:07 ‹cappadocius› They deny the existence of Xenu in their cosmology, though.
07/05/2008 05:29:12 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> Yeah. That's pretty sloppy, in my mind. Also: Having art scattered haphazardly all over the page is kinda lame too.
07/05/2008 05:29:18 ‹psymin› getting ground to dust would be good publicity though
07/05/2008 05:29:18 ‹cappadocius› Well, they PUBLICALLY deny Xenu.
07/05/2008 05:29:25 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, unless you can prove in court that Pathfinder is as much of a religion as Sc ientology. THink of the free press!
07/05/2008 05:29:41 ‹cappadocius› Actually, yeah.
07/05/2008 05:29:42 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: I'm glad we agree. I sincerely hope to see a well-formatted monster catalog, heh.
07/05/2008 05:29:43 ‹yoda8myhead› james> not if your Thetans were badass and not eveil (cough*like Scientologists*cough)
07/05/2008 05:29:49 ‹James Jacobs› But... but... I don't want Tom Cruise waiting for me in the parking lot with a bycycle chain in one hand and a board with a nail in it in the other!
07/05/2008 05:29:51 * Ross cannot type properly. It is late.
07/05/2008 05:30:02 ‹Pygon› just distract him with a sofa
07/05/2008 05:30:04 ‹cappadocius› Fine, fine, fine.
07/05/2008 05:30:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm off to bed folks. See you tomorrow!
07/05/2008 05:30:11 ‹Deussu at work› Pygon: Hahaha
07/05/2008 05:30:12 ‹cappadocius› Think you could sneak in a Mudkip?
07/05/2008 05:30:15 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe
07/05/2008 05:30:21 * Timitius quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:30:27 ‹cappadocius› Just a little one.
07/05/2008 05:30:35 ‹Russ› FASA got away with the Universal Brotherhood.
07/05/2008 05:30:38 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that when we do our Pathfinder RPG monster book... it'll look more like the Monster Manual since we'll need to fit a LOT of monsters in there. It'd be cool to try to find a way to do one monster per collumn and do two per page, though...
07/05/2008 05:30:38 ‹Hill Giant› Hell jump on you like Oprahs couch!
07/05/2008 05:30:45 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Craig!
07/05/2008 05:30:58 ‹yoda8myhead› That's not why tom cruise would be waiting for you ;-)
07/05/2008 05:31:07 ‹psymin› James Jacobs> How can I help ensure the success of PFRPG?
07/05/2008 05:31:16 ‹cappadocius› Buy everything.
07/05/2008 05:31:19 ‹cappadocius› *Everything*
07/05/2008 05:31:20 ‹Pygon› buy it :)
07/05/2008 05:31:29 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: Better play safe. Having two pages for one monster gives a lot of room for racial tactics, flavor fluff and all that
07/05/2008 05:31:34 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:31:35 * psymin buys cappadocius.
07/05/2008 05:31:35 ‹yoda8myhead› and make your friends buy it
07/05/2008 05:31:37 ‹yoda8myhead› and run games
07/05/2008 05:31:45 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> Buy Paizo stuff! Tell your friends! Run Paizo games! Tell your friendly local game stores to order paizo product!
07/05/2008 05:31:55 ‹Pygon› playtest and feedback would be real helpful too
07/05/2008 05:31:56 ‹yoda8myhead› and destroy all the copies of 3.5 core books you see so people HAVE to get it
07/05/2008 05:32:02 ‹psymin› Thats sounds like an awefully familiar answer ..
07/05/2008 05:32:05 ‹James Jacobs› Deussu> True... but this book would probably need to sacrifice flavor in favor of crunch.
07/05/2008 05:32:20 ‹cappadocius› Also, harrangue the Paizo staff endlessly about the Athach Problem.
07/05/2008 05:32:32 ‹James Jacobs› Which is okay... since we can still do books like Classic Monsters or articles like you see in Pathfinder about the monsters to up the flavor as needed.
07/05/2008 05:32:42 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: Exactly.
07/05/2008 05:32:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i would be happy just to see 1 page per with some ecology info
07/05/2008 05:32:55 ‹James Jacobs› The Athach Problem.
07/05/2008 05:32:57 ‹James Jacobs› Heh.
07/05/2008 05:33:09 ‹James Jacobs› The derro and roper problems remain higher on my list anyway.
07/05/2008 05:33:18 ‹cappadocius› It's the same problem!
07/05/2008 05:33:18 ‹Deussu at work› Roper problem?
07/05/2008 05:33:28 ‹psymin› Oh right .. there is that 3.5 player handbook campaign that another game company is doing .. Will Pathfinder ever do something like that? (send in your old WotC book for credit)
07/05/2008 05:33:31 ‹Deussu at work› "I disbelieve." "And the Roper eats you."
07/05/2008 05:33:32 ‹cappadocius› I just think Athach Problem is a catchier name.
07/05/2008 05:33:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› kill the giant type
07/05/2008 05:33:41 ‹James Jacobs› Also: I'm still vexed that the Tyrannosaurus is less strong than a dire bear. I called shenanigans on that back in the 3.0 alpha playtest, but they didn't listen to me like they did about the implosion spell.
07/05/2008 05:34:09 ‹James Jacobs› Roper Problem: The roper is statted up as a magical beast, not an aberration.
07/05/2008 05:34:12 ‹Hill Giant› implosion?
07/05/2008 05:34:12 ‹cappadocius› A Dire Bear is something like 2.5 tons heavier than the biggest bear that ever lived!
07/05/2008 05:34:25 ‹Ross› Implosion? What did it do before you fixed it?
07/05/2008 05:34:26 ‹Pygon› was implosion more deadly before?
07/05/2008 05:34:27 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: ...what? It is? Nyaaargh!
07/05/2008 05:34:28 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> That's still smaller than a T-Rex.
07/05/2008 05:34:33 ‹cappadocius› I know!
07/05/2008 05:34:36 ‹yoda8myhead› will the alpha (or at least beta) provide conversion rules for HD, feats, etc for the various creature types (outsider, fey, etc)?
07/05/2008 05:35:07 ‹James Jacobs› Implosion wasn't in the game at one point. I suggested its inclusion from the list of quest spells, and presto! It got in!
07/05/2008 05:35:07 ‹cappadocius› No predatory mammal *ever* got as big as the predatory dinosaurs.
07/05/2008 05:35:07 ‹Deussu at work› Monster generation is important, yes, I agree.
07/05/2008 05:35:25 ‹Deussu at work› Since many I know wish to create their unique monsters so they could surprise the players.
07/05/2008 05:35:35 ‹James Jacobs› yoda8> yes. it will.
07/05/2008 05:35:40 ‹psymin› and that means a lot coming from a predatory mammal like cappadocius :P
07/05/2008 05:35:43 ‹cappadocius› The dire animals are on my short list of personal destruction should I ever get a hold of Monster Manual power.
07/05/2008 05:35:47 ‹yoda8myhead› awesome!
07/05/2008 05:35:51 ‹James Jacobs› Which is why I was angry that the T-Rex had a lower stregnth score than the dire bear.
07/05/2008 05:35:51 ‹cappadocius› psymin: Technically, my type is Undead.
07/05/2008 05:35:58 ‹psymin› ahh
07/05/2008 05:36:07 ‹Hill Giant› Is the Roper problem that he keeps walking in on Jack and Chrissy?
07/05/2008 05:36:09 ‹Deussu at work› Like this one time I presented a monster that had a .. "rage aura". So with a failed save people around it went into a rage (as per barbarian rage).
07/05/2008 05:36:11 ‹cappadocius› Vampire, doncha know.
07/05/2008 05:36:23 ‹yoda8myhead› james> maybe in it's jwas, but look at it's arms! It can't bench squat!
07/05/2008 05:36:45 ‹psymin› rings a bell from a decade old memory
07/05/2008 05:36:47 ‹yoda8myhead› lol @ Hill Giant
07/05/2008 05:36:55 ‹Daigle› Hill Giant :lol: !!!
07/05/2008 05:37:31 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: So, I trust I have your support when the time for a PFRPGMM rolls around for fixing these issues with types?
07/05/2008 05:37:40 ‹James Jacobs› It's arms... sure... but it had perhaps the most powerful bite in the animal kingdom ever.
07/05/2008 05:37:54 ‹Russ› Ropers definitely need to be an abber, if abber stays around
07/05/2008 05:37:57 ‹cappadocius› Well, there were some Mosasaurs...
07/05/2008 05:38:20 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Some of them, sure. But not all of them are problems that need fixing.
07/05/2008 05:38:27 ‹yoda8myhead› where would abberation go?
07/05/2008 05:38:30 * cappadocius shakes a fist.
07/05/2008 05:38:32 ‹cappadocius› Curse you!
07/05/2008 05:38:33 ‹Russ› T-rex definitely needs to be stronger than the dire bear.
07/05/2008 05:38:43 ‹cappadocius› Dire Bear needs to GTFO.
07/05/2008 05:38:46 ‹James Jacobs› Abberation... and probably ALL of the monster types will stay around. Even Giant... which probably SHOUDLN'T stay around.
07/05/2008 05:38:58 ‹Russ› Abberation is a bad (as in sucky) type. They get steered away from by designers because their stats suck.
07/05/2008 05:39:04 ‹Deussu at work› Random fact: A bite from a human is often more dangerous than a bite from a cat or a dog. A human bite tends to hold more bacteria and infect the bitten area, causing either an infection or merely an inflammation.
07/05/2008 05:39:05 * cappadocius hopes to see the day when there's a Small Giant.
07/05/2008 05:39:08 ‹Pygon› rangers would be sad
07/05/2008 05:39:10 ‹James Jacobs› Also: That book will be like 34% dinosaur stat blocks. Hope you're all cool with that.
07/05/2008 05:39:11 ‹Hill Giant› There's always PFRPG 2E ;-)
07/05/2008 05:39:12 ‹Ross› I like Giant as a type. What I don't like is the Dwarf/gnome bonus.
07/05/2008 05:39:28 ‹yoda8myhead› who would halflings be trained to kill from birth if it weren't for Giants?
07/05/2008 05:39:35 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I disagree. I've done as many new aberrations as anything else, I suspect.
07/05/2008 05:39:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: As long as you tie it with a Savage Lands area...which is where on Golarion?
07/05/2008 05:39:43 ‹Ross› And I LOVE dwarves and gnomes.
07/05/2008 05:39:43 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, will there be "modern" speculative dinosaurs, too?
07/05/2008 05:39:51 ‹Samwise› Deussu>somewhere in my files i think i have a link to some pictures of an infected human bite to a hand, not for the weak of stomach or recently finished eating ;)
07/05/2008 05:39:54 ‹Russ› Deussu - more bacteria that work well on humans, at any rate. Dog bites infect pretty badly on dogs, likewise cat bites on cats.
07/05/2008 05:39:57 ‹Daigle› as far a type mechanics for cappa's little giant vs aberration athach issue the only thing that would change is darkvision and low light
07/05/2008 05:39:57 ‹psymin› Well, thanks for your time, info and hospitality .. g'nite
07/05/2008 05:39:59 ‹James Jacobs› The thing about aberations is that they're supposed to have EERIE POWERS to offset their otherwise lame base stats.
07/05/2008 05:40:10 ‹cappadocius› Right.
07/05/2008 05:40:38 ‹Russ› James> Poor Fort and Reflex, cleric BAB, means a lot of monsters get steered towards magical beast for the superior combat stats.
07/05/2008 05:40:40 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> There's at least 2 savage lands type areas. One is in a giant underground cavern deep under the Mammoth Lords area. The other is probably in or near the Mwangi Expanse.
07/05/2008 05:40:49 ‹yoda8myhead› any plans to add in similar but not enough for a lawduit beholders or illithids?
07/05/2008 05:40:55 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Not all monsters need to be fighters.
07/05/2008 05:41:04 ‹cappadocius› Intellect Devourers are the Illithid stand-ins.
07/05/2008 05:41:05 ‹James Jacobs› Beholders? Nah.
07/05/2008 05:41:15 ‹cappadocius› If Paizo loves me, Delvers will take up the Beholder mantle.
07/05/2008 05:41:17 ‹James Jacobs› But mind flayers? we can replace them AWESOMELY with Intellect Devourers.
07/05/2008 05:41:27 ‹Russ› *shrugs* it makes it hard to make a tough combat-capable abber (roper) without bloating up the HD. It is the undead problem, only not quite as bad.
07/05/2008 05:41:30 ‹James Jacobs› Paizo hates you, Cappa. Sorry. :(
07/05/2008 05:41:31 ‹James Jacobs› ;)
07/05/2008 05:42:03 ‹James Jacobs› Russ: The roper has a kick-ass strength draining power. It doesn't necessarilly NEED to be strong, when it can drain you down to 0 Str in one round.
07/05/2008 05:42:04 ‹Russ› Bloating the HD or giving it excessive Str, Con and Dex. The Reflex being the hardest to fix.
07/05/2008 05:42:08 ‹cappadocius› You can make it up to me by getting some evolved archosaurs in addition to the prehistoric ones.
07/05/2008 05:42:15 ‹Wyvern› They need another name though, Intellect Devourer sounds like a monster not something intelligent.
07/05/2008 05:42:21 ‹Hill Giant› Chokers seem like an example of what to give an aberration to make it combat worthy
07/05/2008 05:42:28 ‹James Jacobs› Undead will very likely be chagned though, to use their CHarisma scores for hit points.
07/05/2008 05:42:32 ‹cappadocius› Intellect Devourer sounds about as intelligent as Mind Flayer.
07/05/2008 05:42:45 ‹James Jacobs› Intellect Devourer is not the name they call themselves, certainly.
07/05/2008 05:42:52 ‹Pygon› passing out here. good night all!
07/05/2008 05:42:54 ‹cappadocius› They go by "Bob"
07/05/2008 05:42:55 ‹Wyvern› Flaying is more stylish than devouring.
07/05/2008 05:42:56 ‹Daigle› chokers are dumb as rocks, but they can be efective brawlers
07/05/2008 05:42:57 ‹Russ› James, what are we arguing about here? I'm just saying designers have steered some monsters to magical beast to make them tougher. You agreed with me on that at one point some months back regarding one of the other books.
07/05/2008 05:42:59 ‹James Jacobs› They'll have their own name.
07/05/2008 05:43:04 ‹Hill Giant› Is Ustigulator open for use?
07/05/2008 05:43:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite pygon
07/05/2008 05:43:10 ‹Wyvern› See ya Pygon
07/05/2008 05:43:14 ‹cappadocius› HG> Heck no.
07/05/2008 05:43:20 ‹yoda8myhead› an undead, immune to crits, with more HP is nasty
07/05/2008 05:43:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i had a race that was called the bob's in 2e :D
07/05/2008 05:43:34 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> We're arguing about you sneaking into my monster manual and erasing all of my beloved aberrations and replacing them with war trolls!
07/05/2008 05:43:37 ‹Absinth› Bye, Pygon!
07/05/2008 05:43:47 ‹cappadocius› War Trolls should be giants!
07/05/2008 05:43:49 ‹cappadocius› They're Trolls!
07/05/2008 05:43:53 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> I don't think so. I'll check.
07/05/2008 05:43:57 ‹Samwise› gah! war trolls!
07/05/2008 05:43:59 ‹Russ› ....I wasn't suggesting that.
07/05/2008 05:44:02 ‹ollibolli› bye pygon
07/05/2008 05:44:03 * Samwise twitches violently
07/05/2008 05:44:07 ‹Zaister is AFK› +good morning
07/05/2008 05:44:08 ‹Deussu at work› Whippersnappers.
07/05/2008 05:44:14 ‹Russ› Yes, war trolls got made monstrous humanoids for the same reason: because giants are a 2nd tier monster class, and some designers are lazy.
07/05/2008 05:44:20 * Zaister is AFK changes his/her nickname to Zaister
07/05/2008 05:44:21 ‹seekerofshadowlight› morning zaister
07/05/2008 05:44:24 ‹James Jacobs› But war trolls were made monstrous humanoids for the same reason that Russ is saying... yeah.
07/05/2008 05:44:26 ‹Absinth› Good morning, Zaister
07/05/2008 05:44:35 ‹Zaister› hey
07/05/2008 05:44:40 ‹ollibolli› good morning Zaister
07/05/2008 05:44:51 ‹Zaister› hi olli
07/05/2008 05:44:52 ‹James Jacobs› Rather than make war trolls giants and give them, say, an ability like "Martial training: A war troll gains a bonus on attack rolls equal to half its Hit Dice."
07/05/2008 05:44:55 ‹Daigle› Morning Zaister
07/05/2008 05:45:00 ‹James Jacobs› Or something like that.
07/05/2008 05:45:06 ‹Russ› The approach Paizo used for fighter-type undead was a good one, and I'd like to see it again: give them some racial bonuses.
07/05/2008 05:45:09 ‹Russ› Bingo :)
07/05/2008 05:45:14 * Pygon quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:45:20 ‹James Jacobs› Also: The game's got about 40 types too many of troll anyway.
07/05/2008 05:45:25 ‹cappadocius› As I've been saying, there's a choice with Monster Types - either stick with the descriptions at the expense of optimization, or ditch descriptive types and replace them with "Role" types, like 4e.
07/05/2008 05:45:39 ‹Russ› And yet no moss trolls!
07/05/2008 05:45:40 ‹Deussu at work› James Jacobs: And 400 types of elves.
07/05/2008 05:45:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› gods no not 4e "roles"
07/05/2008 05:45:50 ‹James Jacobs› Give them a minute...
07/05/2008 05:45:56 ‹yoda8myhead› no 4e
07/05/2008 05:45:58 ‹yoda8myhead› none
07/05/2008 05:46:07 ‹Absinth› I don't like the role-type stuff. It feels far too limiting and cliché to me
07/05/2008 05:46:08 ‹Deussu at work› Roles are for poopers.
07/05/2008 05:46:25 ‹Russ› elves - drow, wild, valley, snow, desert, grey, high, aquatic (two kinds if you count dragonlance), winged, wood, and I'm sure I missed some
07/05/2008 05:46:28 ‹Daigle› I've generally disliked the various regional/subtypes of creatures from trolls to elves
07/05/2008 05:46:35 ‹James Jacobs› star elves!
07/05/2008 05:46:35 ‹cappadocius› Then ropers need to be aberrations, derros need to be humanoids, athachs need to be giants, and dragonnes need to be dragons.
07/05/2008 05:46:40 ‹James Jacobs› Rockseer elves!
07/05/2008 05:46:43 ‹Lilith› Ghost Elves.
07/05/2008 05:46:45 ‹Samwise› i like the erfworld elf types ;)
07/05/2008 05:46:49 ‹Lilith› Ghost elves rock though, I like them. :)
07/05/2008 05:46:50 ‹Deussu at work› Sun elves.
07/05/2008 05:46:51 ‹James Jacobs› Ghost elves are cool.
07/05/2008 05:46:51 ‹Hill Giant› santa's elves
07/05/2008 05:46:59 ‹Absinth› :D
07/05/2008 05:47:03 * Samwise gives James a bonus point for remembering Rockseer elves
07/05/2008 05:47:08 ‹Daigle› Keebler?
07/05/2008 05:47:14 ‹Deussu at work› Eladrin are practically a type of elves ... and err.. hm
07/05/2008 05:47:15 ‹yoda8myhead› shoemaker elves?
07/05/2008 05:47:25 ‹James Jacobs› eew....
07/05/2008 05:47:30 ‹James Jacobs› sigh.
07/05/2008 05:47:32 ‹Wyvern› Ha!
07/05/2008 05:47:35 ‹Russ› Deussu - sun elves are grey elves
07/05/2008 05:47:36 ‹Samwise› that is one of my other demands for elven subraces
07/05/2008 05:47:40 ‹cappadocius› Weren't there Golden Elves?
07/05/2008 05:47:41 ‹ollibolli› heinzelmaennchen?
07/05/2008 05:47:43 ‹yoda8myhead› c'mon three types of core elves is totally the way to go </sarcasm>
07/05/2008 05:47:43 ‹Samwise› they cannot be draft dodgers
07/05/2008 05:47:45 ‹Absinth› James, are the Lands of the Linnorm Kings a viking-inspired culture? There's mentioning on "raiders from the north" somewhere in the Varisia write-up.
07/05/2008 05:47:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ninja elves
07/05/2008 05:47:55 ‹Lilith› :ninja:
07/05/2008 05:48:07 ‹Daigle› were-elves
07/05/2008 05:48:08 ‹Russ› Always amused be that it is usually "gray elf" and "grey dwarf"
07/05/2008 05:48:10 ‹Deussu at work› Russ: Yeah, it gets confusing too!
07/05/2008 05:48:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› :ninja*:
07/05/2008 05:48:36 ‹Zaister› hmm :)
07/05/2008 05:48:40 * Daigle imagines Bubba listing all types of elves.
07/05/2008 05:48:40 ‹Russ› I would like to see a racial option for bulky abberations that have more hp and good Fort saves.
07/05/2008 05:48:51 ‹Deussu at work› And yet there's only one type of human! At least statistically!
07/05/2008 05:48:58 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes. The Linnorm Kings are very viking-inspired.
07/05/2008 05:49:03 ‹Hill Giant› fried elves, baked elves, elf pie...
07/05/2008 05:49:05 ‹Russ› and I think vermin need skill points so you can't sneak up on them so easily!
07/05/2008 05:49:19 ‹yoda8myhead› orc pie?
07/05/2008 05:49:22 ‹Daigle› "Well, Forrest, back in Fay-Run we had Sun elves, Moon elves, Star elves..."
07/05/2008 05:49:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: On the racial variants issue, will there be more of an emphasis on flavor differences rather than mechanical differences (with a few exceptions o' course)?
07/05/2008 05:49:27 ‹cappadocius› I think vermin as a type is currently enormously bogus.
07/05/2008 05:49:27 ‹Absinth› Good point, Russ
07/05/2008 05:49:34 ‹Zaister› btw, is it White Astrid or Estrid? I think I've read both in different places
07/05/2008 05:49:37 ‹James Jacobs› Don't most vermin have tremor sense? They should. That'd help the sneaking up on.
07/05/2008 05:49:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› athas elves
07/05/2008 05:49:55 ‹Deussu at work› Or then just a huge bonus on perception ...
07/05/2008 05:49:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› may fav elves
07/05/2008 05:50:10 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes... I believe that we aren't going to do subrace stuff, really. More like flavor. The Forlorn elves, for example, are no different statwise from other elves, but their flavor is VERY different.
07/05/2008 05:50:31 ‹cappadocius› Vermin have /darkvision/
07/05/2008 05:50:34 ‹Samwise› James>yes, a large number of vermin have tremor sense
07/05/2008 05:50:38 ‹yoda8myhead› I love the Forlorn Elf mini, btw
07/05/2008 05:50:42 ‹cappadocius› MOST INSECTS CAN'T EVEN SEE.
07/05/2008 05:50:44 ‹Deussu at work› Much like humies are from different places and have a very different flavor, but are still the same in stats
07/05/2008 05:50:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cool i can live with the sub races dying
07/05/2008 05:50:46 ‹cappadocius› rarrrrr.
07/05/2008 05:50:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: THANK YOU.
07/05/2008 05:50:51 * Lilith makes a note to send more cookies.
07/05/2008 05:50:53 ‹cappadocius› Well, I mean, they can see. but terribly.
07/05/2008 05:51:00 ‹cappadocius› not darkvision by any means.
07/05/2008 05:51:04 ‹Russ› 60 foot for scorps and spiders (and any spiderweb), but 60 feet is pretty close to be able to sneak up on a scorpion the size of a hummer
07/05/2008 05:51:16 * Daigle founds the Anti-Elf Proliferation League (sub-commision of the Anti-Dwarf Proliferation League)
07/05/2008 05:51:31 ‹Samwise› heh
07/05/2008 05:51:33 ‹Deussu at work› Some creatures should have a new way of detecting .. sonarvision! Whoosh!
07/05/2008 05:51:41 ‹Russ› cappa> When you inflate a beetle to the size of a house, some things are going to change :)
07/05/2008 05:51:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› the athasen elves might help daigle
07/05/2008 05:51:48 ‹Samwise› there are a lot of issues with range for certain powers
07/05/2008 05:51:52 * cappadocius blinks at the SRD.
07/05/2008 05:51:53 ‹Samwise› darkvision 60 ft.
07/05/2008 05:51:56 ‹Samwise› ummmm . . .
07/05/2008 05:52:05 ‹Samwise› you can only see 60 ft.?
07/05/2008 05:52:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› long as ya leave there tribe out of it that is
07/05/2008 05:52:07 ‹cappadocius› Vermin get 2 + Intelligence bonus skill points.
07/05/2008 05:52:17 ‹cappadocius› They, uh, don't have an intelligence score, guys.
07/05/2008 05:52:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i hate flashlight vision
07/05/2008 05:52:21 ‹Deussu at work› vermin tend to be mindless though
07/05/2008 05:52:29 ‹Russ› cappa> I know :P
07/05/2008 05:52:32 ‹cappadocius› By definition they are, Deussu.
07/05/2008 05:52:37 ‹Russ› Vermin are REQUIRED to be mindless.
07/05/2008 05:52:37 ‹Deussu at work› yah
07/05/2008 05:52:45 ‹yoda8myhead› but they swarm!!!
07/05/2008 05:52:47 ‹Russ› They turn into magical beasts if they aren't.
07/05/2008 05:52:47 ‹Deussu at work› Unless they are, uh, SUPERvermin
07/05/2008 05:52:57 ‹James Jacobs› One of my pet peeves, as a result: Vermin with supernatural abilities. Grr.
07/05/2008 05:53:00 * Lilith wants more druidy vermin stuff...and awaken vermin, dammit!
07/05/2008 05:53:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i let darkvison work like normla vision for range
07/05/2008 05:53:02 ‹yoda8myhead› deussu> my landlord is one of those
07/05/2008 05:53:03 ‹cappadocius› Nah. If they're SUPERvermin, they get made into a friggin' magical beast.
07/05/2008 05:53:03 ‹Daigle› me no likey mindless vermin
07/05/2008 05:53:12 ‹cappadocius› viz. The Ankheg.
07/05/2008 05:53:23 ‹Ross› I hate having to quit these chats every week, but it's 2 am here. Have a good night, all.
07/05/2008 05:53:24 ‹cappadocius› Lilith: Right on, sister!
07/05/2008 05:53:30 ‹Deussu at work› cappa: I'm afraid you are right
07/05/2008 05:53:33 ‹Deussu at work› Awakened vermin!
07/05/2008 05:53:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite ross
07/05/2008 05:53:34 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Ross!
07/05/2008 05:53:42 ‹Samwise› bugs
07/05/2008 05:53:43 ‹Samwise› feh
07/05/2008 05:53:45 ‹Samwise› :-P
07/05/2008 05:53:48 ‹Zaister› night Ross
07/05/2008 05:53:48 * Lilith likes the bugs...
07/05/2008 05:53:49 ‹James Jacobs› Thing with vermin, though... they're kinda organic robots, really. Might be better to give them an Intelligence of 1 and maybe -- Charisma?
07/05/2008 05:53:50 ‹ollibolli› gn8 ross
07/05/2008 05:53:54 * Daigle :heart:s bugs.
07/05/2008 05:53:56 * Ross quit
07/05/2008 05:54:01 ‹Lilith› Except centipedes. They give me the heebie jeebies.
07/05/2008 05:54:10 ‹Daigle› My thougts exactly James
07/05/2008 05:54:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hummm int 1 or charisma could work
07/05/2008 05:54:16 ‹Samwise› if they are robots, why have int?
07/05/2008 05:54:20 ‹James Jacobs› But meh. That's the type of change that I think may be good for a game that's not trying to be more backwards compatable. Non-intelligent vermin don't hurt the game, really.
07/05/2008 05:54:20 ‹Lilith› Good thoughts James Jacobs.
07/05/2008 05:54:24 ‹Samwise› leave them like constructs
07/05/2008 05:54:36 ‹Samwise› just give hive types int or cha for control
07/05/2008 05:54:37 ‹Daigle› I also don't like that most buggy related stuff is all evil
07/05/2008 05:54:37 * Lilith would still like to see more druid love for vermin.
07/05/2008 05:54:38 * Eyebite joins Main
07/05/2008 05:54:44 ‹Lilith› Daigle: Same.
07/05/2008 05:54:48 ‹cappadocius› Insects have decision making capabilities.
07/05/2008 05:54:48 ‹Daigle› Bugs are solidly Neutral
07/05/2008 05:54:53 ‹Daigle› Good even
07/05/2008 05:54:53 ‹Zaister› James, with -- Cha they'd be objects, the way stats are defined, and they'd have to have Wis -- too
07/05/2008 05:54:54 ‹Lilith› Eyebite! :thug: Get your doggy issue cleaned up?
07/05/2008 05:54:57 ‹James Jacobs› But... but bugs are creepy, therefore they're evil! It's in the BIBLE!
07/05/2008 05:55:05 ‹Daigle› Welcome back Eyebite
07/05/2008 05:55:07 ‹Samwise› it is?
07/05/2008 05:55:09 ‹yoda8myhead› daigle> Desna's moth is good
07/05/2008 05:55:15 ‹Daigle› Shhh with your bible James ;)
07/05/2008 05:55:23 ‹Eyebite› I did...the dog and I still aren't speaking
07/05/2008 05:55:25 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> exactly; we'd have to change the definitons of the stats and what not having them means... which is an argumetn to leave the vermin the way they are, really.
07/05/2008 05:55:29 ‹James Jacobs› Woah.
07/05/2008 05:55:30 ‹Eyebite› Thanks Daigle
07/05/2008 05:55:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› :whipit: back with such talk james
07/05/2008 05:55:33 ‹Samwise› i thought they were just not edible, except for like 4 kinds of locust
07/05/2008 05:55:36 ‹James Jacobs› I read that as "Desna's mouth is good."
07/05/2008 05:55:47 * Daigle has been working on buggys tuff lately.
07/05/2008 05:55:51 ‹Zaister› James: Intelligence 1 would be OK, though, I think
07/05/2008 05:55:53 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: :lol:
07/05/2008 05:56:01 ‹cappadocius› Ankhegs! Clearly vermin! They were given a 1 intelligence just for the Magical Beast buffs!
07/05/2008 05:56:02 ‹James Jacobs› mmm... Desna...
07/05/2008 05:56:14 ‹cappadocius› Remorhaz! Clearly vermin!
07/05/2008 05:56:25 ‹Absinth› Yes, Daigle, tells us more about Desnas mouth. :)
07/05/2008 05:56:26 ‹yoda8myhead› james> I'm sure it is. She uses it in my dreams
07/05/2008 05:56:33 ‹Moth working› Desna, yuv sher got a perty mouth...
07/05/2008 05:56:36 ‹James Jacobs› Speaking of Which. James Sutter assigned all us editors our gods today.
07/05/2008 05:56:48 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Woo hoo! Who did y'all get?
07/05/2008 05:56:51 ‹Eyebite› which on did you get James?
07/05/2008 05:56:54 ‹Deussu at work› I would like to see more vermin, that's for sure
07/05/2008 05:56:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› who did you get
07/05/2008 05:56:55 ‹yoda8myhead› who's Lamashtu?
07/05/2008 05:56:58 ‹ollibolli› Who got Droskar?
07/05/2008 05:57:01 ‹Russ› why do vermin need any blanked stat?
07/05/2008 05:57:05 ‹James Jacobs› Mike worships Irori or Iomedae.
07/05/2008 05:57:07 ‹Absinth› I wonder which Jason got...
07/05/2008 05:57:08 ‹Daigle› Desna is my favorite moth related deity
07/05/2008 05:57:11 ‹Daigle› :p
07/05/2008 05:57:14 ‹Eyebite› who got Asmodeus?
07/05/2008 05:57:15 ‹yoda8myhead› do you mean which god do you personally personify, or who are you writing?
07/05/2008 05:57:17 ‹Russ› Int 1, so they can have power attack
07/05/2008 05:57:24 ‹James Jacobs› Wes worships Shelyn.
07/05/2008 05:57:30 ‹James Jacobs› I worship Desna or Calistria.
07/05/2008 05:57:33 ‹Samwise› James>that is so bogus! my dm always lets me pick the deity for my PCs
07/05/2008 05:57:33 ‹cappadocius› Freakin' power attack!
07/05/2008 05:57:37 ‹ollibolli› or which god personifys en editor?
07/05/2008 05:57:39 ‹James Jacobs› James Sutter worships Cayden Caliean.
07/05/2008 05:57:40 ‹Daigle› Who got Cayden?
07/05/2008 05:57:44 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Lust and dreams, eh? ;)
07/05/2008 05:57:44 ‹Daigle› Nice!
07/05/2008 05:57:51 ‹James Jacobs› Jason wasn't in the office, but he probalby worships Cayden too.
07/05/2008 05:57:58 ‹James Jacobs› heh... yup.
07/05/2008 05:58:02 ‹Lilith› Jason = definitely Cayden. :P
07/05/2008 05:58:06 ‹Zaister› :)
07/05/2008 05:58:09 ‹Daigle› I love the idea of an accidental deity!
07/05/2008 05:58:14 ‹Absinth› And erik?
07/05/2008 05:58:15 * Deussu at work quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:58:15 * Deussu at work quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:58:15 ‹Daigle› That shit is gold!
07/05/2008 05:58:30 * Lilith still wants to know which Editor is which Runelord.
07/05/2008 05:58:41 ‹Absinth› Accidental Deity? Would make a fine band name...:)
07/05/2008 05:58:41 * cappadocius goes to bed, muttering about beating whoever is responsible for Types.
07/05/2008 05:58:43 ‹yoda8myhead› I had a DM who used to roll it up randomly. He also did some cool astrological stuff for characters that ended up either helping or hurting them
07/05/2008 05:59:02 ‹James Jacobs› Erik... hmmm. His god's probably Calistria too. She's the closest we have to the goddess of snark and cynicism.
07/05/2008 05:59:20 ‹yoda8myhead› no evils then?
07/05/2008 05:59:23 ‹Zaister› hat reminds me of the days of rolling up character's backgrounds with Createive Casting books
07/05/2008 05:59:28 * Lilith thinks Lamashtu for herself.
07/05/2008 05:59:32 ‹James Jacobs› Although I could see him being an Asmodeus worshiper, depending on the time.
07/05/2008 05:59:35 ‹Absinth› No Lamashtu worshipping Paizonians than? I'm disappointed! :)
07/05/2008 05:59:44 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 05:59:44 ‹Daigle› Cayden was not one of your orignal homegame deities was it, James?
07/05/2008 05:59:56 ‹James Jacobs› Lamashtu is the goddess we'll probably all end up worshiping in the end.
07/05/2008 05:59:59 ‹James Jacobs› Cayden was not.
07/05/2008 06:00:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Mwah-hah. :devilish:
07/05/2008 06:00:18 * Deussu at work quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 06:00:25 ‹Daigle› Rock!
07/05/2008 06:00:25 ‹Eyebite› Rovagug has my vote
07/05/2008 06:00:27 ‹yoda8myhead› or she'll get you in her belly and turn you into monsters whether you want her too or not
07/05/2008 06:00:40 ‹Lilith› "Git in mah bellah!"
07/05/2008 06:00:55 ‹Lilith› :raptor:
07/05/2008 06:01:06 ‹James Jacobs› OK
07/05/2008 06:01:11 ‹James Jacobs› Tis 11:00!
07/05/2008 06:01:13 ‹Absinth› More :coffee: ...
07/05/2008 06:01:16 ‹Daigle› Yay dinocide!
07/05/2008 06:01:20 ‹Lilith› It is James! :thug:
07/05/2008 06:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› Any last-minute questions?
07/05/2008 06:01:22 ‹yoda8myhead› speaking of gods, any chance of getting the holy symbols all posted online as a reference, or for easy printing as handouts etc?
07/05/2008 06:01:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› 2 am here
07/05/2008 06:01:35 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead: Inside cover of the Gazetteer. :woot:
07/05/2008 06:01:39 ‹Absinth› As always... Seen a good movie lately?
07/05/2008 06:01:46 ‹yoda8myhead› I know, but those are hard to print
07/05/2008 06:01:53 ‹ollibolli› Any news on Erik's announcement?
07/05/2008 06:02:07 ‹James Jacobs› Haven't seen any movies, really, all week. DID see Friday the 13th Part 3... that one was not good, though.
07/05/2008 06:02:12 ‹James Jacobs› Nope
07/05/2008 06:02:19 ‹Zaister› hmm
07/05/2008 06:02:22 ‹Daigle› It was in 3-D!
07/05/2008 06:02:24 ‹James Jacobs› I'm PROBABLY gonna go see Iron Man tomorrow evening though.
07/05/2008 06:02:33 ‹yoda8myhead› t'was nice
07/05/2008 06:02:40 ‹Absinth› Friday 13th Part. 3? Ughh... What got into you to give that one a try?
07/05/2008 06:02:40 ‹yoda8myhead› stay til the end of the credits
07/05/2008 06:02:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Iron man was cool
07/05/2008 06:02:45 ‹Eyebite› I've heard Iron Man is surprisingly good
07/05/2008 06:02:58 ‹James Jacobs› I'll look into seeing if we can get those deity symbols online. No promises.
07/05/2008 06:03:08 ‹yoda8myhead› what was the giant alligator movie you were talking about a few weeks back, James?
07/05/2008 06:03:09 ‹Zaister› that'd be cool
07/05/2008 06:03:16 ‹James Jacobs› Iron Man has been getting INCREDIBLY good reviews.
07/05/2008 06:03:18 ‹James Jacobs› Rogeu
07/05/2008 06:03:18 ‹Eyebite› Lake Placid
07/05/2008 06:03:18 ‹Samwise› oh, that is something . . .
07/05/2008 06:03:19 ‹James Jacobs› I men.
07/05/2008 06:03:22 ‹James Jacobs› I MEAN
07/05/2008 06:03:25 ‹James Jacobs› ROGUE
07/05/2008 06:03:29 ‹Daigle› I decided that Iron Man would be a comic movie that wouldn't annoy me because I never read the books
07/05/2008 06:03:33 ‹yoda8myhead› ok, it's past your bedtime
07/05/2008 06:03:43 ‹Absinth› Seems like, yeah...
07/05/2008 06:03:48 ‹James Jacobs› Rogue. It opened in about 10 theaters, and then shrank to about 2 last week. I bought the soundtrack from iTunes...
07/05/2008 06:03:48 ‹Samwise› James>i am unable to read those charts on the front and back covers of the CoCT pathfinder books
07/05/2008 06:03:53 ‹James Jacobs› but that's not the same as seeing the movie.
07/05/2008 06:03:56 ‹Samwise› the font is too extreme for me
07/05/2008 06:03:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› even if ya did read the books wasn't bad
06:04:07 * Samwise lost a line
07/05/2008 06:04:09 ‹yoda8myhead› I hope it's still in NY (most things are). I want to check it out
07/05/2008 06:04:27 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Sorry about the font. THAT SAID: The inside covers are meant more as artwork than reference...
07/05/2008 06:04:33 ‹Zaister› samwise: yeah those are hard to read
07/05/2008 06:04:38 ‹Samwise› ahh, so you did see it
07/05/2008 06:04:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› it never came out anywhere around here
07/05/2008 06:04:40 ‹Samwise› oh, ok
07/05/2008 06:04:58 ‹James Jacobs› There's no info in those charts that is crucial to the adventure... theyr'e decorations really.
07/05/2008 06:05:20 ‹Samwise› well, just as a general suggestion, sometimes fonts like that are used for handouts and such
07/05/2008 06:05:36 ‹ollibolli› it reminded me though of the lists "Friends of Carlotta" "Enemies of Carlotta"
07/05/2008 06:05:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. It's sometimes hard to juggle the "readable" vs. "Looks cool" categories.
07/05/2008 06:05:51 ‹Samwise› it would be nice if you included plain text translations for those of us who fry our retinas reading too much, particularly online ;)
07/05/2008 06:05:52 ‹Zaister› haha
07/05/2008 06:06:32 ‹yoda8myhead› samwise> I'll try and translate and see if I can't get the info up on the PathfinderWiki. Korvosa's my next article I'm going to tackle
07/05/2008 06:06:43 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... my only real hope for Rogue now, I suspect, is if it gets picked up by the Seattle International Film Festival.
07/05/2008 06:07:01 ‹Samwise› i find it an issue in too many rpg products over the years, and always just wanted to ask someone for really plain and simple text "translations" of such things
07/05/2008 06:07:07 ‹yoda8myhead› there's always DVD. Or I could try to bootleg it from the back row
07/05/2008 06:07:07 ‹Samwise› yoda>coolness :)
07/05/2008 06:07:14 ‹Samwise› oh
07/05/2008 06:07:19 ‹Samwise› and Iron Man is excellent
07/05/2008 06:07:24 * Kevin T. quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 06:07:26 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
07/05/2008 06:08:01 ‹James Jacobs› I'll be buying it on DVD for sure. But I like seeing movies in theaters. Also: I have a project: I wanna see 52 movies in theaters this year... and Rogue not being released locally put me one more movie behind schedule.
07/05/2008 06:08:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well guys ats 2 am an the bed doth call for me. nice chatting with yall
07/05/2008 06:08:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› night
07/05/2008 06:08:17 ‹Zaister› what's Rogue?
07/05/2008 06:08:27 * seekerofshadowlight quit
07/05/2008 06:08:44 ‹yoda8myhead› best of luck finding it! I am going to find my pillow now.
07/05/2008 06:08:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Later all!
07/05/2008 06:08:59 ‹James Jacobs› http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479528/
07/05/2008 06:09:10 ‹Zaister› good night, yoda and seeker
07/05/2008 06:09:15 ‹James Jacobs› It's a movie about a giant man-eating crocodile vs. a tour boat in Australia.
07/05/2008 06:09:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Thank you again for coming out to PaizoCon and running a game on your theoretical day off. :thug:
07/05/2008 06:09:31 ‹Zaister› ah, that
07/05/2008 06:09:36 ‹Eyebite› Ah, that's the crocodile movie, not Lake Placid
07/05/2008 06:09:55 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... It's getting significantly better reviews than Lake Placid.
07/05/2008 06:10:10 ‹James Jacobs› 6.9 out of 10 on IMDB.
07/05/2008 06:10:13 ‹Eyebite› That's not saying much :D
07/05/2008 06:10:17 ‹Daigle› Night yoda
07/05/2008 06:10:23 ‹Absinth› Lake Placid wasn't a good movie...
07/05/2008 06:10:29 * yoda8myhead quit
07/05/2008 06:10:29 ‹James Jacobs› Whereas Lake Placid hit 5.2
07/05/2008 06:10:40 ‹James Jacobs› And Primeval got like 3.9.
07/05/2008 06:10:54 ‹James Jacobs› And Lake Placid 2 got 3.1!
07/05/2008 06:11:00 ‹Eyebite› Bill Pullman was terrifying though
07/05/2008 06:11:09 ‹James Jacobs› Alligator got 5.5
07/05/2008 06:11:33 ‹James Jacobs› Dinocroc only got 2.4! That's a shame!
07/05/2008 06:12:16 ‹Eyebite› Alligator got higher than Lake Placid? wow
07/05/2008 06:12:20 ‹James Jacobs› Crocodile 2: Death Swamp got 3.5
07/05/2008 06:12:20 ‹Daigle› Called Dinocroc I don't see how it failed.
07/05/2008 06:12:37 ‹James Jacobs› Alligator's a pretty good movie, actually.
07/05/2008 06:12:54 ‹Eyebite› James> ever seen Frogs - came out in the 70's? My all time favorite craptacular movie
07/05/2008 06:13:05 ‹James Jacobs› BUT MY POINT IS: Rogue's got actaul Good Movie review level reviews. Which is uncommon for animals running amok movies.
07/05/2008 06:13:26 ‹James Jacobs› Jaws is at 8.3.
07/05/2008 06:13:40 ‹James Jacobs› I have seen parts of Frogs.
07/05/2008 06:14:02 ‹Eyebite› Yeah, it's something special. Sam Elliot's first movie I think
07/05/2008 06:14:09 ‹James Jacobs› ANYWAY! NEW RULE! Soon as someone brings up CROCODILE 2: DEATH SWAMP, the chat has officially outlived its end! :)
07/05/2008 06:14:16 ‹James Jacobs› Wait. How do you outlive an end?
07/05/2008 06:14:18 ‹Lilith› Google Ads just pointed me to a Kitchen Witch store. I wonder if it's trying to tell me something. :P
07/05/2008 06:14:21 ‹James Jacobs› I'm tired. That's my excuse.
07/05/2008 06:14:28 ‹James Jacobs› DEATH BED: THE BED THAT EATS!!!
07/05/2008 06:14:40 ‹James Jacobs› http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385639/
07/05/2008 06:14:49 ‹Daigle› *blinks*
07/05/2008 06:14:49 ‹Zaister› lol
07/05/2008 06:15:10 ‹James Jacobs› Death Bed is on my netflix queue. You better believe that!
07/05/2008 06:15:11 ‹Eyebite› ah man ahhahah I will have to check that out
07/05/2008 06:15:39 ‹Zaister› you're a freak :)
07/05/2008 06:15:45 ‹Daigle› I bet everything sounds like at good idea at some point.
07/05/2008 06:15:51 ‹Eyebite› Pinata Island - another bad monster movie favorite
07/05/2008 06:16:08 ‹James Jacobs› OMG! Pinata Isalnd is HORRIFIC.
07/05/2008 06:16:13 ‹Daigle› Candy swarms?
07/05/2008 06:16:16 ‹James Jacobs› ugh... wow
07/05/2008 06:16:22 ‹James Jacobs› It's terrible. Check it out!
07/05/2008 06:16:27 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm out! Seeya all next time!
07/05/2008 06:16:34 ‹Daigle› Goodnight James
07/05/2008 06:16:36 ‹James Jacobs› :raptor:
07/05/2008 06:16:37 ‹Zaister› good night James!
07/05/2008 06:16:38 ‹Russ› thanks JAmes
07/05/2008 06:16:41 ‹Lilith› Night james!
07/05/2008 06:16:50 ‹Samwise› good night James
07/05/2008 06:16:53 * Lilith is disappointed in the Kitchen Witch site.
07/05/2008 06:16:53 ‹Eyebite› night James
07/05/2008 06:17:07 ‹Moth working› Bye JAmes
07/05/2008 06:17:12 ‹Hill Giant› night, James
07/05/2008 06:17:27 ‹Eyebite› so uh Daigle . . .
07/05/2008 06:17:36 ‹Daigle› Yes?
07/05/2008 06:17:37 ‹Absinth› Bye, James, and thanks!
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07/05/2008 06:02:07 ‹James Jacobs› Haven't seen any movies, really, all week. DID see Friday the 13th Part 3... that one was not good, though.
I have Freddy vs the Ghostbusters in my netflix queue right now
07/05/2008 06:14:09 ‹James Jacobs› ANYWAY! NEW RULE! Soon as someone brings up CROCODILE 2: DEATH SWAMP, the chat has officially outlived its end! :)
Lilith, can you tweak the chat to block the title James mentions above so that the chats can never end!?
Once again my misfortunes (removed wisdom tooth) have allowed me to make another #pathfinder chat. Now I just got to read the last couple issues. Hope to see everyone there!
02:18:21 ‹Vic Wertz› which new author are we talking about?
14/05/2008 02:18:28 ‹Tiger Dave› lol Vic - I've never read any of the game fiction for any system - so my excitement over EC is really more reserved for the potential of good Pathfinder fiction and that makes me excited quite a bit (I'm about to change the "not read" habit)
14/05/2008 02:18:49 ‹Yoda8myhead› Elaine Cunningham
14/05/2008 02:18:59 ‹Tiger Dave› ^^^^ Yeah - her
14/05/2008 02:19:12 ‹Mothman› Elaine Cunningham
14/05/2008 02:19:28 ‹Mothman› Why Vic, which other new authors have you got?
14/05/2008 02:19:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› My understanding from her blog is that she will be doing a full AP's worth of fiction in the Pathfinder books, either under the Pathfinder's Journal or another title
14/05/2008 02:20:01 ‹cappadocius› Well, they've got Ian M. Banks writing a Gamemastery Module.
14/05/2008 02:20:26 ‹Mothman› IMO some of the best (perhaps even by far the best) FR fiction was written by EC
14/05/2008 02:20:29 ‹Vic Wertz› Uh... we said what where?
14/05/2008 02:20:31 ‹Yoda8myhead› which one? has it been announced yet?
14/05/2008 02:21:00 ‹Mothman› Oh, and they have Ed Greenwood and RA Salvatore writing bits and pieces for the campaign setting ... I think? And Keith Baker?
14/05/2008 02:21:15 ‹Yoda8myhead› mothman> yep to Baker
14/05/2008 02:21:32 ‹Tiger Dave› I think Salvatore is just writing the preface ... but I may have misread that
14/05/2008 02:21:35 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I hear Ed Greenwood but was the Salvatore confirmed?
14/05/2008 02:21:42 ‹Mothman› Vic - you didn't say anywhere. Something was said on Elaine Cunningham's blog - and she's been posting on the messageboards
14/05/2008 02:21:54 ‹Yoda8myhead› Mike confirmed Salvatore on the boards, but was pretty clear that it's just the preface
14/05/2008 02:22:09 ‹Mothman› Yes, Salvatore wrote SOMETHING that Mike was editing - pretty sure it was the preface
14/05/2008 02:22:18 ‹Vic Wertz› anybody have a link to her blog?
14/05/2008 02:22:28 ‹Working Lilith› Vic Wertz: Yeah, lemme dig it up
14/05/2008 02:22:31 ‹Tiger Dave› Lillith does
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14/05/2008 02:22:44 ‹Yoda8myhead› hold on, getting it
14/05/2008 02:22:47 ‹Working Lilith› http://e-cunningham.livejournal.com/
14/05/2008 02:22:50 ‹Working Lilith› Voila.
14/05/2008 02:22:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› http://e-cunningham.livejournal.com/
14/05/2008 02:23:00 ‹Yoda8myhead› too slow
14/05/2008 02:23:11 ‹Working Lilith› RA Salvatore: Foreward/Introduction to Hardcover Campaign Setting, IIRC
14/05/2008 02:23:16 ‹Yoda8myhead› uh oh. Vic is gonna see that she let the cat out of the bag and then she's gonna get it!!!
14/05/2008 02:23:17 ‹cappadocius› And I'm just making up scurrilous rumors.
14/05/2008 02:23:23 ‹Mothman› http://e-cunningham.livejournal.com/
14/05/2008 02:23:29 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Woah!
14/05/2008 02:23:31 ‹Mothman› oh ... beaten twice
14/05/2008 02:23:56 ‹Yoda8myhead› stopping those horses, Mr. Shoanti?
14/05/2008 02:24:20 * Ask a Shoanti pulls back on the reins
14/05/2008 02:24:51 ‹Mothman› Either she's going to get it ... or the "project editor" is going to get it!
14/05/2008 02:25:28 ‹Tiger Dave› Uh oh - starts preparing a "Writer's Disaster Assistance" package ...
14/05/2008 02:26:22 ‹Vic Wertz› Huh. Whadya know.
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14/05/2008 02:26:51 ‹Mothman› She scooped you Vic
14/05/2008 02:27:03 ‹Working Lilith› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:27:03 ‹Daigle› Damn!
14/05/2008 02:27:59 ‹Vic Wertz› I foresee a blog post of our own in the near future.
14/05/2008 02:28:19 ‹Mothman› I think one might be in order....
14/05/2008 02:28:27 ‹Tiger Dave› Indeed.
14/05/2008 02:28:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› Is this the first you're hearing of it?
14/05/2008 02:28:53 ‹Yoda8myhead› or you just didn't know it was public knowledge?
14/05/2008 02:29:03 ‹Mothman› My guess is that Vic wasnt aware the cat was out of the bag
14/05/2008 02:29:18 ‹Vic Wertz› I knew of no cat to be unbagged.
14/05/2008 02:29:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› they are working you guys hard then, I guess
14/05/2008 02:29:55 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Is it wrong to put cats in bags?
14/05/2008 02:30:08 ‹Mothman› There you go .... maybe its all a ruse - EC really REALLY wants to write PF fiction, so she posted this so you HAVE to give her a job!
14/05/2008 02:30:19 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I think they're better with boxes - but that's just me
14/05/2008 02:30:29 ‹Vic Wertz› I knew there was talk of cats and bags, but in a Schrödinger-like state.
14/05/2008 02:30:38 ‹Yoda8myhead› My cat doesn't like it much, but he's very good at getting out, so I guess it's not too bad since he's only in there a short while
14/05/2008 02:30:54 ‹Mothman› But how do you know the cat is in the bag?
14/05/2008 02:31:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› cause he howls and claws and moves around a lot
14/05/2008 02:31:11 ‹Vic Wertz› The cat claims to be in the bag!
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14/05/2008 02:32:42 ‹Tiger Dave› Hmmm ... so - cease the Writer's Assistance package and initiate the Technical Director's Disaster Assistance package ... check
14/05/2008 02:33:04 ‹Daigle› Howdy Paul
14/05/2008 02:33:32 ‹Ask a Shoanti› It's a dire cat, but a bag of holding (Type IV)
14/05/2008 02:33:48 ‹Mothman› I would of thought a grey bag of tricks....
14/05/2008 02:34:24 ‹Vic Wertz› My knowledge was more that we had a bag that needed to have a cat put in it, and there were potential cats that might be baggable, but nobody let me in on the actual bagging of the cat.
14/05/2008 02:34:46 ‹Mothman› Those cats are tricky ... looks like you bagged one though
14/05/2008 02:35:07 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Mothman: Oh yeah. . . darn - I'm getting tired grey bag is much better
14/05/2008 02:35:08 ‹Hill Giant :typerhappy:› When metaphors go too far...
02:35:36 * Pygon starts hammering words on granite
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14/05/2008 02:35:59 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I played in a high level game once where I had like six bags of tricks - I was most unpopular
14/05/2008 02:36:07 ‹paul› hey Daigle ...sorry delay talking to kids
14/05/2008 02:36:14 ‹Vic Wertz› Sovereign glue + bag of tricks = long-lasting comedy.
14/05/2008 02:36:30 ‹Mothman› hehe
14/05/2008 02:36:31 ‹Daigle› Mike, you had a pocket menagerie
14/05/2008 02:36:35 ‹Ask a Shoanti› ooooo - could be fun!
14/05/2008 02:36:50 ‹Daigle› Howdy srg
14/05/2008 02:36:50 ‹Yoda8myhead› I played a game in which two characters were possessed by arch-enemy intelligent weapons and it was a race between them to see who could place the other in a bag of holding first
14/05/2008 02:37:34 ‹Daigle› Where have I heard of rival intelligent weapons before?
14/05/2008 02:37:52 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I love how in OoTS Roy keeps finding a new use for his bag of tricks
14/05/2008 02:38:20 ‹Pygon› he used the rest of them up pretty quickly in that one last strip tho...
14/05/2008 02:38:27 ‹Yoda8myhead› Am I the only one who isn't totally into OoTS? I much prefer Goblins.
14/05/2008 02:38:49 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Goblins is awesome too - definitely
14/05/2008 02:39:02 ‹Yoda8myhead› not updated as often
14/05/2008 02:39:02 ‹Pygon› I thought Goblins was moving along a little too quickly plotwise, I wasn't expecting the bad guys' strategy to fail so soon, but it's interesting.
14/05/2008 02:39:13 ‹Mothman› Both good, though Ive stopped following both to be honest
14/05/2008 02:39:31 ‹Yoda8myhead› they have so many loose strings going now that I feel it's moving way too slowly plotwise
14/05/2008 02:40:25 ‹Tiger Dave› I liked his earlier, less-verbose works. To be honest with you - about the last 30 episodes I've just skimmed.
14/05/2008 02:40:57 ‹Tiger Dave› (I always thought the purpose of the cartoon was to tell the story in a non-verbal manner )
14/05/2008 02:43:17 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I gotta hit the sack guys! Night all!
14/05/2008 02:43:25 ‹Ask a Shoanti› And have fun with that game Vic!
14/05/2008 02:43:47 ‹Tiger Dave› Bye!
14/05/2008 02:43:52 * Ask a Shoanti quit
02:45:58 * Working Lilith dances around as she waits for stuff to install...
14/05/2008 02:46:10 ‹Yoda8myhead› late Mike
14/05/2008 02:46:20 * Hill Giant Your browser may not support display of this image.changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant
14/05/2008 02:46:47 ‹Yoda8myhead› Lilith, what's installing?
14/05/2008 02:46:49 ‹Mothman› What are you dancing to Lilith?
14/05/2008 02:47:40 * Madness Follows joins Main
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14/05/2008 02:48:06 ‹Working Lilith› Mothman: The sweet sweet sound of server fans.
14/05/2008 02:48:08 ‹heathansson› Wassup?
14/05/2008 02:48:16 ‹heathansson› I hear those too.
14/05/2008 02:48:23 ‹heathansson› Mothy!
14/05/2008 02:48:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy Heathy and Mandness
14/05/2008 02:48:50 ‹heathansson› Sorry about your girl....plot devices, whatnot.
14/05/2008 02:48:51 ‹Daigle› Madness, even.
14/05/2008 02:48:54 ‹heathansson› Hey!
14/05/2008 02:49:10 ‹Madness Follows› Yo!
14/05/2008 02:49:46 ‹Madness Follows› my misfortune once again allows me to show up for a chat
14/05/2008 02:49:57 ‹Pygon› dang, almost time for chat already
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14/05/2008 02:50:10 ‹Pygon› not that you don't count at all Vic Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:50:17 ‹Yoda8myhead› it's always chat here!
14/05/2008 02:50:32 ‹heathansson› Can we nuke the thread from the air?
14/05/2008 02:50:39 ‹lojakz› hello folks
14/05/2008 02:50:46 ‹heathansson› It's the only way to be sure.
14/05/2008 02:50:56 ‹Daigle› howdy lojakz
14/05/2008 02:51:03 ‹Daigle› Heathy...which one?
14/05/2008 02:51:13 ‹heathansson› H in G...
14/05/2008 02:51:21 ‹Mothman› Hey Heath
14/05/2008 02:51:22 ‹Vic Wertz› Lilith is installing an "igonre" button, and she's testing it by using it on all of us.
14/05/2008 02:51:22 ‹Daigle› Ah
14/05/2008 02:51:15 * tensor joins Main
14/05/2008 02:51:23 ‹Yoda8myhead› In, on or under?
14/05/2008 02:51:28 ‹Vic Wertz› "ignore"
14/05/2008 02:51:32 ‹Daigle› I quit looking Sunday
14/05/2008 02:51:33 ‹heathansson› I'm not a homophobe, but that thing is just....
14/05/2008 02:51:36 ‹Mothman› haha, no problem man, its all good
14/05/2008 02:51:39 ‹tensor› Hurray! Chat is backYour browser may not support display of this image.Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:51:45 ‹Daigle› howdy tensor
14/05/2008 02:51:55 * Working Lilith giggles at Vic Wertz. Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:51:56 ‹tensor› I saw a bright light, but didn't go towards it.
14/05/2008 02:52:01 ‹Yoda8myhead› claiming to not be a homophobe is the first indication that you might be one. It's like "I'm not racist..."
14/05/2008 02:52:06 ‹heathansson› I'm trying. I haven't posted since yesterday.
14/05/2008 02:52:06 * Working Lilith is actually at Work-Work, not fun work...
14/05/2008 02:52:11 ‹tensor› Hi Lilith Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:52:13 ‹tensor› hi Adam
14/05/2008 02:52:29 ‹Working Lilith› Yoda8myhead, please don't bring up that thread...it's been beaten like the figurative morbibund equine.
14/05/2008 02:52:33 ‹Vic Wertz› Did you people hear Lilith's horrible news?
14/05/2008 02:52:38 ‹tensor› heathansson: read any good books recently?
14/05/2008 02:52:38 ‹Working Lilith› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:52:41 ‹Yoda8myhead› understood
14/05/2008 02:52:44 ‹Vic Wertz› I'm heartbroken.
14/05/2008 02:52:47 ‹Mothman› What horrible news?
14/05/2008 02:52:49 ‹tensor› Vic: no what??
14/05/2008 02:52:54 ‹heathansson› Books...books.....no.
14/05/2008 02:52:57 ‹Vic Wertz› She lost the recipe for the homemade oreos.
14/05/2008 02:53:00 ‹heathansson› news?
14/05/2008 02:53:04 ‹Pygon› noooo
14/05/2008 02:53:06 ‹tensor› aaaahhhh! Oreos!
14/05/2008 02:53:07 ‹Mothman› oh noes!
14/05/2008 02:53:08 ‹tensor› noooooo
14/05/2008 02:53:17 ‹tensor› hi Pygon
14/05/2008 02:53:23 ‹Pygon› hello tensor
14/05/2008 02:53:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› it's ok. They make those in the store down the road. Put em in nice blue bags and everything
14/05/2008 02:53:50 ‹tensor› hehe. Yes. Seems oreos are popular with gamers
14/05/2008 02:53:50 ‹Working Lilith› Yoda8myhead, you missed the "Homemade" part. Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:54:01 ‹tensor› doh!
14/05/2008 02:54:06 ‹Yoda8myhead› yeah, these are homemade too!
14/05/2008 02:54:11 ‹Yoda8myhead› by some guy named Nabisco
14/05/2008 02:54:27 ‹tensor› Nabisco is indian for little people
14/05/2008 02:54:30 ‹Hill Giant› Sounds foreign Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:54:30 ‹Saracenus› ?
14/05/2008 02:54:36 ‹tensor› cheoreke maybe
14/05/2008 02:54:39 ‹Yoda8myhead› unless you really actually did make homemade oreos, in which case my joke is not funny
14/05/2008 02:54:49 ‹Yoda8myhead› tenso> no that's Keebler
14/05/2008 02:54:51 ‹Mothman› (I think she did)
14/05/2008 02:54:54 ‹Vic Wertz› She did! Or, at least, she cliams to have done.
14/05/2008 02:54:59 ‹Yoda8myhead› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:55:04 ‹Vic Wertz› claims. Me no typey so good today.
14/05/2008 02:55:22 ‹tensor› Vic: funny how that fire water works on your mind, eh?
14/05/2008 02:55:27 ‹Hill Giant› Does taking two half oreos and jamming them together count as homemade doublestuffs?
14/05/2008 02:55:31 ‹heathansson› Later.
14/05/2008 02:55:33 ‹Mothman› So Heath, is the girl going to make it? I don't like the look of that Kinto....
14/05/2008 02:55:40 ‹tensor› are you going heathy?
14/05/2008 02:55:50 ‹Vic Wertz› But when presented with the opportunity to provide said homemade oreos in person, there were none. Merely a tale of a lost recipe.
14/05/2008 02:56:00 ‹Daigle› Peace, Heathy
14/05/2008 02:56:09 ‹Yoda8myhead› my grandpa had the same thing happen with a fish once
14/05/2008 02:56:23 ‹tensor› reminds me of a story about a red trans am Vic
14/05/2008 02:56:32 * heathansson quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 02:56:40 ‹tensor› how many surrealists does it take to screw in a light bulb??
14/05/2008 02:56:45 * tensor makes a funny
14/05/2008 02:56:45 ‹Mothman› I once lost my mind ... but it turned up again later
14/05/2008 02:56:48 ‹Daigle› Giraffe
14/05/2008 02:56:53 ‹tensor› answer: FISH
14/05/2008 02:57:00 ‹tensor› Giraffe works too
14/05/2008 02:57:02 ‹Working Lilith› Vic Wertz: Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 02:57:23 * Yoda8myhead thinks it's funny when people leave and go to (timeout)
14/05/2008 02:57:30 ‹tensor› ok, it is nearly 11pm here. I gots to sleep.
14/05/2008 02:57:34 ‹tensor› goodnight Vic Wertz
14/05/2008 02:57:39 ‹tensor› goodnight everybody
14/05/2008 02:57:46 ‹Daigle› Night tensor
14/05/2008 02:57:48 ‹Yoda8myhead› goodnight tensor
14/05/2008 02:57:50 ‹Hill Giant› night, tnesor
14/05/2008 02:58:17 ‹Vic Wertz› night!
14/05/2008 02:58:19 ‹Tiger Dave› http://www.cooks.com/rec/searc...FF.html
14/05/2008 02:58:22 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
14/05/2008 02:58:36 ‹Daigle› Scribe!
14/05/2008 02:58:44 * tensor quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 02:58:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› Good Evening All!
14/05/2008 02:59:02 ‹Vic Wertz› "Roll in prune-size balls." There's an unfortunate turn of phrase.
14/05/2008 02:59:06 ‹Hill Giant› Q: How Many 4E designers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: One, but he can't do it again until he rolls a 5 or 6.
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14/05/2008 02:59:43 ‹Tiger Dave› Or, try this one: http://nosheteria.com/dailyspe...th.html
14/05/2008 02:59:58 ‹Daigle› My best lightbulb joke is sadly regional.
14/05/2008 03:00:00 ‹Mothman› hmmm
14/05/2008 03:00:28 ‹Tiger Dave› Hill Giant: 10 - one to do it, then the rest to blog, podcast etc. how crappy the old way of doing it is
14/05/2008 03:00:50 * Yoda8myhead laughs at Tiger Dave's spot on answer
14/05/2008 03:01:32 ‹Tiger Dave› Sorry, no bitter here ...
14/05/2008 03:01:33 ‹lojakz› Sorry I was distracted by email. So i'm only getting caught up. My mother used to make homemade oreos... and holy god in heaven i'm craving one now... guess i'll settle for a regular oreo
14/05/2008 03:01:33 ‹Vic Wertz› Hmm. The cooks.com recipes all involve premade mixes and lots of shortening.
14/05/2008 03:01:49 * Mr Baron joins Main
14/05/2008 03:01:49 ‹Tiger Dave› (well, maybe just a little)
14/05/2008 03:01:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy Baron
14/05/2008 03:02:05 * James Jacobs joins Main
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14/05/2008 03:02:19 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
14/05/2008 03:02:21 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ!
14/05/2008 03:02:23 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles!
14/05/2008 03:02:27 ‹Tiger Dave› Vic: didn't bother to read them - Tubby Tubberton here needs to watch his weight - can't have Fatty McGee soldiers and all that
14/05/2008 03:02:46 ‹Tiger Dave› Evening James
14/05/2008 03:02:51 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening all.
14/05/2008 03:02:52 ‹Mr Baron› hello
14/05/2008 03:02:57 ‹Daigle› What's shakin'?
14/05/2008 03:02:56 ‹Charles Evans› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:02:58 ‹Vic Wertz› At least that last link doesn't involve a prepackaged mix! Hmm. Might try that one. What do you think, Lilith?
14/05/2008 03:03:03 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy!
14/05/2008 03:03:18 ‹Vic Wertz› Chips Ahoy?
14/05/2008 03:03:27 ‹James Jacobs› Mmmm... chips ahoy...
14/05/2008 03:03:28 ‹Tiger Dave› Hey Charles Evans - was trying to answer your Eldar Death Jester question earlier
14/05/2008 03:03:29 ‹Madness Follows› Jimmy J!!!!
14/05/2008 03:03:30 ‹Vic Wertz› HOMEMADE Chips Ahoy?
14/05/2008 03:03:34 ‹lojakz› man why do you guys have to talk about food.... Your browser may not support display of this image.
03:03:47 ‹Vic Wertz› Lilith started it!
14/05/2008 03:03:51 ‹Tiger Dave› No food here
14/05/2008 03:03:52 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Monte Cooke AND Elaine Cunningham announced working with Paizo in one week; what does it feel like?
14/05/2008 03:03:54 ‹Vic Wertz› With her free cookie love!
14/05/2008 03:03:55 ‹Mothman› Hi James
14/05/2008 03:04:11 ‹Charles Evans› Tiger: Sorry, but I timed out. Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:04:14 ‹Madness Follows› I'm eating here
14/05/2008 03:04:16 ‹lojakz› Elaine Cunningham is working with Paizo?
14/05/2008 03:04:16 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It feels very busy.
14/05/2008 03:04:20 ‹lojakz› I missed that
14/05/2008 03:04:30 ‹Mothman› So James, you guys found someone to write PF fiction!
14/05/2008 03:04:31 ‹Pygon› hi James!
14/05/2008 03:04:37 * Working Lilith makes lojakz some homemade Shepherd's Pie in apology.
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14/05/2008 03:04:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Not really... sort of...
14/05/2008 03:04:47 ‹Mothman› lojakz: blink and you would have missed it - it hasnt been officially announced
14/05/2008 03:04:50 ‹Daigle› Howdy robert
14/05/2008 03:05:01 ‹robert_hawk› howdy
14/05/2008 03:05:11 ‹Madness Follows› mmmmmmmmm...... sheperd's pie
14/05/2008 03:05:18 ‹Pygon› James - my burning question - any word yet on Alpha 3 release date?
14/05/2008 03:05:19 * srg quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 03:05:20 ‹cappadocius› Oh, it's Mr. Jacobs!
14/05/2008 03:05:32 ‹Madness Follows› Jimmy J!!!!
14/05/2008 03:05:43 ‹lojakz› MMMMM SHEPHERDS PIE!!! apology very accepted
14/05/2008 03:05:57 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Does this mean that a couple more avatars/pictures are going to be taken out of messageboard circulation for Elaine and Monte's exclusive use? Your browser may not support display of this image.
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14/05/2008 03:06:10 * cappadocius 's only burning question is what would be the best Sorceror bloodline for a PC in RotRL who wants to be a younger brother of Ameiko and Tsuto?
14/05/2008 03:06:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy deClench!
14/05/2008 03:06:16 * Pygon cries
14/05/2008 03:06:23 * lojakz changes his/her nickname to lojakz is afk
14/05/2008 03:06:28 ‹deClench› Hey Daigle!
14/05/2008 03:06:43 ‹deClench› What's the word?
14/05/2008 03:06:44 ‹Mothman› Where'd he go?
14/05/2008 03:06:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› The word is 'legs'
14/05/2008 03:07:01 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Jason's working on the Alpha 3 right now. The last little bit.
14/05/2008 03:07:11 ‹deClench› and she knows how to use them...
14/05/2008 03:07:14 * Venture Captain Logue joins Main
14/05/2008 03:07:17 ‹James Jacobs› MAYBE later this week. Maybe.
14/05/2008 03:07:20 ‹Daigle› Whenever someone says 'legs' scream real loud!
14/05/2008 03:07:25 ‹Mothman› So EC says that she is writing serialised fiction for Paizo - it could be the Pathfinder journal rather than short stories or novels...
14/05/2008 03:07:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› spread the word...
14/05/2008 03:07:34 ‹Daigle› Howdy Nick!
14/05/2008 03:07:40 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nick!
14/05/2008 03:07:41 ‹Venture Captain Logue› WHASSSSSUP!
14/05/2008 03:07:45 ‹Mothman› Nick!
14/05/2008 03:07:46 ‹Venture Captain Logue› WE ARE MANY AND STRONG!!!
14/05/2008 03:07:48 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Hey Daigs!
14/05/2008 03:07:49 ‹Pygon› greetings Nick
14/05/2008 03:07:51 ‹Charles Evans› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:07:52 ‹Venture Captain Logue› How's the good life treating you!
14/05/2008 03:07:55 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Mothy!
14/05/2008 03:07:58 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Good to see ya!
14/05/2008 03:08:00 ‹Daigle› It's rockin'!
14/05/2008 03:08:01 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Flee in terror Charles! FLEE!
14/05/2008 03:08:08 ‹Mothman› You too man
14/05/2008 03:08:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Good to hear Daigle!!!
14/05/2008 03:08:10 ‹Charles Evans› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:08:12 ‹Daigle› How's your world?
14/05/2008 03:08:21 ‹Venture Captain Logue› You know...good and bad.
14/05/2008 03:08:30 * Daigle nods
14/05/2008 03:08:33 ‹deClench› Nic!
14/05/2008 03:08:34 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Somethings are great! Other things are terrible! I'm focusing on the GREAT today!
14/05/2008 03:08:41 ‹Venture Captain Logue› deClench!!!!!!!!!
14/05/2008 03:08:43 ‹Daigle› Werd
14/05/2008 03:08:44 ‹Venture Captain Logue› How you doing?
14/05/2008 03:08:51 ‹Madness Follows› Your browser may not support display of this image.Nick!!!
14/05/2008 03:09:03 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I need to see deClench posting on my forums at SINISTER!!! I NEED YOU!
14/05/2008 03:09:05 ‹deClench› Good enough!
14/05/2008 03:09:10 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Madness Follows!!!!!!!!!
14/05/2008 03:09:13 ‹Hill Giant› "Madness Follows Nick" - truer words...
14/05/2008 03:09:17 ‹Madness Follows› indeed
14/05/2008 03:09:23 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Good to see you all!
14/05/2008 03:09:27 ‹deClench› Been swamped. I'll be around soon!!!
14/05/2008 03:09:30 ‹Venture Captain Logue› We got an awesome crew tonight for reals!
14/05/2008 03:09:40 ‹Madness Follows› my misfortune once again allows me to show up for a chat
14/05/2008 03:09:43 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Good to hear! I love me some deClench forum posting action!
14/05/2008 03:09:48 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Oh no!
14/05/2008 03:09:54 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs: Your recommendation for a Kaijitsu sorceror?
14/05/2008 03:09:56 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Hope things are okay Madness!
14/05/2008 03:09:57 ‹Vic Wertz› Oh dear jeebus...
14/05/2008 03:10:06 ‹Venture Captain Logue› VICCCCCCC!!!
14/05/2008 03:10:11 ‹Venture Captain Logue› YOU ARE HERE!
14/05/2008 03:10:13 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Awesome!
14/05/2008 03:10:17 ‹Yoda8myhead› Oh Venture Captain, My Venture Captain
14/05/2008 03:10:18 ‹deClench› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:10:20 ‹Madness Follows› just a tooth pull so I had to take time off from my operator job
14/05/2008 03:10:41 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Oh! Okay, not too bad then. Hope the teeth treat you kinder in the future my man!
14/05/2008 03:10:43 ‹Charles Evans› Vic Wertz: Still no Pathfinder #8 here in the UK in my LGS. Your browser may not support display of this image. Waiting to see if it arrives later in the week.
14/05/2008 03:10:47 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> What exactly do you mean bya Kaijitsu sorcerer? The Kaijitsus are a noble family, not a race.
14/05/2008 03:10:54 * Working Lilith runs over and glomps the Venture Captain! Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:11:05 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I misread that post and my brain said "Kaiju sorcerer"...that rocked.
14/05/2008 03:11:08 ‹Venture Captain Logue› LILITH!!!!
14/05/2008 03:11:10 ‹cappadocius› James: I have a player who wants to be a younger Kaijitsu sibling.
14/05/2008 03:11:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› I just got PF 9 and The Gazeteer in record shipping time!
14/05/2008 03:11:22 ‹Working Lilith› Venture Captain Logue: Me too! Kaiju sorcerer! Win!
14/05/2008 03:11:23 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Howdy girlfriend! Rock on with your bad self!
14/05/2008 03:11:27 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha!
14/05/2008 03:11:30 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Awesome!
14/05/2008 03:11:32 ‹Working Lilith› Venture Captain Logue: Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:11:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› Kaiju sorcery = http://www.kaiju.com
14/05/2008 03:11:38 ‹Working Lilith› Free at last!
14/05/2008 03:11:49 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Ah! Cool! Sounds good to me!
14/05/2008 03:11:51 ‹Working Lilith› I must run to home, I am freed from my shackles!
14/05/2008 03:11:56 * Working Lilith quit
14/05/2008 03:12:06 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Lilith.
14/05/2008 03:12:16 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs> Any particular Bloodline appropriate or woefully inappropriate for them?
14/05/2008 03:12:25 ‹Yoda8myhead› So Venture Captain Logue, when are we getting that PF Society stuff you've promised us?
14/05/2008 03:12:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ooooh, Nickj has a golem now!
14/05/2008 03:12:29 * Tiger Dave pops smoke grenades and prepares a fusilade of covering fire
14/05/2008 03:12:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› I never noticed before!
14/05/2008 03:12:39 ‹Mothman› So James, the coeurl. I reckon you have to have them in PF, but how to make them NOT look like displacer beast rip offs? (as opposed to DBs being coeurl rip offs)
14/05/2008 03:12:39 ‹cappadocius› Heck, if he chooses Draconic, what are the appropriate abilities for a Xian Ta dragon?
14/05/2008 03:12:58 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha!
14/05/2008 03:12:59 * Charles Evans sends in harlequins to assista Tiger Dave & Lilith.
14/05/2008 03:13:08 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Ah; hmmm. I'd probably have to say the Destined bloodline.
14/05/2008 03:13:13 * Yoda8myhead expected that answer
14/05/2008 03:13:19 ‹James Jacobs› Nick is ON THE CLOCK!
14/05/2008 03:13:22 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I've been cranking out stuff about the Five Factions, but Josh and I need to do a little more noodling on them before we make a SLEW OF BLOG POSTS!
14/05/2008 03:13:24 ‹cappadocius› That's what I was pushing, yes.
14/05/2008 03:13:27 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I am!
14/05/2008 03:13:30 * seekerofshadowlight joins Main
14/05/2008 03:13:33 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I'm working like a dog today in fact!
14/05/2008 03:13:34 ‹Vic Wertz› No PF *8*? Well, we have plenty, and we get them to our distributors promptly...
14/05/2008 03:13:36 ‹Mothman› Nick, Pett is spreading rumours that you havent started writing adventures for PFS yet!!
14/05/2008 03:13:38 ‹cappadocius› Thank you, Mr. Jacobs.
14/05/2008 03:13:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello all
14/05/2008 03:13:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Outlining TONS of Scenarios and writing the PFS Player's Guide like a MADMAN!!!
14/05/2008 03:14:01 ‹Charles Evans› Vic Wertz: Esdevium seem to be somewhat tardy in getting them out in the UK.
14/05/2008 03:14:04 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha!
14/05/2008 03:14:07 ‹Tiger Dave› Evening Seeker
14/05/2008 03:14:22 ‹Daigle› Howdy seeker
14/05/2008 03:14:29 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I'm not writing ANY of the PFS Scenarios! Instead I'm brining you an all star line up of the best freelancers in the biz (meaning: Not Pett).
14/05/2008 03:14:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey dave didn't know the room was back up
14/05/2008 03:14:33 ‹cappadocius› PFS?
14/05/2008 03:14:35 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The coeurl is gonna MAYBE show up in Pathfinder #14's bestiary. We're waiting to hear back from van Vogt's estate/agent to get permission to do stuff with it; if they give us our blessing... it's a go! Otherwise, we'll probably do something else entirely for those 2 pages.
14/05/2008 03:14:43 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Pathfinder Society!
14/05/2008 03:14:44 ‹cappadocius› Path oF Shadows?
14/05/2008 03:14:50 ‹cappadocius› Oh! Right!
14/05/2008 03:14:52 ‹cappadocius› Your gig!
14/05/2008 03:15:00 ‹Mr Baron› When does PF10 hit the warehouse?
14/05/2008 03:15:01 ‹cappadocius› The thing they pay you for!
14/05/2008 03:15:10 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Path of Shadows is more like my life. Pathfinder Society is my gig!
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14/05/2008 03:15:13 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Your browser may not support display of this image.
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14/05/2008 03:15:37 ‹Vic Wertz› Hey! I didn't quit!
14/05/2008 03:15:47 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: You timed out?
14/05/2008 03:15:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Whew!
14/05/2008 03:15:47 ‹James Jacobs› HA! GHOST VIC!
14/05/2008 03:15:48 ‹Yoda8myhead› Vic Wertz, you got sent to timeout
14/05/2008 03:15:50 * clight101 joins Main
14/05/2008 03:16:01 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Chris! Welcome!
14/05/2008 03:16:08 ‹Daigle› Howdy clight
14/05/2008 03:16:06 ‹Vic Wertz› I'd have expected PF 8 to hit UK retail at least a week ago, if not two.
14/05/2008 03:16:24 ‹clight101› hey guys
14/05/2008 03:16:27 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I didn't get my PF 8 yet, and I live in the Colonies!
14/05/2008 03:16:32 ‹James Jacobs› Also: if we do a coeurl, it'll be closer to the original version. The version that eats minds and has electrical powers, not displacement. We aren't going to use this as a chance to build a replacement displacer beast, really.
14/05/2008 03:16:37 ‹James Jacobs› Becasue that's not cool.
14/05/2008 03:16:49 ‹Vic Wertz› PF 10 will probably hit our warehouse in the seond week of June.
14/05/2008 03:16:52 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Are there likely to be UK distributors other than Esdevium I can recommend my LGS try?
14/05/2008 03:16:54 * Mothman quit
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14/05/2008 03:17:04 ‹Mr Baron› When does PF10 hit the warehouse?
14/05/2008 03:17:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› a coeurl would be sweet though
14/05/2008 03:17:17 * Charles Evans takes a turn timing out.
14/05/2008 03:17:23 ‹Yoda8myhead› ha, replacer beast
14/05/2008 03:17:32 ‹James Jacobs› Nice!
14/05/2008 03:17:42 ‹Vic Wertz› PF 10 will probably hit our warehouse in the second week of June.
14/05/2008 03:17:47 * Absinth joins Main
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14/05/2008 03:17:59 ‹Yoda8myhead› that's a long time to wait!
14/05/2008 03:18:04 ‹Pygon› doh
14/05/2008 03:18:05 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
14/05/2008 03:18:12 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Absinth!
14/05/2008 03:18:13 ‹Charles Evans› Evening Davemage.
14/05/2008 03:18:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy DaveMage
14/05/2008 03:18:25 ‹Pygon› I'll be getting 3 shipments I'm eager for all in the same week
14/05/2008 03:18:27 ‹Mothman› James, sounds cool on the coeurl
14/05/2008 03:18:29 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Dissplacer Beast!
14/05/2008 03:18:34 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Hey DaveMage!
14/05/2008 03:18:34 ‹Yoda8myhead› Daigle, what's the record for number of chatters?
14/05/2008 03:18:44 ‹Vic Wertz› Charles: Hobby Games LTD: http://www.hobbygames.com/index.htm
14/05/2008 03:18:49 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Has Erik cleared you yet to talk about any of these secret meetings that you've been having recently?
14/05/2008 03:18:50 ‹DaveMage› Hola!
14/05/2008 03:18:50 ‹Daigle› Not sure of the exact count, but 50+
14/05/2008 03:18:51 ‹Mothman› slow in here today...
14/05/2008 03:19:02 ‹Yoda8myhead› Your DISplacer beast could just make your mama jokes at PCs and give them poor morale
14/05/2008 03:19:16 ‹Rambling Scribe› The record for chatters was the day of the PRPG announcement.
14/05/2008 03:19:20 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think.
14/05/2008 03:19:21 * Tiger Dave groans
14/05/2008 03:19:22 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I'm guessing you've had things more thn just Elaine & Monte under discussion. Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:19:27 * Daigle nods
14/05/2008 03:19:41 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The secret meeting was the Monte deal.
14/05/2008 03:19:46 ‹Mothman› James, how about serpent folk – any plans for them at this stage? Would you use the Freeport version or build your own?
14/05/2008 03:19:52 * psymin joins Main
14/05/2008 03:20:02 ‹James Jacobs› The Elaine thing is a VERY new development. We haven't anounced it officially yet.
14/05/2008 03:20:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy psymin
14/05/2008 03:20:07 ‹Absinth› Good Morning, Paizonians!
14/05/2008 03:20:18 ‹cappadocius› Isn't the point of Freeport that it can be set anywhere?
14/05/2008 03:20:18 ‹Tiger Dave› Hey Absinth
14/05/2008 03:20:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Speaking of Freeport, wasn't it on an early version of the map of Golarion? But not now?
14/05/2008 03:20:36 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Hey Absinth!!!
14/05/2008 03:20:41 ‹Venture Captain Logue› GREETINGS TO YE!
14/05/2008 03:20:59 ‹Mothman› So James, I guess you cant tell us yet exactly what Elaine will / may be writing for you guys?
14/05/2008 03:21:13 ‹Yoda8myhead› Venture Captain Logue, what can you hint to us about D1.5?
14/05/2008 03:21:21 ‹James Jacobs› Freeport was at one point going to have a tag on the map, but we decided to not go that route. We wanna keep Golarion self-contained, especially since there are a few thigns about Freeport that aren't necessarilly the case in Golarion. Namely... the way guns and serpentfolk and Yig interact with the world.
14/05/2008 03:21:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› she makes it sounds like short stories
14/05/2008 03:21:28 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Who is Elaine? I must Know!
14/05/2008 03:21:34 ‹cappadocius› Can someone explain to me why I should be excited about this Elaine Cunningham?
14/05/2008 03:21:38 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Given that Monte Cook had 'retired' from RPG design, how much have you had to pay/bribe him to come back out of retirement, or is he being blackmailed by threatening to expose the PC he sometimes plays in games wth you?
14/05/2008 03:21:39 ‹Tiger Dave› Captain my Captain, I will be putting in my orders for Dark Horizons this Wednesday when my "gaming glory" allowance refreshes itself - I loves me some dark, gritty sci fi madness
14/05/2008 03:21:58 ‹Mothman› Elaine Cunningham - wrote some FR fiction - amongst other things Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:21:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Cunningham! Ho Shit! She's the bomb!
14/05/2008 03:22:01 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> But yeah, we'll be doing stuff with serpentfolk eventually. They'll be in the darklands.
14/05/2008 03:22:01 ‹cappadocius› I really wouldn't call letting Jason email him and ask for feedback "coming out of retirement"
14/05/2008 03:22:03 ‹clight101› Like as in Elaine Cunninham, man I missed that
14/05/2008 03:22:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› D1.5!
14/05/2008 03:22:09 ‹clight101› ?
14/05/2008 03:22:16 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: stay away from Elaine.
14/05/2008 03:22:16 ‹Venture Captain Logue› My favorite thing about it is Boss Payday Teedum! What a scumbag!
14/05/2008 03:22:40 ‹Charles Evans› Nick: We don't need her driven insane by you.... Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:22:41 ‹Mothman› James: cool
14/05/2008 03:23:03 ‹Madness Follows› sanity is a CRUTCH for the WEAK!!
14/05/2008 03:23:09 ‹Yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, the fiction will be cooler if he gets his tentacles on her though
14/05/2008 03:23:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› EC writing stuff for pathfinder is just very good news
14/05/2008 03:23:32 ‹cappadocius› If you guys say so.
14/05/2008 03:23:36 ‹James Jacobs› I've actually had pretty much no contact with Monte, to be honest. His main contact is Jason. He's also good friends with a few other folk at Paizo too, which certainly helped in getting him on board.
14/05/2008 03:23:45 * Venture Captain Logue quit (timeout)
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14/05/2008 03:24:05 ‹psymin› Is Alpha 3 still slated for about the end of the week?
14/05/2008 03:24:16 ‹cappadocius› Maybe!
14/05/2008 03:24:28 * psymin grins.
14/05/2008 03:24:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› haveing someone with montes knowledge of the 3e rules and messing with said rules . to bounce stuff off of can't be a bad thing
14/05/2008 03:24:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; alpha 3 is hopefully coming soon.
14/05/2008 03:24:51 ‹Mothman› James, Vic, now that Nick is out of the room, have you guys talked to Richard Pett about writing fiction for PF?
14/05/2008 03:24:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Logue! No!
14/05/2008 03:24:56 ‹James Jacobs› End of the week soon. I'm crossing my fingers for then.
14/05/2008 03:24:57 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Have you had the chance to go out and see any films this week?
14/05/2008 03:24:59 * Absinth brews coffee
14/05/2008 03:25:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay Love to have it by sat
14/05/2008 03:25:03 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 03:25:09 ‹DaveMage› When will the Beta .pdf be out? Will you wait until the print version is ready, or will it be out first?
14/05/2008 03:25:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:25:16 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Saw Iron man last week. None this week though.
14/05/2008 03:25:18 ‹James Jacobs› So far.
14/05/2008 03:25:29 ‹Pygon› how'd you like it?
14/05/2008 03:25:31 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > So how much is MC involved? I hear he's a consultant. What exactly does that mean assuming you know which I'm guessing/hoping you do. By the way I can't even begin to describe how awesome it is you got Monte on board. He was the first RPG writer I started paying attention to and would specifically buy stuff with his name on it
14/05/2008 03:25:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what ya think of iron man james
14/05/2008 03:25:34 ‹Venture Captain Logue› The internets hate me!
14/05/2008 03:25:38 ‹Yoda8myhead› Vic, any plans for a PFRPG conversions section of the board, for NPCs and monsters and such from the 3.5 adventures?
14/05/2008 03:25:42 ‹James Jacobs› Beta will be out around Gen Con. Not sure if we're putting the PDF up AT Gen Con, but maybe...
14/05/2008 03:26:00 ‹James Jacobs› I very much liked Iron Man. It's in my top 5 superhero/comic movies of all time, in fact, GREAT mvoie.
14/05/2008 03:26:01 ‹Tiger Dave› Really liked Iron Man. Thought the preflight surface checks and the icing was interesting
14/05/2008 03:26:02 ‹Madness Follows› Hate them back, Nick
14/05/2008 03:26:16 ‹Pygon› I have yet to see it, I should
14/05/2008 03:26:25 ‹seekerofshadowlight› James Jacobs, did ya see the thing after the creds?
14/05/2008 03:26:26 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Mothman...you motherf$%~a!!!
14/05/2008 03:26:30 ‹Yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, did you find all the blatant hints at an impending franchise annoying?
14/05/2008 03:26:36 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I saw that!!!
14/05/2008 03:26:41 ‹James Jacobs› Monte's just a consultant. That means Jason bounces ideas off him now and then, and he offers advice and words of wisdom. He posted on his blog basically what all that entails.
14/05/2008 03:27:02 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are you hopeful of pursuading Monty to write adventures for Pathfinder? Even side treks?
14/05/2008 03:27:10 ‹clight101› kk, I'll have to go check out malhavok
14/05/2008 03:27:15 ‹Mothman› Nick - ha!
14/05/2008 03:27:29 ‹Mothman› I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasnt for you kids!
14/05/2008 03:27:36 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; Monte's one of the greats. It's actualy really exciting how many folk we've got helping out or writing for Pathfinder stuff. Monte, Jeff Grubb, Ed Greenwood, Elaine Cunningham, Wolfgang Baur, and lots more!
14/05/2008 03:27:56 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Okay, I think I'm back now!
14/05/2008 03:27:59 ‹James Jacobs› Of course I stayed to the stinger after the credits! I ain't no movie noob! Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:28:00 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Damn internets!
14/05/2008 03:28:23 ‹seekerofshadowlight› looks like the went with the ultimets angle
14/05/2008 03:28:23 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > That list of names is just ridiculous in the best way possible
14/05/2008 03:28:31 * Tiger Dave begins another salvo of "disconnection" missiles ...
14/05/2008 03:28:37 ‹Vic Wertz› Yes, mothman, I agree that Pett is much more talented than Louge.
14/05/2008 03:28:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda8> Not at all. It IS a franchise. If they make a Thor, Hulk, Captain America, and then an Avengers movie, and they're even HALF as good as Iron Man... Fine with me! Bring it on!
14/05/2008 03:28:42 ‹Mothman› You saw my backstabbing Nick - you're back
14/05/2008 03:28:45 * Charles Evans fires half a dozen Your browser may not support display of this image.s at Nick Logue t sink his pirate ship.... 'torpedoes away'!
14/05/2008 03:28:58 ‹Venture Captain Logue› NOOOOOO!
14/05/2008 03:29:04 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I did see it!
14/05/2008 03:29:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha!
14/05/2008 03:29:17 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I have not approached Monte yet about writing Pathfinder adventrues. Mabye in the future.
14/05/2008 03:29:35 ‹Yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I just feel like a movie shouldn't need those to be good, and the clear pandering to the fanbase got under my skin, but otherwise it was an A+ movie
14/05/2008 03:29:41 ‹Vic Wertz› Yoda, we do plan to have an area for user-generated content eventually, but I'm not sure when.
14/05/2008 03:29:42 * Skeld joins Main
14/05/2008 03:29:59 ‹clight101› He's not a venture captain for nothing. He's gonna send you all on the most horrible mission possible where you'll never be seen again and he's definenly got the mind to back it up
14/05/2008 03:30:01 ‹Venture Captain Logue› SHAMELESS PLUG TIME!...Go check out Sinister Adventures! www.sinisteradventures.com and check out Wayne Reynolds cover art for Razor Coast at www.sinisteradventures.com/ind...-vistas
14/05/2008 03:30:02 ‹Pygon› Charles - there's a tentacled velociraptor in the room with you...
14/05/2008 03:30:02 ‹Mothman› Vic: Well, Pett spells things correctly, that's a plus - none of this "American English"!
14/05/2008 03:30:04 ‹James Jacobs› It wasn't pandering, I don't think, at all.
14/05/2008 03:30:07 * lojakz is afk changes his/her nickname to lojakz
14/05/2008 03:30:12 ‹James Jacobs› It was remaining true to the story. There's a difference.
14/05/2008 03:30:16 ‹Venture Captain Logue› There...I needed to get that out!
14/05/2008 03:30:17 ‹Vic Wertz› In the meantime, keep it coming to the most appropriate fourms.
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14/05/2008 03:30:39 ‹Mothman› Whoa....
14/05/2008 03:30:39 ‹Yoda8myhead› I plan on creating a place for it on the wiki, too
14/05/2008 03:30:39 ‹James Jacobs› AND: If the movie's good, and it remains good AFTER those elements are added... then what's the problem?
14/05/2008 03:30:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lot of timming out there
14/05/2008 03:31:02 ‹Vic Wertz› Daigle is such a quitter.
14/05/2008 03:31:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I blame Logue
14/05/2008 03:31:05 ‹Charles Evans› Pygon: That's alrioght. I have half a dozen more Your browser may not support display of this image.bodyguards and a couple more scvaenging Logue's ship for interesting loot as he goes down.
14/05/2008 03:31:05 ‹Tiger Dave› Oooh - someone quit casting elder magiks in the corner - Yeah! I see you!!
14/05/2008 03:31:10 ‹Mothman› Hey Nick, look at all those people quit to go check ot your WARsome cover!
14/05/2008 03:31:10 ‹James Jacobs› I myself am not an Iron Man fan. I've never read any Iron Man comics. Nor any Avengers, Hulk, Thor, or Captain America. Yet the movie was awesome.
14/05/2008 03:31:12 ‹Yoda8myhead› The fact that they are the points I remember first when recalling it, and then I remember the stuff that redeemed them
14/05/2008 03:31:16 ‹DaveMage› Well, goodnight everyone - it's 11:30 in the east coast and WAY past my bedtime...Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:31:20 ‹Yoda8myhead› It might just be a personal hangup that I need to get over
14/05/2008 03:31:23 ‹Daigle› Weird.
14/05/2008 03:31:25 ‹Tiger Dave› Gnight Dave
14/05/2008 03:31:25 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha! I killed the chat with my shamelessnessssss!
14/05/2008 03:31:30 ‹Yoda8myhead› g'night DaveMage
14/05/2008 03:31:30 ‹Venture Captain Logue› G'night Davemage!
14/05/2008 03:31:37 ‹Daigle› Night Dave
14/05/2008 03:31:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› night dave
14/05/2008 03:31:44 ‹clight101› nite dave
14/05/2008 03:31:46 * Madness Follows looks at Nick's "shameless plug."
14/05/2008 03:31:47 ‹Yoda8myhead› Those were misfired missiles by Mothman
14/05/2008 03:31:48 ‹Mothman› seeyou Dave
14/05/2008 03:31:56 ‹robert_hawk› night dave
14/05/2008 03:31:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nick take alot more then that to kill this room
14/05/2008 03:32:06 ‹James Jacobs› And know what? Making a movie with an established fan base and then going out of your way to estrange those fans by making a different movie is kinda reprehensible.
14/05/2008 03:32:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ya should have been here for the bob topic this morning
14/05/2008 03:32:17 * Venture Captain Logue pulls out shamless plug sniffs it and hands it to Madness Follows!
14/05/2008 03:32:23 ‹robert_hawk› hey my name is bob
14/05/2008 03:32:27 ‹Mr Baron› So what will Elaine be doing for Pathfinder?
14/05/2008 03:32:31 ‹James Jacobs› Classy, Nick.
14/05/2008 03:32:36 ‹Pygon› ew
14/05/2008 03:32:40 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks James!
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14/05/2008 03:32:41 ‹Mothman› That cover is really the cool though Nick
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14/05/2008 03:32:52 ‹Charles Evans› ?
14/05/2008 03:32:56 ‹Tiger Dave› The cover IS sweet
14/05/2008 03:32:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh yes very nice cover
14/05/2008 03:33:01 ‹robert_hawk› who did the dark horizons cover?
14/05/2008 03:33:03 ‹Charles Evans› Any News on a Paizo wiki?
14/05/2008 03:33:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› seen it last night
14/05/2008 03:33:05 ‹Yoda8myhead› I'm not saying they should avoid pleasing the fans, but it just felt like too many of the hints were the easy way to do it. I wanted it to be more subtle.
14/05/2008 03:33:09 ‹Mothman› I like the Known Universe Gazetter cover too
14/05/2008 03:33:10 ‹Tiger Dave› Oh - and Hi, Bob
14/05/2008 03:33:13 ‹James Jacobs› Elaine will be writing some Pathfinder Journals. I believe the ones in Pathfinder 19 through 24.
14/05/2008 03:33:21 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Mothy!
14/05/2008 03:33:27 ‹clight101› Now I just have to wait for DV#1 to ship Nick, then I'll be happy
14/05/2008 03:33:32 ‹Mothman› Ha! I called it (EC doing PF Journal)
14/05/2008 03:33:35 ‹Tiger Dave› Yeah - I'm really liking the Dark Horizons art
14/05/2008 03:33:39 ‹Skeld› i have to say, I'm a big fans of the pathfinder journals
14/05/2008 03:33:45 ‹Yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, check out the new face on http://www.pathfinderwiki.com
14/05/2008 03:33:48 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Tiger and seekers! The Cold Black cover is Kevin Yan!
14/05/2008 03:33:50 ‹Skeld› it's usually the first thing i read
14/05/2008 03:33:52 ‹clight101› Endo Kline is a fun ride
14/05/2008 03:33:57 ‹James Jacobs› Subtlety doesn't really have a place in a movie about an Iron Man who flies and shoots rockets, though...
14/05/2008 03:34:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Awww yeah clight! It's a coming!
14/05/2008 03:34:12 ‹Madness Follows› Nick, I'll definately check out this. Question: What game systems will the PDFs be configured to?
14/05/2008 03:34:26 ‹Yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, she mentioned they were "dark fantasy." Does this mean that Eando will enter some dark(er) times, or will they not involve him at all
14/05/2008 03:34:28 ‹Absinth› Me too. The PF journals are the first feature I read after skipping through the book for the 1st time.
14/05/2008 03:35:07 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Madness: MANY SYSTEMS! OGL, True 20, and more!
14/05/2008 03:35:19 ‹Venture Captain Logue› You buy one, you get the other versions for frees!
14/05/2008 03:35:24 ‹Charles Evans› NicK What scurvy rogue won your Treasure hoard competition by the way?
14/05/2008 03:35:27 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Eando's current story comes to an end in Pathfinder 18. We'll have a new pathfinder to follow after that.
14/05/2008 03:35:29 ‹Tiger Dave› I plan on using Traveller d20 with the Dark Horizons materials - I much prefer those classes to the d20 Modern classes (Strong Hero? Smart Hero?)
14/05/2008 03:35:33 ‹Madness Follows› Mutants & Masterminds?
14/05/2008 03:35:35 ‹Venture Captain Logue› As the other versions are completed I'll send updated pdfs to people!
14/05/2008 03:35:40 ‹James Jacobs› And that's REALLY all I know about it.
14/05/2008 03:35:43 ‹Venture Captain Logue› The hoard competition is still being judged!
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14/05/2008 03:35:57 ‹James Jacobs› By "dark fantasy" I suppose she's talking about the themes of Golarion; it's not a happy Narnia place.
14/05/2008 03:35:57 ‹Venture Captain Logue› No on M&M, but I WILL be writing some M&M adventures verys oon.
14/05/2008 03:35:59 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
14/05/2008 03:36:01 ‹Venture Captain Logue› soon even!
14/05/2008 03:36:17 ‹seekerofshadowlight› never cheacked out travller d20
14/05/2008 03:36:20 ‹Charles Evans› Narnia happy????
14/05/2008 03:36:30 ‹deClench› Venture Captain Logue, yay M&M!
14/05/2008 03:36:34 ‹James Jacobs› Narnia happy! As in, the movies are PG.
14/05/2008 03:36:43 ‹Madness Follows› awesome. I just hope I get to play them. I can't seem to finds me a M&M 2e crew
14/05/2008 03:36:46 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion is PG-13 on a good day.
14/05/2008 03:36:48 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I ate Narnia and then I took a naked bath with eunuchs and declared: "I am the Lord of Heaven!"
14/05/2008 03:36:50 ‹Charles Evans› I thought Narnia tended to lurch from one Narnia shaking crsis to the next, in between trips by those pesky children?
14/05/2008 03:36:53 ‹Vic Wertz› Paizo wiki is high on the to-do list, but to-do list has many items at the top that are going to take a while.
14/05/2008 03:36:54 ‹Tiger Dave› I've been playing Traveller since ... 1979-ish, so its old hat for me.
14/05/2008 03:37:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Ah. PG.
14/05/2008 03:37:14 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion is R on a better day.
14/05/2008 03:37:14 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Yeah, I love supers. My favorite game growing up was the old MARVEL superheroes rpg by Jeff Grubb! I still play it all the time!
14/05/2008 03:37:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› Vic Wertz, you're gonna make our wiki obsolete?
14/05/2008 03:37:38 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I'll be doing OGL Traveller versions of Dark Horizons (Mongoose's new Traveller is supposedly open system).
14/05/2008 03:37:38 ‹Vic Wertz› First is improving customer control of shipping (including shipping non-subscription items with subs).
14/05/2008 03:37:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› FASERIP!
14/05/2008 03:37:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh that was such a fun game
14/05/2008 03:37:40 ‹deClench› Mmm, Marvel.
14/05/2008 03:37:41 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > Golarion is R most days
14/05/2008 03:37:49 ‹cappadocius› I don't know why they bothered making any other superhero games after MSH.
14/05/2008 03:37:50 ‹clight101› which is fine
14/05/2008 03:37:52 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Marvel so good!
14/05/2008 03:37:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I have AMAZING strength!
14/05/2008 03:38:17 ‹Vic Wertz› Then comes Pathfinder Society infrastructure.
14/05/2008 03:38:20 ‹Daigle› My cousin and I used to make up characters and then drawn the team.
14/05/2008 03:38:20 ‹deClench› Paizo superheroes?
14/05/2008 03:38:21 ‹Pygon› that's because Golarion has mostly better days
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14/05/2008 03:38:28 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I like mnm now days but still have the old marvel system
14/05/2008 03:38:32 ‹Venture Captain Logue› It's like real life for me! I have MONSTROUS endurance!
14/05/2008 03:38:34 ‹Vic Wertz› there are some small ones in there, but then comes wiki.
14/05/2008 03:38:34 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Hi Eyebite!
14/05/2008 03:38:37 ‹clight101› Pygon > good point
14/05/2008 03:38:41 ‹Daigle› Howdy Eyebite!
14/05/2008 03:38:42 ‹Eyebite› Logue! Hey
14/05/2008 03:38:46 ‹Eyebite› Daigle!
14/05/2008 03:38:49 ‹Tiger Dave› I haven't really looked into the Mongoose offering yet - I have too many versions of Traveller on my shelf as it is Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:38:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey eyebite
14/05/2008 03:39:11 ‹Eyebite› *Kicks in a wall of the chat and bursts through the hole like the Koolaid man* OHHHH YEAH!
14/05/2008 03:39:16 ‹Eyebite› hey seeker
14/05/2008 03:39:19 ‹Vic Wertz› Sorry, Yoda—but we'll be able to do some really neat stuff that can't be done with off-the-shelf packages.
14/05/2008 03:39:49 ‹Yoda8myhead› any chance of incorporating the work people are doing now into what you guys build?
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14/05/2008 03:39:54 ‹Vic Wertz› And, as I said, it'll take us a long time. I doubt you'll see much in 2008, if anything.
03:40:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Eyebite, ever heard dan cooks view on that lol
14/05/2008 03:40:33 ‹Vic Wertz› That would be a nice thing to be able to do.
14/05/2008 03:40:39 ‹cappadocius› Is anyone here working on Hungry Are The Dead?
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14/05/2008 03:40:48 * cappadocius looks at the Paizonians.
14/05/2008 03:40:51 ‹James Jacobs› yup
14/05/2008 03:40:55 ‹Eyebite› Dane Cook? Yeah, heh I saw his stand up bit with the koolaid man
14/05/2008 03:40:58 ‹Absinth› Vic, please make sure to fix the non-sub/subscription combo first!
14/05/2008 03:41:04 ‹cappadocius› Any spoilers for it?
14/05/2008 03:41:11 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 03:41:24 ‹James Jacobs› not yet...
14/05/2008 03:41:24 ‹Vic Wertz› Absinth, Gary's working on it now!
14/05/2008 03:41:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› Yes, spoilers, please. (that's why we come here)
14/05/2008 03:41:34 ‹cappadocius› Curses!
14/05/2008 03:41:37 ‹Madness Follows› Nick.... what I'm really liking about Cold Dark is that one could play a prisoner if one chose to.
14/05/2008 03:41:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Eyebite, yay I think of it every time some one brings the koolaid man up now lol
14/05/2008 03:41:45 ‹Yoda8myhead› spoilers about anything. anything at all
14/05/2008 03:41:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› I come here for the beer...
14/05/2008 03:41:53 ‹Mothman› Hungry are the Dead? Which one's that? PArt of CotCT?
14/05/2008 03:41:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› Your browser may not support display of this image.
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14/05/2008 03:42:06 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Oh yes indeed you could...there is even a sidebar on it. In one of the playtests I played a prisoner.
14/05/2008 03:42:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I would also like a beer
14/05/2008 03:42:11 ‹James Jacobs› It's a 32 page adventure that comes out later this year.
14/05/2008 03:42:15 ‹Venture Captain Logue› He was so much fun we put him in the adventure as a NPC!
14/05/2008 03:42:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› or wiskey
14/05/2008 03:42:25 ‹Yoda8myhead› Mothman, Pathinder Module D4 in August
14/05/2008 03:42:26 ‹Madness Follows› awesomeness
14/05/2008 03:42:29 ‹Mothman› James, sounds good
14/05/2008 03:42:34 ‹Mothman› good name
14/05/2008 03:42:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› I wish I had more time to look at the dark horizons stuff that's coming. What I've seen looks awesomely cool!
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14/05/2008 03:42:57 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Scribe!
14/05/2008 03:43:07 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 03:43:21 ‹Daigle› Cold black has a sexy background and story.
14/05/2008 03:43:38 ‹Tiger Dave› Yeah - Paizo needs to sell some packaged Game Time, and Game Master Prep Time. James - those would sell really well, you should look into it .... (chuckle)
14/05/2008 03:44:06 ‹Tiger Dave› "Oh look! 4 extra hours this day! Game is on tonight, guys!"
14/05/2008 03:44:09 ‹Mothman› James, when are we going to meet the Cinderlander? Will he be friend or foe?
14/05/2008 03:44:18 ‹James Jacobs› If we figured out that technology, our first product would be pre-packaged Work Time.
14/05/2008 03:44:32 ‹cappadocius› He has candy! But do not trust the Cinderlander! There are no toys in his van!
14/05/2008 03:44:40 ‹James Jacobs› The Cinderlander shows up in Pathfinder #10. He starts out a foe, pretty much. For most groups, he'll go out a foe too.
14/05/2008 03:44:41 ‹Tiger Dave› Meh. I get enough work time as it is, thank you ...
14/05/2008 03:44:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:44:53 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I definitely don't trust the Cinderlander! He freaks me out. Love his background!
14/05/2008 03:45:02 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Does Paizo sell transarent map overlays with superimposed grids?
14/05/2008 03:45:13 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Daigle! I'm pumped about Dark Horizons!
03:45:29 ‹Madness Follows› Nick, that's cause cindermander is a pokemon
14/05/2008 03:45:29 ‹James Jacobs› You're gonna be sharking a cube with him, Nick... so you better can that kinda talk!
14/05/2008 03:45:31 ‹Eyebite› On the Cinderlander, is the front end of his crossbow (which looks sweet by the way) a bayonet like weapon?
14/05/2008 03:45:41 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: I ask because I saw a thread in the RotRL section, where someone was wiondering how to impose a 1" square grid on a map dowload?
14/05/2008 03:45:45 ‹Vic Wertz› Hmm. Can't think of anything like that...
14/05/2008 03:45:49 ‹Tiger Dave› Cold Black is going to be full of Awesome. I'm already salivating hearing the screams of my kids over that one ...
14/05/2008 03:45:54 ‹James Jacobs› Could be if you want it to be! It's not in the adventure though.
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14/05/2008 03:46:22 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: I was thinking that there must be someone out there who produced and sold overlays with grids.
14/05/2008 03:46:30 ‹Eyebite› Ah, it's all pointy ....so if he needs an immediate close-range weapon,,,,,I think I'll make it a bayonet
14/05/2008 03:46:35 ‹psymin_lap› So, which one of you is coming to MisCon?
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14/05/2008 03:46:36 * cappadocius ponders a Nick Logue filler to slip in between Skinsaw and Hook Mountain.
14/05/2008 03:46:41 ‹psymin_lap› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:47:00 ‹James Jacobs› The initial FR boxed set shipped with transparent hex overlays... so the industry CAN make that type of thing happen...
14/05/2008 03:47:03 ‹Samwise› VCL>was back before Spaceballs came out, when playing the MSH game, I said I wanted a weapon made of Ludicrous strength material that did Ridiculous damage - for some reason the game master never let me have it Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:47:04 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Where is MisCon?
14/05/2008 03:47:18 ‹Tiger Dave› Charles - you should be able to take some transparency overlays to Kinkos (or whatever copier business you have in UK) and have them run them off for you - I do it all the time with hex overlays
14/05/2008 03:47:24 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Possibly because in the old 2nd edition FR AD & D boxed set, the maps of the realsm came wth a hex overlay so you could calulate distances. Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:47:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› James Jacobs, owww I still have and use them
14/05/2008 03:47:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nick! WE just finished playing Last Resort! It was a blast!
14/05/2008 03:47:35 ‹lojakz› I've got a lot of those overlays from various box sets over the years
14/05/2008 03:47:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› the overlays have came in handy a few times
14/05/2008 03:47:58 ‹Charles Evans› Tiger: It was someone posting on one of the RotRL threads, not me personally needing them.
14/05/2008 03:48:07 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Scribe! I have a soft spot for that adventure. That was Erik and James taking a chance on a little douchebag like me! Rock!
14/05/2008 03:48:25 ‹Venture Captain Logue› cappa: Hmmmm...what would be a good filler.
14/05/2008 03:48:26 ‹Mothman› James, the drow babe on the cover of PF ... 13 I think, can you share what class she is? And what's her take on spiders?
14/05/2008 03:48:37 ‹James Jacobs› Heh... I still remember taking Nick aside at Gen Con and saying, "Hey guy, wanna step up and write an Age of Worms adventure. YOU MAN ENOUGH FOR IT?"
14/05/2008 03:48:43 ‹Venture Captain Logue› It should be for 6th or 7th level right?
14/05/2008 03:48:56 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Me too James!
14/05/2008 03:49:00 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The drow on PF 13? Anyone mind if I spoiler her class?
14/05/2008 03:49:10 ‹Eyebite› nope
14/05/2008 03:49:10 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I was shitting my pants but trying to be all like: "Sure no probs man."
14/05/2008 03:49:14 ‹robert_hawk› nope
14/05/2008 03:49:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› please do spoil away
14/05/2008 03:49:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› spoilers are okay by me
14/05/2008 03:49:36 ‹Tiger Dave› Ah. I think the
May 13th, 2008 - part 2
14/05/2008 03:50:59 ‹Mothman› Oh! Library of Last Resort, thats right .... I've just starting DMing an AoW game, so I should know...
14/05/2008 03:51:03 ‹cappadocius› or Intellect Devourers!
14/05/2008 03:51:08 ‹cappadocius› how cute *are* their fuzzy little paws?
14/05/2008 03:51:18 ‹Yoda8myhead› Pain Taster is awesome, in name alone
14/05/2008 03:51:25 ‹Charles Evans› Evening Timitius.
14/05/2008 03:51:30 ‹Vic Wertz› Why did it have to be snakes?
14/05/2008 03:51:37 ‹James Jacobs› Derro will have some love in "Into the Darklands."
14/05/2008 03:51:39 ‹Mothman› James, cool. She looks bad ass
14/05/2008 03:51:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
14/05/2008 03:51:40 ‹Tiger Dave› Vic - ROFL
14/05/2008 03:51:41 * psymin_lap smirks.
14/05/2008 03:51:50 ‹lojakz› WOOHOO DERRO!!
14/05/2008 03:51:52 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Indiana quote?
14/05/2008 03:52:03 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure there'll be any in Second Darkness. There's none scheduled. But then, the authors haven't finished them but for Greg so far...
14/05/2008 03:52:06 ‹Mothman› Charles: yup
14/05/2008 03:52:06 * psymin_lap nods.
14/05/2008 03:52:15 ‹Madness Follows› dant da dah nah.... dant da nah
14/05/2008 03:52:21 ‹Vic Wertz› Y! Ready for Crystal Skull! We're taking the whole office!
14/05/2008 03:52:22 ‹Charles Evans› Which reminds me, is the Paizo team going to see Indiana Jones IV?
14/05/2008 03:52:31 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
14/05/2008 03:52:32 ‹cappadocius› Will there be Tero in "Into the Darklands"?
14/05/2008 03:52:32 ‹James Jacobs› Yes
14/05/2008 03:52:39 ‹Charles Evans› You answered before I asked.
14/05/2008 03:52:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sweet going soon as it opens here
14/05/2008 03:52:51 ‹Vic Wertz› You asked after I answered!
14/05/2008 03:52:53 ‹Tiger Dave› Hehehehe. I need a cool job like that ...
14/05/2008 03:52:54 ‹James Jacobs› nope; no Tero in "Into the Darklands."
14/05/2008 03:52:59 ‹cappadocius› SWEET... oh.
14/05/2008 03:53:01 ‹Madness Follows› Still need to take the Niece+Nephew to see Speed Racer, which I predict will be awesomely bad.
14/05/2008 03:53:03 ‹cappadocius› yes to the Indy question.
14/05/2008 03:53:13 ‹Yoda8myhead› Madness> I actually heard the song. I can never get melodies to translate into text but you did a bangup job there
14/05/2008 03:53:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well vic it's almost a requirment
14/05/2008 03:53:22 ‹James Jacobs› The derro in D&D are way different than the ones in the Shaver Mystery.
14/05/2008 03:53:23 ‹Tiger Dave› I need to take my son to Speed, and I am actually looking forward to it
14/05/2008 03:53:47 ‹cappadocius› Curses!
14/05/2008 03:53:48 ‹Madness Follows› thank you! thank you!
14/05/2008 03:54:28 * cappadocius is getting all his (unrealistic) hopes and dreams dashed tonight.
14/05/2008 03:54:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep good job on that madness
14/05/2008 03:54:43 ‹Madness Follows› Your browser may not support display of this image. << this is a new one... I like
14/05/2008 03:54:44 ‹Eyebite› Just out of curiosity, how long between when a book in a Paizo AP is turned in and it's published? What's the average length of time?
14/05/2008 03:54:49 ‹Vic Wertz› I think I saw all I needed to see of Speed Racer in the first 5 seconds of the TV commercial.
14/05/2008 03:54:53 ‹Absinth› James, when you're designing monsters; what's first? The artwork or the stats?
14/05/2008 03:55:02 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Do you have any Pathfinder RPG boxed starter sets planned for the future?
14/05/2008 03:55:11 ‹Madness Follows› two words Vic "Awesomely Bad"
14/05/2008 03:55:21 ‹lojakz› i will see Speed Racer, cause seeing bad films is what i do.
14/05/2008 03:55:23 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Or would there likely not be sufficient demand?
14/05/2008 03:55:27 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I'm slated to move out to Seattle in June.
14/05/2008 03:55:28 ‹cappadocius› How long until a Geb module?
14/05/2008 03:55:32 ‹Tiger Dave› Well, I love campy movies - my RL life is a tad on the "over serious" side so I can handle stuff like that
14/05/2008 03:55:35 ‹Daigle› I know doodly squat about the Speed Racer movie. Is CHim Chim in it?
14/05/2008 03:55:35 ‹Yoda8myhead› Charles, wasn't that what the Treasure Chest was supposed to be?
14/05/2008 03:55:40 ‹cappadocius› Why isn't Nick Logue writing something set in Geb?
14/05/2008 03:55:44 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Neither. The flavor. The concept. Out of that is born the artwork. Stats are generally the last part of the equation.
14/05/2008 03:55:46 ‹Vic Wertz› We don't really have a lot of firm plans past the finished hardcover yet. It's a long way off!
14/05/2008 03:55:49 ‹deClench› Nic in Seatle? No shit!
14/05/2008 03:55:54 ‹Madness Follows› MONKEY LOVE!!!
14/05/2008 03:56:10 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: The Pathfinder hardcover, you mean, not the Golarion Hardcover?
14/05/2008 03:56:27 ‹Vic Wertz› The RPG hardcover.
14/05/2008 03:56:30 ‹cappadocius› Ooo! Ooo! Are "Substitution Levels" OGL and if so, can we see some in upcoming Pathfinder articles and/or Chronicles?
14/05/2008 03:56:30 ‹Mothman› James, how do you begin to come up with an idea for an AP? A location you want to use, a plot idea, a theme, a set of monsters, the BBEG?
14/05/2008 03:56:32 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> It's generally 6 to 8 weeks after we send the book to the printer that we get them back in our warehouse. Usually closer to 6 weeks.
14/05/2008 03:56:37 ‹psymin_lap› Beta will be hardcover?
14/05/2008 03:56:40 ‹Madness Follows› Daigle yes chim chim is given some monkey love!
14/05/2008 03:56:47 ‹Vic Wertz› Beta is softcover.
14/05/2008 03:57:00 ‹Eyebite› hm, interesting. I always wondered what the turnaround time was.
14/05/2008 03:57:01 ‹Yoda8myhead› Nick, if you need help packing, I'd be glad to assist in exchange for spoilies
14/05/2008 03:57:02 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Dunno about a Geb module. We've got none on schedule, and our schedule goes to the end of this year.
14/05/2008 03:57:04 ‹Absinth› I wondered, because in the Monsternomicon II thread, Wesley mentioned that the guys at Privateer gave him artwork and asked him to design the featured monsters. So I wondered if this is common business practice.
14/05/2008 03:57:06 ‹Vic Wertz› Hardcover is finished product in August 2009.
14/05/2008 03:57:11 ‹psymin_lap› ahh
14/05/2008 03:57:23 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha! Thanks yoda!
14/05/2008 03:57:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› Vic, how much of a presence is Paizo having at Origins this year?
14/05/2008 03:57:33 ‹James Jacobs› Substitution levels are not OGL, really.
14/05/2008 03:57:38 ‹cappadocius› DAMN
14/05/2008 03:57:40 ‹Vic Wertz› Hey—we have a job opening in customer service—tell everyone you know!
14/05/2008 03:57:44 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ha! They won't let me touch Geb! That's Erik's baby!
14/05/2008 03:57:44 ‹James Jacobs› There's other similar rules mechanics that are, though.
14/05/2008 03:57:46 ‹Hill Giant› Absinth: Privateer was started by two artists, so I imagine they have an art bent...
14/05/2008 03:57:47 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Your browser may not support display of this image.
14/05/2008 03:58:02 * cappadocius shakes his fist at Mona.
14/05/2008 03:58:05 ‹Eyebite› "Geb" sounds very REH
14/05/2008 03:58:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› Shit! I used to be a customer service manager at IKEA...
14/05/2008 03:58:13 ‹Eyebite› and that's a good thing
14/05/2008 03:58:15 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 03:58:20 ‹Vic Wertz› We'll have a lot of folks at Origins, but our big show—and the Pathfinder Society launch—is Gen Con.
14/05/2008 03:58:22 ‹Tiger Dave› Vik - I retire next April ...
14/05/2008 03:58:35 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Any word in the industry if hasbro will attend GenCon yet?
14/05/2008 03:58:42 ‹Absinth› Hill Giant, that might be the reason. But I found it to be a cool way to design creatures.
14/05/2008 03:58:51 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> It's different for pretty much everyone, I suspect. I'm pretty sure, for example, that at WotC, the stats and monster's role in a combat are the first step. And they've also got the extra step of "can we do this as a mini" too.
14/05/2008 03:58:53 * Joey Virtue joins Main
14/05/2008 03:58:53 ‹Yoda8myhead› Vic, did someone leave, or are you expanding?
14/05/2008 03:58:54 ‹Madness Follows› Nick, then Erik is being such a baby!
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14/05/2008 03:59:00 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Gen Con! PFS LAUNCH! Be there! Or DIE IN A TORRENT OF UNHOLY FIRE!
14/05/2008 03:59:02 ‹Charles Evans› hasbro/WotC, I mean
14/05/2008 03:59:12 ‹psymin_lap› Corey is leaving
14/05/2008 03:59:13 ‹Vic Wertz› I don't think I've heard anything official either way, but I'd be pretty surprised if Wizards isn't there.
14/05/2008 03:59:15 ‹cappadocius› I'll be there!
14/05/2008 03:59:22 ‹cappadocius› I suppose I need to buy my event tickets.
14/05/2008 03:59:35 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Sweet cappa!
14/05/2008 03:59:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm thinking of skipping Gen Con this year...
14/05/2008 03:59:54 ‹Madness Follows› :sad: I have yet to make a GenCon
14/05/2008 04:00:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› same here madness
14/05/2008 04:00:08 ‹Charles Evans› Did someone just say Czarina is leaving Paizo?
14/05/2008 04:00:10 ‹paul› i have not either
14/05/2008 04:00:19 ‹Rambling Scribe› (not really, just trying to make Nick's head explode...)
14/05/2008 04:00:26 ‹Tiger Dave› Resume: Proficient with all small arms, .50 Cal machinegun, 60mm, 81mm, 107mm and 120mm mortars, and UAV-fired hellfires, numerous hand-carried missile systems, assorted bombs, explosives, etc. Should make me perfect for Customer Service ...
14/05/2008 04:00:27 ‹Timitius› Cap'n Logue, so will you be up to run a Pathfinder Society event at PaizoCon II next year?
14/05/2008 04:00:30 ‹cappadocius› Charles: She's got a sweet job in Washington DC
14/05/2008 04:00:32 * BM joins Main
14/05/2008 04:00:34 ‹Venture Captain Logue› GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
14/05/2008 04:00:40 ‹cappadocius› Charles: So, yes, she's leaving Paizo.
14/05/2008 04:00:42 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Don't do that Scribe!
14/05/2008 04:00:48 ‹clight101› I'm going to Origions too
14/05/2008 04:00:54 ‹Venture Captain Logue› You better friggin believe it Timitius!
14/05/2008 04:00:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello BM
14/05/2008 04:00:57 ‹Absinth› I'd like to go there one day, but I guess my gf will call the guys with the non-smoker jackets if I'll tell her I'll fly around the world to attend a con...:)
14/05/2008 04:01:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm going to both cons this year.
14/05/2008 04:01:04 ‹Tiger Dave› Logue - already signed up for all 4 adventures for th PFS roll-out
14/05/2008 04:01:08 ‹Charles Evans› Ummm. What job (unless it involves geology or food) could be better than working at Paizo?
14/05/2008 04:01:11 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Cool clight! I'll see ya there!
14/05/2008 04:01:25 ‹cappadocius› I think it's with a car dealer?
14/05/2008 04:01:26 ‹Charles Evans› In the US, anyway?
14/05/2008 04:01:27 ‹BM› hi seeker
14/05/2008 04:01:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› And this coming weekend is Can Games, the big con in my home town.
14/05/2008 04:01:31 ‹Mothman› Hey Vic, if you can fly me over from Oz I'll do customer service for you. Now ... the customer is always ... right?
14/05/2008 04:01:34 ‹cappadocius› I'm pretty sure there are cars involved somehow.
14/05/2008 04:01:53 ‹cappadocius› and it pays vastly more sums of money than Paizo can, sadly, dish out.
14/05/2008 04:01:58 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Tiger Dave! You DA MAN!
14/05/2008 04:01:59 * Lilith joins Main
14/05/2008 04:02:11 ‹Charles Evans› At a time of a recession she's going to work for a car-dealer? :shock: I hope she's okay there.
14/05/2008 04:02:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey Lilith
14/05/2008 04:02:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lilz!
14/05/2008 04:02:19 ‹Daigle› Lilz!
14/05/2008 04:02:21 ‹James Jacobs› LILITH! :glomp:
14/05/2008 04:02:26 ‹Yoda8myhead› welcome back Lilith
14/05/2008 04:02:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› :glomp:
14/05/2008 04:02:34 * Charles Evans :cthulhu::glomp:s Lilith.#
14/05/2008 04:02:40 ‹clight101› I'm so stoked for the PFS adventures at Gencon, I'm in all four also
14/05/2008 04:02:43 ‹Daigle› Jinx, Craig
14/05/2008 04:02:46 ‹cappadocius› Charles: I'm going on vague memories of the Sunday impromptu chat.
14/05/2008 04:02:47 ‹clight101› hey Lilith
14/05/2008 04:02:48 * Lilith hath arrived!
14/05/2008 04:02:52 ‹cappadocius› I just remember it was in DC
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14/05/2008 04:02:53 ‹Joey Virtue› hello all
14/05/2008 04:02:53 ‹Madness Follows› NICK!!! I'm on top!
14/05/2008 04:02:55 ‹robert_hawk› scribe>Can games? where is that? out east?
14/05/2008 04:02:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› :-#
14/05/2008 04:02:59 ‹cappadocius› and paid phat lewt.
14/05/2008 04:02:59 ‹Charles Evans› :wizzap:
14/05/2008 04:03:00 ‹Timitius› Lilz!!!:hugs:
14/05/2008 04:03:03 ‹Venture Captain Logue› We need a gang-glomp smiley for the chat!
14/05/2008 04:03:16 ‹cappadocius› Would that look a little dirty?
14/05/2008 04:03:17 ‹Lilith› Hooray!
14/05/2008 04:03:19 ‹Absinth› Greetings, oh mistress of the Paizo Chat! :)
14/05/2008 04:03:20 ‹Tiger Dave› To be honest - Paizo is the only reason I'm going to GenCon - who DOESN'T want to be in the inaugural runs?
14/05/2008 04:03:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› Can Games is in Ottawa, Canada.
14/05/2008 04:03:34 ‹Vic Wertz› Sadly, folks, I need to go! See you on the boards!
04:03:38 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I want to be in the middle!
14/05/2008 04:03:42 ‹lojakz› i'm very happy about the Pathfinder Society. you're still planning a way to set up for home play? that's the only way i'm going to be able to get invovled, as i'm moving in July to a place with no FLGS
14/05/2008 04:03:42 ‹Lilith› TIMMEH!
14/05/2008 04:03:45 ‹Yoda8myhead› later Vic.
14/05/2008 04:03:46 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Vic!
14/05/2008 04:03:47 ‹Absinth› Bye, Vic!
14/05/2008 04:03:48 ‹cappadocius› bye Vic!
14/05/2008 04:03:48 ‹robert_hawk› Hmm wrong side of the rockies for me
14/05/2008 04:03:49 ‹Eyebite› Night Vic
14/05/2008 04:03:50 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Vic.
14/05/2008 04:03:50 ‹cappadocius› we love you!
14/05/2008 04:03:54 ‹Mothman› See you Vic
14/05/2008 04:03:57 ‹Timitius› Goodnite Vic!
14/05/2008 04:04:01 ‹robert_hawk› night vic
14/05/2008 04:04:01 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya, Vic!
14/05/2008 04:04:07 ‹Venture Captain Logue› G'night Vic!
14/05/2008 04:04:08 ‹ollibolli› good morning from... what ever (I'm still afsleep)
14/05/2008 04:04:08 ‹Tiger Dave› G'Night Vic!
14/05/2008 04:04:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite vic
14/05/2008 04:04:15 ‹clight101› nite vic
14/05/2008 04:04:23 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Vic
14/05/2008 04:04:24 ‹Madness Follows› brb need to take a pill
14/05/2008 04:04:26 ‹Daigle› Bye Vic! Thanks for hanging out!
14/05/2008 04:04:28 * Lilith gives Vic a good bye glomp! :glomp:
14/05/2008 04:04:32 ‹Absinth› Olli, you meant France...;)
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14/05/2008 04:04:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm officially representing Titanic Games at Can Games, running Demos for something 20 hours over the weekend.
14/05/2008 04:04:50 ‹ollibolli› oui?
14/05/2008 04:04:51 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How close is Erik to RESTARTING THE TYRALANDI GAME?
14/05/2008 04:04:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› something like...
14/05/2008 04:04:56 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli
14/05/2008 04:05:07 ‹James Jacobs› HA! The Tyralandi game! I approve of that branding.
14/05/2008 04:05:07 ‹Yoda8myhead› I wish more than anything that I could be at GenCon this year for PFS rollout. But I guess homeplay or running them at FLGS will have to do
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14/05/2008 04:05:29 ‹ollibolli› homeplay for me
14/05/2008 04:05:38 ‹James Jacobs› My guess... it'll restart in the middle of June. Unless the con season takes over, at which point it won't be till late August.
14/05/2008 04:05:47 ‹clight101› Scribe > What's the site for the convention?
14/05/2008 04:05:56 ‹Tiger Dave› Heh - I only get the opportunity to go to GenCon once in a decade - I ain't missing this one.
14/05/2008 04:06:03 ‹Eyebite› Any updates on when we'll see "M1" - the first in the now near legendary "Mona line" of adventures?
14/05/2008 04:06:14 ‹Venture Captain Logue› ollibolli! Howzit! I missed you somehow!
14/05/2008 04:06:16 ‹Charles Evans› James: You hit snags in the edit process, slurping up your Erik's spare time?
14/05/2008 04:06:16 ‹clight101› Scribe > I'm in buffalo NY so I'm not that far away
14/05/2008 04:06:17 ‹Venture Captain Logue› But now I see yoU!
14/05/2008 04:06:22 ‹James Jacobs› Nope; he has to write it, and until it's DONE it ain't going on no schedules!
14/05/2008 04:06:41 ‹Eyebite› heh I figured :D
14/05/2008 04:06:50 ‹ollibolli› Hi, o razor sharp captain of the Pathfinder Society
14/05/2008 04:06:55 ‹James Jacobs› There are more snags in the edit process than there are in a snag-powered snag factory on Planet Snag.
14/05/2008 04:07:06 ‹Mothman› James, how do you begin to come up with an idea for an AP? A location you want to use, a plot idea, a theme, a set of monsters, the BBEG?
14/05/2008 04:07:15 ‹clight101› That's a lot of snags
14/05/2008 04:07:16 ‹Absinth› James, what are you working on right now? Still Into The Darklands?
14/05/2008 04:07:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
14/05/2008 04:07:26 ‹James Jacobs› Right now? Pathfinder 12.
14/05/2008 04:07:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› http://www.cangames.ca/
14/05/2008 04:07:51 ‹clight101› Scribe > Ty :-)
14/05/2008 04:07:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Buffalo isn't too far.
14/05/2008 04:07:58 ‹paul› how much do you guys think i will have to chagne RotRL adventure path for 3 players? I had 4 now we have a duskblade,cleric,warlock
14/05/2008 04:08:01 ‹James Jacobs› Writing? Into the Darklands and the Second Darkness Player's Guide.
14/05/2008 04:08:35 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Scribe! Next time I am in Buffalo you have to come down then!
14/05/2008 04:08:42 ‹Venture Captain Logue› You, Chris and I can get our game on!
14/05/2008 04:08:50 ‹Absinth› James, did you read or watched something for inspiration?
14/05/2008 04:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> That's a crazy complex question. Basically... it's part listening to what the customers are excited about, then combining that with what WE'RE excited about, and then going from there.
14/05/2008 04:08:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› paul, you'll be missing a rogue-type, but you should have melee/magic down pretty good
14/05/2008 04:09:11 ‹paul› yeah the one that left was a sorcer
14/05/2008 04:09:16 ‹Mothman› James, fair enough!
14/05/2008 04:09:19 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Absolutely. Everything I've read and watched over the past 3 decades is pretty much open for inspiration.
14/05/2008 04:09:26 ‹paul› poor poor bastards with nicks traps in hook
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14/05/2008 04:09:29 ‹Tiger Dave› Paul - I just throw in one of the premades as an NPC/Hireling and off we go
14/05/2008 04:09:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Let me know when Nick, and I'll see what I can swing.
14/05/2008 04:09:40 ‹lojakz› there's so much coming with Pathfinder, I can't even think of things I want to see, because I want to see it all.
14/05/2008 04:09:46 ‹paul› that was the way i was leaning
14/05/2008 04:09:49 ‹paul› tiger
14/05/2008 04:10:01 ‹paul› maybe a playtest npc
14/05/2008 04:10:04 ‹Absinth› James, I meant especially for SD PG and the Darklands book.
14/05/2008 04:10:06 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Rock! Thanks Scribe! I might be in Buffalo the first week in June!
14/05/2008 04:10:11 ‹Daigle› Howdy Blazej
14/05/2008 04:10:13 ‹Joey Virtue› For the major cons this year whats going on for Origins I heard Jason and Erick will be there
14/05/2008 04:10:20 ‹James Jacobs› The big things? Monster movies, horror movies, Kurosawa movies, Lovecraft, R.E. Howard, Clark Ashton Smith, Stephen King, All the D&D Adventures Ever Published, friends and enemies, Dinosaurs, Cryptozoology, ...
14/05/2008 04:10:23 ‹James Jacobs› oh. For Darklands.
14/05/2008 04:10:49 ‹Blazej› Hello Daigle.
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14/05/2008 04:11:02 ‹clight101› Me too Nick. Sorry I was looking at the canada games convention
14/05/2008 04:11:10 ‹James Jacobs› The #1 source of inspiration for Darklands and Second Darkness are the old drow adventures from 1st edition. "Queen of the Spiders," basically.
14/05/2008 04:11:10 ‹paul› still trying to convince the duskblade that a playtest char would be better
14/05/2008 04:11:20 ‹Mothman› Oh James, did Jason ever get revenge for the Sailor Venus thing? Or is revenge a dish best served cold? (or served after Alpha 3)
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14/05/2008 04:11:41 ‹ollibolli› I love Kurosawa movies. My first one was Kagemusha ona big screen (not ont he TV)
14/05/2008 04:11:51 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Sweet clight!
14/05/2008 04:11:52 ‹James Jacobs› Combined with a dose of Lovecraft, sci-fi/horror movies, and drow stuff from all over.
14/05/2008 04:11:59 ‹Yoda8myhead› aul, I think a Duskblade is one of the few classes that won't be too weak along with playtesters
14/05/2008 04:12:00 ‹James Jacobs› Kurosawa is best seen on the big screen.
14/05/2008 04:12:06 ‹Yoda8myhead› it was a later developed class
14/05/2008 04:12:17 ‹paul› i want to say before my meds push me to sleep,,,,i loved the gazete
14/05/2008 04:12:29 ‹James Jacobs› Jason never did get hsi revenge. More to the point, I guess, he DID get his revenge, but it didn't feel any different than his normal torments.
14/05/2008 04:12:42 ‹Absinth› Yes, Kurosawa is great!
14/05/2008 04:12:49 ‹paul› yea i just want to playtest all the new stuff so bad but he lvoes his chacter
14/05/2008 04:13:03 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: No shaking of cubicle walls?
14/05/2008 04:13:08 ‹James Jacobs› Nope.
14/05/2008 04:13:16 ‹James Jacobs› He's been overwhelmed with PFRPG stuff.
14/05/2008 04:13:20 ‹Yoda8myhead› so kill his character.
14/05/2008 04:13:26 ‹paul› lol
14/05/2008 04:13:26 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 04:13:26 ‹Madness Follows› Monster Squad!! Bought it yesterday and watched it this morning
14/05/2008 04:13:30 ‹Absinth› Maybe he does this at home...:)
14/05/2008 04:13:30 ‹Yoda8myhead› no, in all seriousness
14/05/2008 04:13:36 ‹Joey Virtue 2› James im sure you answered this question a hundred times tonight but what is the ETA on Pathfinder 3
14/05/2008 04:13:45 ‹paul› i thought about it
14/05/2008 04:13:50 ‹Yoda8myhead› testing balance between late-model 3.5 classes and PRPG stuff is a worthy cause
14/05/2008 04:13:58 ‹James Jacobs› Which pathfinder 3 you asking about? Second Darkness? Alpha 3? Something else?
14/05/2008 04:14:00 ‹Yoda8myhead› for backards compatibility and all
14/05/2008 04:14:17 ‹paul› oh the late classes if there is any doubt shame the early classes
14/05/2008 04:14:31 ‹paul› i see yoda
14/05/2008 04:14:33 ‹Joey Virtue 2› James i love how you guys have taken little used creatures in the paths and made them alot better
14/05/2008 04:14:34 ‹paul› to see if they mesh
14/05/2008 04:14:34 ‹Eyebite› Alright, so we know that AP 4 is Cheliax bound. Can you spoilerize AP#4's title?
14/05/2008 04:14:43 ‹Yoda8myhead› Duskblade and Dragon Shaman are sick overpowered for base classes
14/05/2008 04:14:50 ‹Joey Virtue 2› The lamia and the rakshsa so far
14/05/2008 04:14:51 ‹Absinth› Joey, if you meant Alpha 3, James said it might be out end of the week.
14/05/2008 04:15:04 ‹James Jacobs› Spoilerizing AP4's title would requrie it to have a title. It doesn't have one yet, so I can't spoil it.
14/05/2008 04:15:06 ‹paul› my duskblade guy drinks alot
14/05/2008 04:15:07 ‹Joey Virtue 2› sweet thansk absinth
14/05/2008 04:15:09 ‹robert_hawk› dragon shaman overpowered? noooo
14/05/2008 04:15:10 ‹ollibolli› Yay...
14/05/2008 04:15:13 ‹paul› so he doesnt optimize well
14/05/2008 04:15:14 ‹Eyebite› Fair enough :D
14/05/2008 04:15:19 ‹Pygon› drat, lost connection, and a chunk of chat
14/05/2008 04:15:25 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I AM THE DRAGON SHAMAN! I AM HIM!
14/05/2008 04:15:27 ‹robert_hawk› dragonbreath adept now, that's powerful
14/05/2008 04:15:32 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks, Joey! Although I'd hardly classify the rakshasa as "little used." The lamia thoguh? yeah
14/05/2008 04:15:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› I will be running RotR starting after the holiday, and I am going to try to get everyone to play core, but would like to run one non-core through it to test that balance issue
14/05/2008 04:15:34 ‹paul› i get lucky
14/05/2008 04:15:42 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 04:15:54 ‹paul› teh lamia s scare the hell outta the party
14/05/2008 04:15:56 * Tiger Dave eyes Venture Captain Logue ....
14/05/2008 04:15:56 ‹ollibolli› Hit the Dragon shaman, before he switches to Energy shield
14/05/2008 04:16:05 ‹James Jacobs› Is it just me or are Charles's posts only showing up as: .
14/05/2008 04:16:08 ‹Tiger Dave› Are you now? Dragon Shaman owes me $15 for lunches!
14/05/2008 04:16:11 ‹paul› they hate em, lucresia and xan both
14/05/2008 04:16:12 ‹Yoda8myhead› robert> but it's not a full class progression
14/05/2008 04:16:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› for a 20-level class, the Shaman is tight
14/05/2008 04:16:22 ‹Charles Evans› Pathfinder AP #4.... Fiendwar!
14/05/2008 04:16:22 ‹BM› Not just you James
14/05/2008 04:16:24 ‹Joey Virtue 2› maybhe nt little used but better utilized
14/05/2008 04:16:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› natural armor, auras, breath weapon
14/05/2008 04:16:35 ‹Tiger Dave› James, I think Charles is just "dotting" you to verify still connected
14/05/2008 04:16:42 ‹Joey Virtue 2› i cant wait to see what other then Drow it will be for 2nd darknes
14/05/2008 04:16:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: CE often posts just .
14/05/2008 04:16:42 ‹James Jacobs› Ah.
14/05/2008 04:16:43 ‹James Jacobs› .
14/05/2008 04:16:46 ‹Charles Evans› james: I am pressing '.' occasionally to avoid timing out (I hope)
14/05/2008 04:16:57 ‹Venture Captain Logue› What did I do Tiger Dave!!????!!
14/05/2008 04:16:59 ‹Tiger Dave› I win
14/05/2008 04:17:02 ‹James Jacobs› You should instead post nonsequitors. Like this:
14/05/2008 04:17:02 ‹robert_hawk› yoda> maybe I've got the class name wrong, but there is a 1-20 progression of a dragon breathing class that gets warlock invocations
14/05/2008 04:17:04 ‹James Jacobs› I just ate a pickle.
14/05/2008 04:17:08 ‹paul› mm
14/05/2008 04:17:09 ‹robert_hawk› it blows the shaman out of the water
14/05/2008 04:17:09 ‹James Jacobs› Cats have three legs plus a fourth one.
14/05/2008 04:17:12 ‹paul› what kind
14/05/2008 04:17:14 ‹Yoda8myhead› how was it?
14/05/2008 04:17:26 ‹James Jacobs› or maybe: Would you still call it down if it were off to the side?
14/05/2008 04:17:28 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Boobies!
14/05/2008 04:17:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› What id the difference between a chicken?
14/05/2008 04:17:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› sometimes not the fourth one
14/05/2008 04:17:37 ‹Daigle› Giraffe kickball!
14/05/2008 04:17:38 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Taurie (my wife) and I love to play nonsequitor!
14/05/2008 04:17:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I am using grogtech, Internet explorer, and since #8 has not ywet arrived I am temporarily out of questions to ask.
14/05/2008 04:17:43 * Lilith contributes to the non sequitors. :)
14/05/2008 04:17:44 ‹Tiger Dave› LOL - Charles - shift to "When is Alpha 3 coming out?" <evil snicker>
14/05/2008 04:17:44 ‹James Jacobs› boobies are never a non sequitor!
14/05/2008 04:17:47 ‹Venture Captain Logue› One of our favorite games!
14/05/2008 04:17:54 ‹Eyebite› Dr. Cole Slaw!
14/05/2008 04:17:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› One of the legs is the same!
14/05/2008 04:17:59 ‹Charles Evans› Pathfinder #8, I meqant.
14/05/2008 04:18:02 ‹paul› boobies bring life
14/05/2008 04:18:04 ‹Eyebite› *just wanted in on the fun*
14/05/2008 04:18:05 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Boobies can NEVER be a nonsequitor...they connect to all things.
14/05/2008 04:18:12 ‹Lilith› Eyebite: There are cabbages about, that could be rude! :D
14/05/2008 04:18:16 ‹Timitius› Yeah, that's the first time I ever heard anyone saying the dragon shaman was OVERpowered.....
14/05/2008 04:18:24 ‹Eyebite› lol where are my manners?
14/05/2008 04:18:28 ‹BM› Me too
14/05/2008 04:18:36 ‹psymin_lap› glue-bies
14/05/2008 04:18:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Any upcoming Pathfindery goodness involving dinosaurs or Lovecraft? :)
14/05/2008 04:18:45 ‹lojakz› HOORAY FOR BOOBIES!!
14/05/2008 04:18:53 ‹Joey Virtue 2› So will Mr Cook be doing anything else with Paizo besides the consultant for pathfinder?
14/05/2008 04:18:56 ‹clight101› Captain Louge > I'm in the midst of organizing a group of gamers along with the SARPA people at UB to have a stong PFS group in Buffalo. So far so good. We have 2 GM's and many pathfinders ready send into the field
14/05/2008 04:18:57 ‹Blazej› Logue-ies...
14/05/2008 04:19:06 * Lilith starts up some Bloodhound Gang for lojakz.
14/05/2008 04:19:06 ‹paul› i imagine the red stripe guy yeelling that lojackz
14/05/2008 04:19:09 ‹robert_hawk› yoda> dragonfire adept is the class name
14/05/2008 04:19:18 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith: Yup. There's some Lovecraft in Pathfinder 11. No dinosaurs on the horizon, really.
14/05/2008 04:19:26 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Sounds awesome clight! I'll have to drop by and run some special events!
14/05/2008 04:19:41 ‹clight101› That would be so cool
14/05/2008 04:19:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Speaking of Cabbages, I recently bought some Rotkohl. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with it, but it's delicious!
14/05/2008 04:19:50 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> At this point, no. Just the consultant stuff.
14/05/2008 04:19:56 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Not a problem! I'll bring the funk!
14/05/2008 04:19:56 ‹cappadocius› This is a question for the subscribers here. What's cool in the Abadar write-up in #8?
14/05/2008 04:20:18 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 04:20:22 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Abadar is totally who I'd make a cleric of if I was playing in Golarion right now.
14/05/2008 04:20:23 ‹Eyebite› The Justiciar PrC
14/05/2008 04:20:25 ‹lojakz› I love it when you put a little Lovecraft in James. I'm uber stoked for #11 now
14/05/2008 04:20:26 ‹clight101› The Lawbringer or whatever that giant statue was called
14/05/2008 04:20:31 ‹Joey Virtue 2› well all the gd write ups have been great but i havent gotten to read it yet
14/05/2008 04:20:31 ‹James Jacobs› Crossbow girl's certainly getting a lot of attention...
14/05/2008 04:20:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› The girl with the crossbow!
14/05/2008 04:20:46 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I love playing money-hungry priests.
14/05/2008 04:20:49 ‹Charles Evans› ames Jacobs: Aboleths in AP #3???
14/05/2008 04:20:50 ‹cappadocius› Is there a PrC in there?
14/05/2008 04:20:55 ‹Absinth› RS, in germany it'll be served with roast goose.
14/05/2008 04:20:56 ‹James Jacobs› The funny thing to me about Abadar? He's from my home-brew campaign world... but I actually kinda hate him. He's boooooring.
14/05/2008 04:20:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› cappa: I don't see much use for the PrC in terms of gameplay, but the flavor alone for Abadar is great
14/05/2008 04:20:59 ‹Daigle› cappa, yes
14/05/2008 04:21:05 ‹James Jacobs› Sean did an INCREDIBLE job making him NOT boring.
14/05/2008 04:21:24 ‹James Jacobs› There will be at least one aboleth in AP3.
14/05/2008 04:21:27 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Dude, no way Abadar could be boring! He's the bomb!
14/05/2008 04:21:30 ‹Yoda8myhead› I really like his Herald
14/05/2008 04:21:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Roast goose eh? I've been eating it plain, or with sausages.
14/05/2008 04:21:39 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: A major player?
14/05/2008 04:21:41 ‹Lilith› Yay! Aboleth!
14/05/2008 04:21:47 ‹James Jacobs› LG = stiff as a board = boring!
14/05/2008 04:21:48 ‹cappadocius› My OTHER gnome player envisions clerics of Abadar going out in derby hats, vests, suspenders, and checkered pants, smoking big fat cigars, and building substandard housing developments over dungeons he's helped clear out to save on excavation and foundation costs.
14/05/2008 04:21:52 * Charles Evans perks up slightly at the news of an aboleth.
14/05/2008 04:21:53 * Lilith gives aboleths a big slimy hug. :thug:
14/05/2008 04:21:55 ‹clight101› That would make sense, the aboleth, as I heard alot of the AP is underground
14/05/2008 04:21:58 * Absinth quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:21:59 * Absinth quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:22:03 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. An important role, but not a major role.
14/05/2008 04:22:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› My german neighbours shake their heads at me but don't tell me what to do...
14/05/2008 04:22:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› I thought Abadar was LN
14/05/2008 04:22:13 ‹cappadocius› He is.
14/05/2008 04:22:17 ‹Charles Evans› :-?
04:22:34 ‹Madness Follows› EBON SHROUD!!! Can we say pure gold? Nick, this sounds totally KICK ASS! (but I do have a Pett peeve. :lol: )
14/05/2008 04:22:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› so why's James saying he's LG?
14/05/2008 04:22:48 ‹James Jacobs› Aboleths actually don't have a particularly huge role in the Darklands, really. They're MUCH more a deep ocean menace in Golarion.
14/05/2008 04:22:49 * Yoda8myhead is confused
14/05/2008 04:23:00 ‹Tiger Dave› Bah! I love playing Lawful Good! The trick is in understanding the alignments are a recommendation, not, as someone said, a straightjacket!
14/05/2008 04:23:01 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Because in my homebrew world he's LG.
14/05/2008 04:23:11 ‹lojakz› good night folks,
14/05/2008 04:23:17 * lojakz quit
14/05/2008 04:23:19 ‹robert_hawk› night
14/05/2008 04:23:31 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Lokaz
14/05/2008 04:23:40 ‹clight101› JJ > Is that was your calling the deep underground in Golarion, the Darklands?
14/05/2008 04:23:41 ‹Charles Evans› Lojakz, even.
14/05/2008 04:23:49 * Absinth quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:24:05 ‹James Jacobs› I think. It's hard for me to work up much interest in Abadar. He's got tough competition between Sarenrae, Rovagug, Desna, Urgathoa, Gorum, Zon-Kuthon, and Pharasma.
14/05/2008 04:24:14 ‹Yoda8myhead› the one deity alignment I'm most confused by is Erastil. I don't get a lwful vibe from him at all
14/05/2008 04:24:20 * Lilith still likes Lamashtu. :)
14/05/2008 04:24:24 ‹Mothman› James, if he's LG in your homebrew, is he still a god of money and such? r more focused on civilisation?
14/05/2008 04:24:32 * Rambling Scribe likes Droskar...
14/05/2008 04:24:32 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; the Darklands it is. They're composed of three layers; the top = Nar-Voth, the middle = Sekamina, the bottom = Orv.
14/05/2008 04:24:54 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Madness Follows! I'm pretty pumped about Ebon Shroud too! I just commissioned the real cover yesterday! Can't wait to see it!!!
14/05/2008 04:24:56 ‹James Jacobs› Lamashtu's awesome... but not from my homebrew.
14/05/2008 04:24:58 ‹clight101› JJ > Where do the names some from?
14/05/2008 04:25:01 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I love Droskar too Scribe!
14/05/2008 04:25:03 ‹paul› will varisia ever be a solid kingdom
14/05/2008 04:25:07 ‹Mothman› oooh. so the Darklands is like an onion....
14/05/2008 04:25:08 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I"m not sure he's LG at all in my homebrew... let me look...
14/05/2008 04:25:18 * Charles Evans wonders who would win in a fight between Lamashtu and malcanthet.
14/05/2008 04:25:25 ‹Daigle› yoda...trade and farming is pretty lawful.
14/05/2008 04:25:48 ‹clight101› agreed on the Lamashtu being awesome and pretty creepy on top of it
14/05/2008 04:25:55 * Rambling Scribe tries to pull a line from Shrek but fails.
14/05/2008 04:25:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› A God of Joyless Toil always makes Nick happy...I think the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward were truly fascinating times in Chinese history (my inspiration for Droskar).
14/05/2008 04:26:04 ‹James Jacobs› Ah; nope. He's Lawful Neutral in Baria too. Nevermind. Brain fart.
14/05/2008 04:26:27 ‹Mothman› I like the take on the church of Abadar with healing - they're lawful, but offering healing is still a business transaction that requires payment...
14/05/2008 04:26:33 * Crimson Jester joins Main
14/05/2008 04:26:38 ‹James Jacobs› clight> I made them up over the course of building up my homebrew.
14/05/2008 04:26:42 ‹Mothman› Never mind
14/05/2008 04:26:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy CJ
14/05/2008 04:26:47 ‹Yoda8myhead› Paul, I don't think you could ever get Kaer Maga, Korvosa, Riddleport and Magnimar all under one stable government. Not to mention Janderhoff or Urglin
14/05/2008 04:26:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› I fijured JJ was your inspiration for Droskar! :typerhappy::whipit:
14/05/2008 04:26:48 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Crimson Jester!
14/05/2008 04:26:49 ‹Venture Captain Logue› GREETINGS!
14/05/2008 04:26:53 ‹Charles Evans› Good morning CJ.#
14/05/2008 04:26:54 ‹Venture Captain Logue› HA!
14/05/2008 04:27:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lo' jester
14/05/2008 04:27:08 ‹Venture Captain Logue› He is MY god of Joyless Toil! ;-)
14/05/2008 04:27:16 ‹Venture Captain Logue› But it looks more like this: :raptor:
14/05/2008 04:27:23 ‹James Jacobs› Lamashtu would kick Malcanthet's ass. But I'm pretty sure Malcanthet would never put herself in a position to give Lamashtu the opportunity. Lamashtu is, after all, an actual god. Malcanthet's just a demigod.
14/05/2008 04:27:25 ‹Crimson Jester› Hello Daigle
14/05/2008 04:27:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› :lol:
14/05/2008 04:27:37 ‹Crimson Jester› Venture captian Louge?
14/05/2008 04:27:47 ‹Absinth› James, will we see a kenku-like race in Golarion?
14/05/2008 04:27:56 ‹Charles Evans› CJ: he's pretending hye's a big wheel at Paizo tonight.
14/05/2008 04:27:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Tis I!
14/05/2008 04:27:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Nick Loguee!
14/05/2008 04:28:05 ‹Venture Captain Logue› without the extra "e" that is!
14/05/2008 04:28:07 ‹Daigle› Kenku rock!
14/05/2008 04:28:09 ‹Crimson Jester› Seeker, Absinth Mr Jacobs
14/05/2008 04:28:15 ‹Lilith› Absinth: Kenku/tengu are from mythology, so it's entirely possible! :D
14/05/2008 04:28:18 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I suspect so... I suspect we'll do something with tengus eventually. They're basically the same thing.
14/05/2008 04:28:24 ‹Crimson Jester› Alas his head is swelling....Lord save us all!
14/05/2008 04:28:26 * Lilith would love to see tengu/kenku. :)
14/05/2008 04:28:41 ‹Timitius› Chat-jack: http://www.blamesociety.net/sp...ter.php
14/05/2008 04:28:44 ‹Lilith› Venture Captain! I recommend an expedition to Tian Xia, post haste! :knight:
14/05/2008 04:28:55 ‹cappadocius› yay tengus!
14/05/2008 04:29:01 ‹Absinth› Hey CJ!
14/05/2008 04:29:03 ‹clight101› Just get Pett in here to deflate him.
14/05/2008 04:29:09 ‹Mothman› Not for all the tea in China!
14/05/2008 04:29:18 ‹James Jacobs› Specialty priests of Abadar in my world are called "coinguards." They recieve ettiquete and appraising as bonus proficiencies.
14/05/2008 04:29:18 ‹ollibolli› Rambling Scribe, Rotkohl is also often served with roast pork in Germany.
14/05/2008 04:29:20 ‹Tiger Dave› Okay - I gotta get up and "Run a little ... Run a little ... Run a little more - Hey!" in a few hours. You all have a good night - enjoy peace!
14/05/2008 04:29:27 ‹deClench› Yay! Tian Xia!
14/05/2008 04:29:28 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 04:29:30 ‹James Jacobs› Lemme check my 3rd edition version...
14/05/2008 04:29:32 ‹Mothman› (or Britain)
14/05/2008 04:29:35 ‹Yoda8myhead› Timitius> a D7? What version D&D is Madden playing?
14/05/2008 04:29:38 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Man I want to get my Tian Xia on. :ninja*:
14/05/2008 04:29:43 ‹ollibolli› To cook it, add some cut apples to it, plus some
14/05/2008 04:29:44 ‹Absinth› I know, Lilith...
14/05/2008 04:29:47 ‹clight101› nigte TD
14/05/2008 04:29:49 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: Or india
14/05/2008 04:29:55 ‹Lilith› Venture Captain Logue: Me tooooooooo! :excite:
14/05/2008 04:29:59 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight TigerDave
14/05/2008 04:30:02 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Someday, they'll turn me loose on it. I already have NOTEBOOKS of notes on Tian Xia.
14/05/2008 04:30:03 * Lilith craves the Tian Xia goodness!
14/05/2008 04:30:07 ‹deClench› :yakuza:
14/05/2008 04:30:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› G'night Tiger Dave!
14/05/2008 04:30:17 ‹Mothman› Wow, ettiquete proficiency ... havent heard that for a while
14/05/2008 04:30:21 ‹Daigle› Night Dave
14/05/2008 04:30:32 * Joey Virtue 2 quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:30:33 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Lawful Neutral. I musta just had paladins or something on the mind at that point.
14/05/2008 04:30:34 ‹Crimson Jester› so have I missed much?
14/05/2008 04:30:40 ‹ollibolli› add some cloves and
14/05/2008 04:30:43 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main
14/05/2008 04:30:45 ‹Blazej› Let the ninja's flow!
14/05/2008 04:30:51 ‹cappadocius› I wanna see adventures on Sarusan!
14/05/2008 04:30:52 ‹Daigle› Jason!
14/05/2008 04:30:54 ‹Charles Evans› :shock:
14/05/2008 04:30:55 ‹Blazej› Yo.
14/05/2008 04:30:56 ‹Eyebite› AP #6 still planned on being a caravan AP to Tian Xia?
14/05/2008 04:31:00 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Buhlman?
14/05/2008 04:31:01 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:31:01 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:31:01 ‹cappadocius› Who has notebooks of material on Sarusan?!
14/05/2008 04:31:02 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:31:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› Jason! G'Day!
14/05/2008 04:31:03 ‹Crimson Jester› Mr Buhlman, greetings
14/05/2008 04:31:06 ‹Madness Follows› only EVERYTHING, CJ
14/05/2008 04:31:15 ‹Absinth› Wow, I have about 2 minutes lag, so forgive me if my postings don't make sense...:)
14/05/2008 04:31:16 ‹Venture Captain Logue› JASON!!!!!!!
14/05/2008 04:31:18 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Buhlman who has recruited Monte Coook?
14/05/2008 04:31:19 ‹Mothman› Hi Jason
14/05/2008 04:31:19 ‹Venture Captain Logue› GREEEEEETINGS!
14/05/2008 04:31:21 ‹Crimson Jester› jusr my luck
14/05/2008 04:31:21 ‹psymin_lap› Howdy Jason :)
14/05/2008 04:31:35 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Mabye. Not sure. I'd like to do a Tian Xia type thing for AP6, but that might be too soon. Not sure yet.
14/05/2008 04:31:37 ‹Timitius› How James REALLY came up with God's names........http://www.blamesociety.net/splufilms/whatisrolphing.php
14/05/2008 04:31:38 ‹Eyebite› I've been picturing the PCs cresting some snow topped mountain and seeing Tian Xia for the first time, kind of like in the movie 7 years in Tibet
14/05/2008 04:31:39 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hi there everybody, excuse my lagi-ness.. I am installing a service update... grr.. slow
14/05/2008 04:31:45 ‹ollibolli› + one or two bay leaves
14/05/2008 04:31:49 ‹Crimson Jester› I am suffering the same or near to it Absinth
14/05/2008 04:31:50 ‹Madness Follows› :dance2::dance2::dance2:
14/05/2008 04:31:51 ‹paul› what kind of market is there for small side treks that can be laid in anywhere
14/05/2008 04:31:54 ‹Absinth› Nick's sailing the sea of cheese...
14/05/2008 04:31:54 ‹Timitius› that is http://www.blamesociety.net/sp...ing.php
14/05/2008 04:31:56 ‹James Jacobs› At this point... all that exists about Sarusan is what you see in the Gazetteer.
14/05/2008 04:31:56 ‹Venture Captain Logue› :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer: For you Jason!
14/05/2008 04:32:03 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: We were speculating earlier on how you got him to agree to put his name officially in the credits, given that he had retired?
14/05/2008 04:32:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello jason
14/05/2008 04:32:12 ‹Eyebite› Ah, hope we get to see Tian Xia sooner rather than later!
14/05/2008 04:32:13 ‹Absinth› Hi Jason!
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14/05/2008 04:32:21 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: (monte that is)
14/05/2008 04:32:26 ‹ollibolli› Good orning Jason
14/05/2008 04:32:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› James> I plan on running my players through 7 Swords of Sin before starting up RotR to get them a feel for the world and such and was wondering if you have suggestions on how to make the results of the adventure tie into the rest of the path in terms of hte swords
14/05/2008 04:32:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Saracenus
14/05/2008 04:32:34 ‹BM› Hi Jason
14/05/2008 04:32:38 ‹James Jacobs› paul> Not sure... I DO know that adventure writers HATE HATE HATE writing them.
14/05/2008 04:32:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ahh.. it was easy.. we begged :-)
14/05/2008 04:32:40 ‹Mothman› Hey Jason, the paizo fan-base seems pretty excited about the Monty news - I take it you are too?
14/05/2008 04:32:42 * Lilith runs over and glomps Jason Bulmahn, giving him a backrub and a beer! :glomp: :thug: :beer:
14/05/2008 04:32:46 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Me too Eyebite! I'd love to have a place in Golarion to play around with!
14/05/2008 04:32:46 ‹Yoda8myhead› Jason> upgrading 3.5 isn't enough for you?
14/05/2008 04:32:47 ‹clight101› Jason Bulmahn > Thank you so much for gettting Monte cook to work with you guys and for fixing D&D
14/05/2008 04:33:01 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any Questions for US?
14/05/2008 04:33:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Clight> No problem...
04:33:19 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 04:33:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> For 7 Swords... you'll want to make sure that the sword of greed ends up soemwhere where it can be stolen again. That's about all you need to do.
14/05/2008 04:33:29 ‹Absinth› .
14/05/2008 04:33:30 ‹Mothman› James: How come the hate HATE HATE for side treks?
14/05/2008 04:33:33 ‹Eyebite› Logue + Tian Xia = full of win. That's the kind of math I like to do
14/05/2008 04:33:48 ‹paul› why do they hate them> i know nothing on any of this its curiosity
14/05/2008 04:33:50 ‹Yoda8myhead› would it work to switch the sword for another one of the seven?
14/05/2008 04:33:50 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Eyebite: HA! Awesome!
14/05/2008 04:33:53 ‹Daigle› Yeah, what's up with that!
14/05/2008 04:34:01 ‹James Jacobs› I got no questions. Lemme think...
14/05/2008 04:34:03 ‹clight101› Eyebite > That's pretty good math
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14/05/2008 04:34:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› So how is everybody tonight?
14/05/2008 04:34:34 ‹Lilith› Logue + Ninja Master Mike + Tian Xia = Goodness
14/05/2008 04:34:34 ‹Mothman› Daigle writes a good short adventure - should get him to do one for you ;-)
14/05/2008 04:34:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› WELL JASON AND YOU
14/05/2008 04:34:40 ‹Yoda8myhead› grreat!!!
14/05/2008 04:34:40 * Charles Evans experiences llllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggg.
14/05/2008 04:34:45 ‹Blazej› Good.
14/05/2008 04:34:46 * Daigle is rockin'
14/05/2008 04:34:47 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Fabulous! :D
14/05/2008 04:34:50 ‹robert_hawk› bit rainy but pretty well, you?
14/05/2008 04:34:50 ‹Crimson Jester› Stressed Jason but thanks for asking
14/05/2008 04:34:51 ‹psymin_lap› doin good I suppose
14/05/2008 04:34:53 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I don't know. I just know that no matter how much I begged during Dugneon... writers hated writing short adventures. And getting them to stay at 5000 words for Pathfinder's Set Pieces is like pulling teeth.
14/05/2008 04:34:54 * Rocca joins Main
14/05/2008 04:34:55 ‹clight101› Pretty good
14/05/2008 04:34:57 ‹Mothman› Jason, good, excited about the Monte news and the Elaine news
14/05/2008 04:34:57 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Even better math Lilith!!!
14/05/2008 04:35:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Seeker> Not too bad... all things considered
14/05/2008 04:35:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Good Jason! How about you sex-bomb!
14/05/2008 04:35:10 ‹Eyebite› I forgot about the gnome gninja master. Probably because he is one with the shadows
14/05/2008 04:35:10 ‹Daigle› Thanks Moth! :blush:
14/05/2008 04:35:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy Rocca
14/05/2008 04:35:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Crimson> I hear ya
14/05/2008 04:35:17 ‹ollibolli› I'm tired after a 14 hour office day yesterday
14/05/2008 04:35:27 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, Doin' gggrrrrrrrreat!
14/05/2008 04:35:29 ‹Crimson Jester› I bet you do Jason
14/05/2008 04:35:35 ‹BM› Guess you got to pass off Alpha 3?
14/05/2008 04:35:50 ‹Mothman› James, I'll write one for you (it may well suck though...)
14/05/2008 04:35:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› So Jason, what Alpha 3 hints can you drop us? So far I've only seen the Bard on the blog. Anything on the monk?
14/05/2008 04:36:03 ‹James Jacobs› It can't suck.
14/05/2008 04:36:06 * psymin_lap offers Jason a brew from Big Sky :beer:
14/05/2008 04:36:09 ‹Blazej› Mmm, WiiWare.
14/05/2008 04:36:11 ‹James Jacobs› It has to be awesome and 5,000 words.
14/05/2008 04:36:15 ‹Eyebite› A 5000 word set piece would be a fantastic contest for the next Paizo open call/rpg superstar.
14/05/2008 04:36:18 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Curses...tons of work left to do tonight...must work on PFS Player's Guide and write more BLOOD OF THE GORGON! Not to mention final edits on Wave 2 of the Indulgences...gotta run!
14/05/2008 04:36:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> You will get to see a sample ranger in tomorrows blog
14/05/2008 04:36:24 ‹ollibolli› but I am eagerly going to the paizo site each morning to find out, if Alpha 3 has been relaesed... (I now heard, it is planned for the end of the week)
14/05/2008 04:36:35 ‹Pygon› bye Nick!
14/05/2008 04:36:35 ‹Lilith› Venture Captain Logue, type well! :typerhappy:
14/05/2008 04:36:36 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Nick.
14/05/2008 04:36:39 ‹James Jacobs› For Pathfinder, it's actually a bit easier because we're much more agressive at assigning stuff; it's not a slush-pile thing.
14/05/2008 04:36:41 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Man...I got NO sleep before...now I get NEGATIVE sleep.
14/05/2008 04:36:42 ‹robert_hawk› night nick
14/05/2008 04:36:43 ‹Eyebite› Night Nick
14/05/2008 04:36:45 ‹Crimson Jester› You leaving Nick?
14/05/2008 04:36:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Later Logue
14/05/2008 04:36:48 ‹Yoda8myhead› oooh, a PFS player;s guide?
14/05/2008 04:36:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Nick!
14/05/2008 04:36:53 ‹Daigle› Have a kick ass night, Nick!
14/05/2008 04:36:54 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Liltih! See ya soon Pygon!
14/05/2008 04:36:56 ‹clight101› later Venture captain Louge
14/05/2008 04:36:59 ‹deClench› night nick!
14/05/2008 04:37:06 ‹ollibolli› gn8 sinister venture captain
14/05/2008 04:37:07 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Oh yes a Player's Guide Yoda! It's a coming and its full of win!
14/05/2008 04:37:12 ‹Yoda8myhead› later Nick. Offer still stands to help you move :)
14/05/2008 04:37:13 ‹Rocca› Thank you, Daigle. Nice to see the place!
14/05/2008 04:37:14 ‹Crimson Jester› :typerhappy::typerhappy::typerhappy::typerhappy::typerhappy:
14/05/2008 04:37:31 ‹Timitius› The Logue: No, full of awesome!
14/05/2008 04:37:40 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks everyone! G'night to you all too! Drop by www.sinisteradventures.com if you get the chance...our shoutbox is fun.
14/05/2008 04:37:45 ‹Madness Follows› OPEN CALL/ RPG SUPERSTAR.... will these contests now use the PFRPG?
14/05/2008 04:37:46 ‹James Jacobs› He's full of SOMETHIGN, that's for sure.
14/05/2008 04:37:46 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Thanks Timitius!
14/05/2008 04:37:47 ‹Mothman› It can't suck! Oh ... ok, better get Daigle rather than me then ;-)
14/05/2008 04:37:50 * clight101 loves piazo
14/05/2008 04:37:52 ‹Venture Captain Logue› Ah, but will it be WARsome?
14/05/2008 04:37:57 ‹Mothman› see you Nick
14/05/2008 04:38:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> That is what that smell is
14/05/2008 04:38:06 ‹Absinth› Sail on, Nick...
14/05/2008 04:38:09 ‹Venture Captain Logue› James: HA!
14/05/2008 04:38:10 * Charles Evans calls off the :cthulhu:s, so nick can leave.
14/05/2008 04:38:12 ‹Daigle› :D You probably sell yourself short Mothman
14/05/2008 04:38:13 ‹Venture Captain Logue› G'night everyone!
14/05/2008 04:38:19 ‹Timitius› Good luck on your move out here Nick.
14/05/2008 04:38:21 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya nicky!
14/05/2008 04:38:26 ‹Madness Follows› :headbang: Rock yourself good night
14/05/2008 04:38:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› NITE NICK
14/05/2008 04:38:32 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Nicksters
14/05/2008 04:38:33 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, how long ago did Kaijitsu-sama cross the North Pole?
14/05/2008 04:38:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Fine nick.... leave when I finally get one.. you suck
14/05/2008 04:38:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-P
14/05/2008 04:38:44 ‹Venture Captain Logue› I LOVE YOU JASON!!!!
14/05/2008 04:38:45 ‹Mothman› Daigle: probably ;-)
14/05/2008 04:38:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› You better...
14/05/2008 04:38:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-)
14/05/2008 04:38:59 ‹Venture Captain Logue› :hugs:
14/05/2008 04:38:59 ‹clight101› lol
14/05/2008 04:39:11 * Rocca quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:39:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright.. that is creepy.. go away now
14/05/2008 04:39:16 ‹Timitius› AWWWWWwwwww.:aww:
14/05/2008 04:39:18 ‹James Jacobs› cappadocius> Hmmm... probably about 70 years ago?
14/05/2008 04:39:31 ‹cappadocius› That's about what I thought. Thanks!
14/05/2008 04:39:47 ‹James Jacobs› Nick! You need to totally give Jason THE TREATMENT when you get in the office!
14/05/2008 04:39:47 ‹clight101› Jason > Just think, in a month he'll be in the same building as you 5 days a week
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14/05/2008 04:39:58 ‹Blazej› Downloading game...
14/05/2008 04:40:05 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Clight> I would prefer not too :-)
14/05/2008 04:40:07 * Charles Evans rounds up his :cthulhu: squad.... :wizshiny::cthulhu::cthulhu::cthulhu:
14/05/2008 04:40:09 ‹Crimson Jester› How long does the trip across the ice field take and what sort of dangers does one face?
14/05/2008 04:40:14 ‹Madness Follows› Jimmy J!! Will the Open Call & RPG Superstar contests now use the PFRPG?
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14/05/2008 04:40:23 ‹psymin_lap› Blazej> which one .. trying Lost Winds or something now
14/05/2008 04:40:26 * Absinth quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:40:33 ‹Blazej› LostWinds.
14/05/2008 04:40:34 ‹Mothman› I don't think I'd mess with Jason. I saw the Paizocon photos, he's a big guy!
14/05/2008 04:40:38 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Jester> Dunno yet. I'm well over a year away from having to figure that one out! :)
14/05/2008 04:40:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Madness> I am not sure that has been discussed yet
14/05/2008 04:40:50 * Charles Evans waits to find out if James Jacobs has thoguht of any questions?
14/05/2008 04:40:52 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
14/05/2008 04:41:17 ‹James Jacobs› Open Call & RPG Superstar will be staying 3.5 for now, as far as I know. We won't switch those over till the PFRPG rules are finalized.
14/05/2008 04:41:21 * vic Wertz joins Main
14/05/2008 04:41:34 ‹Eyebite› Wb Vic
14/05/2008 04:41:35 ‹Daigle› Vic is back!!
14/05/2008 04:41:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Vic!
14/05/2008 04:41:41 ‹Charles Evans› .
14/05/2008 04:41:43 ‹BM› Vic is back?
14/05/2008 04:41:44 ‹Blazej› psymin_lap, I didn't want to try Final Fantasy because I would only have a 100 points on the system after I bought the game and I wasn't sure what more I had to pay for.
14/05/2008 04:41:45 ‹Blazej› Hellp.
14/05/2008 04:41:47 ‹Yoda8myhead› Jason> I'm planning on running RotR with the alpha/beta rules this summer. Are there any specific things that other playtesters have left holesi n that you'd like me ot look for?
14/05/2008 04:41:59 ‹clight101› So I have a theory that either Piazo HQ will take off and become the brightest star in the known universe when Nick Louge arrives in seattle or it will implode and be sent to the darkest reachest of the farthest pit of the Abyss. I'm hoping thr former but feeling the later
14/05/2008 04:42:01 ‹Blazej› I mean ... hello.
14/05/2008 04:42:08 ‹Charles Evans› Vic: Do you have any questions for us?
14/05/2008 04:42:14 ‹Madness Follows› Will the next contests be after GenCon? AND will these become ANNUAL contests?
14/05/2008 04:42:20 ‹Lilith› Vic! :squee:
14/05/2008 04:42:22 ‹Yoda8myhead› that's a fake Vic. The real Vic left.
14/05/2008 04:42:24 ‹Blazej› I was not calling for help as I was being attacked by I mind dominating monster.
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14/05/2008 04:42:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda.. not that I am currently aware off.. but I have had my head buried in release 3 for a while now and am kinda out of touch
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14/05/2008 04:42:30 ‹James Jacobs› Madness> probably and probably
14/05/2008 04:42:50 ‹Lilith› clight101: :lol:
14/05/2008 04:43:01 ‹clight101› jason > So did the paladin get any changes in the PFA. I didn't notice any and was just wondering if I missed something
14/05/2008 04:43:08 ‹Eyebite› James> Are there plans for another Open Call? Or with the success of RPG superstar, is that the more likely form that future Paizo contests will take?
14/05/2008 04:43:09 * Charles Evans regrettably has to depart......
14/05/2008 04:43:09 ‹Pygon› is there light at the end Jason?
14/05/2008 04:43:16 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight everyone.
14/05/2008 04:43:18 ‹Daigle› Jason, how does totaly insanity feel these days? Was it everything you always hoped for?
14/05/2008 04:43:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> Not that I am aware of, but I have been out of touch for a bit, buried in release 3
14/05/2008 04:43:21 ‹Madness Follows› c-ya charles
14/05/2008 04:43:21 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Charles
14/05/2008 04:43:22 ‹Charles Evans› :cthulhu:
14/05/2008 04:43:22 ‹Pygon› bye Charles
14/05/2008 04:43:27 ‹clight101› night charles
14/05/2008 04:43:30 * Charles Evans quit
14/05/2008 04:43:34 ‹ollibolli› gn8 charles
14/05/2008 04:43:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› understandable. I plan to run 3 PFRPG classes and one regular one to see how they balance
14/05/2008 04:43:41 ‹Jason Bulmahn› clight> there are some changes to the paladin in release 3
14/05/2008 04:43:42 ‹ollibolli› darn, 2 late
14/05/2008 04:43:53 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> No plans yet for anohter Open Call. There will be eventually, though!
14/05/2008 04:43:59 ‹Absinth› I didn't see James' answer to the northpole question because I had to refresh. Could someone please re-post it?
14/05/2008 04:44:05 ‹James Jacobs› I can!
14/05/2008 04:44:07 ‹Blazej› They now require you to be LE.
14/05/2008 04:44:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> Its nice.. I have all these new friends to talk too.. and they are always with me in my head
14/05/2008 04:44:10 ‹Crimson Jester› the answer was not yet
14/05/2008 04:44:12 ‹James Jacobs› The answer is: I don't know.
14/05/2008 04:44:13 ‹Eyebite› Ah, cool.
14/05/2008 04:44:26 ‹Daigle› Awesome!
14/05/2008 04:44:39 ‹James Jacobs› Assuming that adventure path is AP6... I'm about a year away from having to do any hard thinking about it.
14/05/2008 04:44:40 ‹Lilith› James & Jason: Is there any area of Golarion that you can't wait to see illustrated?
14/05/2008 04:44:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what chages jason
14/05/2008 04:44:50 ‹Absinth› Thanks! It's an interesting topic... I'm soooo looking forward to receive the damned Gazetteer...
14/05/2008 04:44:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what no teasers
14/05/2008 04:45:12 ‹James Jacobs› I can't wait to get an illustration of the crashed ship in Numeria, for one...
14/05/2008 04:45:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: I saw a guy in a local paper with your last name. I was baffled! There's only one Daigle as far As I'm concerned!
14/05/2008 04:45:24 ‹Yoda8myhead› yeah, Jason, we got a lot more teasers before release 2.
14/05/2008 04:45:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> I've got some really fun parts in Absalom I want to see get an illo... and a bit more in Razmiran would be nice.. really anything that I worked on...
14/05/2008 04:45:26 ‹clight101› By the way I run a game with a warblade, Warmage and a PF Cleric, fighter and rouge and they balance out pretty well. The channeling energy thing was one of the best ideas yet. Just wanted to let you know my small part of the world and the 15 people that I have shown it like it
14/05/2008 04:45:40 ‹BM› Its cruel to just say changes Jason... :)
14/05/2008 04:45:41 ‹Lilith› Absinth: "Pick Your Three" is a thread I started for your favorite countries, when you get your Gazetteer.
14/05/2008 04:45:49 ‹ollibolli› i don't expect to hold it in my hand until the end of May... shpping takes longer than usual the last months
14/05/2008 04:45:49 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Me too! Love Numeria!
14/05/2008 04:45:59 ‹Joey Virtue 2› Yeah Jason since you and monte started working togther and you guys gave a few guys time out i havent seen yu on the boards
14/05/2008 04:46:06 ‹Blazej› Ch-ch-ch-changes :song note:
14/05/2008 04:46:07 ‹Lilith› When will we be seeing the final iconic?
14/05/2008 04:46:09 ‹James Jacobs› I'm also looking forward to some drow city illos.
14/05/2008 04:46:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› seeker> Well.. the paladin bond ability has gotten a bit more useful... and some of their abilities got added too...
14/05/2008 04:46:18 ‹Daigle› Craig...I thought I got him already. Damn. Musta got away!
14/05/2008 04:46:27 ‹James Jacobs› Final iconic's sketch is in. Should be seeing the final painting pretty soon.
14/05/2008 04:46:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Thanks clight
14/05/2008 04:46:29 ‹Blazej› 1/3 download finished.
14/05/2008 04:46:32 ‹Crimson Jester› I love the Numeria excuse for where Adamantine comes from but I have to ask ...............7 Varieties what are they and when will we hear more??
14/05/2008 04:46:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Blazej, DAMN YOU that song is now in my head
14/05/2008 04:46:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› I've got his picture, he'll be easy to track now!
14/05/2008 04:46:44 ‹Absinth› Lilith, I saw that one, but reading it made me want it even more! It shipped end of april, it could be here any day, though.
14/05/2008 04:46:50 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Pathfinder 14 will give you some more info.
14/05/2008 04:46:53 ‹clight101› Jason > Can they smite more often?
14/05/2008 04:46:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nice thanks jason
14/05/2008 04:47:05 * Joey Virtue 2 quit (timeout)
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14/05/2008 04:47:11 ‹Blazej› seekerofshadowlight, Do you want lyrics from other songs to help balance it out?
14/05/2008 04:47:14 ‹Blazej› :P
14/05/2008 04:47:15 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joey> Actually that is more of a coincidence.. I have been working with monte since release 1... as for the timeouts.. they needed to happen, my absense was due to getting release 3 ready
14/05/2008 04:47:17 ‹Crimson Jester› Seeker you pointed the darn song to me
14/05/2008 04:47:18 ‹Eyebite› James> dying to know more about the final iconic? The little fire demon thing - familiar, summoned creature, variant form of a
May 13th, 2008 - part 3
14/05/2008 04:50:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› Absinth> Frank actually posted a really good and scientific method of testing things and prioritizing problems that I plan on implementing. I think he put it on another board somewhere though, after hte timeout started
14/05/2008 04:50:40 ‹James Jacobs› Damn! I missed out on some PRIME Messageboard Fire it sounds like! :(
14/05/2008 04:50:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and the rage points are just killer
14/05/2008 04:51:13 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: It wasn't really all that exciting. Besides, you got some good stuffs in the Homosexuality thread. :P
14/05/2008 04:51:16 ‹Joey Virtue 2› Jasn will you be at orgins this year?
14/05/2008 04:51:24 ‹Crimson Jester› Ive avoided posting since the big posts are ticking me off
14/05/2008 04:51:29 * Daigle votes to steer the conversation away from the "timeout" topic.
14/05/2008 04:51:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and what a thred that is Lilith
14/05/2008 04:51:32 ‹Timitius› clight101, Ask Jason for his Kardaz the Reaper character....that'll be a fun barbarian to use to introduce Rage Points....:lol:
14/05/2008 04:51:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well 2 threads now
14/05/2008 04:51:38 ‹Mothman› James: yeah, there was fire, it was getting a bit stupid
14/05/2008 04:51:44 ‹Eyebite› I recommend the Homosexuality Under Golarion thread myself. It covers the important social issues
14/05/2008 04:51:49 ‹robert_hawk› that thread is very interesting as an outsider and a sociologist
14/05/2008 04:51:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> Frank did have some good methods, but I honestly do not believe that they were all that applicable to a social game like this... valuable in analyzing complex rules equations, yes.. not so much for what we are trying to do
14/05/2008 04:51:51 ‹James Jacobs› omg... that thread... :roll:
14/05/2008 04:51:56 ‹Blazej› I did not set the fire :song note:
14/05/2008 04:51:57 ‹Mothman› Eyebite: seconded
14/05/2008 04:52:06 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joey> Yes I will be at Origins.. and GenCon
14/05/2008 04:52:14 ‹Lilith› Daigle: Seconded! :D
14/05/2008 04:52:24 ‹Blazej› or is it "we did not set the fire?"
14/05/2008 04:52:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that thread brings me much amsument
14/05/2008 04:52:32 ‹clight101› Jason > So can I have a copy of your Kardaz the Raper character? Please,
14/05/2008 04:52:36 ‹Pygon› "we didn't start the fire"
14/05/2008 04:52:41 ‹Mothman› "We didn't start the fire!"
14/05/2008 04:52:43 ‹Daigle› I'd love to be able to pull off going to Origins as well....if for no other reason than to bother Craig.
14/05/2008 04:52:45 ‹clight101› reaper
14/05/2008 04:52:45 ‹Joey Virtue 2› cool ill be at orgins playing in the VS world champs so I hope to get to see you guys on thursday will u and erick be there on thrusda?
14/05/2008 04:52:53 ‹Absinth› Jason, the channel negative energy abilitie is great. My players faced two evil clerics and a bunch of ghouls last session. The only drawback is that the clerics are killing each other if they don't watch out. May there be a feat that let's them affect only targeted creatures or something?
14/05/2008 04:52:55 * psymin_lap hands Pygon a red pen to correct mistakes.
14/05/2008 04:53:01 ‹clight101› sorry bout that typo
14/05/2008 04:53:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Clight> I am hoping to carve out a bit of time to do a quick PDF of my paizocon adventure.. it might not come for a few weeks though
14/05/2008 04:53:03 ‹Blazej› Thank you.
14/05/2008 04:53:04 ‹ollibolli› we didn't start the fire, it was always burning..
14/05/2008 04:53:09 ‹Lilith› Jason & James: Are there any particular D&D tropes that you'd like to see stamped out?
14/05/2008 04:53:07 ‹paul› it was always burnin since the worlds been turnin
14/05/2008 04:53:13 ‹psymin_lap› Absinth> Selective channelling.
14/05/2008 04:53:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joey> I am not sure
14/05/2008 04:53:20 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle, if you come to Origins, you have to stop me from doing anything stupid when I'm drunk!
14/05/2008 04:53:20 * Pygon marks up his screen
14/05/2008 04:53:27 ‹Pygon› darn, it scrolled
14/05/2008 04:53:32 * seekerofshadowlight refuses to fall prey to foul 80's songs
14/05/2008 04:53:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth> Check the feats chapter.. selective channeling I think
14/05/2008 04:53:45 ‹Blazej› I am suddenly concerned that that song is oldet than me.
14/05/2008 04:53:49 ‹Mothman› Like chatting up Elmore's wife....
04:53:54 ‹Blazej› Older even.
14/05/2008 04:53:57 ‹Daigle› Craig, How am I supposed to be of any help in that arena?
14/05/2008 04:53:58 ‹clight101› Jason > I'm a patient man, thanks for doing it for the fans
14/05/2008 04:54:01 ‹Eyebite› *has heard secondhand of Scribe's legendary ability to hit on other dude's wives....famous dudes at that*
14/05/2008 04:54:07 ‹Jason Bulmahn› What are you talking about Rambling.. you were a hoot last year
14/05/2008 04:54:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› :lol:
14/05/2008 04:54:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Daigle, with a weapon
14/05/2008 04:54:12 ‹Madness Follows› mmm.. blue berry yogurt
14/05/2008 04:54:14 ‹Absinth› Ahh, thanks!
14/05/2008 04:54:15 ‹ollibolli› It's from 1989
14/05/2008 04:54:15 ‹Joey Virtue 2› bummer well hope i get a chance to come over and seee you guys
14/05/2008 04:54:22 ‹Pygon› songs that are older than you is no problem. meeting people that were born after DnD 2e is.
14/05/2008 04:54:22 ‹Hill Giant› We Didn't Start the Fire circa 1989
14/05/2008 04:54:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› being in an arena unarmed is not a good thing
14/05/2008 04:54:32 ‹Daigle› I'd just egg him on to do stupid stuff.
14/05/2008 04:54:34 ‹Blazej› Good. I was four.
14/05/2008 04:54:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› unless your a monk
14/05/2008 04:54:52 ‹Joey Virtue 2› well seeker we dont know what a monk can do yet
14/05/2008 04:54:53 ‹Madness Follows› I was 9
14/05/2008 04:54:56 * ollibolli suddenly feels very old
14/05/2008 04:54:58 ‹Madness Follows› no 11
14/05/2008 04:55:00 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I'd like to see the term "Gish" stamped out.
14/05/2008 04:55:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'll show you this awesome bar with cheap buckets od Corona!
14/05/2008 04:55:06 ‹Yoda8myhead› speaking of monk, what's going on with that class, Jason? Anything to share?
14/05/2008 04:55:08 ‹Madness Follows› I always sucked at math
14/05/2008 04:55:12 ‹Mothman› I was chatting to this hottie the other day ... and then I found out she was in her last year of primary school the year I started university.... :-(
14/05/2008 04:55:17 ‹seekerofshadowlight› monk..erw stuff
14/05/2008 04:55:21 ‹Joey Virtue 2› what does Gish stand for?
14/05/2008 04:55:29 ‹paul› james can we eliminate sword and board as well
14/05/2008 04:55:30 ‹robert_hawk› fighter mage
14/05/2008 04:55:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
14/05/2008 04:55:42 ‹Absinth› Joey, a fighter/sorcerer combo
14/05/2008 04:55:44 ‹Daigle› I never even knew that term until I started posting on the boards. Where does Gish come from? (aside from the Smashing Pumpkins first record.)
14/05/2008 04:55:46 ‹Mothman› Joey: A gish is a Githyanki fighter/mage
14/05/2008 04:55:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Joey Virtue 2, DO not say that word....
14/05/2008 04:55:52 ‹James Jacobs› gish is a type of Githyanki, I believe, that is a fighter/mage. And it kinda ended up becoming code for ALL fighter/wizards.
14/05/2008 04:55:53 ‹Pygon› hmm, never knew that
14/05/2008 04:55:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> Monks recieve a number of small changes to increase their abilities.. from a ki pool.. to a few other tweaked abilities
14/05/2008 04:55:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› :fishslap:
14/05/2008 04:55:58 ‹Daigle› Ah
14/05/2008 04:56:05 ‹clight101› You know, the regular event column should really say Pathfinder and Piazo products chat should really read 8 - ???
14/05/2008 04:56:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› owwwwwwwwwww ki pool
14/05/2008 04:56:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› like the rage pool?
14/05/2008 04:56:14 ‹Mothman› but often used just as any warrior / arcanist type
14/05/2008 04:56:15 ‹Pygon› ki pool, nice
14/05/2008 04:56:17 ‹Absinth› Yay! Daigle! You know SPs Gish? Great album!
14/05/2008 04:56:19 ‹ollibolli› ki pool? great.
14/05/2008 04:56:21 ‹Joey Virtue 2› how boutthere base attack and there hp?
14/05/2008 04:56:22 ‹Hill Giant› Don't Ki in the pool
14/05/2008 04:56:23 ‹Eyebite› Never knew that about Gish.....or had ever heard it used before
14/05/2008 04:56:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› seeker> No...
14/05/2008 04:56:29 ‹clight101› god I must be tired
14/05/2008 04:56:29 ‹James Jacobs› I don't mind it being a word for githyanki characters, just as the kuo-toa have monitors. But as a generalized term? Lame Lame Lame.
14/05/2008 04:56:29 ‹Yoda8myhead› thx
14/05/2008 04:56:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› its a bit simpler than that
14/05/2008 04:56:39 ‹Blazej› Ok then. The twelvth iconic is a Dish now.
14/05/2008 04:56:42 ‹Daigle› Absinth...It was their only good one, IMO
14/05/2008 04:56:46 * ollibolli has played an Iron heroes campaign, and I loved those new classes
14/05/2008 04:56:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› humm intresting
14/05/2008 04:56:53 ‹Mothman› Good album though
14/05/2008 04:57:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› with ya there james
14/05/2008 04:57:19 ‹Eyebite› Daigle - what about Siamese Dream?
14/05/2008 04:57:26 ‹Daigle› Billy Corgan gives me gas.
14/05/2008 04:57:26 ‹Absinth› Yes, great album. But I loved all their stuff until the break-up...
14/05/2008 04:57:44 ‹Daigle› Okay...I'll give you at least half the songs on Siamese Dream
14/05/2008 04:57:53 ‹Eyebite› that's fair
14/05/2008 04:57:57 ‹Joey Virtue 2› hey jason have you seen the 40k stuff for the demon army? my buddie got the box set its preety cool
14/05/2008 04:58:07 ‹Madness Follows› FiSo. I will now call all fighter/sorcerers a FiSo.
14/05/2008 04:58:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Well.. unfortunately.. my time is short this week.. last call on questions for me
14/05/2008 04:58:11 ‹paul› world leaders sell missles cheap your stomach turns your flesh creeps
14/05/2008 04:58:18 ‹Mothman› Siamese Dreams rocks too ... they stayed good until Melloncollie and the Infinate Sadness...
14/05/2008 04:58:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Joey> I have.. they look pretty sweet
14/05/2008 04:58:33 ‹Lilith› Jason Bulmahn: Are there any more alpha releases after 3?
14/05/2008 04:58:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lilith> No.. 3 is the last one
14/05/2008 04:58:52 ‹Pygon› Jason - this week looking good for releasing Alpha 3? Sorry if that was already asked (I asked James before you arrived)
14/05/2008 04:58:53 ‹Joey Virtue 2› yeah i had two kids and had to sell my thousand son army cause i never used them
14/05/2008 04:58:55 ‹Blazej› Madness Follows, reverse it. They will be So-Fi.
14/05/2008 04:58:57 * Absinth quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:59:05 ‹Madness Follows› Baring in mind the circumfrence of the earth & the speed of sound... is the moon made out of Swiss or Gouda?
14/05/2008 04:59:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> There is a slim chance, but it will probably slip to next week
14/05/2008 04:59:15 ‹Blazej› I am a powerful So-Fi!
14/05/2008 04:59:18 ‹psymin_lap› How do I get your army of PR reps to come to MSO for arm twisting?
14/05/2008 04:59:19 * Timitius quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:59:19 * Timitius quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 04:59:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Madness> I am gonna go with swiss.....
14/05/2008 04:59:33 ‹Pygon› sigh.. ok I can live with that. Wyvern was hoping to use th PF bard this weekend :)
14/05/2008 04:59:39 ‹Joey Virtue 2› lets hope that slim chance holds up
14/05/2008 04:59:41 ‹Madness Follows› Paizo & FiSo rhyme. I win.
14/05/2008 04:59:47 ‹ollibolli› Madness Follows, see Wallace & Grommit
14/05/2008 04:59:58 ‹Madness Follows› crackin' good!
14/05/2008 05:00:05 ‹Absinth› Damned time-outs!
14/05/2008 05:00:21 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Psymin?MSO?
14/05/2008 05:00:26 ‹psymin_lap› Missoula
14/05/2008 05:00:34 ‹Yoda8myhead› Absinth> go sit in the corner and think about what you did
14/05/2008 05:01:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Psymin> I am not sure how to get us to come to Missoula... a lot of beer promises is a good start :-)
14/05/2008 05:01:11 ‹Absinth› I'm going to the kitchen for a re-fill and the chat kicks me out?! Lilith, you should talk to your virtual bouncers, they can't treat me like that! :)
14/05/2008 05:01:17 ‹psymin_lap› done :P
14/05/2008 05:01:30 ‹paul› The Rifftrax for Saw is up
14/05/2008 05:01:31 ‹Mothman› Jason, what in Alpha 3 do you predict will go down best and worst with the fans? (by worst I mean most contreversial)
14/05/2008 05:01:35 ‹James Jacobs› When is that con at, Psymin?
14/05/2008 05:01:44 ‹Hill Giant› OK, I'm off. bye, all
14/05/2008 05:01:48 ‹psymin_lap› memorial day weekend
14/05/2008 05:01:52 ‹Pygon› bye Giant
14/05/2008 05:01:55 ‹Absinth› Night, Hill Giant!
14/05/2008 05:01:57 ‹Yoda8myhead› bye HG
14/05/2008 05:01:57 ‹Daigle› Have a good one, David!
14/05/2008 05:01:59 ‹Mothman› sse you HG
14/05/2008 05:02:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Later Giant
14/05/2008 05:02:01 ‹Madness Follows› bye bye
14/05/2008 05:02:02 ‹Lilith› Absinth: I'll do that. :P
14/05/2008 05:02:04 ‹deClench› later giant
14/05/2008 05:02:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night HG!
14/05/2008 05:02:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite HG
14/05/2008 05:02:12 * Lilith talks to the virtual bouncers. :whip:
14/05/2008 05:02:17 ‹James Jacobs› That sounds like it's before June 13th...
14/05/2008 05:02:25 ‹ollibolli› gn8 hill giant
14/05/2008 05:02:30 * Daigle scolds the bouncers, too....for good measure.
14/05/2008 05:02:30 ‹psymin_lap› June 13th a deadline?
14/05/2008 05:02:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pre 6/13 = No go
14/05/2008 05:02:36 ‹Madness Follows› psymin -- you prob should've been bugging them like in January
14/05/2008 05:02:41 ‹psymin_lap› hehe
14/05/2008 05:02:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Psymin> A lot of deadlines
14/05/2008 05:02:48 ‹Madness Follows› i's 5/26
14/05/2008 05:02:49 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:03:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. June 13 is THE deadline, actually. The "If it's not done by then, it might not be at Gen Con" deadline.
14/05/2008 05:03:26 ‹psymin_lap› ack!
14/05/2008 05:03:31 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:03:31 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:03:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright.. i gotta roll.. otherwise 6/13 might just be my funeral..
14/05/2008 05:03:45 ‹Madness Follows› so start bugging them for next year! Now!
14/05/2008 05:03:46 ‹James Jacobs› And since we've got about 60 products coming out at Gen Con... and 58 of them aren't done yet... well... It's kinda surprising that management even lets us go home.
14/05/2008 05:03:58 ‹Pygon› gnite Jason, thanks for your time
14/05/2008 05:03:58 ‹Absinth› Jason, are you looking forward to write adventures and setting stuff after the rules are finished?
14/05/2008 05:04:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Damn you james for going home
14/05/2008 05:04:01 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Jason!
14/05/2008 05:04:03 ‹Yoda8myhead› see ya Jason
14/05/2008 05:04:10 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth> yes
14/05/2008 05:04:15 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> he BETTER BE!
14/05/2008 05:04:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite jason
14/05/2008 05:04:23 ‹Absinth› :D
14/05/2008 05:04:25 ‹ollibolli› post 13/6... Jason Bulmahn is entered into the Guiness Books of Records for sleeping a continous 74 hours
14/05/2008 05:04:25 ‹robert_hawk› night folks
14/05/2008 05:04:29 ‹clight101› nite jason thanks for the info and answers
14/05/2008 05:04:30 ‹James Jacobs› HA! You're not still at work, are ya, Jason?
14/05/2008 05:04:32 ‹BM› nite Jason
14/05/2008 05:04:34 ‹Absinth› Have a good night, Jason!
14/05/2008 05:04:40 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Jason
14/05/2008 05:04:47 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Jason
14/05/2008 05:04:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> No.. thank got.. I got home at 9
14/05/2008 05:04:50 ‹Absinth› Night, Robert
14/05/2008 05:04:52 ‹Mothman› see you Jason
14/05/2008 05:04:53 ‹James Jacobs› slacker
14/05/2008 05:05:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I know..
14/05/2008 05:05:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› James is just hiding in his cubicle so that Jason will think he went home.
14/05/2008 05:05:17 ‹psymin_lap› gnite, and thanks
14/05/2008 05:05:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› No rambling.. I saw him leave.. he taunted me as he left
14/05/2008 05:05:33 ‹Eyebite› Oof, I would love to stay, but I'm out too guys. Work to get back to. Night all.
14/05/2008 05:05:33 * robert_hawk quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:05:36 ‹Crimson Jester› Do you have actual offices or just big cubicles?
14/05/2008 05:05:39 ‹James Jacobs› It was beautiful.
14/05/2008 05:05:39 ‹Joey Virtue 2› so is there any stuff that was not a part of the end of pathfinder 2
14/05/2008 05:05:40 ‹Rambling Scribe› :lol:
14/05/2008 05:05:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alright.. gotta run.. I hope to be on next week to chat up release 3
14/05/2008 05:05:45 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
14/05/2008 05:05:49 ‹Mothman› see you eyebite
14/05/2008 05:05:55 ‹Joey Virtue 2› sounds good
14/05/2008 05:06:03 ‹Pygon› sweet, Jason
14/05/2008 05:06:03 ‹Joey Virtue 2› have a gd night jason
14/05/2008 05:06:07 ‹Mothman› bye Jason
14/05/2008 05:06:09 ‹ollibolli› good night eyebite
14/05/2008 05:06:25 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm going to jet too, it's 1 am here, and I have to clean up tonight's game before bed, and get up at 6:30.
14/05/2008 05:06:25 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite eyebite
14/05/2008 05:06:26 ‹Madness Follows› later Jason
14/05/2008 05:06:28 ‹Absinth› Night, Eyebite
14/05/2008 05:06:39 ‹clight101› nite eyebite
14/05/2008 05:06:48 ‹Absinth› Sleep well, Rasmbling Scribe
14/05/2008 05:06:50 ‹ollibolli› gn8 craig, and enjoy the rotkohl
14/05/2008 05:06:53 ‹Absinth› -s
14/05/2008 05:06:55 ‹Madness Follows› Not impressed Scribe, I'm on the East too and I'm still here
14/05/2008 05:06:57 ‹Daigle› Take care, Craig!
14/05/2008 05:06:58 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:07:01 * Jason Bulmahn quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:07:05 ‹clight101› nite scribe and I'll follow suit since I'm in scribes time zone. Nite all
14/05/2008 05:07:05 ‹Blazej› Later Jason and Eyebite, and Cragi.
14/05/2008 05:07:09 ‹Blazej› JGKDJKL
14/05/2008 05:07:14 ‹Blazej› Craig.
14/05/2008 05:07:25 ‹psymin_lap› Blazej> Beat Lost Winds yet?
14/05/2008 05:07:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› mmm
14/05/2008 05:07:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› Rotkohl
14/05/2008 05:07:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night!
14/05/2008 05:07:50 ‹Blazej› psymin_lap, well. I've almost finished downloading it.
14/05/2008 05:07:51 ‹Mothman› bye Scribe
14/05/2008 05:08:00 ‹Blazej› Night Rambling Scribe.
14/05/2008 05:08:10 * Rambling Scribe quit
14/05/2008 05:08:14 * clight101 quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:08:21 ‹Blazej› Jump faster Mario!
14/05/2008 05:08:24 ‹Blazej› There,
14/05/2008 05:09:00 ‹Blazej› Download Successful!
14/05/2008 05:09:40 ‹Crimson Jester› ?
14/05/2008 05:09:42 ‹Blazej› ?
14/05/2008 05:09:47 ‹Joey Virtue 2› Well have a good night guys
14/05/2008 05:09:55 ‹ollibolli› gn8 joey
14/05/2008 05:09:59 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Joey
14/05/2008 05:10:04 ‹Blazej› Night Joey.
14/05/2008 05:10:04 ‹Absinth› Night, Joey....
14/05/2008 05:10:12 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Joey
14/05/2008 05:10:16 ‹Pygon› got that fire song stuck in my head...
14/05/2008 05:10:23 ‹Pygon› thanks Blaze...
14/05/2008 05:10:30 ‹Blazej› Your welcome.
14/05/2008 05:10:30 ‹Crimson Jester› errrgg you brought it up agian
14/05/2008 05:10:33 ‹Blazej› :)
14/05/2008 05:10:37 ‹Daigle› Better than having fire stuck in your head.
14/05/2008 05:10:38 ‹ollibolli› trouble in the suez?
14/05/2008 05:10:39 ‹James Jacobs› I think I'm gonna jet too... any last minute questions?
14/05/2008 05:10:41 ‹Absinth› James, do you know the Conan comics by Dark Horse?
14/05/2008 05:10:42 ‹Madness Follows› pygon... we didn't start the fire
14/05/2008 05:10:43 ‹Blazej› People like me!
14/05/2008 05:10:46 ‹Crimson Jester› must . find . good . music
14/05/2008 05:10:58 * Daigle 's got nuttin'
14/05/2008 05:11:04 * Joey Virtue 2 quit (timeout)
14/05/2008 05:11:10 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Is Joe Lansdale and Tim Truman involved with those, Absinth?
14/05/2008 05:11:11 ‹Daigle› Dream well, James!
14/05/2008 05:11:14 ‹Pygon› hmmm.. nope. I'm dry.
14/05/2008 05:11:17 * Fray joins Main
14/05/2008 05:11:18 ‹ollibolli› Crimson Jester, Explosions in the Sky
14/05/2008 05:11:20 ‹Blazej› Pygon, I also found a YouTube video of that Tank vs Man thing I told you about.
14/05/2008 05:11:21 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite james
14/05/2008 05:11:21 ‹Daigle› Fray!
14/05/2008 05:11:23 ‹Absinth› No, Cary Nord and Kurt Busiek
14/05/2008 05:11:26 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes but I dont want to ask and I cant think of any good real questions
14/05/2008 05:11:31 ‹James Jacobs› Then no, I don't.
14/05/2008 05:11:38 ‹Pygon› Blaze - linky?
14/05/2008 05:11:42 ‹Mothman› See you James
14/05/2008 05:11:43 ‹Crimson Jester› Ollibolli???
14/05/2008 05:11:47 ‹Madness Follows› Jimmy J, I realized I should asked Vic this, but when will we see an option to get our subscriptions bi-monthly?
14/05/2008 05:11:48 ‹Fray› Daigle!
14/05/2008 05:12:06 ‹Blazej› Some of the following videos are a little bloody...
14/05/2008 05:12:07 ‹Blazej› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...33e991o
14/05/2008 05:12:07 ‹Absinth› They're great! Best Conan adaption ever and very true to Howards writings. Check them out!
14/05/2008 05:12:10 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Fray.
14/05/2008 05:12:10 ‹Daigle› How're ya?
14/05/2008 05:12:11 ‹Mothman› hey Fray
14/05/2008 05:12:14 ‹ollibolli› Crimson Jester, just a recommendation for a group#
14/05/2008 05:12:21 ‹Pygon› oh the Fist thing, ok :)
14/05/2008 05:12:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› Nothing here. Have a good night James
14/05/2008 05:12:24 ‹James Jacobs› Madness> I dunno. I sit pretty much as far as you can away from that part of Paizoland...
14/05/2008 05:12:27 ‹ollibolli› you ARE looking for good music?
14/05/2008 05:12:35 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: How do you go about creating monsters? Flavor first, or mechanics first? You seem a "flavor first" kind of guy. :)
14/05/2008 05:12:40 ‹Crimson Jester› Group # ? um 8
14/05/2008 05:12:56 ‹Yoda8myhead› Lilith>he already answered this one. Flavor then the rest
14/05/2008 05:13:04 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yeah; flavor first.
14/05/2008 05:13:09 ‹Lilith› Yoda8myhead, I must have missed it. :(
14/05/2008 05:13:11 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah Olli to get these damn lyrics outta my head
14/05/2008 05:13:16 ‹Crimson Jester› Thin Lizzy
14/05/2008 05:13:16 ‹James Jacobs› No worries!
14/05/2008 05:13:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› I think you were going from work to home
14/05/2008 05:13:24 * Lilith goes back to creating her monster. :typerhappy:
14/05/2008 05:13:32 ‹Lilith› Yoda8myhead, that's entirely possible. :P
14/05/2008 05:13:54 ‹ollibolli› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...the_sky
14/05/2008 05:14:11 ‹Madness Follows› DAAAAY-OH! Me say Day-oh! Day light come and me wanna go home!
14/05/2008 05:14:20 ‹Fray› doing ok... RL has been busy. I was out of work for 3 weeks, but now I'm good. :)
05:14:33 ‹Fray› DAAAAAAY LIGHT come and me want go home!
14/05/2008 05:14:34 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm out! I shall see ya all next week!
14/05/2008 05:14:40 ‹Daigle› Ouch. Glad to things even out.
14/05/2008 05:14:40 ‹Pygon› bye James, thanks again!
14/05/2008 05:14:41 ‹Lilith› Later dude! :thug:
14/05/2008 05:14:41 ‹Crimson Jester› Bye James
14/05/2008 05:14:42 ‹paul› gnight oh entertaining ones
14/05/2008 05:14:43 ‹Fray› Buy James!
14/05/2008 05:14:45 ‹Daigle› Take care, James!
14/05/2008 05:14:46 ‹Blazej› Goodnight James.
14/05/2008 05:14:49 ‹deClench› later james
14/05/2008 05:14:49 ‹ollibolli› see ya next week, James
14/05/2008 05:15:00 ‹Absinth› Bye James and thanks a lot!
14/05/2008 05:15:01 ‹Mothman› seeya James
14/05/2008 05:15:03 ‹BM› Night James
14/05/2008 05:15:05 * seekerofshadowlight done with telepayhs stuff :dance2:
14/05/2008 05:15:10 * Crimson Jester Sings " I am just a cowboy, lonesome on the trail"
14/05/2008 05:15:15 ‹Madness Follows› dang. just lost a screw on my computer desk's keyboard slide out thingie.
14/05/2008 05:15:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite james
14/05/2008 05:15:17 ‹Lilith› Thanks so much James! :D
14/05/2008 05:15:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
14/05/2008 05:15:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› been there madness
14/05/2008 05:15:37 ‹Madness Follows› BYE JIMMY J!!!
14/05/2008 05:15:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lest ya didnt bend it
14/05/2008 05:16:09 ‹psymin_lap› gnite
14/05/2008 05:16:11 ‹Fray› So... what did I miss? :)
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01:27:30 ‹Lilith› Jeff Alvarez, congrats on the Titanic Games brand manager thingy-jiggy.
21/05/2008 01:27:35 * Cloakedchaos joins Main
21/05/2008 01:27:38 * Lilith gives Jeff more cookies! :cookie::cookie:
21/05/2008 01:27:39 ‹Jeff Alvarez› thanks!
21/05/2008 01:28:03 ‹Jeff Alvarez› It's been fun so far
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21/05/2008 01:28:12 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› D&D assumes that you reach 20th in 2 months in game.
21/05/2008 01:28:13 ‹Cloakedchaos› Evenin!
21/05/2008 01:28:17 ‹Lilith› Does this mean you get double the workload, doing both VP of Ops and Titanic Games?
21/05/2008 01:28:21 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Wah?
21/05/2008 01:28:35 ‹Jeff Alvarez› um, not quite but close. :)
21/05/2008 01:28:52 ‹Lilith› Jeff Alvarez, I can't wait to see the final version of Yetisburg. The demo was very fun!
21/05/2008 01:29:15 ‹Jeff Alvarez› I really excited to see the final as well. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
21/05/2008 01:29:31 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Hopefully it will be a big hit at Origins and GenCOn
21/05/2008 01:30:03 ‹Hill Giant› Will we ever see the alternate Kill Doctor Lucky map given the Deluxe treatment?
21/05/2008 01:30:33 ‹Cloakedchaos› I want to go to GenCon.. but I've never been to a Con on my own before, money's not a problem.. I just have no idea how to set myself up without getting lost
21/05/2008 01:30:36 ‹Lilith› Jeff Alvarez, if I get to GenCon...I'd be happy to run a demo game shift. :)
21/05/2008 01:30:38 ‹Jeff Alvarez› not sure....
21/05/2008 01:31:02 ‹Lilith› Cloakedchaos, if you've never been, don't really plan anything. Just go and get acclimated your first time around.
21/05/2008 01:31:18 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Lilith...Nice! I'd love to have you demo for me.
21/05/2008 01:31:24 ‹Cloakedchaos› No, I mean.. like, hotels and transportation beyond just the flight in
21/05/2008 01:31:49 ‹Lilith› Jeff Alvarez, KDL was loads of fun to demo. :)
21/05/2008 01:31:53 ‹Lilith› Cloakedchaos, Ah yes.
21/05/2008 01:32:04 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Cloakedchaos, just get a hotel adjecent to the convention center. all the food options you'd need are within walking distance
21/05/2008 01:32:26 ‹Hill Giant› Cloakedchaos: you also might want to look into sharing a room
21/05/2008 01:32:39 ‹Jeff Alvarez› and there's usually shuttles from the airport to the hotels..if not then grab a cab
21/05/2008 01:32:42 ‹Hill Giant› The GenCon website has details on hotels
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21/05/2008 01:32:58 ‹Lilith› Cloakedchaos, yeah, they've got airport shuttles.
21/05/2008 01:33:39 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Or talk with Jos Frost @ Paizo and tell him you want to demo for us. He'll help you find a room.
21/05/2008 01:33:40 ‹Majuba› What's up with "Falling" - I've never heard of it before
21/05/2008 01:33:44 ‹Jeff Alvarez› *josh
21/05/2008 01:34:31 ‹Cloakedchaos› I became interested when I saw someone post that they needed DMs for an Iron Player competition or something like taht
21/05/2008 01:34:32 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Falling is a card game that James Ernest made 10 years ago and it's a ton of fun. It's been out of print for 7 years so I'm not surprised that no one's heard of it
21/05/2008 01:34:35 ‹Cloakedchaos› *that even
21/05/2008 01:34:37 * Ask a Shoanti joins Main
21/05/2008 01:34:42 ‹Lilith› Ask!
21/05/2008 01:34:52 * Lilith runs over and glomps her favoritest barbarian! :glomp:
21/05/2008 01:34:58 * Lilith raises a klar in salute!
21/05/2008 01:35:07 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hi All!
21/05/2008 01:35:09 ‹Jeff Alvarez› It's a real-time card game for 3-8 players and we set the art for the reprint in Golarian
21/05/2008 01:35:16 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hi Lilith!
21/05/2008 01:35:28 ‹Majuba› real-time like.. Speed?
21/05/2008 01:35:30 * Ask a Shoanti returns salute with klar
21/05/2008 01:35:34 ‹Lilith› Majuba, yes
21/05/2008 01:35:45 ‹Majuba› ah, interesting
21/05/2008 01:35:55 ‹Majuba› is the basic premise something like fighting while falling?
21/05/2008 01:36:52 ‹Jeff Alvarez› not really fighting but rather pushing other players into collecting more cards then you so they have a better chance to hit the ground before you.
21/05/2008 01:37:26 ‹Majuba› cool
21/05/2008 01:37:28 ‹Ask a Shoanti› That sounds like tons of good laughs
21/05/2008 01:37:52 ‹Charles Evans› Ummm. yes, that sounds golin-ey
21/05/2008 01:38:01 ‹Lilith› Ask a Shoanti, I can't wait to see "A History of Ashes." :squee:
21/05/2008 01:38:02 ‹Charles Evans› go(b)lin-ey, even
21/05/2008 01:38:04 * Majuba orders his "pledge" t-shirt
21/05/2008 01:38:27 ‹Charles Evans› presumably the last playe to hit the ground has their fall broken by that big pile of soft bodies.
21/05/2008 01:38:33 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Lilith: Thanks! Hope it lives up
21/05/2008 01:38:55 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is AFK
21/05/2008 01:39:14 ‹Jeff Alvarez› well not quite...they still bite it. They just bite it last so they "win". :)
21/05/2008 01:39:23 * Charles Evans collects his :cthulhu:
21/05/2008 01:39:30 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Did the original have goblins?
21/05/2008 01:39:37 ‹Charles Evans› Anyway. Godnight; enjoy the chat tonight.
21/05/2008 01:39:40 * Majuba laughs
21/05/2008 01:39:44 ‹Charles Evans› Go(o)dnight#
21/05/2008 01:39:48 ‹Pygon› gnite Charles
21/05/2008 01:39:50 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Night!
21/05/2008 01:39:53 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Night Charles!
21/05/2008 01:40:01 * Charles Evans departs.....
21/05/2008 01:40:02 ‹Lilith› Pocza's art really makes Falling a lot of fun.
21/05/2008 01:40:04 * Charles Evans quit
21/05/2008 01:40:05 ‹Majuba› Hmm, 1st edition DMG PDF is 44 MB - super high res hopefully :)
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21/05/2008 01:40:43 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Yea, Drew did an amazing job capturing the fun of the game.
21/05/2008 01:41:16 ‹Jeff Alvarez› nope the original was falling business persons in suits
21/05/2008 01:41:26 ‹Jeff Alvarez› pretty lame actually
21/05/2008 01:41:32 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Ah!
21/05/2008 01:42:22 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Last week one of the pre-topics discussed was what onsters in the MM were the least used
21/05/2008 01:42:30 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I ahve a follow-up question
21/05/2008 01:42:32 ‹Ask a Shoanti› *have
21/05/2008 01:42:42 ‹Ask a Shoanti› What weapons in the PHB get the least love?
21/05/2008 01:42:51 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Anybody have any least favs?
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21/05/2008 01:43:41 ‹Pygon› hmm I can't think of any because, well, the ones I never use, I never think of.
21/05/2008 01:44:21 ‹Majuba› I like the Picks
21/05/2008 01:44:43 ‹Majuba› Flail
21/05/2008 01:44:43 ‹Majuba› gogo x4 crit... but I think you mean lack of stat based love so hmm...
21/05/2008 01:44:45 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Don't see a lot of picks - good crits
21/05/2008 01:44:48 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Hmm...
21/05/2008 01:45:01 ‹Majuba› definitely the Flail
21/05/2008 01:45:21 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I rarely see the orc double axe
21/05/2008 01:45:22 ‹Pygon› lance - never had a user for one. Sling - they just don't measure up. that's all I can think up at the moment
21/05/2008 01:45:25 ‹Majuba› 'that was my absolute favorite weapon in 1st edition, now.. ugh. Heavy Flail is okay, but the regular one bites
21/05/2008 01:45:35 ‹robert_hawk› least fav phb weapon? weird double weapons
21/05/2008 01:45:57 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith doing a favor
21/05/2008 01:45:58 ‹Ask a Shoanti› dire flail?
21/05/2008 01:45:58 ‹Majuba› lance has special charge rules, sling is great - large range increment, simple weapon, and adds strength bonus to damage
21/05/2008 01:47:03 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Nobody uses net really. . .
21/05/2008 01:47:13 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Monk weapons.
21/05/2008 01:47:13 * Majuba rereads.. "Ask, are you .. asking, what weapons people like the least?
21/05/2008 01:47:21 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I need to make a net expert
21/05/2008 01:47:33 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Yeah - what's the least popular, I guess
21/05/2008 01:47:34 ‹cpt_kirstov› never see na Siangham used
21/05/2008 01:47:35 ‹Majuba› not the weakest, just least liked/used
21/05/2008 01:47:40 ‹Majuba› 'ohhhh
21/05/2008 01:47:46 ‹Ask a Shoanti› THough I'm just making conversation - it's not too important
21/05/2008 01:47:54 ‹Majuba› I had a siangham since level 5 - 30.. don't think i ever used it
21/05/2008 01:47:56 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Monk weapons. Are just so annoying to get access to.
21/05/2008 01:48:17 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Ya! Never see the siangham
21/05/2008 01:48:23 ‹cpt_kirstov› or a gnome hooked hammer
21/05/2008 01:48:28 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› I never see a bola either,
21/05/2008 01:48:43 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Problem with monk weapons is the unarmed damage gets so good for monks
21/05/2008 01:48:50 ‹Cloakedchaos› Repeating Crossbow
21/05/2008 01:48:57 ‹cpt_kirstov› I've used a bola - not really worth it stat-wise though
21/05/2008 01:48:57 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Yeah.
21/05/2008 01:49:05 ‹Cloakedchaos› It just annoys me to no end.
21/05/2008 01:49:12 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Yeah - bola needs to be on some class weapons list
21/05/2008 01:49:14 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Cloakedchaos, why?
21/05/2008 01:49:31 ‹Majuba› Guisarme - same stats as the Ranseur, except slashing and 1 gp cheaper
21/05/2008 01:49:35 ‹Pygon› My players 13th level monk has such trouble with DR that I gifted here a shocking quarter staff at the end of her last campaign
21/05/2008 01:50:13 ‹Cloakedchaos› 1) It seems a bit too techy for a high fantasy game.. and 2) It's so lumbering and clumsy. it's hard for me to imagine an adventurer using it.
21/05/2008 01:50:40 * Mulban joins Main
21/05/2008 01:50:57 ‹Majuba› no one uses darts anymore
21/05/2008 01:51:16 ‹Pygon› strength damage though and you can throw more than a sling
21/05/2008 01:51:22 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Cloakedchaos, one second...
21/05/2008 01:51:29 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Yeah darts were a staple in 1st Ed
21/05/2008 01:51:35 ‹Majuba› oh right, sling is action to reload
21/05/2008 01:52:19 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Cloakedchaos, they aren't that high tech.
21/05/2008 01:52:29 ‹Pygon› shurikens allow sneak attack right?
21/05/2008 01:52:45 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Cloakedchaos, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Ki4SX5M
21/05/2008 01:52:47 ‹Majuba› no weapon "doesn't allow" sneak attack Py
21/05/2008 01:52:53 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› More than half way through.
21/05/2008 01:53:14 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Shuriken - Think so - based on range
21/05/2008 01:53:25 ‹HG is AFK› Pygon: only on the first one/attack
21/05/2008 01:53:31 ‹Mulban› Well a 2H Axe isn't exactly conducive to it
21/05/2008 01:53:53 ‹Ask a Shoanti› If within 30 feet
21/05/2008 01:54:13 ‹Majuba› HG: I think you're thinking of 3.0 shuriken, where you throw three at once
21/05/2008 01:54:23 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Of course the chinese also had flamethrowers, and multi-stage rockets (that fired rocket propelled arrows)
21/05/2008 01:54:27 ‹Pygon› that's what I was thinking of
21/05/2008 01:54:34 ‹HG is AFK› Majuba: quite probable
21/05/2008 01:54:38 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› So....
21/05/2008 01:54:42 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› I don't know.
21/05/2008 01:54:47 ‹HG is AFK› Shuriken's a weapon a never use
21/05/2008 01:54:49 ‹Majuba› HG: I liked the 3.0 shuriken :)
21/05/2008 01:55:12 ‹Cloakedchaos› Never said it was a bad weapon.. just my particular flavor of fantasy tends to be rooted in British/European mores.
21/05/2008 01:55:23 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› Ok.
21/05/2008 01:55:48 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Iin one of Nicks adventures he stats up a half-orc monk that does almost decent damage with shurikens thanks to his high strength
21/05/2008 01:55:49 ‹Cloakedchaos› I just don't like it for the same reason some people don't like ketchup.. leaves a bad taste in my mouth
21/05/2008 01:55:59 ‹HG is AFK› The Greeks had a repeating crossbow, but it looked nothing like the chinese one and jammed easily
21/05/2008 01:56:07 ‹Ask a Shoanti› "Chains of Black Maw"
21/05/2008 01:57:05 ‹tensor› oompa oompa, oompidy da!
21/05/2008 01:57:42 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hi tensor!
21/05/2008 01:57:47 ‹Mulban› The Greeks also had the concept of "Chi"
21/05/2008 01:57:48 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› I didn't really like the repeating crossbow when it was something using gears and loadable magazines in my mind.
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21/05/2008 01:58:10 * Skeld joins Main
21/05/2008 01:58:15 ‹Blazej (in the distance)› I like the pump action repeating crossbow for it's simplicity.
21/05/2008 01:58:49 ‹HG is AFK› The greek repeating crossbow used a crude conveyor belt - not simple at all
21/05/2008 01:58:53 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'd like to see a ressurection of the broadsword
21/05/2008 01:59:12 ‹HG is AFK› Cloakedchaos: in what sense?
21/05/2008 01:59:27 ‹Cloakedchaos› Just for some added flavor
21/05/2008 01:59:29 * HG is AFK changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant
21/05/2008 02:00:19 ‹Hill Giant› Wide blades versus thin blades?
21/05/2008 02:00:36 * Cloakedchaos nods
21/05/2008 02:01:18 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Should its stats differ?
21/05/2008 02:01:27 * Ask a Shoanti wonders
21/05/2008 02:01:37 ‹cpt_kirstov› Ask a Shoanti, I would say yes..
21/05/2008 02:01:48 ‹Cloakedchaos› I was thinking 2d4 damage, one handed 19-20/x2
21/05/2008 02:02:11 ‹Ask a Shoanti› 2d4 vs 1d8 - I like it
21/05/2008 02:02:13 ‹cpt_kirstov› to account for the extra long guard pinions
21/05/2008 02:02:20 * deClench joins Main
21/05/2008 02:02:29 ‹Ask a Shoanti› better avg damage if I recall
21/05/2008 02:02:33 ‹Cloakedchaos› Heavier blade, deals more damage on average than a longsword, but harder to slip into armor for *good* hits (i.e. 8 damage)
21/05/2008 02:02:37 * BrianC joins Main
21/05/2008 02:02:52 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Nice!
21/05/2008 02:02:54 * psymin joins Main
21/05/2008 02:03:13 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Subtle and balanced.
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21/05/2008 02:03:30 ‹Hill Giant› makes a sense.
21/05/2008 02:03:31 ‹Cloakedchaos› And 2d4 was the damage on a broadsword in 2nd ed I believe
21/05/2008 02:04:18 * Mothman joins Main
21/05/2008 02:04:21 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Also has better minimum damage for the pesimists. . .
21/05/2008 02:04:35 ‹Russ› I imagine the Chinese repeating crossbow jammed a lot too
21/05/2008 02:04:36 ‹Hill Giant› I just don't like the term broadsword - has too many meanings
21/05/2008 02:04:46 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'd say 6lbs vs 4lb longsword
21/05/2008 02:04:46 ‹robert_hawk› the damage is half empty! <--- pessimist
21/05/2008 02:04:57 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: probably, but it has less parts than the greek one
21/05/2008 02:04:59 ‹Mothman› Hi guys
21/05/2008 02:05:05 ‹Ask a Shoanti› lol!
21/05/2008 02:05:07 ‹Russ› A longsword was 1d8/1d12, vs. 2d4/1d6+1
21/05/2008 02:05:15 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hi Mothman!
21/05/2008 02:05:22 ‹Russ› Six pounds is WAY too heavy for a sword.
21/05/2008 02:05:25 ‹Mothman› How's it going Ask?
21/05/2008 02:05:35 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Not bad! You man?
21/05/2008 02:05:39 ‹Russ› 3rd kept the old weights, which were encumberance based, but made them weight only
21/05/2008 02:05:43 ‹Majuba› cloaked: highly in favor of returning the Broadsword!
21/05/2008 02:05:58 ‹Mothman› Oh, Ask, just realised that you wrote PF ... 10? I think. Nice work! Can't wait to get it!
21/05/2008 02:06:10 ‹cpt_kirstov› Russ, real broadswords average 5-7 pounds
21/05/2008 02:06:13 * Cloakedchaos highfives Majuba and then snaps his fingers
21/05/2008 02:06:14 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Hey thanks! Hope it lives up
21/05/2008 02:06:19 ‹cpt_kirstov› so6 is about right
21/05/2008 02:06:31 ‹Russ› Real GREATSWORDS don't average 7 pounds
21/05/2008 02:06:54 ‹Mothman› Ask, I'm sure it will
21/05/2008 02:06:58 ‹Majuba› that's why their 8 :)
21/05/2008 02:07:00 ‹Russ› One issue with "broadsword" is that it isn't a term with a lot of historical standardization. It includes basket hilted weapons, for example
21/05/2008 02:07:25 ‹Ask a Shoanti› It's too "broad"?:lol:
21/05/2008 02:07:37 ‹Cloakedchaos› But the term "broadsword" evokes some flavorful mental pictures
21/05/2008 02:07:40 ‹Mothman› Ha! Nice....
21/05/2008 02:07:41 ‹cpt_kirstov› true true - I think Claymore when I read broadsword
21/05/2008 02:07:43 ‹Russ› The broadsword most D&D people think of is a longsword.
21/05/2008 02:08:13 ‹cpt_kirstov› which averages 5.5 pounds
21/05/2008 02:08:19 ‹Hill Giant› My understanding is broadsword is a Victorian term for anything that's not a fencing blade
21/05/2008 02:08:20 ‹Mothman› I always picture the "typical" viking sword - which is probably a longsword?
21/05/2008 02:08:22 ‹cpt_kirstov› (just looked it up)
21/05/2008 02:08:58 ‹Hill Giant› Wide blades were not as common as fantasy art would have you believe.
21/05/2008 02:10:06 ‹Russ› A broadsword in D&D is one-handed, so it ain't a claymore
21/05/2008 02:10:50 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Weren't there claymore stats at one time? Anybody recall?
21/05/2008 02:11:19 ‹cpt_kirstov› * During the 17th through 19th centuries, the term was used in Europe as a name for a specific design of sword, namely a straight-bladed, double-edged, basket-hilted sword like the Italian schiavona or the Scottish claymore (which has been used to describe both basket-hilted blades and the more popular greatsword). Surviving examples of such swords are around 105 cm long (90 cm of which is bla
21/05/2008 02:11:21 ‹BrianC› AD&D 2E
21/05/2008 02:11:22 ‹Cloakedchaos› I think so
21/05/2008 02:11:26 ‹Russ› A claymore is just a two-handed sword
21/05/2008 02:11:32 ‹BrianC› Test...
21/05/2008 02:11:40 ‹BrianC› Okay, better now.
21/05/2008 02:11:46 ‹Hill Giant› Back in 2E, a friend of mine collected all the weapon stats from all the books we had and made a big book of weapons - it had 25 different swords
21/05/2008 02:11:49 ‹BrianC› Claymore: AD&D 2E
21/05/2008 02:11:55 ‹Russ› kirstov - keep your sources straight, then. The basket-hilted version of the claymore didn't weigh 5.5 pounds.
21/05/2008 02:12:04 ‹cpt_kirstov› modern = any two sided sword ment for slashing
21/05/2008 02:12:30 ‹Russ› And it was a one-handed weapon, so not what people generally mean by a claymore
21/05/2008 02:12:32 ‹Cloakedchaos› I tend to sidle away from historic accuracy in favor of a fantastic flair in my games.
21/05/2008 02:12:50 ‹Jeff Alvarez› Ok, I'm out. Night all!
21/05/2008 02:13:00 ‹Cloakedchaos› Night Jeff
21/05/2008 02:13:24 ‹Russ› If you're going to go with a meaningful version of the broadsword, it should probably be a single-edged chopping weapon
21/05/2008 02:13:25 ‹Hill Giant› 'night, Jeff
21/05/2008 02:13:45 ‹Russ› But that version of a broadsword is anachrononistic
21/05/2008 02:13:48 ‹Ask a Shoanti› Night Jeff!
21/05/2008 02:13:51 ‹Cloakedchaos› What.. like the Uruk-ai blades from the LotR movies?
21/05/2008 02:14:04 ‹Mothman› Bye Jeff
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21/05/2008 02:14:31 ‹Ask a Shoanti› I gotta dash too - great jamming ideas with you all (as usual)
21/05/2008 02:14:41 ‹Cloakedchaos› Night Ask!
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21/05/2008 02:14:59 ‹Russ› Not really. They look a lot like a cavalry sabre.
21/05/2008 02:15:20 ‹Russ› The distinction being in how you cut with them, as near as I can tell.
21/05/2008 02:15:27 ‹BrianC› It's been a while since I've been to one of these deals: is the Pathfinder chat in here, or a side-room?
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21/05/2008 03:00:11 ‹Ross› Blazej (in the distance), MapTool's line-of-sight blocking stuff is called topology.
21/05/2008 03:00:17 ‹cappadocius› Blaze: Topology is creating blockage for line of sight.
21/05/2008 03:00:23 * Blazej (in the distance) changes his/her nickname to Blazej
21/05/2008 03:00:23 ‹Wyvern› James!
21/05/2008 03:00:23 ‹Blazej› Yo.
21/05/2008 03:00:23 ‹seekerofshadowlight› David, I had internet issues........will get it reposted
21/05/2008 03:00:25 ‹Mulban› That was funny Russ, I hadn't seen that before
21/05/2008 03:00:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello james
21/05/2008 03:00:35 ‹James Jacobs› Hi there!
21/05/2008 03:00:46 ‹cpt_kirstov› hihi
21/05/2008 03:00:46 ‹Cloakedchaos› Hiya James
21/05/2008 03:00:54 ‹robert_hawk› hey there
21/05/2008 03:00:55 ‹Ross› James! Greetings!
21/05/2008 03:00:57 ‹Joey Virtue› James you sure are puncual
21/05/2008 03:01:04 ‹Mulban› JJ!
21/05/2008 03:01:07 ‹Blazej› Is it still sunny James?
21/05/2008 03:01:07 ‹deClench› woot!
21/05/2008 03:01:28 ‹James Jacobs› It's still daylight... not really all that sunny. The blessed rain has returned
21/05/2008 03:01:40 ‹Joey Virtue› its washinton its never sunny
21/05/2008 03:01:45 ‹Pygon› welcome James!
21/05/2008 03:01:45 ‹cpt_kirstov› lol.... 11 pm here
21/05/2008 03:01:48 ‹Cloakedchaos› It's like Africa hot down here in Florida
21/05/2008 03:01:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› same here
21/05/2008 03:02:00 ‹Blazej› Joey Virtue, It was sunny just a few days ago.
21/05/2008 03:02:04 * Urza joins Main
21/05/2008 03:02:12 ‹cpt_kirstov› rained past two days here too - to make things worse
21/05/2008 03:02:14 ‹Blazej› Just in time for the sun to follow me to California.
21/05/2008 03:02:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; we had some crazy sunny hot days here for a bit.
21/05/2008 03:02:26 ‹BrianC› Hello, James.
21/05/2008 03:02:32 ‹Majuba› hey James!
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21/05/2008 03:02:36 ‹robert_hawk› its sunny up here in raincouver for a change
21/05/2008 03:02:52 ‹Ross› Cloakedchaos, What part of florida are you in? It's only pretty balmy here in Orlando.
21/05/2008 03:02:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› been rainy here all week
21/05/2008 03:03:07 ‹Ross› Cloakedchaos, What part of florida are you in? It's only pretty balmy here in Orlando.
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21/05/2008 03:03:20 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'm right near Ft Lauderdale
21/05/2008 03:03:22 ‹David› kinda chilly here today not alot of raiin though a few sprinkles...
21/05/2008 03:03:25 ‹Urza› hi all
21/05/2008 03:03:29 ‹lojakz› hello everybody
21/05/2008 03:03:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello urza and lojakz
21/05/2008 03:04:02 ‹Mothman› Hey James
21/05/2008 03:04:10 ‹Urza› age of conan = fun
21/05/2008 03:04:20 ‹Ross› Urza, every time I see you without hte 'Sir' I have to urge the ask where Mishra is.
21/05/2008 03:04:21 ‹lojakz› how's life going this fine evening?
21/05/2008 03:04:23 ‹cpt_kirstov› Ross, I'll be down there in July
21/05/2008 03:04:33 ‹Urza› he's dead :P
21/05/2008 03:04:34 ‹Russ› Greetings on this just-post-election day, James
21/05/2008 03:04:46 * cappadocius yaaaawwwwns.
21/05/2008 03:04:50 ‹Russ› You think you had sun - it was 96 degrees in Cabo
21/05/2008 03:04:53 ‹Mothman› James, I'm reading Escape from Old Korvosa at the moment - love me some Rakshasa action! I've never really thought about their CR before, but you're probably right to drop it to CR8
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21/05/2008 03:05:00 ‹Lilith is AFK› James Jacobs!
21/05/2008 03:05:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; Age of Conan looks pretty cool... althoguh I haven't had a chance to play it much y et.
21/05/2008 03:05:12 * Lilith is AFK runs over, squees and glomps James Jacobs! :squee: :glomp:
21/05/2008 03:05:21 ‹James Jacobs› OOF!
21/05/2008 03:05:23 ‹cappadocius› Oh! There he is!
21/05/2008 03:05:27 ‹lojakz› hey Lilith aren't you supposed to AFK? :)
21/05/2008 03:05:29 ‹cappadocius› He didn't have his Golem!
21/05/2008 03:05:35 ‹cappadocius› And, wait. Age of Conan is out?!
03:05:49 ‹Urza› you're not allowed to play it James... you're supposed to be editing stuff
21/05/2008 03:05:53 ‹Ross› cpt_kirstov, where and when exactly?
21/05/2008 03:05:57 ‹Russ› Holy shit! Anthrax scare at Symantec here in Eugene!
21/05/2008 03:05:58 ‹Blazej› She is AFK. She can use the chat without the keyboard.
21/05/2008 03:05:59 * Lilith is AFK changes his/her nickname to Lilith is doing a favor
21/05/2008 03:06:01 ‹Urza› yes it came out to people who preordered it last week
21/05/2008 03:06:03 ‹Cloakedchaos› Yar.. my fiance and I both have our collecter's editions.
21/05/2008 03:06:07 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... rakshasa are weird on that CR scene. They've got high resistance... but if you get through it they go down fast. And they don't really do TOO much damage...
21/05/2008 03:06:10 ‹lojakz› WOAH!
21/05/2008 03:06:11 ‹Urza› the servers went live for everyone today
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21/05/2008 03:06:46 ‹James Jacobs› I bought the early start option only to realize my ISP throttles peer-to-peer transfers and therefore didn't get it all downloaded and updated till about 3:00 AM last night.
21/05/2008 03:06:54 ‹Urza› Cloakedchaos, any idea if the preorder CE are for all characters or just 1?
21/05/2008 03:07:04 ‹Russ› Lots of outsiders have that problem.
21/05/2008 03:07:07 ‹cappadocius› I wonder if that means Warhammer Online is out soon...
21/05/2008 03:07:07 ‹Ross› Go Comcast!
21/05/2008 03:07:10 ‹Mothman› James, so a late night (or early morning) then?
21/05/2008 03:07:12 ‹Russ› JJ> Sounds Comcastic.
21/05/2008 03:07:13 ‹cappadocius› FEWER OUTSIDERS!
21/05/2008 03:07:15 ‹cappadocius› MORE PLANTS!
21/05/2008 03:07:16 ‹Cloakedchaos› No idea.. I've been patching for hours upon hours
21/05/2008 03:07:19 ‹lojakz› is that game looking sweet Urza? i don't MMORPG, but it's because i haven't found one that really grabs me yet
21/05/2008 03:07:38 ‹James Jacobs› True... but they fixed a lot of the outsiders' problems with the 3.5 upgrade. The poor rakshasas slipped through the cracks, though.
21/05/2008 03:07:39 ‹cpt_kirstov› Ross, my GF and I are staying at the hampton inn between universal and sea world July 19-26
21/05/2008 03:07:45 ‹Blazej› What about the untapped potential of Outsider Plants?
21/05/2008 03:07:54 ‹Blazej› How many of those do you see?
21/05/2008 03:07:57 ‹James Jacobs› Outsider plants would just be outsiders, though.
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21/05/2008 03:08:07 ‹Urza› lojakz, i'll say this.. when it comes out on 360... it'll probably be a lot more fun.. it's clearly designed controller-wise to be 360 friendly
21/05/2008 03:08:12 * BrianC is reading goblinscomic.com FUN
21/05/2008 03:08:14 ‹Blazej› Spoil-sport.
21/05/2008 03:08:30 ‹James Jacobs› That's the thing about the outsider type. it's HUGE. It covers so much. If there's ANY category we're gonna have "too much" of... Outsider's a good one since it covers such a stupid-huge range of possibilities.
21/05/2008 03:08:39 ‹Ross› cpt_kirstov, ah. Enjoy your trip. I presume you're visiting both Universal and Sea World.
21/05/2008 03:08:47 ‹Mothman› James, I'm not sure why people (or person) had such a problem with the scene with the Sable guy attempting to assassinate the queen ... seemed to work for me
21/05/2008 03:08:51 ‹Russ› Yes. Infinite realms of possibility, two critter types. Joy :)
21/05/2008 03:08:53 ‹BrianC› Durnit. I was hoping for more contructs.
21/05/2008 03:08:53 ‹Cloakedchaos› And Outsiders nearly always present a good challenge.
21/05/2008 03:09:05 ‹lojakz› hmm, fair enough. i haven't picked up a 360 yet, but plan too, and if this game is "awesome" enough, then that might be the catylist
21/05/2008 03:09:07 ‹cappadocius› Good ol' Outsiders, Undead, and Constructs.
21/05/2008 03:09:08 ‹Majuba› James: Will the different human subraces (shoanti, varisian, etc.) get different race entries/abilities eventually? (such as weapon proficiency/familiarity?)
21/05/2008 03:09:10 ‹Russ› I loved reading the assassination scene. And it is gonna freak out my players.
21/05/2008 03:09:36 ‹cpt_kirstov› Ross, most likly going to hit most of the parks
21/05/2008 03:09:42 ‹cappadocius› Let's go out of our way to make things that naturally immune to most troublesome character abilities rather than think outside the box!
21/05/2008 03:09:47 ‹Russ› But what has Paizo Sent To me Lately?
21/05/2008 03:09:49 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, only because the 'extraplanar' subtype is underused with other types. Anyway, that's why you can't just get plain 'outsider-bane' stuff.
21/05/2008 03:09:51 ‹Mulban› I always thought that was the greatest thing about 3.X, the way it presented the information
21/05/2008 03:09:57 ‹Joey Virtue› well i got the boot so i missed the reply Pathfinder 3 early in the morning or in the afternoon
21/05/2008 03:09:58 * cappadocius is not accusing Paizo of this, but GOD he's sick of Outsiders, Undead, and Constructs.
21/05/2008 03:10:03 ‹lojakz› i really like the assassanation scene too. when i run this, i'll probably run the scene with Triana escaping the same way.
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21/05/2008 03:11:01 ‹Joey Virtue› i really like the assignation too
21/05/2008 03:11:20 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> As far as I can tell... it's just one guy, and his problem is that he's not able to "let go" of the rules to have a cut scene.
21/05/2008 03:11:28 ‹Ross› cpt_kirstov, have fun. I'm not big on parks anymore. It comes from growing up around them.
21/05/2008 03:11:31 ‹Cloakedchaos› My fiance still hasn't recovered from the Aldern Foxglove scene when he (I) said to her in my 'bedroom voice' "come my love.. let us consummate.. " and in in my creepy voice "our hunger.."
21/05/2008 03:11:44 ‹BrianC› Coming soon from Paizo Publishing: Complete Book of Animated Dinnerware
21/05/2008 03:11:52 ‹James Jacobs› Majuba> I doubt that we'll be doing much to differentiate the human ethnicities at all apart from flavor.
21/05/2008 03:11:59 ‹Russ› I prefer some amount of cinematic.
21/05/2008 03:12:09 ‹Russ› I disagree with idea that a lawful can't snap.
21/05/2008 03:12:10 ‹Majuba› Cloaked: wicked :)
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03:12:38 ‹Ross› Cloakedchaos, that's awesome, but I'm sure it's had its drawbacks as well.
21/05/2008 03:12:46 ‹Russ› 61 - 39 for the Oregon results, Majuba
21/05/2008 03:12:53 ‹Cloakedchaos› yea.. verily
21/05/2008 03:12:57 ‹Majuba› I'm seeing Russ - thanks!
21/05/2008 03:12:59 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; we're trying out a few of those "cinematic" style encounters where it's mostly description and the PCs get to say what they want to do and the GM just kind of "wings" it. It's a cool way to get a big, complicated scene in without spending a dozen pages on maps and stats and stuff.
21/05/2008 03:13:04 ‹lojakz› I think the scene will work wonderfully honestly. I've not had a chance to run any of pathfinders adventures (except Hollow's Last Hope which ended in a TPK), but dammit, it's scenes like the assassination that really get me going.
21/05/2008 03:13:13 ‹cpt_kirstov› hmmm.... stay and chat or go and read gazeteer
21/05/2008 03:13:24 ‹Mothman› love the cinematic scenes
21/05/2008 03:13:25 ‹Cloakedchaos› I <3 Cinematic scenes and dialogue
21/05/2008 03:13:40 ‹Russ› You could almost call it a coup-de-grace if you needed mechanics to work
21/05/2008 03:14:23 ‹Mothman› Russ, that's what I was thinking
21/05/2008 03:14:51 * Mr Baron joins Main
21/05/2008 03:14:57 ‹cpt_kirstov› remember she only has to hit for 1/2 his HP to cause a save vs massive damage
21/05/2008 03:15:04 ‹James Jacobs› Thing is... if we want to use game mechanics... I more or less have to include stat blocks. And since, at that point, Ileosa's a CR 20 (or close to it) menace... and her stat block comes with a new feat and a new spell and at LEAST one new magic item... it would have been a waste of space. I would have probably had to cut the entire Laori/Salvator house sequence and probably Amin Jalento too.
21/05/2008 03:15:31 ‹Mr Baron› hello!
21/05/2008 03:15:36 ‹Mothman› James, is it Second Darkness where you will start introducing the Side Trek adventures into the PFAP?
21/05/2008 03:15:41 ‹Mothman› Hey MR Baron
21/05/2008 03:15:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello baron
21/05/2008 03:15:59 ‹Ross› cpt_kirstov, only 50, not half. You must have a house rule.
21/05/2008 03:15:59 ‹Urza› JJ... two words.... web enhancement :)
21/05/2008 03:16:01 ‹James Jacobs› yes; Second Darkness will have shorter main adventures but will be augmented by the Set Piece adventures.
21/05/2008 03:16:02 ‹Cloakedchaos› Sometimes you just have to tell your players Sorry.. its' a cutscene.. you can't select ATK, MAG or ITM.
21/05/2008 03:16:02 ‹Mothman› James: yeah, imo the way the assassination scene was handled was the right way
21/05/2008 03:16:16 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Two more words... nervous breakdown.
21/05/2008 03:16:21 ‹Mothman› Set Piece ... cool
21/05/2008 03:16:23 ‹Russ› Never use stat blocks on something you want a fixed outcome for
21/05/2008 03:16:40 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: Try not to involve the PCs in something you want a fixed outcome for.
21/05/2008 03:16:51 ‹lojakz› James, you should take you a long vacation. my i suggest someplace tropical with grass skirts
21/05/2008 03:16:58 ‹James Jacobs› Involving the PCs in the execution scene at the end of Edge of Anarchy is, frankly... kinda risky.
21/05/2008 03:17:04 ‹lojakz› and by my, i mean may... i can't spell
21/05/2008 03:17:09 ‹Russ› I'm still fairly confused by the plot flow in Escape, tho. I need to reread it and figure out how the hell the last part of it is supposed to work without the PCs getting slaughtered.
21/05/2008 03:17:15 ‹Majuba› okay - too much spoilers for me - have a great night everyone!!!
21/05/2008 03:17:15 ‹BrianC› Not as players, anyway. Witnesses, sure, but you need to always realize that players are a reality-changing lot.
21/05/2008 03:17:18 * Samwise joins Main
21/05/2008 03:17:27 ‹Mothman› James, also on Second Darkness, can you give away at this stage how much of the Path will be set in the Darklands? Or would that be cheating?
21/05/2008 03:17:30 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The PCs should not attack everyone they meet, for starters... ;)
21/05/2008 03:17:32 ‹Mr Baron› so James, how many upcoming secret announcements are there? It seems like every week you have a surprise for us :)
21/05/2008 03:17:40 ‹Majuba› I *heart* Pathfinder!
21/05/2008 03:17:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> It's looking like 2 adventures will be in the Darklands.
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21/05/2008 03:17:58 ‹Mothman› Russ: I think the adventure sort of assumes that the PCs will not / should not fight Bahor
21/05/2008 03:18:03 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Samwise! :squee: :thug:
21/05/2008 03:18:09 ‹BrianC› I *heart* occasionally writing for Pathfinder!
21/05/2008 03:18:14 ‹James Jacobs› Hmmm... the bit about Elaine Cunningham's more or less out... hmmmmmmm... let me think.
21/05/2008 03:18:15 ‹Samwise› hello
21/05/2008 03:18:17 ‹Russ› James> Yeah, but it looks like they are supposed to do the dungeon, and I don 't follow how that doesn't result in overwhelming force from above.
21/05/2008 03:18:45 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, I can't wait for Second Darkness. Love me some drow! :D I'm eager to see the demon lords they worship.
21/05/2008 03:18:46 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, what about the other 4 adventures?
21/05/2008 03:18:53 ‹Mothman› James, have you guys officially announced Elaine's involvement yet (I dont think so...)
21/05/2008 03:19:09 ‹cappadocius› I suspect one will be in Riddleport, one will be in the Mierwhatsit Elf Forest...
21/05/2008 03:19:16 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› cappadocius, Mierani
21/05/2008 03:19:27 ‹cappadocius› and then there's only one more, Into the Darkness, as I recall, is only a 5 adventure path.
21/05/2008 03:19:30 ‹Mothman› Russ: "Overwhelming force from above" ?
21/05/2008 03:19:32 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Bahor actually kind of wants them to go into the dungeon, to be honest. The "correct solution" is to (SPOILERS!!!) basically diplomicise with him to get into the dungeon, deal with what's down there, then flee. In the process, the PCs get rid of Vimanda, which frees up Bahor's worries and lets him reclaim sole ownership over the place.
21/05/2008 03:19:54 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> 3 of them will be set in Varisia, 1 will be set... elsewhere.
21/05/2008 03:20:00 ‹cappadocius› Thanks, Lilith.
21/05/2008 03:20:05 ‹lojakz› James, I'm especially looking forward to the demon lords.
21/05/2008 03:20:05 ‹cappadocius› oh, it *is* a full 6?
21/05/2008 03:20:07 ‹Russ› That must be what I missed.
21/05/2008 03:20:15 ‹James Jacobs› All of them are six-part adventures.
21/05/2008 03:20:16 ‹Mulban› James, when will the Flumph finally be unveiled in Pathfinder? Any truth to the rumor I just made up about them being central to the 10th AP?
21/05/2008 03:20:25 ‹Mothman› "Elsewhere" ... cool! Green Planet?
21/05/2008 03:20:32 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> It's somewhat complex... developing that whole plotline was pretty harrowing.
21/05/2008 03:20:42 ‹Mothman› ... or Abyss maybe
21/05/2008 03:20:42 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> nah; we'll be staying on Golarion for a long time to come.
21/05/2008 03:20:46 * Eyebite joins Main
21/05/2008 03:20:49 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, harrowing because of the 3e/4e stuff?
21/05/2008 03:20:49 ‹cappadocius› Have we determined the next two deities for Into the Darkness?
21/05/2008 03:20:57 ‹Mothman› ah, fair enough
21/05/2008 03:21:08 ‹James Jacobs› Mulban> The flumph doesn't need to be updated; it's in the Tome of Horrors, whenever we need him.
21/05/2008 03:21:21 ‹cappadocius› yay! He's the dominant race of the Blue Planet!
21/05/2008 03:21:25 ‹cappadocius› the Flumph, I mean.
21/05/2008 03:21:27 ‹cappadocius› It's true.
21/05/2008 03:21:29 ‹Mulban› I really should read that book...
21/05/2008 03:21:33 ‹Mothman› The Flumph is OGC? Fantastic!
21/05/2008 03:21:45 ‹Russ› I need to get Tome of Horrors some day
21/05/2008 03:21:47 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Nah; harrowing because it's a really complicated set of NPCs and personalities and really tangled machinations.
21/05/2008 03:21:56 ‹Russ› I picked up ToH II n the way to PaizoCon
21/05/2008 03:21:56 ‹cappadocius› yay machinations!
21/05/2008 03:21:57 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, Oh yes. :)
21/05/2008 03:22:05 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Two deities for Second Darkness?
21/05/2008 03:22:08 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Russ, at Powell's? :D
21/05/2008 03:22:16 ‹lojakz› Mothman>I never thought I'd see use Flumph and Fantastic in the same sentence.
21/05/2008 03:22:21 ‹James Jacobs› Second Darkness's two deities will be Cayden Caliean and Calistria
21/05/2008 03:22:23 ‹Eyebite› Box of Flumph 2 - Return of the Flumph! It has to be done.
21/05/2008 03:22:34 ‹cappadocius› Excellent!
21/05/2008 03:22:35 ‹lojakz› (holy gods, apparently i can't type tonight)
21/05/2008 03:22:38 ‹Blazej› Oh boy.
21/05/2008 03:22:46 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, Cayden is a hilarious god.
21/05/2008 03:22:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
21/05/2008 03:22:55 ‹James Jacobs› He is.
21/05/2008 03:23:02 ‹cappadocius› I'm *really* curious about Calistria. She gets dumped in with the "evil" gods on the list, but she's only CN.
21/05/2008 03:23:07 ‹James Jacobs› There's some fun stuff coming up with him AND with Calistrai.
21/05/2008 03:23:08 ‹Blazej› There will be pain between those two, I imagine.
21/05/2008 03:23:13 ‹cappadocius› CN is such a complex alignment.
21/05/2008 03:23:14 ‹Cloakedchaos› The only Golarion specific PrC so far is the Spherewalker, right?
21/05/2008 03:23:14 ‹James Jacobs› Calistria isn't evil.
21/05/2008 03:23:20 * Sir Wulf joins Main
21/05/2008 03:23:22 ‹Mothman› lojakz: I should have added a ~sarcasm~ tag... ;-)
21/05/2008 03:23:24 ‹James Jacobs› She's not part of the evil list.
21/05/2008 03:23:31 ‹cappadocius› But she's always down there with them on the deity chart!
21/05/2008 03:23:32 ‹Blazej› There is the Abadar PrC.
21/05/2008 03:23:41 * Paul joins Main
21/05/2008 03:23:56 ‹Cloakedchaos› She just hangs with them, because they're more fun than the goody two-shoes
21/05/2008 03:24:00 ‹cappadocius› Gorum, Calistria, and Asmodeus.
21/05/2008 03:24:07 ‹cappadocius› It's guilt by association!
21/05/2008 03:24:09 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Sir Wulf!
21/05/2008 03:24:16 ‹James Jacobs› Cloak> Yup. Those two. Desna & Abadar got prestige classes. Lamashtu got an alternate class, and Zon-Kuthon doesn't get nuthin; we focused more on his church and flavor in that one.
21/05/2008 03:24:18 ‹cappadocius› I know it's just because of the way the alignments are presented.
21/05/2008 03:24:24 ‹lojakz› Mothman>lol ahhh, that makes more sense :D
21/05/2008 03:24:38 ‹cappadocius› but from Gorum down I get the "worshipped by evil" vibe.
21/05/2008 03:24:40 * psymin joins Main
21/05/2008 03:24:44 ‹James Jacobs› We're actually kinda keeping the prestige class scene light on purpose, since we're in a transitional period.
21/05/2008 03:25:09 ‹Eyebite› James> estimate on when we will see the final iconic?
21/05/2008 03:25:10 ‹James Jacobs› Calistria's certainly got more good worshipers than evil ones. Gorum's probably got more evil ones than good ones.
21/05/2008 03:25:27 ‹Cloakedchaos› Where can I find Thaumaturge of Lamashtu.. I've been searching through the Paizo site and I can't find the denoted book anywhere.
21/05/2008 03:25:30 ‹Mr Baron› so what will AP4 be? any final conclusions yet?
21/05/2008 03:25:30 ‹Ross› BrianC: What have you done for Pathfinder? (I'm less than great at keeping track of who wrote what in Paizo stuff.)
21/05/2008 03:25:32 ‹James Jacobs› I'm pretty sure we'll have the final iconic up online by June.
21/05/2008 03:25:33 ‹Urza› 3 cheers for crossbow girl :P
21/05/2008 03:25:49 ‹Eyebite› Sweet
21/05/2008 03:25:56 ‹James Jacobs› AP4! We have indeed more or less made the final decision on what it's gonna be. What it's NOT gonna be: Set in Cheliax.
21/05/2008 03:25:58 ‹lojakz› James>I'm actually glad to see there isn't a lot of prestige classes going on in Pathfinder stuff. I love the concept of them, but have hated the execution after the switch to 3.5. Not seeing has made me happy,
21/05/2008 03:26:10 ‹cappadocius› Cloakedchaos: Thaumaturges are from Armies of the Abyss, or Book of Fiends, from Green Ronin.
21/05/2008 03:26:13 ‹James Jacobs› Thaumaturge stuff is in Green Ronin's "Book of Fiends," Cloakedchaos.
21/05/2008 03:26:17 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Scooped!
21/05/2008 03:26:27 ‹Cloakedchaos› Oh.. Green Ronin.. that's why I couldn't find it
21/05/2008 03:26:43 ‹Mr Baron› so really no changes to what you have been telling us in chat?
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21/05/2008 03:26:59 ‹cappadocius› Man, I still wish they'd done a Yugoloth book instead of making me buy two books I already owned to get them.
21/05/2008 03:27:12 ‹James Jacobs› The Cheliax adventrue path I have brewing is pretty "classic D&D" type stuff. As a result... it makes more sense to do that one as AP5 and release it along side of the Pathfinder RPG at Gen Con 2009.
21/05/2008 03:27:14 ‹cappadocius› James: Is it set in Geb?
21/05/2008 03:27:24 ‹James Jacobs› Which means that AP4 will be a bit more exotic, which is pretty cool.
21/05/2008 03:27:30 ‹Cloakedchaos› If I'm running a dedicated Golarion Campaign for the forseeable future.. are there any other books I should look into besides the Pathfinder things.. and now Book of Fiends?
21/05/2008 03:27:33 ‹cappadocius› Geb is exotic!
21/05/2008 03:27:35 ‹Mothman› My guess AP4 = Expedition over the top of the world .
21/05/2008 03:27:46 ‹Mothman› Tian Xi
21/05/2008 03:27:48 ‹cappadocius› Nah, Ameiko's Story is AP7, at least.
21/05/2008 03:27:59 ‹Mothman› Hence Mike's excitement
21/05/2008 03:28:06 ‹cappadocius› Cloakedchaos: *Where* are you running in Golarion?
21/05/2008 03:28:20 ‹Cloakedchaos› Currently Varisia
21/05/2008 03:28:22 ‹lojakz› What I wanna know is when we're going to get to see some more giants?
21/05/2008 03:28:25 ‹James Jacobs› Cloaked> the main d20 books we use a lot are: Tome of Horrors (and its sequels, a little), and Advanced Bestairy. Book of Fiends and Plot and Poison get used a bit as well.
21/05/2008 03:28:34 ‹Eyebite› James> without spoiling too much, since the Chelaxians were in league with fiends, can we expect to see a fair number of devils in AP 4?
21/05/2008 03:28:35 ‹psymin› When Pathfinder RPG comes out in 2009, will the APs be using those rules?
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21/05/2008 03:28:52 ‹James Jacobs› lojakz> We kinda already did a LOT of giant stuff....
21/05/2008 03:29:02 ‹Cloakedchaos› Plot and Poison... plot and poison.. where have I heard that before..
21/05/2008 03:29:08 ‹Mulban› I'm out folks, have a good night
21/05/2008 03:29:11 ‹James Jacobs› That's Green Ronin's drow book.
21/05/2008 03:29:14 ‹cappadocius› Green Ronin, aga...
21/05/2008 03:29:15 ‹Mothman› Cappa - could be. I think a few weeks ago James suggested that the Tian Xi AP would not happen till AP6 or 7 ... but they may have decided to mix things up, what with PFRPG coming out
21/05/2008 03:29:16 ‹lojakz› lol I know James... but it's just I love the big guys so... i just can't get enough
21/05/2008 03:29:17 ‹cappadocius› darn it!
21/05/2008 03:29:22 ‹Blazej› Mulban, goodnight.
21/05/2008 03:29:22 ‹James Jacobs› I predict it'll get used a fair amount during Second Darkness.
21/05/2008 03:29:27 ‹Cloakedchaos› Wait... is that the book with double-weapon-dual-weapon fighting in it?
21/05/2008 03:29:29 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I need to find Plot and Poison. They got some use in PF #5. I had no idea that Dominatrix was a class.
21/05/2008 03:29:42 ‹cappadocius› Mothman: I'm tellin' ya! AP4 is going to be set in Geb!
21/05/2008 03:29:45 ‹Urza› Plots and Poison was a really good dark elf book
21/05/2008 03:29:49 ‹cappadocius› You notice Mr. Jacobs hasn't denied it!
21/05/2008 03:29:52 ‹Mr Baron› so can you give out any more clues as to what AP4 will be?
21/05/2008 03:30:01 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder will be using the PF RPG rules starting in August 2009, which = AP 5.
21/05/2008 03:30:04 ‹Mothman› Cappa: remind me which one is Geb (I've got the Gazetter on order....)
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21/05/2008 03:30:21 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I'm just letting you build a little steam before I say: AP4 isn't set in Geb.
21/05/2008 03:30:36 ‹cappadocius› AUGH!
21/05/2008 03:30:42 ‹cappadocius› Mothman: http://paizo.com/image/content...Map.jpg down near the legend.
21/05/2008 03:30:43 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 isn't set in Geb.
21/05/2008 03:30:53 * cappadocius is sad.
21/05/2008 03:30:58 ‹cappadocius› Is it set on that continent?
21/05/2008 03:31:01 ‹psymin› I heard a rumor that Pathfinder Society was going to use the Beta rules, I assume this is not true .. ?
21/05/2008 03:31:02 ‹James Jacobs› Yes.
21/05/2008 03:31:11 ‹cappadocius› YAY!
21/05/2008 03:31:13 ‹cappadocius› okay.
21/05/2008 03:31:16 ‹James Jacobs› The Pathfinder Society is not going to use the Beta Rules. As far as I know.
21/05/2008 03:31:19 ‹Blazej› He hasn't said that the AP will not [b]visit[/i] Geb.
21/05/2008 03:31:26 ‹Blazej› He hasn't said that the AP will not visit Geb.
21/05/2008 03:31:27 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, AP 4 - River Kingdoms?
21/05/2008 03:31:33 ‹cappadocius› Obviously, it's set in Nex.
21/05/2008 03:31:50 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Russ: Obama 60%! :headbang:
21/05/2008 03:32:02 ‹Paul› yeah
21/05/2008 03:32:02 ‹James Jacobs› SO! At this point, here's what AP4 is looking like... and remember... it's still VERY sketchy at this stage. We wont' be able to nail much down for a bit, since we're still hip deep in the Gen Con Panic.
21/05/2008 03:32:04 ‹Ross› cappadocius, are you just going to ask about all of them in order?
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21/05/2008 03:32:20 * Blazej waits with baited breath.
21/05/2008 03:32:25 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: I suspect that AP 4 will have the following 5 features...
21/05/2008 03:32:28 ‹cappadocius› Ross: No. I just want something set in Geb and/or Nex.
21/05/2008 03:32:32 ‹James Jacobs› 1: It will start out in the nation of Katapesh
03:32:46 ‹James Jacobs› 2: It will have at least one adventure set in Osirion
21/05/2008 03:32:59 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› :squee:
21/05/2008 03:33:02 ‹James Jacobs› 3: Gnolls will play a role in the first adventure, and maybe more later on.
21/05/2008 03:33:16 ‹Cloakedchaos› Woot! Gnollin' Dirty!
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21/05/2008 03:33:33 ‹Mothman› Of course, Osirion - that's been getting a lot of love
21/05/2008 03:33:43 ‹robert_hawk› lillith> are you americans expecting a brokered convention? or will one of them bow out early?
21/05/2008 03:33:44 ‹Mr Baron› when are you looking to officially announce AP4?
21/05/2008 03:33:45 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, awesome. I like gnolls. Especially with the Lamastu twist.
21/05/2008 03:33:56 ‹robert_hawk› wooo osirion! woo gnolls!
21/05/2008 03:33:57 ‹cappadocius› shh! He's still got two more secrets!
21/05/2008 03:33:57 ‹James Jacobs› 4: Nex will have some sort of involvement in the plot, but I'm not sure we'll actually be going into Nex
21/05/2008 03:34:08 ‹cappadocius› YAY NEX!
21/05/2008 03:34:11 ‹Ross› robert_hawk, it won't be brokered. There will be a majority by then.
21/05/2008 03:34:16 ‹James Jacobs› 5: There will be genies. Lots of them. As in, armies of them.
21/05/2008 03:34:29 ‹cappadocius› more outsiders.
21/05/2008 03:34:30 ‹cappadocius› *sigh*
21/05/2008 03:34:38 ‹Urza› oooh! i just saw a new commercial for Indy.. very exciting :)
21/05/2008 03:34:42 ‹James Jacobs› 6: (BONUS SECRET): There may be some sort of mass-combat stuff going on at some point...
21/05/2008 03:34:46 ‹lojakz› James> Ok, with that last one.. you've just made my month. Genies are better than giants any day
21/05/2008 03:34:54 ‹Paul› Ross you talking dems?
21/05/2008 03:35:01 ‹Ross› Paul, yes.
21/05/2008 03:35:03 ‹cappadocius› Genies are *lame* with PF Wish!
21/05/2008 03:35:04 ‹Blazej› Like ... Rise of the Runelords number of giants?
21/05/2008 03:35:10 ‹James Jacobs› Dunno yet.
21/05/2008 03:35:11 ‹Mothman› Cool. Genie invasion from Vudra, or do other places use genies too?
21/05/2008 03:35:13 ‹James Jacobs› But probably.
21/05/2008 03:35:21 ‹Ross› What was secret 5? I didn't receive it.
21/05/2008 03:35:23 ‹James Jacobs› Other places do indeed use genies.
21/05/2008 03:35:23 ‹cappadocius› Genies are Arabic, not Indian, Mothman.
21/05/2008 03:35:30 ‹lojakz› i've been wanting to see genies in Pathfinder because... well Al Qadim is my favorite setting... so you'll have my subscription through Pathfinder 4
21/05/2008 03:35:33 ‹Blazej› 5: There will be genies. Lots of them. As in, armies of them.
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21/05/2008 03:35:38 ‹cappadocius› They'd be coming from Qadira!
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21/05/2008 03:35:49 ‹Blazej› Jason!
21/05/2008 03:35:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› mass combat HELL YEAH
21/05/2008 03:35:49 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> True... but Vudra has a LOT of genie stuff going on there.
21/05/2008 03:35:58 ‹Blazej› Jason!
21/05/2008 03:36:02 ‹Ross› cappadocius, PF #3 says Vudra has genies too.
21/05/2008 03:36:04 ‹Mothman› Cappa: I'm well aware of that: But Vudra uses genies A LOT
21/05/2008 03:36:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey jason
21/05/2008 03:36:06 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hi there Everybody
21/05/2008 03:36:06 ‹cappadocius› But the Rakshasa! And the Asuras!
21/05/2008 03:36:13 ‹robert_hawk› that ap sounds like fun
21/05/2008 03:36:13 ‹James Jacobs› One of the things we do a fair amount is take a mythology, say, like Indian mythology, and then throw in something like genies to mix it up a bit.
21/05/2008 03:36:18 ‹cappadocius› Why do you need MORE outsiders?!
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21/05/2008 03:36:26 ‹James Jacobs› Becasue I like outsiders.
21/05/2008 03:36:26 * cappadocius shakes his fist at genies.
21/05/2008 03:36:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› How's everybody doing tonight?
21/05/2008 03:36:35 ‹Urza› why don't you need more outsiders? :)
21/05/2008 03:36:36 ‹James Jacobs› And because outsiders are the most interesting type of monsters.
21/05/2008 03:36:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› fine jason yourself
21/05/2008 03:36:42 ‹cappadocius› Rakshasa and Asuras!
21/05/2008 03:36:42 ‹Cloakedchaos› I have another quick question about Golarion in general.. does it use the normal planar cosmology?
21/05/2008 03:36:44 ‹Mothman› Hi Jason - hows things?
21/05/2008 03:36:44 ‹cappadocius› They're interesting!
21/05/2008 03:36:51 ‹cappadocius› Hello, Mr. Buhlman!
21/05/2008 03:36:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Tired... but good
21/05/2008 03:36:56 ‹lojakz› well James, you've made me very happy. I'm going to be pulling the Al Qadim stuff off the shelf and looking at it with some love.
21/05/2008 03:36:56 ‹cappadocius› CloakedChaos: Nope.
21/05/2008 03:37:05 ‹Wyvern› We are all waiting like junkies their dealer.
21/05/2008 03:37:10 ‹Sir Wulf› Is there any Pathfinder Society news for today?
21/05/2008 03:37:12 * cappadocius is excited about AP4 despite his complaining.
21/05/2008 03:37:16 ‹Cloakedchaos› Thanks, Cappadocius
21/05/2008 03:37:22 ‹Mothman› Jason, I heard a rumour that Alpha 3 is ready, or almost ready .... hence you tired but good?
21/05/2008 03:37:24 ‹James Jacobs› Golarion uses its own planar cosmology, but it's pretty similar to the Great Wheel in flavor and theme and personality and design philosophy.
21/05/2008 03:37:24 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wyvern> I will have a fix for you tomorrow...
21/05/2008 03:37:27 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› JasonBulmahn!!! :squee::excite:
21/05/2008 03:37:40 ‹cappadocius› CloakedChaos: Hm. James talked about it, oh, several months ago. I guess it never made it into a blog.
21/05/2008 03:37:41 * Lilith is doing a favor runs overs, glomps the Bull-man, gives him :beer: and :cookie:
21/05/2008 03:37:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Mothman> You are correct.. Alpha release 3 will go up sometime tomorrow...
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21/05/2008 03:38:01 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Buhlman: Did you see the thread about Negative Levels and Spellcasters?
21/05/2008 03:38:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Thanks Lilith... Delicious as always
21/05/2008 03:38:05 ‹Mothman› Jason: Nice work!
21/05/2008 03:38:10 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> I did
21/05/2008 03:38:19 ‹Ross› JasonBulmahn, please tell me you put in Death and Dying!
21/05/2008 03:38:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Hummm beer and cookies
21/05/2008 03:38:26 ‹cappadocius› What is your opinion on the matter?
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21/05/2008 03:38:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> I think that spellcasters should keep their spells...
21/05/2008 03:38:41 ‹cappadocius› I'm biased because of the author of the thread.
21/05/2008 03:38:42 ‹Wyvern› Are you guys selling print copies of Alpha 3? Or only starting with Betas?
21/05/2008 03:38:43 ‹James Jacobs› We'll have lots of info about our multiverse in the Hardcover book come August, in any event.
21/05/2008 03:38:49 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'm rather new to the scene here and at Paizo.. but I haven't fallen in love with a setting like this ever before. it's like an addiction
21/05/2008 03:38:52 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wyvern> Only the beta
21/05/2008 03:38:54 ‹Pygon› Jason - quickie question that has been bounced around here, some people have answered but I jsut want to ask the Mahn :) If you grapple someone successfully, do they have to break your grapple first before they can try any grapple maneuvers on you?
21/05/2008 03:39:04 ‹James Jacobs› The Beta is the only print copy we'll sell. And there's only gonna be one Beta release.
21/05/2008 03:39:05 ‹Hill Giant› JasonBulmahn: what about a penalty to spell DCs?
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21/05/2008 03:39:07 ‹lojakz› can't go wrong with beer and cookies... nice chocolate stout to wash the cookies down
21/05/2008 03:39:10 ‹Ross› JasonBulmahn, please tell me you put in Death and Dying!
21/05/2008 03:39:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pygon> You mean.. can they grapple you in return... hmm.. that is an odd one
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21/05/2008 03:39:37 * Ross apologizes if he is double posting, but he's losing some of his own posts, and wants to make sure they send.
21/05/2008 03:39:38 ‹Pygon› You grapple someone, and they pin you, or is some way turn it around
21/05/2008 03:39:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› I need to think on that one a bit
21/05/2008 03:39:56 ‹cappadocius› Cloakedchaos: I think Paizo's everything that was right about 3rd edition. If you like that flavor of D&D, you almost HAVE to love Pathfinder.
21/05/2008 03:39:59 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I dont see why they could not reverse it and grapple you
21/05/2008 03:40:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Claoked> glad to see we could be your pusher :-)
21/05/2008 03:40:06 ‹Blazej› Grapple the grappler. That reminds me of Star Trek fights for some reason.
21/05/2008 03:40:10 * Ross apologizes if he is double posting, but he's losing some of his own posts, and wants to make sure they send.
21/05/2008 03:40:17 ‹Fray› So... no Beta 1, 2, or 3 releases?
21/05/2008 03:40:23 ‹James Jacobs› Nope.
21/05/2008 03:40:27 ‹cappadocius› Reversing a grapple is something that happens *a lot* in real grappling.
21/05/2008 03:40:30 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> I hear the fight music right now...
21/05/2008 03:40:39 ‹Fray› Blazej, and mud wresting
21/05/2008 03:40:42 ‹Pygon› no rush, just thought it was worth asking since it was a point of confusion for some
21/05/2008 03:40:50 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Ross: Try hitting Ctrl-F5
21/05/2008 03:40:55 ‹Absinth› Good Morning, Paizonians!
21/05/2008 03:40:58 ‹lojakz› i'm going to be running the beta, (I hope i have a group by then) with Rune Lords, i'm pretty excited.
21/05/2008 03:40:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> No... just 1 Beta release... although there will probably be updates throughout the coming year
21/05/2008 03:41:07 ‹James Jacobs› Beta is it. We'll probably have a MUCH more organized way to report playtesting stuff, but for the most part, we want to spend about 9 months looking over the rules, the playtest stuff, and all that without having the rules change every 2 weeks.
21/05/2008 03:41:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cappadocius, thats way i dont have an issue with the taget doing just that
21/05/2008 03:41:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lojakz> Cool
21/05/2008 03:41:20 ‹Blazej› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ZXXpxY8
21/05/2008 03:41:23 * cappadocius nods at seeker.
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21/05/2008 03:41:47 ‹Urza› Jason, any hope for Arcane Bond getting some rewriting soon?
21/05/2008 03:41:49 ‹Fray› Thanks Jason
21/05/2008 03:41:50 ‹Cloakedchaos› cappadocius: If they put out the pathfinder setting without a single rule or stat, I'd still be in love with it.. I am head over heels in love with the world.. it makes me want to restart my mIRC freeform/quest based D&D game.. and try to get up to 50 players again.
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21/05/2008 03:42:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> Its gotten some clarification in release 3
21/05/2008 03:42:17 ‹Mothman› I think Ross quit...
21/05/2008 03:42:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cappadocius, We kinda been doiung it that way in our playtest
21/05/2008 03:42:22 ‹Urza› yay! :)
21/05/2008 03:42:43 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> Yup.. it is always masterwork.. and you cannot sell it
21/05/2008 03:42:45 ‹cappadocius› Cloakedchaos: Oh, I very well might be a subscriber for their low-crunch Chronicles stuff. I have to see more than one book for it, though. :)
21/05/2008 03:42:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› IIRC
21/05/2008 03:42:49 ‹Mr Baron› is release 3 this week or next week?
21/05/2008 03:42:56 ‹lojakz› James>i hope there's a bit more organization for reporting rules. i know you guys work yourselves to the bone, and i have no complaints, but the boards now are discouraging a bit (though they've mellowed out the last couple weeks).
21/05/2008 03:42:58 ‹cappadocius› Tomorrow, Mr. Baron
21/05/2008 03:43:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› Mr Baron> It will be coming out tomorrow
21/05/2008 03:43:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› JasonBulmahn, and word on the monk?
21/05/2008 03:43:08 ‹Mr Baron› excellent!
21/05/2008 03:43:11 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
21/05/2008 03:43:15 ‹Mr Baron› :)
21/05/2008 03:43:20 ‹Urza› wait.. it is masterwork or counts as masterwork? there be a +1 to hit difference :P
21/05/2008 03:43:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lojakz> The beta playtest will be more structured...
21/05/2008 03:43:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urze> It is masterwork
21/05/2008 03:43:43 ‹James Jacobs› lojakz> Yeah... the frenzy of the alpha is both awesome and frustrating to me.
21/05/2008 03:43:44 ‹Urza› ok :)
21/05/2008 03:43:46 ‹lojakz› awesome!
21/05/2008 03:43:53 ‹Cloakedchaos› At this point I want to raise an army of peasants with torches and pitchforks to destroy every dvd of the Movie "Pathfinder" for disgracing the name.
21/05/2008 03:43:59 ‹Wyvern› You need a bug system, like bugzilla.
21/05/2008 03:44:04 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
21/05/2008 03:44:06 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> What do you want to know... I will answer all questions here tonight..
21/05/2008 03:44:07 ‹Russ› Jason> can I be a beta tester please please please? :P
21/05/2008 03:44:12 ‹James Jacobs› You should go on a crusade against Nissan next!
21/05/2008 03:44:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Everyone can be
21/05/2008 03:44:28 ‹Mr Baron› when do we expect to see a Pathfinder MM?
21/05/2008 03:44:33 ‹Fray› We'll have to gather a collection for a massage for Jason when the Beta is released. :) To help you relax.
21/05/2008 03:44:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› It is just going to be a bit more structured in how we solicit feedback...
21/05/2008 03:44:44 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'll need to get up to that.. Cars have some wicked Hardness.. may need to invest in Adamantine Pitchforks
21/05/2008 03:44:50 ‹James Jacobs› A Pathfinder MM will hopefully come around pretty soon to the PF RPG.
21/05/2008 03:45:09 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Was thinking of atrting a new campian with the beat rules when I get em
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21/05/2008 03:45:09 ‹James Jacobs› AKA: Not for over a year.
21/05/2008 03:45:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Mr Baron> I am not quite ready to talk about that yet
21/05/2008 03:45:11 ‹Mr Baron› will it include stuff for ToH?
21/05/2008 03:45:12 ‹lojakz› James>I can believe it. I've never been a numbers man, and some ot the theory that is thrown around, while awesome, flies over my head at times. i'm glad they're are so many folks out there with the head fo
21/05/2008 03:48:46 ‹Urza› yes... i got a good 10 minute laugh out of that debate :)
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21/05/2008 03:48:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Ross, glad the internet is hateing someone else right now
21/05/2008 03:49:12 ‹Russ› I had some issues with 1d6 + 1/2 levels, I admit
21/05/2008 03:49:22 ‹Russ› I thought it was 1d6 + 1d6/2 levels
21/05/2008 03:49:37 ‹Russ› (I slightly prefer 1d6 points of damage + 1 point /2 levels, a few more words
21/05/2008 03:49:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› nope...
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21/05/2008 03:49:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› so jason we get any teasers on it?
21/05/2008 03:49:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› it is 1d6 (+1 per two levels)
21/05/2008 03:50:15 ‹Urza› and while i know the eyes are here... DO NOT make sneak attack a standard action :P
21/05/2008 03:50:19 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> What do you want to know.. tonight I hide nothing about release 3
21/05/2008 03:50:32 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urze> Do not worry about it
21/05/2008 03:50:40 ‹cappadocius› I think they'd have to be on something illegal for that, Urza.
21/05/2008 03:50:49 * Absinth changes his/her nickname to Absinth brewing coffee.
21/05/2008 03:50:54 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well starters monk and sorcerer
21/05/2008 03:51:12 ‹Ross› seekerofshadowlight, the worst part is when I miss answers to my own questions.
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21/05/2008 03:51:29 ‹Hill Giant› tell me about bards!
21/05/2008 03:51:37 ‹Cloakedchaos› Yes! Bards!
21/05/2008 03:51:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Ross, lol yeah thats bad
21/05/2008 03:51:48 ‹cappadocius› Monks!
21/05/2008 03:51:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep bards too
21/05/2008 03:51:54 ‹cappadocius› not bards! monks!
21/05/2008 03:52:04 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Monks.
21/05/2008 03:52:11 ‹Hill Giant› bards vs. monks!
21/05/2008 03:52:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well I have a monk player so monks are my chorce too
21/05/2008 03:52:22 ‹Ross› Not monks. KQ5 has to come out first.
21/05/2008 03:52:32 ‹lojakz› ok, i'll join in; monks...?
21/05/2008 03:52:41 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Monks get a wider variety of feats to choose from and a ki pool, which they can use on a number of different abilities (many of which they already had, but were codified to one system).. my favorite allows them to jump great distances...
21/05/2008 03:52:41 ‹Russ› Do tells about monks. Fighter BAB!
21/05/2008 03:52:47 ‹clight101› Tell me about bards
21/05/2008 03:53:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› Monks also get some bonuses on combat manuevers...
21/05/2008 03:53:10 ‹Paul› Lilith what are you using to track the numbers for the primary?
21/05/2008 03:53:12 ‹JasonBulmahn› No, they do not get a fighter BAB...
21/05/2008 03:53:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nice
21/05/2008 03:53:31 * Absinth brewing coffee. changes his/her nickname to Absinth
21/05/2008 03:53:50 ‹Russ› Did you add any new types of ki strikes beyond magic, lawful, adamantine?
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21/05/2008 03:53:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hmm.. I am beginning to wonder if I am seeing all the posts that pop up here.. it seems like I am only seeing some of them
21/05/2008 03:54:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› so the same with a few changes like the barbarian
21/05/2008 03:54:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> similar is some regards, but not really...
21/05/2008 03:54:29 ‹Russ› My playing with the barb makes me think they need more rage points.
21/05/2008 03:54:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› try ctrl and f5
21/05/2008 03:54:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› or refeshing
21/05/2008 03:54:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> You will be happy to know that I decreased all of the rage power costs
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21/05/2008 03:55:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nice thought the costs was a little high
21/05/2008 03:55:12 ‹Russ› yay
21/05/2008 03:55:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› used some barbarians on my players and it ran really well
21/05/2008 03:55:39 ‹lojakz› oh, happy day for the barbarian
21/05/2008 03:55:45 ‹Fray› Does the barbarian still get eldritch blast?
21/05/2008 03:55:49 ‹Fray› ;)
21/05/2008 03:55:54 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'm curious as to any more changes in the Paladin class.. it's hands down my favorite class.. and the Alpha 2 release I liked very much, made Paladins seem more like real heroes
21/05/2008 03:55:59 ‹Russ› the elemental damage rage?
21/05/2008 03:56:05 ‹Russ› I'd rather than one cost a feat :(
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21/05/2008 03:56:13 ‹Fray› Any changes to the bloodlines for the sorc?
21/05/2008 03:56:15 ‹David› used some barbarian on seeker's npc and it worked better :)
21/05/2008 03:56:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› alright.. I am back... I hope that helps
21/05/2008 03:56:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› If you asked it before this message.. I might not have seen it
21/05/2008 03:56:46 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'm curious as to any more changes in the Paladin class.. it's hands down my favorite class.. and the Alpha 2 release I liked very much, made Paladins seem more like real heroes
21/05/2008 03:56:49 ‹Fray› Any changes to the bloodlines for the sorc?
21/05/2008 03:56:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› it might it seems to help most time jason
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21/05/2008 03:57:44 ‹JasonBulmahn› Cloaked> The paladin got some reworking and codifying. A lot of his powers now draw off Lay On Hands, which can be used for more than just healing... he also gets to use his divine bond a bit more if it is a weapon
03:57:56 ‹Absinth› Huh?
21/05/2008 03:57:56 ‹Hill Giant› Absinth: From the ridiculous to the sublime...
21/05/2008 03:58:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› Cloaked> Hmm.. it must have eaten my message
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21/05/2008 03:58:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i see the paladin thing jason
21/05/2008 03:58:33 ‹Absinth› I can see it, Jason...
21/05/2008 03:58:38 ‹Russ› Aren't these things a bit close to the dreaded spell points? :)
21/05/2008 03:58:45 ‹JasonBulmahn› Weird
21/05/2008 03:58:50 ‹David› i see a paladin does lay on hands stuf
21/05/2008 03:58:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Nope
21/05/2008 03:58:57 ‹Urza› James... since Jason has stolen all your thunder...here's a question for you... anything new or exciting on the pathfinder fiction/novel front? :)
21/05/2008 03:59:06 ‹Absinth› Lucky me, the iNet curse switched to someone else...:)
21/05/2008 03:59:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Absinth, it likes to pick on everyone
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21/05/2008 03:59:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> Bloodlines got some extra work... they all now grant a class skill, bonus spells, and their powers have been givne an overhaul.. also, all sorcerers now get eschew materials for free at 1st level
21/05/2008 04:00:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Has James even posted lately.. I cannot see any posts by him
21/05/2008 04:00:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay
21/05/2008 04:00:23 ‹seekerofshadowlight› they really needed that
21/05/2008 04:00:33 ‹Urza› yay for new bloodlines
21/05/2008 04:00:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he hasn't posted in a bit no
21/05/2008 04:00:37 ‹Fray› Can sorcs use metamagic without the full round costs now?
21/05/2008 04:00:40 ‹Sir Wulf› Sounds good.
21/05/2008 04:00:40 ‹Urza› everyone has been asking you stuff :)
21/05/2008 04:00:58 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> No.. but I think I am going to lift the quicken ban in the Beta...
21/05/2008 04:00:59 ‹Fray› cool on the bloodline news!
21/05/2008 04:01:06 ‹Urza› i just hope the arcane bloodline retains it's 3E feel.. our arcane sorcerer really saved the day :)
21/05/2008 04:01:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› but the be far james got jumped eariler
21/05/2008 04:01:25 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> The big excitement lately on the fiction side, really, is that Elaine Cunningham's gonna write the Pathfinder Journal entries to go along with AP4.
21/05/2008 04:01:30 ‹Absinth› The room is performing awful tonight...
21/05/2008 04:01:34 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> It does.. I think
21/05/2008 04:01:42 ‹James Jacobs› I haven't posted lately. I was writing some art order stuff for Into the Darklands.
21/05/2008 04:01:43 ‹Fray› Jason> Could we get a feat to let them use metamagic normally?
21/05/2008 04:01:52 ‹Urza› awesome to both :)
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21/05/2008 04:02:03 ‹James Jacobs› Namely: The description of the drow high-priestess of Zura, demon queen of cannibals and vampires.
21/05/2008 04:02:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› I am only seeing posts from about a dozen folks: Urza, Fray, Seeker, Absinth, Wulf, Hill Giant, and Cloaked...
21/05/2008 04:02:18 ‹David› can we see it James?
21/05/2008 04:02:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› Roughly
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21/05/2008 04:02:30 ‹Urza› Fray.. it's called Arcane Preparation or something like that :)
21/05/2008 04:02:34 ‹cappadocius› Who is doing the art?
21/05/2008 04:02:35 ‹James Jacobs› See what ,David?
21/05/2008 04:02:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza is right
21/05/2008 04:02:41 ‹Eyebite› back - Jason, sounds like monks get a ki pool? Kind of like the ninja?
21/05/2008 04:02:48 ‹robert_hawk› I'm seeing about the same amount of people posting jason
21/05/2008 04:02:50 ‹Russ› Jason - Firefox or IE?
21/05/2008 04:02:55 ‹robert_hawk› lots of lurkers
21/05/2008 04:02:57 ‹David› the art order text
21/05/2008 04:03:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hmm... IE
21/05/2008 04:03:06 ‹lojakz› James>Zura= horribly awesome
21/05/2008 04:03:13 ‹Russ› James - Just don't recruit Rose Estes
21/05/2008 04:03:13 ‹Paul› fear my lurk!
21/05/2008 04:03:13 ‹Urza› i'm on firefox and not a lot of people are posting :)
21/05/2008 04:03:13 ‹James Jacobs› This is a no-background full-body illustration of a female drow. She should look haughty, proud, sexy, and regal. She wears dark metal skin-tight chainmail armor, with spiky shoulders and a long red cloak with black trim. Her long silver hair is braided into several long braids interwoven with red ribbons, with her bangs loose but held out of her eyes by a red crystal spiky head dress...
21/05/2008 04:03:24 ‹Russ› Firefox seems to lose posts less than IE
21/05/2008 04:03:26 * Fray is off to get his lady a milk shake
21/05/2008 04:03:27 ‹James Jacobs› She also wears several red silks and ribbons that hang down from her, looking almost as if they were blood running from her body. Her eyes are white; no pupils are visible. Her right hand wields a long thin-bladed sword with lots of small spikes around the sword’s hand guard, and on her other arm rests an exotic shield of black metal and red crystal that looks like reference given.
21/05/2008 04:03:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› IE hates this room jason
21/05/2008 04:03:43 ‹Fray› gnite y'all
21/05/2008 04:03:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya fray
21/05/2008 04:03:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Apparently
21/05/2008 04:04:07 ‹Urza› James.. sounds almost like my dream girl :P
21/05/2008 04:04:08 ‹David› JasonBulmahn, get opera :)
21/05/2008 04:04:10 ‹James Jacobs› Zura's probably gonna end up being one of the bigger/more popular demon lords in drow society.
21/05/2008 04:04:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› I have still as of yet, not seen a post by James.. this is starting to worry me
21/05/2008 04:04:26 ‹Eyebite› IE regularly gives me problems in here , . .
21/05/2008 04:04:28 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Jason any thing runs better then IE in here
21/05/2008 04:04:41 ‹Absinth› Wow, Zura sound's cool...
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21/05/2008 04:04:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› james is posting
21/05/2008 04:04:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› you cant see it it seems
21/05/2008 04:05:03 ‹robert_hawk› he just posted an art preview
21/05/2008 04:05:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› posting on zura
21/05/2008 04:05:08 ‹cappadocius› Do Drow worship any Daemons?
21/05/2008 04:05:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› long posts kinda
21/05/2008 04:05:16 ‹JasonBulmahn› I'll be back everybody... gonna try something different
21/05/2008 04:05:20 ‹James Jacobs› Jason!!!
21/05/2008 04:05:27 ‹James Jacobs› I'M RIGHT HERE!!!
21/05/2008 04:05:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ok jason
21/05/2008 04:05:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› james ya been hanging around your bugbears to much
21/05/2008 04:06:05 ‹James Jacobs› Drow could certainly worship daemons... but they'd be loners and heretics and not part of the overall drow society, really. Or if they were... they'd worship the daemon in secret.
21/05/2008 04:06:07 ‹Absinth› Seems like Jason's 6th sense doesn't work...
21/05/2008 04:06:15 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› JasonBulmahn, Ctrl-F5
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21/05/2008 04:06:33 ‹lojakz› maybe we all died, and jason is the only living one now
21/05/2008 04:06:51 ‹Urza› James... no secret calabs of goodish drow seeking to liberate other drow from demon worship right?
21/05/2008 04:06:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he tryed that lilith
21/05/2008 04:06:58 ‹lojakz› that would be inexplicable and suck... course, i won't have to go to work tomorrow
21/05/2008 04:07:01 ‹David› nah thats been done lojakz
21/05/2008 04:07:17 ‹Absinth› Hmm, being dead would explain why my cold doesn't get any better...
21/05/2008 04:07:21 ‹cappadocius› Just secret cabals of evil drow seeking to liberate other drow from demon worship, because daemon worship is more awesome, Urza.
21/05/2008 04:07:24 * cappadocius grins.
21/05/2008 04:07:29 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Nope. Eventually I'm sure there'll be good-aligned drow in Golarion... but 99.99999% of them will probably be Player Characters and not NPCs.
21/05/2008 04:07:59 ‹Russ› Noooo naked dancing good drow goddess, for the love of all that is holy
21/05/2008 04:08:06 ‹David› hmm that might be a good drow fingernail...
21/05/2008 04:08:24 ‹cappadocius› naked murderrapedeathkill evil drow Horseman!
21/05/2008 04:08:26 ‹Sir Wulf› Drow will have an automatic -4 penalty with any sort of curved blade: -8 if they use more than one...
21/05/2008 04:08:29 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› seekerofshadowlight, ah
21/05/2008 04:08:37 * seekerofshadowlight kinda like the naked danceing drow goddesses
21/05/2008 04:08:41 ‹James Jacobs› Naked dancing good drow goddesses will not appear in Golarion... despite the fact that Eilistraee IS my favorite FR deity.
21/05/2008 04:08:59 ‹Absinth› When will we see maps of Golarions's other continents like Arcadia, Casmaron and Sarusand?
21/05/2008 04:09:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what about naked danceing evil ones
21/05/2008 04:09:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› All I know is we need something naked and danceing
21/05/2008 04:09:34 ‹James Jacobs› There WILL be drow wielding scimiars here and there. Not 2 at once. But probably 1 + shield. Worshipers of Cyth-V'sug, the demon lord of Fungus and Parasites has scimitar-shaped claws or something...
21/05/2008 04:09:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› drunk also works
21/05/2008 04:09:38 * cappadocius likes the Jesus analogue in FR. Still hopes to find a GM who will let him play his evangelical kobold cleric of such.
21/05/2008 04:09:41 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> not for a long, long time.
21/05/2008 04:09:43 ‹Urza› good... while I enjoyed War of the Spider Queen.. i didn't like how... BIG... eilistraee's following seem to grow
21/05/2008 04:09:43 ‹lojakz› well, what's not to like about Naked Dancing Drow Goddess
21/05/2008 04:09:47 ‹David› as long as its not you seeker
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21/05/2008 04:10:10 ‹cappadocius› hi Mr. Buhlmahn!
21/05/2008 04:10:12 ‹James Jacobs› And anyway... Sarenrae's pretty much the Golarion Eilistraee stand-in as far as I'm concerned.
21/05/2008 04:10:21 ‹cappadocius› Oh, that Sarenrae.
21/05/2008 04:10:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› Ahh.. thats better
21/05/2008 04:10:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› That appears to be better.. maybe
21/05/2008 04:10:31 ‹Russ› Only a lot less silly.
21/05/2008 04:10:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that been a long time ago david i am not sure i can get that drunk and live now
21/05/2008 04:10:41 ‹JasonBulmahn› Its a bit more lag, but I can see all the posts
21/05/2008 04:10:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› wb jason
21/05/2008 04:10:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Safari works OK
21/05/2008 04:10:57 * cappadocius patiently awaits the Rovagug and Gozreh write-ups.
21/05/2008 04:11:11 ‹David› seekerofshadowlight, good
21/05/2008 04:11:28 ‹David› i still prefer opera
21/05/2008 04:11:37 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug and Gozreh will be a while.
21/05/2008 04:11:40 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe.
21/05/2008 04:11:51 ‹Russ› Too bad, I really like Rovagug
21/05/2008 04:11:55 ‹cappadocius› I figured as much. Hence my patience.
21/05/2008 04:11:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› I can see your posts James.. no hiding from me now
21/05/2008 04:11:56 ‹Paul› will the alpha 3 be a sep download? sorry if i missed this already being asked
21/05/2008 04:11:57 ‹Russ› Not so much on Gorum, he's too Crom
21/05/2008 04:12:01 ‹Urza› cappa... forget kobold cleric... it's all about Kobold PALADINS of a very rightous god :)
21/05/2008 04:12:02 ‹Joey Virtue› So ive been discnected like 10 times
21/05/2008 04:12:05 ‹James Jacobs› I was gonna do Asmodeus and Iomedae to go along with the Cheliax AP... but they'll now be put off until AP5.
21/05/2008 04:12:18 ‹Absinth› Why?
21/05/2008 04:12:23 ‹cappadocius› Paladins are too martial, Urza.
21/05/2008 04:12:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Paul> Nope, it will be the whole document again.. doing it as a separate download just was not possible
21/05/2008 04:12:32 ‹Urza› that's why it's funny :)
21/05/2008 04:12:32 ‹cappadocius› This is a kobold /pacifist/
21/05/2008 04:12:34 ‹James Jacobs› There's gonna be a lot of Rovagug in various products coming up. He's gonna be on the cover of Gods & Magic, in fact. Fighting Sarenrae.
21/05/2008 04:12:37 ‹Russ› Are there any kobold NPCs who AREN'T paladins?
21/05/2008 04:12:40 ‹Absinth› Did you change plans for AP 4?
21/05/2008 04:12:44 ‹James Jacobs› Plus more Rovagug stuff in Pathfinder 11.
21/05/2008 04:13:01 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes. Doing Cheliax for AP4 was never a done deal.
21/05/2008 04:13:10 ‹Russ› I thought he was locked up?
21/05/2008 04:13:16 ‹Joey Virtue› James & Jason what time will it be ready tomarrow?
21/05/2008 04:13:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> I am not sure
21/05/2008 04:13:27 ‹Urza› my dream paladin.. a kobold wielding a holy avenger that's good at shield slamming :)
21/05/2008 04:13:37 ‹James Jacobs› The Cheliax AP is pretty "vanilla D&D" really... and as a result, it's a great one to do as AP5 to support the release of the Pathfinder RPG.
21/05/2008 04:13:39 ‹Absinth› Yes, you said so. Will the Cheliax AP be AP 5 then or did you cancel it completely?
21/05/2008 04:13:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> Relatively early our time.. I think
21/05/2008 04:13:42 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 will be a bit more exotic.
21/05/2008 04:13:47 ‹James Jacobs› Cheliax will be AP5.
21/05/2008 04:13:50 ‹Sir Wulf› I was hoping to go back to naked dancing drow goddesses.
21/05/2008 04:14:01 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah im here in yur time im in california
21/05/2008 04:14:02 ‹Urza› no
21/05/2008 04:14:03 ‹cappadocius› AP4 is southern continent, Osirion, Kataphrax, and Nex.
21/05/2008 04:14:06 ‹Paul› ty
21/05/2008 04:14:08 ‹Urza› there's nogoing back to that
21/05/2008 04:14:22 ‹Absinth› Ahh, thanks...
21/05/2008 04:14:26 ‹Urza› spell plague has ensured the naked dancing drow goddess gets swatted down
21/05/2008 04:14:28 ‹David› when is early so i knoww how late i can get up and still post first again?
21/05/2008 04:14:41 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Rovagug is indeed locked up... but not too tight. He's starting to "leak" out; has been for a LONG time. THAT SAID: He was put in his prison a long time ago, by Sarenrae. And then Asmodeus locked him in there. And a few more deities helped too.
21/05/2008 04:14:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› David> I am not 100% sure.. and do not want to say a time in case we miss it
21/05/2008 04:15:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Rovagug Leaking.. ugg
21/05/2008 04:15:12 ‹David› how about an hour or two?
21/05/2008 04:15:20 ‹James Jacobs› Leakagug.
21/05/2008 04:15:20 ‹cappadocius› They couldn't handle how awesome Rovagug was.
21/05/2008 04:15:32 ‹cappadocius› They could smell what The Gug was cooking!
21/05/2008 04:15:33 ‹JasonBulmahn› David> Hopefully before noon.. that is about the best I can say
21/05/2008 04:15:48 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> I saw cloverfield.. I know what a leaky monster can do
21/05/2008 04:16:05 ‹Joey Virtue› before noon cool i can print it at wokr for free
21/05/2008 04:16:12 ‹cappadocius› But man, when he gets out and drops the Humanoids' Elbow on that stuck up Sarenrae...
21/05/2008 04:16:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> Good deal.. it is 162 pages.. I think
21/05/2008 04:16:34 ‹Blazej› Duct tape will fix that Rovagug problem quick.
21/05/2008 04:16:41 ‹Russ› Rovagug has a pretty strong Tharizdun riff, though not nearly as powerful
21/05/2008 04:16:43 ‹Urza› speaking of monsters and movies... does anyone else think the scene from king kong against the giant bugs would make for an awesome D&D encounter?
21/05/2008 04:16:53 ‹Sir Wulf› The Call of Rovagug has its adherents, I see.
21/05/2008 04:17:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> please respond to Urza... :-)
21/05/2008 04:17:05 ‹Joey Virtue› How many pages got changed im hoping on the color printer at home just to print out the new pages
21/05/2008 04:17:13 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure Rovagug has elbows, honestly...
21/05/2008 04:17:34 ‹cappadocius› The Humanoid's Tentacle?
21/05/2008 04:17:44 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug's certainly got a Tharizdun riff... but that's mostly because both he and Tharizdun have even stronger Lovecraft riffs.
21/05/2008 04:17:45 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> there were changes all over the document, but the biggest changes are in the classes chapter, the Running the Game chapter, and the new NPC and Ability score chapters
21/05/2008 04:17:54 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Yes.
21/05/2008 04:18:10 ‹Joey Virtue› ability score chapter?
21/05/2008 04:18:16 ‹Russ› Hmm. Not sure if he'd be there like that if not for Greyhawk.
21/05/2008 04:18:18 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> There were also about 7 or 8 spells added, but that is a small percentage of the whole chapter
21/05/2008 04:18:22 ‹Urza› i think jason wanted you to elaborate :)
21/05/2008 04:18:22 ‹James Jacobs› In fact, I put some of those encounters into Savage Tide. And got Ben Wootten, the guy who did a lot of the creature design for King Kong, to illustrate some of those bugs.
21/05/2008 04:18:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ability score chapter?
21/05/2008 04:18:36 ‹Urza› oh!
21/05/2008 04:18:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> Yup.. rules for generating ability scores.. nothing too flashy to be honest
21/05/2008 04:18:41 ‹Urza› yeah hehe
21/05/2008 04:18:49 ‹Sir Wulf› Rovagug is a bit too easy to pronounce. He needs a few consonants added.
21/05/2008 04:18:50 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Perhaps... perhaps not.
21/05/2008 04:18:59 ‹Joey Virtue› oh
21/05/2008 04:19:13 ‹Joey Virtue› ok i was worried
21/05/2008 04:19:19 ‹James Jacobs› There is, without a doubt, a LOT of Greyhawk inspiration in Golarion. It's hands-down my second favorite published campaign setting, after all! :)
21/05/2008 04:19:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> No need.. it is a pretty tame chapter
21/05/2008 04:19:29 ‹Russ› Woohoo :)
21/05/2008 04:19:32 ‹Urza› well good to hear i'm not the only one inspired by that scene :)
21/05/2008 04:19:37 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... there's lots of easy Lovecraft names. Yig!
21/05/2008 04:19:38 ‹Russ› I'd have to throw down if you said 3rd
21/05/2008 04:19:39 ‹Blazej› Rovagug to Rovagugj?
21/05/2008 04:19:43 * 'Genja quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:19:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› jason what did you decide to use for creater creation
21/05/2008 04:19:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yog-Sothoth!
21/05/2008 04:19:49 ‹cappadocius› Rovagug is fine!
21/05/2008 04:19:58 ‹cappadocius› In my mind, Rovagug LOOKS like a Gug.
21/05/2008 04:20:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> There are actually four options presented...
21/05/2008 04:20:07 ‹Russ› Just so long as he doesn't inherit the hawk trait of being behind EVERYTHING
21/05/2008 04:20:13 ‹cappadocius› Jason: Did you make NPC classes worth a crap?
21/05/2008 04:20:14 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug doesn't look like a gug... but he does have gugs working for him.
21/05/2008 04:20:21 ‹cappadocius› YAY!
21/05/2008 04:20:27 * cappadocius dances an evil little jig.
21/05/2008 04:20:27 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, did you get the picture of the King in Yellow that I sent to you?
21/05/2008 04:20:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> to be honest, I did not change a lot about the NPC classes themselves...
21/05/2008 04:20:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› 4d6 still in there?
21/05/2008 04:20:32 ‹Joey Virtue› is there going to be any pretige class stuff in the core book jason?
21/05/2008 04:20:42 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> They are supposed to be weak by comparison
21/05/2008 04:20:47 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Commoners now get the GLORIOUS SMASH ability at 4th level, for starters. ALSO: They have d20 HD.
21/05/2008 04:20:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Yup
21/05/2008 04:20:49 ‹Urza› second favorite? does that mean Kingdoms of Kalamar is your favorite James? *snickers*
21/05/2008 04:20:52 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> Nope
21/05/2008 04:20:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cool ok then
21/05/2008 04:21:01 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I did! Way cool!
21/05/2008 04:21:08 ‹cappadocius› JasonBulmahn: DANG. I just wanted there to be a chance I might *ever* see an Adept in an adventure.
21/05/2008 04:21:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what ya do about point buy however?
21/05/2008 04:21:14 ‹Joey Virtue› =(
21/05/2008 04:21:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Nice.. I nearly gave them an ability called "Beneath Contempt"
21/05/2008 04:21:36 ‹Russ› I use an adept in my first 3rd edition adventure
21/05/2008 04:21:39 ‹Paul› eric wouldve liked that
21/05/2008 04:21:48 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> Sorry.. but they are still not too bad
21/05/2008 04:21:53 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, Excellent! :cthulhu:
21/05/2008 04:22:01 ‹cappadocius› No, I *like* the NPC classes.
21/05/2008 04:22:05 ‹Russ› they get lightning bolt relatively low.
21/05/2008 04:22:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> There is a method of generation in there called "purchase"
21/05/2008 04:22:23 ‹seekerofshadowlight› was just wondering
21/05/2008 04:22:23 ‹cappadocius› but it's never a Goblin Adept, it's a Goblin Druid.
21/05/2008 04:22:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> then you will not be dissappointed
21/05/2008 04:22:36 ‹Joey Virtue› well we will still be rolling up our stats
21/05/2008 04:22:37 ‹cappadocius› The other NPC classes get the odd love, but Adepts.
21/05/2008 04:22:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› point buy is very common in pbp games
21/05/2008 04:22:39 ‹Joey Virtue› lol
21/05/2008 04:22:39 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Kalamar... <bleh> that one's probably not in the top 15 favorite settings, to be honest.
21/05/2008 04:22:45 ‹cappadocius› Seriously, I don't know why there are never adepts.
21/05/2008 04:22:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› A good chunk of the NPC chapter deals with a simple step by step method for generating NPCs
21/05/2008 04:22:48 ‹James Jacobs› (My favorite is Golarion of course!)
21/05/2008 04:22:50 ‹Urza› lol
21/05/2008 04:22:58 ‹Urza› i wasn't serious :)
21/05/2008 04:23:00 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Buhlmahn: YAY!
21/05/2008 04:23:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Aww... shucks
21/05/2008 04:23:04 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> There's an adept living in Sandpoint...
21/05/2008 04:23:25 ‹Urza› i know 1 person that likes that setting.. he was voted out of the DM position when he portaled us to that setting :)
21/05/2008 04:23:41 ‹Absinth› James, how are the chances on a second Classic Monsters Revisited book? I got mine last week and I really, really like it!
21/05/2008 04:23:44 ‹David› ha
21/05/2008 04:23:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› jason is it a faster method? the npc thing i mean
21/05/2008 04:23:47 ‹Blazej› The final step being: Cry as they are killed by the PCs (whether or not they were meant to be allied with them)
21/05/2008 04:23:48 ‹Joey Virtue› any major changes to the classes we have already seen jason?
21/05/2008 04:24:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> It streamlines the three trickiest parts.. or rather, gives you some easy guidelines for making them go faster.. that is skills, feats, and treasure
21/05/2008 04:24:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ok cool
21/05/2008 04:24:44 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> sorcerer bloodlines got a fair amount of work
21/05/2008 04:24:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats normly the parts that slow ya down
21/05/2008 04:24:55 ‹Joey Virtue› cool what about combat feats?
21/05/2008 04:25:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Yup.. the other bits are easy
21/05/2008 04:25:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› are there more combat feats
21/05/2008 04:25:09 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> Not yet.. but maybe for the beta
21/05/2008 04:25:13 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:25:13 ‹Blazej› Skills: They get them all, Feats: They have two attached to their legs, Treasure: They are broke.
21/05/2008 04:25:13 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:25:13 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:25:31 ‹Blazej› Done,
21/05/2008 04:25:33 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Nice.. that would make it quite a bit easier
21/05/2008 04:25:34 * Russ suspects we will see more monster books
21/05/2008 04:25:42 * cappadocius continues on down the Rovagug road, alone... Why can't I find a holy symbol of Rovagug.
21/05/2008 04:25:43 ‹James Jacobs› Let me see if I can name 15 settings I like more than Kalamar... Golarion, Greyhawk, Ravenloft, Planescape, Lankhmar, Al-Qadim, Forgotten Realms, Kara-tur, Rokugon, Spelljammer, Mystara, Red Steel, Jakandor, Midnight, Blackmoor, Masque of the Red Death, Ghostwalk, Dark Sun... yeah.
21/05/2008 04:25:43 ‹Joey Virtue› I just keep finding ways for NPCs to abuse like one of thouse feats
21/05/2008 04:25:58 ‹Blazej› :)
21/05/2008 04:26:04 ‹Urza› lol
21/05/2008 04:26:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Red Steel.. really.. cmon.. :-)
21/05/2008 04:26:13 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The chances of seeing another Classic Monsters style book = 100%. It's been VERY VERY popular.
21/05/2008 04:26:16 ‹clight101› Ptolus
21/05/2008 04:26:17 ‹lojakz› well, folks, i'm off.
21/05/2008 04:26:24 ‹Russ› Hmm. I like Kalamar more than lots of those.
21/05/2008 04:26:29 ‹clight101› Lankmar
21/05/2008 04:26:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite lojakz
21/05/2008 04:26:32 ‹Urza› how could you forget Ptolus :)
21/05/2008 04:26:34 ‹Russ› Jakandor, for example, is just awful.
21/05/2008 04:26:36 * lojakz quit
21/05/2008 04:26:38 * cappadocius notes that Al-Qadim and Kara-Tur are technically in the same setting as Forgotten Realms.
21/05/2008 04:26:39 ‹Blazej› lojakz, night.
21/05/2008 04:26:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Night Lojakz
21/05/2008 04:26:41 ‹clight101› for old school people
21/05/2008 04:26:44 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah kalamar was pretty crappy
21/05/2008 04:26:44 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> There's a holy symbol of Rovagug in the front inside page of the Gazetter.
21/05/2008 04:26:51 * Deussu joins Main
21/05/2008 04:26:54 ‹Russ› AQ is decidely NOT FR in feel.
21/05/2008 04:26:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› never played kalamar but like most of james posted settings
21/05/2008 04:26:59 ‹cappadocius› Well, dangit, I guess I have to buy it.
21/05/2008 04:27:00 ‹robert_hawk› Dark Legacies
21/05/2008 04:27:00 ‹Absinth› Night, Lojaks...
21/05/2008 04:27:06 ‹James Jacobs› Ptolus! That too!
21/05/2008 04:27:07 ‹Urza› it's a shame that Sean didn't get to do more with Ghostwalk!
21/05/2008 04:27:09 ‹Absinth› No, Lojakz...
21/05/2008 04:27:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› but on the same world
21/05/2008 04:27:21 ‹Urza› such potential when a party gets wiped :)
21/05/2008 04:27:25 ‹Deussu› Ah, people are here.
21/05/2008 04:27:27 ‹clight101› No love for Lankmar
21/05/2008 04:27:29 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs as well.
21/05/2008 04:27:36 ‹James Jacobs› Maztica's pretty neat too. And even though they're on Toril... they're different campaign settings.
21/05/2008 04:27:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hi Deussu
21/05/2008 04:27:45 ‹cappadocius› I *loved* Maztica.
21/05/2008 04:27:48 ‹Urza› bah!
21/05/2008 04:27:49 ‹James Jacobs› I like Kalamar better than Eberron though.
21/05/2008 04:27:50 ‹Deussu› Oo, Jason too. Hiyas.
21/05/2008 04:27:53 ‹JasonBulmahn› clight> I really like Lankmar
21/05/2008 04:27:57 ‹David› i liked ghostwalk
21/05/2008 04:27:58 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep diffent setting that one reson I always loved the realms
21/05/2008 04:28:04 ‹cappadocius› I eagerly anticipate adventures in the "New World" of Golarion. :)
21/05/2008 04:28:05 ‹David› and dark sun
21/05/2008 04:28:07 ‹Russ› Kalamar is seriously generic fantasy.
21/05/2008 04:28:10 ‹Urza› Maztica and Kara-Tur... if TSR wanted those settings so bad.. there's no reason they had to get attached to the FR line
21/05/2008 04:28:13 * JasonBulmahn says as he looks at the Sword Masters book he is currently half way through
21/05/2008 04:28:20 ‹clight101› That's the reason I like CotCT so much because it's all about urban adventure
21/05/2008 04:28:23 ‹cappadocius› Eberron is so much better than Kalamar.
21/05/2008 04:28:25 ‹Urza› lol
21/05/2008 04:28:25 ‹Russ› Kara-Tur got stapled to FR.
21/05/2008 04:28:37 ‹clight101› Lankmar was one of the first settings I laid eyes on
21/05/2008 04:28:45 ‹JasonBulmahn› Good deal..
21/05/2008 04:28:46 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, don't let Keith hear you say that :)
21/05/2008 04:28:47 ‹Russ› Heh, I see Eberron didn't make JJ's list
21/05/2008 04:29:00 ‹Sir Wulf› Arcanis had its moments.
21/05/2008 04:29:03 ‹cappadocius› Nobody's perfect, Russ.
21/05/2008 04:29:15 ‹Russ› I like Spawn of Fashan more than Eberron
21/05/2008 04:29:21 * cappadocius wishes more people would put Nyambe on their Top Ten lists.
21/05/2008 04:29:35 ‹clight101› I'm a little Surprised Dragon Lance didn't make the list
21/05/2008 04:29:36 ‹cappadocius› Spawn of Fashan doesn't really HAVE a setting.
21/05/2008 04:29:38 ‹Russ› I like D&D Diablo better than Eberron.
21/05/2008 04:29:39 ‹James Jacobs› Nyambe! That one's cool too! I'd put that on my pre-Kalamar list.
21/05/2008 04:29:40 ‹Urza› but to be honest... if i had to choose between Kalamar and Eberron... i'd choose playing WoW until the next campaign setting.. so yeah
21/05/2008 04:29:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I like eberron but its a very diffent vib then most settings
21/05/2008 04:29:47 ‹Sir Wulf› Nor does it need one.
21/05/2008 04:29:51 ‹Deussu› I'm still waiting for my own introduction to Golarion. I'm waiting for the DM to start running them, but he waits for Pathfinder RPG beta to come out.
21/05/2008 04:29:57 ‹Russ› DL is better than Eberron...not better than Kalamar
21/05/2008 04:30:00 ‹cappadocius› I *looooove* Eberron.
21/05/2008 04:30:13 * David quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:30:14 * David quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:30:16 ‹cappadocius› Which is *probably* why I'm *always* in the minority when discussing upcoming Paizo product ideas.
21/05/2008 04:30:21 ‹Urza› DL as a campaign setting to play in never interested me
21/05/2008 04:30:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› I like Eberron too.. well.. some parts of it anyway.. Xen'drik is awesome... :-)
21/05/2008 04:30:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that it is jason
21/05/2008 04:30:51 ‹Urza› i like the novels.. but i just didn't want to play in the evidents of the novels..
21/05/2008 04:30:56 * Crimson Jester joins Main
21/05/2008 04:31:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Ilike the pulp feel of eberron
21/05/2008 04:31:00 ‹Deussu› Funny, Xen'Drik never felt like a great place to me.
21/05/2008 04:31:06 ‹Urza› evidents... events
21/05/2008 04:31:18 ‹Deussu› Sure, it's full of plothooks and untouched wilderness and giants and drow (to kill).
21/05/2008 04:31:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› To me... DL suffers the same problem as Star Wars... the characters from the novels are the main protagonists of the world... it is hard to compete.. and the urge to throw in lame cameos is too high
21/05/2008 04:31:30 ‹Urza› oye.. random word insertion.. getting past my rapid fire typing retirement time
21/05/2008 04:31:31 ‹Russ› I dislike magitech, so Eberron is ick to me
21/05/2008 04:31:44 ‹Joey Virtue› So when will you guys have the set schedule for Origins i saw one seminar with you jason and one with nick so the rest of the time are you guys on the flor
21/05/2008 04:31:52 ‹James Jacobs› To me: Eberron is kinda like D&D that got imported into this world from the Mirror Universe. If D&D could grow facial hair, Eberron would have a goatee.
21/05/2008 04:31:57 ‹Fray› What Sword Masters book? ooooo!
21/05/2008 04:32:01 ‹Urza› PFFFFT
21/05/2008 04:32:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i tend to make the magitech go more stream punky
21/05/2008 04:32:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> We will be spending most of our time at Origins on the floor...
21/05/2008 04:32:08 ‹clight101› Agreed but it still is better than Kalamar just because you can adventure in those famous places, especially if you have the origonal moduals
21/05/2008 04:32:19 ‹Urza› as someone that played D6 star wars for 4 years before playing AD&D for the first time
21/05/2008 04:32:24 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs: You say that like it's a *bad* thing.
21/05/2008 04:32:26 ‹Urza› i can say i never had that problem Jason
21/05/2008 04:32:28 ‹Joey Virtue› sweet when im not playing at the vs tournys ill be there
21/05/2008 04:32:34 ‹Fray› Jason> wha... passed out at Origins... again!?!?
21/05/2008 04:32:36 ‹Deussu› Eberron takes a step closer to steampunk, yes, that's true. Maybe it's a reason I particularly like it.
21/05/2008 04:32:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> It is a Leiber collection of Fafhrd and Gray Mouster books
21/05/2008 04:32:55 * Lilith is doing a favor has 100 pages left to go... O.o
21/05/2008 04:32:54 ‹Joey Virtue› D6 star wars the only star wars game
21/05/2008 04:33:11 ‹Urza› hell yeah Joey
21/05/2008 04:33:18 ‹Crimson Jester› swords agianst deviltry
21/05/2008 04:33:21 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> that you are better than me... I have always had the problem... or maybe I just had some lousy GMs.. hmm
21/05/2008 04:33:29 ‹Russ› I don't see as being Steampunky...magictech is different, and a lot lamer for me.
21/05/2008 04:33:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> Probably... :-)
21/05/2008 04:33:45 ‹Joey Virtue› no thats always a problem thats why u play in a differnt era
21/05/2008 04:33:53 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Russ, all in how ya do the fluff
21/05/2008 04:33:53 ‹cappadocius› Magitech is the logical conclusion to magic at the level D&D posits.
21/05/2008 04:33:56 ‹Deussu› Russ: I meant merely a step towards steampunk, but not like it.
21/05/2008 04:34:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> That seems reasonable
21/05/2008 04:34:08 ‹cappadocius› the only way NOT to get magitech is if everyone in the world is a little... slow.
21/05/2008 04:34:25 ‹Joey Virtue› it is a great system they really screwed the pootch when they d20ed it
21/05/2008 04:34:28 ‹Russ› Or if there's just not that many spellcasters walking around.
21/05/2008 04:34:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I use reapeter crossbows as being common
21/05/2008 04:34:40 ‹Russ› The existence of magic doesn't imply magic-power railroads.
21/05/2008 04:34:42 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright.. we are heading off into left field I think...
21/05/2008 04:34:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its not spellcaster
21/05/2008 04:34:47 ‹Sir Wulf› A bad DM (or one who just dislikes the seting) can make even the best setting suffer.
21/05/2008 04:34:50 ‹Paul› lol
21/05/2008 04:34:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› magewrights
21/05/2008 04:34:59 ‹clight101› I was thinking the bleachers Jason
21/05/2008 04:35:03 ‹Urza› i find it said sometimes when i look at my d6 star wars collection.. and my AD&D realms collection... and then look across the room at my 3.5/d20 stuff and realize just how little wizards put out.. and how much more expensive it cost in the same period of time
21/05/2008 04:35:06 ‹Crimson Jester› Eberron is like a lot of worlds some things rock, Good Berry Wine, some things don't Lightning rails
21/05/2008 04:35:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› Clight> Nice
21/05/2008 04:35:10 ‹Urza› said = sad
21/05/2008 04:35:15 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Sir Wulf, agreed! And the reverse is true.
21/05/2008 04:35:18 ‹cappadocius› Russ, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.
21/05/2008 04:35:21 ‹Deussu› Russ: I can understand why you dislike the magic railroad, but I find it a "funny twist".
21/05/2008 04:35:25 ‹Russ› WotC stuff is seriously expensive. Look at H1 vs. Pathfinder.
21/05/2008 04:35:39 ‹cappadocius› H1 boo.
21/05/2008 04:35:41 ‹Deussu› H1? Keep on the Shadowfell?
21/05/2008 04:35:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› loved the lighting rail adventure in dragon
21/05/2008 04:35:56 ‹Urza› and the big selling point of H1 you already own if you bought the 3.5 adventures!
21/05/2008 04:36:02 ‹cappadocius› Man, I wish we could incorporate a Mr. Shouty-Man class into PFRPG.
21/05/2008 04:36:07 ‹Fray› I can kill any setting just like that :snap!:
21/05/2008 04:36:09 ‹clight101› It does beg the question of what is D&D?
21/05/2008 04:36:11 ‹James Jacobs› GAH! NO!!! :( Adventures were in DUNGEON! <cries>
21/05/2008 04:36:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that was just a damn fun one to run
21/05/2008 04:36:16 ‹Urza› i can't believe wizards recycled map posters from their old adventures
21/05/2008 04:36:30 ‹Fray› you can't??
21/05/2008 04:36:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> I found that dissappointing as well
21/05/2008 04:36:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oops
21/05/2008 04:36:35 ‹Fray› really?
21/05/2008 04:36:36 ‹Paul› for 30 as well
21/05/2008 04:36:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› said wrong name
21/05/2008 04:36:46 ‹Fray› it's cheaper than getting new ones...
21/05/2008 04:36:46 ‹James Jacobs› How much is H1?
21/05/2008 04:36:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› 30 bucks
21/05/2008 04:36:58 ‹clight101› $30
21/05/2008 04:37:01 ‹Fray› $500!
21/05/2008 04:37:04 ‹James Jacobs› ...
21/05/2008 04:37:05 ‹James Jacobs› wow.
21/05/2008 04:37:09 ‹Deussu› Your soul!
21/05/2008 04:37:10 ‹James Jacobs› Really?
21/05/2008 04:37:13 ‹Fray› dam! I was close....
21/05/2008 04:37:14 ‹clight101› and the production quality isn't even close to you guys
21/05/2008 04:37:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> You got ripped off
21/05/2008 04:37:15 ‹Urza› yeap
21/05/2008 04:37:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and it reuses maps
21/05/2008 04:37:18 ‹Deussu› Yeha, people confirm.
21/05/2008 04:37:21 ‹Paul› yes
21/05/2008 04:37:23 ‹Deussu› All places say "30 bucks"
21/05/2008 04:37:27 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm.
21/05/2008 04:37:34 ‹Fray› It's the dollar... it ain't what it used to be...
21/05/2008 04:37:40 ‹Urza› $30 and you get 4 poster maps from fantastic locations line
21/05/2008 04:37:49 ‹clight101› They didn't even use that glossy paper for the insides
21/05/2008 04:37:51 ‹Russ› Yep, I've known about the reused maps since the playtest
21/05/2008 04:37:53 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm waiting for it to go down to $20 before I buy.
21/05/2008 04:37:54 ‹Deussu› And what I've heard from the playtesters, the adventure is bullocks.
21/05/2008 04:37:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah if ya have them you got jiped
21/05/2008 04:38:02 ‹Russ› And it's what, 92 pages?
21/05/2008 04:38:03 ‹cappadocius› whoa, whoa.
21/05/2008 04:38:07 ‹cappadocius› 30 bucks for an ADVENTURE?
21/05/2008 04:38:09 ‹Paul› they better use higher quality on the core books
21/05/2008 04:38:14 ‹Sir Wulf› Maybe $10
21/05/2008 04:38:19 ‹Deussu› cappa: a BAD adventure.
21/05/2008 04:38:25 ‹Urza› yeap
21/05/2008 04:38:27 ‹Fray› $30, it is 96 pages...
21/05/2008 04:38:30 ‹Deussu› Well, if you like monotonous hack n' slash ...
21/05/2008 04:38:34 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright.. lets move on folks...
21/05/2008 04:38:34 ‹Urza› we finished the adventure in 3 hours
21/05/2008 04:38:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› how many here have played it?
21/05/2008 04:38:40 * Fray will wait until it is $4 to buy it...
21/05/2008 04:38:40 ‹Paul› lol sorry
21/05/2008 04:38:41 ‹Russ› looooots of combat, indeed
21/05/2008 04:38:43 ‹Sir Wulf› With four recycled maps...
21/05/2008 04:38:47 ‹Urza› probably would have taken longer if i wasn't the only one familiar with the rules
21/05/2008 04:38:48 * Russ has run it
21/05/2008 04:38:49 ‹clight101› Yeah, I bought it and it's pretty not good. It's pretty vanilla 1st level adventure type stuff
21/05/2008 04:38:50 * Fray move on
21/05/2008 04:38:57 ‹Deussu› JasonBulmahn: Sure, where to?
21/05/2008 04:38:58 * Fray moves on
21/05/2008 04:38:59 ‹Blazej› Moving on.
21/05/2008 04:39:06 ‹Blazej› Uhh.
21/05/2008 04:39:07 * David quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:39:07 * David quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:39:08 ‹Blazej› Uhh.
21/05/2008 04:39:08 * David quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:39:14 ‹Hill Giant› Enough WotC-bashing - Jason, tell us about bards!
21/05/2008 04:39:17 ‹Blazej› Must find tangent.
21/05/2008 04:39:19 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> Anywhere you want to go.
21/05/2008 04:39:24 ‹Fray› JasonBulmahn> do Sorcs still get a choice of feats for the bloodlines?
21/05/2008 04:39:26 ‹clight101› Bards, I want to know
21/05/2008 04:39:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› Well.. not anywhere I guess
21/05/2008 04:39:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and james sorry about the name thing ....
21/05/2008 04:39:33 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> Yes
21/05/2008 04:39:34 ‹Deussu› Bards, yeah.
21/05/2008 04:39:42 ‹Sir Wulf› G'mon guys. A mysterious haunted keep near a village? Where have you ever seen that before?
21/05/2008 04:39:45 ‹JasonBulmahn› Bards: bards get more choices of bardic music...
21/05/2008 04:39:49 ‹Urza› hey.. i'm not bashing WOTC.. if WOTC didn't buy TSR.. who knows who would have :)
21/05/2008 04:39:52 ‹Russ› T1!
21/05/2008 04:39:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Some depending on their perform skills
21/05/2008 04:40:01 ‹James Jacobs› S'okay! I just get sad when the more popular, more handsome Dragon struts around and gets the attention! :)
21/05/2008 04:40:14 ‹Fray› JasonBulmahn> If they are metamagic feats do they still take longer? or are the bloodline ones faster?
21/05/2008 04:40:16 ‹JasonBulmahn› Bards also get a bonus to all knowledge skills.. and some free ranks in one skill of their choice
04:40:24 ‹cappadocius› I never bought Dungeon because for years I didn't have a game!
21/05/2008 04:40:25 ‹Sir Wulf› I preferred Dungeon, actually.
21/05/2008 04:40:28 ‹Russ› Plz to be getting rid of full-round metamagic
21/05/2008 04:40:38 ‹Deussu› Hm, is Bard then going to be the skill monkey from now on?
21/05/2008 04:40:42 ‹Crimson Jester› http://www.wizards.com/default...7187400
21/05/2008 04:40:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I didn't start to get into dungon intill STAP
21/05/2008 04:40:51 ‹Russ› Hey, there's some feedback - I don't think free skills with the headbands work well.
21/05/2008 04:40:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> No more than they were
21/05/2008 04:40:55 ‹Hill Giant› JasonBulmahn, does that replace bardic knowledge?
21/05/2008 04:40:56 ‹Deussu› Despite presumably lower skill point amount, hm..
21/05/2008 04:40:57 * Sir Wulf goes for the +2 morale bonus.
21/05/2008 04:41:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> why is that
21/05/2008 04:41:08 ‹Deussu› That hasn't changed, okay.
21/05/2008 04:41:10 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hill> Yes
21/05/2008 04:41:11 ‹Blazej› Panicking, must think of question... resorting to anime references. JasonBulmahn, will monks be able to kill multiple people per day with quivering palm like abilites?
21/05/2008 04:41:31 ‹Fray› The sorc would be fine if he could metamagic like the wizard...
21/05/2008 04:41:31 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Oh and did you stick with 2 skill per level with the classes jason
21/05/2008 04:41:33 ‹Russ› Winds up being odd, and more records to keep for one class of stat booster.
21/05/2008 04:41:37 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Hmm.. I forget if I changed that one actually
21/05/2008 04:41:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› just wondering
21/05/2008 04:41:46 * cappadocius regrets showing his players the map of Golarion as now he's got demands to go the Realms of the Mammoth Lords.
21/05/2008 04:41:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Yes.. backwards compatability
21/05/2008 04:41:53 ‹Blazej› Hmm.
21/05/2008 04:41:57 ‹Russ› You wind up making your headband help you in a skill youdon't have - how'd you boost it again? :)
21/05/2008 04:42:01 ‹Fray› JasonBulmahn> If they are metamagic feats do they still take longer? or are the bloodline ones faster?
21/05/2008 04:42:05 ‹seekerofshadowlight› oh well
21/05/2008 04:42:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I always hated that one rule
21/05/2008 04:42:31 ‹Joey Virtue› When will we know the schedule for PRPG after next august
21/05/2008 04:42:43 ‹Joey Virtue› are we getting a nice DM screen?
21/05/2008 04:42:46 ‹Crimson Jester› id liek an increase in skill points for all classes, but oh well
21/05/2008 04:42:49 ‹Deussu› I could argue about the backwards compatibility, but I refrain. Addition doesn't hurt whereas removing would.
21/05/2008 04:42:57 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> You can put ranks in the skill, but they do not overlap.. you take only the higher total.... since Int now gives retroactive skill points.. it was the only way to make this work aside from letting the wearer spend extra virtual skill points anytime he took it off and put it back on
21/05/2008 04:43:01 ‹Russ› You're sort of getting one with skill condensation.
21/05/2008 04:43:07 ‹Deussu› Which brings one issue to my mind. The rogue lost "Sense Motive" as a class skill.
21/05/2008 04:43:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I just though 2 was never neff for anyone but the wizard
21/05/2008 04:43:12 ‹Russ› Although please make an athletics skill!
21/05/2008 04:43:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> Metamagic feats still increase casting time
21/05/2008 04:43:23 ‹Urza› James or Jason.. think there will ever be a softcover version of the Pathfinder RPG? I can't begin to tell you how much i love my softcover PHB from the Player's Kit over the hardcover
21/05/2008 04:43:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> No on the athletics front
21/05/2008 04:43:32 ‹Deussu› Not a single Fighter skill was condensed, thus they have no plus or minus from the issue.
21/05/2008 04:43:35 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Dunno yet.
21/05/2008 04:43:37 ‹Russ› Jason> How about letting someone declare the skills they get from a headband, but not be able to change them?
21/05/2008 04:43:41 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> The beta is softcover
21/05/2008 04:43:49 ‹Blazej› Spontaneous casters would like some Quicken love.
21/05/2008 04:43:54 ‹James Jacobs› We're still well over a year away from making final decisions regarding the final RPG stuff.
21/05/2008 04:43:54 ‹Blazej› Although...
21/05/2008 04:44:01 ‹Russ› Climb winds up being a seriously crap skill in PFRPG.
21/05/2008 04:44:02 ‹James Jacobs› OOH! Yeah... spontaneous quicken love!
21/05/2008 04:44:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> That seems arbitrary and hard to track.. what if they switch headbands
21/05/2008 04:44:08 ‹Blazej› Now that I think about how I said that.
21/05/2008 04:44:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> sorry you feel that way
21/05/2008 04:44:18 ‹Wyvern› Do barbarians still have rage points?
21/05/2008 04:44:19 ‹Blazej› They might prefer Extend love.
21/05/2008 04:44:28 * Wyvern is not a fan of points in general.
21/05/2008 04:44:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wyvern> Yes
21/05/2008 04:44:30 ‹Urza› Blazej.. if they take Arcane Preparation they can get meta magic love
21/05/2008 04:44:31 ‹Russ› If they switch headbands, they still get the same skill from the new one.
21/05/2008 04:44:39 ‹Hill Giant› What have you done to ranger combat styles?
21/05/2008 04:44:43 ‹Wyvern› I like options but not point counting.
21/05/2008 04:44:49 ‹Russ› That way, you don't wind up with 2^15 types of headbands of intellect
21/05/2008 04:44:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> What if the new headband gives a higher int?
21/05/2008 04:44:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I like the points
21/05/2008 04:44:58 ‹Fray› Can we make Jump back to the 3.0 version?
21/05/2008 04:45:06 ‹Crimson Jester› what Hillgiant said.
21/05/2008 04:45:08 ‹Blazej› Urza, I am actually fine with that ability. But I think that it shouldn't take a feat to be able to do it.
21/05/2008 04:45:12 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wyvern> I really figured the barbarian bit was ok.. it is not like they have really anything else to keep track off..
21/05/2008 04:45:13 ‹Russ› If it is higher, you'd pick your 2nd or 3rd skill to get boosted
21/05/2008 04:45:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› of what fray
21/05/2008 04:45:30 ‹Russ› (3rd being the limit, since they only go up to +6)
21/05/2008 04:45:42 ‹Fray› seekerofshadowlight> 3.0 version of Jump skill
21/05/2008 04:45:43 ‹Deussu› Heh, I feel so pooped since I made a huge research on the skill point issue and it got ignored by all. :P
21/05/2008 04:45:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> This was the same logic I used to get to where I got... but instead of making it open ended, it became a set choice, just to keep things simple
21/05/2008 04:45:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats what I use
21/05/2008 04:45:57 ‹Joey Virtue› why not just add skill ranks to the item when yu make them
21/05/2008 04:45:59 ‹Blazej› Urza, I just thought that they should get that feat for free. Preparting is already a significant cost on the spontanoes casters...
21/05/2008 04:46:10 ‹Blazej› Preparing*
21/05/2008 04:46:18 ‹Urza› that's the balance
21/05/2008 04:46:34 ‹Urza› you get to cast your stuff like monkeys, but i get to know everything
21/05/2008 04:46:35 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Instead of having one headband and passing it around the party whenever you need certain skills because everyone has picked different skills with the headband
21/05/2008 04:46:47 ‹Russ› I do agree clerics don't get enough skill points
21/05/2008 04:46:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Fray, I mostly still use 3.0
21/05/2008 04:46:57 * Samwise quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:47:08 ‹Russ› Well, I'd insist on the 24 hour thing to get the skill boost if it were up to me
21/05/2008 04:47:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what about the poor fighters skill points
21/05/2008 04:47:20 ‹Blazej› Yeah, but do you think being able to take a feat to prepare the spells you can cast spontanously is reasonable?
21/05/2008 04:47:29 ‹Deussu› Backwards compatibility or not, changes with the skills will have to be made whatever the reason. A rogue especially will have a huge load of work ahead of her doing the skill point system from start. In the same time it is easily possible to change skill point amounts.
21/05/2008 04:47:37 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Me too... which is in the rules, but it still leaves the door open to weird abuse
21/05/2008 04:47:41 * Fray quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:47:56 ‹Russ› Fighters aren't supposed to be educated, clerics are
21/05/2008 04:48:02 ‹Urza› Blazek, in order to get around the limitation of meta magic for spontanous casters.. yes
21/05/2008 04:48:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> True.. but adding more points is quite a bit more work than just shuffling around the few that were put into combined skills..
21/05/2008 04:48:11 ‹Deussu› Russ: Skilled doesn't mean educated.
21/05/2008 04:48:11 ‹seekerofshadowlight› but 2 thing??
21/05/2008 04:48:11 ‹Blazej› ACK!!!
21/05/2008 04:48:16 ‹Blazej› BLAZEK!
21/05/2008 04:48:17 ‹clight101› I forgot about the Ranger. Jason. What is up with the ranger. How are the combat styles defined? Did you add more combat styles? I think a polearm style would be kinda neat. It seems like you could do a lot more with them with the advent of Combat Feats
21/05/2008 04:48:21 ‹Russ› I have to admit, I'd like to see 4 sp being the lowest myself
21/05/2008 04:48:23 ‹Urza› sorry
21/05/2008 04:48:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› I know it is tough for the rogue.. but I do not want to make it tough for everybody.. and the GM
21/05/2008 04:48:36 * Russ is curious what fantasy archetype ranger is skilled in polearms
21/05/2008 04:48:58 ‹Blazej› Urza, it's not a big problem with the misspelling. I find it a little funny.
21/05/2008 04:48:58 ‹Urza› i don't have formal typing skills... 12 years of coming up with my own style.. sometimes my fingers don't find my made up home keys ;)
21/05/2008 04:49:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› Clight> I did not add new styles to the Alpha.. but I have left the door open for adding new styles. The styles are now quite a bit more open in your choices...
21/05/2008 04:49:09 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: Little John?
21/05/2008 04:49:09 ‹Deussu› JasonBulmahn: Quite so. Though everyone else except the Fighter gains more skills, which I find a bit, well, fighter-bashing.
21/05/2008 04:49:24 ‹Russ› Little John ain't no ranger.
21/05/2008 04:49:36 ‹Russ› That be a bubba-class fighter.
21/05/2008 04:49:40 ‹James Jacobs› Rangers who are skilled with pole arms are fighters.
21/05/2008 04:49:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Deussu, I'm with ya there
21/05/2008 04:49:47 ‹Blazej› I'm Joshua Blazej. When I went to college they thought another student's application was me send a misspelled form. His name was Joshua Blazek.
21/05/2008 04:49:49 ‹Deussu› And in the playtest a player issued a problem about sorcerer's skills. There were too few class skills for a sorcerer, at least he felt like it.
21/05/2008 04:49:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> I am not sure that is true, everyones number of skill points remained the same
21/05/2008 04:50:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> Well.. taking into account the class skill bit
21/05/2008 04:50:40 ‹clight101› What ranger outside of D&D fiction is skilled with two weapons. The best one I know of is Aragon and he used one sword. I guess you could say legolas
21/05/2008 04:50:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> As for the sorcerer class skill, each bloodline grants one to the sorcerer, depending on the bloodline
21/05/2008 04:50:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I never unstood why they gave the fighter 2 skill aanyhow
21/05/2008 04:50:56 ‹Deussu› Ah, excellent.
21/05/2008 04:51:05 ‹Deussu› seeker: I understand.
21/05/2008 04:51:21 ‹Deussu› But at this point everyone else benefits from the condensing, except for Fighter.
21/05/2008 04:51:28 ‹Russ› Blame drizzy for two-weapon rangers.
21/05/2008 04:51:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i always give em 4
21/05/2008 04:51:36 ‹Urza› Jason.. question about the bard... did you happen to make their "songs" less songish.. i've seen a number of bards that don't play instruments or sing, and often go the way of the prestige class combat dancer... to call the songs, songs.. and then not sing always bugged me?
21/05/2008 04:51:47 ‹Wyvern› Ranger was always bow... yeah that two-weapon bit came from the mopy drow.
21/05/2008 04:51:50 ‹Deussu› I'm thinking of testing my proposed odd nut, 3/4/5/6.
21/05/2008 04:51:57 ‹Joey Virtue› aragon fought with two weapons
21/05/2008 04:51:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> Absolutely.. which is why it is now called Bardic Performance.. not Music
21/05/2008 04:52:07 ‹James Jacobs› YAY!
21/05/2008 04:52:11 ‹Russ› Hmm. Bards HAVE to make noise to use their powers.
21/05/2008 04:52:15 ‹James Jacobs› Not really.
21/05/2008 04:52:26 ‹Hill Giant› what kind of performances would a dancing bard get?
21/05/2008 04:52:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Not anymore :-)
21/05/2008 04:52:29 ‹James Jacobs› Dance is more visual than audible.
21/05/2008 04:52:34 ‹robert_hawk› bardic mime
21/05/2008 04:52:36 ‹Joey Virtue› and aragon was way before drizzits
21/05/2008 04:52:42 ‹James Jacobs› Acting can be more visual than audible too.
21/05/2008 04:52:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Robert> Ugg
21/05/2008 04:52:48 ‹Pygon› help I'm stuck in a box!
21/05/2008 04:52:50 ‹Deussu› Blind creatures don't get the benefit of a bard's dancing performance.
21/05/2008 04:52:58 ‹Sir Wulf› I don't recall Aragorn using two weapons in the books.
21/05/2008 04:52:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> Correct
21/05/2008 04:53:03 ‹clight101› Joey > When does aragon use two weapons. I con't think of it
21/05/2008 04:53:16 ‹Urza› i always thought Perform: Acting should have provided bluff and disguise bonuses!
21/05/2008 04:53:17 ‹Joey Virtue› sword and dagger
21/05/2008 04:53:20 ‹Pygon› But do they have the option of using audible inspiration as well?
21/05/2008 04:53:21 ‹Russ› Ok, but dancing bards wouldn't fall into core 3.5E, which was what was being brought up first...
21/05/2008 04:53:33 ‹Joey Virtue› well it was a kurki like knife
21/05/2008 04:53:34 ‹James Jacobs› Dancing bards ARE in core 3.5E, actually.
21/05/2008 04:53:35 ‹Blazej› Urza, but yeah. I'm going to have to disagree with you. You gain a big limitation on by having to prepare. I think that getting the feat automatically would be well balanced and that you would still only see it used a small amount of the time.
21/05/2008 04:53:38 ‹clight101› When was the question
21/05/2008 04:54:00 ‹James Jacobs› The rules support it, but not well. It's one of many ways that the bard got the lazy last-minute design treatment.
21/05/2008 04:54:02 ‹Deussu› JasonBulmahn: Were you considering making even more Combat feats?
21/05/2008 04:54:04 ‹Wyvern› That was for a bit Joey, he had his sword restored for almost all the adventure... unlike the movie.
21/05/2008 04:54:04 ‹Joey Virtue› i wast around in st ed didnt rangers do the two handed thing then too
21/05/2008 04:54:10 ‹Russ› James> I just looked at the bard, and all the listed forms of performance are musical or spoken
21/05/2008 04:54:11 ‹clight101› I can't think of a single place in the books. It's been a decade so I could be blanking
21/05/2008 04:54:13 ‹JasonBulmahn› James is correct.. the only problem was that the language was really bad.. and confusing
21/05/2008 04:54:24 ‹Russ› JAmes> So no, dancing for bard music isn't covered in the core rules
21/05/2008 04:54:29 ‹Blazej› They dance noisely.
21/05/2008 04:54:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> It is now
21/05/2008 04:54:40 ‹Hill Giant› Stomp!
21/05/2008 04:54:44 ‹Blazej› Tap dancing.
21/05/2008 04:54:45 ‹JasonBulmahn› :-)
21/05/2008 04:55:03 ‹Russ› Yes, but that still makes it a change
21/05/2008 04:55:10 ‹robert_hawk› Stomp! was a good show
21/05/2008 04:55:10 ‹Joey Virtue› i didnt read the books to be honest just the great movies
21/05/2008 04:55:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Tap dancing Ninja's
21/05/2008 04:55:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Correct.. but it is an addition.. not a subtraction
21/05/2008 04:55:31 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› :ninja:
21/05/2008 04:55:43 ‹Russ› Joey> 1st ed ranges didn't do the two weapon thing, it cam
21/05/2008 04:57:59 ‹James Jacobs› Yet when you look at each of the sample bard abilities... they all say "A bard with XXX or more ranks in a Perform skill..."
21/05/2008 04:58:02 * Samwise quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 04:58:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> But that is the problem.. that language is not soo good.. or specific
21/05/2008 04:58:17 ‹James Jacobs› The problem is that the language... yeah. The language is terrible for the bard section.
21/05/2008 04:58:19 ‹Russ› James - "can use his music or poetics"
21/05/2008 04:58:21 ‹Deussu› ...I just feel like 8+int is way too much, even for a rogue.
21/05/2008 04:58:27 ‹Russ› So if you partially quote the abilities...
21/05/2008 04:58:37 ‹Paul› a little off but did anybody try Age of Conan yet
21/05/2008 04:58:42 * Joey Virtue quit
21/05/2008 04:58:44 ‹James Jacobs› We're arguing semantics over poorly written rules, Russ. It's not getting anyone anywhere.
21/05/2008 04:58:45 * Joey Virtue joins Main
21/05/2008 04:58:50 ‹Russ› Pardon, "song or poetics", but it is there in every one
21/05/2008 04:58:56 ‹clight101› Bards who use oratation
21/05/2008 04:59:03 ‹clight101› That'll be cool
21/05/2008 04:59:12 ‹Urza› wow.. i was wondering what happen to that text :)
21/05/2008 04:59:12 ‹clight101› They can be polotitions now
21/05/2008 04:59:13 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> It is a lot.. but that is one of their gimmicks...
21/05/2008 04:59:15 ‹James Jacobs› I tried out Age of Conan last night! It's pretty cool. I didn't get a chance to play it much though... hopefully I'll get a bit more time in tonight...
21/05/2008 04:59:18 ‹Russ› It's not semantics, though, since the rules don't ever say you can use a bardic ability without music or poetics. It's not the Perform set, it is a subset.
21/05/2008 04:59:19 ‹Urza› thought the browse ate that up :)
21/05/2008 04:59:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> but feel free to post up feedback
21/05/2008 04:59:27 ‹James Jacobs› Whatever...
21/05/2008 04:59:31 ‹Paul› its calling me from the store
21/05/2008 04:59:33 ‹Deussu› I shall.
21/05/2008 04:59:35 ‹Urza› it's pretty cool James :)
21/05/2008 04:59:37 ‹Hill Giant› Bard with oration is Pathfinder's Mr, Shouty
21/05/2008 04:59:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Let this one go.. take a look at the abilities tomorrow
21/05/2008 04:59:56 ‹James Jacobs› Not that interested in arguing the point, since Jason fixed it in the Pathfinder RPG anyway.
21/05/2008 04:59:59 ‹Sir Wulf› I tried to convince a friend to rebuild his rabblerousing archeologist rogue into a bard, but he couldn't get past the idea that bards were singers.
21/05/2008 05:00:07 * Joey Virtue quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:00:11 ‹cappadocius› Can Pathfinder's Mr. Shouty-Man yell hitpoints back into people?
21/05/2008 05:00:19 ‹Deussu› One thing: Monk
21/05/2008 05:00:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yes?
21/05/2008 05:00:32 ‹Deussu› How did you improve monk. Or did you at all?
21/05/2008 05:00:33 ‹Sir Wulf› Perform: Tea Ceremony?
21/05/2008 05:00:45 ‹clight101› It'd be cool if there were some spells where the bard had to do quick sketches as a way of summoning monsters
21/05/2008 05:00:52 ‹Russ› Jason> Eh, true that it isn't relevant to PF RPG, but I'm quite correct on 3.5E, so I'll let it go after commenting that there's a REASON you need to be able to HEAR bardic music for it to work, and that is because it is MUSIC not mime :)
21/05/2008 05:00:54 ‹Deussu› Sir Wulf: Perform (autojoin)
21/05/2008 05:00:54 ‹clight101› little artist stuff
21/05/2008 05:00:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> the monk got a fair amount of tweaking, but the power level did not move too much
21/05/2008 05:01:03 ‹clight101› fun flavor
21/05/2008 05:01:16 ‹Blazej› ...
21/05/2008 05:01:24 ‹Blazej› Resisting ... meme....
21/05/2008 05:01:34 ‹Russ› Speaking of 3.5E rules problems, can you state explicitly that animal companions don't get bigger from their HD increases?
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21/05/2008 05:01:36 ‹Deussu› From what I gather the monk's problem is the beginning. They never live up the the levels when they'd be even with a Fighter.
21/05/2008 05:01:44 ‹Sir Wulf› Perform (massage)
21/05/2008 05:01:47 ‹Urza› Russ, that's why I asked about it and it bothered me.. because Perform Dancing does work with Bardic Song.. even though by name, not by rule.. it shouldn't. It's more then anything else.. a flavour problem.
21/05/2008 05:01:57 ‹Paul› what class did you try in age of conan?
21/05/2008 05:02:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> They are a different type of combat character.. the comparison is not a fair one
21/05/2008 05:02:06 ‹clight101› sir wulf > Lol, need to get me some of that
21/05/2008 05:02:12 ‹Russ› Urza> it doesn't, in 3.5E, tho, so I don't get what you mean
21/05/2008 05:02:23 ‹Sir Wulf› I gives a substantial morale boost...
21/05/2008 05:02:38 ‹Russ› Monks get some cool stuff at level 1, like multiple attacks without a huge penalty
21/05/2008 05:02:41 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sir Wulf> I need a bard around
21/05/2008 05:02:53 ‹James Jacobs› Paul> Herald of Xotli.
21/05/2008 05:03:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I have seen monks made into avatars of death
21/05/2008 05:03:11 ‹Paul› sounds exotic
21/05/2008 05:03:12 ‹clight101› Monks are bad ass
21/05/2008 05:03:12 ‹James Jacobs› I breathed fire on some scallywags and a few crocodiles... but that's it so far.
21/05/2008 05:03:17 ‹seekerofshadowlight› so never got how they were weak
21/05/2008 05:03:17 ‹Deussu› Well, let me put it differently; A monk rarely was much of an aid in battle. Simply put around 1-4 levels they just sucked and there was nothing to oppose this fact.
21/05/2008 05:03:19 ‹Sir Wulf› I edited the "Logue rated" perform ideas...
21/05/2008 05:03:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Me too.. they needed tweaking, but their power level is pretty good
21/05/2008 05:03:30 ‹clight101› Lol
21/05/2008 05:03:35 ‹Paul› you had me at "breathes some fire"
21/05/2008 05:03:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› been unseing a monk in are playtest group
21/05/2008 05:03:53 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> I am not sure what you mean...
21/05/2008 05:03:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he often out fights everyone
21/05/2008 05:04:01 ‹Russ› Monks are very good on defense, but they've sucked throughout most of 3rd ed on offense, compared to other front-line combat classes
21/05/2008 05:04:06 ‹Hill Giant› You hinted something about monks doing things with Combat Maneuvers?
21/05/2008 05:04:20 ‹Deussu› Low-level monks are not good in almost any aspect. Really. I've seen people play them.
21/05/2008 05:04:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hill> they get bonuses....
21/05/2008 05:04:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› my player often trips and disarms folks
21/05/2008 05:04:50 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:04:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he'll like that
21/05/2008 05:04:51 ‹Russ› Deussu> grappling. They rule at grappling :)
21/05/2008 05:05:07 ‹Blazej› If monks can eventually do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...33e991o Then I will be pleased.
21/05/2008 05:05:15 ‹Deussu› Oh okay, maybe grappling ... though anyone else could do that too. Maybe better!
21/05/2008 05:05:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› my player chocked out a werewolf
21/05/2008 05:05:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> They do get extra attacks, good unarmed damage, reasonable hit points.. 1st level is a bit tough, but it is for most classes
21/05/2008 05:05:37 ‹Paul› archons up on wotc
21/05/2008 05:05:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› Well.. unfortunately.. my time grows short tonight...
21/05/2008 05:05:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that was an intresting moment
21/05/2008 05:05:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Last call on questions
21/05/2008 05:05:49 ‹Deussu› Of course I don't know about the newest monk.
21/05/2008 05:05:50 ‹clight101› Night jason
21/05/2008 05:05:58 ‹Deussu› Jason: Be prepared for an outcry to change the monk though! ;)
21/05/2008 05:05:59 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well thanks for stopping by jason
21/05/2008 05:06:01 ‹Sir Wulf› Monks need cool battlefields to come into their own. In an empty 20x30 room, they suck. In a smithy filled with forges, tables covered with tools, open beams, and other items that let them benefit from skills like tumble and jump, they're much better.
21/05/2008 05:06:06 ‹Deussu› Quite many find Monk as a waste of time.
21/05/2008 05:06:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Deussu> I think monk players will be happy
21/05/2008 05:06:13 ‹Hill Giant› JasonBulmahn: you should get some rest before the storm tommorow ;-)
21/05/2008 05:06:20 ‹Deussu› Monk players, sure. :)
21/05/2008 05:06:22 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hill> I am ready
21/05/2008 05:06:28 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› JasonBulmahn, a beer for you! :beer: :beer:
21/05/2008 05:06:44 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite then jason
21/05/2008 05:06:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Although I really hope folks try to read the changes before commmenting.. posts that happen 5 minutes after release have not been the most helpful
21/05/2008 05:06:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thanks for the Q&A
21/05/2008 05:06:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> No problem
21/05/2008 05:07:01 ‹Adam› Thanks for stopping by Jason....Thanks for all your work!
21/05/2008 05:07:20 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:07:20 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:07:24 ‹Sir Wulf› We look forward to the next version!
21/05/2008 05:07:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Adam> No problem... thanks for reading my crazy ramblings... :-)
21/05/2008 05:07:39 * clight101 quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:07:42 ‹Blazej› I will only read the first sentence of every ability then will post on the forum why it is all wrong.
21/05/2008 05:07:44 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep and its nice to have by next game
21/05/2008 05:07:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sir Wulf> Glad to hear it.. this is the last Alpha.. I am already working on the Beta
21/05/2008 05:07:53 ‹Adam› I do what I can.
21/05/2008 05:07:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› my ranger and monk will like that
21/05/2008 05:08:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> You and about 20 other posters :-)
21/05/2008 05:08:11 ‹Crimson Jester› when is part 3 due out?
21/05/2008 05:08:12 ‹Blazej› :)
21/05/2008 05:08:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> tomorrow
21/05/2008 05:08:28 ‹Blazej› I think you might have answered this before but..
21/05/2008 05:08:42 ‹Crimson Jester› wow thank you for the alacrity there Jason
21/05/2008 05:08:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> I do what I can
21/05/2008 05:09:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› It should have been out a week ago
21/05/2008 05:09:19 ‹Blazej› Will the alpha be updated more to bring it closer to the Beta. Or will it just be the Beta and no updates between Alpha 3 and then.
21/05/2008 05:09:22 ‹Crimson Jester› I was on vacation so I coudl wait
21/05/2008 05:09:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› jason ya guys been working hard were happy to get it when we do
21/05/2008 05:09:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> It is Beta from here on out... the alpha's go away when the Beta comes out
21/05/2008 05:10:00 * Russ would like it to be harder to tell you've just been hit with a charm or compulsion just by having gotten a save
21/05/2008 05:10:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Thanks
21/05/2008 05:10:06 ‹Blazej› OK/
21/05/2008 05:10:09 ‹Urza› mmm fudge covered sugar waffers.. should be illegal in all 50 states
21/05/2008 05:10:19 ‹Crimson Jester› actually we ( and I think I speak for everyone) are happy to be getting this at all, and that you are using our input
21/05/2008 05:10:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› your welcome
21/05/2008 05:10:49 ‹Sir Wulf› Urza, you can almost feel the tooth dacay growing stronger...
21/05/2008 05:10:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yes love that fact yall take imput from so many people
21/05/2008 05:11:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> No problem.. you guys have been really great...
21/05/2008 05:11:04 ‹Blazej› I meant that would you be releasing bits of the Beta before GenCon?
21/05/2008 05:11:15 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› JasonBulmahn & James Jacobs: Thank you for coming here, it's so nice. :)
21/05/2008 05:11:18 ‹Urza› Sir Wulf, 1 cavity in all my life
21/05/2008 05:11:24 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> There will be some previews.. but no releases
21/05/2008 05:11:31 * Hill Giant is going soon...
21/05/2008 05:11:33 ‹Blazej› Alrighty.
21/05/2008 05:11:35 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> No problem
21/05/2008 05:11:36 ‹Urza› wouldn't you know 5 years later.. last year.. it turns into a root canal
21/05/2008 05:11:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yes thank you as well james the drow info was very nice
21/05/2008 05:11:40 * Deussu goes to work now.
21/05/2008 05:11:52 ‹Sir Wulf› That's like my wife: She had her first cavity ever last year.
21/05/2008 05:11:57 ‹Adam› James, you leaving too?
21/05/2008 05:12:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright.. that is about all for me... take it easy everybody.. grab release 3 tomorrow.. read it... wait a few hours, read it again.. and then post
21/05/2008 05:12:12 ‹JasonBulmahn› Or maybe even do some playtesting first (crazy I know)
21/05/2008 05:12:14 ‹Adam› Have a good night, Jason!
21/05/2008 05:12:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol will do jason
21/05/2008 05:12:20 ‹Hill Giant› But i want to post NOW!
21/05/2008 05:12:23 ‹Mothman› See you Jason, thanks for chatting
21/05/2008 05:12:25 ‹Hill Giant› ;-)
21/05/2008 05:12:32 ‹JasonBulmahn› Later
21/05/2008 05:12:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› will be playtested sat here
21/05/2008 05:12:35 ‹Urza› NO NEVER JASON
21/05/2008 05:12:36 * Sir Wulf gets ready to prewrite his post...
21/05/2008 05:12:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Damn you all... :-P
21/05/2008 05:12:52 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yeah! It's fun doing these!
21/05/2008 05:12:53 ‹Urza› WE WILL POST BEFORE WE FINISH READING ABILITIES!
21/05/2008 05:13:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› we will post while downloading
21/05/2008 05:13:15 ‹Hill Giant› "This title page is so broken..."
21/05/2008 05:13:18 ‹Sir Wulf› "The cover isn't nearly as bright as I had expected..."
21/05/2008 05:13:24 ‹Absinth› Thanks, Jason!
21/05/2008 05:13:30 ‹Urza› AND HAVE 20 PAGE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 5 MINUTE WORK DAYS THAT ARE NO LONGER AN ISSUE!
21/05/2008 05:13:35 * Deussu quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:13:39 ‹Russ› What about PF #10? :)
21/05/2008 05:13:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
21/05/2008 05:14:08 * JasonBulmahn quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:14:08 ‹Urza› i swear i couldn't believe how often that thread got bumped
21/05/2008 05:14:16 * Samwise works 5 minutes
21/05/2008 05:14:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah had a player that kept wanting to camp last week
21/05/2008 05:14:30 ‹James Jacobs› What about PF #10?
21/05/2008 05:14:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and the others were like no were good lets go kill something
21/05/2008 05:14:40 ‹Absinth› James, we have seen many monsters in PF until now, but very little to no humanoids, that would be suitable as player races. Is there a reason behind this?
21/05/2008 05:14:53 ‹Urza› pathfinder cleric + extra turning = when do YOU guys want to camp? :)
21/05/2008 05:14:54 ‹James Jacobs› I've actualy sort of lost track of when PF 10 should be coming in. SOON... I would suspectt.
21/05/2008 05:14:56 ‹Pygon› I was curious about PF 10, seemed there was a lot of time passing between 9 and 10 - was there a delay?
21/05/2008 05:15:17 ‹Blazej› Sinspawn PCs?
21/05/2008 05:15:24 ‹James Jacobs› Not intentionally. But there WAS a Chinese new year in there that may have caused some stuff.
21/05/2008 05:15:33 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, I'm eager to read about the Shoanti! :D
21/05/2008 05:15:34 ‹Russ› Tell us good thing about it
21/05/2008 05:15:35 ‹Pygon› the subscription schedule said it would be shipping in June, didn't know if that was final
21/05/2008 05:15:50 ‹Blazej› They have two arms, two feet, a head. Do you want more?
21/05/2008 05:16:09 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> There is a reason: Basically, what's in there now is, in my opinion, enough for PC friendly races. Adding in more starts to make the world seem like a circus or a freak show.
21/05/2008 05:16:10 ‹Absinth› Yes, I want culture...
21/05/2008 05:16:15 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Blazej, Yes! :D
21/05/2008 05:16:20 ‹Sir Wulf› I have some players that would run them...
21/05/2008 05:16:28 * Hill Giant farewells the room
21/05/2008 05:16:38 ‹seekerofshadowlight› night HG
21/05/2008 05:16:42 * Sir Wulf deletes any mention of this discussion from where players might see...
21/05/2008 05:16:43 ‹Absinth› Night, Hill Giant
21/05/2008 05:16:50 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Hill Giant
21/05/2008 05:16:54 ‹James Jacobs› Civilized humanoid races require huge footprints in culture and all that, and just adding in a HUGE SWATH of new humanoids kinda goes against that, AND against the general theme of Golarion being humanocentric.
21/05/2008 05:16:57 ‹Blazej› My parties always seem to be freakshows.
21/05/2008 05:17:02 ‹James Jacobs› We DO have 11 different human ethnicites, for example.
21/05/2008 05:17:19 ‹Crimson Jester› 11?
21/05/2008 05:17:31 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:17:35 ‹Paul› they were a good read as well
21/05/2008 05:17:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I like alot of diffent ethnicites in my races
21/05/2008 05:17:53 ‹Sir Wulf› Of course, my party with the drow, a half-ogre, a whisper gnome, and a shukenja is probably morely enough.
21/05/2008 05:18:00 ‹James Jacobs› That said... we don't go out of our way to say that there AREN'T catfolk or lupins or kenkus or snow elves or tinker gnomes or half-dwarves or whatever. If you want them in there, throw them in! But for the baseline... we've pretty much got enough of the PC friendly races.
21/05/2008 05:18:04 ‹Sir Wulf› motely...
21/05/2008 05:18:06 ‹Blazej› Ever since that half black dragon fox hengeyokai unseelie fey.
21/05/2008 05:18:12 ‹Urza› oh yes! big thansk to cosmo for sending me my missing gazateer.. what a mess that must have been for you guys
21/05/2008 05:18:36 ‹James Jacobs› Cosmo's awesome. So awesome that when there ARE messes... we barely notice them back here in our cave.
21/05/2008 05:18:43 ‹Blazej› Although I did like that half black dragon fox hengeyokai unseelie fey.
21/05/2008 05:19:39 * Sir Wulf still wonders why he can't spell "motley".
21/05/2008 05:20:04 ‹Blazej› I was sort of glad the Gazetteer got messed up. I got a free tour of Paizo!
21/05/2008 05:20:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Blazej, odd group . mine is 4 humans of the same ethnic group and 2 elves
21/05/2008 05:20:19 ‹Adam› Me wanty Gaz! :)
21/05/2008 05:20:21 ‹Urza› lol.. i find it hard to believe the missing gazetteers was barely noticed :P
21/05/2008 05:20:28 * Lilith is doing a favor changes his/her nickname to Lilith
21/05/2008 05:20:30 ‹Blazej› seekerofshadowlight, That wasn't a group. That was one PC.
21/05/2008 05:20:36 * Samwise quit (timeout)
21/05/2008 05:20:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i got that
21/05/2008 05:20:45 ‹Blazej› Ok.
05:21:03 ‹Blazej› Sorry, wanted to make sure. :)
21/05/2008 05:21:06 ‹Absinth› A question to all ppl that are into science, physics and similar witchcraft: Is it possible for a planet to have one frozen pole and another unfrozen one? Or need both poles to be frozen?
21/05/2008 05:21:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› we haven't done the noahs ark group in a while
21/05/2008 05:21:29 ‹Adam› Absinth, I
21/05/2008 05:21:32 ‹Adam› oops
21/05/2008 05:21:37 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Absinth, depends on the rotation of the planet.
21/05/2008 05:21:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well it need not have ice poles I dont guess
21/05/2008 05:21:55 ‹Crimson Jester› Absinth, yes it is possible depending on rotation and orbit
21/05/2008 05:22:03 ‹Adam› What they said
21/05/2008 05:22:07 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› And how much the planet is at an angle.
21/05/2008 05:22:19 ‹robert_hawk› albedo
21/05/2008 05:22:22 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› And what the planet's made of, and how close they are to the sun, etc....:P
21/05/2008 05:22:26 ‹Sir Wulf› A planet could also be tidally locked, continually facing a larger body.
21/05/2008 05:22:26 * Adam clumsily pokes at his laptop.
21/05/2008 05:22:32 ‹robert_hawk› ocean currents
21/05/2008 05:22:57 ‹Urza› Absinth, our "north pole" is in the middle of the ocean :)
21/05/2008 05:23:16 ‹Absinth› I thought about the poles of my homebrew and the northern pole is frozen, but I toyed with the idea to have a Lost World-like southern pole.
21/05/2008 05:23:18 ‹Adam› Our 'north pole' is drifting.
21/05/2008 05:23:29 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah a lot of things can cause it to be different but if you are making a world for a game do what you want
21/05/2008 05:23:49 ‹Urza› Adam, right.. what i mean was it's not like the south pole
21/05/2008 05:23:56 ‹Paul› in oregon do you have to pay for your ballot to be mailed?
21/05/2008 05:23:57 ‹Absinth› Yes, sure. I just want to know if the science guys will laugh at me...:)
21/05/2008 05:23:59 ‹seekerofshadowlight› unless its a hard sci fi setting don't worry about it to much
21/05/2008 05:24:15 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Paul, No.
21/05/2008 05:24:35 ‹Adam› Absinth....one way to fix that is to play with people less intelligent than yourself. :D
21/05/2008 05:24:39 ‹Paul› does the state get a pretty high turnout
21/05/2008 05:24:55 ‹James Jacobs› If I were building a world like that, I'd have there be something at the south pole that works to keep it unfrozen. It might be cool to have a ring of ice around the pole... you pass through and then pow! Lost world!
21/05/2008 05:25:00 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Paul, depends on the issues at hand. :P
21/05/2008 05:25:19 ‹Paul› ahh
21/05/2008 05:25:20 * Lilith is doing a favor changes his/her nickname to Lilith
21/05/2008 05:25:21 ‹Urza› Absinth, not to out there.. greenland... or is it iceland.. i always forgot is a big hot spring.. well the inhabited part of it.. so no reason why there can't be a decent size one
21/05/2008 05:25:27 ‹James Jacobs› Adam> That only really works if the other players KNOW they're not as smart as you. it can backfire if they aren't and think they are...
21/05/2008 05:25:36 ‹Crimson Jester› I've given planets rings or eveen made it a locked moon
21/05/2008 05:25:42 ‹Sir Wulf› Think of places like England: It is warmed by Atlantic currents, so is much warmer than many places at the same latitude
21/05/2008 05:25:46 ‹Adam› True. I haven't pulled it off yet. :)
21/05/2008 05:25:58 ‹Paul› Lilith waiting on the final percents
21/05/2008 05:26:30 ‹Urza› Crimson Jester, the forest moon of endor! :)
21/05/2008 05:26:50 ‹robert_hawk› the press coverage of the race is very interesting
21/05/2008 05:26:55 ‹Adam› brb10min
21/05/2008 05:27:04 ‹Paul› i dig it
21/05/2008 05:27:23 ‹Paul› watching msnbc, reading kos, and wonkette
05:27:48 ‹Urza› Sir Wulf, yeap.. just keep going east of it and you hit forzen wastes of russia
21/05/2008 05:27:48 * Lilith is doing a favor changes his/her nickname to Lilith
21/05/2008 05:27:53 ‹Crimson Jester› Almost Urza though it was more of a jungle world
21/05/2008 05:28:12 ‹Urza› Crimson Jester, are there ewoks atleast? :)
21/05/2008 05:28:14 ‹robert_hawk› cnn has continually rewritten its article on the two primaries tonight
21/05/2008 05:28:17 ‹seekerofshadowlight› haveing issue lilith?
21/05/2008 05:28:31 ‹Paul› did they
21/05/2008 05:28:50 * Lilith is doing a favor changes his/her nickname to Lilith
21/05/2008 05:28:56 ‹robert_hawk› earlier tonight, the headline was 'landslide victory for hillary'
21/05/2008 05:29:00 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› seekerofshadowlight, something like that.
21/05/2008 05:29:10 ‹Paul› what amazes me is nothing unpredicted happened,,,i think O may have gotten a slightly larger margin than polled but in kentuck H was always at that
21/05/2008 05:29:16 ‹robert_hawk› as the polls have come in for obama, its gotten steadily more neutral in tone
21/05/2008 05:29:18 ‹Absinth› Yes, it will have a huge glacial wall and Mountain of Madness like mountains around it. In there lies the Lost World like pole region. It once was an empire of mad wizard-scientists that wanted to shape the planet to their liking. They are long gone due to something that went terribly wrong. But their magic is still lingering there and is preventing the place from freezing. How about that? :)
21/05/2008 05:29:18 ‹Crimson Jester› with a big golden world in the sky day and night, we didnt have ewoks per say but my goblins were furry with big teeth, and used gliders and baloons to attack cities of humans
21/05/2008 05:29:19 * Lilith is not doing a favor any more...:(
21/05/2008 05:29:36 ‹Blazej› :(
21/05/2008 05:29:50 ‹robert_hawk› focusing on both states now instead of just kentucky
21/05/2008 05:29:52 * seekerofshadowlight quit (timeout)
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21/05/2008 05:30:07 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› robert_hawk, lol. :lol:
21/05/2008 05:30:15 ‹Paul› yes, the race is over Hil just needs a exit plan
21/05/2008 05:30:17 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
21/05/2008 05:30:32 ‹Paul› and a hug for a job well done
21/05/2008 05:30:58 ‹Urza› James... will there be anything Undermountain like on Golarion? I think it'd make for a cool AP myself.
21/05/2008 05:31:01 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› AAAAAAAANyway...Back to Golarion...
21/05/2008 05:31:07 ‹Paul› sorry
21/05/2008 05:31:08 * Lilith takes up residence in Absalom.
21/05/2008 05:31:21 * Samwise quit (timeout)
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21/05/2008 05:31:27 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs: Will we be seeing a return to Absalom?
21/05/2008 05:31:38 ‹Crimson Jester› James when will we hear more about the colonies across the sea?
21/05/2008 05:31:51 ‹robert_hawk› isn't the pathfinder society based out of absolom?
21/05/2008 05:31:59 ‹robert_hawk› the player organization I mean
21/05/2008 05:32:00 ‹Pygon› any questions for us James?
21/05/2008 05:32:01 ‹Absinth› Yes, it is.
21/05/2008 05:32:19 ‹robert_hawk› not the ingame version, the nick logue run community I mean
21/05/2008 05:32:48 ‹Samwise› hmmmm
21/05/2008 05:33:12 ‹Absinth› Ahh, okay. I'd say no. You have to choose a region...
21/05/2008 05:33:32 ‹Urza› nick logue is amassing too much power
21/05/2008 05:33:37 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> There's several siege castles surrounding Absalom; any one of them could be an Undermountain type situation. ESPECIALLY El-Raja-Key.
21/05/2008 05:33:41 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Absinth, No...You choose a faction, not a region. Difference. :)
21/05/2008 05:33:49 ‹Blazej› What about Kaer Maga?
21/05/2008 05:33:55 ‹Urza› first pathfinder society.. not sinister games.. next he'll be running for president!
21/05/2008 05:33:55 ‹Blazej› [sic]
21/05/2008 05:34:03 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes; we'll be going back to Absalom several times; it's the big city, after all!
21/05/2008 05:34:06 ‹Absinth› Faction. Okay..:)
21/05/2008 05:34:21 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Probably won't hear much more about oversea colonies that much. Maybe a little here and there...
21/05/2008 05:34:24 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, Hooray! :D
21/05/2008 05:34:31 ‹Paul› when talking about hte different cultures of humans would giving them various minor abilities be something that is possibel
21/05/2008 05:34:32 * Lilith is doing a favor changes his/her nickname to Writing Lilith
21/05/2008 05:34:33 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› :typerhappy:
21/05/2008 05:34:36 ‹James Jacobs› The Pathfinder Society is based in Absalom, yup.
21/05/2008 05:34:48 ‹James Jacobs› kaer Maga could be an Undermountain type dungeon, sure!
21/05/2008 05:34:51 ‹Adam› Name change doesn't look like it's sticking
21/05/2008 05:34:54 ‹Paul› possible*
21/05/2008 05:35:22 ‹Adam› Kaer Maga rocks! Really cool flavor for that place!
21/05/2008 05:35:32 ‹James Jacobs› Paul> Probably not. That's kind of a sticky issue. We'll be keeping all of our human ethnicities the same game stat wise, I suspect, and using just flavor to set them apart.
21/05/2008 05:35:50 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Adam, yeah, apparently...:P
21/05/2008 05:35:57 ‹Urza› I would love to see an AP based on a huge dungeon crawl.
21/05/2008 05:36:17 ‹Paul› i understand
21/05/2008 05:36:18 ‹Pygon› a huge war campaign, might be interesting too
21/05/2008 05:36:24 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Urza, Not I....:paranoid:
21/05/2008 05:36:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› seems the room wants to keep ya doing favors lilith
21/05/2008 05:36:42 ‹Urza› why not lilith... paizo could reinvent the dungeon crawl!
21/05/2008 05:36:43 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› seekerofshadowlight, but I've done my favorsssssssssssssss...:cry:
21/05/2008 05:36:48 * ollibolli joins Main
21/05/2008 05:36:48 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Urza, :lol:
21/05/2008 05:36:55 ‹Adam› Urza, what would be cool would be a series of levels for a crazy big dungeon played out over time.
21/05/2008 05:36:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well it likes ya doing em it seems
21/05/2008 05:37:02 ‹ollibolli› good morning from Germany
21/05/2008 05:37:06 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› seekerofshadowlight, this is not far from the truth...
21/05/2008 05:37:11 ‹Pygon› hi olli
21/05/2008 05:37:16 ‹robert_hawk› morning
21/05/2008 05:37:17 ‹Adam› Morning olli!
21/05/2008 05:37:17 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Ollibolli
21/05/2008 05:37:22 ‹Urza› Adam, right.. each of the six issues would be a new level of the dungeon
21/05/2008 05:37:22 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Olli!
21/05/2008 05:37:24 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
21/05/2008 05:37:28 ‹Blazej› My experiences with pure dungeoncrawls have not been good.
21/05/2008 05:37:28 * Writing Lilith runs over and glomps Olli! :glomp:
21/05/2008 05:37:29 ‹Absinth› Morning, Olli!
21/05/2008 05:37:45 ‹Urza› Blazej, worlds largest dungeon :)
21/05/2008 05:37:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› they tend to have high body counts
21/05/2008 05:37:50 ‹Blazej› Although that is kind of limited to The World's Largest Dungeon
21/05/2008 05:37:54 ‹Blazej› Yeah...
21/05/2008 05:38:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› never played that one
21/05/2008 05:38:16 ‹Urza› you didn't have fun with that? :)
21/05/2008 05:38:20 ‹Adam› I'm not sure something like that would work too well for an AP
21/05/2008 05:38:26 ‹James Jacobs› A Dungeon Crawl AP has certainly crossed my mind... but it'd be a tough one to pull off. I'd have to do something like we did for Maure Castle levels in Dungeon; make those dungeons vibrant and filled with neat factions and cults and what not.
21/05/2008 05:38:30 ‹Adam› But maybe a series of mods.
21/05/2008 05:38:45 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Adam, a three part mod.
21/05/2008 05:38:47 ‹Urza› James, exactly
21/05/2008 05:38:54 ‹Absinth› I don't like the WLD. The concept doesn't appeal to me...
21/05/2008 05:38:58 ‹Adam› Werd
21/05/2008 05:39:09 ‹Blazej› I was DMing. From my point of view it got kind of irritating seeing that 5th fiendish darkmantle and 8th version of a fiendish rat.
21/05/2008 05:39:10 ‹Crimson Jester› A Maure castle Varient would be great....... Where is the Whispering tyrant at agian?
21/05/2008 05:39:23 ‹Urza› lol
21/05/2008 05:39:27 ‹Urza› no more whispering tyrant!
21/05/2008 05:39:37 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Urza, he makes the Chatroom crash...
21/05/2008 05:39:38 ‹Absinth› Ustalav...
21/05/2008 05:39:42 ‹Urza› that guy gets too much play :)
21/05/2008 05:39:51 ‹James Jacobs› Dungeon Crawls are fun to read. Temple of Elemental Evil's a great example. I've run that one LOTS; and the initial section in Homlett and the moathouse is a BLAST! But with one exception... that campaign implodes befrore too long; the dungeon's just too big with not enough going on inside, alas.
21/05/2008 05:39:58 ‹Absinth› Imprisoned within the Gallowspire.
21/05/2008 05:40:05 ‹Sir Wulf› Whispering Tyrant? Who's that?
21/05/2008 05:40:21 ‹Urza› Sir Wulf... please say you're joking
21/05/2008 05:40:24 ‹James Jacobs› The Whispering Tyrant is one of our big bad guys. he's probably one of the toughest liches in the world.
21/05/2008 05:40:31 ‹Adam› Every GM I've played with has heavily modified ToEE
21/05/2008 05:40:41 ‹Pygon› he's the guy that's so evil he kills you raises you and wishes you dead just to kill you again.
21/05/2008 05:40:46 ‹James Jacobs› He's imprisoned under Gallowspire. That could easilly be another megadungeon.
21/05/2008 05:40:48 ‹Adam› To include more and better flavor.
21/05/2008 05:40:53 ‹Urza› i love the ToEE
21/05/2008 05:40:56 ‹Blazej› WLD really required the party to search around (a large section of each dungeon) to find out the plot lines in the areas. After running the first section I felt that the party could just run through thinking that they are all random encounters.
21/05/2008 05:40:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› might be fun if it was somekind of game at some point. and the crawl kinda goes on long after its creaters are dead
21/05/2008 05:41:02 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah I have found many times the hinterlands are more interesting then the actually dungeon, But that could always be a good AP
21/05/2008 05:41:06 ‹Sir Wulf› Really? Is he particularly evil?
21/05/2008 05:41:13 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Sir Wulf, somewhat.
21/05/2008 05:41:14 ‹Urza› it and undermountain are my favorite dungeon crawls
21/05/2008 05:41:15 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› :P
21/05/2008 05:41:26 * Sir Wulf knows how to set up a running gag.
21/05/2008 05:41:31 ‹Absinth› Adam, maybe because it's so widely known. If I'd run ToEE today, I'd probably modify it as well...
21/05/2008 05:41:33 ‹Urza› i want Paizo to do a golarion dungeon :)
21/05/2008 05:41:34 * Deussu joins Main
21/05/2008 05:41:48 ‹Adam› Absinth...good point.
21/05/2008 05:41:50 ‹Deussu› back now to rant about backwards compatibility!
21/05/2008 05:42:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› jason is gone
21/05/2008 05:42:02 ‹Blazej› WLD also seemed to require a lot of reading for a dungeon the party might explore half of.
21/05/2008 05:42:02 ‹Urza› Absinth, A LOT of people haven't played Return to ToEE
21/05/2008 05:42:07 ‹ollibolli› The problem with WLD is, that the first part was rushed, since its original author had to pass the assignment 60% through development.
21/05/2008 05:42:08 ‹James Jacobs› Wes Schneider worked on WLD... it nearly drove him crazy, though, having to use a range of monsters from CR 1 to 20 in a dungeon section that was supposed to be for 16th level or something like that...
21/05/2008 05:42:15 ‹Urza› good luck finding it for less then $75 though
21/05/2008 05:42:32 ‹Deussu› James Jacobs: Tell me, how much Monte Cook has accomplished already? :P
21/05/2008 05:42:43 ‹Absinth› Uhh, sounds crazy...:)
21/05/2008 05:43:06 ‹James Jacobs› Monte's involvement is not as huge as most folk think. I've had no contact at all with him, for example. Jason would be the one to talk to.
21/05/2008 05:43:27 ‹ollibolli› and the first Chapter is always the part, that sets the mood. later parts are much better
21/05/2008 05:43:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› jason just bounces things off him pretty much is what monte said
21/05/2008 05:43:36 ‹Blazej› It's not that I hate WLD/ just that running it as written was very draining.
21/05/2008 05:44:21 ‹seekerofshadowlight› which always helps to have folks to bounce ideals off of
21/05/2008 05:44:24 ‹Urza› i think it's because the book is poorly laid out
21/05/2008 05:44:34 ‹Deussu› James: So he's your cafeteria chef? Monte 'Cook', har har har
21/05/2008 05:44:47 ‹Blazej› Urza, maybe that too.
21/05/2008 05:44:55 ‹Pygon› #-o
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21/05/2008 05:45:10 ‹Adam› I wish Paizo had a cafeteria. I'd SO apply for that job!
21/05/2008 05:45:11 ‹Deussu› Pygon: It hurt you that bad? :)
21/05/2008 05:45:14 ‹Urza› every 4th of July we break out WLD and try to play through more of it :)
21/05/2008 05:45:39 ‹Crimson Jester› So James do you guys go out for lunch, order in, or just take left overs into the office with you?
21/05/2008 05:45:55 ‹Crimson Jester› :love:
21/05/2008 05:45:58 ‹James Jacobs› I kinda wish Paizo had a cafeteria too. We have a kitchen, though. Close enough.
21/05/2008 05:45:59 ‹Urza› Crimson Jester, from what I hear james doesn't show up at the offices until after lunch :)
21/05/2008 05:46:04 ‹Blazej› Urza, I ended up reconing a PC death when they hit a trap. After they hit the trap I realized they discribed dead bodies in the hallway in the room description.
21/05/2008 05:46:05 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Adam, Dude! Me too! We could rock out some killer lunches! :excite:
21/05/2008 05:46:08 ‹Mothman› Now we're getting to the hard hitting questions! ;-)
21/05/2008 05:46:08 ‹Deussu› Or eat the insects that are rampant on the office floor!
21/05/2008 05:46:15 ‹Adam› Hells yeah!!
21/05/2008 05:46:21 ‹Blazej› After the trap description.
21/05/2008 05:46:23 ‹James Jacobs› Some of us bring our lunch, but most of us go out for lunch every day and/or bring lunch back.
21/05/2008 05:46:34 ‹Deussu› Paizo is full of vermin lords! I knew it!
21/05/2008 05:46:37 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Adam, we could roll around the minibar too...:)
21/05/2008 05:46:39 ‹robert_hawk› night folks
21/05/2008 05:46:46 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Night Robert!
21/05/2008 05:46:46 * robert_hawk quit
21/05/2008 05:46:47 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Mothman changes his name to Something Else
21/05/2008 05:46:53 ‹Adam› Nice touch, Lilz!
21/05/2008 05:47:00 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Close! I usually roll in here between 10:30 and 11:00... then usually don't hit "lunch" till 1:00 or 2:00.
21/05/2008 05:47:00 ‹Mothman› hmmm
21/05/2008 05:47:19 ‹Mothman› THAT's why Lilith is still doing favours....
21/05/2008 05:47:20 ‹ollibolli› any news on the German transaltion front?
21/05/2008 05:47:23 ‹Crimson Jester› How many hours do you put in, in a typical day?
21/05/2008 05:47:36 ‹Sir Wulf› I can't wait to tell people how Monte Cook was hired to set up Paizo's new, mulltilevel cafeteria.
21/05/2008 05:47:43 ‹Deussu› ollibolli: btw your nick indicates you are finnish. Are you?
21/05/2008 05:47:53 ‹Adam› olli, I heard that you are doing the German translation. :)
21/05/2008 05:48:23 ‹Absinth› :D
21/05/2008 05:48:28 ‹ollibolli› and my system hangs itself up any minute now
21/05/2008 05:48:38 ‹James Jacobs› No news I've heard on the German translation front.
21/05/2008 05:48:39 ‹ollibolli› No, I am German
21/05/2008 05:48:50 ‹Urza› i was underthe impression that most europeans buy the english versions of D&D stuff because the translations are usually terrible
21/05/2008 05:48:59 ‹Deussu› Just wondering. (Olli is a rather common first name in Finland)
21/05/2008 05:49:06 ‹Deussu› Urza: Well, I do
21/05/2008 05:49:11 ‹ollibolli› well, i am editing the blog translations, and I am doing a "private" translation of D0
21/05/2008 05:49:16 ‹Absinth› Same here in Germany...
21/05/2008 05:49:19 ‹Deussu› For one I hate dubbed TV shows.
21/05/2008 05:49:25 ‹ollibolli› real name = Oliver von Spreckelsen
21/05/2008 05:49:40 ‹Deussu› And following that even books are bought in English.
21/05/2008 05:49:52 ‹ollibolli› once you have seen the riginal... except no substitutes
05:50:08 ‹ollibolli› accept
21/05/2008 05:50:10 ‹ollibolli› gnah
21/05/2008 05:50:20 ‹Deussu› They proposed to translate D&D into Finnish, but it'd be more of a laughing stock than an actual product.
21/05/2008 05:51:15 ‹Deussu› Anyway ..
21/05/2008 05:51:16 ‹Absinth› The german translations of the WotC core rules aren't that bad...
21/05/2008 05:51:40 ‹Crimson Jester› Met a lot of Germans over the weekend
21/05/2008 05:51:41 ‹Deussu› Maybe, but Finnish translations always sound very awkward and silly.
21/05/2008 05:51:42 ‹ollibolli› but it took them ages to finish them
21/05/2008 05:52:22 ‹Sir Wulf› you mean Finnish them...
21/05/2008 05:52:32 ‹Mothman› ha....
21/05/2008 05:52:36 ‹Deussu› "har har har"
21/05/2008 05:52:40 ‹Crimson Jester› oww that was bad SirWulf
21/05/2008 05:52:54 ‹Absinth› :D
21/05/2008 05:52:57 ‹ollibolli› bad pun, bad pun...
21/05/2008 05:53:12 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Sir Wulf, lol!!! :lol:
21/05/2008 05:53:13 ‹Deussu› I have no respect for you anymore :P
21/05/2008 05:53:17 ‹ollibolli› watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do, when they come for you
21/05/2008 05:53:40 ‹Absinth› CJ, where did you meet lots of germans?
21/05/2008 05:54:06 ‹Crimson Jester› At the Ruins of Tulum, Absinth
21/05/2008 05:54:34 ‹Absinth› Ruins of Tulum? Sounds scary...:)
21/05/2008 05:54:45 * Sir Wulf can't help it. His artistic license was revoked.
21/05/2008 05:54:46 ‹Crimson Jester› It was awesome
21/05/2008 05:54:54 * yoda8myhead joins Main
21/05/2008 05:55:08 ‹Crimson Jester› Hot as hell
21/05/2008 05:55:16 * yoda8myhead rushes to make it before chat ends
21/05/2008 05:55:17 ‹Deussu› Hm, I'm eager to know more about Pathfinder Society but that darned Josh never pops up or gives more information about it.
21/05/2008 05:55:28 ‹Crimson Jester› when I get my pics I will put up links
21/05/2008 05:55:34 ‹Deussu› For as long as I don't know what kind of a concept it is and more details about it, I won't volunteer.
21/05/2008 05:55:37 ‹James Jacobs› We'll... HOPEFULLY... have a lot more info pretty soon about the Pathfinder Society...
21/05/2008 05:55:41 ‹yoda8myhead› hey there everyone
21/05/2008 05:55:49 ‹Pygon› hi yoda
21/05/2008 05:55:49 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› yoda8myhead! :glomp::thug:
21/05/2008 05:55:53 ‹yoda8myhead› what did I miss?
21/05/2008 05:55:54 ‹Crimson Jester› hi yoda
21/05/2008 05:55:58 ‹Adam› Howdy yoda
21/05/2008 05:56:08 ‹Deussu› Mostly I'm interested if it's a regional system (like the Living campaigns) or a campaign system (like Mark of Heroes)
21/05/2008 05:56:11 * yoda8myhead glomps lilith back :glomp:
21/05/2008 05:56:21 ‹Deussu› I prefer former, and despite the latter.
21/05/2008 05:56:32 ‹Urza› i'm telling you
21/05/2008 05:56:40 ‹Urza› nick logue is going to take over the world
21/05/2008 05:56:52 ‹Urza› this is terrible
21/05/2008 05:56:58 ‹Deussu› Nick Logue ...
21/05/2008 05:57:03 ‹Deussu› Where does he get all that time to write?
21/05/2008 05:57:14 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› Deussu, he doesn't sleep...:zombie::typerhappy:
21/05/2008 05:57:18 ‹yoda8myhead› been playing Savage Tide. Haven't even checked for Release 3 yet...is it up?
21/05/2008 05:57:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey yoda
21/05/2008 05:57:31 ‹Crimson Jester› tomorrow
21/05/2008 05:57:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› tommow yoda
21/05/2008 05:57:35 ‹Deussu› He's publishing 39-paged adventures monthly, in addition has a day job and has a campaign source book and YAARGH
21/05/2008 05:57:42 ‹Deussu› Lilith: Yeah that is the logical conclusion.
21/05/2008 05:57:45 ‹ollibolli› quote from day of the Tentacle: (I feel, like i could, blubber... i could... blubber... TAKE ON THE WORLD... Lightning in the background)
21/05/2008 05:58:03 ‹Deussu› DotT, excellent game.
21/05/2008 05:58:21 ‹Urza› Deussu.. nick logue is a younger evil ed greenwood :)
21/05/2008 05:58:36 ‹Deussu› Well, what I've heard his adventures are good.
21/05/2008 05:58:39 ‹Deussu› So no evil there!
21/05/2008 05:59:03 ‹Urza› except now nick has a computer where as we was limited to a type writer for years :)
21/05/2008 05:59:27 ‹Absinth› Wow, the Concept Art House gallerys are awesome!
21/05/2008 05:59:33 ‹Adam› Poop. I have to be on the jobsite in about 6 hours. I should call it a night.
21/05/2008 05:59:44 ‹Absinth› http://www.conceptarthouse.com/
21/05/2008 05:59:49 ‹James Jacobs› That they are!
21/05/2008 05:59:51 ‹Urza› one day we'll all wake up.. cats and dogs will be living together and nick logue will be king of the world
21/05/2008 05:59:55 ‹Absinth› Night, Adam!
21/05/2008 06:00:02 ‹Adam› Thanks for coming everyone. I'm glad that I made at least some of the chat.
21/05/2008 06:00:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ok night adam
21/05/2008 06:00:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ya i think there art is great
21/05/2008 06:00:12 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I better get moving if I wanna get home before I go to sleep... any last-minute questions?
21/05/2008 06:00:24 ‹yoda8myhead› James, will the new alpha release have rules for converting mosters?
21/05/2008 06:00:33 ‹yoda8myhead› or even monsters, should I want to?
21/05/2008 06:00:37 ‹ollibolli› when is PF 10 going to arrive?
21/05/2008 06:00:41 ‹Deussu› James: Btw I demand you to whine and rant at the office so much they agree to make more "realistic" art. :)
21/05/2008 06:00:49 ‹Adam› Nighty night, you chat-tastic bastards! :D
21/05/2008 06:00:54 ‹yoda8myhead› later adam
21/05/2008 06:01:03 * Deussu dislikes skimpy chainmail tank tops and miniskirts.
21/05/2008 06:01:06 ‹ollibolli› gn8 adam
21/05/2008 06:01:09 * Adam quit
21/05/2008 06:01:19 ‹Urza› Deussu, you're weird
21/05/2008 06:01:28 ‹James Jacobs› The new alpha rules will have some monster rules, but no monsters.
21/05/2008 06:01:29 ‹yoda8myhead› deussu, we're gamers, we LOVE that stuff
21/05/2008 06:01:31 ‹Urza› skimpy chainmail makes the world go round :)
21/05/2008 06:01:37 ‹James Jacobs› Dunno about PF 10. "soon"
21/05/2008 06:01:41 ‹Mothman› James, more skimpy chainmail tank tops, miniskirts, big swords and big eared elves in the art please! ;-)
21/05/2008 06:01:41 ‹ollibolli› Deussu: read Chicks in Chainmails
21/05/2008 06:01:48 ‹James Jacobs› Desussu> one person's "
21/05/2008 06:01:51 ‹Deussu› Maybe I'm weird, but I'm not alone!
21/05/2008 06:01:56 ‹Urza› what Mothman said!
21/05/2008 06:01:58 ‹James Jacobs› "Realistic" art is another person's "Crappy Manga Art."
21/05/2008 06:01:58 ‹yoda8myhead› that's all I ask for. I want to convert the existing monsters by type, etc. from RotR for my playtest starting soon
21/05/2008 06:02:03 ‹Urza› BAH!
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21/05/2008 06:02:23 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, LOL! :D
21/05/2008 06:02:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› for what its worth I like the art
21/05/2008 06:02:48 ‹Urza› i think the crossbow girl looks wonder next to our long eared elf heroine... so much so i think you all should go download my Femme Fatale wallpaper if you haven't!!
21/05/2008 06:02:56 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Of course... one VERY VALUABLE bit of info I would love to see is people playtesting the alpha rules WITHOUT converting monsters. To test how easy it is to do backwards compatability stuff.
21/05/2008 06:03:19 ‹yoda8myhead› hmm. Might consider that then
21/05/2008 06:03:28 ‹Pygon› our savage tide game will be switching to PF rules
21/05/2008 06:03:31 ‹yoda8myhead› I fear that the PCs will be overpowered though
21/05/2008 06:03:38 ‹James Jacobs› In any event... now that we're rolling into PF10, and we've had more than a dozen modules... it should be pretty obvious what the standard of what kind of art we're looking for is at.
21/05/2008 06:03:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i've been useing the 3.0 MM with my groupt
21/05/2008 06:03:45 ‹yoda8myhead› do you recommend converting NPCs?
21/05/2008 06:03:45 ‹Paul› whats the total page count on the alpha now with all 3 releases
21/05/2008 06:03:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> They might be. They might not.
21/05/2008 06:04:00 ‹James Jacobs› I'd like to see both. Converted AND nonconverted.
21/05/2008 06:04:05 ‹Urza› http://img205.imageshack.us/my...cr3.jpg
21/05/2008 06:04:09 ‹Mothman› James, thanks for chatting tonight
21/05/2008 06:04:13 ‹yoda8myhead› I might do that with goblins to start, fight both kinds
21/05/2008 06:04:14 ‹Blazej› Any suggestions on how what to say about things like ... the sin magic wizards not being able to use schools of magic?
21/05/2008 06:04:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yoda I haven't but I been useing homebrew stuff
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21/05/2008 06:04:23 ‹Absinth› Yes, thank you, James!
21/05/2008 06:04:36 ‹James Jacobs› My gut tells me that lower level PF RPG characters are a little more powerful than 3.5 ones but that with each level, that begins to bleed together and be less and less of an issue.
21/05/2008 06:04:58 ‹ollibolli› breakfast beckons
21/05/2008 06:04:59 ‹ollibolli› bbl
21/05/2008 06:05:11 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> The runelords can use schools of magic. if they don't... they're not runelords.
21/05/2008 06:05:14 ‹James Jacobs› Simple as that.
21/05/2008 06:05:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› james they are stronger at 1st ans 2nd it seems
21/05/2008 06:05:23 ‹yoda8myhead› for enemies with class levels, though. I feel like I should give them equivalent abilities as if they were done with PF rules
21/05/2008 06:06:03 ‹Blazej› I was more curious about the Sins of the Savoirs, the wrath wizards not knowing teleportation magic.
21/05/2008 06:06:15 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway... I'm just sayin' it'd be cool to have feedback from both types; games that don't convert anything, and games that convert everything.
21/05/2008 06:06:23 ‹Absinth› James, I experienced that as well. 1st Lvl PF PCs felt different and more powerful than standard PC of the same Lvl. After Lvl 6 or so, we felt not that much difference in terms of power.
21/05/2008 06:06:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› will do
21/05/2008 06:06:33 ‹yoda8myhead› ok, will keep that in mind.
21/05/2008 06:06:40 ‹James Jacobs› Wrath wizards don't need no teleport magic! They just blast holes in walls where they wanna go!
21/05/2008 06:06:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Just thought I'd drop in for a minute.
21/05/2008 06:06:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Bust I now must away. See you all tomorrow!
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21/05/2008 06:07:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite yoda
21/05/2008 06:07:03 ‹yoda8myhead› but
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21/05/2008 06:07:29 ‹James Jacobs› OR! Wrath wizards use spells like shadow walk to go places fast.
21/05/2008 06:07:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah were at 4th and it dosen't seem like a big diffance
21/05/2008 06:07:58 ‹James Jacobs› Or they just tough it out and eventaully use wish to teleport.
21/05/2008 06:08:19 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway. I gotta run; gotta finish off this art order for "Into the Darklands" and then head home to Conan it up!
21/05/2008 06:08:29 ‹James Jacobs› See ya all next time!!
21/05/2008 06:08:33 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite james
21/05/2008 06:08:36 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, I more talking about that summoning diagram in their room and not accidently open a exit out of the dungeon.
21/05/2008 06:08:37 ‹Urza› one could say the first couple of levels of 3P feels like you're as powerful as you are in 4E :P
21/05/2008 06:08:39 ‹Blazej› Night James!
21/05/2008 06:08:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thanks for stopping in
21/05/2008 06:08:45 * Urza ducks and hides
21/05/2008 06:08:46 ‹Blazej› It's not a big deal though.
21/05/2008 06:09:01 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Urza, not really
21/05/2008 06:09:04 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs, Thank you James!
21/05/2008 06:09:13 ‹Pygon› thanks again James
21/05/2008 06:09:16 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Yeah... Well... that's part of the design of that dungeon. That the wrath wizards can't really get out of there easy.
21/05/2008 06:09:18 * Writing Lilith glomps James! :glomp: :thug:
21/05/2008 06:09:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› my group didnt use alot of hp options
21/05/2008 06:09:25 ‹Blazej› Yeah.
21/05/2008 06:09:28 * Writing Lilith gives James cookies and backrubs. :cookie:
21/05/2008 06:09:29 ‹James Jacobs› But if they get ahold of something like that cape of the montebank... they're set!
21/05/2008 06:09:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› we used max hp + con mod
21/05/2008 06:09:39 ‹James Jacobs› COOKIES BACKRUBS! <falls asleep>
21/05/2008 06:10:10 ‹Urza› yeah so?
21/05/2008 06:10:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and then rolled HP after that
21/05/2008 06:10:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well i still killed em just as easy as 3.5
21/05/2008 06:10:29 ‹Lilith is doing a favor› James Jacobs: Hee hee. :zzz:
21/05/2008 06:10:41 ‹Urza› so like 4e you have lots of HP :)
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28/05/2008 02:59:24 ‹cpt_kirstov› hehe - i can't afford it - but my friend lives in Indy
28/05/2008 02:59:33 ‹Pygon› ping spiking, board acting up - not a good sign
28/05/2008 02:59:46 ‹Nicolas Logue› Just Come!
28/05/2008 02:59:49 ‹Blazej› Hmm.
28/05/2008 02:59:49 ‹Nicolas Logue› You'll love it!
28/05/2008 02:59:54 ‹Nicolas Logue› Crash with a friend!
28/05/2008 03:00:09 ‹Blazej› Darn it.
28/05/2008 03:00:29 ‹cpt_kirstov› as long as I can afford the airfare
28/05/2008 03:00:39 ‹Blazej› I started mentaly attaching "in bed" to Logue's statements for some reason
28/05/2008 03:00:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm crashing with my wife . . . I refuse to cuddle with my gaming group.
28/05/2008 03:00:52 ‹Nicolas Logue› HA!
28/05/2008 03:00:58 ‹clight101› lol
28/05/2008 03:01:05 ‹Nicolas Logue› Alrighty, I gotta go!
28/05/2008 03:01:08 ‹Nicolas Logue› G'night everyone!
28/05/2008 03:01:10 ‹clight101› later nick
28/05/2008 03:01:11 ‹Nicolas Logue› Much love!
28/05/2008 03:01:13 ‹Blazej› NIGHT!
28/05/2008 03:01:16 ‹Nicolas Logue› Good gaming!
28/05/2008 03:01:18 ‹Pygon› good night!
28/05/2008 03:01:20 ‹David› bye!
28/05/2008 03:01:22 ‹Sir Wulf› Go forth and conquer!
28/05/2008 03:01:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Nick
28/05/2008 03:01:30 ‹yoda8myhead› http://www.smouch.net/lol/
28/05/2008 03:01:33 ‹yoda8myhead› later
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28/05/2008 03:02:04 ‹yoda8myhead› this one's for Tensor, who has provided us all with so much enjoyment with random links
tonight
28/05/2008 03:02:16 ‹Cloakedchaos› Sweet!
28/05/2008 03:02:18 * Cloakedchaos dances.
28/05/2008 03:02:23 ‹cappadocius› I'm currently sharing a room with a gaming acquaintance.
28/05/2008 03:02:25 ‹yoda8myhead›
28/05/2008 03:02:34 ‹cappadocius› I hope to hook up with a gaming hottie on Thursday night and share her bed.
28/05/2008 03:02:37 * cappadocius dreams big.
28/05/2008 03:02:41 ‹Blazej› yoda8myhead, that was very hard to get away from.
28/05/2008 03:02:50 ‹yoda8myhead› what?
28/05/2008 03:02:52 ‹Blazej› Especially since I'm using tabs.
28/05/2008 03:02:59 ‹Cloakedchaos› I'm told that I shouldn't enjoy it when that happens to me.
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28/05/2008 03:03:19 ‹yoda8myhead› just wait til I get mike!!!
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28/05/2008 03:03:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . my wife isn't a gamer, but she is a geek, so I'm happy with that.
28/05/2008 03:03:44 ‹Blazej› It's not horrible, just that if it went on any longer I would have had to leave the chat.
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28/05/2008 03:03:59 ‹cpt_kirstov› see I knew it was bad to ask you all if GenCon was a good idea, now I'm looking at airline
prices
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28/05/2008 03:04:11 ‹yoda8myhead› everyone who clicked has timed out
28/05/2008 03:04:16 ‹yoda8myhead› lol
28/05/2008 03:04:17 ‹Blazej› Maybe like them.
28/05/2008 03:04:17 ‹Cloakedchaos› cappadocius, I'm engaged to a gaming hottie
28/05/2008 03:04:17 ‹Pygon› ...
28/05/2008 03:04:24 ‹Cloakedchaos›
28/05/2008 03:04:29 ‹Daigle› Holy Mother of Dog!
28/05/2008 03:04:40 ‹Majuba› cpt: if you asked here, you already were going
28/05/2008 03:04:44 ‹yoda8myhead› what happened Daigle?
28/05/2008 03:04:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've been swearing I was going to go since I got back into gaming after my divorce
(years now). My wife made me go this year.
28/05/2008 03:04:49 * tensor joins Main
28/05/2008 03:05:04 * Majuba cheers Knight's wife!
28/05/2008 03:05:07 * Daigle shrugs
28/05/2008 03:05:12 ‹cpt_kirstov› I want ot go so I do PFS
28/05/2008 03:05:13 ‹clight101› I converted my ex wife into a gamer and a WoWer and now I converted my girlfriend into a
gamer.
28/05/2008 03:05:14 ‹Wyvern› Ha! True Majuba, no one here is going to say don't go.
28/05/2008 03:05:44 ‹Cloakedchaos› Daigle was devoured by Lilith I think.
28/05/2008 03:05:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› When my ex started playing with my group, she ended up breaking up the band . . .
gaming Yoko . . .
28/05/2008 03:05:58 ‹Sir Wulf› My wife's ex wouldn't let her game, so I don't dare leave her out...
28/05/2008 03:06:09 ‹Daigle› Perhaps
28/05/2008 03:06:09 ‹clight101› I've been saying I'm gonna go to GenCon for the last 4 years. This time I just made up my
mind and booked my hotel, got my badge and events and am going
28/05/2008 03:06:18 ‹cpt_kirstov› I WANT to go - but i'm not sure if I can swing the $ to go
28/05/2008 03:06:21 ‹Cloakedchaos› Ahhhh! The dead live!
28/05/2008 03:07:03 ‹Daigle› Last year was my first GenCon. I'm hooked.
28/05/2008 03:07:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I didn't feel "official" until I had my badge and my hotel room booked.
28/05/2008 03:07:26 ‹cpt_kirstov› also depends on if I can get the time off
28/05/2008 03:07:43 ‹clight101› I was so excited I decided to go to Origions for a warm up
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28/05/2008 03:07:50 ‹Wyvern› Can you get in without a badge? That is pay for entrance at the door?
28/05/2008 03:07:57 ‹Sir Wulf› I still haven't found a hotel room...
28/05/2008 03:08:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yes, its just more expensive that way.
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28/05/2008 03:08:19 ‹Wyvern› How much more? $20 bucks?
28/05/2008 03:08:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Can't remember off hand.
28/05/2008 03:08:38 ‹Tiger Dave› Hola
28/05/2008 03:08:47 ‹clight101› I was so mad at how fast the True dungeon filled up
28/05/2008 03:08:51 ‹cpt_kirstov› Wyvern, I think its 85 instead of 65 or something like that
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28/05/2008 03:09:12 ‹clight101› Luckily I got into one the next day when someones spot that was held expired
28/05/2008 03:09:12 ‹Wyvern› $20 bucks! I nailed it
28/05/2008 03:09:18 ‹Daigle› True Dungeon went fast!
28/05/2008 03:09:30 ‹cpt_kirstov› 75 instead of 65
28/05/2008 03:09:34 ‹Daigle› Our group was supposed to be twice as big, but we could only get 8 tickets.
28/05/2008 03:09:37 ‹cpt_kirstov› just looked it up
28/05/2008 03:09:46 ‹Absinth› Ahoy!
28/05/2008 03:09:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
28/05/2008 03:09:56 ‹Wyvern› If I go it will be a last minute thing. Getting flight and hotel a week before.
28/05/2008 03:10:05 ‹Wyvern› Thanks captain.
28/05/2008 03:10:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Anyone else signed up for the Ascent of the Drow event?
28/05/2008 03:10:18 ‹Daigle› You should do it Wyvern!
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28/05/2008 03:10:26 ‹clight101› I ffelt bad. I could only get one slot so the other three that are coming with me didn't get
in
28/05/2008 03:10:30 ‹clight101› I am Knight
28/05/2008 03:10:32 ‹yoda8myhead› is it worth it to go just Friday night through Sunday? I can't take off work
28/05/2008 03:10:39 ‹clight101› It looks awesome
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28/05/2008 03:10:53 ‹yoda8myhead› but it might depend on when my IRS refund comes through
28/05/2008 03:10:53 ‹Absinth› Hopefully James will come and doesn't attend SIFF tonight...
28/05/2008 03:10:55 ‹clight101› hey eyebite
28/05/2008 03:10:58 ‹Daigle› Howdy Eyebite!
28/05/2008 03:11:05 ‹yoda8myhead› SIFF?
28/05/2008 03:11:09 ‹Eyebite› Hey clight
28/05/2008 03:11:14 ‹cpt_kirstov› alright bed fr me..
28/05/2008 03:11:21 ‹Absinth› Seattle International Film Festival
28/05/2008 03:11:22 ‹yoda8myhead› g'night cap'n
28/05/2008 03:11:26 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Capt'n!
28/05/2008 03:11:27 ‹yoda8myhead› ah
28/05/2008 03:11:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Kirstov
28/05/2008 03:11:32 ‹clight101› night cpt
28/05/2008 03:11:38 ‹yoda8myhead› that might be why Nick said he'd be a little late
28/05/2008 03:11:53 ‹David› it is 11 after...
28/05/2008 03:12:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm trying to figure out how best to get into a vicious, backbiting mindset for the
event . . .
28/05/2008 03:12:11 ‹yoda8myhead› maybe he saw a 6:00 movie and is on his way home now?
28/05/2008 03:12:13 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 03:12:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› I may have to ask my ex for pointers . . .
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28/05/2008 03:12:26 ‹yoda8myhead› KEJ, for the chat?
28/05/2008 03:12:27 ‹clight101› lol
28/05/2008 03:12:28 ‹David› ha
28/05/2008 03:12:29 ‹Pygon› when I first started attending these chats Mr. Jacobs sometimes didn't show up until 15-30
minutes after
28/05/2008 03:12:35 ‹Tiger Dave› Knight - my thinking exactly
28/05/2008 03:12:41 ‹Rathendar› lol KEJ
28/05/2008 03:12:43 ‹clight101› then he goes for 2 hours thought
28/05/2008 03:12:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› No, just talking about the drow event at Gen Con
28/05/2008 03:13:05 ‹Tiger Dave› I've signed up for Ascent too
28/05/2008 03:13:20 ‹clight101› Neat thing is the outcome of the event will have an effect on a future pathfinder
28/05/2008 03:13:24 ‹yoda8myhead› I never find it hard to play CE
28/05/2008 03:13:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like you guys too much to back bite you . . .
28/05/2008 03:13:33 ‹Sir Wulf› vicious, backbiting? I save that for work.
28/05/2008 03:13:34 ‹yoda8myhead› just do whatever is in your best interest and screw everyone else and the rules
28/05/2008 03:13:40 ‹clight101› It's ok if it's RPing
28/05/2008 03:13:43 ‹Absinth› Yes, I guess he would've posted on the board if he can't make it tonight. He knows that ppl
are waiting for him and that germans are getting up at five in the morning just to read his ramblings...
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28/05/2008 03:14:16 ‹David› ramblings of a GOD!
28/05/2008 03:14:20 ‹David›
28/05/2008 03:14:23 ‹Absinth›
28/05/2008 03:14:46 ‹clight101› That's all any prophetic words are anyways. Ramblings that seem to make sense
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28/05/2008 03:15:07 ‹clight101› Ok, so how do you guys drop the icons
28/05/2008 03:15:15 ‹clight101› I don't know how
28/05/2008 03:15:15 ‹Wyvern› Hmm.. this is all voluntary. If they come, awesome and thank you sirs, but if they don't they
don't.
28/05/2008 03:15:24 ‹Pygon› click the gray smiley below
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28/05/2008 03:15:36 ‹clight101› thanks
28/05/2008 03:15:41 ‹David› Pygon ninjaed it
28/05/2008 03:15:44 ‹clight101›
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28/05/2008 03:15:47 ‹Sir Wulf› We were granted icons by the Great Old Ones!
28/05/2008 03:15:49 ‹clight101› yay
28/05/2008 03:16:02 ‹David› or you can type them too :night:
28/05/2008 03:16:09 ‹David›
28/05/2008 03:16:13 ‹Mr Baron› hello!
28/05/2008 03:16:16 ‹clight101› > than anyday
28/05/2008 03:16:21 ‹Pygon› hi Baron
28/05/2008 03:16:24 ‹Mr Baron›
28/05/2008 03:16:26 ‹David› see if i put the k in it works!
28/05/2008 03:16:28 ‹clight101› hey baron
28/05/2008 03:16:39 ‹Mr Baron› what's up?
28/05/2008 03:16:41 ‹David› knight totally beats dragon though
28/05/2008 03:16:42 ‹lojakz› hello everybody
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28/05/2008 03:17:00 ‹Pygon› hello lojakz
28/05/2008 03:17:03 ‹Absinth› Sure it's voluntary...
28/05/2008 03:17:04 ‹Blazej› :rock:, :paper:,
28/05/2008 03:17:06 ‹clight101› I concede the point to David
28/05/2008 03:17:12 ‹Mr Baron› dragon is very kewl though
28/05/2008 03:17:15 ‹Sir Wulf› We were granted icons by the Great Old Ones!
28/05/2008 03:18:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Darn wireless connection . . . that's what I get for connecting in the comfort of the
bedroom.
28/05/2008 03:18:14 ‹Absinth› Has anyone heard the Animalball Podcast with Jason? I'd like to listen to it on my way to
work, but I'm afraid the sound is as bad as the episode with James.
28/05/2008 03:18:42 ‹Wyvern› I have!
28/05/2008 03:18:44 ‹yoda8myhead› I liked the AnimalBall podcast
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28/05/2008 03:18:51 ‹lojakz› i listened to it. it was enjoyable, but i listened to it on the old compy.
28/05/2008 03:18:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› I listened to it. Its a little uneven, soundwise.
28/05/2008 03:18:54 ‹clight101› can someon link it
28/05/2008 03:19:02 ‹Wyvern› It's fun.
28/05/2008 03:19:25 ‹David› clight101, as you rightly should
28/05/2008 03:19:23 ‹Daigle› http://animalball.libsyn.com/
28/05/2008 03:19:27 ‹yoda8myhead› the whole time they are trying to get James to admit his hatred for WotC
28/05/2008 03:19:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› It was easier listening to it on my desktop than when I tried to listen to it on my MP3
player while I was walking.
28/05/2008 03:19:47 ‹clight101› thanks Daigle
28/05/2008 03:19:55 ‹Daigle› anytime
28/05/2008 03:19:57 ‹Absinth› Yeah, I guessed it would be fun. And if it doesn't sound so bad, then I'll have Jasons voice
in my head while riding on public transit...
28/05/2008 03:20:13 ‹yoda8myhead› James
28/05/2008 03:20:18 ‹yoda8myhead› not Jason
28/05/2008 03:20:28 ‹Daigle› I like that podcast. Their sound could be better, but the guys are good interviewers and the
cuss!
28/05/2008 03:20:57 ‹Absinth› But the last one is with Jason. The one with James was done a month or two ago..
28/05/2008 03:21:05 ‹Pygon› got that song stuck in my head. thanks yoda...
28/05/2008 03:21:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Darn it, Nick left, we could have asked him if he was picking up the gauntlet.
28/05/2008 03:21:06 ‹Sir Wulf› Jason James, the head of Oziap Games, makers of LostRoad Adventures?
28/05/2008 03:21:21 ‹Absinth› Yes, the guys are cool.
28/05/2008 03:21:26 ‹yoda8myhead› Pygon, I have no idea what you're talking about
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28/05/2008 03:21:46 ‹yoda8myhead› HEY!
28/05/2008 03:21:48 ‹yoda8myhead› there he is
28/05/2008 03:21:49 ‹Majuba› hi James!
28/05/2008 03:21:53 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
28/05/2008 03:21:57 ‹David› hey JAmes recently posted on the forum... and now hes here
28/05/2008 03:21:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› I feel a presense . . .
28/05/2008 03:21:57 ‹Mr Baron› hey James!
28/05/2008 03:22:03 ‹David› Hi James!
28/05/2008 03:22:03 ‹Pygon› hi James
28/05/2008 03:22:04 ‹clight101› hi James
28/05/2008 03:22:04 ‹yoda8myhead› welcome James
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28/05/2008 03:22:27 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy!
28/05/2008 03:22:34 ‹Daigle› Howdy Ico!! What's up!?
28/05/2008 03:22:38 ‹clight101› arr matey
28/05/2008 03:22:39 ‹Absinth› Hey James!
28/05/2008 03:22:41 ‹cappadocius› Hello Mr. Jacobs!
28/05/2008 03:22:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hi James . . . hi Icon . . .
28/05/2008 03:22:51 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... laggy.
28/05/2008 03:22:56 ‹Sir Wulf› Evenin' Doc.
28/05/2008 03:22:57 ‹yoda8myhead› so what's on the agenda tonight James?
28/05/2008 03:23:01 ‹Absinth›
28/05/2008 03:23:05 ‹Pygon› yeah, hopefully it stays workable
28/05/2008 03:23:10 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah, it's bad tonight
28/05/2008 03:23:10 ‹lojakz› greetings james
28/05/2008 03:23:12 ‹Absinth› Have you been to SIFF tonight?
28/05/2008 03:23:16 ‹James Jacobs› Right now? My HAMBURGER is on the agenda.
28/05/2008 03:23:20 ‹IconoclasticScream› Hey Daigle
28/05/2008 03:23:26 ‹yoda8myhead› mmm
28/05/2008 03:23:29 ‹David› mmm hamburger...
28/05/2008 03:23:38 ‹Sir Wulf› Hmmm. Burgers...
28/05/2008 03:23:39 ‹lojakz› HURRAY FOR HAMBURGER!!!
28/05/2008 03:23:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I've had so many hamburgers and brats this weekend . . .
28/05/2008 03:23:49 ‹Absinth› I'm more into breakfast right now...
28/05/2008 03:23:52 ‹David› ever wonder why they arent beefburgers?
28/05/2008 03:23:53 ‹Blazej› Are you using the agenda as a plate or ....
28/05/2008 03:23:55 ‹James Jacobs› I abandoned my SIFF movie tonight. I shoudn'ta bought tickets for a 6:30 show anyway,
since there was no way to get there on time without bailing TOO early from work (like at 5:00...)
28/05/2008 03:23:56 * Majuba had too many hamburgers yesterday during game
28/05/2008 03:24:37 ‹yoda8myhead› what movie was it to be?
28/05/2008 03:24:42 ‹Absinth› Oh, that's bad. What movie did you have tickets for?
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28/05/2008 03:25:26 ‹James Jacobs› The movie I missed tonight was "Mongol," which it looks like is going to have a
legitimate wide release here soon anyway, so it's not like most of the other movies I'll be seeing, that may NEVER hit
theaters here.
28/05/2008 03:25:32 ‹Eyebite› *chat is working finally and posts are now visible, keeps fingers crossed it continues to
work*
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28/05/2008 03:25:43 ‹Daigle› Howdy Joey
28/05/2008 03:25:49 ‹yoda8myhead› I really liked Mongol
28/05/2008 03:25:51 ‹yoda8myhead› shame you missed it
28/05/2008 03:25:52 ‹Pygon› hope you had a mildly restful holiday
28/05/2008 03:25:54 ‹clight101› hey joey
28/05/2008 03:26:00 ‹James Jacobs› Mother of Tears, for example, probably won't be showing in the USA, alas. And if it WERE
it would be pretty severely edited down to be R, I suspect.
28/05/2008 03:26:08 ‹James Jacobs› I'll be seeing Mongol soon enough... no wories!
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28/05/2008 03:26:19 ‹Absinth› Hopefully. Mongol seems to be the most interesting of the movies on the list.
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28/05/2008 03:26:27 ‹Joey Virtue› Can people see me?
28/05/2008 03:26:35 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Joey!
28/05/2008 03:26:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yes, yes I can
28/05/2008 03:26:37 ‹Absinth› I see you, Joey!
28/05/2008 03:26:38 ‹clight101› yup
28/05/2008 03:26:39 ‹Pygon› I do
28/05/2008 03:26:44 ‹Daigle› I can see you
28/05/2008 03:26:45 ‹Justin Sluder› Nope, we can't see you Joey.
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28/05/2008 03:26:57 ‹David› i dont see youJoey Virtue
28/05/2008 03:27:00 ‹Absinth› But I didn't saw you entering...
28/05/2008 03:27:01 ‹Daigle› Hey paul
28/05/2008 03:27:02 ‹Joey Virtue› damm this computer hates this site
28/05/2008 03:27:14 ‹Pygon› running IE?
28/05/2008 03:27:19 ‹Joey Virtue› hey finally on
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28/05/2008 03:27:40 ‹paul› hey
28/05/2008 03:27:40 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah all i have is IE and i have a 56 k modem that conncest at 26k
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28/05/2008 03:27:45 ‹Eyebite› I have IE, and it causes endless problems here.
28/05/2008 03:27:51 ‹yoda8myhead› If you go here http://www.smouch.net/lol/ Joey, it should fix all your problems
28/05/2008 03:28:00 ‹Pygon› since I'v eswitched to Firefox, I've had a much better time here, FYI
28/05/2008 03:28:05 ‹David› or not
28/05/2008 03:28:06 ‹Absinth› Hey Paul
28/05/2008 03:28:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Now I'm going to have to google some movies so I know what's going on.
28/05/2008 03:28:12 ‹Pygon› Joey. don't.
28/05/2008 03:28:24 ‹Joey Virtue› dont plan on it
28/05/2008 03:28:26 ‹David› i still prrefer Opera
28/05/2008 03:28:31 ‹lojakz› yeah, firefox isn't as laggy
28/05/2008 03:28:48 ‹Pygon› did you have a restful holiday James?
28/05/2008 03:29:05 ‹Joey Virtue› So now that apaha 3 is out looks like james had a heavy hand in the bard
28/05/2008 03:29:30 ‹Eyebite› Ack, I've been Rick Roll'd
28/05/2008 03:29:38 ‹Pygon› at least they aren't utterly useless in silence anymore
28/05/2008 03:29:44 ‹yoda8myhead› oh yeah!!
28/05/2008 03:29:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› I know my bard player e-mailed me to rave about it . . .
28/05/2008 03:30:07 ‹paul› hi absinth, Daigle, sorry lag
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28/05/2008 03:30:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› He can't wait to get back from vacation to give it a test run.
28/05/2008 03:30:40 ‹Pygon› yoda, look what you did.
28/05/2008 03:30:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› I think everyone has to timeout once in here tonight . . .
28/05/2008 03:30:49 ‹Joey Virtue› James will there be a book of Pathfinder prestige classes a player and i got in a fight
that pathfinder made pretige classes obselte
28/05/2008 03:31:01 ‹Absinth› Ahhh! Rick Astley at five in the morning! You ppl are so cruel!
28/05/2008 03:31:03 ‹Eyebite› I knew it was a trick, I just didn't know it would be this bad
28/05/2008 03:31:24 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> It was restful... but it wasn't really a holiday since I was at work all weekend +
Monday getting Pathfinder 13 rolling.
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28/05/2008 03:31:34 ‹James Jacobs› I'm pretty happy, I THINK, with the PF Bard. I think. Haven't had a chance to try it out
yet.
28/05/2008 03:31:36 ‹Sir Wulf› The dread ritual of Ctr'l Eff'ive
28/05/2008 03:32:00 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> Pathfinder does NOT make prestige clases obsolete, at all.
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28/05/2008 03:32:02 ‹Pygon› some rest is better than none I guess. Ramble on!
28/05/2008 03:32:18 ‹Daigle› I've gotta run for a few minutes. Everyone behave.
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28/05/2008 03:32:31 ‹James Jacobs› The point is, the base classes SHOULD be cool all the way to 20th level. A prestige
class, in my opinion, is something you take to specialize out in really flavorful or unusual areas.
28/05/2008 03:32:36 ‹yoda8myhead› If you're working now on PF13, is it safe to assume that the rest of CotCT is in the bag?
28/05/2008 03:32:37 ‹Sir Wulf› Behave how?
28/05/2008 03:32:56 * Wyvern agrees with James.
28/05/2008 03:33:02 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Nope. It just means that Pathfinder 12 is no longer in development, but now in
editing and layout.
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28/05/2008 03:33:08 ‹lojakz› i'm really liking the classes over all
28/05/2008 03:33:12 ‹Mr Baron› Any thing you can share with is on AP4?
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28/05/2008 03:33:28 ‹Rathendar› wb joey, you missed your answers )
28/05/2008 03:33:30 ‹James Jacobs› Normally, I'd be involved in that stage of things, but since we're comgin up on a hard
deadline for Gen Con... I don't have the luxury of seeing Pathfinder 12 all the way through to the end.
28/05/2008 03:33:30 ‹lojakz› i certainly wish my games hadn't all disolved so i could do some more playtesting
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28/05/2008 03:33:41 ‹Eyebite› *sheds the Rick Astley*
28/05/2008 03:33:50 ‹Russ› Some of that won't really be fixable; the base classes are "less cool" once you've done them
before
28/05/2008 03:34:33 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 is currently code-named "GENIE WAR." It'll be set in Katapesh and in Osirion. Beyond
that... things are still up in the air.
28/05/2008 03:34:40 ‹yoda8myhead› sorry Eyebite
28/05/2008 03:34:47 ‹Russ› Yay, Osirion
28/05/2008 03:35:00 ‹Pygon› genie war... shades of Desert of Desolation?
28/05/2008 03:35:05 ‹lojakz› James>Genie war... i know that's a code name but... HELL YEAH
28/05/2008 03:35:07 ‹Eyebite› lol nah yoda, it was pretty sweet. I will have to share the love with someone else . . .
28/05/2008 03:35:13 ‹yoda8myhead› why the decision to change from Cheliax?
28/05/2008 03:35:18 ‹Majuba› I just ran half of "Entombed with the Pharaohs" last night - to good reviews
28/05/2008 03:35:18 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... I'm hoping that PF prestige classes will be "prestigious" and not just
cobbled-together fixes for boring high level base classes.
28/05/2008 03:35:25 ‹lojakz› So you have Wolfgang Baur writing some articles or one of the adventures for it?
28/05/2008 03:35:36 ‹clight101› James > A friend of mine asked if the Beta was a free PDF download or if there was a cost
associated with it? I know there will be soft cover Beta books just wasn't sure about PDF
28/05/2008 03:35:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Interesting
28/05/2008 03:35:42 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Desert of Desolation is certainly a source of inspiration. And Wolf Baur will
certainly be involved with it.
28/05/2008 03:35:50 ‹Eyebite› I think Entombed is the best GM/PF module out to date. Totally looking forward to more
Osirion
28/05/2008 03:35:55 ‹Russ› The cobbled together ones don't bug me as much as the completely game breaking ones
28/05/2008 03:36:05 ‹Blazej› What about prestige classes that support multi-classing combinations?
28/05/2008 03:36:11 * Majuba agrees with Russ.
28/05/2008 03:36:13 ‹David› yoda8myhead, chelixs is a better intro to PRPG
28/05/2008 03:36:23 ‹Joey Virtue› i asked a question about a prestige class book because my and one of my best players got n
an arguement that PRPG made pretige obselete
28/05/2008 03:36:26 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> We decided to put off Cheliax until AP 5, so that way it debuts along side of
Pathfinder RPG. The Cheliax AP is a lot more "standard D&D" type stuff, and it wasn't a good thing to do something more
strange and exotic to go along with the launch of the new rules.
28/05/2008 03:36:28 ‹Russ› Blazej - wouldn't it be nice if the core rules supported a fighter/wizard WITHOUT needing a
prestige class?
28/05/2008 03:36:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Genie war reminds me of Calim and Memnon fighting in Calimshan . . .
28/05/2008 03:36:37 ‹Mr Baron› Entombed was excellent
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28/05/2008 03:36:49 ‹Joey Virtue› shit
28/05/2008 03:36:51 ‹Rathendar› Cheliax's waspsuhed back to coincide with the final RPG setting book's actual release right?
28/05/2008 03:36:57 ‹Blazej› Russ, I would love that.
28/05/2008 03:37:02 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> The Beta rules will be a free download, yes. If you want to buy the softcover,
you can (doing so will be cheeper than printing out a color copy on most printers, btw).
28/05/2008 03:37:06 ‹Blazej› Correction.
28/05/2008 03:37:11 ‹Blazej› Russ, I would love that.
28/05/2008 03:37:19 ‹clight101› Awesome
28/05/2008 03:37:19 ‹Absinth› It was stated several times that you guys at Paizo don't have time to play regulary. But how
can you develop stuff for a system you don't play; especially Jason, who's reimagening the rules...
28/05/2008 03:37:30 ‹Joey Virtue› anyne see me?
28/05/2008 03:37:40 ‹Blazej› I see you Joey.
28/05/2008 03:37:42 ‹Absinth› This shouldn't sound provocative. My apologies if it does.
28/05/2008 03:37:44 ‹yoda8myhead› I see you
28/05/2008 03:37:44 ‹Majuba› yes Joey.
28/05/2008 03:37:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hi Joey
28/05/2008 03:37:47 ‹Eyebite› I see you Joey
28/05/2008 03:37:48 ‹David› Joey Virtue, not at all
28/05/2008 03:37:49 ‹Rathendar› yes joey. you dropped when he answered it
28/05/2008 03:37:51 ‹clight101› I see you joey
28/05/2008 03:38:08 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Stuff like the mystic theurge and the eldritch knight are interesting... but the
point of multiclass is basically to sacrifice being bad-ass in one class to be not quite as bad-ass in two classes. That's
more or less the way it HAS to work.
28/05/2008 03:38:21 ‹Joey Virtue› now i see me
28/05/2008 03:38:26 ‹Timitius› Peekaboo! I see you!
28/05/2008 03:38:32 ‹Joey Virtue› so what will 4 be then if 5 will be chelex?
28/05/2008 03:38:32 ‹David› hsa
28/05/2008 03:38:34 ‹David› ha
28/05/2008 03:38:48 * David curses typpos yet again
28/05/2008 03:38:58 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> We'll be playing PLENTY of the Pathfinder game once the Beta rules are ready to
go, never fear!
28/05/2008 03:39:01 * David curses typos more
28/05/2008 03:39:06 ‹Rathendar› genie war - initial codename
28/05/2008 03:39:13 ‹James Jacobs› The alpha rules were more or less a working document to build up the beta.
28/05/2008 03:39:14 ‹yoda8myhead› will the change of setting affect Elaine's involvement, or was she brought on to write PF
Journal independent of the Cheliax setting?
28/05/2008 03:39:16 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, I understand that. I just rather the space that would be used for generic
multiclassing prestige classes be used for other stuff.
28/05/2008 03:39:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› And when you figure that later books made Eldritch Knights that were even more "bad
ass" than that class allows them to be . . .
28/05/2008 03:39:28 ‹Russ› I agree there, James, but a 10th level fighter/10th level wizard SUCKS under 3.5E, whereas a 10
level fighter/10th level rogue doesn't. Issue with the core rules.
28/05/2008 03:39:32 ‹cappadocius› How the heck did I navigate out of here??
28/05/2008 03:39:51 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, AP 4 is gonna be set in Katapesh & Osirion and will involve genies.
28/05/2008 03:40:08 ‹David› cappadocius, are you trying to LEAVE?!?
28/05/2008 03:40:08 ‹Absinth› James, are you looking forward to it? It would drive me nuts to work with a game all day and
night and having no time to play it myself.
28/05/2008 03:40:17 ‹Mr Baron› City of Brass flavor?
28/05/2008 03:40:26 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm curious what the pitch was that drew elaine aboard?
28/05/2008 03:40:30 ‹Joey Virtue› Im just wondering with how much more powerful the prestige classes will be with the core
increase
28/05/2008 03:40:40 ‹yoda8myhead› James, along the same lines as Absinth's question, when you run or play AP's from Dungeon,
doesn't everyone know all the secrets?
28/05/2008 03:40:44 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> The change doesn't affect Elaine's involvement at all. She's pretty excited about
doing some Osirion/Katapesh stuff. It's gonna be cool to see some Pathfinder Society action doing some Indiana Jones type
stuff, in other words...
28/05/2008 03:41:02 ‹Russ› Joey - they SHOULD stay the same, so that prestige classing is no longer a no-brainer
28/05/2008 03:41:16 * Sir Wulf dusts off his fedora...
28/05/2008 03:41:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm SO stoked to see Elaine's work . . . I've been really disappointed that she was
very much underutilized in 3e Realms.
28/05/2008 03:41:34 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> A 10th level fighter/10th level wizard sucks if he's trying to be a fighter or a
wizard, sure... but he's pretty cool if you find the right role that combo implies WITHOUT trying to ape being a fighter or
a wizard.
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28/05/2008 03:42:19 ‹James Jacobs› Sir Wulf> As far as I know... Elaine was looking for somthing like Pathfinder at about
the time we were looking for someone like Elaine. It was a classic case of perfect timing on both our parts, I suspect.
28/05/2008 03:42:23 ‹Russ› I'd argue nearly any party is better without a multi-classed caster on board.
28/05/2008 03:42:33 ‹Sir Wulf› Good to hear!
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28/05/2008 03:42:46 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Of course I'm looking forward to it! I can't WAIT to either play a bard, or to
fire up a PF RPG verison of Merisiel and see how that pans out!
28/05/2008 03:42:48 ‹Russ› I'm not so worried about the lack of higher-level magic, but the lack of caster level is
absolutely crippling when balanced agains the rest of the party.
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28/05/2008 03:43:06 ‹Absinth› I see you, Joey!
28/05/2008 03:43:07 ‹Timitius› Um...I have to ask...Elaine?? What the hell did I miss last week???
28/05/2008 03:43:20 ‹Rathendar› cunningham
28/05/2008 03:43:21 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> I'm not sure the base classes are as powerful as everyone seems to think they are,
honestly...
28/05/2008 03:43:25 ‹Pygon› Elaine Cunningham will be writing PF fiction
28/05/2008 03:43:40 ‹Russ› They aren't that much more powerful, having done some PF play already
28/05/2008 03:43:55 ‹Daigle› back!
28/05/2008 03:44:03 ‹Timitius›
28/05/2008 03:44:03 ‹James Jacobs› Multi-class characters REALLY shine in small parties that don't have all the bases
covered, honestly. Once you get 5 or more players... you shouldn't be multiclassing unless you know what you're doing.
28/05/2008 03:44:13 ‹yoda8myhead› I hope we get an Eando Kline statblock at the end of his adventures, as a way of wrapping
up the character
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28/05/2008 03:44:43 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Not if you focus on spells that don't matter about caster levels. You'd basically
have to focus on defensive or buff spells, really.
28/05/2008 03:44:56 ‹clight101› Favorite Eando moment so far. Diving out of the red mantis lair and turning to bow before
running away
28/05/2008 03:45:02 ‹Russ› Not even buffs. The spells are too trivial to dispel.
28/05/2008 03:45:06 ‹Timitius› Unless you're Mike McArtor, and then multiclassing is just a way to pass the time until your
character is killed.
28/05/2008 03:45:07 ‹Absinth› Will there be a new character for the PF journal once the APs are leaving Varisia?
28/05/2008 03:45:19 ‹James Jacobs› Dispel magic is certainly an issue.
28/05/2008 03:45:30 ‹yoda8myhead› yes, Absinth
28/05/2008 03:45:31 ‹James Jacobs› But not every monster you fight is gonna have dispel magic.
28/05/2008 03:45:33 * Daigle is a chronic multi-classer
28/05/2008 03:45:35 * Timitius looks around to see if Mike is in-room.....
28/05/2008 03:45:45 ‹Russ› Anyhow, the issue I see is that it is nearly 100% effective to multiclass in a non-casting class.
Why is it considered "good design" that only the pure casting classes suck to mc with?
28/05/2008 03:45:45 ‹yoda8myhead› Eando will only go until PF18
28/05/2008 03:45:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Mike is never in room
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28/05/2008 03:46:08 ‹James Jacobs› In any event... a 10/10 split isn't a good choice for a fighter/caster. And honestly, I'm
not sure that's a problem.
28/05/2008 03:46:09 ‹Hill Giant› Russ, Magic requires more focus?
28/05/2008 03:46:17 ‹Absinth› Poor Eando, I'll be missing him...
28/05/2008 03:46:34 ‹Russ› I'm pretty sure it IS a problem that ftr/brb/rgr works fine but clr or wiz or druid or sorc and
anything stink if you do more than dip.
28/05/2008 03:46:37 ‹James Jacobs› And if it IS a problem... it's Jason's problem for now. I can't spare much of the
brainpower thinking much about that stuff until, at the earliest, the 14th.
28/05/2008 03:46:38 ‹yoda8myhead› we'll get someone new...written by Elaine!
28/05/2008 03:46:39 ‹clight101› James > Are you guys going to change Dispel magic at all. It's the one spell that seems to
mess things up as far as pace goes in ym games
28/05/2008 03:47:03 ‹Russ› There's a reason you see so many fighter mutts
28/05/2008 03:47:17 ‹Blazej› 2014?
28/05/2008 03:47:27 ‹Russ› And that's that they aren't penalized at all for multiclassing. PF will actually reward dipping
in things like ranger even more than core does, too
28/05/2008 03:47:44 ‹Absinth› James, will you play on Golarion when you have time to game again or do you continue your
homebrew?
28/05/2008 03:47:45 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> I'm not sure. I'd love to change Dispel Magic so that it works less cludgy,
and is easier to handle. I've got some ideas on how to do that, but I'm not gonna try to put them in play until later. I
wanna see if what Jason's doing with the Beta works first.
28/05/2008 03:48:29 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Golarion. And honestly, the difference between my homebrew and Golarion at this
point is pretty much just a different shaped map and different proper nouns.
28/05/2008 03:48:32 ‹Absinth› I hope Dispel Magic gets a serious overhaul.
28/05/2008 03:48:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› I am a little worried that nearly every spell will end up tinkered with, to be honest.
I know some things need to be addressed, but I guess I just want to know that some things are the same.
28/05/2008 03:48:47 ‹Russ› As long as it is still useful.
28/05/2008 03:49:08 ‹Joey Virtue› So when will we know the Pathfinder RPG book schedule? after the final?
28/05/2008 03:49:15 * Fray joins Main
28/05/2008 03:49:21 ‹clight101› I agree Knight. I just think Dispel Magic could be revamped a bit kinda like polymorph
28/05/2008 03:49:22 ‹Russ› But targeted dispel is just a game-killer, area dispel nut much better
28/05/2008 03:49:27 ‹James Jacobs› Not every spell will be tinkered with. Also... I suspect that whatever ends up in the
Beta will be MORE tinkered than the final. As in... there will be some parts that we will doubtless decide to ramp back.
28/05/2008 03:49:41 ‹Wyvern› It's funny how people wants some things to change badly but at the same time if something else
gets changed then it's not compatible anymore.
28/05/2008 03:49:44 ‹James Jacobs› More to the point... we don't have TIME to tinker with every spell.
28/05/2008 03:49:48 ‹Absinth› I'm with you, Knight & Russ, but DM has always been on my Top 5 list of spells needing a
revision.
28/05/2008 03:49:50 ‹Russ› Please not like polymorph. The "new" polymorph is annoying enough, if dispel magic becomes 20
spells I'm dropping PF.
28/05/2008 03:49:59 ‹James Jacobs› And even MORE to the point... the majority of the spells aer fine the way they are.
28/05/2008 03:50:10 ‹Absinth› Hi Fray
28/05/2008 03:50:15 ‹clight101› agreed James
28/05/2008 03:50:15 ‹James Jacobs› There's no reason dispel magic should become 20 spells. That's ridiculous.
28/05/2008 03:50:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good to know James
28/05/2008 03:50:31 ‹Fray› Hey gang
28/05/2008 03:50:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› ::About the most spells being fine that is::
28/05/2008 03:50:32 * Majuba waves goodnight - thanks for all the fish!
28/05/2008 03:50:35 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah DM is one of the best utlitarian spells in the game
28/05/2008 03:50:38 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> The final PF RPG book will be released at Gen Con 2009, I believe.
28/05/2008 03:50:42 ‹Fray› is paizo.com down for anyone else?
28/05/2008 03:51:00 ‹Eyebite› Nope
28/05/2008 03:51:06 * Russ hopes animated shields get kicked to the curb, along with any ability that lets you use a shield
without hands
28/05/2008 03:51:09 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah i knw the final will be i mean the books after the final
28/05/2008 03:51:13 ‹James Jacobs› Paizo comes up fine for me, Fray...
28/05/2008 03:51:13 ‹Daigle› Hey there Fray!
28/05/2008 03:51:17 ‹Daigle› ...and nope
28/05/2008 03:51:22 ‹Joey Virtue› MM prestige class books
28/05/2008 03:51:29 ‹yoda8myhead› James, along the same lines as Absinth's earlier question, when you run or play AP's from
Dungeon, doesn't everyone know all the secrets?
28/05/2008 03:51:43 ‹Timitius› Russ: What about a feat to hold a shield in your teeth??
28/05/2008 03:51:48 * Majuba quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 03:51:59 ‹Russ› Knowing the content of a module is a lot less an impediment to fun than people think
28/05/2008 03:52:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Timitius, that's asking for a set of dentures
28/05/2008 03:52:08 ‹Blazej› Russ hates limbless characters.
28/05/2008 03:52:12 ‹Pygon› that would require a Con or Dex check (whatever is higher) to avoid losing a tooth when you
block
28/05/2008 03:52:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I've started Shackled City as a player about three times, and had fun each
time
28/05/2008 03:52:17 ‹Blazej› No sheilds for you.
28/05/2008 03:52:20 ‹Timitius› Ooh! Wonderous item!!
28/05/2008 03:52:22 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I doubt you'll see animated shields going away. There are some folk who love them.
And kicking things to the curb isn't the philosophy of the PF RPG, really... it's egotistical to assume that just because we
or one person hates something that it's bad for the game and that excluding it would strengthen the game.
28/05/2008 03:52:25 ‹Joey Virtue› Im glad combat feats are gone
28/05/2008 03:52:28 ‹Russ› I'm also hoping we finally see a change that you can wield only one weapon at a time unless
you're willing to take two-weapon penalties
28/05/2008 03:52:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Knowing what was coming.
28/05/2008 03:52:30 ‹James Jacobs› The game is not just for us. It's for everyone.
28/05/2008 03:52:35 ‹Eyebite› Or strapping a shield to your chest and receiving full benefits from using it, while leaving
your hands free to fight?
28/05/2008 03:52:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, yes, but I hate things being spoiled as a player, and would hate it even more as a
DM trying to run it knowing the players knew everything
28/05/2008 03:53:03 ‹Russ› Eh, dispel magic and poly just makes me think of other pain-in-the-ass things like animated
shields and anti-magic
28/05/2008 03:53:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah James, that comment was so worth hearing . . . and probably why I'm with Paizo right
now . . .
28/05/2008 03:53:14 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
28/05/2008 03:53:22 ‹Daigle› Craig!
28/05/2008 03:53:29 * Tiger Dave quit (timeout)
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28/05/2008 03:53:31 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> I take it from your name you are a fan of Star Wars. Does watching Star Wars more
than once make it any less enjoyable? By the same token, playing in a D&D adventrue that you've played in before (or edited,
or wrote) is still fun. It's a different kind of fun.
28/05/2008 03:53:33 ‹Russ› (the change in wielding being so that people don't all equip +5 defending spiked guantlets and
leave them on defense all the time)
28/05/2008 03:53:36 ‹Timitius› Mounting shields onto a codpiece extension?
28/05/2008 03:54:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› Adam!
28/05/2008 03:54:11 * lojakz changes his/her nickname to lojakz is afk
28/05/2008 03:54:34 ‹Hill Giant› Russ: I would say you have to actually weild the weapon to get any bonuses (even defense
bonuses)
28/05/2008 03:54:41 * Daigle runs in slow-mo across the chatroom towards Craig.
28/05/2008 03:54:48 ‹Daigle›
28/05/2008 03:54:57 * Pygon plays Chariots of Fire
28/05/2008 03:54:58 ‹James Jacobs› I've played (as a player and as a GM) temple of elemental evil several times. Each time
it was fun, because each time the game developed differently. To me, the interplay of the players is just as exciting and
fun as exploring the game's plot.
28/05/2008 03:55:03 * Hill Giant has baywatch flashbacks
28/05/2008 03:55:10 * David sticks out foot in normal time
28/05/2008 03:55:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I'd like to say that you guys are doing a really good job of not just making a
setting that feels like "old school" Greyhawk, but that actually feels pretty homey to FR refugees as well. I just got the
Gaz and it really reinforces this feeling that I've had about the setting.
28/05/2008 03:55:22 * Daigle trips.
28/05/2008 03:55:27 ‹yoda8myhead› James, that's a good point, but I find that playing D&D and watching a movie are entirely
different. It's the interactive part that makes it so much more engrossing, and if I know what's coming it's much harder to
suspend disbelief and remain in character
28/05/2008 03:55:36 * David laughs
28/05/2008 03:55:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› Where did this field of flowers come from?
28/05/2008 03:55:58 ‹Daigle› I don't know, but they taste fine.
28/05/2008 03:56:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› I have been cursed with lag.
28/05/2008 03:56:10 ‹David› uh...the internet?
28/05/2008 03:56:33 ‹James Jacobs› Suspending disbelief and separating player knowledge from character knowledge is
certainly a skill you have to master if you find yourself in that situation.
28/05/2008 03:56:34 ‹Timitius› I know a gypsy that can take care of that.....
28/05/2008 03:56:35 ‹Eyebite› The curse of lag is upon us all
28/05/2008 03:57:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Scribe, Nick told us tonight that you have written one of the PFS adventures. Congrats on
your first Pathfinder credit!
28/05/2008 03:57:14 ‹James Jacobs› Think of it as a play. The actors in a play do the same lines every time, but any actor
will tell you that EVERY performance of a play they're in is very, very different. Same thing applies to RPGs wherein you
already know the adventure.
28/05/2008 03:57:17 ‹Joey Virtue› So james how far out do u plan out and announce books
28/05/2008 03:57:28 ‹clight101› To add to Knights Point I also feel you guys have done a great job of capturing cinematic
action, adventure, and the plots of our favorite movie genere's and brough them to the game table
28/05/2008 03:57:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Thanks yoda8myhead!
28/05/2008 03:57:52 * BM joins Main
28/05/2008 03:58:05 ‹Joey Virtue› because there i not much after august besides the path and modules
28/05/2008 03:58:17 ‹clight101› congradualtions scribe. That's awesome
28/05/2008 03:58:26 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> that's actually relatively easy, since FR and Greyhawk are actually pretty close,
thematically. They're both "classic" D&D. With Golarion, we're trying to do something totally different from both of those,
but at the same time something that feels like "Classic" D&D, so by definition it should be an easy sell to fans of FR and
Greyhawk. And to Mystara fans too.
28/05/2008 03:58:57 ‹Joey Virtue› mystara really?
28/05/2008 03:59:12 ‹yoda8myhead› will we see Mystara-influenced races, like my favorite, the Rakasta?
28/05/2008 03:59:14 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> It's best to be about a year out from a book's release date, I've found, to start
planning.
28/05/2008 03:59:35 ‹Joey Virtue› when do u guys announce it?
28/05/2008 03:59:38 ‹James Jacobs› And yeah... Mystara/The Known World is absolutely classic D&D!
28/05/2008 03:59:42 ‹yoda8myhead› So you know what's coming Q1 and Q2 of 09?
28/05/2008 04:00:05 ‹Joey Virtue› what about q4 of 08
28/05/2008 04:00:12 ‹David› whats next tell us now!...please?
28/05/2008 04:00:24 ‹yoda8myhead› we know Q4 of 08
28/05/2008 04:00:25 ‹James Jacobs› We generally announce a book when we have to send the solicitations to the book trade.
Which happens 4 times a year, so depending on when a book's releasing, it may be anounced anywhere from like four to eight
months before release.
28/05/2008 04:00:33 * lojakz is afk changes his/her nickname to lojakz
28/05/2008 04:00:53 ‹James Jacobs› ANd yeah. I do indeed have a pretty good idea of what's coming all the way through 2009.
At the very least, through the first half. And I"m pretty sure I know what's coming till 2010 for Pathfinder itself.
28/05/2008 04:00:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, with the Gods and Magic book coming out, is the feeling to put out spells that
"fill gaps" or to put out spells that are similar to what exists, but have different "flavor." While I have liked some of
the "fill in the gap spells" in later 3.5, some have felt like they are fixing things that were features, rather than
problems.
28/05/2008 04:01:02 * Pygon quit (timeout)
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28/05/2008 04:01:36 ‹Joey Virtue› What is planed for q4
28/05/2008 04:01:43 ‹Joey Virtue› wher can i find that
28/05/2008 04:01:48 ‹James Jacobs› I don't want to tell too much. Because that creates false expectations. Talking up the
Cheliax adventrue path as AP4, for example, when that wasn't set in stone...
28/05/2008 04:01:53 ‹Absinth› Joey, Guide to Absalom
28/05/2008 04:01:55 * paul quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 04:02:14 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Into the Darklands, and the sequel adventure to Entombed with the Pharoahs.
28/05/2008 04:02:21 ‹Pygon› yay, big cities
28/05/2008 04:02:31 ‹Joey Virtue› darklands is in july august right?
28/05/2008 04:02:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Darklands is in November, I believe
28/05/2008 04:02:51 ‹Absinth› I'm soooo looking forward to all these books...
28/05/2008 04:02:59 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Gods and Magic's first goal is to present lots of info on our core 20 gods, as
many of our other gods as we can fit, and then round that out with spells that are there for flavor, more than "filling
gaps."
4:03:09 ‹James Jacobs› Into the Darklands is October or November.
28/05/2008 04:03:15 ‹Absinth› Will the PF Companion line be books only?
28/05/2008 04:03:22 ‹yoda8myhead› so it's a Divine book rather than Arcane magic?
28/05/2008 04:03:26 ‹James Jacobs› Which is good, because neither Greg nor I have started writing it yet...
28/05/2008 04:03:33 ‹Pygon› hehe
28/05/2008 04:03:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I had heard that Eric Boyd was working on the FR books for WOTC, but since he is
a freelancer, have you talked to him about working on any Pathfinder material?
28/05/2008 04:03:55 ‹Pygon› preferably November then :)
28/05/2008 04:03:57 ‹James Jacobs› It's about gods. Clerics will therefore find more use out of the book, but more than
clerics worship gods. There will be arcane magic in there as well.
28/05/2008 04:03:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, and thanks for the answers so far . . . sorry about the rapid fire questions . . .
28/05/2008 04:04:01 ‹Absinth› Greg Vaughan will co-author Into the Darklands?
28/05/2008 04:04:14 ‹James Jacobs› The Companion line will be 32 page booklets, like the modules.
28/05/2008 04:04:26 ‹James Jacobs› yup; Into the Darklands is gonna be written by me and Greg Vaughan.
28/05/2008 04:05:01 ‹Absinth› Woohoo! That's a cool team! I expect the book to be amazing! :)
28/05/2008 04:05:07 ‹James Jacobs› KnightErrantJR> We have indeed talked with Eric a bit about Pathfinder stuff. In fact, I
believe we've DONE some stuff with him already, haven't we?
28/05/2008 04:05:28 ‹Absinth› For PF?
28/05/2008 04:05:28 ‹yoda8myhead› not that's been released
28/05/2008 04:05:31 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Right! I think he wrote some of the Shoanti article that'll be appearing in
Pathfinder 10.
28/05/2008 04:05:50 ‹yoda8myhead› I thought that was Mike "Ask a Shoanti" Kortes
28/05/2008 04:05:58 ‹James Jacobs› It's sometimes hard to keep track of what's been released and what hasn't been.
28/05/2008 04:06:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› That is great . . . I've missed seeing his stuff lately . . .
28/05/2008 04:06:08 ‹James Jacobs› Mike wrote Pathfinder 10's adventure and part of the Shoanti article.
28/05/2008 04:06:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› I must admit, I'm still getting caught up on my PF stuff, and I've been starting with
the campaign world stuff more than the APs thus far.
28/05/2008 04:07:09 ‹Absinth› Will Genie Wars have an Arabian Nights kind of flavour?
28/05/2008 04:07:19 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> probably not.
28/05/2008 04:07:19 ‹Daigle› Did Greg V's Istivin stuff help you choose him for the Darklands stuff?
28/05/2008 04:07:57 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> But maybe. Again... we haven't even started outlining the adventure yet. That
happens, I hope, starting on the 17th of June...
28/05/2008 04:07:58 ‹Pygon› It will be nice to get PF 13 so I can start reading them again...
28/05/2008 04:08:07 ‹Absinth› Can you tell what kind of flavour you're aiming at then?
28/05/2008 04:08:19 ‹Fray› paizo.com still not coming up for me... :( :poo:
28/05/2008 04:08:33 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> yes... but also the fact that he wrote some of the Drow book for WotC, and that
he's an awesome author whose take on what's cool in the game is VERY close to my own take. He and I see eye-to-eye on most
things D&D related.
28/05/2008 04:08:40 ‹Eyebite› It will be interesting to see Paizo's take on Genies.
28/05/2008 04:08:43 ‹yoda8myhead› it's ok Fray. Paizo is here!
28/05/2008 04:08:50 ‹Absinth› Paizo works fine for me.
28/05/2008 04:08:52 ‹Justin Sluder› Fray> it's working for me.
28/05/2008 04:08:56 ‹Fray› James> My Alpha playtest for CotCT went well. The players are looking forward to the next
session.
28/05/2008 04:09:07 ‹Joey Virtue› I love paizos take on all monsters
28/05/2008 04:09:11 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Our first hints appear in Pathfinder 9. We'll be doing a few more genie things
as we get closer to PF 19 as well...
28/05/2008 04:09:15 ‹David› i got paizo...
28/05/2008 04:09:39 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I can't tell you. I don't know yet. Genies are cool, that's all I know about it
right now. :)
28/05/2008 04:09:51 ‹Eyebite› Very cool....and I think Flight of the Red Raven had a genie in it too .....
28/05/2008 04:10:00 ‹yoda8myhead› James, how does it feel to have the iconics out
28/05/2008 04:10:05 ‹Fray› I'd love to see genies done better. (and effretti too)
28/05/2008 04:10:10 * lojakz quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 04:10:30 ‹yoda8myhead› there's so much histoical myth around them that the flavor pool is nearly endless
28/05/2008 04:10:32 ‹Fray› How does it feel to have the iconics for your Facebook profile?
28/05/2008 04:10:36 ‹James Jacobs› Flight does have a genie in it... but I'm not sure it really plays into our plans for
genies at all...
28/05/2008 04:10:42 ‹Absinth› Will we see stuff on the planes and/or planets in 2009?
28/05/2008 04:10:44 ‹Joey Virtue› The new one looks like elrick
28/05/2008 04:10:49 ‹Eyebite› Ah
28/05/2008 04:10:52 ‹James Jacobs› That adventure kinda flew in under the radar of world continuity a little.
28/05/2008 04:10:52 * Lilith joins Main
28/05/2008 04:11:14 ‹yoda8myhead› hey
28/05/2008 04:11:19 ‹yoda8myhead› Lilith
28/05/2008 04:11:19 ‹David› Lilith!
28/05/2008 04:11:28 ‹Daigle› Lilz!!!
28/05/2008 04:11:29 ‹Sir Wulf› Lilith!
28/05/2008 04:11:32 ‹James Jacobs› But yes... there's a LOT of genie lore. and we'll ABSOLUTELY be going to the Arabian
Nights stuff for inspiration. So yeah... I guess having an Arabian Nights flavor to AP4 is a pretty solid bet.
28/05/2008 04:11:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lilz!
28/05/2008 04:11:39 ‹yoda8myhead› :glomp:
28/05/2008 04:11:46 ‹Fray› :hugs: Lil!
28/05/2008 04:11:46 ‹Justin Sluder› Lilith is here.
28/05/2008 04:12:01 ‹Justin Sluder› Cookies for everyone!
:cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::co okie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::coo
kie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie:
28/05/2008 04:12:03 ‹David› :zombieglomp:
28/05/2008 04:12:08 ‹Lilith› :zzz:
28/05/2008 04:12:12 ‹Fray› NOM NOM NOM
28/05/2008 04:12:17 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes; we'll have a gazetteer of the solar system and several space aliens in
Pathfinder 14. There'll be more about the planes to come later, but first in the Hardcover; there's about 10 pages of planar
stuff in there, if not more.
28/05/2008 04:12:19 ‹yoda8myhead› noooo
28/05/2008 04:12:23 ‹yoda8myhead› wake up
28/05/2008 04:12:24 ‹Absinth› And :coffee:
28/05/2008 04:12:26 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Lilith!
28/05/2008 04:12:27 * David goes to look for his 10 foot pole
28/05/2008 04:12:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gigity . . .
28/05/2008 04:12:37 * Justin Sluder hands Lilith :coffee:
28/05/2008 04:12:43 ‹Lilith› Don't worry, I brough cookies.
:cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::co okie::cookie:
28/05/2008 04:12:44 ‹Pygon› I was hoping for planar stuff in the hardcover
28/05/2008 04:13:04 ‹Absinth› Wow, James, that sounds great!
28/05/2008 04:13:12 * JasonBulmahn joins Main
28/05/2008 04:13:17 ‹James Jacobs› There will be! There's like 10+ pages of planes stuff in the hardcover.
28/05/2008 04:13:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Jason!
28/05/2008 04:13:26 ‹David› im just hoping for pathfinder to run good stuff longer than i can stay interested :)
28/05/2008 04:13:29 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason
28/05/2008 04:13:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well folks, I can't stay tonight...
28/05/2008 04:13:32 ‹Timitius› Hey Lilz!
28/05/2008 04:13:34 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm eager to inflict a load of Edgar Rice Burroughs on my PCs.
28/05/2008 04:13:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› :typerhappy::whipit:
28/05/2008 04:13:39 ‹James Jacobs› David> That's the goal!
28/05/2008 04:13:39 ‹Absinth› It's getting crowded. Hi Jason!
28/05/2008 04:13:41 ‹Fray› ok, i can get paizon.com with Flock... cool
28/05/2008 04:13:43 ‹Pygon› Mr. Bulmahn! Gratz on getting alpha 3 out!
28/05/2008 04:13:50 ‹Joey Virtue› the new thing on the site that tells us whats coming out is great
28/05/2008 04:13:52 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hi there Everybody
28/05/2008 04:13:57 ‹Rambling Scribe› Doh! just as Jason arrives, I must flee!
28/05/2008 04:13:57 ‹James Jacobs› There will indeed be some ERB stuff in Darklands, at the VERY LEAST, Sir Wulf.
28/05/2008 04:14:02 ‹clight101› hi jason
28/05/2008 04:14:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Jason, my bard player loves you . . .
28/05/2008 04:14:04 ‹Joey Virtue› hello jason
28/05/2008 04:14:04 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wow.. lag tastic...
28/05/2008 04:14:09 ‹Sir Wulf› Bwahahaha!
28/05/2008 04:14:10 ‹Rathendar› hello jason !
28/05/2008 04:14:15 ‹Daigle› Totally! Good job, Jason!
28/05/2008 04:14:18 ‹Timitius› Daigle...give that man a Golem!
28/05/2008 04:14:27 ‹yoda8myhead› hey Jason, I love Alpha 3
28/05/2008 04:14:35 ‹Lilith› Bullllllllllllllman! :glomp: :glomp:
28/05/2008 04:14:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Good Night all!
28/05/2008 04:14:40 ‹Lilith› Timmeh! :D
28/05/2008 04:14:44 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Craig
28/05/2008 04:14:45 ‹Pygon› Bye Scribe
28/05/2008 04:14:46 ‹Joey Virtue› So how is the beta coming or shoudl we not talk about u are relaxing away from it LOL
28/05/2008 04:14:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Thanks Daigle, Knight, Pygon, Yoda, Lilith
28/05/2008 04:14:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night scribe
28/05/2008 04:14:47 ‹Fray› Nite Scribe
28/05/2008 04:14:50 ‹clight101› nite scribe
28/05/2008 04:14:51 ‹yoda8myhead› Night Scribe
28/05/2008 04:14:58 ‹Absinth› Night, Craig!
28/05/2008 04:15:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> Mention not the name of the old one
28/05/2008 04:15:15 ‹Joey Virtue› LOL
28/05/2008 04:15:16 * Fray gives Jason a Jack on the rocks
28/05/2008 04:15:33 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason, I have a player playtesting the Fey bloodline who wants to use Quicken Spell. Do
you know how that will be changed to work for spontaneous casters?
28/05/2008 04:15:34 ‹Russ› Hey Jason
28/05/2008 04:15:37 ‹Fray› JasonBulmahn> "Sailor Venus"?
28/05/2008 04:15:55 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 04:16:06 ‹Joey Virtue› I have a question from the alpha about skills can you still cast defensivly since
Concentration is gone and it wasnt on the spellcraft list
28/05/2008 04:16:22 ‹Russ› Jason - what do you think of making it so that one can only wield a single weapon (i.e. threaten
with it, gain defending benefits from it) unless you are also taking two-weapon fighting penalties?
28/05/2008 04:16:30 * tensor joins Main
28/05/2008 04:16:35 ‹Absinth› Fray, don't anger the old one...:)
28/05/2008 04:16:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> Quicken spell specifically states that it now avoids that particular subclause..
Quicken works for Spontaneous casters..
28/05/2008 04:16:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> You can.. and I will make sure that is noted
28/05/2008 04:17:09 ‹yoda8myhead› hmm, I'll need to reread it
28/05/2008 04:17:14 ‹Russ› Simplifies things like gaining benefits from a +1 defending spiked gauntlet, +1 spiked whatever
shield, +1 whatever spiked armor
28/05/2008 04:17:22 ‹Russ› (the enchantments being on the spikes in both cases)
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28/05/2008 04:17:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Interesting.. I don't suppose I have every really thought about that... seems kinda
weird though
28/05/2008 04:17:37 ‹Pygon› Jason - did you think about how someone who is grappled might turn it on the grappler? Do they
have to break the grapple before attempting to do so?
28/05/2008 04:17:40 ‹Russ› Jason> please make it explicitly clear that you can quicken enlarge person
28/05/2008 04:17:41 ‹Joey Virtue› i figurd just missed it when you were changingthe skills
28/05/2008 04:17:43 ‹Absinth› Strange, since Jason entered all my posts disappear. The old one's eating all my words!
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28/05/2008 04:18:05 ‹yoda8myhead› I see them Absinth
28/05/2008 04:18:19 ‹yoda8myhead› unless you posted some that I don't see
28/05/2008 04:18:19 ‹Timitius› JasonBulmahn, you see how well traveled your work is?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...352336/
28/05/2008 04:18:21 ‹Russ› It relates to things like using a spiked gauntlet so you can threaten while shooting a bow, and
other breaks with what makes sense
28/05/2008 04:18:22 ‹Absinth› Yes? Strange. I don't!
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28/05/2008 04:18:29 ‹David› can we see a return of DRX/+Y?
28/05/2008 04:18:33 ‹James Jacobs› I can see you, Absinth.
28/05/2008 04:18:34 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pygon, I have not resolved that quite yet
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28/05/2008 04:18:42 ‹Pygon› ok just curious, thanks
28/05/2008 04:18:44 ‹clight101› Jason > I only have one question. Who do you know including yourself doesn't have a man
crush on Monte Cook who's read any of his work
28/05/2008 04:18:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Absinth> Its what I do
28/05/2008 04:18:57 ‹James Jacobs› Eeew... I hate the DRX/+Y setup. bleh
28/05/2008 04:18:59 ‹clight101› I know I do
28/05/2008 04:19:08 ‹yoda8myhead› I agree, David. DR is almost totally irrelevant and easily bypassed after 9th level or
so, when everyone has a +2 weapon
28/05/2008 04:19:37 ‹JasonBulmahn› Clight> No one..
28/05/2008 04:19:41 ‹Russ› Please please please return to 3.5E style DR, I hate this new DR method. It makes gmw even more
broken,
28/05/2008 04:19:44 ‹clight101› lol
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28/05/2008 04:20:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> I am thinking about monkeying a bit more with that system.. I have just not gotten
there yet...
28/05/2008 04:20:03 * Fray needs to read about the new DR...
28/05/2008 04:20:09 ‹cappadocius› I don't have a man crush on Monte.
28/05/2008 04:20:09 ‹Joey Virtue› I agree with russ that was one of the things i hated about alpha 3 that and SODs
28/05/2008 04:20:13 ‹Fray› Where is the new DR rules?(page)
28/05/2008 04:20:17 ‹Russ› Although another change I would like to see: don't allow greater magic weapon or magic vestment
to exceed the effective plus of the item they are put on. So if you put gmw +3 on a +1 flaming sword, you get a +2 flaming
sword rather than a +3.
28/05/2008 04:20:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› And here I didn't want to bad
28/05/2008 04:23:08 ‹yoda8myhead› will we see Beta v 1.1, 1.2, etc as changes are made to be playtested over the full year
between its release and Final?
28/05/2008 04:23:11 ‹Joey Virtue› thats why we will more then likly keep them killing people
28/05/2008 04:23:19 ‹JasonBulmahn› :-) It just has one other mechanic that keeps monsters from keeling over because of a 1
on the save
28/05/2008 04:23:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› James is partially right.. the window of influence on the Beta is shrinking by the day...
28/05/2008 04:23:51 ‹Wyvern› We start our 1st game using PRPG this Saturday, but I don't know how useful our "playtest" will
be. I have a couple of changes already (for things that haven't changed).
28/05/2008 04:24:01 ‹Absinth› Yes, that's just lame. I hate it when PCs are taking down BBEGs with just one spell.
28/05/2008 04:24:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> there may be some bulletins.. but no full releases
28/05/2008 04:24:08 ‹Joey Virtue› my players love that threat of death that why we play 3 20s death and 3 1s death
28/05/2008 04:24:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Eh . . . sometimes a surprise death of a BBEG isn't so bad.
28/05/2008 04:24:36 ‹BM› I don't mind nerfing save or dies, but I dislike the damage aspect.
28/05/2008 04:24:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› But probably not in one shot.
28/05/2008 04:24:48 ‹yoda8myhead› and do you want to know how we houserule problems away, or would you rather just get
reports of what doesn't seem to work?
28/05/2008 04:24:59 ‹James Jacobs› Both.
28/05/2008 04:25:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yup
28/05/2008 04:25:09 ‹Absinth› Knight, I agree, but these spells are often treated as a default option for BBEGs and that's
lame.
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28/05/2008 04:25:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› But mostly the latter...
28/05/2008 04:25:38 ‹BM› Can will just change them to a two roll system? You didn't change the ones that had multiple rolls
28/05/2008 04:26:06 ‹Hill Giant› Are you doing anything about the overabundance of obscuring mist? :-)
28/05/2008 04:26:06 ‹Joey Virtue› can you denote all spells that are SOD
28/05/2008 04:26:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› If there has been one wildcard in my playtests, its been the Critical Hit Deck, but
that's a "known" variable for the group and they love it.
28/05/2008 04:26:19 ‹yoda8myhead› I want to be as non-annoying as possible with my feedback. I plan on being the opposite
of an armchair designer with it, though having not started yet, I might find it more difficult in practice than theory
28/05/2008 04:26:52 ‹Joey Virtue› Yeah jason I love 95 percent of the stuff this is the only thing i dont like and just
kinda talking about it
28/05/2008 04:27:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› Well.. once we get to the Beta, things are going to get a bit more structured... it is a
bit too chaotic right now.. and hard for folks to impact and even harder for me to track
28/05/2008 04:27:20 ‹cappadocius› Is there any point to continued discussion on things that might influence the monster
manual, Jason?
28/05/2008 04:27:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› yoda, I've just pretty much been posting what happened, and noting anything that I
think might have been different than if I hadn't been using the pf rules.
28/05/2008 04:27:41 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah with the beta we will be starting our next campign if the other one keeps rolling
28/05/2008 04:27:41 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> Not really at this stage
28/05/2008 04:28:03 ‹Wyvern› yoda that's why I haven't said anything on the boards. I have commented here but it is all gone
with the bits. I don't think my opinion matters if I haven't played it yet.
28/05/2008 04:28:37 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah i just kinda try to get clarafications on changes
28/05/2008 04:28:44 ‹James Jacobs› I plan on being the BIGGEST Influenc on the monster manual. I'll be riding Jason like a
NIGHT HAG on that one! MWA HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
28/05/2008 04:28:49 ‹Joey Virtue› like save or dies and tat sort of thing
28/05/2008 04:29:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Owww.. my Back!
28/05/2008 04:29:04 ‹Daigle› Like a night hag even...wow.
28/05/2008 04:29:15 ‹Lilith› Mental image.
28/05/2008 04:29:17 ‹Lilith› Interesting.
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28/05/2008 04:29:19 ‹PeteA› Do Night Hags ride side saddle?
28/05/2008 04:29:27 ‹Pygon› it's all in your head, ethereal things are weightless.
28/05/2008 04:29:28 ‹clight101› or firghtening
28/05/2008 04:29:28 ‹James Jacobs› THey do not.
28/05/2008 04:29:30 ‹Fray› James> So every monster will have rogue levels?
28/05/2008 04:29:30 ‹yoda8myhead› bare back
28/05/2008 04:29:40 ‹clight101› and bard levels
28/05/2008 04:29:42 ‹Eyebite› Choose a good safety word
28/05/2008 04:29:44 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright.. stop that.. stop that.. we'll have none of that here!
28/05/2008 04:29:48 ‹Fray› english saddle
28/05/2008 04:29:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› It will be interesting to see some of the monster "rebalancing" that might happened.
Thankfully I trust you guys to keep the core concept of the monsters in mind when you tweak them.
28/05/2008 04:30:10 ‹PeteA› SOD - Must. Go. Great choice.
28/05/2008 04:30:11 * cappadocius won't bother with the Knowledge and Monsters thread anymore.
28/05/2008 04:30:16 * Fray uses 'mrmphhh' as a saftey word
28/05/2008 04:30:18 ‹Rathendar› safety word should be :aiee or argh, that'll be teh most easy to say ones when you want it
=p
28/05/2008 04:30:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Awesome Pic btw Tim... what Volcano is that.. before I post it to my Blog?
28/05/2008 04:30:58 * Fray does the Safety Dance
28/05/2008 04:31:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› You can dance if you want to . . .
28/05/2008 04:31:24 ‹Wyvern› I have a q: Are thre some specific sacred cows or do you just change what you feel needs be
changed no matter what?
28/05/2008 04:31:38 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There's actually not a lot of "rebalancign" needed, really. Some monsters, like
the ogre mage and the rakshasa need it bad, sure, but the majority should be ready to go! Translating them into PFRPG might
reveal some issues, I guess... but if we do the PFRPG right... it should be a pretty painless procedure.
28/05/2008 04:32:11 ‹Joey Virtue› just add a few feats and fix HD
28/05/2008 04:32:26 ‹PeteA› Volcano Timitusawakawukamalikikiki
28/05/2008 04:32:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, I kind of figured that. Part of what I meant about trusting you guys was that you
probably won't be hacking into every one of the monsters for the hell of it.
28/05/2008 04:32:44 * cappadocius despairs of fixing types and making sense of how monster knowledge interacts with the
knowledge skills.
28/05/2008 04:32:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ogre Mages jumped immediately to mind.
28/05/2008 04:32:50 ‹yoda8myhead› James, I have been doing a full conversion of Burnt Offerings with the existing rules, and
in almost every case the only things that have changed in monsters are skills. NPCs with character levels are different
28/05/2008 04:32:57 ‹Absinth› Jason, how do you plan to have the Beta feedback more structured and useable?
28/05/2008 04:33:23 ‹Blazej› I know I type something.
28/05/2008 04:33:37 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Ah; yeah. I mean... there'll be a temptation to, say, massivly up the remorhaz's
HD, for example, but I suspect and hope we'll be keeping that mostly in check. Backwards compatability and all.
28/05/2008 04:33:57 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Sounds great!
28/05/2008 04:34:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Absinth> Those plans are still coming together.. suffice to say... it will involve
periods of looking at specific rules elements... and a more structured submission process.
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28/05/2008 04:34:33 ‹Daigle› Welcome back Wulf
28/05/2008 04:34:39 ‹yoda8myhead› the stats are all up at the pathfinder wiki, if you want to take a look.
http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/...al:PRPG
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28/05/2008 04:35:01 ‹Joey Virtue› will we get to read all the playtest results
28/05/2008 04:35:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason, I'd really like a form to fill out with feedback from both myself as DM and the
players
28/05/2008 04:35:11 ‹Joey Virtue› thats the first thing i read are accuall playtests
28/05/2008 04:35:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Joey> I am not sure yet
28/05/2008 04:35:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> so would I
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28/05/2008 04:36:07 ‹Absinth› It might be better to submit feedback in a non-public way, because all these discussions are
taking up lots of space (and time to read).
28/05/2008 04:36:19 ‹Joey Virtue› have you looked at the fiorms from the campghn planner from ronin arts there are some cool
player fill out paperwork
28/05/2008 04:36:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, but sometimes people asking me questions reminds me of things that I forgot to
post.
28/05/2008 04:36:47 ‹yoda8myhead› I agree Absinth
28/05/2008 04:37:08 ‹yoda8myhead› I want to just send an email and continue to playtest. Not to argue with people over
every little thing
28/05/2008 04:37:11 ‹Absinth› The discussion will be there too, but then Jasons wouldn't have to sort through them.
28/05/2008 04:37:33 ‹JasonBulmahn› Absinth> Exactly
28/05/2008 04:37:38 ‹Joey Virtue› yeah i there are alot of dumb ass readers who argue
28/05/2008 04:37:51 ‹Joey Virtue› I just weant to read the results
28/05/2008 04:37:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Though having playtested 4e and continually received revisions that seemed to ignore huge
errors we pointed out over the course of months really left a bad taste in my whole groups' mouth, so some public feedback,
or at least noticeable change is also meritous
28/05/2008 04:38:00 ‹David› Joey Virtue, i disagree :)
28/05/2008 04:38:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› Tim> Nice!
28/05/2008 04:38:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Eh . . . a lot of people mean well, but sometimes people lose sight of what the point
originally was.
28/05/2008 04:38:32 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, is it more important at this point to playtest the rules in play, or suggest
changes to existing rules?
28/05/2008 04:38:37 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> I think we will be shooting for a mix
28/05/2008 04:38:39 ‹Fray› point!?!?!?! what?
28/05/2008 04:39:01 ‹Joey Virtue› you are right knight
28/05/2008 04:39:05 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I'd say playtest the rules in play, for sure.
28/05/2008 04:39:06 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> considering how much time is left... anything you got....
28/05/2008 04:39:13 ‹Timitius› Er, officially, Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park. Below the Kilauea Caldera, on Chain of
Craters Road.
28/05/2008 04:39:15 ‹Absinth› What's the point of discussing the prereq for Weapon Finesse to death when there's nothing
coming out in the end? It might be entertaining for the participating users but it doesn't help developing the rules.
28/05/2008 04:39:18 ‹Joey Virtue› i think we all do it because we have our own points of view
28/05/2008 04:39:23 ‹Fray› Jason> my CotCT using Alpha is going good. The 1st level sorc with Toughness has 12 HP and that's
a bit of a problem...
28/05/2008 04:39:33 ‹Fray› but it should even out eventually
28/05/2008 04:39:39 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> Is it really?
28/05/2008 04:39:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> Yup.. it will
28/05/2008 04:39:49 ‹James Jacobs› For adventure paths... having PCs die is more of a problem, I think.
28/05/2008 04:40:01 ‹James Jacobs› Becasue PC death tends to complicate the unfolding story.
28/05/2008 04:40:30 ‹Joey Virtue› but with out the trhreat of death the game loses somthing
28/05/2008 04:40:31 ‹Wyvern› There is a system I've seen used in software development where someone posts a bug or feature
request, then the next person instead of posting the same thing can look it up and if it's there they can vote a "me too".
28/05/2008 04:40:35 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not saying you should fudge things to keep PCs alive... but giving them a better
chance at survival is not a bad thing. Hence 12 hp should be good, especially for a Sorcerer!
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28/05/2008 04:40:40 ‹Wyvern› So there are popular issues and less popular ones.
28/05/2008 04:40:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . when the dwarf fighter died in our playtest "interim" adventure, we all
laughed, and it was much less stressful than a death in a regular campaign
28/05/2008 04:40:56 ‹Wyvern› People can leave comments too, but is less prone to fights.
28/05/2008 04:41:00 ‹James Jacobs› Trust me... APs will ALYWAYS have the threat of death! :)
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28/05/2008 04:41:19 ‹James Jacobs› Giggles! YOU ROBBED GIGGLES!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
28/05/2008 04:41:22 ‹Joey Virtue› i know thats why i love them
28/05/2008 04:41:24 ‹Blazej› JasonBulmahn, anything to say on multiclassing spellcasters? No adjustments to the rules for
them now or in the foreseeable future?
28/05/2008 04:41:27 ‹yoda8myhead› Something that I'd like to see in BEta or Final to help with conversion is a broken down
list of what changes to class features were made to all 11 classes and races. So that one can simply look at what changes
need to be made to convert if one is going the conversion route, and make them, instead of rebuilding the character under
the new rules.
28/05/2008 04:41:36 ‹Absinth› Wyvern, this sounds like a good option to get knowledge of what the players think about
specific changes.
28/05/2008 04:41:38 ‹Joey Virtue› we went through age of worms with our soft DM and a bunch of people dies
28/05/2008 04:41:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Not at the moment
28/05/2008 04:41:42 ‹Joey Virtue› died
28/05/2008 04:41:47 ‹Justin Sluder› one of my players had his PC right after they got to Magnimar during Skinsaw, and I
introduced his new character as the child of former victims of the cult. Worked out very nicely.
28/05/2008 04:41:53 ‹Fray› But the 12 HP sorc is running around like he's superman.... he didn't flench when the jigsaw
shark bit him for 4ho
28/05/2008 04:41:55 ‹Blazej› JasonBulmahn, Alrighty.
28/05/2008 04:42:04 ‹James Jacobs› Joey> We've had a bunch of PC deaths in our own Age of Worms game... <sniffle> I miss
that game...
28/05/2008 04:42:22 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> That sounds like a self-correcting problem.
28/05/2008 04:42:24 ‹Joey Virtue› its great
28/05/2008 04:42:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› brb
28/05/2008 04:42:30 ‹Lilith› Tyralandi! :O
28/05/2008 04:42:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just promise me that we won't see any class that looks like the Abjurant Champion and
I'll be happy . . .
28/05/2008 04:42:45 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> I had to do it... dying without playing your charcater sucks... (Traveller
nightmares of dying in character generation)
28/05/2008 04:43:11 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I'm not sure what that is... is it a Prestige Class from one of the latter WotC
books?
28/05/2008 04:43:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› You're better not knowing, but yeah, from Complete Mage
28/05/2008 04:43:35 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> yeah, it will correct itself. Just a little bit to adjust too. Not used to a sorc
with 12HP at 1st level...
28/05/2008 04:43:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Fray> Traveller is not the only game that can happen in
28/05/2008 04:43:47 ‹PeteA› there are alot of broken things in complete mage.
28/05/2008 04:43:49 ‹James Jacobs› (I hope I didn't write it! That'd be embarassing! WHEW! Had nothign to do with Complete
Mage.)
28/05/2008 04:44:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› full BAB, d10, full casting progression . . . and a bunch of class abilities to boot.
28/05/2008 04:44:06 ‹Blazej› I remember when I was DM and a single person lost their character in their first encounter,
twice in a row.
28/05/2008 04:44:13 ‹Fray› JasonBulmahn> True Dat
28/05/2008 04:44:16 ‹Rathendar› its a 5 level class that gets things like..class level to ac for aburation spells that give
ac. 9 pt mage armor, for example, + 9 pt shield stacking etc etc.
28/05/2008 04:44:19 ‹JasonBulmahn› Knight> Redonculous
28/05/2008 04:44:41 ‹Fray› Mage Armor doesn't work for the Abjurant Champion
28/05/2008 04:44:50 ‹robert_hawk› its not an abjuration
28/05/2008 04:44:53 ‹Joey Virtue› holy shit what class is this?
28/05/2008 04:44:57 ‹Fray› you have to 'house' rule it to work that way
28/05/2008 04:45:16 ‹Fray› so it isn't 'broken' per sea
28/05/2008 04:45:19 ‹Blazej› I think the Abjurant Champion should lose the spellcasting level first level rather than fifth.
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28/05/2008 04:45:28 ‹Joey Virtue› complete mage aburant champ?
28/05/2008 04:45:29 ‹Fray› Joey> Abjurant Champion - Complete Mage
28/05/2008 04:45:40 ‹Blazej› I think that might fix it a bit.
28/05/2008 04:45:47 ‹Joey Virtue› have to read thaty again
28/05/2008 04:45:51 ‹Fray› Blaze> that is a good idea
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28/05/2008 04:46:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› I think the Abjurant Champion is a perfect example of why you don't need a PrC that
lets you do both things well when you multi class.
28/05/2008 04:46:21 ‹Fray› it's not that bad a class really... the Hype is the bigger problem
28/05/2008 04:46:49 ‹James Jacobs› Rathendar> Sounds like a textbook case of power creep, the Abjurant Champion. one that
doesn't seem powerful if you compare it to a similar class to a book that came out the month before, but if you compare it
to the sorcerer... POW!
28/05/2008 04:46:53 ‹Fray› It's a pretty constrictive class... but good for a Gish types
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28/05/2008 04:47:09 ‹Rathendar› *nods* i agree james.
28/05/2008 04:47:18 ‹James Jacobs› NO! NO GISH! NOT ALLOWED!!!!!
28/05/2008 04:47:19 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> isn't the case with all base classes vs new books?
28/05/2008 04:47:23 ‹James Jacobs› :vampire:
28/05/2008 04:47:32 ‹James Jacobs› :zombieglomp::raptor::whipit::whipit::whipit::whipit:
28/05/2008 04:47:35 ‹Rathendar› one of my players in rise of teh runelords is that. and its not game breaking.
28/05/2008 04:47:37 ‹Pygon› hating on the Gish
28/05/2008 04:47:46 ‹Blazej› Run!
28/05/2008 04:47:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gish don't exist in Pathfinder . . . no Githyanki
04:48:07 ‹James Jacobs› ("gish" is perhaps my greatest pet peve... it's fine for a githyanki subcaste but not beyond)
28/05/2008 04:48:10 ‹Fray› Gish characters can totally be playable and not broken... um.. see the new Iconic lately?
28/05/2008 04:48:27 ‹James Jacobs› The new iconic is not a gish. He's a half elf, not a githyanki.
28/05/2008 04:48:33 ‹James Jacobs› Grrrr.
28/05/2008 04:48:38 ‹James Jacobs› <deep breath>
28/05/2008 04:48:44 ‹James Jacobs› I am calm now.
28/05/2008 04:48:45 ‹Hill Giant› He's not a gish, he's a emo
28/05/2008 04:48:46 ‹Fray› I have never seen Gish refer to a race....
28/05/2008 04:48:52 ‹Blazej› So instead should we call them "brooding half-elf" instead?
28/05/2008 04:48:53 ‹robert_hawk› wraith strike not being core helps make fighter/mages balanced
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28/05/2008 04:48:57 ‹Joey Virtue› DId u tell the artist t make him like an n Elrick look
28/05/2008 04:48:59 ‹Justin Sluder› agreed, but he is gishish
28/05/2008 04:49:04 ‹Blazej› Or is that too wordy?
28/05/2008 04:49:08 ‹Rathendar› i dunno, hes got funky hair..dresses in strange black..is emo/goth...has a silvery sword..he
Could be gish
28/05/2008 04:49:09 ‹Fray› I've only seen it as a characer concept of fighter/mage
28/05/2008 04:49:22 ‹Blazej› Brohelf.
28/05/2008 04:49:25 ‹Joey Virtue› He looks like Elrick
28/05/2008 04:49:36 ‹PeteA› the power creep in the newer books was an issue. hate to see what wizard "builds" get put
together with PFRPG and those.
28/05/2008 04:49:37 ‹Absinth› Please, ppl, don't ruin James' day...:)
28/05/2008 04:49:48 ‹Wyvern› There was a whole hoolabaloo about the latest iconic here in chat the other day.
28/05/2008 04:49:57 ‹Rathendar› i apologise then, i was just makin a joke
28/05/2008 04:50:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Fighter/Mage . . . noting wrong with Figher/Mage . . .
28/05/2008 04:50:10 ‹Daigle› Wyvern, what'd I miss?
28/05/2008 04:50:15 ‹PeteA› Ex: Focused Specialist with Specialist abilities
28/05/2008 04:50:16 ‹Rathendar› i like the look.
28/05/2008 04:50:28 ‹Fray› Hill Giant> LOL!!!!
28/05/2008 04:50:33 ‹Blazej› What about Mage/Fighter?
28/05/2008 04:50:55 ‹Blazej› Why does Fighter always get top billing?
28/05/2008 04:51:03 ‹Wyvern› The usual some people like it, som don't. But the discussion lasted for a while.
28/05/2008 04:51:11 ‹Rathendar› alphabetical!
28/05/2008 04:51:12 ‹James Jacobs› Because he took fighter class first to get the max HP out of the deal.
28/05/2008 04:51:14 ‹Joey Virtue› no idea fighter is ussually only like 4 levels
28/05/2008 04:51:15 ‹Absinth› Mage/Fighter is the better combo in my opinion.
28/05/2008 04:51:16 ‹Hill Giant› Blazej, alphabetical order?
28/05/2008 04:51:20 ‹PeteA› does anyone build mage/fighter anymore, or just use one of the many new "classes" or PRC's that
are out?
28/05/2008 04:51:22 ‹James Jacobs› The first class listed is always the first class the character took.
28/05/2008 04:51:26 ‹Fray› Mage/Fighter = Fighter/Mage = Gish
28/05/2008 04:51:30 ‹James Jacobs› That influences first level hp and first level skills.
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28/05/2008 04:52:10 ‹Absinth› Okay, than I meant that it's better to have more levels in mage than in fighter.
28/05/2008 04:52:12 ‹Wyvern› I personally think his story is too sad and miserable for a hero. Then someone mentioned he is
not a hero. Is he?
28/05/2008 04:52:13 ‹yoda8myhead› James, speaking of the new iconic, and advice on runnign RotR with one lawful evil
character?
28/05/2008 04:52:14 ‹Rathendar› fine, james's makes sense too..perhaps even moreso. =/
28/05/2008 04:52:34 ‹Eyebite› And the new iconic - I believe he's primarily a fighter, that uses his magic to buff himself,
right?
28/05/2008 04:52:42 ‹Joey Virtue› what is his alignment James?
28/05/2008 04:52:48 ‹James Jacobs› Lawful evil.
28/05/2008 04:52:50 ‹Rathendar› new iconic is an even split in concept
28/05/2008 04:52:59 ‹Hill Giant› The gnomes druids going to have to be the blaster
28/05/2008 04:53:10 ‹Sir Wulf› People disagree what "evil" is: Some seem determined that anything not absolutely diabolical
must be neutral.
28/05/2008 04:53:10 ‹Hill Giant› in that party
28/05/2008 04:53:16 ‹James Jacobs› I might back down ont he even split on his class levels. Not sure yet.
28/05/2008 04:53:20 ‹PeteA› is he straight mage or sorcerer?
28/05/2008 04:53:22 ‹Wyvern› Ah yes that too.
28/05/2008 04:53:27 ‹Wyvern› You were there Wulf! ;)
28/05/2008 04:53:36 ‹Sir Wulf› Yep.
28/05/2008 04:53:38 ‹Wyvern› I am one of those.
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28/05/2008 04:53:58 ‹Eyebite› I think Sorcerer would be best, but that's just my opinion. I really like the "whispers in
the dark" portion of his background
28/05/2008 04:54:06 ‹James Jacobs› He'll either be a fighter/wizard or a fighter/sorcerer.
28/05/2008 04:54:12 ‹Rathendar› as far as RoTR with an evil, just give them a reason to get even. evil characters have
plenty of buttons to push. they can thirst for power but still have family. revenge is a great motivator. lost a
sister/wife/parent to a giant/goblin whatever and find out the rune is involved.
28/05/2008 04:54:23 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer fighter/sorcerer. I think Wes prefers fighter/wizard. We'll probably have to
have some sort of duel to decide.
28/05/2008 04:54:28 ‹paul› i like the idea os sor
28/05/2008 04:54:31 ‹Joey Virtue› no he seemed like a wizzard frm him story his father was a sorcerer
28/05/2008 04:54:31 ‹Blazej› I would really like to see an evenly split character. The one time I was planning to do it the
campaign ended very quickly.
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28/05/2008 04:54:35 ‹Fray› ok, i'm taking my gish crush with me and going to sleep.
28/05/2008 04:54:37 ‹PeteA› I've got a swashbuckler/sorcerer character in one of my games, it's a good combo.
28/05/2008 04:54:39 ‹Fray› y'all have a good nite.
28/05/2008 04:54:40 ‹Sir Wulf› Pistols at dawn!
28/05/2008 04:54:49 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, banjos?
28/05/2008 04:54:50 ‹Pygon› gnite Fray
28/05/2008 04:54:53 ‹James Jacobs› Lawful evil doesn't necessarilly mean "Out to twist the law to justify me killing the
other PCs" unless one of your players is immature.
28/05/2008 04:54:54 ‹David› James Jacobs, i vote pistols at dawn :)
28/05/2008 04:54:55 ‹Eyebite› Hm, he could be very jedi-like . . .
28/05/2008 04:54:58 ‹PeteA› swashbuckler from complete fighter or whatever that one is.
28/05/2008 04:55:04 ‹Lilith› :jedi:
28/05/2008 04:55:16 ‹yoda8myhead› Jedi, you say?
28/05/2008 04:55:21 ‹Sir Wulf› I tend to agree, but not everyone seems to.
28/05/2008 04:55:33 ‹Joey Virtue› I think as a character sorcerer is better with fighter then wizard
28/05/2008 04:55:41 ‹Hill Giant› Lawful Evil people get other people to kill for them so they can't be held responsible
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28/05/2008 04:55:54 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed; wizards in 3E are too lame for campaign play.
28/05/2008 04:55:55 ‹Wyvern› Evil is not killing PCs, is killing towns and children and getting demons to join the party.
28/05/2008 04:56:07 ‹yoda8myhead› If I try to get the player in my campaign, LE elf rogue, to be more selfish at any cost
than truly out to kill people, that should work ok in the AP as written, right?
28/05/2008 04:56:13 * Moth AFC changes his/her nickname to Mothman
28/05/2008 04:56:16 ‹James Jacobs› HOWEVER: Sorcerers get more spells, which makes it a little harder to fit all that info
into the little window in his half-page character sheet...
28/05/2008 04:56:21 ‹Wyvern› At least that was my point of contention.
28/05/2008 04:56:29 ‹Mothman› Hey, all, I'm back
28/05/2008 04:56:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hill Giant . . . have you been peeking into Lex Luthor's notebook again?
28/05/2008 04:56:39 ‹Absinth› Hey Moth!
28/05/2008 04:56:50 ‹Sir Wulf› Lawful Evil take people's homes and livelihoods, then say "I explained what might happen when
he signed the contract."
28/05/2008 04:56:55 ‹Pygon› evil is a lot of things. It's not always being a villain. Sometimes it's killing your
adversary for the sheer joy of it as you use your companions as a means to your end
28/05/2008 04:56:59 ‹PeteA› interesting. for multi-class I always preferred wizard in order to get the better spell
progression. otherwise it's forever until you even get 3rd level spells
28/05/2008 04:57:01 ‹Hill Giant› Evil characters might alos only kill by making people live in squalid or unsafe conditions
28/05/2008 04:57:05 ‹Eyebite› Moth - hey!
28/05/2008 04:57:17 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Probably. Of course... you shouldn't have evil characters in a group unless the
group's mature enough to be able to tell the difference between in-game strife and real-world strife.
28/05/2008 04:57:26 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, do you know if anybody's done a character generator with the Harrow Deck yet?
28/05/2008 04:57:30 ‹yoda8myhead› they are pretty mature
28/05/2008 04:57:33 ‹Mothman› Hi Absinth, Eyebite
28/05/2008 04:57:37 ‹Absinth› PeteA, not with the practiced spellcaster feat
28/05/2008 04:57:41 ‹Cloakedchaos› Okay.. you two have to bet with eachother something along the lines of wooing a girl..
and whoever she falls for wins.. and then one of you awkwardly falls in love with her and everything falls apart when the
bet is revealed, but it all comes back together in the end when everyoen discovers their true feelings.
28/05/2008 04:57:42 ‹Lilith› And are there any more plans to use the Harrow Deck in the future, or is CotCT it?
28/05/2008 04:57:46 ‹Russ› Sorcerers are too lame to play. Wizards are great!
28/05/2008 04:57:49 ‹James Jacobs› My problem with the 3E wizard = he has to spend cash, time, and XP just to be what he is.
No other class does. He sucks.
28/05/2008 04:57:59 ‹Sir Wulf› Even mixed-alignment groups can get along, as long as they play their characters
realistically.
28/05/2008 04:58:00 ‹yoda8myhead› right now I'm the only Lawful character in a very chaotic group and we get into huge
squabbles that everyone knows are in game
28/05/2008 04:58:05 ‹Cloakedchaos› Wait.. no.. that's that movie stuck in my head again.
28/05/2008 04:58:12 ‹Sir Wulf› Even evil people have friends.
28/05/2008 04:58:15 ‹Mothman› James, I know you're not a big fan of wizards, but I've played them successfully in long term
campaign play ... mind you, in campaigns that tend to move a little slower than Paizo's APs
28/05/2008 04:58:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› I still miss my "all evil" campaign in Skullport . . . eventually the Zhent wanna be,
the Shadow Thief, and the Arcane Brotherhood agents were going to butt heads.
28/05/2008 04:58:27 ‹PeteA› yah, I house ruled that hoo-haa for wizards a while back
28/05/2008 04:58:45 ‹yoda8myhead› RotR seems perfect for a izard, though ,with all the ancient magic to learn and research
28/05/2008 04:58:45 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I haven't seen a Harrow character generator yet.
28/05/2008 04:58:47 ‹Russ› Yeah, that's tired ground - wizards don't need to craft. Spellbooks are a different matter, but
spellbooks don't take that much time to upkeep, and all classes need to spend gold to be what they are in some fashion (even
Vow of Poverty)
28/05/2008 04:58:57 ‹Hill Giant› If Seltya (sp?) is a sorcerer, what bloodline do you see him having?
28/05/2008 04:59:19 ‹Blazej› Undead or Infernal!
28/05/2008 04:59:24 ‹Joey Virtue› well guys have a good night Jason good luck on working on the old evil one Beta rules
28/05/2008 04:59:31 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Fair enough. Just that every wizard I've seen played has frustrated the player
IMMENSELY. And I've seen a LOT of campaigns played WITHOUT wizards (and severl even without arcanists) and it works fine.
28/05/2008 04:59:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Joey
28/05/2008 04:59:38 ‹Wyvern› Wulf, they do, they kill towns and invite demons together :P Oh well, I'll drop that now.
28/05/2008 04:59:38 ‹Absinth› Night, Joey!
28/05/2008 04:59:41 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Joey
28/05/2008 04:59:41 ‹James Jacobs› Wizards aren't as indespensable as fans of wizards want them to be or think they are, in
other words.
28/05/2008 04:59:42 ‹PeteA› Yah, I house ruled the 3E wizard hoo-haa in most of my games.
28/05/2008 04:59:47 ‹Blazej› Night Joey.
28/05/2008 04:59:47 ‹Wyvern› Next thing now that we are talking about pet peeves.
28/05/2008 05:00:10 ‹Wyvern› So I take it you prefer sorceres to wizards James?
28/05/2008 05:00:21 ‹Sir Wulf› I hate it when thorny subjects take over a chat, don't you Wyvern?
28/05/2008 05:00:25 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> He won't have a bloodline for a while, since we'll be statting him up with
3.5. Eventually we'll stat him up in PFRPG, and assumign bloodlines are still in, I suspect he'll be an infernal bloodline.
28/05/2008 05:00:36 * Wyvern nods.
28/05/2008 05:00:47 ‹James Jacobs› I do prefer sorcerers to wizards, yes.
28/05/2008 05:00:49 ‹Absinth› I agree about the wizard, James. It takes many sessions until the PC is even fun to play...
28/05/2008 05:00:55 ‹Rathendar› 'some' would wyvern, but not everyone who is evil woudl actually go to that extreme. thats
like saying there is no difference between a lawful good fighter and a paladin, when there can be a very big one.
28/05/2008 05:00:56 ‹PeteA› i was glad to see you're avoiding the evocation route. a fighter/controller or fighter/buffer
is more interesting
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28/05/2008 05:00:57 ‹James Jacobs› And I prefer bards to sorcerers.
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28/05/2008 05:01:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› My last major campaign only had a part time arcanist, and my current one has a bard and
a beguiler . . .
28/05/2008 05:01:12 ‹Hill Giant› Ooh, look at the time. Gotta go
28/05/2008 05:01:17 ‹Russ› 3rd edition bards are just sad.
28/05/2008 05:01:34 ‹Sir Wulf› I need to run, too. You all have a good one!
28/05/2008 05:01:40 ‹Blazej› So your preference for arcane casters is in alphabetical order?
28/05/2008 05:01:41 ‹Pygon› good night
28/05/2008 05:01:42 ‹PeteA› fighter + haste + enlarge person = hurt
28/05/2008 05:01:43 ‹Wyvern› I never liked sorceres, they seem like cheap wizards to me. But you may be on to something in
that I am a fan of wizards.
28/05/2008 05:01:44 ‹Lilith› Oh noes! :ohnoes:
28/05/2008 05:01:44 ‹James Jacobs› 3.5 bards are fine, as long as you don't play them as fighters, and ESPECIALLY if you get
to use some of the additional bard stuff from the splat books.
28/05/2008 05:01:49 ‹James Jacobs› Blaze> yup.
28/05/2008 05:01:49 ‹Absinth› Night Hill Giant and Sir Wulf!
28/05/2008 05:01:53 ‹Pygon› he'd love a mage then
28/05/2008 05:01:54 ‹Wyvern› sorcerers.
28/05/2008 05:01:59 ‹Russ› Far too few spells per day (bards).
28/05/2008 05:02:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Mmm...Jack of All Trades. :D
28/05/2008 05:02:10 ‹PeteA› Drums of Doom! <Doom> <Doom> <Doom>
28/05/2008 05:02:12 ‹Wyvern› PRPG sorceres now are another matter, I like those.
28/05/2008 05:02:12 ‹Russ› Thankfully, PF is addressing that.
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28/05/2008 05:02:20 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs> I prefer Wizards to Sorcerers.....but, I prefer Artificer (the Eberron
version) to all other classes.
28/05/2008 05:02:29 ‹Justin Sluder› :headbang: Artificer :headbang:
28/05/2008 05:02:30 ‹Lilith› I have a bard in my SCAP game, and I rebuilt him using PFRPG rules. Wow, what a difference.
28/05/2008 05:02:38 ‹James Jacobs› True; bards DO have to few spells. But the cool thing about bards is that the bigger your
party, the beter you are. It's neat.
28/05/2008 05:02:47 ‹Russ› Wizards are up there with clerics for the best power class in the game, done right.
28/05/2008 05:02:47 ‹Pygon› agreed there
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28/05/2008 05:02:57 ‹Blazej› Someday, I might actually create a character named Blaze.
28/05/2008 05:03:00 ‹PeteA› Bard is the best "5th wheel" there is, it's true
28/05/2008 05:03:09 ‹Pygon› I DM'd one named Blaze :)
28/05/2008 05:03:13 ‹Absinth› Yes, that's a nice mechanic. And the PFRPG bard turned out great.
28/05/2008 05:03:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› My bard player is the "troublemaker," but it makes for great drama . . .
28/05/2008 05:03:18 ‹Russ› Sorcerers COULD be, if they had bonus feats and more spells known and weren't half a spell level
behind.
28/05/2008 05:03:22 ‹James Jacobs› Bards are also really fun to roleplay. And that's my favorite part of the game, actually.
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28/05/2008 05:03:51 ‹Russ› But really, the "best power class" is any class that can cast shapechange, D&D's most broken
spell
28/05/2008 05:04:03 ‹James Jacobs› Fair enough.
28/05/2008 05:04:20 ‹James Jacobs› Best of luck playing a wizard up to that point and then being able to afford that jade
circlet, though! :)
28/05/2008 05:04:27 ‹Absinth› They're great to roleplay as long as the players aren't getting that much into their
characters that they're actually starting to sing...
28/05/2008 05:04:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs and JasonBulmahn: Out of the Golarion world setting, what is the most appealing
part of it so far for you?
28/05/2008 05:04:43 ‹Russ› Been there, done that, done the cheese to become a solar at 18th level :P
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28/05/2008 05:04:52 ‹James Jacobs› Saying that all bards sing is like saying all fighters fight with swords or that all
wizards shoot fireballs, though.
28/05/2008 05:04:54 ‹Justin Sluder› I've been saying for years that a properly built and played bard can be one of, if not,
the most powerful classes out there.
28/05/2008 05:05:25 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> THe most appealing thing? That we don't have to tailor the world to fit another
company's vision of what the world "shold" be.
28/05/2008 05:05:34 ‹PeteA› Had a bard that used spoken word once. Homer-esc
28/05/2008 05:05:41 ‹Russ› Who needs chaotic good and lawful evil?
28/05/2008 05:05:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› Any chance that, especially given the Runelords focus on giants, that a "giant" focused
product might come out?
28/05/2008 05:05:48 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> That actually goes for all classes, I suspect.
28/05/2008 05:05:57 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Heh. Any particular flavor aspect that you really dig?
28/05/2008 05:05:59 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Probably not any time soon...
28/05/2008 05:06:07 ‹Absinth› James, sure that's a cliché. But once I had a bard player that started singing at the table!
That was ten years ago and I still have nightmares! :)
28/05/2008 05:06:09 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> For me, it is having a hand in shaping something this cool... its been a real
treat
28/05/2008 05:06:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Darn . . . love giants . . .
28/05/2008 05:06:28 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, yeah, it's been a real pleasure to watch & cheer on from the sidelines. :woot:
28/05/2008 05:06:31 ‹Pygon› "You are my sunshine.... my only sunshine..."
28/05/2008 05:06:39 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Hmmm... Again, right now, I'm really digging what's developing in the Darklands a
lot. Also, the northern row of nations, Linnorm, Irisen, Mammoths, Worldwound... all of that is The Awesome.
28/05/2008 05:06:55 ‹PeteA› Jason: Do you think the game is more "playable" at the higher levels then the original? I.E.
Less "broken" ?
28/05/2008 05:07:01 ‹Blazej› "Y! M, C, A!"
28/05/2008 05:07:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, any chance of "drag n' drop" towns, settlements for Golarion?
28/05/2008 05:07:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› I need to pick up th Demon Within . . .
28/05/2008 05:07:11 ‹CD Lunching› JasonBulmahn, any chance of getting a class that is Paladin type without the LG aspect?
28/05/2008 05:07:19 ‹Lilith› It was mentioned in the "Products Wanted" thread.
28/05/2008 05:07:34 ‹Lilith› CD Lunching, Hellknights (LE) and Judicators (LN)! :D
28/05/2008 05:07:40 ‹Russ› Jason - speaking of, I somewhat approve of the defense spells being less absolute, but I do think
the bonuses for death ward and mind blank need to be higher
28/05/2008 05:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› I actually had a player once who was playing a fighter type (Elmo, from Homlett, in fact)
who, whenever it was his turn to go, leapt out of his chair and acted out how he swung his axe and blocked attacks and moved
around. I'll take a singing character over that ANY day. They're MUCH less dangerous.
28/05/2008 05:07:58 ‹CD Lunching› Lilith, base class
28/05/2008 05:08:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Yes... although it still needs some work
28/05/2008 05:08:02 ‹Absinth› Any chance of a Guide To Varisia book?
28/05/2008 05:08:04 ‹Mothman› Jason, I just got Flight of the Red Raven (which looks very good by the way) - was there much
difference in the editing process with this one, being the result of an Open Call? (not to belittle Hill Giant's writing
skills at all)!
28/05/2008 05:08:10 ‹Blazej› I thought the Hellknights were less evil and more not nice.
28/05/2008 05:08:14 * CD Lunching changes his/her nickname to CD Working
28/05/2008 05:08:17 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> What do you mean by "drag n' drop"?
28/05/2008 05:08:33 ‹PeteA› What still needs some work?
28/05/2008 05:08:33 ‹Absinth› Generic towns?
28/05/2008 05:08:38 ‹JasonBulmahn› Mothman> I am not sure.. I have not read it.. I stepped out of the process right before
this came in...
28/05/2008 05:08:39 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> There certailny is a chance for a Guide to Varisia book. Would folk be
interested in that?
28/05/2008 05:08:44 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, ah, a book of typical settlements. Shoanti camp, Chelaxian city, Linnorm King
stronghold.
28/05/2008 05:08:52 ‹Lilith› YES (on the Guide to Varisia)!
28/05/2008 05:09:02 * Russ wants PF #10 to ship, darn it
28/05/2008 05:09:08 ‹Eyebite› Ah yes - Flight of the Red Raven - I thought it was very good. I would like to see more from
Mr. Hill Giant
28/05/2008 05:09:13 ‹Mothman› Jason: Oh, fair enough - I imagine you had a few other things to work on .... ;-)
28/05/2008 05:09:15 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn: Any chance the 2+Int skills will be bumped up to 4/level? :)
28/05/2008 05:09:21 ‹Justin Sluder› YES!
28/05/2008 05:09:25 ‹James Jacobs› Probably not: We're already doing "generic towns" in Pathfinder now and then. You get to
see a Shoanti camp in Pathfinder 10, for example. So yeah; we will, but they'll be part of adventures for the most part, not
standalone products.
28/05/2008 05:09:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, ah, so no "book of" any time soon.
28/05/2008 05:09:49 ‹James Jacobs› Nope
28/05/2008 05:09:56 * Lilith pouts. :cry:
28/05/2008 05:09:57 ‹Justin Sluder› Yes! I am all for more info about any area of the world!
05:10:24 ‹James Jacobs› I'm honestly not sure why so many folk are ravenous for the 2+ skills to be bumped to 4+... it's
better, In my mind, to be wanting more skills rather than to be content with the number you have...
28/05/2008 05:10:24 ‹yoda8myhead› Guide to Varisia would be cool
28/05/2008 05:10:27 ‹Mothman› By the way James, support in this quarter for more "cinematic" scenes in Pathfinder!
28/05/2008 05:10:38 ‹James Jacobs› HA! cool
28/05/2008 05:10:43 ‹PeteA› Sports Update: Mariners have finally won a game. Asmodeus reports icicles starting to build
up.
28/05/2008 05:10:46 ‹yoda8myhead› something to flesh out the brief descriptions in the article in PF3
28/05/2008 05:10:50 ‹Russ› James> Well, for starters, because the game has too many knowledge skills.
28/05/2008 05:10:50 ‹James Jacobs› That whole thread is soul-drainingly frustrating.
28/05/2008 05:10:57 ‹Absinth› I'd love to see one with a huge section on Kaer Magna, something about Janderhoff etc. , maybe
a section about the ruins (especially on the Sunken Queen) and the runelords. I'd like to know more about the mushfens too.
As I heard about the APs leaving Varisia I was a little sad because there's so much interesting stuff that hasn't been
explained yet.
28/05/2008 05:11:01 ‹CD Working› I prefer geography to history
28/05/2008 05:11:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I believe if you ask if we want more Pathfinder stuff, the answer will always be
"Yes." :P
28/05/2008 05:11:19 ‹Justin Sluder› I don't care about the skill point change, I can work with what I get.
28/05/2008 05:11:19 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> You'll be seeing QUITE A LOT on the XXXX in Pathfinder 12, for one thing...
28/05/2008 05:11:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't know if anyone would care for it, but one of the things I kind of wish had come
out for the Realms was a book of NPCs, fully fleshed out but "generic," at various levels, i.e. Zhent soldiers, captains,
etc. Don't know if a similar Golarion product would interest anyone.
28/05/2008 05:11:30 ‹Russ› It takes a shockingly large number of skill points to be become even slightly versed in knowledge
28/05/2008 05:11:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, A fair point. I usually just give everybody an extra 2 points per level anyway.
:P
28/05/2008 05:11:51 ‹Russ› Consider as well how many points it takes to play two instruments at alll well
28/05/2008 05:12:04 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, http://www.dmtools.org/ :P
28/05/2008 05:12:05 ‹Blazej› I know I want 4+ skills, but for me, that just might be more because I want more skill points.
I would probably would say "yes" to all classes get 8 + int skills because that means I would get more skills.
28/05/2008 05:12:08 ‹James Jacobs› Those are good reasons to play a bard in PF RPG.
28/05/2008 05:12:09 ‹Russ› I've been giving folks two points per level in knowledge/craft/perform/profession for ages
28/05/2008 05:12:10 ‹PeteA› Actually, I think there's plenty on Varisia, with all three major cities and the other info.
Time to expand other areas. River Kingdoms!
28/05/2008 05:12:11 ‹Wyvern› Lilith, I disagree. I don't want every single Golarion commoner detailed.
28/05/2008 05:12:22 ‹Russ› Because otherwise, nearly every class winds up completely ignorant
28/05/2008 05:12:26 ‹Wyvern› Leave room for my own stuff.
28/05/2008 05:12:35 ‹Wyvern› For my ideas, for my campaign,
28/05/2008 05:12:40 ‹Russ› Look how high the DC is for "recognize a troll".
28/05/2008 05:12:41 ‹James Jacobs› I'm okay with not every class being a professor.
28/05/2008 05:12:46 ‹Lilith› Wyvern, just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use it. :)
28/05/2008 05:12:47 ‹Russ› Let alone "know a troll regenerates"
28/05/2008 05:12:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Lilith . . .I've definitely used that before :lol:
28/05/2008 05:12:58 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, good! :D
28/05/2008 05:13:06 ‹Russ› James> are you ok with most PCs not being able to recognize an orc?
28/05/2008 05:13:28 ‹Russ› Orc's DC 11. You need a rank in knowledge (local) to be able to know an orc when you see one.
Core rules are great!
28/05/2008 05:13:30 ‹James Jacobs› The "recognize monsters" bit of knowledge checks is kinda stupid as it is. I mean... by
those rules, it's easier to recognize and know what an umplebly is than the Tarrasque. And it's easier to know about a 5th
level commoner vampire than it is to know about Dracula.
28/05/2008 05:13:38 ‹JasonBulmahn› Concerning skills... it is easy enough to add them to your campaign.. and as always.. if
you want a character with more skills, take a good Int...
28/05/2008 05:13:43 ‹Blazej› I know I shouldn't get that many skill points, but it is hard to for me to turn down more skill
points.
28/05/2008 05:14:02 ‹Russ› PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider condensing the number of knowledge skills.
28/05/2008 05:14:14 ‹Russ› To know about a nation, you need high ranks in geography, local, history AND nobility. Just
insane.
28/05/2008 05:14:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> alright... no... :-)
28/05/2008 05:14:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› I think I timed out when I posted it before, but is thre any chance of getting a
version of the MM IV monster knowlege skill, i.e. having it based on CR rather than hit dice?
28/05/2008 05:14:31 ‹James Jacobs› To know A LOT about a nation, perhaps.
28/05/2008 05:14:40 ‹Blazej› Knowledge (arcana) is the only skill that has additional capabilities beyond the other skills.
Might the other knowledges get different abilites?
28/05/2008 05:14:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Yes...
28/05/2008 05:15:02 ‹Blazej› Woo?
28/05/2008 05:15:06 ‹Russ› And all that local does you absolutely DIDDLY if you want to find a guy, for that you needed
diplomacy, oops. :)
28/05/2008 05:15:06 ‹Blazej› Woo?
28/05/2008 05:15:07 ‹Blazej› WOO!
28/05/2008 05:15:13 ‹James Jacobs› The MM IV style knowledge roles are lame too. They shackle the GM into what he can and
can't reveal about a monster, and WORSE... they take up a quarter of a page parroting information we just told you earlier
on the page. Lame.
28/05/2008 05:15:17 ‹Wyvern› Another shot in the dark for ya: iterative attacks, get rid of them! Or not, I don't mind now,
I have changed that anyway ;)
28/05/2008 05:15:27 ‹Russ› I also hate that you need Arcana AND Spellcraft to know magic.
28/05/2008 05:15:33 ‹James Jacobs› My vote would be to have some sort of rule where you make a Knowledge check and the GM
decides what to tell you.
28/05/2008 05:15:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, let me clarify . . .
28/05/2008 05:15:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› I just like the DC being the CR instead of HD.
28/05/2008 05:15:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> To "Know" a nation.. what would you define that as.. i know where all the major
cities are.. who the rulers are... when the country was founded... all of these I would put at a DC 10.. no ranks needed...
28/05/2008 05:15:56 ‹Wyvern› I've made it +5 dmg for each iterative attack you are supposed to have.
28/05/2008 05:15:59 ‹Justin Sluder› okay, the Justin is tired enough
28/05/2008 05:16:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› As you will see in the Beta list of sample Knowledge DCs
28/05/2008 05:16:03 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night all
28/05/2008 05:16:05 ‹James Jacobs› DC = CR is better than DC = HD, but the problem remains.
28/05/2008 05:16:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› I still like determining what the PCs get based on what they were trying ti figure out.
28/05/2008 05:16:09 ‹Pygon› bye Justin
28/05/2008 05:16:14 ‹Justin Sluder› be neutral
28/05/2008 05:16:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> You used to need Concentration too
28/05/2008 05:16:15 ‹Absinth› Night, Justin
28/05/2008 05:16:21 ‹Justin Sluder› and have fun with it
28/05/2008 05:16:23 ‹Pygon› ok! meh.
28/05/2008 05:16:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› I too hated the "excatly what you know based on the check" chart.
28/05/2008 05:16:28 ‹PeteA› I appreciate the samples, those are good for crafting your own
28/05/2008 05:16:30 ‹yoda8myhead› I tend to allow knowledge checks untrained with a circumstance penalty
28/05/2008 05:16:37 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, same.
28/05/2008 05:16:35 * Justin Sluder quit
28/05/2008 05:16:39 ‹Russ› Some idjit in Living Greyhawk made knowing about the invoked devastation - at all - DC 35 (sighs)
28/05/2008 05:16:42 ‹yoda8myhead› most people who are at all aware of the world know a little about everything
28/05/2008 05:16:53 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> You will be happy to know I put in the common vs rare monster clause in that DC
info
28/05/2008 05:17:06 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> That was not me.. I swear
28/05/2008 05:17:07 ‹yoda8myhead› granted, in a fantasy setting there's no 12 year mandatory education system, or the
internet or CNN but still
28/05/2008 05:17:08 ‹James Jacobs› Also... if someone asks, "I wanna know about this monster's defenses," and makes the
check, and the author just decided to arrange the table so that defenses for this monster happen to be higher than normal...
that sucks.
28/05/2008 05:17:16 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> That's why you rock.
28/05/2008 05:17:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> I know
28/05/2008 05:17:42 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> THat's not a rules problem. That's a lame DM problem.
28/05/2008 05:17:46 ‹Russ› Anyhow, the poor cleric is a good example: needs diplomacy, spellcraft, religion, healing just to
be good at what the class does. Gets 2 points. Ouch if you aren't human.
28/05/2008 05:18:00 ‹James Jacobs› No amount of rules clarification and tweaking will cure the lame DMs of the world.
28/05/2008 05:18:04 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:18:08 ‹PeteA› Can we put a rule in the Beta about lame DM's?
28/05/2008 05:18:18 ‹Wyvern› Ha! So true.
28/05/2008 05:18:23 ‹yoda8myhead› James>Drat! That's what I was banking on PF RPG for!
28/05/2008 05:18:28 ‹Russ› James> Yes, usually the in-product tables sucks. They do things like making knowing a troll
regenerates be a top DC.
28/05/2008 05:18:31 ‹James Jacobs› Why does the cleric need spellcraft? And healing? bleh; if anyone DOESN'T need healing,
it's the cleric! :)
28/05/2008 05:18:34 ‹Pygon› "If you're a lame DM, stop it." shoudl suffice
28/05/2008 05:18:49 ‹Wyvern› Rule 0.5
28/05/2008 05:18:50 ‹Russ› James> Patfhinder RPG, Spellcraft replaces Concentration.
28/05/2008 05:18:53 ‹Rathendar› no, because then we'll have posts accusing other people of being a lame dm ;) and the
trolls will set up shop =/under the bridge even
28/05/2008 05:19:07 ‹Russ› Healing because you're gonna be stopping some poisons and diseases at low to mid levels.
28/05/2008 05:19:08 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, in Golarion, trolls are soothsayers who read their own entrails. People'd have to
know about their regeneration
28/05/2008 05:19:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pygon> I'll consider it
28/05/2008 05:19:10 ‹Blazej› I would like advise on what order to give the information or how to deliver it.
28/05/2008 05:19:11 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Fair enough.
28/05/2008 05:19:24 ‹PeteA› house rule I use is the cleric can use heal to tell how injured a comrade or opponent is
28/05/2008 05:19:26 ‹James Jacobs› That just means you'll need to make choices.
28/05/2008 05:19:29 ‹Russ› If we were talking 3.5E, I would have replaced that Spellcraft with Concentration :)
28/05/2008 05:19:29 * Crimson Jester joins Main
28/05/2008 05:19:39 ‹Blazej› PeteA, "He's dead Jim"
28/05/2008 05:19:42 ‹Daigle› Howdy CJ
28/05/2008 05:19:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› brb... 3 min
28/05/2008 05:19:56 ‹Russ› Yeah, but the choices shouldn't be "give up what I should be good at", it shoild be more along
the lines of "pick one side skill to be good at"
28/05/2008 05:20:05 ‹James Jacobs› I mean... the classes like ranger and bard and rogue; one of their big claims is how many
skills they get. If we inflate the other classes, we should inflate them too, and all of a sudden you have an arms race.
28/05/2008 05:20:21 ‹PeteA› skill monkeys unite
28/05/2008 05:20:31 ‹Rathendar› i have to side with russ regarding the healing. to me, it seems that learning the healing
skill before healing spells would be like learning to walk before you can run. and sense you have a single digit number of
heals per day...the ability to provide longterm care, tend to ailments in a village thats suffered depredations, etc ...its
a useful skill.
28/05/2008 05:20:39 ‹James Jacobs› ANYWAY: If the Beta playtest reveals that skill points are too low, we'll fix it for the
final. There's not much point arguing about it in this chat.
28/05/2008 05:20:42 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Daigle...... I seem to have step in the middel of something.
28/05/2008 05:20:49 ‹Absinth› Hey CJ!
28/05/2008 05:21:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Thanks James!
28/05/2008 05:21:04 ‹Russ› rangers are skill going to have 6 skills and get more than the other classes.
28/05/2008 05:21:17 ‹yoda8myhead› we're turning the chat into a replicant of the mb's
28/05/2008 05:21:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Absinth how are you fine sir?
28/05/2008 05:21:28 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, LOL.
28/05/2008 05:21:36 ‹Daigle› :lol:
28/05/2008 05:21:38 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. If we're gonna devolve into arguing about rules changes and all that... I"m gonna
check out and play Age of Conan.
28/05/2008 05:21:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, what's your favorite class and iconic so far?
28/05/2008 05:21:40 ‹Daigle› totally
28/05/2008 05:21:40 ‹Rathendar› also, the skilsl that rangers get have been condensed so they technically get more then they
were able to before. same with rogues.
28/05/2008 05:21:50 ‹James Jacobs› My favorite class remains bard.
28/05/2008 05:21:50 ‹Russ› MMORPGS are a sickness!
28/05/2008 05:21:56 ‹James Jacobs› With cleric a CLOSE second.
28/05/2008 05:22:00 ‹Rathendar› ah sorry, i'll be quiet
28/05/2008 05:22:01 ‹Pygon› James - have you played it? what do you think?
28/05/2008 05:22:06 ‹Absinth› CJ, thanks, a little tired but fine...
28/05/2008 05:22:07 ‹James Jacobs› So are pointless internet arguments, Russ.
28/05/2008 05:22:25 ‹Russ› my favorites are probably wizards, then barbarians :)
28/05/2008 05:22:34 ‹Blazej› My favorite...
28/05/2008 05:22:37 ‹Crimson Jester› James do you stick to a particular class when playing or do you like to mix it up a
bit?
28/05/2008 05:22:38 ‹Rathendar› tried AoC here, am liking my bear shaman once i got to 15.
28/05/2008 05:22:40 ‹Daigle› Jason didn't hurt my rogue, so I'm happy. :D
28/05/2008 05:22:44 ‹Russ› (barbarians, who are curiously more skillfull than fighters... :)
28/05/2008 05:22:53 ‹James Jacobs› I have! It's quite fun! They did a pretty good job capturing the feel of Howard's world,
but also retaining cool game play. Good times! Also? Since it's Rated M, there's a LOT fewer annoying kids online, which is
cool.
28/05/2008 05:23:04 ‹Blazej› Is the Barbar ... no the Sorce ... I do love me some Fight...
28/05/2008 05:23:05 ‹James Jacobs› My favorite iconic remains Merisiel, with Amiri a VERY close second.
28/05/2008 05:23:08 ‹Crimson Jester› lol
28/05/2008 05:23:12 ‹paul› how many servers do they have
28/05/2008 05:23:17 ‹Mothman› James, Jason, what did you guys think of Indiana Jones? What CR would you put on those ant
swarms?
28/05/2008 05:23:23 ‹James Jacobs› I don't know. A fair amount.
28/05/2008 05:23:26 ‹Blazej› Rang .... Bar !
28/05/2008 05:23:29 ‹Russ› NO SPOILERS!
28/05/2008 05:23:30 ‹Daigle› Least favorite Iconic?
28/05/2008 05:23:32 ‹Blazej› I can't pick!
28/05/2008 05:23:41 ‹yoda8myhead› Mothman, no Indy spoilers!
28/05/2008 05:23:44 ‹yoda8myhead› [-X
28/05/2008 05:23:45 ‹Crimson Jester› Those damn ants were bad!!!
28/05/2008 05:23:50 ‹Blazej› NO!
28/05/2008 05:23:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh.
28/05/2008 05:23:52 ‹Blazej› BAD!
28/05/2008 05:23:57 ‹James Jacobs› I was disapointed by Indiana Jones. It was fun... but there was too much CGI and cheesy
cute stuff in it for my tastes. As for the swarm? I'd say CR 8 or so. They skeletonized folk pretty fast...
28/05/2008 05:23:59 ‹Daigle› :lol:
28/05/2008 05:24:00 * Russ slaps CJ and Mothman around
28/05/2008 05:24:17 ‹yoda8myhead› ok folks. I'm going to bed
28/05/2008 05:24:18 * Pygon plugs his ears and sings "lalalala"
28/05/2008 05:24:24 ‹Crimson Jester› So sorry Russ
28/05/2008 05:24:25 ‹PeteA› Clerics rock. Best character class hands down. armor plus spells. especially if you include
the newer uses for turning.
28/05/2008 05:24:27 ‹Pygon› good night yoda
28/05/2008 05:24:29 ‹Daigle› Goodnight yoda!
28/05/2008 05:24:35 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Yoda
28/05/2008 05:24:37 ‹Blazej› What about their gaze attack that turns people into crystal!
28/05/2008 05:24:39 * yoda8myhead dreams of getting a backstory for Valeros...
28/05/2008 05:24:39 ‹Wyvern› See ya yoda
28/05/2008 05:24:40 ‹Russ› Soooo is PF #10 in the warehouse?
28/05/2008 05:24:53 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> I stick to one class. I started Warcraft on release day, and I only have one
70th level character right now. It's very difficult for me to abandon the long-time character to try out others.
28/05/2008 05:24:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, do you have any other known shared world authors waiting in the wings, and can
you share who they are?
28/05/2008 05:25:05 ‹Absinth› Night, Yoda, may the force be with you...:)
28/05/2008 05:25:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night yoda . . .
28/05/2008 05:25:27 ‹Blazej› Night yoda.
28/05/2008 05:25:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› I am back.. but this is my last call for questions.. the beta calls
28/05/2008 05:25:30 ‹PeteA› When will more details on PF Society be out? Factions, etc.
28/05/2008 05:25:41 ‹Pygon› thanks for your time again Jason
28/05/2008 05:25:43 ‹James Jacobs› PF 10 is not in the warehouse yet. We expect it in the middle of June or so.
28/05/2008 05:25:45 ‹Rathendar› what class did you make in AoC james?
28/05/2008 05:25:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, so in the hypothetical Pathfinder MMO, would you want it to be more Warcraft, or
more Age of Conan?
28/05/2008 05:25:49 ‹Blazej› Umm.
28/05/2008 05:25:50 ‹Daigle› beta beta beta!
28/05/2008 05:25:55 ‹Russ› Ouch.
28/05/2008 05:25:59 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, you need beer. :beer::beer::beer:
28/05/2008 05:26:04 ‹Crimson Jester› Jason , what was the hardest part of designing the Alpha for you?
28/05/2008 05:26:04 * yoda8myhead quit
28/05/2008 05:26:05 ‹Pygon› middle of June - eek - at least 11 and 12 will ship soon after, hopefully
28/05/2008 05:26:06 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> This is true
28/05/2008 05:26:08 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We've been talking with a few authors, but don't have anything really to anounce
yet.
28/05/2008 05:26:15 ‹Russ› So...when the heck are 11 and 12 gonna ship to meet 13's deadline by mid-August?
28/05/2008 05:26:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Fair enough . . .
28/05/2008 05:26:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> Trying to balance my time... its been rough
28/05/2008 05:26:34 ‹Blazej› JasonBulmahn, Will you finally fix *INSERT THING*?
28/05/2008 05:26:34 ‹Mothman› Uh, sorry Russ and Yoda - not much of a spoiler really though....
28/05/2008 05:26:39 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:26:42 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> More Age of Conan. More aimed at the mature audience, and more focused on
storyline with stronger support for solo play.
28/05/2008 05:26:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Yes
28/05/2008 05:26:51 ‹Blazej› Good.
28/05/2008 05:26:53 ‹James Jacobs› Rath> I made a Herald of Xotli.
28/05/2008 05:26:58 ‹JasonBulmahn› No problem
28/05/2008 05:27:02 ‹Rathendar› ahh fun,
28/05/2008 05:27:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Jason, are there going to be any major changes to the OGL PrCs?
28/05/2008 05:27:06 ‹Russ› I need to do a REALLY LONG POST of things that need clarification in a new rulebook, sigh
28/05/2008 05:27:08 ‹PeteA› Jason: Have you written up that Cursed Lot scenario yet? :-)
28/05/2008 05:27:17 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Moth, without spoiling anymore, did you liek the opening? Or was it too cheesy??
28/05/2008 05:27:21 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yeah; we're hoping to get 11 and 12 shipped by the end of July.
28/05/2008 05:27:27 ‹Rathendar› i like the fact that most talent builds are viable. instead of "you have to have x"
28/05/2008 05:27:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› Knight> No.. I do not think they will be in the Beta actually.. space is running out
28/05/2008 05:27:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gotcha.
28/05/2008 05:28:04 ‹Blazej› JasonBulmahn, Do paladin levels and cleric levels stack for determining the strength of channel
energy?
28/05/2008 05:28:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Make it quick.. and send it to me directly...
28/05/2008 05:28:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Yes
28/05/2008 05:28:21 ‹James Jacobs› Rath> Yeah; that's pretty cool. one of the thigns that annoyed me lately about Warcraft;
how without a tank or healer, you'er basically dead in the water on the dungeons.Having a hunter = hard to find groups...
28/05/2008 05:28:30 ‹Blazej› Ok, thanks.
28/05/2008 05:28:32 ‹Mothman› CJ: I didn't mind it - didn't have the problems with it that some folk seemed to have. A
certain scene with a certain piece of kitchen white-good was a bit over the top ... but there's probably been things almost
as over the top in the franchise before that didn't worry me
28/05/2008 05:28:42 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> Is the Cursed Lot the one on the other side of the wall in that old movie "The
Sandlot"?
28/05/2008 05:29:01 ‹Rathendar› Jason? you posted on your blog that you were backing off from teh 'combat feats'. the feat
sthat were intruduced originally like vital strike, and such. will they still exist? piossibly tweaked a bit?
28/05/2008 05:29:04 ‹JasonBulmah
28/05/2008 05:31:50 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Dear God. I almost forgot that movie.
28/05/2008 05:31:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Ugg
28/05/2008 05:31:52 ‹Pygon› good god
28/05/2008 05:31:55 ‹PeteA› My kid owned that movie. Watched it like 20 times.
28/05/2008 05:31:59 ‹PeteA› gah
28/05/2008 05:32:07 ‹Pygon› did the laughs ever stop?
28/05/2008 05:32:08 ‹Daigle› Holy shit!
28/05/2008 05:32:12 ‹Blazej› But it had Game Gear... I think.
28/05/2008 05:32:12 ‹JasonBulmahn› i love the tag line at the top... awesome
28/05/2008 05:32:17 ‹Crimson Jester› teenage mutant ninja turtle crossed with home alone...they actually wrote that
28/05/2008 05:32:27 ‹Daigle› That's the worst part!
28/05/2008 05:32:28 ‹Mothman› wow, that movie must have sucked
28/05/2008 05:32:31 ‹Lilith› Blazej, Yeah, I think it was the Sega Game Gear.
28/05/2008 05:32:35 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:32:38 ‹Crimson Jester› oh yes it did
28/05/2008 05:32:41 ‹James Jacobs› I was working in a movie theater when 3 Ninjas came out, and I had to put that poster up
in the display. It just about blinded me.
28/05/2008 05:32:48 ‹Crimson Jester› not the worst movie ever but close
28/05/2008 05:32:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yowsa...
28/05/2008 05:32:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Well.. i gotta run...
28/05/2008 05:33:04 ‹PeteA› Jason: Are there plans to leave out parts of the SRD? I.E. Creative non-printing?
28/05/2008 05:33:09 ‹Pygon› good night Jason
28/05/2008 05:33:10 ‹Daigle› Have a good night, Jason!
28/05/2008 05:33:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Take it easy everybody...
28/05/2008 05:33:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Yup
28/05/2008 05:33:15 ‹Blazej› Although I think it was grossly innaccurate in the protrayal of the Game Gear. They only
needed to change the batteries once during the movie.
28/05/2008 05:33:18 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Jason
28/05/2008 05:33:19 ‹Lilith› Night Jason! :D
28/05/2008 05:33:22 ‹PeteA› Later!
28/05/2008 05:33:22 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Space is at a premium
28/05/2008 05:33:29 ‹Blazej› Night Jason.
28/05/2008 05:33:32 ‹Russ› Thanks for the hard work, Jason
28/05/2008 05:33:35 ‹Wyvern› Thanks for coming Jason.
28/05/2008 05:33:40 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya tomorrow, Jason!
28/05/2008 05:33:44 ‹JasonBulmahn› Take care folks.. talk to you all next week...
28/05/2008 05:33:52 ‹Mothman› see you Jason
28/05/2008 05:33:57 ‹Crimson Jester› woot we have him addicted
28/05/2008 05:34:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yup... btw James.. did you get me that Gun I asked for?
28/05/2008 05:34:12 ‹Crimson Jester› Gun what Gun
05:34:27 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> It's in the works. I gotta try it out first.
28/05/2008 05:34:27 * seekerofshadowlight joins Main
28/05/2008 05:34:35 ‹PeteA› "Jason's got a gun, whole world's come undone"
28/05/2008 05:34:36 ‹Daigle› Howdy seeker
28/05/2008 05:34:37 ‹Mothman› hey seeker
28/05/2008 05:34:38 ‹JasonBulmahn› One cannot go on a "Kill Crazy Rampage" without one
28/05/2008 05:34:49 ‹Crimson Jester› 8-[
28/05/2008 05:34:53 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Nice... just make sure to wipe it off when you are done...
28/05/2008 05:35:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› HEY Daigle, Mothman,
28/05/2008 05:35:07 * Lilith gives JasonBulmahn the nerf minigun.
28/05/2008 05:35:08 ‹PeteA› "Postal" - great movie
28/05/2008 05:35:14 ‹Crimson Jester› Howdy Seeker
28/05/2008 05:35:19 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright.. night everybody... ttyl
28/05/2008 05:35:24 * Samwise joins Main
28/05/2008 05:35:29 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey CJ
28/05/2008 05:35:33 ‹Crimson Jester› Hiya Samwse
28/05/2008 05:35:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite jason
28/05/2008 05:35:37 ‹David› hi seeker!
28/05/2008 05:35:38 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
28/05/2008 05:35:44 ‹Lilith› Samwise! :squee::glomp:
28/05/2008 05:35:45 * robert_hawk quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:35:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey david
28/05/2008 05:35:54 ‹James Jacobs› I cannot CONCIEVE of Postal being a great movie. Not because of its content. Because of
its director.
28/05/2008 05:36:02 * Crimson Jester cries Lilith doesnt glomp me anymore
28/05/2008 05:36:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Uwe Boll is the devil's spawn.
28/05/2008 05:36:15 ‹David› me eeither
28/05/2008 05:36:15 ‹Crimson Jester› who directed it?
28/05/2008 05:36:18 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester!
28/05/2008 05:36:22 * JasonBulmahn quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:36:24 ‹PeteA› Uwe's genius is just misundertood.
28/05/2008 05:36:31 * Lilith runs over, trips Crimson Jester, then glomps him. :glomp:
28/05/2008 05:36:31 ‹Zaister› good morning
28/05/2008 05:36:33 ‹Rathendar› hahahahahahahaha
28/05/2008 05:36:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Calling Uwe Boll the devil's spawn is an insult to the infernal . . .
28/05/2008 05:36:50 ‹Lilith› PeteA, yeah, his genius of uniting XBox and PS3 owners into hating him.
28/05/2008 05:36:54 ‹Crimson Jester› :lol:
28/05/2008 05:36:56 ‹Daigle› Morning Zaister
28/05/2008 05:36:59 ‹Blazej› http://www.jacksofscience.com/...ion.jpg
28/05/2008 05:37:08 ‹Rathendar› theres no room for his genius with his ego =/
28/05/2008 05:37:13 ‹James Jacobs› Directed by Uwe Boll... perhaps the worst living director.
28/05/2008 05:37:35 ‹Wyvern› Did you vote for him not to direct nothing ever again?
28/05/2008 05:37:39 ‹Russ› I dunno. I think Waters is worse.
28/05/2008 05:37:43 ‹James Jacobs› His movies routinely end up in the lower half of the worst-reviewed movies on rotten
tomatoes, for example. He's got at least 2 in the top 10 worst-reviewed.
28/05/2008 05:37:49 ‹Russ› Uwe is just bad, rather than revolting.
28/05/2008 05:37:51 ‹Daigle› How does he keep getting money to make these...films?
28/05/2008 05:37:57 ‹James Jacobs› Waters is better than Boll. At least Waters is good at SOMETHING.
28/05/2008 05:38:15 ‹Blazej› I know someone who likes Uwe Boll's movies, but he is a lover of horrible movies while knowing
that they are horrible.
28/05/2008 05:38:17 ‹Crimson Jester› ah he did bloodrayne
28/05/2008 05:38:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, at least in this era of movies like Iron Man, with its respect for source
material, its nice to see someone like Uwe that still has the balls to say, "screw the fans, Hollywood can do this better!"
28/05/2008 05:38:25 ‹Russ› Apparently his movies really are a tax dodge
28/05/2008 05:38:28 ‹Russ› If they fail, the investors get to deduct 100% of the cost
28/05/2008 05:38:35 ‹James Jacobs› There's some crazy law in Germany that guarentees a return on movie making or something;
so even when his movies like Dungeon Siege cost 60 million and make only 4 million, he and his investors make money.
28/05/2008 05:38:39 ‹Wyvern› CJ 1 and 2?
28/05/2008 05:38:45 ‹James Jacobs› I believe that law's been changed recently, though.
28/05/2008 05:38:49 ‹PeteA› It's the Producers!
28/05/2008 05:38:49 ‹Russ› They don't make money, but they don't lose anything
28/05/2008 05:38:51 * Lilith avoided Dungeon Siege.
28/05/2008 05:38:55 ‹Crimson Jester› http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0093051/
28/05/2008 05:38:56 ‹Russ› He makes money, they break even :)
28/05/2008 05:39:00 ‹PeteA› "Springtime for Hitler"
28/05/2008 05:39:09 ‹Crimson Jester› Wyvern and #3
28/05/2008 05:39:15 ‹Rathendar› that movie scared me, i was afraid to go see it =/
28/05/2008 05:39:18 ‹Russ› Supposedly it is still okay for him, since he was using the law the way it was supposed to be
used
28/05/2008 05:39:20 ‹Lilith› The movie. The game was enjoyable hack n' slash.
28/05/2008 05:39:25 ‹Wyvern› There is a 3?!
28/05/2008 05:39:26 ‹PeteA› btw, I might have been joking about Uwe. Maybe.
28/05/2008 05:39:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› When I saw that Burt Reynolds was in a Dungeon Seige movie, I knew it was time to write
the movie off . . .
28/05/2008 05:39:37 ‹Absinth› James, I am from germany and never heard of this. Might be one of the rumours like the one
that the kids in germany are drinking beer in school...
28/05/2008 05:39:42 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh... Uwe Boll just offends me on every possible artistic level I can be offended on.
28/05/2008 05:40:00 ‹Crimson Jester› http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1159482/ in production
28/05/2008 05:40:03 * Rathendar pats james sympathetically on the back.
28/05/2008 05:40:03 ‹Blazej› I remember when Gas Powered Games came to my school and they talked how some person approached
them about making the Dungeon Siege movie.
28/05/2008 05:40:26 ‹James Jacobs› If somehow we could divert all the money and support Boll is getting over to Herzog...
then we'd be getting somewhere! :)
28/05/2008 05:40:38 ‹Blazej› The didn't know anything about Uwe Boll when they approved it.
28/05/2008 05:40:47 ‹Crimson Jester› no the rumor is that if a kid can place the money on the counter he can buy a beer in
germany
28/05/2008 05:41:13 ‹Rathendar› maybe herzog is using Uwe as an alias, and this tax dodge is a money scheme.
28/05/2008 05:41:13 ‹James Jacobs› Boll is the Anti-Herzog
28/05/2008 05:41:25 ‹PeteA› He's the master of the gratuitous slow-mo
28/05/2008 05:42:00 ‹Crimson Jester› Werner Herzog?
28/05/2008 05:42:04 ‹Daigle› This is the firt time I was made aware of Uwe Boll http://www.wired.com/wired/arc...ll.html
28/05/2008 05:42:05 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
28/05/2008 05:42:10 ‹Absinth› CJ, some time ago I was asked in a chat if it's true that german kids are drinking beer in
school. And if I own a kuckkucks clock...:)
28/05/2008 05:42:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm just hoping Hulk is in the same ball park as Iron Man . . .
28/05/2008 05:42:26 ‹James Jacobs› Werner Herzog = Living Genius
28/05/2008 05:42:37 * David quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:42:40 ‹Rathendar› hulk shoudl be good.
28/05/2008 05:42:48 ‹Crimson Jester› My wifes family name is Kukuk and they made the clocks
28/05/2008 05:42:51 ‹Blazej› I would be fine if Hulk was in the parking lot near Iron Man.
28/05/2008 05:42:51 ‹Russ› http://www.escapistmagazine.co...ax-Code goes into a bit
28/05/2008 05:42:55 ‹Wyvern› I saw a preview of Dungeon Siege yesterday, at the beginning of AVPR. It didn't look half bad,
better than the D&D movies me thinks.
28/05/2008 05:42:57 * PeteA quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:42:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› BTW . . . the original Hulk movie, for me, was proof that even brilliant directors can
screw up big time.
28/05/2008 05:43:04 ‹Rathendar› marvels doing their own movies now, not giving rights to a director for their vision
28/05/2008 05:43:43 ‹Rathendar› so hulk, thor, cap america, and the avengers movies should all be solid.
28/05/2008 05:43:49 ‹James Jacobs› I haven't seen Dungeon Siege... but I would bet BIG MONEY that both D&D movies are
better.
28/05/2008 05:44:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, that's the first time anyone has said that about the D&D movies . . .
28/05/2008 05:44:14 ‹James Jacobs› Rath> Mabye. We'll see. I'm currently of the opinion that Iron Man was more luck than
savvy.
28/05/2008 05:44:15 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Ouch! :D
28/05/2008 05:44:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› And I think your are right.
28/05/2008 05:44:29 ‹Crimson Jester› there is no way the first dnd movie coudl be better
28/05/2008 05:44:38 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, pick a director/cast for the Pathfinder movie. Would you do Rise of the
Runelords?
28/05/2008 05:44:40 ‹Rathendar› luck howso? or rather in what regards?
28/05/2008 05:44:42 ‹Russ› The 2nd D&D movie wasn't bad
28/05/2008 05:44:43 * Absinth quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:44:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Marvel being in charge might be a good thing, but honestly, they still have Joe Quesada
in charge.
28/05/2008 05:45:02 ‹James Jacobs› Luck in that they got the right director, the right writer, the right actors, all that.
28/05/2008 05:45:08 ‹Russ› If gamers weren't such elitist asses, they'd be happy to have the second film, which was quite
tolerable genre fare
28/05/2008 05:45:20 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah well it could be worse have you seen what they are planning to do with the
spirit?
28/05/2008 05:45:25 ‹Samwise› what second film?
28/05/2008 05:45:35 ‹Lilith› Samwise, D&D.
28/05/2008 05:45:41 ‹Russ› Sam - what, you saying the one with Snails doesn't exist? :)
28/05/2008 05:45:48 * BM quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:45:51 ‹James Jacobs› The 2nd D&D movie was bad... but better than the first one. And teh first one was better
than anything Uwe Boll has ever or will ever direct.
28/05/2008 05:45:53 ‹Lilith› Russ, I far prefer the second D&D movie to the first.
28/05/2008 05:45:59 ‹Rathendar› well..i don't consider that luck james. as i mentioned, iron man was the first movie marvel
comics has produced themselves. thats teh bar i'm hoping to see a trend as set to from them.
28/05/2008 05:46:07 ‹Crimson Jester› http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0406728/
28/05/2008 05:46:09 ‹Samwise› no, im saying what rational person could call the second D&D film "quite tolerable genre fare"
28/05/2008 05:46:12 ‹Russ› The 2nd was no worse than classic films gamers gush about like Willow, Ladyhawke, Flesh + Blood
28/05/2008 05:46:19 * Wyvern agrees with Rath.
28/05/2008 05:46:20 ‹Samwise› the second is better than the first, true
28/05/2008 05:46:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› As long as Joe doesn't decided to invalidate a marriage by infernal bargain in the
movies as well . . .
28/05/2008 05:46:45 ‹Wyvern› They want to make a universe of movies with a common look and feel.
28/05/2008 05:46:51 ‹Rathendar› no freaking kidding
28/05/2008 05:46:54 ‹Crimson Jester› am I the only one who doesnt like Willow?
28/05/2008 05:46:59 ‹James Jacobs› Rath> I'm just saying that the success and quality they hit with Iron Man doesn't
necessarilly mean that they know how to produce movies. It's a good sign, but until I see a few more from them... I'm not
holding my breath for Captain Boring. ;)
28/05/2008 05:47:01 ‹Samwise› but thats like saying month old dog poo on a subzero winter day is better outside your window
than a marmaduke load of fresh steaming stuff on a hot summer day
28/05/2008 05:47:02 * Russ wants more of the DC AU rather than more live-action films
28/05/2008 05:47:02 ‹Rathendar› i liked willow.
28/05/2008 05:47:04 ‹Samwise› and no . . .
28/05/2008 05:47:22 ‹Samwise› the 2nd is horrifically worse than willow, ladyhawke, and flesh & blood
28/05/2008 05:47:25 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> I'm not a huge fan of Willow.
28/05/2008 05:47:28 ‹Russ› I would say Iron Man had a lot to do with the director and actor choosing to wad up large
portions of the marvel-approved script
28/05/2008 05:47:34 ‹Samwise› at least flesh & blood had a nekkid jennifer jason leigh!
28/05/2008 05:47:39 ‹James Jacobs› Even though Valeros is pretty much a Madmardigan ripoff.
28/05/2008 05:47:41 * Russ thanks Samwise for being the elitist gamer of the evening
28/05/2008 05:47:41 ‹Samwise› thats like . . .
28/05/2008 05:47:47 ‹Crimson Jester› Ladyhawk was fabulous except for that awful soundtrck
28/05/2008 05:47:57 ‹Samwise› two whole quantum levels above the D&D movie right there
28/05/2008 05:48:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, lots of substandard movies have high points . . .
28/05/2008 05:48:08 ‹James Jacobs› True
28/05/2008 05:48:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes that was the high point of flesh and Blood sam
28/05/2008 05:48:12 ‹Rathendar› i don't know, i collecetd iron man, and they dipped pretty heavy into teh comics for stuff.
i was very satisfied.
28/05/2008 05:48:15 ‹Mothman› Ha! That's where I've seen Valeros before.
28/05/2008 05:48:25 ‹Mothman› Willow isnt that bad IMO
28/05/2008 05:48:26 ‹James Jacobs› That's the thing with Uwe Boll movies. They DON'T have high points. It's just an
escalating series of flatline suck.
28/05/2008 05:48:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› People in my gaming group quoted Madmartigan for years after they saw that movie.
28/05/2008 05:48:28 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, I agree.
28/05/2008 05:48:59 ‹Crimson Jester› Jennifer Jason Leigh was a very underated actress
28/05/2008 05:49:04 ‹Rathendar› i agree withjames regarding Uwe )
28/05/2008 05:49:04 ‹James Jacobs› Although i remember having a crush on the female archer woman from Willow. I gues I
didn't hate that movie THAT much...
28/05/2008 05:49:33 ‹Rathendar› Sorscha?
28/05/2008 05:49:42 ‹Zaister› I found Willow awfully unoriginal
28/05/2008 05:49:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah, Sorcha . . .
28/05/2008 05:49:49 * Samwise is increasingly not happy with the chat room
28/05/2008 05:49:55 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah! Sorcha!
28/05/2008 05:49:55 ‹Crimson Jester› what about the chick duelweilding axes in that dragon movie that made me hate Sean
Connery?
28/05/2008 05:49:58 ‹Samwise› anyway . . .
28/05/2008 05:50:05 ‹James Jacobs› Which is probably where I ended up coming up with the name Sorshen.
28/05/2008 05:50:06 ‹Lilith› Samwise, :cry:
28/05/2008 05:50:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› weakness for red heads . . .
28/05/2008 05:50:17 ‹James Jacobs› Well... that and "Shensen" too...
28/05/2008 05:50:24 ‹Mothman› she was a hottie
28/05/2008 05:50:26 ‹Russ› Dragonheart? Ugh
28/05/2008 05:50:34 ‹Crimson Jester› yeah that thing
28/05/2008 05:50:37 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, my party just rescued Shensen...:)
28/05/2008 05:50:44 ‹Rathendar› shensen was a popular npc for my shackled city campaign. players liked her
28/05/2008 05:50:47 ‹Crimson Jester› and I bit the bullet and watched dragon heart 2
28/05/2008 05:50:49 ‹Russ› And dragonslayer is another not-that-great movie that gets gamer worship, because it is old.
28/05/2008 05:50:54 ‹Daigle› I'm off to dream. Y'all have a good evening/day.
28/05/2008 05:50:58 ‹Samwise› as for bad sci-fi/fantasy . . .
28/05/2008 05:50:58 ‹James Jacobs› YAY! Well done to your party, Lilith!!
28/05/2008 05:51:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› But, Dragonheart once again featured an attractive red head . . .
28/05/2008 05:51:05 ‹Samwise› pretty much if its on the sci-fi channel, it stinks!
28/05/2008 05:51:05 ‹Pygon› good night Daigle
28/05/2008 05:51:06 ‹Crimson Jester› dragonslayer was very good for the time
28/05/2008 05:51:10 ‹Wyvern› Dragonheart 2?!
28/05/2008 05:51:14 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :woot: Too bad the Lucky Monkey burned down...
28/05/2008 05:51:18 * Daigle grabs his sleeping bag and finds a clear corner.
28/05/2008 05:51:23 ‹Zaister› yay for redheads :)
28/05/2008 05:51:27 ‹James Jacobs› Shensen was, I believe, the first time I ever put one of my characters into an adventure.
28/05/2008 05:51:28 ‹Russ› DS was another "ok" fantasy movie, just like the 2nd D&D movie
28/05/2008 05:51:33 ‹Russ› There's almost NO great fantasy movies.
28/05/2008 05:51:38 ‹Crimson Jester› but if you want to get into old movies that were good........... Sindbad still is
awesome
28/05/2008 05:51:39 ‹Russ› At least in the mainstream.
28/05/2008 05:51:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't know . . . I loved Excalibur.
28/05/2008 05:51:53 ‹James Jacobs› Mainstream is the worst place to look for great fantasy moives, of course...
28/05/2008 05:52:09 ‹James Jacobs› There's plenty out there. But they're expensive to make, so there's not as many out there
as most other genres.
28/05/2008 05:52:11 ‹Zaister› russ: it used to be like they were all crap somehow up until Lord of the Rings
28/05/2008 05:52:13 ‹Russ› Excalibur is one of the most mangled versions of the Arthur mythos ever made
28/05/2008 05:52:17 * Samwise quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:52:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, sweet! :)
28/05/2008 05:52:18 ‹Crimson Jester› ahh Excalibur almost made me want to give up the fantasy genre
28/05/2008 05:52:27 ‹Lilith› I still like the old Ray Harryhausen monster flicks.
28/05/2008 05:52:35 ‹Wyvern› How can there be a Dragonheart 2 when he was the last dragon?
28/05/2008 05:52:40 ‹Russ› Clash of the Titans :)
28/05/2008 05:52:49 ‹Crimson Jester› they had an egg
05:52:50 ‹Blazej› Clones.
28/05/2008 05:52:51 ‹Russ› Wyvern> Two words: Highlander. Two.
28/05/2008 05:52:53 ‹Zaister› ugh
28/05/2008 05:52:53 * Captramses--Partially Human!! joins Main
28/05/2008 05:52:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Horay! I universally suck in my opinions . . ;-)
28/05/2008 05:52:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Clash of the crap
28/05/2008 05:53:04 ‹Rathendar› tLALALALALALALALA
28/05/2008 05:53:07 ‹Lilith› Russ, There should be only one!
28/05/2008 05:53:09 ‹Blazej› Crimson Jester, eww.
28/05/2008 05:53:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Russ good call worst movie ever
28/05/2008 05:53:13 ‹Zaister› robot c3p0 owl!
28/05/2008 05:53:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› I loved Clash of the Titans too . . .
28/05/2008 05:53:17 * Lilith waves at Captramses!
28/05/2008 05:53:18 ‹Russ› There Should Have Been Only One, indeed
28/05/2008 05:53:19 ‹Rathendar› russ do not speak those two words in that order ever again
28/05/2008 05:53:23 ‹James Jacobs› Liilth> Exactly! Seventh Voyage of Sinbad is one of the great GREAT movies.
28/05/2008 05:53:38 ‹Russ› Seventh Voyage makes my list, so does Princess Bridge
28/05/2008 05:53:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I have the Harryhausen boxed set. :)
28/05/2008 05:53:43 ‹James Jacobs› Me too.
28/05/2008 05:53:43 ‹Russ› Bride, too
28/05/2008 05:53:46 ‹James Jacobs› Is awesome.
28/05/2008 05:53:49 ‹Absinth› I'm looking forward to the Hobbit directed by Del Toro
28/05/2008 05:53:59 ‹Zaister› I'm not
28/05/2008 05:54:08 ‹Russ› Absinth> I'm not, it will involve hobbits eating human flesh I am sure
28/05/2008 05:54:09 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› neither am I
28/05/2008 05:54:14 ‹Pygon› We'll see how they do Smaug
28/05/2008 05:54:19 ‹Crimson Jester› The First Highlander movie and almost all of the series up until the fifth season
jumped the shark and then jumped it agian and agian and...............
28/05/2008 05:54:19 ‹James Jacobs› I was never a fan of Princes Bride. It's too "meta" for my tastes. Once a fantasy movie
pulls the "This is a subset of the real world" trick, I get cranky.
28/05/2008 05:54:22 ‹Absinth› Pygon, exactly
28/05/2008 05:54:26 ‹Zaister› Del Toro sayd him self he couldn't stand Tolkienesqur fantasy in an Cannes interview
28/05/2008 05:54:28 ‹Russ› I'm a bit of a rogue. I think the last two LotR movies were borderline bad, though pretty.
28/05/2008 05:54:36 ‹Samwise› cannibal holbytla?
28/05/2008 05:54:39 ‹Samwise› yay!
28/05/2008 05:54:41 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› What do you mean James
28/05/2008 05:54:53 ‹James Jacobs› It's almost as if the movie makers are saying, "The only way you should take this fantasy
movie seriously is if we show you how it's all just a story and made up." Pass.
28/05/2008 05:54:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, I'm checking out . . . been up way too long.
28/05/2008 05:54:53 * Lilith requires food. :vampire:
28/05/2008 05:54:56 ‹Samwise› russ>the 2nd and 3rd parts were bad
28/05/2008 05:54:58 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith is AFK
28/05/2008 05:54:59 ‹Absinth› But Jackson produces it and will make sure that it's in line with LotR
28/05/2008 05:54:59 ‹Zaister› an the idead of "The Hobbit 2" movie is somewhat offensive....
28/05/2008 05:55:01 ‹PeteA› Trauma has a new movie out: Poultrygeist
28/05/2008 05:55:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Take care all.
28/05/2008 05:55:03 ‹Samwise› though pretty
28/05/2008 05:55:09 ‹Crimson Jester› I liked Princess Bride........ and of course the great movie.....................Big
Trouble in little China
28/05/2008 05:55:11 ‹Pygon› but the "I'm not left-handed" thing! I mean, come on! :D
28/05/2008 05:55:13 ‹Russ› James> All that is right out of the book.
28/05/2008 05:55:17 ‹Samwise› the kiwi git should be smacked for trashing tolkien like that
28/05/2008 05:55:18 ‹Mothman› James, you don't like Princess Bride? Dude.... oh well, I guess I can still respect you .....
;-)
28/05/2008 05:55:28 ‹Crimson Jester› we have a kiwi here?
28/05/2008 05:55:29 ‹James Jacobs› I'm sure Del Toro's hobbit movie(s) will rock... but I'm sad since that means "Mountains
of Madness" is now even further away from being done.
28/05/2008 05:55:35 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› I have to agree with James on this one
28/05/2008 05:55:37 ‹Rathendar› big trouble i loved, but i'm a black belt theater vet.
28/05/2008 05:55:41 ‹Russ› BTW, Goldman did another Morgenstern book, The Silent Gondoliers. It is great.
28/05/2008 05:55:51 ‹James Jacobs› Princess Bride would have been a bazillion times better if they cut out all that
"storytime" framing crap.
28/05/2008 05:55:53 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› Although I am not a Del Toro fan
28/05/2008 05:56:02 ‹James Jacobs› Big Trouble = awesome
28/05/2008 05:56:12 ‹Crimson Jester› "where theres a whip theres a way"
28/05/2008 05:56:14 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Right out of the book or not... I hate it. It's lame.
28/05/2008 05:56:15 ‹Russ› Well, if they took out the framing crap, it wouldn't have been based on the book.
28/05/2008 05:56:24 ‹Rathendar› oh, i gotcha james, you didnt like the narration/bedtime story stuff?
28/05/2008 05:56:32 ‹Russ› Although the book did it much better.
28/05/2008 05:56:39 * Zaister handn't seen anything by del Toro
28/05/2008 05:56:44 * Absinth quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:56:57 ‹PeteA› If it hadn't been Columbo, maybe.
28/05/2008 05:57:02 ‹Russ› The book was basically about the kid getting the book his grandfather had read, and finding out
how different it was from the version he was told
28/05/2008 05:57:07 ‹James Jacobs› Rath> Yeah.
28/05/2008 05:57:19 ‹Russ› Peter Falk is a national treasure! In Laws is bloody fantastic
28/05/2008 05:57:23 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:57:25 ‹Pygon› Zaister - Pan's Labyrinth. I liked it. Mileage varies of course.
28/05/2008 05:57:28 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That's actually a cool story. Kinda "rashomon" in nature. But that's not what the
movie was about.
28/05/2008 05:57:35 ‹James Jacobs› Pan's Labyrinth = brilliant.
28/05/2008 05:57:42 ‹Absinth› James, I'm sad about MoM being delayed too
28/05/2008 05:57:45 ‹Rathendar› thats was an interesting flick.
28/05/2008 05:57:51 ‹Crimson Jester› I havent finished watching Pans Labrinth
28/05/2008 05:57:57 ‹Crimson Jester› got bored
28/05/2008 05:58:00 ‹Wyvern› Too violent for me, unnecessarily so.
28/05/2008 05:58:01 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› Not a Fan of Pan's I have to say
28/05/2008 05:58:05 ‹Zaister› Pygon: somehow it didn't really appeal to me but I've recently ordered on Blu-ray now
28/05/2008 05:58:12 ‹James Jacobs› So hopefully, The Hobbit movies will make Del Toro even MORE bankable and someone'll
throw him 100 million to make AtMoM after he kills off Smaug.
28/05/2008 05:58:13 * seekerofshadowlight quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:58:23 ‹Wyvern› You can kill the innocent kid, but you don't have to show me how you cave in his face with a
bottle.
28/05/2008 05:58:30 ‹Russ› I agree. PL = teh ick.
28/05/2008 05:58:33 ‹James Jacobs› I've pretyt much loved ALL of Del Toro's movies.
28/05/2008 05:58:34 * Pygon quit (timeout)
28/05/2008 05:58:46 ‹Russ› Torture pr0n is in, tho
28/05/2008 05:58:57 ‹James Jacobs› I disagree, Wyvern. That scene wasn't torture porn either.
28/05/2008 05:59:01 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› I'll take the second DnD movie over most anything by Del Toro
28/05/2008 05:59:09 ‹James Jacobs› It was important to the story to show how god-awful the guy was.
28/05/2008 05:59:18 ‹Russ› Remember when we could be scary without gore?
28/05/2008 05:59:18 ‹James Jacobs› More for me, then, Captramses!
28/05/2008 05:59:19 ‹Crimson Jester› WHat I am wondering about is if they are going to use the naritive framework from the
lost tales and the back of the Lord of the rings to fill in the gaps in the Hobbit
28/05/2008 05:59:38 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Hollywod still can! The remake of the Ring, for example.
28/05/2008 05:59:46 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Pan's Labyrnith wasn't a horror movie.
28/05/2008 05:59:52 ‹Absinth› Would be a logical step, CJ
28/05/2008 05:59:54 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› I disagree.....with that James. Hitchcock did it in Psycho without the
Violence
28/05/2008 05:59:58 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO also: Gore is fun!
28/05/2008 06:00:03 ‹Rathendar› dunno. maybe they'll just split it in half, and have smaug and the battle of 4 armies in the
2nd
28/05/2008 06:00:04 ‹Zaister› ugh
28/05/2008 06:00:18 ‹Crimson Jester› Maybe but then it would mean having all the actors from the first movies back
28/05/2008 06:00:21 ‹James Jacobs› Carpenter's original "Halloween" has no gore in it really either.
28/05/2008 06:00:24 ‹PeteA› my fear is the hobbit will be the "return of the jedi" - tie-in's and happy meal toys
28/05/2008 06:00:25 ‹Pygon› the movie was gruesome granted, but it didn't seem out of place for me
28/05/2008 06:00:30 ‹Zaister› rath: n the second movie is supposed to be an "sequel" t the Hobbit
28/05/2008 06:00:33 ‹Russ› Five armies.
28/05/2008 06:00:42 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› I think that if one wants true terror and suspense then Hitchcock is the
one
28/05/2008 06:00:46 * Russ doesn't need to see another remake. Ever.
28/05/2008 06:00:54 ‹Rathendar› my memory was fuzzy, apologies
28/05/2008 06:00:55 ‹James Jacobs› PeteA> I doubt that very much. If Jackson hasn't proven his ability to deliver on the
Tolkein by now... I don't know what will.
28/05/2008 06:00:59 ‹Russ› I think BG turning to suck has finished me on remade TV series, too
28/05/2008 06:01:08 ‹Lilith is AFK› Death Race 2000! :D
28/05/2008 06:01:11 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway!
28/05/2008 06:01:15 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Death Race 2000!
28/05/2008 06:01:17 ‹James Jacobs› Awesome.
28/05/2008 06:01:22 ‹Crimson Jester› some movies deserve to be remade....some shouldnt....the 80's tv shows made into movies
shouldnt be done
28/05/2008 06:01:28 ‹Absinth› But Hitchcock's dead and I'm glad that there are still movies like this coming out, if only
rarely.
28/05/2008 06:01:29 ‹Rathendar› elderly cripples, bonus points!
28/05/2008 06:01:32 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway. I'm gonna bail and get my gore on with Conan. Any last minute questions?
28/05/2008 06:01:33 ‹Zaister› true
28/05/2008 06:01:35 ‹Captramses--Partially Human!!› I agree...You know I heard there is a remke in the works
28/05/2008 06:01:35 ‹Pygon› I think of Death Race whenever I see that sign "Kill a worker - $1500!"
28/05/2008 06:01:39 ‹PeteA› Hitchliked to remake his own stuff, even.
28/05/2008 06:01:48 * Russ is amazed no one pounced on him for Galactica hate
28/05/2008 06:01:51 ‹Pygon› or soemthing like that...
28/05/2008 06:01:58 ‹Lilith is AFK› James Jacobs, you should post a review of AoC down in Off Topic. :)
28/05/2008 06:02:04 ‹Rathendar› give em hell in AoC james, Blood and Iron ;)
28/05/2008 06:02:08 ‹PeteA› The Man Who Knew Too Much - Ver1 or Ver2 - Discuss
28/05/2008 06:02:09 ‹Lilith is AFK› Russ, it has gotten sucky. :)
28/05/2008 06:02:11 ‹Zaister› AoC?
28/05/2008 06:02:19 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer Version 2 of that one, Pete.
28/05/2008 06:02:20 ‹Pygon› thanks James, get rest, see you next week.
28/05/2008 06:02:24 ‹Lilith is AFK› age of conan
28/05/2008 06:02:25 ‹Crimson Jester› Missed it Russ, but the show can be trying sometimes....then it makes up for it by
being the best thing on
28/05/2008 06:02:36 ‹James Jacobs› OK! Talk to ya all next time!
28/05/2008 06:02:38 ‹PeteA› Really? Peter Lorre was so great in the original.
28/05/2008 06:02:43 ‹Crimson Jester› Bye James
28/05/2008 06:02:44 ‹Russ› Best show on right now is probably Doctor Who or Torchwood
28/05/2008 06:02:46 ‹PeteA› Ah well.
28/05/2008 06:02:46 ‹Lilith is AFK› Night James! :glomp:
28/05/2008 06:02:49 ‹Wyvern› See ya James, and thanks for coming by.
28/05/2008 06:02:51 ‹PeteA› Night!
28/05/2008 06:02:54 ‹Russ› Which ain't saying that much :)
28/05/2008 06:02:55 ‹Lilith is AFK› Thank you James.
28/05/2008 06:02:56 ‹Zaister› bye James
28/05/2008 06:02:58 ‹Rathendar› nite james
28/05/2008 06:03:04 ‹Absinth› Yes, thanks for the answers! And please make sure the Guide To Varisia sees print! :)
28/05/2008 06:03:14 ‹Crimson Jester› I wont say no, cause the new Dr who rocks,,,,, but it is a close one
28/05/2008 06:03:27 ‹Mothman› Bye James
28/05/2008 06:03:39 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
19:58:14 * Nick Logue joins Main
03/06/2008 19:58:22 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› and what's that, Urza?
03/06/2008 19:58:26 ‹Nick Logue› WHAAASSSSSSUP!
03/06/2008 19:58:27 ‹Pygon› It's Nick! :ohnoes:
03/06/2008 19:58:32 ‹Nick Logue› IT BE ME!!!
03/06/2008 19:58:32 ‹cappadocius› yoda8myhead, awwww. Okay.
03/06/2008 19:58:38 ‹yoda8myhead› wheee!
03/06/2008 19:58:39 ‹Nick Logue› How's everybody doing tonight?
03/06/2008 19:58:39 ‹UrzaHTMLing› frames
03/06/2008 19:58:40 ‹Pygon› Greetings!
03/06/2008 19:58:45 ‹Hill Giant› Lock up your women and children!
03/06/2008 19:58:46 * Justin Sluder hands Nick Logue :beer:
03/06/2008 19:58:53 ‹cappadocius› Nick! I have Dajobas!
03/06/2008 19:58:55 ‹Nick Logue› Thanks Justin!
03/06/2008 19:58:55 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› shouldn't use frames anyway ;)
03/06/2008 19:58:57 ‹UrzaHTMLing› hi Nick
03/06/2008 19:58:58 ‹yoda8myhead› I already did Burnt Offerings, but I lost them. It shouldn't take too long to redo them
03/06/2008 19:59:02 * Nick Logue drinks up!
03/06/2008 19:59:02 ‹Justin Sluder› anytime
03/06/2008 19:59:06 ‹yoda8myhead› hello Mr. Logue
03/06/2008 19:59:06 ‹Nick Logue› Is it Tuesday?
03/06/2008 19:59:13 ‹Nick Logue› It is right?
03/06/2008 19:59:13 ‹yoda8myhead› 'tis
03/06/2008 19:59:14 ‹Pygon› It is.
03/06/2008 19:59:17 ‹Justin Sluder› I think so
03/06/2008 19:59:18 ‹cappadocius› I also have a player trying to get me to let him play a Lizardman cultist of Dajobas!
03/06/2008 19:59:18 ‹Nick Logue› This is Pathfinder Chat?
03/06/2008 19:59:20 ‹Nick Logue› Kick ass!
03/06/2008 19:59:23 ‹UrzaHTMLing› bah, why shouldn't I use frames?
03/06/2008 19:59:24 ‹Nick Logue› I'm not totally losing my mine~!
03/06/2008 19:59:26 ‹yoda8myhead› not quite yet
03/06/2008 19:59:26 ‹Nick Logue› MIND!
03/06/2008 19:59:30 ‹yoda8myhead› 30 more seconds
03/06/2008 19:59:31 ‹Nick Logue› Sweet!
03/06/2008 19:59:33 ‹cappadocius› This *is* Pathfinder Chat.
03/06/2008 19:59:35 ‹Nick Logue› F%~~!
03/06/2008 19:59:45 ‹Nick Logue› My mind is going in 15 seconds.
03/06/2008 19:59:54 ‹cappadocius› Shouldn't Nick Logue have a Golem?
03/06/2008 20:00:00 ‹Nick Logue› ME WANT GOLEM!
03/06/2008 20:00:02 ‹Pygon› true that
03/06/2008 20:00:04 ‹David› is it taking your body too?
03/06/2008 20:00:05 * yoda8myhead is impressed that his statement of how many seconds left (and Nick's) were both exactly correct
03/06/2008 20:00:14 ‹Hill Giant› ChibiGolem?
03/06/2008 20:00:24 ‹Nick Logue› Naw, my body belongs to my harem of ravening half-orc love slaves.
03/06/2008 20:00:29 ‹yoda8myhead› and GO!
03/06/2008 20:00:32 * Daigle wanders in.
03/06/2008 20:00:37 ‹clight101 working› lol
03/06/2008 20:00:41 ‹yoda8myhead› hey Daigle
03/06/2008 20:00:47 ‹Nick Logue› dlavoinjkfkbhirojvlnablfsdi
03/06/2008 20:00:48 ‹Daigle› What's shakin' folks!?
03/06/2008 20:00:49 * Pete joins Main
03/06/2008 20:00:50 * Nick Logue lost his mind
03/06/2008 20:00:51 * Justin Sluder wonders which half is orc
03/06/2008 20:00:52 ‹David› ha
03/06/2008 20:00:55 ‹Daigle› yoda!
03/06/2008 20:00:57 ‹clight101 working› Whats up Nick
03/06/2008 20:01:01 ‹Nick Logue› Hi Pete!!
03/06/2008 20:01:01 ‹David› hi Daigle
03/06/2008 20:01:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy Pete
03/06/2008 20:01:03 ‹Nick Logue› Hey Chris!
03/06/2008 20:01:04 ‹cappadocius› I'm trying to figure out how to get a Chibi Otyugh by my name!
03/06/2008 20:01:17 ‹Nick Logue› Good to see everyone!!!
03/06/2008 20:01:24 ‹cappadocius› hi Dr. Nick!
03/06/2008 20:01:24 ‹yoda8myhead› there's a nasty rumor that you're a Canadian hairdresser, Daigle
03/06/2008 20:01:26 ‹clight101 working› Done packing for the left coast yet
03/06/2008 20:01:27 ‹Nick Logue› I can't stay long, I have a TON of work to do tonight.
03/06/2008 20:01:29 ‹Pete› Hey Nick! Hey Daigle!
03/06/2008 20:01:32 ‹Daigle› What's up nick!
03/06/2008 20:01:34 ‹cappadocius› Dr. Nick, what's your next Pathfinder project?
03/06/2008 20:01:38 ‹David› might be easier to get a werecabbage..
03/06/2008 20:01:39 ‹Nick Logue› HOWDY DAIGS!
03/06/2008 20:01:44 ‹Daigle› yoda...yeah I told people "No" earlier.
03/06/2008 20:01:47 ‹cappadocius› No! Chibi Otyugh!
03/06/2008 20:01:52 ‹yoda8myhead› how often will we get more PFS previews, Nick?
03/06/2008 20:01:53 ‹Nick Logue› I'm writing a Pathfinder Scenario for Pathfinder Soceity
03/06/2008 20:01:55 ‹clight101 working› hey daigle, what's happening
03/06/2008 20:02:02 ‹Nick Logue› PFS Previews for the win!
03/06/2008 20:02:05 ‹David› werecabbage!
03/06/2008 20:02:05 ‹cappadocius› A Season 0 scenario?
03/06/2008 20:02:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy there clight101!
03/06/2008 20:02:08 ‹Nick Logue› They'll be coming hot and heavy now.
03/06/2008 20:02:13 * GM Lilith is AFC changes his/her nickname to GM Lilith
03/06/2008 20:02:15 ‹yoda8myhead› good
03/06/2008 20:02:15 ‹Nick Logue› Yep, a Season 0 scenario.
03/06/2008 20:02:20 ‹cappadocius› Which one?
03/06/2008 20:02:21 ‹Daigle› Lilz!
03/06/2008 20:02:23 * GM Lilith runs over and glomps Nick Logue before he can get away.
03/06/2008 20:02:26 ‹yoda8myhead› I lost the list of who wrote what though, when the wiki crashed
03/06/2008 20:02:27 * James Jacobs joins Main
03/06/2008 20:02:29 ‹Pete› So do you have to cut back on the grisly parts?
03/06/2008 20:02:31 ‹GM Lilith› Noooooooooooooooo! You can't go Nick! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:02:34 ‹yoda8myhead› wanna re-divulge that again?
03/06/2008 20:02:35 ‹GM Lilith› JAMES! :squee: :swoon:
03/06/2008 20:02:36 ‹Nick Logue› It's called the Mwangi Exibit.
03/06/2008 20:02:37 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
03/06/2008 20:02:37 ‹Mothman› Hey James, Hey Nick
03/06/2008 20:02:39 ‹Nick Logue› JAMES!!!
03/06/2008 20:02:39 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy!
03/06/2008 20:02:40 ‹Pygon› Welcome James
03/06/2008 20:02:46 ‹cappadocius› Hello Mr. Jacobs!
03/06/2008 20:02:47 ‹Nick Logue› JAAAAAAAAAMES JACOBSSSS!
03/06/2008 20:02:47 * Justin Sluder hands James a :beer:
03/06/2008 20:02:50 ‹James Jacobs› Wow! Textured Chat Window!
03/06/2008 20:02:52 ‹clight101 working› So when is the PFS players guide gonna be done or is it already and I'm behind?
03/06/2008 20:02:52 ‹Nick Logue› JOY JOY JOY JOY JOY!
03/06/2008 20:02:52 ‹David› hi James!
03/06/2008 20:02:53 ‹yoda8myhead› really? what a great name
03/06/2008 20:02:54 ‹cappadocius› I hope you enjoyed the Pterosaur article!
03/06/2008 20:02:54 ‹James Jacobs› Pretty!
03/06/2008 20:02:56 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› yah, I noticed the wiki bit the dust the other day... did you lose all the data, yoda?
03/06/2008 20:02:58 ‹James Jacobs› Tis Nicky!
03/06/2008 20:02:58 ‹yoda8myhead› James, that's special for you
03/06/2008 20:02:59 ‹Pete› Hey JJ
03/06/2008 20:03:05 ‹cappadocius› Ooo! Ooo!
03/06/2008 20:03:11 ‹Nick Logue› Hi James! I love you!!!
03/06/2008 20:03:16 ‹yoda8myhead› Marc, no we lost two weeks of edits, and all user data
03/06/2008 20:03:22 ‹Pete› TMI
03/06/2008 20:03:24 ‹yoda8myhead› but we restored *most* of it
03/06/2008 20:03:24 ‹Nick Logue› You and Chris Noth are my two big man crushes!!!
03/06/2008 20:03:25 ‹cappadocius› Dr. Nick, if I wanted to play an Deep Earth ecoterrorist Druid Pathfinder, what faction should I be in?
03/06/2008 20:03:30 ‹clight101 working› JJ, the man the myth the legend has arrived
03/06/2008 20:03:41 ‹Nick Logue› Hmmmm...Andoran wouldn't be a bad choice actually.
03/06/2008 20:03:49 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> I did! It was cool! it's actually pretty funny... whenever a new dinosaur-type article shows up anywhere on the internets, I get all sorts of heads up from folk across the world, it seems, eager to let me know of the development. I am pleased with this situation.
03/06/2008 20:03:54 * clight101 working changes his/her nickname to clight101
03/06/2008 20:03:55 ‹cappadocius› You're just saying that because it's the one already leaked!
03/06/2008 20:04:00 ‹Mothman› You'll need to have a small head though
03/06/2008 20:04:07 * UrzaHTMLing changes his/her nickname to Urza
03/06/2008 20:04:14 ‹James Jacobs› Yay! Man Crush!
03/06/2008 20:04:17 ‹Nick Logue› HAHAHAHAAH! It's true!
03/06/2008 20:04:23 ‹Daigle› Awww. How sweet!
03/06/2008 20:04:27 ‹Nick Logue› Chris Noth sized Man Crush!
03/06/2008 20:04:36 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, then I hope you bookmarked Tet Zoo, because Darren Naish is a dinosaur-news tellin' Machine!
03/06/2008 20:04:38 ‹clight101› That's bBIG
03/06/2008 20:05:02 ‹Mothman› it is Big
03/06/2008 20:05:03 ‹David› .
03/06/2008 20:05:07 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick, did you see Sex and the City?
03/06/2008 20:05:13 ‹Nick Logue› Not yet!!!
03/06/2008 20:05:16 ‹Mothman› so...
03/06/2008 20:05:16 ‹Nick Logue› So want to!
03/06/2008 20:05:19 ‹yoda8myhead› some Chris Noth action there
03/06/2008 20:05:27 ‹Nick Logue› I love Chris Noth!
03/06/2008 20:05:28 ‹cappadocius› Is Mr. Big really big?
03/06/2008 20:05:33 ‹yoda8myhead› but a bad bad movie on all other counts
03/06/2008 20:05:35 ‹Nick Logue› I'd go gay for Noth! He's so dreamy.
03/06/2008 20:05:38 * Charles Evans joins Main
03/06/2008 20:05:45 ‹Pete› Wasn't he in law and order?
03/06/2008 20:05:50 ‹Nick Logue› OH NOES! I don't want to hear that yoda. Indie already let me down.
03/06/2008 20:05:51 ‹yoda8myhead› I bet he'd go gay for you too, Nick
03/06/2008 20:05:56 ‹Nick Logue› I can't be let down by Carrie toO!
03/06/2008 20:05:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles
03/06/2008 20:05:59 ‹Nick Logue› Not in the same week!
03/06/2008 20:06:03 * Justin Sluder hands Charles Evan one of his :cthulhu: he missed last time he left
03/06/2008 20:06:03 ‹yoda8myhead› I haven't seen that one yet
03/06/2008 20:06:06 ‹clight101› I think I'd only go gay for Ed Norton
03/06/2008 20:06:08 ‹Hill Giant› I enjoyed Indie
03/06/2008 20:06:09 ‹Nick Logue› Thanks Yoda!
03/06/2008 20:06:14 * Charles Evans :chainsaw::glomp:s Nick Logue....
03/06/2008 20:06:17 ‹Hill Giant› Indy?
03/06/2008 20:06:18 ‹paul› clive owen for me
03/06/2008 20:06:20 ‹paul› sorry nick
03/06/2008 20:06:22 ‹yoda8myhead› I stopped watching SatC after season 3 or so when it became the same old thing over and over again, so I might be biased against it
03/06/2008 20:06:23 ‹Nick Logue› I did not enjoy Indie...it made me sad...
03/06/2008 20:06:26 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening everyone.
03/06/2008 20:06:31 ‹Nick Logue› Clive Owen = EWWWWWWW!
03/06/2008 20:06:38 ‹Pygon› hi Charles
03/06/2008 20:06:44 ‹Nick Logue› Though he's pretty awesome in Inside Man!
03/06/2008 20:06:49 ‹James Jacobs› Nick just broke Clive's heart. Again.
03/06/2008 20:06:50 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue! The pettites will overthrow you:!:
03/06/2008 20:07:03 ‹Charles Evans› Thank-you Justin.
03/06/2008 20:07:03 ‹Pygon› James - any sign yet of PF10 in the stock room?
03/06/2008 20:07:11 ‹Nick Logue› NO Charles! NOOOO!
03/06/2008 20:07:13 * Charles Evans nods to Pygon.
03/06/2008 20:07:24 ‹Nick Logue› I always break poor Clive's heart.
03/06/2008 20:07:54 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: I have yet to see you organise a counter-thread or lead your followers in an invasion of the thread... :)
03/06/2008 20:08:03 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I hear through the grapevine (AKA: Jeff Alvarez) that PF 10 will be hitting the warehouse next week.
03/06/2008 20:08:16 ‹Justin Sluder› spiffy
03/06/2008 20:08:18 * psymin joins Main
03/06/2008 20:08:20 ‹Pygon› excellent, thanks
03/06/2008 20:08:23 ‹David› aw so close and yet so far...
03/06/2008 20:08:23 ‹James Jacobs› And then, PF 11 will probably be hitting the warehouse pretty quickly on PF 10's heals.
03/06/2008 20:08:24 ‹Nick Logue› Damn it...I'm out of the loop Charles!!!
03/06/2008 20:08:28 ‹Daigle› Howdy psymin
03/06/2008 20:08:47 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya psymin
03/06/2008 20:08:52 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Have you forced Bulmahn to make the bard's inspire courage ability an extraordinary effect yet, thus immune to all sorts of dispels & antimagics?
03/06/2008 20:09:02 ‹Mothman› http://paizo.com/paizo/message...olution
03/06/2008 20:09:03 ‹psymin› Evenin Daigle, Justin, Nick, Pygon, James, Charles .. and JD
03/06/2008 20:09:10 * Watcher joins Main
03/06/2008 20:09:10 ‹Pygon› hi psymin
03/06/2008 20:09:12 ‹Pete› Nick: So are you officially a left coaster?
03/06/2008 20:09:20 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Wathcer
03/06/2008 20:09:26 ‹Charles Evans› Nick: What Mothman just posted.... :D
03/06/2008 20:09:29 ‹Daigle› What's up Watcher?
03/06/2008 20:09:35 * GM Lilith runs over and hugs James & Nick inappropriately! :thug: :glomp: :swoon:
03/06/2008 20:09:38 ‹Watcher› Howdy
03/06/2008 20:09:44 * yoda8myhead thinks the board is scrolling too quickly to keep up
03/06/2008 20:09:47 ‹GM Lilith› Watcher! :squee::glomp:
03/06/2008 20:09:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: But given the real world exmaples you could cite of miltary bands, you could force him to make it (Ex.)!
03/06/2008 20:09:59 ‹Watcher› Nuthin' much, very tired tonight.. haven't been in a while, thought I would hear the lastest PF dirt
03/06/2008 20:10:01 ‹Mothman› Ha! I love inappropriate touching
03/06/2008 20:10:07 * Charles Evans waves to Watcher...
03/06/2008 20:10:07 ‹Mothman› um, i mean hugging....
03/06/2008 20:10:16 ‹Daigle› And you didn't even come in disguise!
03/06/2008 20:10:24 * Watcher waves
03/06/2008 20:10:30 ‹Mothman› hey Watcher
03/06/2008 20:10:30 ‹Watcher› lol I forgot!
03/06/2008 20:10:31 ‹James Jacobs› You could... but I'm not sure military bands should be capable of doing the things bard performances do. ANYway... they're supernatural, so they can't be dispelled anyway.
03/06/2008 20:10:38 ‹Mothman› James: what are you working on this week?
03/06/2008 20:10:39 * Charles Evans :cthulhu::glomp:s Lilith.
03/06/2008 20:10:40 ‹James Jacobs› And antimagic's rare enough that it's probably not that big a deal.
03/06/2008 20:10:54 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > Why would I want to guy the Gazetter when the Campaign setting comes out in august? Is there different info in the gazetter or is it just those with the gazetter get a preview of the hardcover?
03/06/2008 20:10:55 ‹cappadocius› But my whole character concept is based on Antimagic Shell!
03/06/2008 20:11:09 * BM joins Main
03/06/2008 20:11:15 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You also have the stories of regimental pipers on the D Day beaches during WWII in the real world.
03/06/2008 20:11:29 * Russ joins Main
20:11:51 ‹Justin Sluder› clight, you should buy them both if only to support Paizo. They work hard for the awesome we receive.
03/06/2008 20:11:57 ‹Blazej› If the Paizo forum wasn't going to accept a post due to a character limit would it give me an error message?
03/06/2008 20:12:01 ‹Nick Logue› I am still East Coast...and damn that thread! DAMN IT!
03/06/2008 20:12:01 ‹Charles Evans› cappadocius: a spiked chain fighting avariel? :D
03/06/2008 20:12:01 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> This week? Workinng on Pathfinder 12, Pathfinder 13, Second Darkness Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Hardcover Campaign Setting, Pathfinder RPG Beta, Curse of the Crimson Throne Map Folio, and wrangling modules if I get a chance.
03/06/2008 20:12:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy BM and Russ
03/06/2008 20:12:14 ‹GM Lilith› Blazej, no, it would just get cut off.
03/06/2008 20:12:23 ‹Blazej› Ah.
03/06/2008 20:12:25 ‹Blazej› Hmm.
03/06/2008 20:12:28 ‹Hill Giant› Charles Evans: armies have chaplains, too. Fortunately, the Nazi's didn't have anti-magic shell
03/06/2008 20:12:33 ‹Blazej› Darn.
03/06/2008 20:12:41 ‹Mothman› clight: I got the gazetter last week, it looks pretty cool - one reason to get it, is that you get information earlier than if you waitt for the CS
03/06/2008 20:12:49 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> You'd want the Gazetteer if you want a less intensive introduction to the world, or if you can't afford the hardcover, or if you can't wait for the hardcover to come out.
03/06/2008 20:12:58 ‹Mothman› James: busy week...
03/06/2008 20:13:03 ‹Blazej› GM Lilith, Thanks.
03/06/2008 20:13:06 ‹Charles Evans› Nick ogue: :D You really should keep an eye on the boards; my fellow UK citizen, Mr. Pett, has stolen a march upon you, and is guillotining your loyal henchmen.... :)
03/06/2008 20:13:10 ‹David› or its in your subs :)
03/06/2008 20:13:12 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› Pathfinder Companion: Are there going to be items related to previous APs, or will it only directly address Second Darkness and forward?
03/06/2008 20:13:13 ‹Pygon› so if we buy the hardcover, we don't need the Gazetteer?
03/06/2008 20:13:25 ‹Charles Evans› Hillgiant: True, on the Chaplain front.
03/06/2008 20:13:30 ‹Mothman› James: does your job these days consist maily of editing, writing, designing ...or a bit of it all?
03/06/2008 20:13:36 ‹cappadocius› "If we bought the Gazetteer, do we get a discount on the Hardcover?
03/06/2008 20:13:40 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > Ok, thanks. I didn't want to buy athe same thing twice when I could spend that money on something else like Fallin the Goblin edition which looks just awesome
03/06/2008 20:13:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Normal week, actually, lately.
03/06/2008 20:13:44 ‹Nick Logue› Grrrrrr! Pett spends all his time attacking me, while I spend my time trying to create goodness for you all to enjoy. Damn that armchair game designer damn him!
03/06/2008 20:13:50 ‹Nick Logue› :twisted:
03/06/2008 20:13:59 ‹Nick Logue› :twisted:
03/06/2008 20:14:28 ‹Blazej› NO! My post was cut off right before the last chunk!
03/06/2008 20:14:35 ‹James Jacobs› Marc> 2 Pathfinder Companions a year will be player's guides to the adventure paths. The other 4 companions will be about various other topics. The first 2 after Second Darkness are Elves and Osirion, for example.
03/06/2008 20:14:45 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: You could pay Pett to write dozens more adventures for you, using up his free time.... :)
03/06/2008 20:14:47 ‹David› quik Blazej a new post!
03/06/2008 20:15:13 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> The hardcover will have most of the info that the Gazetter has, yes. There might be a FEW things in the Gaz that don't get repeated in the hardcover though.
03/06/2008 20:15:22 ‹cappadocius› Will the Elf companion talk about the mysterious Elf Planet?
03/06/2008 20:15:35 ‹clight101› That's cool. I didn't realize the companions were 6 times a year. I'll probably get a subscription to those too
03/06/2008 20:15:39 ‹Blazej› David, Bah. Can only see it in Firefox and am only signed in with IE.
03/06/2008 20:15:40 ‹Pygon› well, gotta get the Gaz then... :)
03/06/2008 20:15:42 ‹Blazej› Going now..
03/06/2008 20:15:46 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› James> Which AP will the second Companion player guide be about?
03/06/2008 20:15:58 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I've been out of the loop here for several weeks; can you confirm that Elaine Cnningham is to write fiction for Pathfinder (the journals) and for which Adventure Path?
03/06/2008 20:15:59 ‹psymin› Any thoughts about allowing 3rd parties to write modules for PRPG using Pathfinder dieties and geography?
03/06/2008 20:16:01 ‹Nick Logue› Charles: HA! It's true, and I am!
03/06/2008 20:16:01 * Absinth joins Main
03/06/2008 20:16:02 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> My job these days consists mostly of developing (aka editing and re-writing adventures), managerial stuff, editing, and making sure that various projects have all the parts they need to achieve LIFE.
03/06/2008 20:16:17 * yoda8myhead thinks Marc is clever
03/06/2008 20:16:28 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth!
03/06/2008 20:16:31 ‹Nick Logue› Did you like Still Waters, Charles?
03/06/2008 20:16:40 ‹Nick Logue› And...HI ABSINTH!!!
03/06/2008 20:16:41 ‹Absinth› Good Morning!
03/06/2008 20:16:44 ‹GM Lilith› clight101, they switched it so the Pathfinder Companion sub is 6/yr, and the Pathfinder Modules are 6/yr.
03/06/2008 20:16:48 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› James> I ask because we're about half way through RotRL now... and will be starting another AP in about 3 or 4 months... if addon items are going to skip over CotCT (though I quite enjoy the guide to Korvosa), then we might just wait for SD
03/06/2008 20:16:51 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> The elf companion won't talk much about the "mysterious elf planet" I don't suspect. These are player-friendly books. They're not the place to reveal secrets.
03/06/2008 20:17:24 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: I do not buy downloads over the internet... I wait for hardcovers/softcovers to arrive in my LGS.
03/06/2008 20:17:24 ‹James Jacobs› marc> I'm not sure I understand what you're asking...
03/06/2008 20:17:32 ‹Mothman› James: when are we likely to hear more about Elfworld?
03/06/2008 20:17:32 ‹yoda8myhead› James, we will get secrets though, right?
03/06/2008 20:17:40 ‹Nick Logue› Ha!
03/06/2008 20:17:41 ‹cappadocius› But what if I want my Elf PC to be from Sovyrian?
03/06/2008 20:17:46 ‹Nick Logue› I see Charles...I see!
03/06/2008 20:17:48 ‹Nick Logue› Well played.
03/06/2008 20:18:01 ‹Absinth› There's an elf planet?!
03/06/2008 20:18:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Marc, the first edition of PF Companion will be for SD, the third book is Elves of Golarion, the third will be something else and the 4t hwill be on whatever AP4 is
03/06/2008 20:18:12 ‹cappadocius› Sovyrian!
03/06/2008 20:18:12 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Elaine is indeed going to write the Pathfinder's Journal for us, starting in Pathfinder #19.
03/06/2008 20:18:19 ‹clight101› So were only getting six adventures a year now or one AP?
03/06/2008 20:18:22 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› James> well, is there going to be any Pathfinder Companion support directly for CotCT (like, as you noted, a player's guide similar to the one for Second Darkness)?
03/06/2008 20:18:28 ‹Nick Logue› Tell your local game store to contact me then...otherwise...no Sinister goodness for you! :D
03/06/2008 20:18:30 ‹Urza› cappadocius, how would someone want to have an elf from Sovyrian if they don't know what an elf from Sovyrian would be like?
03/06/2008 20:18:33 ‹clight101› Which I'm ok with since I can't run them as fast as I get them
03/06/2008 20:18:41 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› yoda> Thanks. :)
03/06/2008 20:18:44 ‹GM Lilith› clight101, there is the Pathfinder Modules (which replaced GameMastery Modules), in addition to the APs.
03/06/2008 20:18:45 ‹cappadocius› That's why we need that info in the Companion, Urza!
03/06/2008 20:18:46 * David quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 20:18:51 ‹yoda8myhead› Marc, there's already a Player's Guide for CotCT
03/06/2008 20:18:57 ‹Blazej› Ok, my post is done. I think I'm going to rest now...
03/06/2008 20:18:58 ‹James Jacobs› psymin> We currently are not planning to allow 3rd parties to write modules set in Golarion. That's for us.
03/06/2008 20:19:00 ‹clight101› ah
03/06/2008 20:19:09 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: Do you have an addres/contact information my Local Games Store (here in the UK) can contact you at then, on your site?
03/06/2008 20:19:13 * psymin nods.
03/06/2008 20:19:18 ‹Urza› for all you know native elves from Sovryian have floppy bunny ears, orange skin, and three eyes :)
03/06/2008 20:19:21 ‹clight101› I definently have to get that subscription them
03/06/2008 20:19:30 * JasonBulmahn joins Main
03/06/2008 20:19:37 ‹Nick Logue› JASON!
03/06/2008 20:19:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hi there everybody
03/06/2008 20:19:42 ‹Urza› so maybe you wouldn't want to play an elve from Sovryian anymore after finding out what they're like :)
03/06/2008 20:19:43 ‹Absinth› Hey Jason!
03/06/2008 20:19:43 ‹Nick Logue› YESSSSSSSSSS! JASON!
03/06/2008 20:19:44 ‹Blazej› Hello Bulmahn...
03/06/2008 20:19:46 ‹Pygon› Mr. Bulmahn!
03/06/2008 20:19:46 ‹Watcher› Hi Jason
03/06/2008 20:19:46 ‹Nick Logue› HAPPINESS!
03/06/2008 20:19:48 ‹yoda8myhead› Urza, their Lamashtu elves!
03/06/2008 20:19:48 ‹JasonBulmahn› LOGUE!
03/06/2008 20:19:51 * psymin waves to JasonBulmahn.
03/06/2008 20:19:52 ‹yoda8myhead› hi Jason
03/06/2008 20:19:53 ‹Daigle› Howdy JasonBulmahn
03/06/2008 20:19:55 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› yoda> I don't mean the little 16 pager, or whatever - I meant an equivalent treatment like Pathfinder Companion will provide for Second Darkness.... or is that what it will be for SD as well? Just the little one that we've seen for the first two APs?
03/06/2008 20:19:56 ‹GM Lilith› Bull-man!
03/06/2008 20:19:58 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> You'll hear more about "Elfworld" now and then during Second Darkness and a bit in the Hardcover.
03/06/2008 20:20:00 ‹Absinth› Jason, how're you?
03/06/2008 20:20:02 ‹Wyvern› Whoa! Tons of peoples.
03/06/2008 20:20:04 ‹GM Lilith› More inappropriate hugging for you! :D
03/06/2008 20:20:06 ‹Nick Logue› Charles: sinister@sinisteradventures.com
03/06/2008 20:20:09 ‹Pete› Jason! Aren't you supposed to be sleeping or editing?
03/06/2008 20:20:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern!
03/06/2008 20:20:13 ‹cappadocius› Urza, well, maybe if they'd give rules for playing a Chibi Otyugh, or a Mr. Shouty-Man, I wouldn't have to demand details on the Mysterious Elf Planet!
03/06/2008 20:20:20 ‹Nick Logue› LOGUE LOVES JASON!
03/06/2008 20:20:24 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hi there everybody...
03/06/2008 20:20:27 * GM Lilith runs over and glomps the Bull-man! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:20:31 ‹Nick Logue› Chris Noth Sized Man Crush Ensues!!!
03/06/2008 20:20:32 ‹cappadocius› Hi Mr. Buhlman!
03/06/2008 20:20:34 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hows everybody doin tonight
03/06/2008 20:20:41 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: will we see a Pathfinder delegation in the UK over the summer? The director of Marketing has been dropping teasing/taunting hints, as is his wont.
03/06/2008 20:20:41 ‹cappadocius› Sad, Mr. Buhlman.
03/06/2008 20:20:43 * Daigle is rockin'
03/06/2008 20:20:45 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> We currently do not support elf PCs from Sovyrian.
03/06/2008 20:20:47 ‹psymin› Not too shabby
03/06/2008 20:20:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Logue.. you are scaring me... :-)
03/06/2008 20:20:54 ‹Urza› true.. but you asked a hypothetical and i felt it was my need to defuse such a hypothetical :)
03/06/2008 20:20:54 * GM Lilith rocks. :headbang:
03/06/2008 20:20:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› Why sad Cap?
03/06/2008 20:21:03 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, is that because of their high LA?
03/06/2008 20:21:12 ‹Urza› James.. that was SUCH a WOTC answer :)
03/06/2008 20:21:42 ‹cappadocius› Because I can't play an elf from Sovyrian, Mr. Buhlman.
03/06/2008 20:21:42 ‹JasonBulmahn› I am doin ok.. still a bit under the weather.. but the skies seem to be clearing...
03/06/2008 20:21:43 ‹David› Nick Logue, i just bought wave two!
03/06/2008 20:21:47 ‹James Jacobs› When we DO something with Sovyrien, we want it to be a surprise and new to everyone. So for now, the assumption is that few of Golarion's elves were born there. In fact... Sovyrian might not even be the "elf home world." It might just be the place they fled to during the Age of Darkness.
03/06/2008 20:22:01 ‹psymin› Hope you get well Jason :)
03/06/2008 20:22:04 ‹cappadocius› That's what I assumed.
03/06/2008 20:22:08 ‹Pete› Will the Pini's do the artwork for Elfworld?
03/06/2008 20:22:11 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> We'll be doing two six-part Adventure paths a year and six modules a year.
03/06/2008 20:22:30 ‹JasonBulmahn› Thanks psymin
03/06/2008 20:23:03 ‹James Jacobs› Marc> Ah. No; no direct Companion support for Curse of the Crimson Throne. Although we DID do a Curse of the Crimson Throne Player's guide and the Guide to Korvosa.
03/06/2008 20:23:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason, I heard your AnimalBall podcast. Nice interview
03/06/2008 20:23:08 ‹Pygon› ah, so the Companion thingies will be in addition?
03/06/2008 20:23:13 * Andrew joins Main
03/06/2008 20:23:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› Thanks Yoda.. it was fun
03/06/2008 20:23:16 ‹clight101› James Jacobs> From what I gather from what lilith said the modules and the companions will be every other month?
03/06/2008 20:23:16 * Sir Wulf joins Main
03/06/2008 20:23:18 ‹psymin› Yeah, the interview was entertaining
03/06/2008 20:23:27 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› James> Great, thanks. I quite like the guide to Korvosa. :)
03/06/2008 20:23:36 ‹Daigle› Howdy Andrew and Wulf
03/06/2008 20:23:50 ‹Sir Wulf› Howdy!
03/06/2008 20:23:53 ‹GM Lilith› Sir Wulf! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:23:52 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
03/06/2008 20:23:55 * Charles Evans waves to Sir Wulf....
03/06/2008 20:24:06 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, on the topic of elves, one of my PCs wants to play an elf who has been locked away from time for hundreds or thousands of years and asked for help on a backstory. Any advice?
03/06/2008 20:24:06 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's not my role to say if we'll be at UK.
03/06/2008 20:24:07 ‹David› hi peoples!
03/06/2008 20:24:07 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I'm still interested in the First World, and these references to Gates to that fabulous(?) locale. Anything on that on the horizon, or is that a long term secret to be revealed?
03/06/2008 20:24:15 ‹Sir Wulf› Sir WUlf waves back, then resumes typing...
03/06/2008 20:24:20 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› Jason: Awesome job on the alpha. My group is pretty much entirely shifted over now. No question, just that comment. :)
03/06/2008 20:24:37 ‹psymin› Jason> Pygon (I think) tells me that he asked you about reversing a grapple. Is that an existing mechanic or is it not possible?
03/06/2008 20:24:43 ‹Andrew› Hi
03/06/2008 20:24:44 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> We don't support Sovyrian elves because we don't know what Sovyrian is like. We're focusing on Golarion for the first few years at least.
03/06/2008 20:24:47 ‹cappadocius› Yes, what year can we hope to see a Companion on the First World?
03/06/2008 20:24:47 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: Are you looking forward (as a designer) to being able to look at 4E rules this weekend and see what your friends over at WotC have been upto?
03/06/2008 20:24:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Glad to hear it Marc....
03/06/2008 20:24:58 ‹Nick Logue› David = WIN! Hope you enjoy your Indulgences my man!
03/06/2008 20:25:12 ‹JasonBulmahn› Psymin> I am still looking into that
03/06/2008 20:25:12 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I'm just being difficult. I'm sorry.
03/06/2008 20:25:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› charles> Yes I am
03/06/2008 20:25:22 ‹yoda8myhead› So Nick Logue, how many scenarios can we hope for a month after the initial rollout at GenCon?
03/06/2008 20:25:32 ‹clight101› two I thought
03/06/2008 20:25:38 ‹Nick Logue› 2 a month, but Gencon and Origins months will have 4 each.
03/06/2008 20:25:43 ‹Urza› my bet is they're have to switch to 5th edition by the time Sovyrian comes around.. so there won't be time for Sovyrian.. it'll be time to update Golarion for 5e!
03/06/2008 20:25:46 ‹cappadocius› In all seriousness, I'd love to see something on new/weird Mesozoic critters and on the First World.
03/06/2008 20:25:48 ‹David› ill enjoy reading them its just slipping em in that might be hard (due to group)
03/06/2008 20:25:51 ‹Charles Evans› .
03/06/2008 20:25:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> Its been tough these past few months.. each of us working on different systems, and not being able to talk shop
03/06/2008 20:26:03 ‹Russ› And when do you start recruiting more writers for the PFS mods? (hint, hint)
03/06/2008 20:26:09 ‹Pete› Nick: Will the PS scenarios have PreGen's available and if so will they be the iconics?
03/06/2008 20:26:13 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> My advice for letting a player play an elf who's been locked away? Either say no, you can't; or make up a bunch of stuff and accept the fact that one, 4, 9, or 33 years from now we may reveal something that contridicts what you've got going on in Golarion 20,000 years ago.
03/06/2008 20:26:24 ‹Nick Logue› Ha! We are going to have some Open Calls soon...keep your eyes peeled!
03/06/2008 20:26:31 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Will you do a review of 4E at any time, or would that be too cheeky of you?
03/06/2008 20:26:49 ‹Nick Logue› Naw, ye shall make your own character!!! We'll even help you if you want!!!
03/06/2008 20:26:52 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> We'll have a bit more info about the First World in the Hardcover, I suspect. Not much, though, for the rest of the year overall...
03/06/2008 20:26:55 ‹cappadocius› Dr. Nick! When is there going to be an indulgence about the Kraken?
03/06/2008 20:27:01 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› heh, that would be cruel to ask Jason to review 4e.
03/06/2008 20:27:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> I am not sure that I could do a review of 4E without coming off as biased... there is just no way around that... I think.
03/06/2008 20:27:05 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 20:27:05 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 20:27:06 ‹Charles Evans› Nick Logue: Open calls for what?
03/06/2008 20:27:22 ‹Nick Logue› I just commissoned the awesomest illo ever of the kraken cappa!
03/06/2008 20:27:25 ‹David› modules
03/06/2008 20:27:32 ‹Russ› Everyone's biased.
03/06/2008 20:27:33 ‹cappadocius› Sweet!
03/06/2008 20:27:38 ‹Nick Logue› For Pathfinder Society Scenarios!
03/06/2008 20:27:40 ‹cappadocius› Does he have a little crown?
03/06/2008 20:27:43 ‹Urza› in other words, Jason is saying 3P is better then 4E :)
03/06/2008 20:27:45 ‹yoda8myhead› James, I might say he's a Varisian who was locked away for 100 years or so and thus the new developments since Aroden's death are all new to him
03/06/2008 20:27:45 ‹Nick Logue› Nope!
03/06/2008 20:27:48 ‹GM Lilith› Nick Logue, sweeeet! :woot:
03/06/2008 20:27:53 ‹Absinth› GM Lilith, did you somehow improve the room's performance? It's crowded but there's nearly no lag for me...
03/06/2008 20:27:53 ‹Russ› I'm just happy I get a free PH, or I might not buy it at all.
03/06/2008 20:27:55 ‹Nick Logue› He does have teeth in his a+%*##* though!
03/06/2008 20:27:58 ‹psymin› Ooo PFS scenarios
03/06/2008 20:27:58 ‹Nick Logue› Just kidding.
03/06/2008 20:28:00 ‹cappadocius› YAY!
03/06/2008 20:28:02 ‹cappadocius› aw.
03/06/2008 20:28:07 ‹cappadocius› Why do you crush my hopes?
03/06/2008 20:28:11 ‹Nick Logue› About the teeth in the a@#+*+~, not the PFS modules.
03/06/2008 20:28:16 ‹Nick Logue› Cappa: HA!
03/06/2008 20:28:21 ‹GM Lilith› Absinth, you may thank my hoster. He moved the chatroom over to a new server, and we configured stuff to make it happy.
03/06/2008 20:28:31 ‹Pete› Nick: So is the plan to have Season 1 be all PFRPG and if so will characters convert and carry over?
03/06/2008 20:28:39 ‹cappadocius› Dr. Nick, is the Frozen Viking Guy scenario completed?
03/06/2008 20:28:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick, will the scenarios have full art and such like the rest of the Paizo stuff? and how long will each one be?
03/06/2008 20:28:50 ‹Watcher› James Jacobs, I've finished GMing Hook Mountain. Any chance Second Darkness will actually take those characters to the village of Crying Leaf? That feels like a neat little easter egg
03/06/2008 20:28:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› Urza> Not at all, my point is that I do not think that I could make a fair judgement without others reading bias into it, no matter what I say
03/06/2008 20:28:58 ‹Russ› Geez. I cannot recommend strongly enough against conversion in a Living Campaign. It DOES NOT WORK.
03/06/2008 20:29:14 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Crying Leaf is indeed scheduled to make an appearance in Second Darkness.
03/06/2008 20:29:27 ‹Watcher› Nifty
03/06/2008 20:29:28 ‹James Jacobs› Probably in Pathfinder 15.
03/06/2008 20:29:35 ‹Urza› Jason, exactly, your desire to not comment implies you only have bias things to say! :)
03/06/2008 20:29:50 ‹Nick Logue› The author of Frozen Fingers of Midnight is turning it over to me tonight...so he has twenty minutes to do so...or I eat his left testacle in front of his mom.
03/06/2008 20:29:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Do you know what the fourth Adventure Path will be about yet?
03/06/2008 20:29:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› i hear ya Russ.. I was there too
03/06/2008 20:30:02 ‹Wyvern› Jason, any breaking news in the PRPG front?
20:30:08 ‹psymin› Urza> I think that Jason touched on that topic briefly in the podcast
03/06/2008 20:30:09 ‹Nick Logue› Pete: Season 1 shall be PFRPG!
03/06/2008 20:30:14 ‹cappadocius› Yay!
03/06/2008 20:30:18 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I do. I haven't had a chance to plot it out yet, and won't until later this month.
03/06/2008 20:30:20 * cappadocius cheers Dr. Nick!
03/06/2008 20:30:25 ‹Urza› psymin, shoosh.. i'm giving him a hard time :)
03/06/2008 20:30:27 ‹Blazej› Nick Logue, Is that standard for editors?
03/06/2008 20:30:27 ‹Absinth› Wow, Nick, must be fun working for you! :D
03/06/2008 20:30:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wyvern> I am busy busy busy.. the Beta is coming together very quickly
03/06/2008 20:30:29 ‹Pete› Woohoo
03/06/2008 20:30:36 ‹Nick Logue› It is for me.
03/06/2008 20:30:49 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Are you considering a revision of how the monk does damage, and maybe letting him add his damage to monk or ki weapons?
03/06/2008 20:30:49 ‹Daigle› The PS characters are not going to be able to skew Golarion canon are they?
03/06/2008 20:30:52 ‹David› Nick Logue, but what will you do to Lilith?
03/06/2008 20:30:54 * GM Lilith changes his/her nickname to Sinister Lilith
03/06/2008 20:31:00 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> no
03/06/2008 20:31:08 * Blazej covers his ears.
03/06/2008 20:31:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> There are some changes in the works to fix up the monk damage/enhancement isue
03/06/2008 20:31:16 ‹Daigle› Thank you James!
03/06/2008 20:31:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› issue
03/06/2008 20:31:20 ‹Absinth› David, good question! :)
03/06/2008 20:31:20 ‹Pete› yum! Rocky Mountain Author Oysters
03/06/2008 20:31:23 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Bulmahn, I have a question regarding vermin. Both the SRD and Alpha use some weasel words indicating Vermin can have intelligence scores. What is your position on this?
03/06/2008 20:31:33 ‹Nick Logue› I'll buy her breakfest and help her out...Like Blackbeard I'm kind to women folk...but if you're a dude I'll cripple you for no particular reason.
03/06/2008 20:31:34 ‹James Jacobs› That's my job. To make sure that the PS stuff doesn't disrupt world themes, canon, and metaplot stuff. I intend on being a pretty hard core gatekeeper there too. <narrows eyes at Nick>
03/06/2008 20:31:43 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is this delay in deciding what AP #4 is about putting you behind on the path? :-?
03/06/2008 20:31:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> I believe the Vermin type states that they do not have Int scores...
03/06/2008 20:31:57 ‹Nick Logue› MUUUUHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH!
03/06/2008 20:32:05 ‹Daigle› Yeah Nick! You heard James!
03/06/2008 20:32:12 ‹yoda8myhead› Paizo guys, I am in a debate now with a player on the alignment of Riddleport. CN or CE?
03/06/2008 20:32:13 ‹Nick Logue› I'm writing a PFS Scenario right now very simply entitled: "Absalom Sinks"
03/06/2008 20:32:15 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> If a vermin gets an intelligence score, it is either an animal or a magical beast or an aberration.
03/06/2008 20:32:16 ‹Sinister Lilith› Nick Logue, :aww:
03/06/2008 20:32:17 ‹Nick Logue› James is going to love it!
03/06/2008 20:32:36 * Samwise joins Main
03/06/2008 20:32:39 ‹JasonBulmahn› Nick... that seems poor.... I put a lot of work into taht city.. so please don't sink it
03/06/2008 20:32:39 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› heheh
03/06/2008 20:32:41 ‹James Jacobs› By extension: vermin should never have supernatural abilities. If they do, they should be magical beasts (wiht our without Int scores).
03/06/2008 20:32:43 ‹Urza› oooh!
03/06/2008 20:32:46 ‹Mothman› Nick, will all the PSS adventures be set in or around Absalom (or am I taking the blog entry too literally)?
03/06/2008 20:32:50 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
03/06/2008 20:32:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› James is correct....
03/06/2008 20:32:54 ‹David› Nick Logue, I want it already! ;)
03/06/2008 20:32:55 ‹Nick Logue› Very well! My man crush on Jason just save Absalom!
03/06/2008 20:33:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› On bugs that is
03/06/2008 20:33:05 ‹Urza› Locus invade Absalom and sink it into a HUGE immersion hole.. I like it!
03/06/2008 20:33:09 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hooray.. Man Crush for the win
03/06/2008 20:33:12 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Sort of... we're a little behind on AP4, but not nearly as behind as we were on Second Darkness.
03/06/2008 20:33:12 ‹Samwise› glark
03/06/2008 20:33:14 * Fray joins Main
03/06/2008 20:33:19 ‹Daigle› Poor bugs always get the shaft. ;)
03/06/2008 20:33:23 ‹Sinister Lilith› Samwise! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:33:22 ‹Blazej› I would think that the adventure would be "Absalom Stinks"
03/06/2008 20:33:25 ‹Nick Logue› Many will be in Absalom, but they will range all over the face of Golarion, and possibly beyond.
03/06/2008 20:33:25 ‹clight101› You guys are killing me
03/06/2008 20:33:27 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fray!
03/06/2008 20:33:27 ‹James Jacobs› Nick: HA! That sounds AWESOME! <gets out red pen>
03/06/2008 20:33:35 * cappadocius disagrees with this position, but for purposes of this discussion quotes the SRD: Skill points equal to (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die, if the vermin has an Intelligence score. However, most vermin are mindless and gain no skill points or feats.
03/06/2008 20:33:37 ‹clight101› Man crush for the win
03/06/2008 20:33:39 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: If Nick Logue puts the wrd 'sinks' in a title, it's not a downwards motion he's thinking of....
03/06/2008 20:33:41 ‹Charles Evans› :D
03/06/2008 20:33:42 ‹Sinister Lilith› Daigle, yeah, what's up with that? :tinfoil:
03/06/2008 20:33:46 ‹Nick Logue› I love a good Man Crush!
03/06/2008 20:33:48 ‹Mothman› Nick, cool!
03/06/2008 20:33:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp
03/06/2008 20:33:53 ‹cappadocius› *If* the vermin has an Intelligence score. *Most* vermin are mindless.
03/06/2008 20:33:53 * Zaister joins Main
03/06/2008 20:34:03 ‹Blazej› Awaken vermin?
03/06/2008 20:34:08 ‹Blazej› Just in case?
03/06/2008 20:34:13 ‹Sinister Lilith› Blazej, I houseruled that spell...
03/06/2008 20:34:14 ‹Daigle› It's in progress Lilz.
03/06/2008 20:34:15 ‹Russ› James> I'm not sure it is possible to have no Int score unless you're construct, undead or vermin
03/06/2008 20:34:20 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Currently, the Riddleport Gazetteer scheduled to appear in Pathfinder 13 lists Riddleport's alignment as: CN
03/06/2008 20:34:20 ‹David› Blazej, only with a long pole...
03/06/2008 20:34:20 ‹cappadocius› Can't awaken a mindless critter.
03/06/2008 20:34:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> I hear ya, but that chart is just slavishly devoted to form... just in case, somehow, it got in Int score
03/06/2008 20:34:25 ‹Sinister Lilith› Daigle, Eeeexcellent. :plot:
03/06/2008 20:34:26 ‹Samwise› i live
03/06/2008 20:34:29 ‹Urza› i can just imagine cog soldiers fighting locus horde in the streets of absolum.. waiting never.. this is D&D not gears fo war :P
03/06/2008 20:34:30 ‹Samwise› fear my evil
03/06/2008 20:34:30 ‹Absinth› Hey Zaister
03/06/2008 20:34:30 ‹Daigle› As in outlined and considering looking for a home.
03/06/2008 20:34:34 ‹Nick Logue› :skullbones:
03/06/2008 20:34:36 ‹Fray› Yo peoples
03/06/2008 20:34:37 ‹Nick Logue› Just sayin
03/06/2008 20:34:45 ‹Nick Logue› HI FRAY!
03/06/2008 20:34:52 ‹Blazej› cappadocius, you can awaken a tree.
03/06/2008 20:34:55 ‹Pete› Hey Fray
03/06/2008 20:35:01 ‹clight101› hi fray
03/06/2008 20:35:05 ‹Mothman› hey Fray
03/06/2008 20:35:06 ‹cappadocius› yes, but vermin are *special*
03/06/2008 20:35:14 ‹cappadocius› in that D&D screws 'em to hell and back.
03/06/2008 20:35:17 * Charles Evans waves at Samwise....
03/06/2008 20:35:18 ‹clight101› or souless
03/06/2008 20:35:37 ‹Sinister Lilith› JasonBulmahn & James Jacobs: If you could pick a place in Golarion to live, where would it be?
03/06/2008 20:35:38 * Russ hates featless vermin and constructs. Some of them could really use Power Attack to make them a challenge.
03/06/2008 20:35:41 * yoda8myhead can't get all his Paizo questions ordered in his brain enough to ask
03/06/2008 20:35:42 ‹Blazej› Yeah, just saying awakening is not limited to those with minds.
03/06/2008 20:35:46 * Daigle consoles cappadocius
03/06/2008 20:35:57 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> That's well and good for WotC's bugs. Vermin that appear in Paizo products don't ever have intelligence scores, because that's part of what makes that type that type. Once they get an intelligence score, they're animals. Or magical beasts. Or aberrations. Or maybe outsiders. They're no longer vermin though.
03/06/2008 20:36:00 ‹Nick Logue› I'd live in Taldor!
03/06/2008 20:36:04 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sinister> I would prefer to be sitting on Razmir's Seat.. that guys got it sweet
03/06/2008 20:36:12 ‹Nick Logue› Wait...you weren't asking me.
03/06/2008 20:36:14 ‹Absinth› James, is it possible that Paizo ever publishes a monster that is not OGC? Like WotC's beholder?
03/06/2008 20:36:15 * Fray wonders what the Golarion version of an RV is and how much it would cost...
03/06/2008 20:36:27 ‹Sinister Lilith› Nick Logue, no, you're cool. That's an interesting answer.
03/06/2008 20:36:30 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I respect your position but strongly disagree with the results thereof.
03/06/2008 20:36:35 ‹Nick Logue› AWESOME!
03/06/2008 20:36:39 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Any type can have no Int score; but if you pull that stunt for most types, you'll need a bit of text or a Special Quality like "Mindless" to justify it.
03/06/2008 20:36:39 ‹Nick Logue› I'd live in Taldor!
03/06/2008 20:36:41 ‹David› Nick Logue, where would you live and why? ;)
03/06/2008 20:36:49 ‹Pete› I think I roomed with some semi-intelligent vermin in college
03/06/2008 20:36:52 ‹Fray› I'd live next door to Nick
03/06/2008 20:37:06 ‹yoda8myhead› James, to join your discussion w/ Cappa, the ankhegs in the recent blog post seem to operate in armies, at least as I understand it, a function of intelligence. Is this not the case?
03/06/2008 20:37:13 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I would choose to live in Sandpoint.
03/06/2008 20:37:15 ‹Sinister Lilith› Fray, would you watch him through his windows?
03/06/2008 20:37:23 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, heh. I figured as much. ;)
03/06/2008 20:37:25 ‹James Jacobs› Because that's where I grew up. Minus the goblins and stuff.
03/06/2008 20:37:25 ‹cappadocius› Ants can swarm, Yoda.
03/06/2008 20:37:26 ‹Fray› Nick> Timi's pics of you are awesome... I saved them for a project/joke soomeday
03/06/2008 20:37:27 ‹Hill Giant› yoda8myhead, seen army ants in action?
03/06/2008 20:37:29 ‹yoda8myhead› no Nick, is Taldor one of the factions?
03/06/2008 20:37:31 ‹Nick Logue› Cause in Taldor, I could wear a powdered wig and talk about my man crushes in mixed company. And I could arrange to have my friends an enemies killed by midgets with razors in their teeth.
03/06/2008 20:37:43 ‹Nick Logue› What more could you ask for!
03/06/2008 20:37:47 ‹cappadocius› Murderous Moppets!
03/06/2008 20:37:51 ‹Mothman› Taldor sounds cool....
03/06/2008 20:37:53 ‹Sinister Lilith› Nick Logue, see that's why I'd choose Absalom or Jalmeray. :P
03/06/2008 20:37:56 ‹Nick Logue› I'm not saying...but I do like me some Taldor.
03/06/2008 20:37:57 ‹cappadocius› OMG! Is Dr. Girlfriend going to be an NPC!?
03/06/2008 20:37:57 ‹Charles Evans› Hill Giant: Army ants have a Queen.
03/06/2008 20:38:18 ‹Fray› Sinister Lilith> Naw... we have secret tunnels for out awesome Axe-Box Cave that connect the two places
03/06/2008 20:38:18 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. Maybe Ankhegs have a Queen, who has Intelliegnce?
03/06/2008 20:38:20 ‹Nick Logue› I love Dr. Girlfriend.
03/06/2008 20:38:26 ‹Hill Giant› Ooh, ankheg queen,,,
03/06/2008 20:38:29 ‹Nick Logue› I have a Man Crush on her.
03/06/2008 20:38:35 * Watcher privately realizes that one could insert 'Sandpoint' into the theme for 'South Park', and it fits.. disturbingly well..
03/06/2008 20:38:36 ‹cappadocius› So, anyway. I have no problem with Vermin being mindless, actually.
03/06/2008 20:38:37 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> it's certainly possible. It won't be common, though. If, say, we got permission from 20th Century Fox to stat up the Alien in Pathfinder, that guy wouldn't be open content. Stuff like that WILL happen now and then, as we do things like that, but they'll be rare and we'll indicate via sidebar in the monster text what's up.
03/06/2008 20:38:49 ‹James Jacobs› Ankhegs are not vermin. They're magical beasts.
03/06/2008 20:38:57 ‹cappadocius› WHICH IS DUMB!
03/06/2008 20:39:16 ‹Sinister Lilith› cappadocius, we get it. Really. :)
03/06/2008 20:39:17 ‹cappadocius› They're magical beasts to get two COMPLETELY USELESS FEATS.
03/06/2008 20:39:40 ‹Sinister Lilith› Watcher: That's...disturbing. :paranoid:
03/06/2008 20:39:42 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> I agree.
03/06/2008 20:40:00 ‹Zaister› Good morning
03/06/2008 20:40:04 ‹Nick Logue› I MUST GO! I have much work to tackle tonight sadly. I LOVE YOU ALL!
03/06/2008 20:40:08 ‹Daigle› Howdy Zaister
03/06/2008 20:40:09 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› I can safely say I've never heard of anyone discussing Ankhegs with such fervour. ;)
03/06/2008 20:40:13 ‹Pygon› bye Nick!
03/06/2008 20:40:13 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Nick!
03/06/2008 20:40:14 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> If you're going to stat up an alien I'm sure it would be a better version than teh Fox one... :ugh:
03/06/2008 20:40:15 ‹Mothman› See you Nick
03/06/2008 20:40:17 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› later, Nick
03/06/2008 20:40:18 ‹clight101› late Nick
03/06/2008 20:40:19 ‹Pygon› see you tomorrow, maybe
03/06/2008 20:40:19 ‹Sinister Lilith› Zaister! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:40:20 ‹Absinth› So, if you'll ever stat up one of the Great Old Ones, is it possible that these guys won't be OGC?
03/06/2008 20:40:23 ‹Sinister Lilith› Night Nick!
03/06/2008 20:40:23 ‹Blazej› BYE NICK!
03/06/2008 20:40:25 ‹cappadocius› in fact, when I did a PFRPG conversion of an Akheg, it turns out that making them a Vermin actually bumped 'em up to CR4.
03/06/2008 20:40:31 * Sinister Lilith slips Nick a supply of Guayaki.
03/06/2008 20:40:27 ‹Zaister› :)
03/06/2008 20:40:29 ‹Nick Logue› Check out www.sinisteradventures.com and buy my stuff there if you like it. If you don't, you can cockpunch me.
03/06/2008 20:40:30 ‹Fray› Nick> Man-HUGS!
03/06/2008 20:40:31 ‹Absinth› Bye Nick, bon appetit...
03/06/2008 20:40:34 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: similarly to your development of lamias, is there any chance of seeing a 'queen ankheg' creature (with some intelligence) in Golarion?
03/06/2008 20:40:37 ‹Nick Logue› G'night everyone!
03/06/2008 20:40:38 * Sir Wulf joins Main
03/06/2008 20:40:40 ‹yoda8myhead› good night Nick. Dream of Chris Noth!
03/06/2008 20:40:41 ‹cappadocius› Absinth: the GOO are public domain.
03/06/2008 20:40:43 ‹James Jacobs› Vermin (and Giant) are honestly two types of creature that I'd not be sad to see go away in the final Pathfinder RPG. Or more to the point, I'd like to see them turn into subtypes of Animal or Humanoid.
03/06/2008 20:40:51 ‹cappadocius› Well, the interesting ones at least.
03/06/2008 20:40:53 ‹Nick Logue› I always do yoda!!!
03/06/2008 20:40:55 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sir Wulf! You're back! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:41:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Bye Nick.. I'll see you tonight.. when you sleep...
03/06/2008 20:41:01 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, I would love you FOREVER, if you did that.
03/06/2008 20:41:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wulfy
03/06/2008 20:41:07 * Charles Evans waves Nick Goodbye... :chainsaw:
03/06/2008 20:41:11 ‹Zaister› James, good idea
03/06/2008 20:41:13 ‹James Jacobs› Abinth> Yes. Although if we stat up a Great Old One who's in the public domain he will be. And most of the cool Great Old Ones are...
03/06/2008 20:41:16 ‹Nick Logue› Sexy Jason!
03/06/2008 20:41:19 ‹Russ› And give vermin feats! :P
03/06/2008 20:41:21 ‹Sir Wulf› And more sinister than ever!
03/06/2008 20:41:32 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> Watch your mouth! Alien = best movie ever!
03/06/2008 20:41:33 * Nick Logue quit
03/06/2008 20:41:35 ‹Watcher› I look at it this way, Ankhegs are better than Takasi demanding to know about the positioning of the numbers on the spines of the PF subscription..
03/06/2008 20:41:55 ‹cappadocius› Russ, you can give Vermin feats with the simple addition of an (Ex) quality that duplicates a feat exactly.
03/06/2008 20:42:04 ‹Zaister› wtf?
03/06/2008 20:42:10 ‹Blazej› My vermin always seem to have feet. Many feet more often then not.
03/06/2008 20:42:12 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Alien = Awesome, Aliens = Pretty Dam Good, the rest.... not so much...
03/06/2008 20:42:15 ‹Zaister› what about the numbers?
03/06/2008 20:42:27 ‹James Jacobs› Chalres> There could be a chance of an ankheg queen... but probably not. I like ankhegs as they are. If we want a big army of hive bugs... we'll look at the formians and make them cool. Or make up something totally new.
03/06/2008 20:42:29 ‹Samwise› cappa>no subverting the system! :-P
03/06/2008 20:42:37 ‹James Jacobs› Some monsters are better if they just stay monsters.
03/06/2008 20:42:46 ‹Pete› I remember seeing alien in the theater in 70mm or whatever it was. freakin awesome
03/06/2008 20:42:51 ‹Samwise› gamma world had some way cool bugs
03/06/2008 20:42:54 ‹Russ› cappa> I'd rather just get rid of this idea that mindless = no ability to improve at Spot, Listen, Jump, Climb or have the kind of Feats that don't take much thought.
03/06/2008 20:42:54 ‹Zaister› the best hive bugs are the Kythons from BoVD, alas not open
03/06/2008 20:42:55 ‹Blazej› Formians ... with shades.
03/06/2008 20:43:00 ‹Absinth› Fray, David Fincher's Alien II was a good one too!
03/06/2008 20:43:01 ‹Samwise› unintelligent and intelligent
03/06/2008 20:43:04 ‹Blazej› And guns.
03/06/2008 20:43:06 ‹Andrew› heh, hip bugs
03/06/2008 20:43:11 ‹Absinth› Sorry, Alien III
03/06/2008 20:43:13 ‹cappadocius› Russ: *That's* true.
03/06/2008 20:43:14 ‹Blazej› And trenchcoats.
03/06/2008 20:43:35 ‹David› hey the gazetteer Taldor entry says the Red Mantis killed an emperor how did they do that?
03/06/2008 20:43:38 ‹Marc (hmarcbower)› Matrix Kythons?
03/06/2008 20:43:38 ‹cappadocius› Russ: Although Ankhegs are pretty darned good jumpers thanks to the 21 strength.
03/06/2008 20:43:43 ‹James Jacobs› Fray> Yeah. And when I talk about the alien monster, I refer to Alien, and then I refer to Aliens. The other movies? meh
03/06/2008 20:43:46 ‹Charles Evans› James jacobs: What did you think of Species? (:D Indicating slightly jokey question.)
03/06/2008 20:43:53 ‹James Jacobs› All of them were distributed by Fox, thoguh.
03/06/2008 20:43:57 ‹Russ› Well, not really. They're as good a jumper as a level 1 barbarian with 12 Str.
03/06/2008 20:44:06 ‹Samwise› i had fun with a gamma world campaign playing the various bugs off as in starship troopers
03/06/2008 20:44:08 * Ramodil joins Main
03/06/2008 20:44:14 ‹Zaister› I liked Alien³ best actually
03/06/2008 20:44:16 ‹cappadocius› Yes, and weight approximately 10 times as much!
03/06/2008 20:44:22 ‹Fray› Absinth> Well... we can have opinions about that one...
03/06/2008 20:44:24 ‹Daigle› Howdy Ramodil
03/06/2008 20:44:30 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Actually... I'd like to get rid of the whole Mindless thing alltogether for creatures. I mean... even constructs have programming.
03/06/2008 20:44:33 ‹Pete› The Only Good Bug Is A Dead Bug, Sir!
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03/06/2008 20:44:42 ‹cappadocius› My insistence on vermin Ankheg is based entirely on taxonomic grounds.
03/06/2008 20:44:49 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sebastian! :glomp:
03/06/2008 20:44:47 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sebastian!
03/06/2008 20:44:50 ‹Pete› But enough about Sebastian..
03/06/2008 20:44:55 ‹Sir Wulf› I thought Mimic had its moments...
03/06/2008 20:44:55 ‹Blazej› Hello Sebastian.
03/06/2008 20:44:58 * Sinister Lilith messes with Sebastian's head. :thug:
03/06/2008 20:44:59 ‹Charles Evans› Sebastian!
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03/06/2008 20:45:11 ‹cappadocius› non-sapient athropods should be Vermin, sapient-arthropods should be Aberrations, and be damned to anyone who says otherwise.
03/06/2008 20:45:20 ‹David› James Jacobs the gazetteer Taldor entry says the Red Mantis killed an emperor how did they do that?
03/06/2008 20:45:20 ‹James Jacobs› Alien III was actually quite good... except that it had a shitty stupid story, and with a bad story, you can't have a good movie. The rest of it was well done, but it was all hung on a mutant deformed skeleton that should have never been.
03/06/2008 20:45:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jimmy
03/06/2008 20:45:30 ‹Russ› I'm not convinced that vermin have any good reason to be immune to Hold spells.
03/06/2008 20:45:34 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> How do I get out of this Chicken-shit outfit?
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03/06/2008 20:45:37 ‹James Jacobs› Species? Fun movie. Not GREAT. Not worth buying on DVD. But worth watching.
03/06/2008 20:45:43 ‹Sebastian› Howdy chatters
03/06/2008 20:45:49 ‹Absinth› Well, I think Alien³ rounds up the trilogy pretty well. I like it better than Aliens. The mood of this movie is great. The end is one of the best endings ever!
03/06/2008 20:45:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› Aliens. Such a good source of one-liners. :)
03/06/2008 20:46:00 ‹Charles Evans› Sebastian: Sorry about the SebastiantheSmurfed post, on one of the threads, but I felt some levity was needed to the situation at the time, and your posts looked good for some humour...
03/06/2008 20:46:07 ‹Watcher› howdy
03/06/2008 20:46:10 ‹Zaister› Absinth, exactly
03/06/2008 20:46:13 ‹cappadocius› Morning, Sebastian. Your topics of discussion include the Vermin type, horror movies, and smurfs.
03/06/2008 20:46:13 ‹Russ› Alien 4 was a fun waste of 90 minutes or so. I wouldn't ever call it good, tho.
03/06/2008 20:46:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> That it is
03/06/2008 20:46:31 ‹James Jacobs› David> The Red Mantis killing the emperor is either a) an error on our part, or b) an exception to their traditions that we'll expand on some day. I prefer b.
03/06/2008 20:46:34 ‹Ramodil› Yo
03/06/2008 20:46:39 * Sebastian purrs...and then glares and Pete
03/06/2008 20:46:55 ‹Sir Wulf› I hated Alien3 because of the way they just threw away James Cameron's supporting characters. They pissed on the whole second movie.
03/06/2008 20:47:00 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, was the emperor a rightful emperor? That might make an exception.
03/06/2008 20:47:01 * Sebastian has said hi, but can't see his posts and hopes it was successful...
03/06/2008 20:47:03 ‹Russ› I prefer (b) too.
03/06/2008 20:47:06 ‹Sebastian› wow, that's some lag.
03/06/2008 20:47:12 ‹Mothman› James: Is it LIKELY that you'll be seeking permission to stat up an Alien??
03/06/2008 20:47:16 ‹Ramodil› Yo what's up?
03/06/2008 20:47:17 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Taxonomic grounds, alas, have no real bearing on monster types. <shrug>
03/06/2008 20:47:17 ‹Russ› Hey C-Bass.
03/06/2008 20:47:19 * cappadocius daydreams, safe in the knowledge that it'll never happen, of getting ahold of the PFRPG Monster Manual and tearing Wizards' non-sensical type assignations to shreds.
03/06/2008 20:47:23 ‹Charles Evans› Sebastian: We see your posts....
03/06/2008 20:47:32 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sebastian, we usually get that on Tuesdays. :)
03/06/2008 20:47:33 ‹Sir Wulf› The fallout from killing the Emperor might have been the cause of that particular tradition.
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03/06/2008 20:47:40 ‹Sebastian› Charles Evans, though I'm sure that by the time my post shows up, your comment will be six pages up, it's cool, the humor was needed.
03/06/2008 20:47:40 ‹Absinth› Alien 4 doesn't exist in my world. It would've destroyed a perfect trilogy.
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03/06/2008 20:47:44 ‹Pete› Jason: Secure that shit, Bulmahn!
03/06/2008 20:47:47 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sir Wulf, that too. :)
03/06/2008 20:47:54 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, only because no one has let me near those rules.
03/06/2008 20:47:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> Your dreams are problably not far from reality
03/06/2008 20:47:55 ‹Watcher› Or perhaps he was a flase Emperor
03/06/2008 20:48:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Nice sir! Well done
03/06/2008 20:48:04 ‹Watcher› false even
03/06/2008 20:48:08 ‹Hill Giant› Ankhegs shouldn't be Vermin, they should be Strikers. ;-)
03/06/2008 20:48:12 ‹James Jacobs› Alien 4 was "punch your friend or whoever's sitting next to you at the end of the movie" bad.
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03/06/2008 20:48:20 * cappadocius stabs the Chibi Otyugh.
03/06/2008 20:48:21 ‹Charles Evans› Sinister Lilith: I got a reply by the way, to the post I mentioned to you the other day.
03/06/2008 20:48:24 ‹Sebastian› Hey, if the X-men can infringe on Aliens, why can't Pathfinder. ;)
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03/06/2008 20:48:28 ‹Daigle› Mothy!
03/06/2008 20:48:28 ‹Sinister Lilith› Charles Evans, I saw that.
03/06/2008 20:48:29 ‹James Jacobs› Sir Wulf> Yeah; that's the major flaw of alien 3.
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03/06/2008 20:48:37 ‹Sinister Lilith› cappadocius, :cry:
03/06/2008 20:48:37 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Exactly.
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03/06/2008 20:48:39 ‹psymin› I liked Ressurection
03/06/2008 20:48:40 ‹Charles Evans› Sebastian: I did do my best to make it clear that you hadn't actually said that.
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03/06/2008 20:48:40 ‹Sinister Lilith› Mothman! :glomp:
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03/06/2008 20:48:44 ‹Pygon› They come off more as lurkers, maybe
03/06/2008 20:48:46 ‹Sebastian› Alien 4: let us never speak of it again.
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03/06/2008 20:48:52 ‹Daigle› Sebastian, are you talking about the brood?
03/06/2008 20:48:56 ‹Mothman› wow ... massive lag
03/06/2008 20:48:56 ‹Charles Evans› Sinister Lilith: Someday, hopefully, soon..... :D
03/06/2008 20:48:59 ‹Sir Wulf› Cappadocious, don't mess with the Otyughlings!
03/06/2008 20:49:02 ‹Zaister› JasonBulmahn, one on mypet peeves: can I get you to rethink the race table for the reincarnation spell? I think the inclusion of races wiht more than one racian HD and/or level adjustment only leads to mechanical nightmares
03/06/2008 20:49:11 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> No. We won't be statting up an ALIEN. But we will, now and then, do monsters based on Pop Culture sources or stuff as the idea and the capability and the permissions strike us.
03/06/2008 20:49:13 ‹cappadocius› There was no malice in it Lilith!
03/06/2008 20:49:18 * Jimmy was invited by Ramodil
03/06/2008 20:49:24 ‹Pete› Every meals a Banquet! A paychecks a fortune!
03/06/2008 20:49:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› Zaister> I will give it some thought....
03/06/2008 20:49:33 ‹cappadocius› Oh! Yes, I support Zaister's petition, Mr. Bulmahn.
03/06/2008 20:49:37 ‹Absinth› James, mutant deformed skeleton in Alien³? What are you talking about?! :) I think you mixed that up with Alien IV
03/06/2008 20:49:44 ‹Sebastian› Daigle, yes, the brood
03/06/2008 20:50:06 ‹Zaister› JasonBulmahn, that would be cool. I'd also like guides about what kind of abilities you los if aou are reborn, like what happens to a huma
03/06/2008 20:52:46 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: There's the awful cheesy trick with a rogue with quick-draw and a heward's handy haversack loaded with flasks of acid...
03/06/2008 20:52:47 ‹Zaister› good choice!
03/06/2008 20:52:49 ‹Sir Wulf› Sebastian, they can't copyright the idea of "alien horrors that lay eggs in people". All they can do is sue you into bankrupcy if you use the idea, never winning, but crushing you with their lawyers on retainer.
03/06/2008 20:52:49 ‹cappadocius› Will we get rules for Absinthe when Emo McMulticlasspants gets his write-up?
03/06/2008 20:52:56 ‹cappadocius› I mean, he's got that big ol' flask.
03/06/2008 20:53:04 ‹Sebastian› goddamn lawyers.
03/06/2008 20:53:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> I recently changed Quick Draw.. that does not work anymore
03/06/2008 20:53:15 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> HA! HAHAHAHAAH!
03/06/2008 20:53:17 ‹cappadocius› First thing we do, is kill all of 'em.
03/06/2008 20:53:28 ‹James Jacobs› Also: what happens if you fill a portable hole with holy water and dump it on Dragotha, Jason?
03/06/2008 20:53:39 * Russ would hestitate to ever define Alien3 as part of anyhting perfect - sorry, chatlock
03/06/2008 20:53:44 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: And using a splash damage weapon to inflict sneak damage makes no sense to me... How do you get the *precision* with a spash weapon? How do you attack anything vital?
03/06/2008 20:53:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> I punch you in the face....
03/06/2008 20:53:52 ‹JasonBulmahn› :-P
03/06/2008 20:53:56 ‹Zaister› lol
03/06/2008 20:53:57 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> There are already rules for Absinthe. if you know where to look...
03/06/2008 20:54:03 ‹Absinth› :D
03/06/2008 20:54:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> I will take another look at that bit...
03/06/2008 20:54:21 ‹Russ› I suggest you review the origin of Harvey Dent.
03/06/2008 20:54:22 ‹psymin› thanks for the chat, gnite all
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03/06/2008 20:54:31 ‹Russ› (as an example of sneak attacking with a splash weapon)
03/06/2008 20:54:33 ‹Absinth› Night, psymin
03/06/2008 20:54:36 ‹Daigle› That was fast
03/06/2008 20:54:39 ‹Hill Giant› "Danger Acid. Do Not Throw in Face."
03/06/2008 20:54:40 ‹Russ› Technically, the origin of Two-Face, I guess
03/06/2008 20:54:47 ‹Blazej› I like sneak attacking with a splash weapon.
03/06/2008 20:54:51 ‹James Jacobs› One good sneak attack with a vial of acid, and POW! Down goes the rakshasa!
03/06/2008 20:55:04 ‹Daigle› I like sneak attacking witha barstool!
03/06/2008 20:55:09 ‹Blazej› Sneak attack with holy water!
03/06/2008 20:55:10 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: The thought of a ropgue somehow inflicting sneak damage with a flask of aci against the scaly side of an enormous dragon annoys me no end....
03/06/2008 20:55:10 ‹Absinth› Daigle, everything here seems to go pretty fast tonight.
03/06/2008 20:55:25 ‹Pete› Sebastian: Did you already start KotS with the pregens or waiting for the books?
03/06/2008 20:55:27 ‹Pygon› hmm, so you can sneak attack a troll with alchemist's fire? Hmm...
03/06/2008 20:55:29 ‹Charles Evans› Allow a blinding trick, or something like that maybe...
03/06/2008 20:55:35 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> i can see your frustration
03/06/2008 20:55:42 ‹Sebastian› Pete, yes I did
03/06/2008 20:55:46 ‹Blazej› And sneak attacking it with a 4 inch dagger doesn't?
03/06/2008 20:55:49 ‹Zaister› Sebastian: what is this about a KotS fix?
03/06/2008 20:55:53 ‹cappadocius› Let's see... a Portable Hole can hold 8,006 liters of holy water...
03/06/2008 20:56:01 ‹cappadocius› Does Holy Water damage undead based on volume?
03/06/2008 20:56:07 ‹Absinth› Daigle, in an orc-campaign a few years back, my PC scored a critical against an ogre with a barstool!
03/06/2008 20:56:07 ‹Sir Wulf› My players are baffled after I let them find vials of "holy acid". "What religion has holy acid? I sure don't want to be baptized by THEM!"
03/06/2008 20:56:08 ‹Sebastian› I posted about the first session - basically they bypassed all the new locations I built and went straight for the keep
03/06/2008 20:56:10 ‹James Jacobs› So does that mean it'd do 8006d6 damage?
03/06/2008 20:56:15 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> Not at the moment
03/06/2008 20:56:21 ‹Daigle› Absinth, Nice!
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03/06/2008 20:56:42 ‹Daigle› When I saw the improvised weapon feats I got excited!
03/06/2008 20:56:43 ‹Sebastian› Zaister, I have a thread about it on Paizo which is my reworking of the adventure. It was very much not a good product, particularly in comparison to Paizo stuff
03/06/2008 20:56:47 ‹cappadocius› That implies that it might at some point, Mr. Bulmahn.
03/06/2008 20:56:47 ‹Daigle› Howdy seeker
03/06/2008 20:56:48 ‹Absinth› Hey seeker!
03/06/2008 20:56:55 ‹Hill Giant› Immersion does a maximum of 20d6...
03/06/2008 20:57:00 ‹Pete› Sebastian: Yes, that's my worry too. It's in the name on the front so they want to just head there directly.
03/06/2008 20:57:10 ‹Sir Wulf› James Jacobs, after they pay 400,000 gold to buy it, I'd let them...
03/06/2008 20:57:13 ‹cappadocius› Stupid dice caps!
03/06/2008 20:57:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello all
03/06/2008 20:57:20 ‹James Jacobs› Also funny? How much damage a behir can do to you if it jumps off a 10-foot high ledge onto you versus how much damage he does if he jumps onto you from a 9 foot tall ledge.
03/06/2008 20:57:27 ‹Zaister› Sebastian, ah I'll check it out, I want to run KotS as a 4th edition test with a few of my players, to see how the game actually plays, before passig a verdict :)
03/06/2008 20:57:28 * Skeld joins Main
03/06/2008 20:57:32 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lo Daigle, Absinth,
03/06/2008 20:57:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Capp> Hill Giants on the right track I think.. but it has not been solidified yet
03/06/2008 20:57:43 ‹Watcher› Night Folks!
03/06/2008 20:57:44 ‹Daigle› Howdy Skeld
03/06/2008 20:57:48 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: Will Ray of enfeeblement stack with itself in PF?
03/06/2008 20:57:53 ‹Pygon› James: :shock::neutral:
03/06/2008 20:57:55 ‹Absinth› Night, Watcher!
03/06/2008 20:57:58 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> No
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03/06/2008 20:58:13 ‹James Jacobs› That would be all sorts of bad.
03/06/2008 20:58:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› brb 3 min
03/06/2008 20:58:19 ‹Blazej› All sorts.
03/06/2008 20:58:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is that including fancy 'pounce' feats or not? (the Behir)
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03/06/2008 20:58:45 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. Just using the "falling object" rules in the DMG, and a dead behir that falls off a ledge.
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03/06/2008 20:58:54 ‹Skeld› Daigle, hello
03/06/2008 20:59:06 ‹Skeld› hello everyone
03/06/2008 20:59:08 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Buhlman: Thanks on the Ray of enfeeblement nerfing... :D That (and it's spell compendium equivalents for other stats) annoys me no end as well.
03/06/2008 20:59:09 ‹Justin Sluder› I hate to go, but I'm nodding off here.
03/06/2008 20:59:11 ‹Justin Sluder› g
03/06/2008 20:59:13 ‹Sir Wulf› So, can leaping behir wear heavy boots to increase their damage?
03/06/2008 20:59:14 ‹Zaister› Is it special for behirs? Or could it just as well be basilisk?
03/06/2008 20:59:16 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night all
03/06/2008 20:59:24 ‹Sebastian› Zaister, yeah, I'm running it as a test too, though I was generally pretty happy with how it went.
03/06/2008 20:59:25 ‹Blazej› Charles Evans, it didn't stack before...
03/06/2008 20:59:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya justin
03/06/2008 20:59:32 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin's :sleep:
03/06/2008 20:59:32 ‹Blazej› It's not a nerf...
03/06/2008 20:59:32 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Justin.
03/06/2008 20:59:35 ‹cappadocius› If my portable hole full of holy water only does 20d6 damage, what's the point of filling it up?!
03/06/2008 20:59:40 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... it's just that something as big as a behir that falls 10 feet onto someone does 20d6 damage.
03/06/2008 20:59:41 ‹Blazej› Night Justin.
03/06/2008 20:59:51 ‹Zaister› ah
03/06/2008 20:59:53 ‹Charles Evans› BlazeJ: I have seen posters on the Paizo boards insist that it does.
03/06/2008 20:59:59 ‹cappadocius› but if it falls 9 feet?
03/06/2008 21:00:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I made the mistake of allows the spell campendium in my stap game
03/06/2008 21:00:01 ‹Hill Giant› cappadocius, per round, if you can get the undead to climb in
03/06/2008 21:00:09 ‹James Jacobs› No damage if it falls less than 10 feet.
03/06/2008 21:00:14 ‹Sir Wulf› cappadocius, you only pour out the amount you need. Bring a bucket.
03/06/2008 21:00:15 ‹cappadocius› HAH!
03/06/2008 21:00:18 ‹Pygon› where is this rule? There are lots I don't know the details of, but that's totally new to me
03/06/2008 21:00:24 ‹cappadocius› harmless Behir!
03/06/2008 21:00:28 ‹Blazej› I've seen people insist many things.
03/06/2008 21:00:30 ‹James Jacobs› That's my favorite rule to cite when I get confronted with a rulesmonger.
03/06/2008 21:00:45 ‹Daigle› That's good stuff there!
03/06/2008 21:00:48 ‹James Jacobs› The falling objects rules are on page 303 of the DMG.
03/06/2008 21:00:48 ‹cappadocius› Sir Wulf, but I brought a bucket to roll my 8006d6!
03/06/2008 21:00:54 ‹James Jacobs› They're all sorts of stupid.
03/06/2008 21:01:00 ‹Zaister› indeed
03/06/2008 21:01:05 ‹Sir Wulf› There's a behir on that ledge! Did anyone bring a ruler?
03/06/2008 21:01:13 ‹Pete› Sebastian: Did you do the town bit where they run into the nasty folks like you described in your changes? How did that go?
03/06/2008 21:01:17 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Well logically, from only nine feet away you can smell a dead behir, but.... uhh. from 10ft you can't?
03/06/2008 21:01:21 ‹James Jacobs› How much does a bowling ball weigh?
03/06/2008 21:01:23 ‹cappadocius› A good reason to memorize soften rock.
03/06/2008 21:01:31 ‹Sebastian› Pete, that was my downfall!
03/06/2008 21:01:36 ‹Hill Giant› So, James, how will PFRPG resolve the falling behir issue? ;-)
03/06/2008 21:01:38 ‹cappadocius› once the cliff slumps a little, anything fall off it is harmless!
03/06/2008 21:01:42 ‹Blazej› And I cast righteous might. Now I jump on them.
03/06/2008 21:01:49 ‹Sebastian› They met the bad guys and they treated the players like crap
03/06/2008 21:02:01 ‹Sebastian› So, the players got suspicious and tailed them to the Keep.
03/06/2008 21:02:03 ‹Pygon› hehe 4000 lb, sure enough :)
03/06/2008 21:02:11 * Sebastian smacks his forehead with his palm
03/06/2008 21:02:11 * cappadocius suspects that PFRPG won't resolve it with a simple application of F=MV like he would.
03/06/2008 21:02:26 ‹Daigle› Bowling balls? Um, 8-15lbs?
03/06/2008 21:02:35 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> I suspsect/hope by simply saying that beyond a certain weight, the damage from falling objects caps at like 5d6 or something. Probably soemthing like the crush damage from a dragon.
03/06/2008 21:02:37 ‹Charles Evans› Blazej: Actually casting righteous might would increase your size, so decrease the distance the Behir had to fall to hit you, if you were talking about that topic still.
03/06/2008 21:02:39 ‹Pete› Ah-ha! yes, that would make some sense in hindsight. so I may just stick with the "these weirdos came through town"
03/06/2008 21:02:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sounds about right Daigle,
03/06/2008 21:02:52 * cappadocius blinks.
03/06/2008 21:02:58 ‹cappadocius› Hey, YEAH.
03/06/2008 21:03:00 ‹Sir Wulf› Physics was good enough for Traveller when I was in Jr. High, so it should be good enough for Pathfinder!
03/06/2008 21:03:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Back
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03/06/2008 21:03:06 ‹Sebastian› Pete, yeah, or maybe have the gnome or halfling show up from the burial site and then travel there instead of the Keep.
03/06/2008 21:03:07 ‹James Jacobs› OK! So according to the DMG's falling objects rule... a 15 pound bowling ball would have to fall 50 feet before it starts dealing damage... and at 50 feet, it only deals 1d6 points.
03/06/2008 21:03:12 ‹Pygon› "A behir falls on you". "I jump!"
21:03:19 ‹Pete› I hate Physics. Gravity Sux.
03/06/2008 21:03:37 ‹Daigle› Maybe it's a nerf bowling ball?
03/06/2008 21:03:37 ‹Blazej› Charles Evans, no, I meant the righteous might'ed character dealing falling object damage to the person they jump on.
03/06/2008 21:03:44 ‹cappadocius› Does the Gnome take 20d6 damage from the Behir falling from a 9 foot cliff face, but the elf standing next to him takes none until the cliff face is 11 feet high?
03/06/2008 21:03:47 ‹Pete› Ah! great idea. a shifty gnome
03/06/2008 21:03:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Ahh.. I see we have gotten to the crazy falling objects rules... I am going to just move on.. I am working on it..
03/06/2008 21:03:51 ‹Charles Evans› BlazeJ: Ah.
03/06/2008 21:03:55 ‹James Jacobs› Also fun? The tarrasque gains a +1 bonus to hit you if he stands on higher ground. Like, say, an adamantine chair.
03/06/2008 21:03:59 ‹Sebastian› Yeah, but if the rule mapped reality, you'd see really dumb things happen with levitate and bricks...
03/06/2008 21:04:08 ‹Blazej› Bowling balls don't hurt much. It's a fact.
03/06/2008 21:04:11 ‹Charles Evans› BlazeJ: Would an enlarge person work just as well?
03/06/2008 21:04:34 ‹Pete› Might even have the gnome/halfing coming to town looking for some more diggers
03/06/2008 21:04:42 * Sinister Lilith gives JasonBulmahn a beer. :beer:
03/06/2008 21:04:45 ‹Blazej› Charles Evans, Yes, but I think righteous might sounded cooler.
03/06/2008 21:05:01 ‹Sir Wulf› I doubt that I'm allowed to use that tactic. After I dropped a summoned bison onto a foe, the DM ruled "NEVER AGAIN".
03/06/2008 21:05:03 ‹Daigle› shamgar nearly killed himself with a bowling ball
03/06/2008 21:05:05 ‹cappadocius› Additional fun - a colossal monster whose weapon/claw is actually larger than a gnome can run in a round, still takes a penalty to hit it.
03/06/2008 21:05:22 ‹Charles Evans› Blazej: true, as RPG'ers, considering coolness is sometimes necessary to an idea... :)
03/06/2008 21:05:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› So, due to Beta needs, I am going to be cutting out here in a bit... any last questions? (that do not involve splash weapons or falling damage :-P)
03/06/2008 21:06:07 ‹yoda8myhead› yes, Jason, will there be any more changes to grapple?
03/06/2008 21:06:08 ‹cappadocius› um.
03/06/2008 21:06:11 ‹Sinister Lilith› JasonBulmahn, get a massage. :) And a hot toddy.
03/06/2008 21:06:14 ‹cappadocius› Drowning rules!
03/06/2008 21:06:15 ‹Daigle› Do you prefer tapioca pudding or fiberglass ladders?
03/06/2008 21:06:20 ‹yoda8myhead› like how to turn a grapple on someone else?
03/06/2008 21:06:22 ‹BM› Can you drop a spoiler/preveiw of some of the new changes?
03/06/2008 21:06:27 ‹cappadocius› or yoda's question!
03/06/2008 21:06:31 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: How many chats do we have left before you send Beta to the printers?
03/06/2008 21:06:34 ‹Pygon› um, can an acid wall be brought down by a cone of cold? :P (elemental wall, "as wall of fire";)
03/06/2008 21:06:37 ‹Pete› Jason: Or get a hot massage. And a toddy. Your choice.
03/06/2008 21:06:40 ‹Sir Wulf› When should we expect the organized play rules to be ready?
03/06/2008 21:06:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> Not really... except for maybe the turning the grapple bit
03/06/2008 21:06:44 ‹Blazej› Let's see. Enlarge person, then use telekinesis to thrust yourself into the air. Then land on your enemy.
03/06/2008 21:06:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> Very few...
03/06/2008 21:07:19 ‹Charles Evans› Blazej: Do they still have Jump around as a spell?
03/06/2008 21:07:23 ‹cappadocius› What happens if you cast Rope Trick inside a Portable Hole?
03/06/2008 21:07:23 ‹David› when does it?
03/06/2008 21:07:25 ‹Absinth› Jason, any chance you'll bring back Concentration in the beta?
03/06/2008 21:07:30 ‹yoda8myhead› Blazej, that's probably a touch attack
03/06/2008 21:07:37 ‹yoda8myhead› or an attack vs. reflex
03/06/2008 21:07:42 ‹Blazej› Charles Evans, I think so.
03/06/2008 21:07:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Absinth> Nope... but that does not mean the issue is closed
03/06/2008 21:08:01 ‹yoda8myhead› cappa, you appear on the 10th level of hell
03/06/2008 21:08:05 ‹Blazej› yoda8myhead, bah the caster should still be able to nail the enemy most of the time.
03/06/2008 21:08:14 ‹Zaister› Pertsonally, I'd like to see Concentration kept as it was and rathe see Spellcraft merged int Knowledge Arcana completely
03/06/2008 21:08:20 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: I understand you're reluctant to include side-bars because of space considerations; will we see one for alternate rules for damage reduction?
03/06/2008 21:08:32 ‹Absinth› Zaister, exactly my opinion.
03/06/2008 21:08:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I like the new DR
03/06/2008 21:08:42 ‹Sir Wulf› 10th level of hell> The one reserved for 4e fans and other people who can't do math?
03/06/2008 21:08:45 ‹David› i really wish autohypnosis and concentration could be rolled into a new skill called 'focus
03/06/2008 21:08:45 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> In what way.. alternates for DR?
03/06/2008 21:08:56 ‹Blazej› Sir Wulf, Boo.
03/06/2008 21:08:57 ‹Zaister› the dividing line between KN. Arcana and Spellcraft is vague anyway
03/06/2008 21:09:02 ‹Sebastian› I've got to run, later all
03/06/2008 21:09:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Zaister, spellcraft can apply to Divine spells too, in which case a cleric would be at a disadvantage
03/06/2008 21:09:11 ‹Sinister Lilith› Later Sebastian! :glomp:
03/06/2008 21:09:12 ‹Blazej› Later Sebastian.
03/06/2008 21:09:13 ‹Daigle› Later Sebastian
03/06/2008 21:09:13 ‹Absinth› Bye, Sebastian
03/06/2008 21:09:16 ‹BM› Night Sebastian.
03/06/2008 21:09:16 ‹clight101› night all, I'm out myself
03/06/2008 21:09:17 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya Sebastian,
03/06/2008 21:09:20 ‹David› bye Sebastian
03/06/2008 21:09:24 ‹Pete› Later Sebastian, thanks for the tips!
03/06/2008 21:09:26 * cappadocius notes that he'd wrap Detect Magic into Spellcraft anyway, so stays out of skills discussions.
03/06/2008 21:09:27 ‹seekerofshadowlight› bye clight101,
03/06/2008 21:09:40 ‹Absinth› Night Clight
03/06/2008 21:09:41 ‹Sinister Lilith› Night clight101!
03/06/2008 21:09:42 ‹JasonBulmahn› Zaister> I hear ya.. The dividing line has been set to this.. Know (arc) is for "book learning" about magic, whereas spellcraft is your practical knowledge...
03/06/2008 21:09:43 ‹Charles Evans› I understand some people like the way things were in 3.5, but others are big fans of the monte-cook system, and I can certainly see the latter being useful for starting players, even though I like my werewolfs silver weapons only.
03/06/2008 21:09:43 ‹David› bye to you too!
03/06/2008 21:09:51 ‹Blazej› I don't like Autohypnosis, specifically it's ability to stabilize easily.
03/06/2008 21:09:54 ‹JasonBulmahn› Which is why Concentration got rolled into Spellcraft
03/06/2008 21:10:01 ‹Zaister› cappadocia, not really an issue now that anyone who can cast Detec Magic can do it at will
03/06/2008 21:10:14 ‹Blazej› I like concentration being with spellcraft.
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03/06/2008 21:10:29 ‹Pete› We complete blew concentration out of all our campaigns. all the npc's just loaded up on it anyway.
03/06/2008 21:10:31 ‹Hill Giant› I'd roll autohypnosis, psicraft, and concentrate together
03/06/2008 21:10:32 ‹cappadocius› Zaister, that's sort of my point.
03/06/2008 21:10:42 ‹paul› night, sleep well all
03/06/2008 21:10:42 ‹Zaister› ah
03/06/2008 21:10:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› I have no issue with concentration being with spellcraft as well
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03/06/2008 21:10:49 ‹Absinth› So, will psions have spellcraft as a skill? That feels somehow wrong to me.
03/06/2008 21:10:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› psicraft
03/06/2008 21:10:58 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: I understand there may be some issue for users odf psionics in concentration goes away altogether; will you propose an alternative skill (if necessary)?
03/06/2008 21:11:01 ‹BM› Jason, the problem is that there are 3.5 classes that use concention and that are not spellcasters.
03/06/2008 21:11:03 ‹David› gnight paul
03/06/2008 21:11:04 ‹Pete› night paul
03/06/2008 21:11:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› rool it into psicraft for them
03/06/2008 21:11:14 ‹Zaister› Concentrating on a spell should be kind of opposed though, as in Monte's BoXM, else if becomes a non-issue at medium levles
03/06/2008 21:11:17 ‹Sinister Lilith› JasonBulmahn, how about Craft (alchemy)? Will it still require spellcasting levels to use?
03/06/2008 21:11:24 ‹JasonBulmahn› Absinth> i am not deeply concerned about Psionics right now.. I will cross that bridge when (and if) I come to it
03/06/2008 21:11:44 ‹Absinth› Seeker, might be a solution...
03/06/2008 21:11:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> Right now it does, but I am looking into that too
03/06/2008 21:11:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› Absinth, in are game I just rolled it into psicaft
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03/06/2008 21:12:00 ‹Zaister› I never liked Alchemy as a craft skill - craft skills should be about creating stuff, not analyzing and knowledge stuff
03/06/2008 21:12:15 ‹Pete› Jason: What is the current page count?
03/06/2008 21:12:19 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I'd love to see psionics just basically be called "magic" and be done with it. Saves a lot of needless work in the "Power Resistance" camp.
03/06/2008 21:12:20 ‹seekerofshadowlight› its kinda an easy one really
03/06/2008 21:12:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Very big...
03/06/2008 21:12:49 ‹Pygon› I burned up a toner cartridge printing Alpha 3 so I think I'll just order the Beta
03/06/2008 21:12:50 ‹Sinister Lilith› JasonBulmahn, My vote is "not require"...but that's my opinion on it.
03/06/2008 21:12:52 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: Is beta going to be one book (reported) 4E PHB style, or two (PHB & DMG)? Or just really big?
03/06/2008 21:12:52 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, I like that too.
03/06/2008 21:12:55 ‹James Jacobs› Classifying psionics as something other than magic just causes WAY too many problems.
03/06/2008 21:13:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Lets put it like this, I am working on page 328 right now
03/06/2008 21:13:04 ‹JasonBulmahn› roughly
03/06/2008 21:13:11 ‹Charles Evans› :w00t:
03/06/2008 21:13:17 ‹Zaister› James Jacobs, I concur completely
03/06/2008 21:13:18 ‹Daigle› Go Jason Go!
03/06/2008 21:13:22 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, the "half as good" magic vs psi I worked out in my games didn't do too bad.
03/06/2008 21:13:33 ‹James Jacobs› And players who b&&@# and moan about that are probably the ones who enjoy psionics not because of the flavor, but because of the fact that they can abuse those rules. (cranky editor mode OFF)
03/06/2008 21:13:34 ‹Sinister Lilith› JasonBulmahn, go go go! :woot: :headbang:
03/06/2008 21:13:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> It will have a lot of in the DMG info, and most of the PHB info
03/06/2008 21:13:36 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nice page count
03/06/2008 21:13:50 ‹James Jacobs› WOO! Page 328!
03/06/2008 21:13:52 ‹Absinth› James, that might be good for simplicity's sake, but not in terms of flavour
03/06/2008 21:14:00 ‹James Jacobs› Gonna hit 400 by end of day tomorrow, right Jason?
03/06/2008 21:14:06 ‹Pete› I *love* page 328. I'm sure of it.
03/06/2008 21:14:09 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> No...
03/06/2008 21:14:16 ‹Daigle› That IS gonna be a big book!
03/06/2008 21:14:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> I wish
03/06/2008 21:14:26 ‹Zaister› JasonBulmahn, regarding dividing XP among the group, do you personally prefer the "exact" method, or the "simple" one?
03/06/2008 21:14:35 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Getting close though, I should be to page 350 by the morning...
03/06/2008 21:14:43 ‹JasonBulmahn› Zaister> Simple
03/06/2008 21:14:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› any big chages so far jason or just small ajustments?
03/06/2008 21:14:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Jason, what's the target page count?
03/06/2008 21:15:07 ‹Zaister› Thanks, I think that's my preference, too
03/06/2008 21:15:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> A few good sized, mostly small
03/06/2008 21:15:15 ‹Pygon› will the final Beta document be all inclusive or still be in addition to the SRD?
03/06/2008 21:15:15 ‹Charles Evans› Jason Bulmahn: Will we see new art for the end product next year? I know some fo the 4E preview criticisms have been about recycled artwork...
03/06/2008 21:15:21 ‹JasonBulmahn› Yoda> Around 400...
03/06/2008 21:15:40 ‹seekerofshadowlight› any tesers on any of the big ones?
03/06/2008 21:15:44 ‹Daigle› How much of a nightmare is it to track all the changes and maintain continuity throughout what must be a beast of a project?
03/06/2008 21:15:57 ‹seekerofshadowlight› 400..has such a nice sound to it
03/06/2008 21:15:58 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> There will be some new art, i am sure, but I am also sure some will be reused... why redo Wayne's awesome Iconics for example
03/06/2008 21:16:11 ‹JasonBulmahn› Daigle> A huge one...
03/06/2008 21:16:13 ‹Zaister› I would be a sin not to use them!
03/06/2008 21:16:19 ‹James Jacobs› Also: We're in a different area, I suspect, than WotC with 4th edition.
03/06/2008 21:16:20 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> Nope :-P
03/06/2008 21:16:23 ‹Blazej› Daigle, between DC 25 and DC 30 I think.
03/06/2008 21:16:25 ‹Pete› Jason's got the Beta to finish, and Gilder to frame for it! He's Swamped!
03/06/2008 21:16:25 ‹seekerofshadowlight› a sin indeed
03/06/2008 21:16:33 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth AFC
03/06/2008 21:16:35 ‹Daigle› Blazej :lol:
03/06/2008 21:16:36 ‹James Jacobs› Look at the 3.0 and 3.5 PHBs for example. Mostly reused art. SOME new stuff, but not much.
03/06/2008 21:16:42 ‹seekerofshadowlight› you evil man you jason
03/06/2008 21:16:49 ‹Zaister› You should also get their names into the book! :)
03/06/2008 21:16:49 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: are you keeping the layout department busy? :)
03/06/2008 21:16:58 ‹JasonBulmahn› Peter> Stop rhyming I mean it! Anybody want a peanut?
03/06/2008 21:17:15 ‹Pygon› #-o
03/06/2008 21:17:16 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> Yes.. quite
03/06/2008 21:17:20 ‹James Jacobs› That'll probably be the main guiding principle for the Pathfinder RPG, really. I'd certainly LOVE to replace a lot of the art that first appeared as scenes from adventures... but the head shots and item illos and all that are fine.
03/06/2008 21:17:21 ‹Pygon› poet and don't know it
21:18:08 ‹Pete› Jason: That Jacobs, he can *fuss*
03/06/2008 21:18:08 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs I know I spotted a lot of shots from Rise of the runelords going through the Alpha 3 PDF. I don't mind that so much at this stage....
03/06/2008 21:18:19 ‹Absinth› So, can we expect Vincent's items illustrations in the chapter on magic items and gear? That would rock!
03/06/2008 21:18:22 ‹Russ› I don't recall any recycled art in the 3.0 PH
03/06/2008 21:18:33 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... the art department's pretty crazy busy now. Even without the Beta... they've still got a hardcover, Pathfinder, map folios & a buncha other stuff to do. It's actually pretty crazy now, and will get even crazier as we approach Friday the 13th...
03/06/2008 21:18:46 ‹Sinister Lilith› Russ, I think he's referring to the re-use of 3.0 stuff in the 3.5 PHB
03/06/2008 21:18:52 ‹yoda8myhead› James, are you back on schedule with the APs? I know you said a few weeks ago you were behind the curve.
03/06/2008 21:18:53 ‹James Jacobs› I did take Skill Focus (fuss). It'd be a shame not to use it!
03/06/2008 21:18:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> I think that James like to scream at *us*
03/06/2008 21:18:59 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Friday 13th's are always exceptionally lucky...
03/06/2008 21:19:01 ‹Russ› I'm apparently not gonna got any good feedback in before the Beta
03/06/2008 21:19:18 ‹Pete› Jason: Probably he means no *harm*
03/06/2008 21:19:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I'm talking about the 3.5 PH, not the 3.0 one.
03/06/2008 21:19:23 * tensor joins Main
03/06/2008 21:19:24 ‹Russ› I don't really care if PFRPG has recycled art, but it's pretty sad that Hasbro couldn't afford it for 4.0
03/06/2008 21:19:25 ‹Urza› i don't mind the reused art either.. we got the picture of Seoni getting ambushed in the market that was altered in the final printing of D2 :)
03/06/2008 21:19:33 * Charles Evans waves at tensor...
03/06/2008 21:19:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> James is really very short on *charm*
03/06/2008 21:19:51 ‹tensor› hi everyone.
03/06/2008 21:19:54 ‹tensor› hi Charles
03/06/2008 21:19:57 * yoda8myhead 's favorite part is watching Jason and Pete quote Princess Bride.
03/06/2008 21:20:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy tensor
03/06/2008 21:20:04 * Sinister Lilith giggles.
03/06/2008 21:20:09 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey tensor
03/06/2008 21:20:15 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> We are almost on schedule for the APs. Friday the 13th is the target. We've been anywhere from a week to 5 weeks behind on Pathfinder pretyt much since the start... it's gonna be AWESOME to be back on schedule finally.
03/06/2008 21:20:19 ‹Pete› Jason: You have a great gift for rhyme
03/06/2008 21:20:28 ‹Blazej› Jason, for the polymorph spells you set a limit on things like Darkvision 60 ft. but you don't limit the damage on rend or what poison you can get while polymorphed.
03/06/2008 21:20:33 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> some of the time
03/06/2008 21:20:47 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> I no longer regret sending you a picture of your NEW PET now.
03/06/2008 21:20:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› Blazej> Yeah, I am looking into that issue
03/06/2008 21:20:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› any chance we can kill the darkvision limit?
03/06/2008 21:21:00 ‹Zaister› JasonBulmahn, another question, why is the base DC for combat maneuvres 15?
03/06/2008 21:21:04 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Umm... bad
03/06/2008 21:21:13 ‹James Jacobs› He's cute! You'll like him!
03/06/2008 21:21:19 ‹Blazej› JasonBulmahn, Ok, I won't start making a thread for that then.
03/06/2008 21:21:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Zaister> Because it should be difficult to trip someone, not just 50/50
03/06/2008 21:21:46 ‹yoda8myhead› James, is this another spider you're threatening Jason with?
03/06/2008 21:21:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> I seriously doubt that
03/06/2008 21:21:52 ‹Zaister› I see
03/06/2008 21:22:04 ‹Pete› Jason: The beta is tricky, could be rocky ahead.
03/06/2008 21:22:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I amy bother Mike with this one as well, but for the record, how well known in Korvosa is the gnome clockmaker & his family? What about his duties at the castle? And how familiar is he with the layout of the castle, and of the gossip/rumours about events there?
03/06/2008 21:22:19 ‹Zaister› make sense to my, but I have to sell it to my players; my monk players sees his grapple tactics being nerfed :)
03/06/2008 21:22:27 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> If it is, we'll all be dead!
03/06/2008 21:22:57 ‹Russ› Monk grappling NEEDS to be nerfed.
03/06/2008 21:23:02 ‹Pete› lol! you're 100%
03/06/2008 21:23:09 ‹JasonBulmahn› Zaister> yeah, I can empathize, but the existing rules just made it way too easy and grapple was way too penalizing...
03/06/2008 21:23:10 ‹Zaister› Russ, yes!
03/06/2008 21:23:27 ‹Charles Evans› I inquire since it occured to me that at some point in CotCT the PCs may have to invade castle Korvosa, and the gnome may be someone obvious to goto for help.
03/06/2008 21:23:36 ‹Zaister› well he gets his level into the CMB instead of BAB
03/06/2008 21:23:52 ‹Charles Evans› Even before then, I'm wondering if he knows about what the queen is upto (recruiting grey maidens, etc)
03/06/2008 21:23:53 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Technically, no. It's not a spider.
03/06/2008 21:23:57 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> I have watched that movie a few too many times, thats what I meant
03/06/2008 21:24:04 ‹seekerofshadowlight› it seems to work well for my home game
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03/06/2008 21:24:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Great... just great
03/06/2008 21:24:24 ‹Zaister› btw, a rogue talent says you can get a "combat maneuver feat" - what exactly are those?
03/06/2008 21:24:31 ‹Zaister› there seems to be a definition missing
03/06/2008 21:24:41 ‹Sinister Lilith› Zaister, I imagine the combat feats.
03/06/2008 21:25:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Zaister> lilith is correct.. and that is changing in the beta...
03/06/2008 21:25:03 ‹Pete› Jason: For years we used to send the kids off to the bus with "have fun stormin the castle!" still say it once in awhile when they visit.
03/06/2008 21:25:07 ‹Zaister› ok
03/06/2008 21:25:12 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The gnome clockmaker isn't well known, really. He has no role in Second Darkness, for example... in fact, he's probably been put to the sword by then for knowing "TOO MUCH" about the castle... He probably has to flee the city early on, in other words.
03/06/2008 21:25:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Think it will work? It would take a miracle.
03/06/2008 21:25:58 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: In some campaigns players who have read the guide to Korvosa may want to work him into their background though...
03/06/2008 21:26:06 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright.. I gotta run... take care everybody... talk to you all next week
03/06/2008 21:26:10 ‹James Jacobs› That said... if the PCs do ever have to invade Castle Korvosa... we'd certainly include something that talks about how they can contact NPCs to learn the castle layout beforehand. There's a fair number of those NPCs out there, many of which have bigger roles to play and know more than the gnome in question.
03/06/2008 21:26:15 ‹Pygon› thanks Jason
03/06/2008 21:26:18 ‹Sinister Lilith› JasonBulmahn, hugs! :glomp: :hugs:
03/06/2008 21:26:19 ‹Charles Evans› Mike did make him an interesting character, with those daft names for his daughters.
03/06/2008 21:26:22 ‹Absinth› Bye Jason, get well soon!
03/06/2008 21:26:24 ‹Daigle› Good night Jason, thanks for stopping by!
03/06/2008 21:26:26 ‹Zaister› JasonBulmahn, I'd also like you to take a look at this thread: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...arcters to see if I get the feat distribution stuff right. I'm working on the Pathfinder RPG implementation in PCGen, and this is important stuff for me in this regard
03/06/2008 21:26:37 ‹Pete› You rush a miracle, you get rotten miracles! Just like a Beta! Nite!
03/06/2008 21:26:43 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jason Bulmahn.....
03/06/2008 21:26:47 ‹JasonBulmahn› I'll see if I got time Zaister
03/06/2008 21:26:48 ‹Zaister› good night Jason!
03/06/2008 21:26:51 ‹Zaister› cool
03/06/2008 21:27:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya jason
03/06/2008 21:27:05 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup. But he doesn't have a role in Second Darkness. A player or GM is free to add him in, of course.
03/06/2008 21:27:20 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
03/06/2008 21:27:32 ‹Charles Evans› James: I think you mean Curse of the Crimson Throne???
03/06/2008 21:27:37 ‹Daigle› Craig!
03/06/2008 21:27:40 ‹Absinth› Hi Rambling Scribe!
03/06/2008 21:27:43 ‹Charles Evans› :shock:
03/06/2008 21:27:49 ‹James Jacobs› But the thing is, there's already a character that is VERY FAMILIAR with the castle that the PCs gain access to during the adventure.
03/06/2008 21:27:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, will there be any further uses of the Harrow deck in adventures after CotCT? It seems like such an awesome resource, I've been playing around with character generation stuff and adventure plot generation.
03/06/2008 21:27:52 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi all!
03/06/2008 21:27:55 ‹James Jacobs› And yes. I meant Crimson Throne.
03/06/2008 21:27:59 ‹Sinister Lilith› Scribe!
03/06/2008 21:27:59 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Yes.
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03/06/2008 21:28:16 ‹Charles Evans› Goodmorning Rambling Scribe...
03/06/2008 21:28:19 ‹Skeld› night all
03/06/2008 21:28:23 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, Sweet! :)
03/06/2008 21:28:26 ‹James Jacobs› Nothing so pervasive as what we're doing in CotCT, but we'll keep having Harrow easter eggs now and then.
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03/06/2008 21:28:32 ‹Absinth› Night, Skeld
03/06/2008 21:28:36 ‹James Jacobs› Also: Pathfinder 12 has rules for the Harrow Deck of Many Things...
03/06/2008 21:28:42 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, :squee:
03/06/2008 21:28:46 ‹Zaister› Cool!
03/06/2008 21:28:51 ‹Daigle› Awesome!
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03/06/2008 21:28:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Crap, I scared Jason!
03/06/2008 21:29:02 ‹Absinth› Yes, awesome indeed
03/06/2008 21:29:05 ‹Zaister› btw, Green Ronin has a great Deck of Many Things prop
03/06/2008 21:29:07 ‹James Jacobs› Some of those cards do some pretty wacky stuff, too.
03/06/2008 21:29:14 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> Yup!
21:29:31 ‹Daigle› That sounds really fun!
03/06/2008 21:29:40 ‹yoda8myhead› James, how much of Golarion comes from different people's homebrew, percentage wise?
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03/06/2008 21:30:35 ‹Absinth› James, will we see more regional guides (like Orision, Into The Darklands, Guide To Darkmoon Vale) in 2009? And, if so, on which region?
03/06/2008 21:30:48 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are some of the Harrodeck of many things cards 'save or die, no spending harrow points tro worm out of it' bad?
03/06/2008 21:31:07 ‹Charles Evans› (bad for the drawer, that is?
03/06/2008 21:31:25 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> that's hard to say, since we keep adding in new stuff from new writers and all that.
03/06/2008 21:32:05 ‹Charles Evans› .
03/06/2008 21:32:08 ‹Pete› James: Do authors have a separate writing guide or do they work off the published works?
03/06/2008 21:32:14 ‹yoda8myhead› James, seems like a lot of the basics are yours though. Gods and such.
03/06/2008 21:32:15 ‹James Jacobs› My homebrew probably had the most influence on Golarion, though. 50% of the gods are from my homebrew. Almost ALL of Varisia is, along with Kyonin and Belkzen. Very little of my homebrew is otherwise part of the world.
03/06/2008 21:32:27 ‹Charles Evans› :cthulhu:
03/06/2008 21:32:34 ‹yoda8myhead› Is it Erik's then?
03/06/2008 21:32:40 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes; there'll be more guide book type books. We haven't anounced them yet.
03/06/2008 21:32:50 ‹Russ› I'd hope that both the good and bad things wear off. Makes it more reasonable that someone will draw, whereas the current deck is like playing Russian roulette
03/06/2008 21:33:08 ‹Absinth› I know you haven't announced any. I was hoping for spoilers...:)
03/06/2008 21:33:09 ‹yoda8myhead› no announcement doesn't mean no teasers/spoilers in the chat ;-)
03/06/2008 21:33:22 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Some of the reguklar deck's effects are very powerful.
03/06/2008 21:33:28 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes; some of the Harrow deck of many things are save or die effects. There's a few that might even be plain old die no save effects. HOWEVER, there are elements in the adventure itself that let the PCs soften those blows a bit.
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03/06/2008 21:33:42 ‹James Jacobs› But in the end... if you draw from a deck... you're kinda giving up the right to save anyway.
03/06/2008 21:33:51 ‹Russ› Yep. Pull this trigger, and if you don't blow your head off, I'll give you 100 grand.
03/06/2008 21:33:56 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: If there weren't cards around like the donjon, people would draw from it with little concern.
03/06/2008 21:33:58 ‹yoda8myhead› 1/52 chance of not needing a save
03/06/2008 21:34:20 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> For the authors, we generally provide them the info. now, we just give them the Gazetter, and eventually we'll just have them use the Hardcover.
03/06/2008 21:34:31 ‹Russ› I'd rather see severe penalties that eventually go away than "poof, you're dead", that's all.
03/06/2008 21:34:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The russian roulette angle of the deck is the point of the item, though. That said, again... when it shows up in the adventure, there are elements in there to make it less disruptive to the campaign.
03/06/2008 21:35:07 ‹Russ› A medium-duration curse is a roleplaying hook. Bang, you're screwed is BORING.
03/06/2008 21:35:12 ‹cappadocius› This actually came up in a discussion quite a while back, but Mr. Jacobs does Paizo look at *all* at "blind submissions" of adventure materials?
03/06/2008 21:35:32 ‹cappadocius› Or is the workload too much to allow for anything even approximating a slush pile?
03/06/2008 21:35:34 ‹Sinister Lilith› Are there any submissions going on right now?
03/06/2008 21:36:19 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: a medium duration curse is an excuse for 'I'm going to take 100 draws, because the good things stick around, but I can weasel out of the curse, if that comes up'.
03/06/2008 21:36:26 ‹James Jacobs› Also, since the deck appears near the end of the Crimson Throne AP... we're less concerned with things that are pretty crazy powerful, to be honest. if you as the GM intend to carry on the adventure beyond CotCT's end, you'll want to keep that in mind...
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03/06/2008 21:37:15 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah you need a big fear not to chance the deck more then a few times
03/06/2008 21:37:19 ‹James Jacobs› We DID try to make the deck less disruptive to overall campaigns than the standard deck. Part of that is the fact that the Harrow version has a LOT more cards; that means a lot smaller chance of drawing the really bad one or ones.
03/06/2008 21:37:25 ‹Pygon› James - Any final figure on the final PC level of Second Darkness?
03/06/2008 21:37:37 ‹cappadocius› 6th!
03/06/2008 21:37:54 ‹Pygon› the BBEG is 4 Ankhegs!
03/06/2008 21:37:56 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If I understand (I have only seen upto #9 thus far) correctly,is Ileosa doing things that the dragon (or at least the cult of the death god) really don't approve of? She's taking the dragon along for a ride?
03/06/2008 21:37:58 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> We don't have any "blind submissions" at this time at all. Everything we've done is pretty much commissioned by us or done via something like RPG superstar.
03/06/2008 21:38:01 ‹Daigle› :lol:
03/06/2008 21:38:40 ‹Russ› CE> I said limited duration on both, actually, not just the bad things. And you couldn't ever get unlimited draws fromt he Deck.
03/06/2008 21:38:43 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
03/06/2008 21:38:48 ‹cappadocius› Mr. Jacobs, someone asked what you guys would do if they just sent you an adventure. I didn't have a good answer, since I'm not a Paizoan!
03/06/2008 21:38:53 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> At the end of Second Darkness, PCs should be hitting 16th level I suspect.
03/06/2008 21:38:59 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Wait.
03/06/2008 21:39:00 ‹Pygon› nice, thanks
03/06/2008 21:39:07 ‹James Jacobs› That might be 14th.
03/06/2008 21:39:09 ‹Pete› James: So Art is the most expensive to commision, right? So I should learn to draw, not write? :-)
03/06/2008 21:39:13 ‹Charles Evans› .
03/06/2008 21:39:15 ‹James Jacobs› Somewhere between 14 and 16, in any case.
03/06/2008 21:39:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› well guys i'm out night all
03/06/2008 21:39:25 ‹Daigle› Goodnight seeker
03/06/2008 21:39:26 ‹Pygon› ok, thank you
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03/06/2008 21:39:29 ‹Absinth› Night, Seeker!
03/06/2008 21:39:31 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> If you want to make a living in this industry, art is more lucrative than writing Hands Down.
03/06/2008 21:39:31 ‹Pete› nite sosl
03/06/2008 21:39:34 ‹Pygon› bye seeke... yeah.
03/06/2008 21:39:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› How does cartography compare to art/writing?
03/06/2008 21:40:01 ‹Rambling Scribe› $-wise?
03/06/2008 21:40:13 ‹Daigle› Stupid pictures thinking they're better than words. :|
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03/06/2008 21:40:17 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's more complex than that, and I'd rather not get into the big spoilers in a chat.
03/06/2008 21:40:18 ‹Sinister Lilith› :lol:
03/06/2008 21:40:29 * Moth AFC changes his/her nickname to Mothman
03/06/2008 21:40:35 ‹Daigle› I mean look at the exchange rate one picture=1000 words!
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03/06/2008 21:40:41 ‹Sinister Lilith› That's a good question, Craig. :P
03/06/2008 21:40:41 ‹Mothman› Is a picture really worth 1000 words?
03/06/2008 21:40:44 * Sinister Lilith wants to know! :D
03/06/2008 21:40:52 ‹Absinth› Does any of you know why the carrion crawler is WotC IP? I can understand them keeping mindflayers, beholders etc. for themselves, but why the carrion crawler? Is it special in any way?
03/06/2008 21:40:54 ‹Pete› James: I wasn't under the impression anyone in the industry actually made a living. They do it for the beer.
03/06/2008 21:40:55 ‹Mothman› uh - beaten by Daigle!
03/06/2008 21:41:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well most rpgs pay 3 cents a word, but more than $30 for a picture...
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03/06/2008 21:41:22 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete, and the women! Apparently.
03/06/2008 21:41:29 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> if someone just sent us an adventure... we'd probably glance through it real quick and either set it aside on a big stack of papers that'd instantly absorb it, or (far more likely) we'd just throw it away. Unless that person was named Monte Cook or Stephen King or Martin Scorsese or something like that, of coruse.
03/06/2008 21:41:40 ‹cappadocius› Of course.
03/06/2008 21:41:44 ‹James Jacobs› Cartography pays better than writing, but not as good as art.
03/06/2008 21:41:46 * Zaister_ changes his/her nickname to Zaister
03/06/2008 21:41:47 ‹Pete› Lilith: Well, except for Logue! Apparently.
03/06/2008 21:41:56 ‹cappadocius› That was my suspicion. Thanks for the confirmation.
03/06/2008 21:42:10 * Rambling Scribe changes his/her nickname to Martin Scorsese
03/06/2008 21:42:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Martin Scorsese writes RPGs!?!
03/06/2008 21:42:20 ‹cappadocius› They're pretty bad, Yoda.
03/06/2008 21:42:25 ‹Martin Scorsese› I have an adventure pitch for you JJ...
03/06/2008 21:42:25 ‹cappadocius› The man has no feel for CR.
03/06/2008 21:42:25 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, good to know. :plot:
03/06/2008 21:42:27 ‹Zaister› Gangs of Korvosa!
03/06/2008 21:42:30 ‹Urza› hehe
03/06/2008 21:42:59 ‹Absinth› Yes, Scorseses adventures all end with TPKs...
03/06/2008 21:43:01 ‹Daigle› Marty!
03/06/2008 21:43:03 ‹cappadocius› Wait, Zaister, if Korvosa is New York, does that make Magnimar L.A. and Riddleport Chicago?
03/06/2008 21:43:11 ‹James Jacobs› Art, generally, gets paid about 10 times the amount that words get paid for the amount of space it takes up on the page.
03/06/2008 21:43:14 ‹Hill Giant› Goodelfas
03/06/2008 21:43:17 ‹Pete› James: Would you actually edit Stephen King? No one else has for 10 years.
03/06/2008 21:43:21 ‹Zaister› cna't sy, I'm not American :)
03/06/2008 21:43:30 * Martin Scorsese changes his/her nickname to Rambling Scribe
03/06/2008 21:43:35 * cappadocius curses furriners and goes to bed.
03/06/2008 21:43:39 ‹cappadocius› curse you, furriners!
03/06/2008 21:43:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Pete, and look at the result :-/
03/06/2008 21:43:48 ‹Urza› Pete, and that's why all of his recent books have been terrible
03/06/2008 21:43:52 ‹Zaister› :)
03/06/2008 21:44:02 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I suspect they kept the carrion crawler because it's 100% invented for D&D and it's VERY familiar and it's VERY unique looking.
03/06/2008 21:44:05 ‹Pete› Exactly!
03/06/2008 21:44:09 ‹Pygon› Hi my name is Stephen King, and I like to write stories about monsters in closets. I had an idea about a goblin...
03/06/2008 21:44:19 ‹yoda8myhead› cappa, Riddleport is detroit
03/06/2008 21:44:20 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pygon, :lol:
03/06/2008 21:44:25 ‹Urza› Pygon, lol
03/06/2008 21:44:26 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Martin Scorsese does not write RPGs. But if he wanted to, I'd publish it.
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03/06/2008 21:44:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› yoda8myhead, or St. Louis. I mean, in the Rifts universe, the arch is a ginormous gateway...:P
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03/06/2008 21:45:02 ‹Pete› Sandpont's Lot... <shudder>
03/06/2008 21:45:12 ‹Sinister Lilith› heathansson! :werewolf:
03/06/2008 21:45:13 ‹Daigle› Heathy!
03/06/2008 21:45:20 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> I probably would not edit Stephen King. He knows more about writing than I do, and more about writing than anyone in this chat room or on our messageboards. See "On Writing" for proof.
03/06/2008 21:45:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› :werewolf:
03/06/2008 21:45:23 ‹heathansson› sup, people?
03/06/2008 21:45:25 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah, Lilith, it leads to hell. I know. I grew up in Missouri
03/06/2008 21:45:37 ‹Daigle› Good book!
03/06/2008 21:45:48 ‹Pete› Yo Heath
03/06/2008 21:46:01 ‹heathansson› Hey!
03/06/2008 21:46:12 ‹David› hi heathansson!
03/06/2008 21:46:19 ‹heathansson› hey dude!
03/06/2008 21:46:20 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hey! There's a kobold cleaver emoticon now!
03/06/2008 21:46:31 ‹Zaister› cruel
03/06/2008 21:46:38 ‹Absinth› lol
03/06/2008 21:46:39 ‹Russ› ANY author can use review of what they've written. No matter how good.
03/06/2008 21:46:48 ‹yoda8myhead› undefined?
03/06/2008 21:46:51 ‹yoda8myhead› hey!
03/06/2008 21:46:54 ‹heathansson› My neighbor got an egg sac of baby mantises to assassinate all the bugs in his back yard.
03/06/2008 21:46:58 ‹yoda8myhead› it won't let me click the chainsaw
03/06/2008 21:47:02 ‹Mothman› Hey Heath - how did I kill the DM?
03/06/2008 21:47:03 ‹yoda8myhead› :chainsaw:
03/06/2008 21:47:08 ‹Daigle› Nice! I love mantis pods
03/06/2008 21:47:33 ‹heathansson› LOL!!! You gave the horse what's what.
03/06/2008 21:47:45 ‹Samwise› bug on bug warfare
03/06/2008 21:47:45 ‹Pete› Jason: Do you edit your own stuff or have someone else do it?
03/06/2008 21:47:48 ‹heathansson› I never seen a mantis pod before. It's cool.
03/06/2008 21:47:54 ‹Absinth› Heath, won't he change his bug problem for a mantis problem then?
03/06/2008 21:48:08 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Stephen King would be the first to say that the editor's changes to the words make those words better. he says as much in most of his forewords to his books, actually.
03/06/2008 21:48:16 ‹Hill Giant› The weasels will take care of the mantises...
03/06/2008 21:48:20 ‹heathansson› Naah....mantises don't messs with people.
03/06/2008 21:48:21 ‹Sir Wulf› the mantises will wander off when the bugs thin out.
03/06/2008 21:48:22 ‹James Jacobs› Jason is gone. And you'd better BELIEVE we edit his words before they see the light of day!
03/06/2008 21:48:30 ‹Daigle› Absinth, the mantises will not eat the plants or both people
03/06/2008 21:48:31 ‹heathansson› Or go after food in your house.
03/06/2008 21:48:37 * Sharoth joins Main
03/06/2008 21:48:38 ‹Zaister› hehe
03/06/2008 21:48:40 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, editors are my friends. :)
03/06/2008 21:48:43 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sharoth! :woot:
03/06/2008 21:48:45 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sharoth!
03/06/2008 21:48:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Smurf
03/06/2008 21:48:57 ‹Sir Wulf› Of course, you don't have to edit Nick Logue's stuff anymore...
03/06/2008 21:48:59 ‹heathansson› I think it's hard to edit your own work.
03/06/2008 21:48:59 ‹Mothman› Hi Sharoth
03/06/2008 21:49:01 ‹Sharoth› ~looks around~ Uh oh! Heathy is here! ~runs~
03/06/2008 21:49:04 ‹Sinister Lilith› Smurftastic!
03/06/2008 21:49:05 ‹Sharoth› Hey everyone!
03/06/2008 21:49:10 ‹Russ› A lot of writers in various fields seem to succumb to "I'm famous, so my excrement doesn't offend"
03/06/2008 21:49:11 ‹James Jacobs› It's close to impossible to edit your own work, acutally.
03/06/2008 21:49:11 ‹heathansson› Run b&+%*!
03/06/2008 21:49:14 ‹Hill Giant› Editors are greate (except whoever changed 'career' to 'careen' in W3)
03/06/2008 21:49:17 ‹heathansson› Just kidding.
03/06/2008 21:49:17 ‹Absinth› Ahh, okay. We don't have mantis (what's the plural?) in Germany, so I don't know...
03/06/2008 21:49:24 ‹Samwise› James>i read his book on writing, i am surprised at how much i identify things his says about editing text down when i read certain things now
03/06/2008 21:49:32 ‹Russ› HG> that was probably someone in layout :)
03/06/2008 21:49:37 ‹Sharoth› ~runs from the were-poodle in a speed-o~
03/06/2008 21:49:40 ‹James Jacobs› You become a better writer by being an editor, and as a result, I suspect that your writing doesn't need as much editorial work, but it still needs to be edited by someone else.
03/06/2008 21:49:52 ‹Zaister› Absinth, I think we do, they are "Gottesanbeterinnen"
03/06/2008 21:50:01 ‹heathansson› I did a little on the highschool newspaper. You know what you're trying to say, so that clouds what your words say.
03/06/2008 21:50:05 ‹heathansson› To the reader.
03/06/2008 21:50:06 ‹Sir Wulf› It's easy to edit your own work. Just put it aside for a couple of years and then look at it. "Geez! Who wrote this and put my name on it?"
03/06/2008 21:50:16 ‹Pete› If I'm editing my own stuff I'll put it in a box for a couple days and leave it alone. Then read it fresh. Unfortunatly you probably don't have time for that.
03/06/2008 21:50:27 ‹Sharoth› ~laughs~ Good one, Sir Wulf!
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03/06/2008 21:50:36 ‹yoda8myhead› James, do you do actually writing at hte office (or does anyone, for that matter, or just publishing/editorial stuff with writing exclusively on your own time?
03/06/2008 21:50:38 ‹James Jacobs› Sir Wulf> that is indeed the best way to edit your own work. Absolutely.
03/06/2008 21:50:39 ‹Sharoth› Hello Charles!
03/06/2008 21:50:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› It only takes me a week to forget everything I wrote, then I can edit it and rewrite it. Just ask Daigle.
03/06/2008 21:50:52 ‹Charles Evans› Ack Bad time out.
03/06/2008 21:50:53 ‹Daigle› I like going back to things I wrote months and years earlier
03/06/2008 21:51:02 ‹Absinth› Zaister, I know, but can you find these outdoors? I never saw one, only in pet shops...
03/06/2008 21:51:05 ‹heathansson› I don't know what mantis is plural; manti?
03/06/2008 21:51:05 ‹Daigle› Ha!
03/06/2008 21:51:13 ‹Daigle› That was funny Craig!
03/06/2008 21:51:19 ‹Daigle› Great fix too!
03/06/2008 21:51:21 ‹Zaister› Absinth, can't say, I live in the city
03/06/2008 21:51:23 ‹Sir Wulf› Some of us have the advantage of being absentminded...
03/06/2008 21:51:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› Thanks!
03/06/2008 21:51:27 ‹heathansson› Yeah, I had a mantis on my pumpkin patch in Florida.
03/06/2008 21:51:28 ‹Charles Evans› Sharoth: Was it you or Kassil I saw edging away from a guillotine on the Pettite thread?
03/06/2008 21:51:30 ‹Pete› but I find it hard enough to focus on one thing. Have no idea how you juggle 6 or 7 or however many you have going at once.
03/06/2008 21:51:30 ‹Charles Evans› :)
03/06/2008 21:51:41 ‹Sharoth› ~gulps~ Me!
03/06/2008 21:51:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I generally do writing for freelance at the office since it's more organized here. I haven't actually WRITTEN anything really since Burnt Offerings... sort of. I've actually had to re-write some relatively significant parts of most of the adventures that have appeared in Pathifnder, actually...
03/06/2008 21:51:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete, it's like juggling sharp knives.
03/06/2008 21:51:52 ‹heathansson› They'll climb on your arm, take lil pieces of meat from you.
03/06/2008 21:52:04 ‹Russ› James has a really friendly contract from Paizo!
03/06/2008 21:52:08 ‹James Jacobs› We use mantises as our plural. Mantids is also legit.
03/06/2008 21:52:16 ‹Charles Evans› Sharoth: I live in the UK.... I support Pett. :chainsaw:......
03/06/2008 21:52:23 ‹Sharoth› ~RUNS~
03/06/2008 21:52:29 ‹Russ› (that sort of thing can lead to your paycheck payer owning your work)
03/06/2008 21:52:37 ‹David› heathansson, sure you say ones stalking you but never learn the plural to prepare for multiple praying mantis
03/06/2008 21:52:39 ‹Sharoth› ~screams as I am cut in half~
03/06/2008 21:52:44 ‹Absinth› Zaister, same here. But I grew up in a small village surrounded by forests and meadows and so on and I never saw a mantis ever. And I was a huge bug collector as a child...:)
03/06/2008 21:52:52 ‹Zaister› ah :)
03/06/2008 21:52:55 ‹Charles Evans› Long live the revolution!
03/06/2008 21:52:57 ‹yoda8myhead› so the other editors there do the same? Mike and Wes, etc?
03/06/2008 21:52:58 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG closing shop
03/06/2008 21:53:04 ‹Mothman› James: Under what sort of circumstances would you need to rewrite significant parts of the adventures (given the guys you've got writing them, Id assume its not simply that they're badly written...)?
03/06/2008 21:53:11 ‹Daigle› Later HG
03/06/2008 21:53:14 ‹heathansson› heh heh....I saw that petit revolution; went with it.
03/06/2008 21:53:16 ‹Charles Evans› Ummm. Could someone please dispel his regeneration spell.... :)
03/06/2008 21:53:30 ‹Zaister› Mothman, I guess for continuity's sake
03/06/2008 21:53:55 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Mike does most of his writing either at home or at the library. Wes does most of his at home.
03/06/2008 21:53:59 ‹Sharoth› ~my form starts melting into a puddle of water~
03/06/2008 21:54:06 ‹heathansson› I caught black widows a couple times. Kids don't try this at home!!!
03/06/2008 21:54:10 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> You'd be surprised, I think...
03/06/2008 21:54:13 ‹Charles Evans› Nooo! He was a simulacrum.
03/06/2008 21:54:21 ‹yoda8myhead› I hadn't realized that writing by Paizo employees was freelance. I assumed it was just part of your job description to author a book or two a year
03/06/2008 21:54:23 ‹Charles Evans› :pissed:
03/06/2008 21:54:36 ‹Charles Evans› I'll get you next time, Sharoth.
03/06/2008 21:54:51 ‹Russ› Speaking of art orders going awry (not that we were), I have rarely seen art orders more off from the text than they were in Fiendish Codex II :) (the Hells one)
03/06/2008 21:54:53 ‹James Jacobs› Mostly... it's because I see the entire AP as a whole, but each writer only sees 1/6 of it. If something changes in part 2, that has ripple effects that cause all sorts of problems later on, for example.
03/06/2008 21:55:00 ‹Sharoth› ~evil laughter from a distance~ In your dreams, mortal!
03/06/2008 21:55:09 ‹yoda8myhead› heathansson, I am quite afraid of spiders, mainly because of the existence of black widows and brown recluses specifically
03/06/2008 21:55:11 ‹James Jacobs› Also... sometimes writers forget to include crucial parts of the adventure path in their adventure.
03/06/2008 21:55:17 ‹Pete› Continuity Police!
03/06/2008 21:55:32 ‹Mothman› James, Zaister - yeah, I figured it was along those lines...
03/06/2008 21:55:44 ‹James Jacobs› If there's time, I return the adventure to the writer and make him/her write the missing text. There hasn't been time to do that for many, many months, alas.
03/06/2008 21:55:58 ‹Pygon› eek
03/06/2008 21:56:00 ‹Sharoth› ~grins~ I wonder why, James!
03/06/2008 21:56:04 ‹Mothman› JAmes: Ha! Can you spill the dirt on anything really important that was forgotten? (not mentioneing any names...)
03/06/2008 21:56:12 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Nope; any actual design we do for ourselves has to basically be done "off the clock," and it pays freelance bucks.
03/06/2008 21:56:15 ‹Charles Evans› Sharoth.... Oh dear... did you just stray into dreams :twisted:.... :cthulhu::dragon::cthulhu:= :dragon:->:ohnoes:
03/06/2008 21:56:19 ‹Samwise› Russ>what about the art for the pregens in keep on the shadowfell?
03/06/2008 21:56:20 ‹David› no mention names!
03/06/2008 21:56:24 ‹heathansson› Black widow's aren't so aggressive, but those brown recluses are bad news.
03/06/2008 21:56:32 ‹heathansson› They'll go after you.
03/06/2008 21:56:46 ‹yoda8myhead› mothman, I think we can deduce who those names are by what adventure it's from
03/06/2008 21:56:56 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> I'd rather not, to be honest.
03/06/2008 21:56:57 ‹Russ› Sam> I haven't paid 30 bucks for a crappy module yet, so I have no idea about Shadowfell
03/06/2008 21:56:59 ‹Mothman› yoda: yes
03/06/2008 21:57:09 ‹Mothman› James: That's fair enough
03/06/2008 21:57:23 ‹heathansson› Most spiders aren't so bad, though.
03/06/2008 21:57:24 ‹Samwise› Russ>none of the pc art is armed the way the pc sheet indicates ;)
03/06/2008 21:57:35 ‹Samwise› Russ>they got the races right though! :-P
03/06/2008 21:57:36 ‹Sir Wulf› Russ, I've heard that Shadowfell isn't crappy at all. Mediocrity is the term that fit.
03/06/2008 21:57:43 ‹Zaister› heh
03/06/2008 21:57:43 ‹Absinth› Heath, good that I just got up. Otherwise your posts would cause me nightmares...:)
03/06/2008 21:57:48 ‹James Jacobs› I have had to rewrite parts of EVERY adventure though. It's not at all unusual. It's part of the nature of the beast of an adventure path, really.
03/06/2008 21:57:58 ‹Mothman› I like spiders ... had to kill a red back the other day though
03/06/2008 21:58:06 ‹Russ› Wulf> With as many great mods as I have on my shelf, mediocre equates to crappy. And I _have_ read it, during the Playtest.
03/06/2008 21:58:07 ‹Pete› I'm sure the modules not so much
03/06/2008 21:58:31 * HG closing shop has closed shop
03/06/2008 21:58:35 ‹HG closing shop› night, all!
03/06/2008 21:58:43 ‹Daigle› Night man!
03/06/2008 21:58:43 ‹Blazej› Night HG closing shop.
03/06/2008 21:58:44 ‹Absinth› Night, HG!
03/06/2008 21:58:45 ‹David› nighy!
03/06/2008 21:58:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Hill Giant!
03/06/2008 21:58:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Did you have to do the same for the Dungeon APs?
03/06/2008 21:58:49 ‹heathansson› I don't know too much about Aussie spiders, or anything. There is a turtle from down there that does cloacal breathing that we did CT's of to study.
03/06/2008 21:58:52 ‹Sinister Lilith› Night HG! :glomp:
03/06/2008 21:58:55 ‹Urza› My money is on Greg Vaughan forgetting the encounter with Karzoug at the end! :)
03/06/2008 21:58:56 ‹Sir Wulf› G'night HG!
03/06/2008 21:58:56 ‹Sharoth› Good night, Hill Giant.
03/06/2008 21:59:02 ‹heathansson› NITEY NITE!
03/06/2008 21:59:17 ‹James Jacobs› Modules are self-contained. The author doesn't have to guess what others are doing, and as a result they don't have that problem. That said... back in my Dungeon days... well, let's just say that there are a few adventures that had some VERY extensive rewrites.
03/06/2008 21:59:18 ‹Absinth› Urza, lol
03/06/2008 21:59:21 ‹David› Urza, ha!
03/06/2008 21:59:33 * Pete quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 21:59:38 * HG closing shop quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 21:59:40 ‹Zaister› who came up with the title "Wanton in Nature's Pagan Ways"? an what does it mean? waht is "pagan" supposed to mean in the context famtasy religious culuture?
03/06/2008 22:00:01 ‹Zaister› I guess it was Pe
03/06/2008 22:03:28 ‹Daigle› Howdy Captramses!
03/06/2008 22:03:32 * Charles Evans nods to captramses.
03/06/2008 22:03:35 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› Howdy all
03/06/2008 22:03:41 ‹Zaister› Tyralandi day?
03/06/2008 22:03:41 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, Gninjas. On hire from Master Mike.
03/06/2008 22:03:49 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> We name all the modules and all the AP adventueres, usually because we have to solicit them to the book trade long before they are assigned to an author.
03/06/2008 22:03:51 ‹Pete› Wes could do the one set in the Goth country :-)
03/06/2008 22:04:02 ‹Urza› James, when are we going to see the Forsaken Tunnel that was left unmapped and unused but got a sidebar about another product continuing it D1?
03/06/2008 22:04:07 ‹James Jacobs› I'd rather shepherd the setting, to be honest. But Editing is fun too!
22:04:23 ‹James Jacobs› TYRALANDI DAY! <sigh>
03/06/2008 22:04:38 ‹Absinth› Zaister: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...beterin Seems like mantises can only be found in southern germany...
03/06/2008 22:04:39 ‹James Jacobs› Said day won't be before Friday the 13th, that's for sure.
03/06/2008 22:04:50 ‹Zaister› Absinth, ah!
03/06/2008 22:04:51 ‹James Jacobs› My current guess? After Gen Con.
03/06/2008 22:04:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete, Ustalav?
03/06/2008 22:04:52 * yoda8myhead doesn't know the reference
03/06/2008 22:05:10 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Dunno.
03/06/2008 22:05:16 ‹Sinister Lilith› yoda8myhead doesn't know Tyralandi? :ohnoes:
03/06/2008 22:05:22 ‹Zaister› so, not in D1.5
03/06/2008 22:05:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: What about a test-run of the latest expansion for theArkham Horror board game, Kingsport Dreams if Erik is busy?
03/06/2008 22:05:26 ‹yoda8myhead› i guess not
03/06/2008 22:05:30 ‹James Jacobs› The forsaken tunnel might end up in an adventure some day. Might already BE in a module for all I know. Not sure yet.
03/06/2008 22:05:33 ‹Urza› yoda... are you for real?
03/06/2008 22:05:33 ‹Mothman› You should throw in some obscure homage to Tyralandi to Pathfinder...
03/06/2008 22:05:33 ‹yoda8myhead› though it's late here
03/06/2008 22:05:43 ‹Sinister Lilith› yoda8myhead, I'll dig up the linky for you...
03/06/2008 22:05:48 * Sinister Lilith gets a shovel.
03/06/2008 22:05:55 ‹Pete› Yes, Ustalav. Wes mentioned that was his favorite at Paizocon.
03/06/2008 22:05:57 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Maybe...
03/06/2008 22:06:06 ‹Zaister› there are two Tyralandis actually :)
03/06/2008 22:06:16 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> There are indeed two Tyralandis.
03/06/2008 22:06:25 ‹Charles Evans› :w00t: :cthulhu: goodness in the Paizo offices....
03/06/2008 22:06:42 ‹James Jacobs› I've used that name enough. BUT: There's kind of a Tyralandi (from Scuttlecove) hommage in Riddleport... the highpriestess of Calistria there is a tiefling.
03/06/2008 22:06:43 ‹yoda8myhead› is it a lovecraft thing?
03/06/2008 22:07:04 ‹Sinister Lilith› yoda8myhead: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...iScrimm
03/06/2008 22:07:06 ‹Urza› the way Seltyiel background started i was expecting him to end up likeTyralandi
03/06/2008 22:07:11 ‹James Jacobs› Tyralandi's the name of my character in the Age of Worms game Erik Mona is running but that is currently on hiatus. She's based on the iconic cleric from Dungeon.
03/06/2008 22:07:25 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: I used the name for a character in "Porphyry House Horror."
03/06/2008 22:07:38 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: Kingsport Dreams is the latest expansion due out for FFG's The Arkham Horror, so yes it is that genre.
03/06/2008 22:08:12 ‹yoda8myhead› ah, I see now
03/06/2008 22:08:28 ‹Sinister Lilith› AND: Full cover image of Tyralandi Scrimm, from her Dungeon days. http://namesjames.deviantart.c...4156546
03/06/2008 22:08:32 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... the Porphyry House Tyralandi was first, so I guess technically I named my Age of Worms character after her. Because it was time to start playing and introduce my character and I still hadn't decided on a name so I cheated and self-plagarized.
03/06/2008 22:08:46 ‹James Jacobs› She's so dreamy! <swoon>
03/06/2008 22:08:49 ‹Mothman› Ha! There you go, too obscure for me apparently...
03/06/2008 22:08:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› :swoon:
03/06/2008 22:09:23 ‹Zaister› she's cool!
03/06/2008 22:09:26 ‹Mothman› The artwork of (the Scuttlecove) Tyralandi in Serpents of Scuttlecove was very nice. Pity there wasnt more of it....
03/06/2008 22:09:38 ‹Zaister› yeah :)
03/06/2008 22:09:51 ‹Urza› i'm partial to the wizardess dungeon iconic myself :P
03/06/2008 22:09:56 ‹heathansson› So......you like Tyralandi, huh? Mwahahahahaaaaaaa!
03/06/2008 22:10:03 ‹James Jacobs› Her Age of Worms thing is that she was stillborn and her mother died in childbirth and her father had a creepy Rhenee cleric raise dead Tyralandi (he could only afford one of them).
03/06/2008 22:10:09 * yoda8myhead notes that Tyra Banks shoots her show at his company's tv studio
03/06/2008 22:10:11 ‹James Jacobs› So I bumped down her Con score by 1 to account for that.
03/06/2008 22:10:36 ‹James Jacobs› And then she took a bunch of the Tomb-born feats from Libris Mortis so she heals from negative energy and gets hurt by positive energy, etc.
03/06/2008 22:10:38 ‹Zaister› that was a cool backstory :)
03/06/2008 22:10:52 ‹Pygon› I wonder if a clean print of the cover for #150 is available...
03/06/2008 22:11:07 ‹James Jacobs› And now she's a cleric of Wee Jas/Binder
22:11:27 ‹Zaister› I stole your Apostle PrC for my AoW campaign :)
03/06/2008 22:11:31 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks, Zaister! :)
03/06/2008 22:11:35 ‹yoda8myhead› James, how many PrC's/base classes should we expect in the Campaign Setting?
03/06/2008 22:11:35 ‹James Jacobs› Cool!
03/06/2008 22:11:43 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> I think 5.
03/06/2008 22:11:49 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I wonder how she would have coped with facing Kyuss, being a Tomb-born. Would that have adversely affected her?
03/06/2008 22:11:53 ‹James Jacobs› 5 prestige classes in the Hardcover campaign setting.
03/06/2008 22:12:02 ‹Pygon› sweet
03/06/2008 22:12:02 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Actaully... it would have helped her.
03/06/2008 22:12:08 ‹yoda8myhead› any base classes?
03/06/2008 22:12:10 ‹Zaister› It was too good to pass on when one of my players decided wo play a Wee jas cleric
03/06/2008 22:12:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Hellknight?
03/06/2008 22:12:31 ‹Charles Evans› (libris mortis is another book I do not have.)
03/06/2008 22:12:38 ‹Charles Evans› (limited budget)
03/06/2008 22:12:43 ‹David› no hellknight or pathfinder base classes ever please!
03/06/2008 22:12:47 ‹James Jacobs› I built the character to playtest Erik's adventure. She was up and running before we got the 2nd adventure in. So by the time Jesse Decker's installment came in and the swords of Kyuss were there doing their big negative energy bursts... MWA HAHAHAHAAHAH!
03/06/2008 22:12:50 ‹Sharoth› Libris Mortis is a very good book. Well worth buying.
03/06/2008 22:12:55 ‹yoda8myhead› how much editorial control goes into the creation of Golarion-specific crunchy bits like Sean Reynolds' PrCs?
03/06/2008 22:12:56 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> No base classes.
03/06/2008 22:13:00 ‹Sinister Lilith› Libris is quite god.
03/06/2008 22:13:03 ‹Pete› libris mortis is one of the better splats IMHO, especially for a DM
03/06/2008 22:13:10 ‹James Jacobs› Hellknights will probably not get any love until Pathfinder 19 or 20 or thereabouts.
03/06/2008 22:13:11 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, too bad, it was one of the few 3.5 books worth it's price tag
03/06/2008 22:13:14 ‹Zaister› I wonder what kind of class combination Eando Kline is, he seems to be able to do anything :)
03/06/2008 22:13:15 ‹Pete› that and BoVD
03/06/2008 22:13:19 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete: Agree. Swarm form is tasty. :twisted:
03/06/2008 22:13:23 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> he's mostly bard
03/06/2008 22:13:33 ‹Zaister› i guessed so
03/06/2008 22:13:47 ‹Zaister› but he never uses his perfom skill :)
03/06/2008 22:13:48 ‹yoda8myhead› cause Bards are the best class
03/06/2008 22:13:58 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
03/06/2008 22:14:01 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete: Mummy King Lizardfolk Druid with undead viper swarm form. Fun. :)
03/06/2008 22:14:03 ‹James Jacobs› David> I suspect you'll get your wish. I think that both hellknights and pathfinders are best served by multiple prestige classes, kind of like how the FR did the Harpers.
03/06/2008 22:14:21 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: I thought there wasa prestige class in Savagae species that could allow you to turn into a swarm?
03/06/2008 22:14:28 ‹yoda8myhead› a different PrC for each Order of Hellknight type thing?
03/06/2008 22:14:46 ‹Sinister Lilith› Charles Evans, I don't have Savage Species, so I'm not sure. The one in Libris Mortis was specifically for undead though.
03/06/2008 22:14:54 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> He uses his perform skill All The Time! Perform (oratory). Which includes storytelling.
03/06/2008 22:14:58 ‹Urza› james, hehe they didn't do that until 3.5 though.. after getting yelled at for having their Harper prestige class represented by a character who hated magic and wasn't even a harper anymore :)
03/06/2008 22:15:01 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Perhaps.
03/06/2008 22:15:07 ‹Zaister› ah! ok that makes sense :)
03/06/2008 22:15:11 ‹Charles Evans› Sinsiter Lilith: Ah. The one I am thinking of is for shapeshifters....
03/06/2008 22:15:26 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> exactly.
03/06/2008 22:15:28 ‹Sinister Lilith› Charles Evans, yeah, the Swarm Form was a template.
03/06/2008 22:15:44 ‹David› yay!
03/06/2008 22:15:54 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: although there may have been further insect related prestige classes in the FR underdark book.
03/06/2008 22:15:57 ‹Pete› We've got a Master of Radiance in one of my campaigns out of Libris Mortis. lots of fun.
03/06/2008 22:16:06 ‹Sinister Lilith› Charles Evans, there was.
03/06/2008 22:16:09 ‹Zaister› theres an arachnomancer there
03/06/2008 22:16:12 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah. There's gonna be different Pathfinder prestige classes and different Hellknight prestige classes, I'd guess. We MIGHT do something like an alternate class ability thing. But I doubt it. I suspect prestige classes will be the way to go.
03/06/2008 22:16:16 ‹Pete› He's a Priest of Sylvania, Mistress of Light
03/06/2008 22:16:31 ‹Pete› Sylvania Brings Great Things To Light!
03/06/2008 22:16:34 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, I'd like substitute levels myself...but I might get voted out on that one.
03/06/2008 22:16:35 * Charles Evans has to go....
03/06/2008 22:16:42 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight everyone...
03/06/2008 22:16:43 ‹James Jacobs› Part of the reason we've delayed doing much with prestige classes, of course, is that we weren't sure what rules edition we were gonna use for about half a year there...
03/06/2008 22:16:46 ‹Pygon› good night Charles
03/06/2008 22:16:51 * Charles Evans collects his :cthulhu:s
03/06/2008 22:17:05 * Charles Evans waves goodnight to Sharoth....
03/06/2008 22:17:06 ‹David› night charles
03/06/2008 22:17:14 ‹yoda8myhead› how long was the window between the final rules decision and the announcement of PRPG?
03/06/2008 22:17:32 ‹James Jacobs› substitution levels aren't open, alas.
03/06/2008 22:17:32 ‹heathansson› You need a crazy-ass Cthulhu-freak-mytho monster summoning prestige class.
03/06/2008 22:17:38 * Charles Evans says goonight to everyone else & departs.
03/06/2008 22:17:39 ‹Urza› if you ask me though, the hippo riders of korvosa should have a prestige class that anyone can take to grant them the skills/feats they need to be good hippo riders :)
03/06/2008 22:17:43 * Charles Evans quit
03/06/2008 22:17:53 ‹Zaister› lol hippo riders
03/06/2008 22:18:09 ‹James Jacobs› There's a KIND of substitution level mechanic in Unearthed Arcana that IS open... we used it in the Lamashtu article. But I'm not too fond of those rules.
03/06/2008 22:18:12 ‹heathansson› hippo as in horse in greek, or hippopotamus?
03/06/2008 22:18:43 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, why is that James Jacobs?
03/06/2008 22:18:49 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> What do you mean? How long did it take us to decide to start working on PFRPG after we made the final decision regarding 3.5 vs. 4th?
03/06/2008 22:18:54 ‹Sinister Lilith› heathansson, hippogriff. As in what the Sable Company rides. :P
03/06/2008 22:18:59 ‹yoda8myhead› I wish that the Lamashtu levels were a PrC instead
03/06/2008 22:19:05 ‹heathansson› duuh...
03/06/2008 22:19:13 ‹Urza› thankyou Lilith.. i was had a brainfart :)
03/06/2008 22:19:16 ‹Sinister Lilith› Eh, I've seen enough Prestige Classes to choke a horse.
03/06/2008 22:19:19 ‹Mothman› Although I think Korvosa should have hippopatamus riders
03/06/2008 22:19:31 ‹Sinister Lilith› A half dragon half farspawn spawn of Kyuss horse even.
03/06/2008 22:19:32 ‹yoda8myhead› I just mean, how long from the time you made the final call on the rules choice was it until you announced it?
03/06/2008 22:19:33 ‹heathansson› I thought it was a joke I missed.
03/06/2008 22:19:45 * David quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:19:45 ‹Sinister Lilith› I want prestige classes to be prestigious, dammit! :P
03/06/2008 22:19:48 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› I think that I would like to see Class Varients along side Prestige classes myself
03/06/2008 22:19:50 ‹Sir Wulf› I don't know: I wouldn't want someone charging me on a pissed-off hippopotamus.
03/06/2008 22:19:52 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Yeah, the Sable Company could have CERTAINLY used a prestige class... but that was in the LIMBO ZONE and we didn't want to do much work on prestige classes when we might have to throw all that out in a few months...
03/06/2008 22:19:55 ‹heathansson› Hippos kill more folk on the Nile than crocs do. They're dangersome.
03/06/2008 22:20:05 ‹Zaister› I think Alternate Class Features are the end result of an evolution that startetd with class alternatives in UA then went to substituion levles and then to the ACF starting in PH2
03/06/2008 22:20:07 ‹heathansson› They don't play, Jake.
03/06/2008 22:20:09 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> I do too, honestly. But whatever. Live and learn.
03/06/2008 22:20:38 ‹Pete› Lilith: I'm actually limiting the prestige classes anymore. Too much feature creep in all of them. My poor DM brain can't track it all.
03/06/2008 22:20:39 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I just don't like tinkering with the base classes. It devaules them.
03/06/2008 22:20:50 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, Ah...I see.
03/06/2008 22:20:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hippos also kill crocs just for the hell of it.
03/06/2008 22:21:06 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› James Jacobs. I realize that this may be in the future somewhere but what are the chances of seeing varients to the standard classes?
03/06/2008 22:21:24 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete, Same. That's why I added class lists to DM Tools. :P
03/06/2008 22:21:24 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› Ranger and Then Urban Ranger persay
03/06/2008 22:21:50 ‹Sir Wulf› James Jacobs, we have a consensus: You have to put hippos in!
03/06/2008 22:21:50 ‹Urza› James, yeap was just an example of a role that would have been good for a prestige class, we got a nifty feat out of it though :)
03/06/2008 22:21:54 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> There pretty much was no delay. Once we decided to stick with 3.5, we HAD to do PFRPG since the core books for our system were on deathwatch.
03/06/2008 22:22:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Scribe, they're very territorial, those hippos. Rip boats to shreds
03/06/2008 22:22:18 ‹Sir Wulf› Then the dreaded "Hippo Hustler" PRC
03/06/2008 22:22:30 * Urza groans
03/06/2008 22:22:37 ‹Urza› hippo.. the new word of the day
03/06/2008 22:22:54 ‹Daigle› Man...you wander off for a few minutes...
03/06/2008 22:23:02 ‹James Jacobs› Capt> We did some variants to the standard classes in the gazetteer. Those variants will be reprinted in the Hardcover. That'll probably be it, honestly. And once we hit PFRPG... who knows?
03/06/2008 22:23:06 * yoda8myhead has memories of PeeWee's Playhouse
22:23:15 ‹heathansson› Woah....a tauric hippopotamus/seatroll would jack your life up, kid.
03/06/2008 22:23:23 ‹James Jacobs› I don't think that there's really a need for an "Urban Ranger," actaully.
03/06/2008 22:23:23 * Sir Wulf suspects that they won't let him out without a keeper next time...
03/06/2008 22:23:28 ‹Sharoth› Blame me! Heathy just thinks I am a Hippo with wings.
03/06/2008 22:23:33 ‹James Jacobs› I call "Urban Rangers" rogues with a few ranger levels.
03/06/2008 22:23:34 * KnightErrantJR joins Main
03/06/2008 22:23:44 ‹heathansson› Bizarro!!!
03/06/2008 22:23:44 ‹Daigle› Howdy KNight!
03/06/2008 22:23:48 ‹Sinister Lilith› KnightErrantJR! :glomp:
03/06/2008 22:23:51 ‹Sharoth› Hey there Knight!
03/06/2008 22:23:59 ‹Sir Wulf› Don't they hang out on streetcorners?
03/06/2008 22:24:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey all
03/06/2008 22:24:08 ‹Sir Wulf› Hello!
03/06/2008 22:24:17 ‹Urza› the 3P ranger seems work pretty well as an urban ranger with the new terrian ability if you ask me
03/06/2008 22:24:30 ‹heathansson› I never grokked the urban ranger much.
03/06/2008 22:25:04 ‹yoda8myhead› I agree Urza
03/06/2008 22:25:16 ‹yoda8myhead› maybe add Gather Information as a Class Skill and you're set
03/06/2008 22:25:18 ‹Mothman› I always laugh when I see that "I'm curious if anyone else is having romantic relationships with NPCs" thread on Paizo...
03/06/2008 22:25:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nope, my image of "the" ranger was always Aragorn or Elrond's sons . . .
03/06/2008 22:25:58 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> That thread rocks!
03/06/2008 22:26:03 ‹Sir Wulf› My players: Relationships - Yes Romantic - Not Hardly.
03/06/2008 22:26:07 ‹heathansson› Heh heh....romance=dungeonmaster's deux ex machina
03/06/2008 22:26:12 ‹James Jacobs› Makes me happy to see players get that into the game.
03/06/2008 22:26:15 ‹Urza› yoda8myhead, Gather Info is in Diplomacy now so that doesn't work :)
03/06/2008 22:26:16 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› In my mind an Urban Ranger can do the sames things as a Ranger only is more efficient in an Urban Environment...ala Tom Brown.
03/06/2008 22:26:40 ‹heathansson› They kidnapped my girl! Now I GOTTA go straight through this dungeon without resting.
03/06/2008 22:26:43 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› but tht is one mans opinion
03/06/2008 22:26:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Urza, oh yeah. Well then give them Diplomacy as a CS
03/06/2008 22:26:47 ‹Pete› To me an Urban Ranger is an oxymoron
03/06/2008 22:27:06 ‹Sir Wulf› Although the lecherous dark elf that claimed Shayless as his girl has had a rough time of it.
03/06/2008 22:27:22 ‹James Jacobs› Did he get beat up by a commoner?
03/06/2008 22:27:40 ‹Mothman› James, yeah its cool, the title just makes me laugh
03/06/2008 22:28:00 ‹Sir Wulf› Twice. He was also given a souveneir flail by the ladies at the Pixie's Kitten.
03/06/2008 22:28:12 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sir Wulf, :lol:
03/06/2008 22:28:14 ‹Mothman› Heath: Yes! THey DID steal my girl and make me go into the dungeon without resting - and we still havent found her!
03/06/2008 22:28:23 ‹heathansson› heh heh...
03/06/2008 22:28:36 ‹heathansson› I'm American. We love happy endings.
03/06/2008 22:28:41 ‹Sir Wulf› When you order the "special", you leave with a signed flexible weapon.
03/06/2008 22:29:03 ‹Urza› i'm american and i love unhappy endings
03/06/2008 22:29:09 ‹James Jacobs› Sir Wulf> That is completely awesome.
03/06/2008 22:29:18 ‹heathansson› Mwahahahaha!
03/06/2008 22:29:34 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, will we ever get a "Guide to Absalom" ?
03/06/2008 22:29:46 ‹Urza› like The Mist... if you ever see that, all you need to do is watch the last 20 minutes, the rest of the movie is a waste of time :)
03/06/2008 22:29:57 ‹heathansson› Oh, Guide to Caer Maga sounds cool...
03/06/2008 22:30:32 ‹Urza› a better map of Kaer Maga would be cool *grumbles*
03/06/2008 22:30:50 * yoda8myhead senses ulterior motives from Urza
03/06/2008 22:31:03 ‹Zaister› hehe
03/06/2008 22:31:18 ‹heathansson› I get a Gangs of New York meets Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome vibe from Kaer Maga.
03/06/2008 22:31:24 * Russ quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:31:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› I try to give my players "hapily ever after," but then I have people kindnap their significant others and brainwash them into assassins.
03/06/2008 22:31:58 ‹heathansson› or gony meets mmbt and the butcher kicks mel gibson's face in vibe. Yeah.
03/06/2008 22:32:11 ‹heathansson› heh heh...
03/06/2008 22:32:22 ‹Urza› that's what you think yoda.. i have a ysamir or however it's spelled.. i like in a no Force power bubble.. you can sense nothing!
03/06/2008 22:32:48 ‹Urza› like... live.. oye.. sleep.. no maps tonight
03/06/2008 22:33:03 ‹James Jacobs› Sinister Lilith> Would a "Guide to Absalom" be cool or what? As in, http://paizo.com/pathfinder/pa...=search
03/06/2008 22:33:08 ‹James Jacobs› ;)
03/06/2008 22:33:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› So, um, since I was late, did anyone mention the "draft Steven Schend" thread yet tonight?
03/06/2008 22:33:21 ‹James Jacobs› The Mist! That was my favorite movie of 2007! Good times.
03/06/2008 22:33:34 * Zaister quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:33:34 ‹Absinth› Huh? Where did a Guide To Kaer Maga came up, Heath?
03/06/2008 22:33:44 ‹Urza› KEJ! sweet, i was hoping you'd be on
03/06/2008 22:33:46 ‹heathansson› I liked that Children of Men in 07.
03/06/2008 22:33:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Urza
03/06/2008 22:33:54 ‹James Jacobs› Children of Men was 06.
03/06/2008 22:34:02 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, Excellent. :plot:
03/06/2008 22:34:12 ‹heathansson› KMaga--there was a thread somewhere today.
03/06/2008 22:34:15 * Zaister joins Main
03/06/2008 22:34:20 ‹James Jacobs› And it was tied for best of the year with Pan's Labyrinth for me.
03/06/2008 22:34:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Years just kind of flow together for me any more
03/06/2008 22:34:56 ‹yoda8myhead› James, my top in 06 were Pan's labyrinth, the Fountain and Children of Men
03/06/2008 22:35:01 ‹heathansson› Damn. I lost a year!
03/06/2008 22:35:03 ‹Pete› eventually the decandes just flow together.. :-|
03/06/2008 22:35:23 ‹Urza› i saw The Mist for the first time like 3 days ago
03/06/2008 22:35:38 ‹heathansson› I liked that Pan's Labyrinth, but I liked CoM better. Michael Caine reminded me of my best friend at age 60 or something.
03/06/2008 22:35:38 ‹Pete› Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth - two feel good movies right there
03/06/2008 22:35:39 ‹Urza› all i kept hearing about was the ending.. but no one would spoil it
03/06/2008 22:35:41 ‹Urza› hehe
03/06/2008 22:35:42 ‹Sinister Lilith› Urza, It was interesting, eh wot?
03/06/2008 22:35:44 ‹yoda8myhead› I enjoyed the Mist a lot
03/06/2008 22:35:56 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> That sounds exactly like my top 3 of 2007, actually.
03/06/2008 22:36:06 ‹James Jacobs› Wait. I mean 2006.
03/06/2008 22:36:07 ‹Urza› Sinister Lilith, you could get away with watching the last 20 minutes and still enjoy it :)
03/06/2008 22:36:09 ‹yoda8myhead› great minds think...
03/06/2008 22:36:17 ‹Zaister› I still have to watch Pan's Labyrinth.
03/06/2008 22:36:26 ‹Zaister› Just got in on Blu-ray. now I need a player :)
03/06/2008 22:36:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› 2006 is over already?
03/06/2008 22:36:30 ‹yoda8myhead› eys Zaister, you must
03/06/2008 22:36:39 ‹heathansson› Not for me!!!
03/06/2008 22:36:41 ‹James Jacobs› My top 5 of 2007= The Mist, The Host, The Last Winter, No Country For Old Men, and There Will Be Blood.
03/06/2008 22:36:43 ‹Urza› the ending was good.. the rest.. eh.. i didn't like 3 of the actors in it and they were as bad as i thought they'd be
03/06/2008 22:36:43 ‹yoda8myhead› not for you Scribe, go back to bed, now
03/06/2008 22:36:53 ‹Zaister› I'm waiting for the next PS3 bargain offer
03/06/2008 22:36:55 ‹Captramses playing with LinuxM› After the first 20 minutes of the Mist the rest was pretty predictable
03/06/2008 22:37:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› 2006 will never die (wait, what happened in 2006?)
03/06/2008 22:37:03 ‹Urza› oh come on james.. no AvP2? lol
03/06/2008 22:37:07 ‹heathansson› I haven't seen anything this year.
03/06/2008 22:37:24 ‹James Jacobs› AVP2 was better than AVP. That's all I have to say about that.
03/06/2008 22:37:26 ‹Zaister› My top 2007 movie was Juno
03/06/2008 22:37:31 ‹heathansson› I saw like I Am Legend.
03/06/2008 22:37:40 ‹Pete› "better"
03/06/2008 22:37:45 ‹yoda8myhead› heathansson, that was last year also
03/06/2008 22:37:53 ‹Daigle› I finally saw No Country for Old Men Saturday night.
03/06/2008 22:37:55 ‹yoda8myhead› you'e a year behind
03/06/2008 22:38:03 * Daigle doesn't watch too many movies.
03/06/2008 22:38:06 ‹Sharoth› The short story "I am Legend" was much better than the movie.
03/06/2008 22:38:14 ‹Urza› james, lol yes.. that's all anyone had to say about it... AvP2 felt a lot like Freddy vs Jason though
03/06/2008 22:38:25 ‹heathansson› I just saw it on on demand.
03/06/2008 22:38:27 ‹Zaister› I usually make a point of watching all movies nominatoed for major oscars before the awards show
03/06/2008 22:38:31 * Sinister Lilith ponders some more Pathfinder questions...
03/06/2008 22:38:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think the last movie I saw in a theatre was 300...
03/06/2008 22:38:41 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs: Favorite part of AP 3 so far?
03/06/2008 22:38:51 ‹Sinister Lilith› And did you settle on AP 4 yet?
03/06/2008 22:38:58 ‹yoda8myhead› I just saw Prince Caspian, and liked it a lot more than LWW
03/06/2008 22:38:58 ‹Zaister› my last movie in a theatre was Casino Royale I think :)
03/06/2008 22:39:07 ‹Urza› short story? never read the short story for I Am Legend.. but the novella was good
03/06/2008 22:39:18 ‹heathansson› Everybody tells me that the girl from Juno is just like my wife, so I'm scared to watch it and have her go off.
03/06/2008 22:39:25 ‹Daigle› My boss brought me to Iron Man a few weeks ago.
03/06/2008 22:39:37 ‹heathansson› I wanna see the new Star Wars flick.
03/06/2008 22:39:37 ‹yoda8myhead› funny, too, cause it was my least favorite of the books
03/06/2008 22:39:40 ‹Sharoth› Ok. Novella. ~grins~ Correct my mistake, will you, Urza.
03/06/2008 22:39:42 ‹heathansson› With my kids.
03/06/2008 22:39:43 ‹Zaister› heathy: lol
03/06/2008 22:39:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm hoping to go to Prince Caspian this weekend.
03/06/2008 22:40:01 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Hmmm.... I've only just started working on AP3. In fact, I've got "Shadow in the Sky" open in another window and am working on it right now. Currently, my favorite part of Second Darkness is the giant map of a certain city Wes made... is awesome
03/06/2008 22:40:03 ‹yoda8myhead› it's good Scribe
03/06/2008 22:40:05 ‹Urza› was it a mistake? i thought you were serious about a short story :)
03/06/2008 22:40:09 ‹Zaister› I'm hoping I find time to go see Indy 4, and also Batman and James Bond later this year
03/06/2008 22:40:12 ‹Daigle› I need to see Juno just so I can see that actress in something other than Hard Candy
03/06/2008 22:40:12 ‹Sharoth› That was a good movie, Scribe.
03/06/2008 22:40:13 ‹yoda8myhead› a lot more action than in the book or first movie
03/06/2008 22:40:16 ‹James Jacobs› We won't have anything about AP4 nailed down till later this month, though.
03/06/2008 22:40:23 ‹yoda8myhead› a lot less religious heavy-handedness too
03/06/2008 22:40:25 ‹heathansson› So does the whole thing end up on a comet or what?
03/06/2008 22:40:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, given that Second Darkness is coming up, have you heard any of the flap over Ascendancy of the Last?
03/06/2008 22:40:31 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, Sweet. Gotta get past those GenCon deadlines, eh?
03/06/2008 22:40:32 ‹Zaister› Daigle; ellen Page is awesome
03/06/2008 22:40:44 ‹Sinister Lilith› KnightErrantJR, Ascendancy of the Last?
03/06/2008 22:40:52 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Friday the 13th is the DAY.
03/06/2008 22:41:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Last book of the Lady Penitent Trilogy FR novels.
03/06/2008 22:41:10 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Ascendancy of the Last?
03/06/2008 22:41:12 ‹heathansson› I wanna see the Land of the Lost with Will Farrell.
03/06/2008 22:41:25 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, is said map Celiwynvian? (or however it's spelled)
03/06/2008 22:41:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› I just found a piece of pizza I forgot I had.
03/06/2008 22:41:35 ‹Zaister› I don't want to see ANYTHING with Will Farrell. :)
03/06/2008 22:41:37 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> no
03/06/2008 22:41:44 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, :plot:
03/06/2008 22:41:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just a bit of a flap over free will and racial origins of the drow, not a big deal, but it caused a bit of a stir at Candlekeep.
03/06/2008 22:41:52 ‹Daigle› Scribe: gross!
03/06/2008 22:42:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Scribe: SCORE!!!
03/06/2008 22:42:05 ‹Sinister Lilith› Rambling Scribe, Um. Kay...:shock:
03/06/2008 22:42:06 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> No. This is actually the first I've heard of Ascendancy, really...
03/06/2008 22:42:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: Just from earlier this evening...
03/06/2008 22:42:19 ‹Sinister Lilith› Rambling Scribe, oh, that's better.
03/06/2008 22:42:21 ‹Daigle› Don't destroy my image
03/06/2008 22:42:25 ‹James Jacobs› AND: We aren't using any of the FR drow baggage at all. We can't. It's not ours to play with.
03/06/2008 22:42:27 ‹Urza› hehe James is clearly not a Forgotten Realms fan :)
03/06/2008 22:42:34 ‹Daigle› My imagination was way more amusing to me
03/06/2008 22:42:37 ‹James Jacobs› We have our own origin for the drow.
03/06/2008 22:42:46 * Zaister gets his can of "FR Begone!"
03/06/2008 22:42:56 ‹James Jacobs› Nah... I am actually quite a big fan of Forgotten Realms.
03/06/2008 22:43:05 ‹James Jacobs› I just haven't been able to keep up with it for the past year or so.
03/06/2008 22:43:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› My game group came to my house and played while I sat and typed for Mr Logue. :typerhappy::whipit: But at least they left me pizza.
03/06/2008 22:43:20 ‹heathansson› A man drow, and a woman drow kinda fall in hate, then they......and 11 months later, a baby drow hatches outta the egg.
03/06/2008 22:43:20 ‹Sinister Lilith› Rambling Scribe, awww...:aww:
03/06/2008 22:43:28 ‹Urza› james, are all the drow the elves (or their descendants) that didn't flee?
03/06/2008 22:43:30 ‹Pete› James: What other bugs besides Spiders can we expect with the Drow?
03/06/2008 22:43:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nah, I knew specific details wouldn't come up, its more about racial origins, and free will, etc.
03/06/2008 22:43:33 ‹yoda8myhead› So Scribe, which of the GenCon scenarios did you write?
03/06/2008 22:43:39 ‹Sharoth› ~looks at my box of Heroscape stuff~ Ok. It is official. I have enough Heroscape stuff. ~ a voice from my shoulder wispers "No you don't"~
03/06/2008 22:43:53 ‹yoda8myhead› Logue said lsat week in either this or the Sinister chat and I have lost where I wrote them down
03/06/2008 22:43:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› I wrote Frozen Fingers at Midnight...
03/06/2008 22:44:00 ‹yoda8myhead› cool
03/06/2008 22:44:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just thinking things seem more evil when they actually choose their path on their own and all that.
03/06/2008 22:44:04 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Nope. It's more complicated.
03/06/2008 22:44:10 ‹yoda8myhead› are you working on further stuff for him?
03/06/2008 22:44:12 ‹Rambling Scribe› Cold actually...
03/06/2008 22:44:23 ‹Urza› interesting
03/06/2008 22:44:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› I've got some sinister stuff in the pipe, and hopefully more after that.
03/06/2008 22:44:41 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Drow in Golarion aren't really associated with spiders much. They're all demon worshipers, and one of the 12 demon lords in their pantheon is the demon lord of vermin and bindings, but that's just one of 12.
03/06/2008 22:44:44 ‹yoda8myhead› yay!
03/06/2008 22:44:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› James . . . the last year has been the best year not to be caught up on FR, :shock:
03/06/2008 22:45:04 ‹Daigle› Craig is busy !
03/06/2008 22:45:07 ‹yoda8myhead› Are we goign to get info on the whole Pantheon?
03/06/2008 22:45:10 ‹Urza› james, that's ok that you haven't been keeping up with the realms the last few years.. it can all be summed up in half a page because so much of it up until spell plague didn't have any consequences
03/06/2008 22:45:12 * Russ quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:45:21 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm thinking of writing a novel this summer.
03/06/2008 22:45:33 ‹Daigle› Oh yeah?
03/06/2008 22:45:35 ‹yoda8myhead› (for Paizo?!)
03/06/2008 22:45:40 ‹Zaister› oh sounds cool. I like that departure from the default drow fluff
03/06/2008 22:45:40 ‹heathansson› Drow still matriarchal society?
03/06/2008 22:46:06 ‹Urza› *grumbles* you'd think every dragon all over a campaign setting going crazy at once would actually cause major damage
03/06/2008 22:46:06 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yeah. I AM aware of what's going on there to a certain extent... but I just don't have time to remain invested in it since I think Golarion's a bazillion times better! :)
03/06/2008 22:46:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› BTW, I got the Gaz, and really kind of liked the whole elven exodus deal, different, but still elven seeming . . .
03/06/2008 22:46:19 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nopt for Paizo (unless they want one...) Just write a novel and try to sell it to a publisher.
03/06/2008 22:46:30 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> Yes. I'm plannig on writing an article called "Demon Lords of Golarion" for Pathfinder #18.
03/06/2008 22:46:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . It certainly is now . . . ;-)
03/06/2008 22:46:39 ‹Zaister› sweet
03/06/2008 22:46:41 ‹James Jacobs› And there'll be more info about them in the Hardcover too.
03/06/2008 22:46:43 ‹Sinister Lilith› KnightErrantJR, yeah, it kinda reminds me of "if Elrond came back" kinda deal. :P
03/06/2008 22:46:45 ‹Pete› James: So Driders are going to be 1/2 drow 1/2 Dretches?
03/06/2008 22:46:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh . . . demon lord article!
03/06/2008 22:46:55 ‹yoda8myhead› no one does demons like you do, sir!
03/06/2008 22:46:56 ‹James Jacobs› heath> Yes; drow are still matriarchal.
03/06/2008 22:46:59 ‹Sinister Lilith› Yay! Demon Lords! :D
03/06/2008 22:47:02 ‹Zaister› who better to write about demon lords than James Jacobs :)
03/06/2008 22:47:17 * Sinister Lilith dubs James "Demon Editor" Jacobs.
03/06/2008 22:47:22 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Nope; driders stay driders. They're not punishments though.
03/06/2008 22:47:23 ‹Sharoth› Sweet! That is the aspect I liked the best about the Drow.
03/06/2008 22:47:57 ‹James Jacobs› My latest happy discovery Re: Demons... Jubilex is open content! And thus, is in Golarion.
03/06/2008 22:48:12 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, hooray! His squishiness returns!
03/06/2008 22:48:19 ‹Pete› James: So we might see some other interesting combinations then? Is there a list of the other 11 demons?
03/06/2008 22:48:23 ‹heathansson› Yahoo!
03/06/2008 22:48:23 ‹yoda8myhead› what OGL product was Jubilex in?
03/06/2008 22:48:24 ‹Samwise› matriarchal drow is fine, although hopefully not to too much of an extreme
03/06/2008 22:48:24 ‹Sinister Lilith› Abraxas?
03/06/2008 22:48:28 ‹Zaister› How did you disover that?
03/06/2008 22:48:36 ‹James Jacobs› Jubilex is in the revised Tome of Horrors.
03/06/2008 22:48:39 ‹Sinister Lilith› yoda8myhead, I think Book of Fiends or Tome of Horrors...
03/06/2008 22:48:39 ‹Sharoth› YES!!! That should be the basis of an entire AP. Jubilex!
03/06/2008 22:48:45 ‹yoda8myhead› nice
03/06/2008 22:48:47 ‹Zaister› oh
03/06/2008 22:48:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . Juiblex . . .
03/06/2008 22:48:52 ‹yoda8myhead› I still need to get the Tome of Horrors books
03/06/2008 22:48:56 ‹Zaister› er, isn't the name JUIBLEX?
03/06/2008 22:48:58 ‹Sinister Lilith› ToH is good.
03/06/2008 22:49:02 ‹yoda8myhead› was Revised ever printed, or just pdf?
03/06/2008 22:49:06 ‹Sinister Lilith› Zaister, it varies...
03/06/2008 22:49:12 ‹Sinister Lilith› yoda8myhead, just PDF that I know of.
03/06/2008 22:49:14 ‹James Jacobs› There are, at this point, 29 or 30 demon lords that are involved in matters in Golarion. All of them will be listed in the article in pathfinder 18, but only 13 will be mentioned in the Hardcover.
03/06/2008 22:49:17 ‹heathansson› Demogorgon was from Milton, iirc...just sayin...
03/06/2008 22:49:18 ‹Zaister› how chaotic!
03/06/2008 22:49:27 ‹Sinister Lilith› Zaister, Indeed!
03/06/2008 22:49:35 ‹James Jacobs› Jubilex is open. Juiblex is not.
03/06/2008 22:49:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Demogorgon was from Milton?
03/06/2008 22:49:46 ‹heathansson› I think so.
03/06/2008 22:49:52 ‹Zaister› wikipedia says "Demogorgon, although often ascribed to Greek mythology, is actually attributed to a Christian scholar ca 350-400 CE, imagined as the name of a pagan god or demon, associated with the underworld and envisaged as a powerful primordial being, whose very name had been taboo."
03/06/2008 22:49:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Among other sources.
03/06/2008 22:50:12 ‹heathansson› I could be wrong.
03/06/2008 22:50:22 ‹yoda8myhead› I like the idea of new demon lords, though
03/06/2008 22:50:25 * ollibolli joins Main
03/06/2008 22:50:29 ‹Urza› if you can do Jubilex and just move the i around.. i propose Demogorgen :)
03/06/2008 22:50:31 ‹Zaister› he is in Miltion, though
03/06/2008 22:50:32 ‹James Jacobs› Demogorgon was first invented by a monk who made up the name in the gloss of a book he was illuminating in like the 6th century or thereabouts. He's completely a fanciful creation by that nameless monk, actually, but he got traction and ended up in Paradise Lost by Milton, and then later in D&D.
03/06/2008 22:50:36 ‹James Jacobs› Oh.
03/06/2008 22:50:41 ‹ollibolli› good morning
03/06/2008 22:50:43 ‹yoda8myhead› If I want the same stuff I've been playing with for years, I'd just play Greyhawk or what have you
03/06/2008 22:50:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› I know it's late when Ollibolli comes in...
03/06/2008 22:50:50 ‹James Jacobs› Got scooped by Zaister there...
03/06/2008 22:50:58 ‹Zaister› :)
03/06/2008 22:50:58 ‹Absinth› Hi Olli!
03/06/2008 22:50:59 ‹Zaister› sorry
03/06/2008 22:51:07 ‹Daigle› It's been fun everyone, but I've gotta get some shut-eye.
03/06/2008 22:51:15 ‹heathansson› Me too.
03/06/2008 22:51:17 ‹Pete› Those Monks drank alot of beer.
03/06/2008 22:51:18 ‹yoda8myhead› night Daigle
03/06/2008 22:51:19 ‹James Jacobs› I've done enough with Demogorgon, actually.;)
03/06/2008 22:51:21 ‹heathansson› nitey nite.
03/06/2008 22:51:22 ‹yoda8myhead› keep those haircuts comin'
03/06/2008 22:51:23 ‹ollibolli› what?
03/06/2008 22:51:23 ‹Absinth› Bye, Daigle!
03/06/2008 22:51:27 ‹Daigle› Have a good night/day, folks!
03/06/2008 22:51:28 ‹ollibolli› I arrive, and evrybody prepares to leave?
22:51:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Me too, and I still have to clean up from game night...
03/06/2008 22:51:31 ‹Sharoth› Good night Daigle and Heathy!
03/06/2008 22:51:34 ‹heathansson› Or Baboonagon!!! Sweet.
03/06/2008 22:51:35 ‹ollibolli› gn8 adam
03/06/2008 22:51:37 * Daigle curls up on the couch.
03/06/2008 22:51:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night all!
03/06/2008 22:51:43 ‹Sharoth› Good night Scribe!
03/06/2008 22:51:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, and still he ends up on the Monster Manual II (4e)
03/06/2008 22:51:49 ‹ollibolli› gn8 craig
03/06/2008 22:51:54 * Sinister Lilith gives Daigle a nice blanket and tucks him in.
03/06/2008 22:51:54 ‹James Jacobs› Gygax came up with Mandrillagon for his books after he split from TSR.
03/06/2008 22:51:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle, watch for lost lines of text there...
03/06/2008 22:52:04 ‹Sharoth› ~grins~ I guess I should head out too! Sleep well everyone!
03/06/2008 22:52:21 ‹Pete› Current Favorite Demon: Herzou (cause the mini's rock when you've got 6 of them on a battlemap)
03/06/2008 22:52:23 * Rambling Scribe quit
03/06/2008 22:52:28 ‹Samwise› mandrillagon the cousin of demogorgon
03/06/2008 22:52:29 ‹yoda8myhead› Gygax did a fair amount of self-plagiarism after the schism
03/06/2008 22:52:31 * ollibolli feels like a party pooper
03/06/2008 22:52:37 * heathansson quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:52:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Oerth and Aerth and Yarth
03/06/2008 22:53:06 ‹James Jacobs› And Earth and Urth!
03/06/2008 22:53:16 * ollibolli is just on the wrong continent.
03/06/2008 22:53:16 ‹Zaister› hrhr
03/06/2008 22:53:19 ‹ollibolli› Erde is only the German translation of it
03/06/2008 22:53:22 ‹James Jacobs› Sagard the Barbarian was from Uerth or somewhere like that.
03/06/2008 22:53:31 ‹Samwise› oyth
03/06/2008 22:53:47 * Sharoth quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:53:53 ‹ollibolli› any news James on the German translation front?
03/06/2008 22:54:00 ‹yoda8myhead› Nein!
03/06/2008 22:54:10 ‹James Jacobs› We listed all those alternate names in Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk I think...
03/06/2008 22:54:14 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... YES!
03/06/2008 22:54:20 ‹yoda8myhead› wow
03/06/2008 22:54:22 ‹ollibolli› Yes?
03/06/2008 22:54:24 ‹yoda8myhead› I stand corrected
03/06/2008 22:54:33 ‹Zaister› oh?
03/06/2008 22:54:41 ‹James Jacobs› There was an ACTUAL MEETING about the German translations! That particular project is now actually IN PROGRESS, I understand.
03/06/2008 22:54:42 ‹ollibolli› ow I'm interested
03/06/2008 22:54:54 ‹Zaister› me too
03/06/2008 22:54:58 ‹James Jacobs› I wasn't IN the meeting, but it did indeed happen.
03/06/2008 22:55:06 ‹yoda8myhead› other languages, or just German?
03/06/2008 22:55:19 ‹ollibolli› French is laready under way
03/06/2008 22:55:19 ‹Zaister› I did some translation old BECMI D&D a long time ago
03/06/2008 22:55:26 ‹Zaister› Dawn of the Emperors box :)
03/06/2008 22:55:43 ‹ollibolli› Wow, Stefan, didn't know that
03/06/2008 22:55:53 ‹Zaister› and a few B modules
03/06/2008 22:56:02 ‹Absinth› BECMI?
03/06/2008 22:56:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› That is cool . . .
03/06/2008 22:56:13 ‹Zaister› Basic/Expert/Companion/maste/Immortal
03/06/2008 22:56:42 ‹yoda8myhead› when will the Klingon translations come out?
03/06/2008 22:57:05 ‹ollibolli› Klatah Barata nikhtu?
03/06/2008 22:57:06 ‹Absinth› Wow, Zaister, that's cool!
03/06/2008 22:57:14 ‹Urza› james, fun question... how many of you guys "found" the 4e rules online and read them while we all were reading them? :)
03/06/2008 22:57:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, I wish it wasn't as late as it is in the midwest, but I should be going . . . take care all, see you on the forums! Thanks for the time James!
03/06/2008 22:57:26 ‹James Jacobs› No prob! Thanks for comin' by!
03/06/2008 22:57:31 ‹yoda8myhead› urza, I predict someone taking the fifth
03/06/2008 22:57:31 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Knight
03/06/2008 22:57:33 ‹Sinister Lilith› Night KnightErrantJR!
03/06/2008 22:57:45 ‹yoda8myhead› g'night Knight
03/06/2008 22:57:47 ‹Zaister› night knight :)
03/06/2008 22:57:51 ‹Urza› good nite KEJ
03/06/2008 22:58:07 ‹Pete› Yoda: Heghlu'meh QaQ jajvam!
03/06/2008 22:58:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› take care all.
03/06/2008 22:58:21 ‹James Jacobs› I can't bear it! What was revealed in Ascendancy about the drow? AIEEE!
03/06/2008 22:58:38 * yoda8myhead frantically digs through his storage shed for his old copy of the dictionary, and then gives up.
03/06/2008 22:58:51 ‹Pete› "Today is a Good Day to Die!"
03/06/2008 22:59:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Ka'plah
03/06/2008 22:59:14 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 22:59:30 * yoda8myhead 's just gained a new level and now qualifies for the Uberdork PrC.
03/06/2008 22:59:44 ‹Pete› James: They have a man crush on Nick Logue?
03/06/2008 22:59:53 ‹ollibolli› I can only restate our intention to work on any translation (me and Wormy's Queue, that is), as we continue to post translations of the blog on most major german RPG boards
03/06/2008 23:00:04 ‹Urza› yoda is not only committing sin against god.. but against geekdom
03/06/2008 23:00:15 ‹Urza› mixing star wars and star trek!
03/06/2008 23:00:37 ‹Urza› take yoda away.. he should know better.. the two can't co-exist!
03/06/2008 23:00:39 ‹yoda8myhead› hey, that's just my handle, ok? I've always been a bigger Trekkie than Star Warsie
03/06/2008 23:00:56 * yoda8myhead changes his/her nickname to Odo8myhead
03/06/2008 23:01:15 ‹Urza› Star Warsie.. listen buddy we're just fans.. we don't need an IE at the end of our descriptor
03/06/2008 23:01:19 ‹Absinth› Olli, dann schaut eure letzte Übersetzung bitte nochmal durch. Da habt ihr euch leider nicht mit Ruhm bekleckert...
03/06/2008 23:01:23 ‹Sinister Lilith› Hey, I like both Wars and Trek. :P
03/06/2008 23:01:28 ‹James Jacobs› OK! It be 11. Time for me to go and either go home or get back to real work on Shadow in the Sky.
03/06/2008 23:01:31 ‹James Jacobs› Any last minute questions?
03/06/2008 23:01:36 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, Shadow!
03/06/2008 23:01:39 ‹ollibolli› Carnival of tears?
03/06/2008 23:01:41 ‹Urza› hehe not going to answer mine james? :)
03/06/2008 23:01:42 ‹Zaister› thanks for coming, James!
03/06/2008 23:01:48 ‹Absinth› Olli, yepp
03/06/2008 23:01:51 ‹Pygon› thanks for your time again, James
03/06/2008 23:01:55 ‹James Jacobs› Wait... what was your question, Urza?
03/06/2008 23:01:55 * Sinister Lilith gives a whip to James to use on the rest of the staff. :whip:
03/06/2008 23:02:29 ‹Urza› ‹Urza› james, fun question... how many of you guys "found" the 4e rules online and read them while we all were reading them? :)
03/06/2008 23:02:39 ‹Sinister Lilith› Sinister Lilith, But get some sleep too. I can only imagine what fever dreams you'd inflict upon the drow in a sleep-deprived state.
03/06/2008 23:02:58 ‹Sinister Lilith› Fie. That name clicky wrong...That should be for James...:roll:
03/06/2008 23:03:11 ‹Odo8myhead› Idon't think he can say that
03/06/2008 23:03:23 ‹Urza› hehe
03/06/2008 23:04:11 ‹Mothman› See you James
03/06/2008 23:04:22 * Blazej quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 23:04:31 ‹ollibolli› gn8 James
03/06/2008 23:04:51 ‹James Jacobs› All I know is that I have not looked for them. I'm actually strongly against piracy and that kinda scene. PLUS: I don't really want to see the books that much. When we get in copies in the store here, I'll certainly flip through them... but now that we're sticking with 3.5 and going PFRPG... I'm just not that interested in 4th.
03/06/2008 23:05:07 * Pete quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 23:05:30 ‹Odo8myhead› James, did you see Mongol yet?
03/06/2008 23:05:30 ‹Urza› very well thought out :)
03/06/2008 23:05:43 ‹Urza› have a good night :)
03/06/2008 23:05:47 ‹James Jacobs› And judging by the continuity/flavor changes they've made... the more I read 4th edition books, the b*+~#ier I'll probably get.
03/06/2008 23:05:52 ‹James Jacobs› Haven't seen Mongol yet, nope.
03/06/2008 23:06:18 ‹James Jacobs› Last 3 movies I saw: Mother of Tears, Encounters at the End of the World (both quite good), and The Strangers (not good).
03/06/2008 23:06:33 ‹Blazej› Downloading bad. It is worse when you are expecting people to pay you for your product.
03/06/2008 23:06:43 ‹Blazej› In my opinion.
03/06/2008 23:06:46 ‹Urza› the strangers wasn't good.. poo i was thinking about seeing that
03/06/2008 23:07:15 ‹Odo8myhead› I'll be sure to add those to my see/don't see lists
03/06/2008 23:07:18 ‹James Jacobs› It's bad. And it makes the MPAA and the RIAA crazy lunatics who then WAY overreact to the situation and end up making things EVEN WORSE with their crazy political shenanigans and deep pockets.
03/06/2008 23:07:35 ‹Sinister Lilith› Piracy makes the Whispering Tyrant cry...
03/06/2008 23:07:45 ‹Odo8myhead› Blazej, yeah, there's a certain level of hypocrisy that should be avoided
03/06/2008 23:08:04 ‹James Jacobs› And also basically led to me not being able to play Age of Conan 3 days early, even though I paid the 5 bucks to be in on the Early Start program.
03/06/2008 23:08:11 ‹James Jacobs› Becasue my ISP is one of those that throttles torrents.
03/06/2008 23:08:21 ‹Urza› piracy makes Nick Logue do a dance though :)
03/06/2008 23:08:35 ‹Pete› anyone that lives by publishing IP would feel the same.
03/06/2008 23:08:35 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, ewwww. On the throttling. :(
03/06/2008 23:08:38 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer my pirates with eye patches and peg legs and cool accents.
03/06/2008 23:08:48 ‹Sir Wulf› Arrr!
03/06/2008 23:08:52 ‹Pygon› yar
03/06/2008 23:08:59 ‹Sinister Lilith› My ISP is trying to impose a bandwidth cap.
03/06/2008 23:09:04 ‹Pete› I prefer my pirates of the "wench" variety
03/06/2008 23:09:05 ‹Odo8myhead› :pirate:
03/06/2008 23:09:08 ‹Sinister Lilith› This pirate: :pirate: good. Other piracy. Bad.
03/06/2008 23:09:09 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; sucks that they throttle all the peer-to-peer stuff indiscriminately and therefore hose legitimate uses of it.
03/06/2008 23:09:17 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, correct.
03/06/2008 23:09:30 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, how are you enjoying AoC?
03/06/2008 23:09:32 ‹Odo8myhead› Lilith, you're on TimeWarner?
03/06/2008 23:09:52 ‹James Jacobs› AoC is quite fun! Very faithful to the stories and the themes in the stories, more to the point.
03/06/2008 23:10:07 ‹Odo8myhead› mumble mumble ... evil multi-national conglomerates...mumble mumble
03/06/2008 23:10:36 ‹Odo8myhead› are the original Conan books in print, I haven't been able ot find them anywhere
03/06/2008 23:10:51 ‹Sir Wulf› That's the first MMO game that actually sounded interesting to me.
03/06/2008 23:11:02 ‹Sir Wulf› They're not hard to find.
03/06/2008 23:11:10 * Pygon quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 23:11:10 * Pygon quit (timeout)
03/06/2008 23:11:13 ‹Sinister Lilith› Odo8myhead, no, the local company is trying to charge $1 for every gig over the cap...which is heinous.
03/06/2008 23:11:23 ‹Pete› James: Anything we can drop by the office to keep Jason awake?
03/06/2008 23:11:28 ‹Sir Wulf› Collections of Conan or Robert Howard come out every few years.
03/06/2008 23:11:34 ‹Odo8myhead› Sinister Lilith, Time Warner just instituted the same policy
03/06/2008 23:11:41 ‹Pete› Coffee, Crank?
03/06/2008 23:11:55 ‹Sinister Lilith› James Jacobs, I imagine if you posted your love of it, you'd have Paizonians come flocking to join a guild. :)
03/06/2008 23:11:56 ‹Odo8myhead› Sir Wulf, I've seen collections, but don't know where to start
03/06/2008 23:11:58 ‹Urza› eyes patches and peg legs.. i'm glad Bethany Razor has none of those... cool accent i can imagine though :)
03/06/2008 23:12:05 ‹Odo8myhead› what was the first book in the series?
03/06/2008 23:12:06 ‹Sinister Lilith› Pete, Cookies! :cookie::cookie:
03/06/2008 23:12:12 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> HA!
03/06/2008 23:12:22 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm out! Seeya all next time!
03/06/2008 23:12:30 ‹Odo8myhead› g'night James
03/06/2008 23:12:30 * Sir Wulf goes to the bookshelf...
03/06/2008 23:12:33 ‹Pete› Later! Thanks for stopping in!
03/06/2008 23:12:36 ‹Odo8myhead› keep up the great work
03/06/2008 23:12:36 ‹Blazej› Night James.
03/06/2008 23:12:59 ‹ollibolli› gn8 James
03/06/2008 23:13:01 ‹Zaister› good night James
03/06/2008 23:13:11 ‹Sinister Lilith› Night James, thank you!
20:04:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› so who else thinks any Paizonians that show up tonight will still be in the office?
10/06/2008 20:04:34 ‹Justin Sluder› there are a lot of candidates out there for a Darwin Award
10/06/2008 20:04:53 ‹Justin Sluder› Yoda8myhead, I won't be surprised
10/06/2008 20:04:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› most candidates are gnomes
10/06/2008 20:05:00 ‹cpt_kirstov› *looks around for golems*
10/06/2008 20:05:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› none!
10/06/2008 20:05:15 * James Jacobs joins Main
10/06/2008 20:05:26 ‹Yoda8myhead› Ta-da!
10/06/2008 20:05:27 ‹Daigle› Speak of the devil
10/06/2008 20:05:31 ‹Wyvern› Hallo James
10/06/2008 20:05:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy James
10/06/2008 20:05:35 ‹James Jacobs› YAY! PIZZA!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!
10/06/2008 20:05:38 ‹Yoda8myhead› ...and get a demon instead
10/06/2008 20:05:38 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome to the party Mr. Jacobs
10/06/2008 20:05:41 ‹Urza› vote pathfinder if you haven't: http://www.koboldquarterly.com/
10/06/2008 20:05:45 ‹Urza› welcome james
10/06/2008 20:05:47 ‹Mr Baron› hello james
10/06/2008 20:05:52 ‹Daigle› Good one, yoda
10/06/2008 20:05:52 ‹James Jacobs› YAY! DEMON INSTEAD!
10/06/2008 20:05:56 * Justin Sluder hands James Jacobs and
10/06/2008 20:06:01 ‹Uzzy› Did you enjoy the Pizza, James?
10/06/2008 20:06:08 ‹James Jacobs› Absolutely.
10/06/2008 20:06:09 ‹Yoda8myhead› no no James, thank YOU!
10/06/2008 20:06:17 ‹Yoda8myhead› are you still at the office?
10/06/2008 20:06:19 ‹Uzzy› Good! Money well spent then
10/06/2008 20:06:20 ‹Lilith› James!
10/06/2008 20:06:24 * Andrew joins Main
10/06/2008 20:06:35 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome Andrew.
10/06/2008 20:06:40 ‹cpt_kirstov› yay
10/06/2008 20:06:46 ‹Daigle› One of you daytimers needs to email me next time y'all plan something during the workday.
10/06/2008 20:06:55 ‹James Jacobs› I am indeed still at the office, and just ate a slice of cold pizza as well!
10/06/2008 20:06:55 ‹Daigle› Howdy Andrew
10/06/2008 20:07:04 ‹Andrew› hi
10/06/2008 20:07:13 ‹Urza› lol
10/06/2008 20:07:15 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› James! Where the heck's my product! *GRUMP*!
10/06/2008 20:07:16 ‹Urza› there's pizza left over?
10/06/2008 20:07:55 * Skeld joins Main
10/06/2008 20:07:59 ‹Yoda8myhead› Daigle, there was no plan. It just sort of came together in like 45 minutes
10/06/2008 20:07:59 ‹Pygon› hi James. How are your deadlines looking? Making it?
10/06/2008 20:07:59 ‹James Jacobs› There's like 2 slices left. A couple that tore funny and no one wanted.
10/06/2008 20:08:01 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, Lord of Grump, relax, the awesomeness shall arrive in due time.
10/06/2008 20:08:05 ‹Daigle› Howdy Skeld
10/06/2008 20:08:10 ‹Yoda8myhead› who else is there?
10/06/2008 20:08:14 * Russ, Lord of Grump boots the customs office
10/06/2008 20:08:15 ‹Skeld› hey Daigle
10/06/2008 20:08:19 ‹Daigle› yoda, I know how those things work. Still enough time to email me
10/06/2008 20:08:23 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Your product was abducted by Amazon and then sold for 200% markup to the black market in Utah.
10/06/2008 20:08:27 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› IT HAS BEEN SIX WEEKS SINCE THE MONKEY GOT FED
10/06/2008 20:08:31 ‹Yoda8myhead› we will next time. Promise
10/06/2008 20:08:38 ‹Daigle› Werd
10/06/2008 20:08:40 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› THE MONKEY IS PISSED!
10/06/2008 20:08:40 ‹cappadocius› I wish I had a monkey.
10/06/2008 20:08:54 ‹James Jacobs› Right now, of the editing staff: Me, Jason Bulmahn, Mike McArtor, and Erik Mona.
10/06/2008 20:08:56 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› It is possible that I'm in a strange mood tonight
10/06/2008 20:09:05 ‹Skeld› cappadocius, monkeys are mean little bastards
10/06/2008 20:09:07 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› On the plus side, I just got a Wii
10/06/2008 20:09:10 ‹Yoda8myhead› Cappa, monkeys are magical beasts now, didn't you hear?
10/06/2008 20:09:12 ‹cpt_kirstov› as long as its not a monkey in a migris locker
10/06/2008 20:09:12 ‹Daigle› Ya think, Grump Lord?
10/06/2008 20:09:25 ‹Yoda8myhead› tell them all hi for us!
10/06/2008 20:09:26 ‹Lilith› Is Seoni's hair white or just a really light blond?
10/06/2008 20:09:31 ‹Lilith› "Hi Paizo Dudes!"
10/06/2008 20:09:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› and invite them in for a brief break
10/06/2008 20:09:39 ‹Skeld› hi lilith
10/06/2008 20:09:40 ‹Daigle› I think I like manic Russ.
10/06/2008 20:09:46 ‹JonathanShade› "Hi Paizo Guys"
10/06/2008 20:09:51 * Lilith waves at Skeld!
10/06/2008 20:10:03 ‹Yoda8myhead› yeah, the switch from grump to Wii was startling
10/06/2008 20:10:08 ‹Pete› "Workin in the Coal Mine"
10/06/2008 20:10:10 ‹Uzzy› I vote light blond, Lilith.
10/06/2008 20:10:19 ‹CD Lunching› Daigle, he has a certain suave approach doesn't he
10/06/2008 20:10:20 ‹Yoda8myhead› I think white
10/06/2008 20:10:27 ‹Blazej› "Going down, down"
10/06/2008 20:10:36 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Seoni is a brunette, but only her hairdress knows.
10/06/2008 20:10:45 ‹Daigle› How's it goin' CD?
10/06/2008 20:10:46 ‹James Jacobs› Seoni's hair is very pale blonde... almost silver, actually. It's supposed to look "exotic" without actually looking like a "real world Exotic analogue." If that makes sense...
10/06/2008 20:10:47 ‹CD Lunching› Lilith, ash blonde
10/06/2008 20:10:50 ‹Yoda8myhead› I bet Valeros knows also
10/06/2008 20:10:58 ‹Urza› dirty blond... merisiel's hair is white
10/06/2008 20:10:58 ‹CD Lunching› Daigle, good ,you?
10/06/2008 20:10:59 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Nah
10/06/2008 20:11:01 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› elves don't have body hair
10/06/2008 20:11:02 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Excellent. It's a very important question.
10/06/2008 20:11:05 ‹James Jacobs› Valeros does not know.
10/06/2008 20:11:05 ‹Daigle› Doing well.
10/06/2008 20:11:09 ‹James Jacobs› Merisiel might, though.
10/06/2008 20:11:32 ‹Urza› lol
10/06/2008 20:11:35 ‹Justin Sluder› Lilith, new art must be done!
10/06/2008 20:11:44 ‹Hill Giant› Merisiel has Profession (Hairdresser)?
10/06/2008 20:11:57 ‹Yoda8myhead› no, they're lebanese
10/06/2008 20:11:59 ‹Pygon› she does now.
10/06/2008 20:12:01 ‹Mr Baron› is that a new skill
10/06/2008 20:12:08 ‹Pete› They like Hummus?
10/06/2008 20:12:10 ‹Mr Baron› /?
10/06/2008 20:12:13 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. She's got Spot though.
10/06/2008 20:12:15 ‹Yoda8myhead› That's the skill Daigle was working on
10/06/2008 20:12:21 * Mad Geologist joins Main
10/06/2008 20:12:25 ‹Urza› lol
10/06/2008 20:12:27 ‹Daigle›
10/06/2008 20:12:28 ‹CD Lunching› Hill Giant, Merisiel has Profession (Beauty therapist)
10/06/2008 20:12:30 * Wolfshead joins Main
10/06/2008 20:12:32 ‹Daigle› It was not!
10/06/2008 20:12:41 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles and Wolfshead
10/06/2008 20:12:42 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› cherche les femmes!
10/06/2008 20:12:43 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome to the party Mad Geologist and Wolfshead.
10/06/2008 20:12:59 ‹James Jacobs› And Search. And Sleight of Hand. And Hide. And Bluff. All the key skills needed to solve such mysteries.
10/06/2008 20:13:09 * Mad Geologist s Lilith.
10/06/2008 20:13:22 ‹Yoda8myhead› I don't buy that not having spot makes you unable to see what color hair someone has
10/06/2008 20:13:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› no ranks in spot doesn't a blind man make
10/06/2008 20:13:34 ‹Wolfshead› Hi there.
10/06/2008 20:13:35 ‹Pygon› James - how are things looking for your June 13th crunch?
10/06/2008 20:13:39 ‹Urza› oh.. i thought Merisiel had Profession (Bikini Wax)
10/06/2008 20:13:52 ‹Yoda8myhead› Urza, she does in my game!
10/06/2008 20:13:59 ‹Hill Giant› Does Golarian have Brazilians?
10/06/2008 20:14:00 ‹JonathanShade›
10/06/2008 20:14:01 * Absinth joins Main
10/06/2008 20:14:10 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
10/06/2008 20:14:17 ‹Yoda8myhead› we'll get them when we get Tian Xia
10/06/2008 20:14:24 ‹Pete› Oh yes, give us an update on the write-til-you-drop danceathon
10/06/2008 20:14:24 ‹Absinth› Good morning!
10/06/2008 20:14:27 ‹Yoda8myhead› (Brazilians, not waxes)
10/06/2008 20:14:32 ‹CD Lunching› Daigle, are you the doorman today?
10/06/2008 20:14:41 ‹cpt_kirstov› if i disappear its because the thuderstorms just started
10/06/2008 20:14:42 ‹Yoda8myhead› he's the bouncer!
10/06/2008 20:14:52 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Actually... pretty good! It's gonna be close, and it's gonna require some late, LATE nights, but at this point in time, I'm pretty confident we'll hit most of our deadlines.
10/06/2008 20:14:53 ‹Rathendar› ah goodie, more peoples. hi everyone whos joined
10/06/2008 20:15:00 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: So what's it like having a bona fide excuse to escape from the insanity of the editorial pit for a couple of hours right now? It must be like a pressure cooker in there?
10/06/2008 20:15:02 ‹James Jacobs› ALL of the big deadlines will be hit.
10/06/2008 20:15:06 ‹Lilith› There are some special James Jacobs only tattoos on Seoni.
10/06/2008 20:15:06 ‹CD Lunching› cpt_kirstov, no UPS?
10/06/2008 20:15:13 ‹Pygon› excellent
10/06/2008 20:15:16 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Did the pizza help?
10/06/2008 20:15:18 ‹Yoda8myhead› are there small deadlines?
10/06/2008 20:15:19 ‹Daigle› CD, I try to say hi to everyone
10/06/2008 20:15:28 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Oh... I'm actually posting FROM the editorial pit, so it's not like I actually escaped!
10/06/2008 20:15:31 ‹Daigle› Even on non-chat nights
10/06/2008 20:15:33 ‹Wyvern› Daigle is very polite.
10/06/2008 20:15:35 ‹Mad Geologist› Very tasty things will no doubt come out of it, but some people may well be reduced to mush byu the end of the week?
10/06/2008 20:15:36 ‹James Jacobs› The Pizza DID help! THANKS!!!
10/06/2008 20:15:41 ‹Pete› He's editing with the other hand.
10/06/2008 20:15:42 * Lilith runs around the room and gives cookies to everybody that came in.
10/06/2008 20:15:46 ‹Yoda8myhead› That was the plan!
10/06/2008 20:15:46 ‹CD Lunching› Daigle, what a good host you are
10/06/2008 20:15:51 * Fray joins Main
10/06/2008 20:15:51 ‹Pete› Or his toes
10/06/2008 20:15:55 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... James Jacobs only tats on Seoni? Yay!
10/06/2008 20:15:56 ‹Urza› i would have loved to have been there when the news of free pizza from the fans became public office knowledge
10/06/2008 20:15:59 ‹Yoda8myhead› his mama taught him well
10/06/2008 20:16:14 ‹Fray› Hey yo.
10/06/2008 20:16:15 ‹Fray› Hi Daigle
20:16:17 ‹James Jacobs› There are indeed small deadlines.
10/06/2008 20:16:20 ‹Fray› ooo Lag
10/06/2008 20:16:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› Yeah, James. When did Cosmo spill the beans?
10/06/2008 20:16:25 ‹cpt_kirstov› CD Lunching, i do - cable company is dumb tho
10/06/2008 20:16:28 ‹Daigle› Howdy fray!
10/06/2008 20:16:32 ‹CD Lunching› Lilith, do we dare ask where the tats are?
10/06/2008 20:16:42 ‹Yoda8myhead› which are the big and which the small deadlines?
10/06/2008 20:16:50 ‹James Jacobs› Today about an hour before lunch is about when we learned about the pizza, I reckon.
10/06/2008 20:16:57 ‹Yoda8myhead› CD, it shouldn't matter as that pic doesn't hide much
10/06/2008 20:17:08 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› stop pervin' on te pregens!
10/06/2008 20:17:36 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, Lord of Grump, why?
10/06/2008 20:17:37 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> They're mostly big deadlines. Small ones would be the smaller projects like the Map Packs or Flip Mats or even the Modules.
10/06/2008 20:17:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› ah, ok. I wasn't even thinking of those
10/06/2008 20:17:55 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: They're smaller projects, so for the most part they're easy to just jam through and get shipped to print.
10/06/2008 20:18:05 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› bikini waxing in other forms is very old
10/06/2008 20:18:14 ‹James Jacobs› The Crimson Throne Map Folio's another example, I suppose, of a small deadline.
10/06/2008 20:18:21 ‹Absinth›
10/06/2008 20:18:29 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I recall one way of doing it involve sugar syrup
10/06/2008 20:18:29 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Any word yet on whether any of you have been awarded a golden ticket to attend Con UK?
10/06/2008 20:18:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› that's mostly just reprinting what you already have, though ,right>
10/06/2008 20:18:33 ‹James Jacobs› Whereas something like the Beta, the Campaign Setting, and Pathfinder 13 (and the first Pathfinder CompanioN) are the big ones.
10/06/2008 20:18:54 ‹Yoda8myhead› those are the ones I was worried about
10/06/2008 20:19:01 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Or at least GenCon UK?
10/06/2008 20:19:02 ‹Mr Baron› any wordon ap4?
10/06/2008 20:19:05 ‹Pygon› will the campaign setting have stats for major NPCs?
10/06/2008 20:19:14 ‹Yoda8myhead› I'll help you edit...just email me some words and I'll stay up all night. Let you get some rest.
10/06/2008 20:19:24 ‹James Jacobs› Mag Geo> I will not be going to GenCon UK.
10/06/2008 20:19:43 ‹Mad Geologist› Anyone ese from Paizo, maybe (except Mr. Pett???)
10/06/2008 20:19:46 ‹Duicarthan_AFK› Who from Paizo will be at Origins?
10/06/2008 20:20:32 ‹Absinth› Yoda, that's unfair. You'd just use the force for editing while James has to spend his sanity...
10/06/2008 20:20:52 ‹James Jacobs› AP4. Wes and I worked out a pretty cool plot for it a few nights ago, actually.
10/06/2008 20:20:57 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Proof, or Proof Not, There is no TRY
10/06/2008 20:21:03 ‹Yoda8myhead› yes, but I'm only 2 feet tall, so it all evens out
10/06/2008 20:21:09 ‹Mr Baron› anything you can share?
10/06/2008 20:21:10 ‹cpt_kirstov› spoil it! spoil it!
10/06/2008 20:21:10 * Mad Geologist quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 20:21:15 ‹James Jacobs› We don't have it nailed down well enough yet to let talk public about it really, though.
10/06/2008 20:21:21 ‹Fray› My excitement of the day: I saved a toddler from falling into a fountain today. His parents were too far away. I'm glad it wasn't my little girl. Glad I was close. His grandma said,"Thanks for saving my grandson."
10/06/2008 20:21:26 ‹Pygon›
10/06/2008 20:21:26 ‹Pete› Edit he can, yes.
10/06/2008 20:21:29 ‹Yoda8myhead› but it is in Qadira and Osirion?
10/06/2008 20:21:34 * cpt_kirstov cries
10/06/2008 20:21:50 ‹Daigle› Fray's a hero
10/06/2008 20:21:51 ‹JonathanShade› Good job, Fray
10/06/2008 20:22:01 ‹Justin Sluder› Fray, excellent work
10/06/2008 20:22:06 * Fray gets pizza tomorrow
10/06/2008 20:22:08 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> The campaign setting won't have stats for major NPCs. It'll have several sample NPCs of smaller types of characters, but we'll probably be doing stats for the BIG NPCs in the Companion or in Pathfinder, basically.
10/06/2008 20:22:12 ‹Fray› Scared the crap out me it did.
10/06/2008 20:22:12 ‹Mr Baron› are you still you calling it the genie wars?
10/06/2008 20:22:15 ‹Pete› Good karma, Fray, it will come back around.
10/06/2008 20:22:25 ‹Pygon› alright, thanks
10/06/2008 20:22:37 ‹Pygon› I was hoping to find out just how EVIL the Whispering Tyrant is
10/06/2008 20:22:45 ‹Yoda8myhead› Chaotic Evil!
10/06/2008 20:22:49 ‹James Jacobs› Adventure Path 4, it would appear, will mostly be set in Katapesh. It MAY peek into Osirion at one point, but I doubt it.
10/06/2008 20:22:51 ‹Fray› Pete yeah, I hope that someone is there for my little girl if I'm not for sure...
10/06/2008 20:22:53 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Mod #1 is "There' s Something About Marid"
10/06/2008 20:22:53 ‹Pygon› right - REALLY evil!
10/06/2008 20:23:00 ‹Mr Baron› looking forward to reading about WT
10/06/2008 20:23:16 ‹Mr Baron› WooT!
10/06/2008 20:23:17 ‹Pete› Katapesh! Awesome!
10/06/2008 20:23:25 ‹Justin Sluder› The Whispering Tyrant is so evil George Bush and Dick Cheney are afraid of it.
10/06/2008 20:23:26 ‹Daigle› Awesome!
10/06/2008 20:23:46 ‹Fray› But Chuck Norris isn't afraid of any kind of evil
10/06/2008 20:23:49 ‹James Jacobs› For the BIG NPCs, we may do a 64-page NPC book someday, I suppose. We wanted to avoid TOO much of that in the Campaign Book.
10/06/2008 20:23:54 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Followed by jazzin' for blue djinn
10/06/2008 20:23:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› someone might be getting hummus and falafel sent to them when that AP runs around
10/06/2008 20:24:00 ‹Lilith› Yay fray!
10/06/2008 20:24:03 ‹cpt_kirstov› Justin Sluder, but that is true of fluffy bunnies too!
10/06/2008 20:24:05 * Lilith gives Fray a gold star.
10/06/2008 20:24:15 ‹Fray› Thanks Lilith!
10/06/2008 20:24:15 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Dubya is too stupid to be evil
10/06/2008 20:24:21 * Yoda8myhead likes his Bowie references!
10/06/2008 20:24:21 ‹Justin Sluder› cpt_kirstov, true true
10/06/2008 20:24:21 ‹Blazej› Yeah, the big NPCs tend to eat up a lot of space.
10/06/2008 20:24:35 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, Lord of Grump, I can't fight you on that
10/06/2008 20:24:37 ‹Pete› So we're going to get some artwork of the alien overlords of Katapesh?
10/06/2008 20:24:42 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Second Darkness is supposed to feature an ancient weapon or ritual of some sort, I believe, according to the spoilers on the Paizo site... has any thought been given as to what happens when the PCs decide to use it to get rid of Cheliax, The World-Wound, or any other part of Golarion which they find a nuisance to their sensibilities?
10/06/2008 20:24:45 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Then "Dao, What I Say-O" for #15
10/06/2008 20:25:14 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› And finally "Efreet I Can't Do That, Dave"
10/06/2008 20:25:28 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> In the super scanty outline we have now... yeah. The alien overlords of Katapesh are indeed "on screen" for a bit.
10/06/2008 20:25:39 ‹Yoda8myhead› Russ, saved the best for last
10/06/2008 20:25:47 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, the iconics probably appear in the art.. but do they get any mention textwise in the campaign setting?
10/06/2008 20:26:43 ‹cpt_kirstov› oooo lightning..
10/06/2008 20:26:50 ‹Yoda8myhead› THOR!
10/06/2008 20:26:54 * Russ, Lord of Grump thinks you should slip in the remains of the iconics in one of the art ordes
10/06/2008 20:27:24 ‹Mr Baron› any plans to do an AP with the kings of the Linnorms?
10/06/2008 20:27:35 ‹Mr Baron› or rather Linnorm Kings?
10/06/2008 20:28:00 * Russ, Lord of Grump has a kitchen finished with linnoworm hides
10/06/2008 20:28:01 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 20:28:20 ‹Blazej› Loading... Loading...
10/06/2008 20:28:42 * Eyebite joins Main
10/06/2008 20:28:44 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I really enjoy Varisia, will there be more info on the other Runelords? Possibly Pathfinder Modules for higher level characters dealing with maybe one or two of the other reawakened Runelords?
10/06/2008 20:28:55 ‹Pete› Kool. For some reason I just have Hyperboran's, so it will be good to see them
10/06/2008 20:29:01 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> The iconics won't be part of the actual text of the campaign setting. Probably not until we really do actual fiction type stuff. For now, they're just art and pregens.
10/06/2008 20:29:05 ‹Daigle› The illustrious Eyebite!
10/06/2008 20:29:24 ‹Fray› Anyone checkout Green Ronin's The Psychic's Handbook?
10/06/2008 20:29:27 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> One of my brewing AP ideas does indeed involve the Linnorm Kings at one point.
10/06/2008 20:29:53 ‹Urza› drat.. had to ask
10/06/2008 20:29:58 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› (linnowormoleum)
10/06/2008 20:29:59 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, also, any news on the novels?
10/06/2008 20:30:03 ‹Eyebite› Daigle! Sorry, had to reload
10/06/2008 20:30:07 ‹Yoda8myhead› when are we getting announecements on 09 products?
10/06/2008 20:30:10 ‹Pete› So your ceo and mr. Baur both mentioned interest in the river kingdoms, are they getting some love sometime?
10/06/2008 20:30:11 * Fray is jonsing on the The Player's Handbook
10/06/2008 20:30:14 * Mad Geologist wonders if he just timed out and missed a reply...
10/06/2008 20:30:29 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I'd like to see a demon holding up Seoni's head or some such, it'd be a bit of dark comedy
10/06/2008 20:30:31 ‹Blazej› I didn't see it either.
10/06/2008 20:30:41 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Of course, she already got the zombi-eye treatment in Hangman's Noose
10/06/2008 20:30:47 ‹Daigle› James, Joshua - Great articles in KQ!
10/06/2008 20:31:05 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 20:31:16 * Fray hasn't read his KQ yet...
10/06/2008 20:31:43 ‹Daigle› I don't have my physical copy but I read a touch of the PDF
10/06/2008 20:31:51 * Justin Sluder has looked through his KQ, but not extensively
10/06/2008 20:32:06 * Urza thinks the 09 product line is conditional on the Beta and Campaign Setting sales
20:32:21 * Eyebite joins Main
10/06/2008 20:32:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› Urza, we should have a list of Q1 stuff soon
10/06/2008 20:32:42 * Mad Geologist see sno director o0f marketing....
10/06/2008 20:32:43 ‹Eyebite› Thanks Daigle! I thought James' article on Jezebel was awesome
10/06/2008 20:33:07 * Russ, Lord of Grump just noticed that humans have the lowest stats of any race in 4thE...thankfully, Pathfinder did it better
10/06/2008 20:33:32 * Mad Geologist s not surprised that PF did it better.
10/06/2008 20:33:40 ‹Mr Baron› anybody planning on using 4th ed with Pathfinder?
10/06/2008 20:33:42 ‹Eyebite› I might have something coming out next issue too, keep your eyes peeled
10/06/2008 20:33:49 ‹cpt_kirstov› Russ thats the one thing i thought 4th did right
10/06/2008 20:33:50 ‹Mad Geologist› pathfinder pays attention to it's play-tester!
10/06/2008 20:33:50 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> There will indeed be more info on the Runelords. As early as Pathfinder 12, in fact. And now and then all over the place in other books.
10/06/2008 20:33:53 ‹Daigle› Will do!
10/06/2008 20:34:00 ‹Absinth› James, it would be cool if you could answer Mad Geogolist's question, as it's quite interesting: Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Second Darkness is supposed to feature an ancient weapon or ritual of some sort, I believe, according to the spoilers on the Paizo site... has any thought been given as to what happens when the PCs decide to use it to get rid of Cheliax, The World-Wound, or any other part
10/06/2008 20:34:08 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs,
10/06/2008 20:34:08 ‹Mad Geologist› tester(s)
10/06/2008 20:34:30 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Thanks! Jezebel was fun to write about!
10/06/2008 20:34:33 ‹Pete› MrBaron: Yeppers
10/06/2008 20:34:37 ‹Absinth› Oh my god, my spelling gets worse... Sorry, MG!
10/06/2008 20:34:43 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, two of the guys in my group were just talking about homonculi a week before that Ecology hit. F$%&in' great timing!
10/06/2008 20:34:53 ‹Mad Geologist› Absinth: That's okay....
10/06/2008 20:35:12 ‹Eyebite› I love the little bastards....and I've always seen them as being creepier than they were portrayed in the MM. So, there ya go.
10/06/2008 20:35:18 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> OH! Yeah... I did accidently skip that question as I was thinking too much about it...
10/06/2008 20:35:39 ‹Absinth› It's just too early for me to type complicated words...
10/06/2008 20:35:54 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, overthinking happens to us all
10/06/2008 20:35:58 ‹James Jacobs› Jeff just stopped by to say: THANK YOU FOR THE PIZZA while he had a mouthful of it in his gob.
10/06/2008 20:36:07 ‹Mr Baron› james, are there any sneak previews that you can share with us?
10/06/2008 20:36:15 ‹Pygon› thank you too Jeff!
10/06/2008 20:36:17 ‹Urza› lol
10/06/2008 20:36:19 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› cpt_kirstov> Not comfortable with kobolds having better stats than humans
10/06/2008 20:36:39 ‹Mad Geologist› It's just that players who get their hands on a domsday weapon sometimes get interesting ideas of ways with which they could improve the world....
10/06/2008 20:36:40 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway... as for the big ancient weapon/ritual that is an element of Second Darkness... yes. There will indeed be information about "what to do" if the PCs decide to abuse it at the end.
10/06/2008 20:36:52 ‹Yoda8myhead› awesome!!
10/06/2008 20:37:10 ‹cpt_kirstov› Russ, Lord of Grump, I alaways say that if I wanted my players to play humans we'd play d20 modern
10/06/2008 20:37:39 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Let me think for about if there's any cool sneak preview stuff I can talk about for a bit...
10/06/2008 20:37:53 ‹JonathanShade› That will be excellent, Mr. Jacobs
10/06/2008 20:37:54 ‹Urza› cpt_kirstov, humans in d20 modern? psh..it's all about being a bugbear pimp
10/06/2008 20:37:57 ‹Mr Baron›
10/06/2008 20:37:58 * Ross joins Main
10/06/2008 20:38:06 ‹Eyebite› Named Huggybear?
10/06/2008 20:38:07 ‹Daigle› Howdy Ross
10/06/2008 20:38:22 ‹Daigle› Buggybear!
10/06/2008 20:38:28 ‹Eyebite› heh
10/06/2008 20:38:35 ‹Daigle› Huggybear was a rat.
10/06/2008 20:38:34 ‹Justin Sluder› okay, time to go all.
10/06/2008 20:38:41 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun
10/06/2008 20:38:42 ‹Daigle› No one likes a rat.
10/06/2008 20:38:46 ‹Fray› Huggybear was da man yo!
10/06/2008 20:38:47 ‹Mad Geologist› James jacobs; Any word on german translations of Pathfinder?
10/06/2008 20:38:47 ‹Daigle› Later Justin!
10/06/2008 20:38:48 ‹Pygon› "We listen at the door." You hear: "Buggabuggabuggabugga..."
10/06/2008 20:38:51 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, What are your biggest fears for Pathfinder (besides the obvious "not selling well" .
10/06/2008 20:38:52 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› And this "How to be a scro", with Velve' Jones
10/06/2008 20:38:53 ‹Ross› Daigle, howdy. I'm not popping in that long, unfortunately.
10/06/2008 20:38:54 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin's
10/06/2008 20:38:59 ‹Eyebite› Can you imagine the pimp slap from that guy? I bet his hos pay on time, everytime
10/06/2008 20:39:02 ‹James Jacobs› One thing though... we assume ALL of our Adventure Paths are insulated from each other and the rest of our products. None of the events that occur in them are really assumed to advance the world calendar, really. Partially because they're self-contained and once we're done with one, we won't generally go back there unless it's a direct sequel type thing.
10/06/2008 20:39:25 ‹Mr Baron› ok
10/06/2008 20:39:26 ‹James Jacobs› So having to worry about what the PCs do with ancient evil weapons isn't THAT important. But we'll talk a bit about it anyway.
10/06/2008 20:39:39 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I'll be disappointed to not see anything in Korvosa again :/
10/06/2008 20:40:08 ‹Ross› The timeline was advanced by a year between RotRL and CotCT, though.
10/06/2008 20:40:10 ‹Rathendar› thats a kind of interestingw ay to view it. you have events mappening basically concurrently across teh world, and then you 'could' do an update adcvancement of 5 years or so and each area would have chanegd
10/06/2008 20:40:12 * Fray wonders how much Essence it takes to power the anicient weapon in question...
10/06/2008 20:40:14 ‹Daigle› I like that model. When adventure repurcussions start banging against each other things get crazy
10/06/2008 20:40:17 ‹Pete› James: Will PF Society then will reset each year, or have an ongoing plot and impacts?
10/06/2008 20:40:20 ‹Absinth› James, how set in stone is the six part-concept for the APs? I know that you want to release two APs a year, but is it possible to change that sometimes in the future? Maybe releasing 3 4-part APs or one with four and one with eight parts or something? Or is it that important to have a new AP start in august (for Gen Con) that there's no chance for something like this?
10/06/2008 20:40:29 * Wolfshead quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 20:40:41 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Things are more or less moving forward on the German Translations now. Not sure what the schedule is, but there's been a few meetings & stuff.
10/06/2008 20:40:44 ‹Eyebite› An all Osirion AP would be awesome . . . just sayin' . . .
10/06/2008 20:40:46 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Wow, I gotta give it to the boards, "She shrugged off all of these blows and turned on him tearing him limb from limb" is sooo much better than her pulling the bolt from her temple...
10/06/2008 20:41:18 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> If we DO go back to Korvosa, we'll probably assume it's after what happens in Pathfinder 12, and that'll have to, in some way, play into the adventure is all I'm saying.
10/06/2008 20:41:33 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: Is Chrstine Schenider, the Superstar contest winner able to assist with getting German translations sorted out?
10/06/2008 20:41:46 ‹Mad Geologist› Or is she too busy writing things for yu?
10/06/2008 20:41:58 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Hmm. Isn't AP #4 Osirion lready?
10/06/2008 20:42:14 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> The YEAR was advanced between RotR and CotCT, but the timeline wasn't. As In: You can actually run those two APs in either order. Runelords doesn't have to happen before Crimson Throne, and Second Darkness can happen before or in between them or after, all without really messing the other two up at all.
10/06/2008 20:42:33 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Are you avoiding use of the year in player's handouts?
10/06/2008 20:43:23 ‹Yoda8myhead› So will the death of Erodred II have no lasting impact on the world?
10/06/2008 20:43:24 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> The PF society will have an ongoing plot. It won't "reset." I assume it'll be more or less self-contained, and if/when we ever do anything in the PF society that's a BIG HUGE WORLD-SPANNING event, that event will have elements in every Pathfinder product for that year. Such big events, I hope, won't happen TOO often, though.
10/06/2008 20:43:31 ‹Mad Geologist› (ping)
10/06/2008 20:44:11 ‹Absinth› More
10/06/2008 20:44:12 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 20:44:18 * JonathanShade changes his/her nickname to JS.AFK
10/06/2008 20:44:22 ‹Fray› Yoda8myhead> we find our next episode that it was his twin that died so nothing really changes and all is right with the world.
10/06/2008 20:44:29 ‹Fray› out
10/06/2008 20:44:38 ‹Fray› :sigh:
10/06/2008 20:44:45 ‹Fray› f'n typo fairies!
10/06/2008 20:44:48 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> At this point, the six-part model for the APs is pretty set in stone. It's VERY important to start an AP in August for Gen Con, and I doubt we'll ever change that. And I also doubt we'll ever do something longer than 6 parts either.
10/06/2008 20:44:51 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: Any further comments (further to those on the appropriate thread) on the soul-sucking erinyes in the Cheliax faction blog-post?
10/06/2008 20:44:54 * Yoda8myhead pats Fray on the back for putting in the effort
10/06/2008 20:44:55 ‹Urza› james i like the idea of the adventure paths not advancing the timeline.. but it would still be nice to have some official timeline for how they should unfold... like the small issue of W1 taking place before CotCT but not being about to use the CotCT party unless you alter W1 is a thorn in my side
10/06/2008 20:45:03 ‹Daigle› Keyboard gremlins!
10/06/2008 20:45:09 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 20:45:33 ‹Fray› see Daigle they got you too... you misspelled 'typo fairies'...
10/06/2008 20:45:45 ‹Mr Baron› James, I agree with you...you have to hit Gencon with the first of a new AP
10/06/2008 20:45:47 ‹Mad Geologist› .
10/06/2008 20:45:53 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› James - a good plan, IMO. I dunno how Savage Tide plays out, but fatigue is setting in in my Age of Worms campaign, as we head into part 11.
10/06/2008 20:45:57 ‹Daigle›
10/06/2008 20:46:05 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, if it were three four-part modeled APs in a year should bring you back to GenCon with a new AP right?
10/06/2008 20:46:09 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> An all Osirion AP would indeed be awesome. But such an AP wasn't fitting into AP4. We've got an Osirion plot sorta brewing for SOME day thoguh...
10/06/2008 20:46:14 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I have no idea how an EIGHTEEN MONTH ap is supposed to work, but good luck WotC
10/06/2008 20:46:23 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 20:46:28 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 20:46:34 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Christine is more of a writer resource than a translator resource, so I suspect she won't be involved with any German translations.
10/06/2008 20:46:36 ‹Blazej› One month at a time.
10/06/2008 20:46:38 ‹Fray› My CotCT game is going to take YEARS... (I play once a month)
10/06/2008 20:46:56 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I've been doing Age of Worms for 2.5 years
10/06/2008 20:46:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I was thinking of having some Osirion parts in AP 4, but it's shaping up to be mostly Katapesh.
10/06/2008 20:47:13 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Oh well, Katapesh is nice too
10/06/2008 20:47:16 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yes; generally, we try to avoid mentioning years in player handouts.
10/06/2008 20:47:36 ‹cpt_kirstov› Fray, just do like i did with AoW once a month we did a 10 hour marathon session - plowing through about 1.75 adventures
10/06/2008 20:47:43 ‹Pete› I'm looking forward to seeing the write-up on the bazaar of Katapesh
10/06/2008 20:47:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Nope; Eodred II's death will have a lasting impact on Korvosa, and MAYBE Varisia, but beyond that? No real effect.
10/06/2008 20:48:18 ‹Fray› cpt_kirstov> cool idea but I'm capped at 6 hrs... but I am happy I have a game to run/play at all.
10/06/2008 20:48:20 ‹Absinth› So, is there any meta plot for Golarion? I mean, why is the timeline advancing at all if the APs don't even matter? I understand that they get no mention because they all turn out different for each group, right?
10/06/2008 20:48:37 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Six large-sized mods is plenty for a long arc, and it avoids the worst levels in the game on top of that
10/06/2008 20:48:37 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Nope; no further comments on the "soul-sucking erinyes." It's basically an art blunder, and it's not really one we have time to fix, so we're rolling with it.
10/06/2008 20:49:03 ‹Uzzy› James, are there any plans for extra books to support the Pathfinder RPG after it's been released, or is it too early to talk about that?
10/06/2008 20:49:06 ‹Fray› ok... i'm outtie... y'all have a great evening. Have a drink for Erick Wujcik while you're at it.
10/06/2008 20:49:13 ‹Eyebite› Ah well and AP that at least brushes with Osirion would be cool too. I may just have to run a homebrew Osirion campaign
10/06/2008 20:49:17 ‹Daigle› Take care Fray!
10/06/2008 20:49:20 ‹Eyebite› later Fray
10/06/2008 20:49:24 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: The 'fluff blunder' with Imps vs Pseudodragons spawned an interesting opportunity though for developing background for Korvosa.
10/06/2008 20:49:24 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> The thing with setting the timeline in stone is that that's the first step in self-obsoletion. We aren't quite comfortable in obsoleting popular adventures yet.
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10/06/2008 20:49:33 ‹Mad Geologist› Goodnight Fray.
10/06/2008 20:49:35 ‹Blazej› The Erinyes has a +1 wounding kiss.
10/06/2008 20:49:41 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> But I'm not sure a 3 or 4 part adventure path is worth the spectacle of it all.
10/06/2008 20:49:46 ‹Absinth› Uzzy, a PFRPG MM...
10/06/2008 20:49:54 ‹Blazej› Yeah, James Jacobs.
10/06/2008 20:49:54 ‹Daigle› Rogue! What's shakin'?
10/06/2008 20:50:13 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Agreed; that's why a 6 part AP is better than a 12 part AP. Especially since it's in those last 5 or so levels (15–20) where the fatigue hits.
10/06/2008 20:50:22 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Hmm. 3 or 4 parts was plenty for some of the better old module arcs
10/06/2008 20:50:39 ‹Pete› How many episodes are there in the LB set? Could that be considered a mini-ap?
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10/06/2008 20:51:09 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Against the Giants, Pathfinder style (though I guess that was 7 parts, but I'd say like 2/3rds of a PF mod even fleshed out per part)
10/06/2008 20:51:16 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Yeah; that's a problem with W1. We didn't quite have things worked out between the APs and the module lines yet, and that's the type of problem we are now trying to avoid.
10/06/2008 20:51:36 ‹Eyebite› If LB sells well, will there be more 2 or 3 part "arcs" for the modules series?
10/06/2008 20:51:50 ‹Absinth› Well, a four part AP could be used to try out more exotic or unusual concepts
10/06/2008 20:51:57 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah; and since ancient Osirion pretty much COVERED Katapesh... there's still gonna be pyramids and stuff to adventure in. It'll just be more Sinbad feeling than Egypt feeling.
10/06/2008 20:52:06 ‹Urza› W1 isn't a big deal.. the Queen can just send the PCs on W1 instead of the King, to get them out of the way
10/06/2008 20:52:15 ‹Urza› it's just silly
10/06/2008 20:52:29 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes. We have a VAGUE metaplot for Golarion, but it's not really doing much yet. We want to get the world established and comfortable feeling, and that'll take a few years.
10/06/2008 20:52:47 ‹Ross› What was the problem with w1?
10/06/2008 20:52:48 ‹Absinth› Which one is W1?
10/06/2008 20:52:50 ‹Mr Baron› I agree on that on the odd ball non-main stream AP's, a 4 issue AP might be a way to work those ideas in
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10/06/2008 20:53:12 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Ross - one of the seven swords comes up elsewhere, as I recall
10/06/2008 20:53:13 ‹Mr Baron› you could do 3 in 1 year
10/06/2008 20:53:26 ‹Urza› Absinth, Bloodsworn Vale
10/06/2008 20:53:29 ‹Mad Geologist› module prices in the UK seem to be falling at last in response to the pound vs dollar....
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10/06/2008 20:53:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› Ross, the PCs are sent on a mission by Eodred, but it's the type of thing Ileosa wouldn't care at all about since she's just in it for herself
10/06/2008 20:53:37 ‹Pete› I'd think it better to just link up some of the modules. Build a plot around some of them, like Goodman has done.
10/06/2008 20:53:44 ‹Urza› Ross, it's for a higher level party that's working for the King
10/06/2008 20:53:47 ‹Daigle› What up, Craig?
10/06/2008 20:53:50 ‹Mad Geologist› Russ That was in Seven Swords of Sin, set in Kaer Maga
10/06/2008 20:53:54 ‹Absinth› Oh, the rambling scribe!
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10/06/2008 20:54:01 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi all! Not much Adam!
10/06/2008 20:54:02 ‹Mr Baron› I like the idea of linking 2-3 modules together
10/06/2008 20:54:04 ‹Pete› Easier effort, anyway
10/06/2008 20:54:08 ‹Mad Geologist› Russ: And it recurs in Runelords.
10/06/2008 20:54:18 ‹Eyebite› Ooh! I remember what I wanted to ask. James > Can you spill the beans on the first "side trek" type adventures we'll be seeing in Pathfinder...I think they were called set pieces? (or something like that.)
10/06/2008 20:54:27 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Oh, W1 isn't 7s, oops
10/06/2008 20:54:43 ‹cpt_kirstov› Yoda8myhead, but she needs the exotic wood to demonstrate how powerful the city is t get lrge quantiies of rare wood..
10/06/2008 20:54:55 ‹James Jacobs› Uzzy>I'm 99% sure we'll release support books for the Pathfinder RPG. But that's OVER a year away, so I have no Idea really what we'll be able to do (or want to do) yet.
20:55:02 ‹James Jacobs› AIEE! I'm falling behind!
10/06/2008 20:55:18 ‹Blazej› Foward! Forward!
10/06/2008 20:55:24 * slow down everyone!
10/06/2008 20:55:45 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I'll tell you when we've chatted enough!
10/06/2008 20:55:45 ‹Absinth› Yes, mysterious voice!
10/06/2008 20:55:48 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> The LB set is 2 32 page modules.
10/06/2008 20:55:49 ‹Blazej› Get a drink, have a snack.
10/06/2008 20:55:51 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 20:55:56 ‹Pygon› more questions than usual this time
10/06/2008 20:56:08 ‹Pete› Crowd control! Keep these people back behind the red ropes!
10/06/2008 20:56:24 ‹Daigle› James, you need to get one of those other slackers in here to help you out on with the questions.
10/06/2008 20:56:34 ‹Yoda8myhead› Pete, that requires handle rope, which is gone now
10/06/2008 20:56:41 ‹Mad Geologist› Daigle: No, they need to work on getting things out for GenCon.
10/06/2008 20:56:42 ‹Absinth› Daigle, exactly my thoughts...
10/06/2008 20:56:45 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> If LB sells well (and I mean BOTH modules, not just the first one), yeah we'll try more 2 or maybe even 3 part modules. But since we're moving to a bimonthly release pattern for the modules, I suspect we wont' be doing series modules like that very often...
10/06/2008 20:56:53 ‹Yoda8myhead› get Mike in here. He never visits with us
10/06/2008 20:57:12 ‹Pete› ninja bastard
10/06/2008 20:57:19 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I'm relieved the mods will slow down, I've got 3 year's worth from ya
10/06/2008 20:57:20 ‹Eyebite› Ah, makes sense
10/06/2008 20:57:23 ‹Mad Geologist› Mike McArtor, the master...
10/06/2008 20:57:27 ‹Urza› Jame, i still want to see a continuation of D1.. the fact that there's a 3rd level to that dungeon that we're not going to see is yucky! i say each year we get a module that features a knew floor.. but i know that's not going
10/06/2008 20:57:37 ‹Rathendar› i like th eidea of module 'sequals' even with a slower release schedule you wouldnt have to release them back to back
10/06/2008 20:57:47 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> The first Set-Piece adventure will appear in Pathfinder #13. It'll be a short adventure set in a tiny kinda rinky-dink thieves' guild.
10/06/2008 20:57:47 ‹Mr Baron› i vote for a follow on toD1!!!
10/06/2008 20:57:56 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, will we ever see a poll of some sorts to let fans decide where to set modules?
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10/06/2008 20:58:14 ‹Daigle› Mothy!
10/06/2008 20:58:16 ‹Eyebite› Moth!
10/06/2008 20:58:21 ‹Rambling Scribe› HiMoth!
10/06/2008 20:58:37 ‹Daigle› I'm looking forward to those Set Pieces
10/06/2008 20:58:40 ‹James Jacobs› cpt_kirstov> Ileosa has plenty of exotic wood already.
10/06/2008 20:58:50 ‹Eyebite› I heart short adventures - the set pieces sound really cool
10/06/2008 20:59:44 ‹Absinth› So, I have a question for the room so James can catch up with the questions: What do you think about the mechanic that demons, devils etc. can summon other demons and devils? Do you use this option as a DM? Do you like it in terms of flavour?
10/06/2008 20:59:51 ‹James Jacobs› Mike says: "I'm busy!" And he is, alas... Jason's dealing with the Beta, and Mike's dealing with the Campaign Setting hardcover, and neither can really get away right now, alas. I, on the other hand, am BETWEEN EDITING PROJECTS for a bit. SO! Here I am!
10/06/2008 21:00:08 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 21:00:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› and Erik?
10/06/2008 21:00:24 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> We may release more info about what's below D1's dungeon some day. Just not some day soon.
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10/06/2008 21:00:37 ‹Pete› Absinth: I've done alot with demons and I almost always fudge the summon % for dramatic effect, even though it's "cheating".
10/06/2008 21:00:39 ‹Daigle› Thanks for making it here tonight James! We appreciate you making the time, even if it is a break.
10/06/2008 21:00:40 ‹Hill Giant› Absinth, I'm not keen of %-based abilities
10/06/2008 21:00:45 ‹Pygon› Abs - I haven't used it enough to see if it's a problem. It's a flavor carried forward from 1e-2e to be sure, but I certainly plan to find out if it's a problem
10/06/2008 21:00:55 ‹Lilith› Thank you James Jacobs!
10/06/2008 21:00:59 ‹Ross› Alright. It's time for sleep. Silly time difference.
10/06/2008 21:00:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› I love using outsiders to summon more outsiders, but it's really swingy as presented.
10/06/2008 21:01:02 ‹Hill Giant› (but the summoning itself, is good)
10/06/2008 21:01:03 * Lilith should be done with her pic soon.
10/06/2008 21:01:17 ‹cpt_kirstov› Absinth, my games usually fizzle by the time that is relivan(around 8th level or so)
10/06/2008 21:01:17 ‹Pygon› gnite Ross
10/06/2008 21:01:20 ‹Ross› G'Night everybody.
10/06/2008 21:01:25 ‹Blazej› Night Ross.
10/06/2008 21:01:29 ‹Urza› james, yeah i know, mike said you guys were moving away from Falcon's Hollow after 1.5
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10/06/2008 21:01:31 ‹Daigle› Good night, man!
10/06/2008 21:01:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Ross!
10/06/2008 21:01:36 ‹Mad Geologist› It depends on what outsiders the outsiders are summoning, and which edition of the game tyou play...
10/06/2008 21:01:37 ‹Uzzy› Woot Lilith. I'm going to stay up for that pic!
10/06/2008 21:01:44 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I'm not sure about a poll that decides modules... since we want to generally retain that power and pick based on themes that support our plans for hte world and that build on things we know are popular... So, in a way... our customers can kinda let us know by buying the ones they like, or just giving them good reviews or talking them up on messageboards.
10/06/2008 21:01:56 ‹Mad Geologist› In 2nd edition, succubi could call in a balor, a small % of the time....
10/06/2008 21:02:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Erik is also in "Campaign Book Editing Hell" right now.
10/06/2008 21:02:26 ‹Yoda8myhead› ah
10/06/2008 21:02:31 ‹Mothman› Hi Daigle, Eyebite, Scribe
10/06/2008 21:02:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› MG: Coulodn't they do that in 3.) as well... and it didn't count for CR!
10/06/2008 21:02:43 ‹Pete› Absinth: Nothin makes a encounter more fun then an Extra Herzou showing up just when you think you have the first one on the ropes.
10/06/2008 21:02:45 ‹Mothman› Hi James, didn't know if you'd have time to stop by today
10/06/2008 21:02:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› ...couldn't...
10/06/2008 21:02:51 ‹Eyebite› James> how do the modules go from concept to execution - do you guys call a freelancer/writer you like and tell them what you want, do they solicit Paizo with an idea, or both?
10/06/2008 21:02:59 ‹Mad Geologist› Rambling Scribe: I know it's Vrocks only in 3.5
10/06/2008 21:03:17 ‹cpt_kirstov› who's articles are they working on for the book rright now -ith that all star cast..
10/06/2008 21:03:21 ‹Hill Giant› (I got a Vrock...)
10/06/2008 21:03:27 ‹Pete› I'm runnin D3 and Demons are fun!
10/06/2008 21:03:37 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Mothman!
10/06/2008 21:03:41 ‹Mad Geologist› Rambling Scribe: Owing to the break in my editions (I skipped 3.0) I have no idea whether the 3.0 succubi had balor capabilitiers.
10/06/2008 21:03:51 ‹Pete› Who'da thunk people are paizo know anything about Demons? har.
10/06/2008 21:04:07 ‹Rambling Scribe› I think they did, but I don't have the 3.0 MM
10/06/2008 21:04:13 ‹Mad Geologist› Not unless it's in something like Savage species which I may have around (if that was a 3.0 book which I did pick up)
10/06/2008 21:04:44 ‹Yoda8myhead› speaking of demons, the Pathfinder Wiki got flagged by some web filters as being "cult/occult" because of the presence of "magic", "demon" and "devil".
10/06/2008 21:04:45 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> For modules, we generally come up with the title and the basic plot, and then that usually helps us pick out a writer who we think'll be good with that particular plot. We offer the job to that writer, and assuming he takes the job, he writes it, we develop/edit it, and pow! Module!
10/06/2008 21:05:00 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Hill Giant - lame ghost costume or not, you gotta respect the blockhead summoning a vrock
10/06/2008 21:05:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› I seem to remember that coming up as a possibilit in a game I ran and being astounded because of the CR difference.
10/06/2008 21:05:10 ‹James Jacobs› We also often ask our standard authors for module ideas now and then, though.
10/06/2008 21:05:11 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: When Pathfinder RPG PCs confront non pathfinder monsters, how much should the CR of the monsters be reduced by?
10/06/2008 21:05:13 ‹Pete› James: So, has anyone talked to you about the new Red Hand of Doom ? Anything ? A chat over beer? What should we do here?
10/06/2008 21:05:21 ‹Eyebite› Cool. I always wondered how the process went
10/06/2008 21:05:48 ‹James Jacobs› Succubi could indeed summon balors in 3.0. That was actually an import from 1st and 2nd edition, when the power level between a succubus and a balor was MUCH less vast.
10/06/2008 21:05:55 ‹Mad Geologist› Yoda: I get some weird 'dating' results coming up on my filters because of RPG terminology.
10/06/2008 21:06:01 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> YAY! Cult!
10/06/2008 21:06:09 ‹James Jacobs› Does that mean tax breaks?
10/06/2008 21:06:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› no, it means I can't access it at work!
10/06/2008 21:07:11 ‹cpt_kirstov› haha - I told you the work filter was goig to figure out how to stop you!
10/06/2008 21:07:15 ‹Daigle› That sucks, yoda!
10/06/2008 21:07:18 ‹Mad Geologist›
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10/06/2008 21:07:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Honestly? Don't change the CR at all. The power difference between a Pathfinder RPG PC and a non-Pathfinder monster isn't as big as most people think. ALSO: CRs are WAY more poorly assigned than people might think. If you're running a PFRPG playtest and a monster that shoulda been a pushover or a tough fight isn't... make a note and post to the boards.
10/06/2008 21:07:50 ‹Mothman› James, at one of these chats a while back, I asked you if there was any significance to the “Travelling Man Inn” depicted in PF7 cover art. Your answer was “not at this stage, but ask me again in 6 months.” It’s six months tomorrow, so I’m asking again – has this crept in to any of the adventures in the path to date or anything?
10/06/2008 21:07:57 ‹Yoda8myhead› I actually called the company that tagged it that and acted all official as an "administrator of a resource supporting the publishing indusrty" to get them to change it
10/06/2008 21:08:04 ‹Yoda8myhead› and they're working on it
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10/06/2008 21:08:32 ‹Pete› Yoda makes his bluff check
10/06/2008 21:08:34 ‹Eyebite› Damn, good eye Moth. And good memory.
10/06/2008 21:08:54 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> No one from WotC has talked to me about the new Dungeon AP at all. I first heard rumors about it through the grapevine since some of the authors on that project are also some of the authors I use, but didn't really know any of the details until they posted on their site.
10/06/2008 21:09:14 * Mad Geologist wonders when Watcher wll arrive... r if Watcher is even here already....
10/06/2008 21:09:13 ‹Pete› schade, schade
10/06/2008 21:09:31 ‹Daigle› Howdy Knight
10/06/2008 21:09:45 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> No significance to the "Travelling Man Inn." The Inn is IN (ha!) the city, but nothing ever really happens there in the adventure path.
10/06/2008 21:09:46 ‹Mad Geologist› Good evening KnightErrantJR
10/06/2008 21:09:58 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› I think it's a bit nutty and too ambitious for a company that hasn't pulled off even a Shackled City yet, but good luck
10/06/2008 21:10:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hello all
10/06/2008 21:10:30 ‹Pete› Hola KEJR
10/06/2008 21:10:32 ‹Pygon› hi Knight
10/06/2008 21:10:42 ‹CD Lunching› g'day KnightErrantJR,
10/06/2008 21:11:11 ‹CD Lunching› oh well back to working and lurking
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10/06/2008 21:11:39 ‹Pete› James: I hope it is at least a little flattering that they chose RHOD to sequel. I was glad of that, the original was one of my favorites.
10/06/2008 21:11:55 ‹Pygon› running it now myself. Finally.
10/06/2008 21:11:55 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Do you think that Wizards of the Coast/hasbro (or other companies in the industry) are benefitting (in terms of improving their own techniques for R & D) by watching Paizo's open playtest? (I don't see this as a problem myself, if it helps everyone improve their products)
10/06/2008 21:11:56 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah... I'm VERY interested to see how their 18-part campaign goes. It's a hard thing to make happen. It's even HARDER to make it good enoguh to keep the readers' attentions and interests that long. We always saw pretty significant drop-offs for the 12 parters, which is the main reason we dropped down to 6 part ones. Also: It'll be interesting to see how the Elsir Vale area develops...
10/06/2008 21:12:27 ‹James Jacobs› It is flattering that they chose Red Hand as the inspiration for the AP... and it's honestly kind of flattering that they're even DOING an AP.
10/06/2008 21:12:42 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 21:12:48 ‹James Jacobs› Which is why I'm so keen on seeing how it pans out.
10/06/2008 21:12:58 ‹Pygon› I like strings of adventures that have a cohesion to them
10/06/2008 21:13:07 ‹James Jacobs› But also a little weirded out. In the same way the new Yeenoghu Demonomicon of Iggwilv sort of weirded me out.
10/06/2008 21:13:07 ‹Absinth› James, the later issues of the Dungeon APs didn't sell as good as the early parts?
10/06/2008 21:13:10 ‹Urza› james.. i was thinking about getting some of the Compleat Encounters, i was wondering, will they find their way into the APs and other products?.. like Dark Elf Sanctum would hopefully find it's way into Second Darkness some how.. second... why would anyone buy these minatures seperately! it's a steal to get them as part of the Encounters!
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10/06/2008 21:13:54 ‹Mad Geologist› .
10/06/2008 21:14:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ack . . . lets hope this is more stable now
10/06/2008 21:14:33 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, can you say when the next products are going to announced (like PF's beyond 17)?
10/06/2008 21:14:47 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> I have no idea if WotC's watching what we're doing with the PFRPG playtest. I assume they probably are, but they haven't really talked to us much at all (certainly not to me, apart from a few emails here and there and some chats at Gen Con) about stuff. I suspect mostly because they were so overwhelmed with getting 4E off the ground.
10/06/2008 21:14:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Okay, lets try the question again . . .
10/06/2008 21:15:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, any idea if the Guide to the Darklands is going to have information on Duergar/Derro/standard dwarves?
10/06/2008 21:15:43 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Nope. The APs always started out VERY strong, but as they went on, it's just natural that you'd have people losing interest. That happens with pretty much everything that's serialized, with some obvious exceptions.
10/06/2008 21:15:56 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: I notice that Rodney posts on the Paizo boards, so is presumably gving his views back at HQ on if he thinks there are good dieas for R & D to use in how they develop an edition....
10/06/2008 21:16:14 ‹Absinth› The chat's working really good for me since Lilith and her team improved the performance. I have about no lag here, even with that many ppl posting. Thanks!
10/06/2008 21:16:21 ‹James Jacobs› That's not to say that the later AP issues were failures, though. They were still quite good sellers... MUCH better than issues without AP installments in them.
10/06/2008 21:16:32 ‹Mad Geologist› I realise intellectual property issues may be of some concern to the Hasbro legal department, however.
10/06/2008 21:17:01 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Dark Elf Sanctum probably won't make it into the AP... but I'm pretty sure the Horned Demon will. Other Compleat Encounters will pop up now and then, though.
10/06/2008 21:17:06 ‹Absinth› James, did this happen with RotRL too?
10/06/2008 21:17:23 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> I suspect that the next wave of products will be announced near Gen Con. MAYBE near Origins.
10/06/2008 21:17:42 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, thanks
10/06/2008 21:18:03 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, are you allowed to give rough numbers on circulation? I have been wondering how many people are really buying Paizo stuff, as my view of the success is probably tainted by my own involvement in the fan community
10/06/2008 21:18:18 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I do. I'm writing half of the Darklands book (Greg Vaughan's writing the other half). There will be a fair amount about derro AND duergar in there. Not that much about dwarves though, since they pretty much moved OUT of the Darklands 9500 years or so ago...
10/06/2008 21:19:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . but they DID have some influence. Good to know there will be some dark dwarf goodness though, thanks James
10/06/2008 21:19:13 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Rodney's a great guy! He's good friends with Jason Bulmahn; I believe they game together now and then.
10/06/2008 21:19:25 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 21:19:29 ‹James Jacobs› It's true! The chat room works Awesome! Yay, Lilith!!
10/06/2008 21:19:47 ‹Daigle› Lilz rocks!
10/06/2008 21:19:53 ‹Urza› Rodney's great.. i know him from before he made it big!
10/06/2008 21:20:02 ‹Lilith› If any of you are in Vegas, give kudos to Presence, my hoster. He switched the chatroom to a bigger better faster stronger server.
10/06/2008 21:20:04 * Pete2 joins Main
10/06/2008 21:20:06 ‹Lilith› And thanks guys!
10/06/2008 21:20:10 ‹James Jacobs› A little, yeah. But then things picked right up even better than before with Curse of the Crimson Throne.
10/06/2008 21:20:27 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder seems a LOT more stable than Dungeon, overall... <crosses fingers>
10/06/2008 21:20:44 ‹Pygon› Drow seems like another good bet for the next Path
10/06/2008 21:20:46 ‹Skeld› hmmm ... that's impressive
10/06/2008 21:20:55 ‹Mothman› Thankyou Lilith (and Presence), it certainly is working much better
10/06/2008 21:20:58 ‹Pygon› and I get to read the next one too!
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10/06/2008 21:21:30 ‹cpt_kirstov› Random question - both about the team and those in the room - any other scouts here (in between catching up I'm reading a book on eagle scouts)
10/06/2008 21:21:45 ‹Yoda8myhead› I'm an Eagle
10/06/2008 21:22:03 ‹Daigle› I'm an Owlbear Scout!
10/06/2008 21:22:04 ‹Yoda8myhead› I can do flying skirmish damage
10/06/2008 21:22:09 ‹Skeld› i was a scout, not an eagle, but that was 20 years ago
10/06/2008 21:22:14 ‹Urza› well Dungeon suffered IMHO because of the content.. unless something specific caught my eye, unless Forgotten Realms was in it, I didn't buy it
10/06/2008 21:22:17 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I can't really give out actual numbers (that's Erik's and Lisa's territory), but I can say that Pathfinder's doing VERY VERY well. As far as RPG sales are concerned... I'd be comfortable classifying it as a "smash hit." The other books are doing pretty good too... Classic Monsters, for example, sold out VERY FAST. Which is awesome. Overall? Pathfinder stuff is selling VERY well.
10/06/2008 21:22:18 ‹Lilith› I'm a cookie scout!
10/06/2008 21:22:30 ‹cpt_kirstov› once a scout - always a scout
10/06/2008 21:22:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs,
10/06/2008 21:22:32 ‹Eyebite› Uh...I think I made it to Wolf badge in cub scouts...
10/06/2008 21:22:36 ‹Lilith› That's always good to hear James.
10/06/2008 21:22:53 ‹Yoda8myhead› good news
10/06/2008 21:22:57 ‹Yoda8myhead› thanks James
10/06/2008 21:22:59 ‹Pygon› Good, maybe you guys can slow down just a tad so you aren't running yourselves ragged
10/06/2008 21:23:09 ‹Pete2› I was a scout, my son was a scount, and my wife was a troop leader for girl scouts. tons of cookies!
10/06/2008 21:23:28 ‹Urza› i don't trust sell out and sold out numbers.. wizard of the coast claims 4e sold out.. yet my bookstores and game stores have TONS of untouched product
10/06/2008 21:23:31 ‹Pete2› Yah on PF sales!
10/06/2008 21:23:38 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Dungeon also suffered for being a magazine. Magazines are a TERRIBLE business model.
10/06/2008 21:23:38 ‹Urza› no offense james
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10/06/2008 21:23:54 ‹Pete2› "sold out" means distributors
10/06/2008 21:24:03 ‹Pygon› hi David
10/06/2008 21:24:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› So, now that dwarves are out of the way, any svirfneblin goodness . . . given that gnomes have kind of a special place in Golarion, how do the deep gnomes fit in?
10/06/2008 21:24:07 ‹Pete2› not in stores
10/06/2008 21:24:12 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Come June 14th... I hope I HOPE it'll slow down.
10/06/2008 21:24:13 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Long term, any hopes for a partnership with WotC? Maybe they allow you to use 'D & D' trademarks, in return for a (no strings attached) license fee?
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10/06/2008 21:24:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› do did CMR do well enough that we'll see more like it?
10/06/2008 21:24:29 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Exactly. "Sold out" means not what most folk think it means.
10/06/2008 21:25:00 ‹Pete2› MG: "We have to see the GSL first" (how'd I do?)
10/06/2008 21:25:01 ‹Skeld› i would imagine the gazetteer is selling well too
10/06/2008 21:25:05 ‹Mr Baron› I am guessing that Paizo does quite a bit of business direct with end customers
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10/06/2008 21:25:09 ‹David› Pygon, could you email me a chat log again?
10/06/2008 21:25:12 ‹Urza› Pete2, still means nothing Pete.. if the distributors didn't have a lot of extra to begin with
10/06/2008 21:25:20 ‹Pygon› tonite's? sure
10/06/2008 21:25:27 ‹David› thanks
10/06/2008 21:25:40 ‹James Jacobs› Sold out IS a good example of a healthy business at the front end, though, since that means that distribution picks up a lot of product and gets it into stores. But for us, since a siginficant portion are self-distributied through our web store and/or subscription sales... Sold Out means a lot of them actually ARE in the hands of readers.
10/06/2008 21:25:56 ‹Mothman› James, not sure how much you were across the Gazetter – but I noticed that Shoanti are not included in the list of races, or the list of languages. Would this be because the Shoanti are a pretty small and isolated group as far as the world at large goes? Or have the Shoanti now been “officially” rolled into another racial group, like the Varisians or the Kellid?
10/06/2008 21:25:57 ‹cpt_kirstov› I'm still watching for that globe that we were told might be thought of if the gazeteer sold well enough
10/06/2008 21:26:00 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 21:26:02 ‹Pete2› if there's still alot on the shelves it means the distributors and stores overbought
10/06/2008 21:26:17 ‹Skeld› all the pathfinder materials are first rate; i look forward to moving my group there once we've completed STAP
10/06/2008 21:26:19 ‹Pete2› the ads this week might pick it up a bit. but i dunno
10/06/2008 21:26:42 ‹James Jacobs› Kight> Yes, there will be svirfneblin in "Into the Darklands." They're basically the only "good guy" race living in the middle realm of the Darklands... and sort of the ones, as a result, who are always at odds with the drow.
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10/06/2008 21:29:29 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: I ask, since I'm wondering what Wizards of the Coast will be looking at in terms of sales i how the products are doing in 6 months time... I like to guess at things sometimes (even occasionally optimistically!)
10/06/2008 21:29:31 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> That's because the Shoanti are pretty much only in Varisia. They're VERY localized, and not really world-spanning enough to be a MAJOR ethnicity. For the most part, they're a mix of Varisian, Kellid, Ulfen, and a tiny bit of Azlant.
10/06/2008 21:29:36 ‹Urza› Skeld, software partnership... wtf? what is wizards going to do for software.. their software sucks.. besides.. hasbro sold the rights to all electronics products to Infogrames.. wizards has to pay Infogrames just to do this virtual table.. it's funny
10/06/2008 21:30:14 * Lilith is done with her picture!
10/06/2008 21:30:22 ‹Daigle› Yay!
10/06/2008 21:30:29 ‹Hill Giant›
10/06/2008 21:30:29 ‹Skeld› Urza, I mean Sw devs partnering with Paizo for official products ....
10/06/2008 21:30:37 ‹James Jacobs› Shoanti being left off the list of languages was an oversight, though. Partially because the folk in charge of the Gazetteer weren't as deeply immersed in Pathfinder's AP, basically. It's weird. The world out there has seen a LOT of Varisia, and some people still think Varisia is the name of our planet. But it's actually only a part of the world at large.
10/06/2008 21:30:39 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: I think on the boards, two of he Paizo regular, Firbolg and Freehold DM, were thinking of getting together and producing a Golarion (web?) comic.
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10/06/2008 21:31:01 ‹Skeld› Urza, it would seem i was unclear
10/06/2008 21:31:21 ‹Urza› Skeld, i'd rather Paizo got in bed with Bioware
10/06/2008 21:31:25 ‹Uzzy› Upload it, Lilith!
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10/06/2008 21:31:46 ‹Blazej› No picture for you.
10/06/2008 21:31:55 ‹Uzzy› Noooooo!
10/06/2008 21:32:05 ‹Yoda8myhead› now that's just mean
10/06/2008 21:32:11 * Pete3 joins Main
10/06/2008 21:32:14 * cpt_kirstov needs sleep but doesn't want to loose his star
10/06/2008 21:32:20 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> Svirfneblin are in the SRD. So, sort of. They have nondetection and bonuses to Hide.
10/06/2008 21:32:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› pete is cloning himself
10/06/2008 21:32:45 ‹David› ha
10/06/2008 21:32:48 ‹Absinth›
10/06/2008 21:33:06 ‹Urza› his girl friend must love that
10/06/2008 21:33:10 ‹Mad Geologist› Cosmo cloned himself I think...
10/06/2008 21:33:21 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pete2 was killed by the computer for treason and has been replace by Pete3
10/06/2008 21:33:21 ‹David› hed need to
10/06/2008 21:33:28 ‹Mad Geologist› It was raised on one of the threads, where Sebastian was posting....
10/06/2008 21:33:58 ‹Pete3› Pete is t-t-t-timing out alot
10/06/2008 21:34:00 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Paizo benefits most from subscription sales. I suspect next most from paizo.com sales. But that said... buying Paizo stuff at a FLGS is awesome too, since that encourages stores (and thus distirbutors) to carry our products... and that's kinda like advertising, since other gamers see them on the shelves.
10/06/2008 21:34:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thanks James. It will be interesting to see the Pathfinder take on the little buggers.
10/06/2008 21:34:08 ‹Lilith› cpt_kristov - I'll give it back in the morning.
10/06/2008 21:34:16 ‹Pete3› Girlfriend does, wife not so much.
10/06/2008 21:34:42 ‹Pygon› ok, thanks I do get the PDFs from your store too, so wooo
10/06/2008 21:34:49 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, i just noticed Harsk and Ezren on the shelf at my closest BAM location a couple weeks ago
10/06/2008 21:34:50 * Mad Geologist times out to empty his Page files....
10/06/2008 21:35:09 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> Software partnerships! Those are cool! Stay tuned on that front...
10/06/2008 21:35:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs,
10/06/2008 21:35:26 ‹Skeld› there's also a new comic/game store opening in my area ... ihope the do more than mtg
10/06/2008 21:35:30 ‹Absinth› Thanks for the answers to the summoning question folks! The background is, that I wondered if this mechanic isn't something like a perpetual motion machine that would cause lots of outsiders running around in the world after one got summoned, because each summoned outsider could gate in others that could gate in others and so on. I wondered if this is something that should be changed in PFRPG.
10/06/2008 21:35:34 ‹Skeld› sweet
10/06/2008 21:35:34 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> As far as I know, the Free RPG day module will be going to all the stores doing it... but they may not have enough to go around.
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10/06/2008 21:35:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› I may have to switch from subscribing to buying locally with the increase in international shipping rates.
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10/06/2008 21:36:11 ‹Absinth› Where are you from, RS?
10/06/2008 21:36:12 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, is the free rpg day module going to be sold in the webstore also?
10/06/2008 21:36:22 ‹Eyebite› This is why it pays to befriend the owner of your local FLGS, so they save you a copy . . .
10/06/2008 21:36:22 ‹Pete3› I primarily do pdf now. it saves on shipping and I have been requested to buy less "made in china" by da wife.
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10/06/2008 21:36:46 ‹Yoda8myhead› Paizo is made in Seattle
10/06/2008 21:36:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Absinth: I'm from Canada.
10/06/2008 21:37:02 ‹Skeld› just printed in china
10/06/2008 21:37:08 ‹Mothman› Printed in china
10/06/2008 21:37:14 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Svirfneblin are still a kind of gnome, yes.
10/06/2008 21:37:18 * Yoda8myhead notes that we should send pizza to the printers in China sometime to get them to get PF10 to us sooner
10/06/2008 21:37:45 ‹Eyebite› That would be one hell of a delivery charge
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10/06/2008 21:38:01 ‹Pete3› yah, she read "living a year without made in china"
10/06/2008 21:38:04 ‹Daigle› It'd be cold by the time it got there too
10/06/2008 21:38:18 ‹Skeld› Pete3, can you do that?
10/06/2008 21:38:20 ‹Lilith› Okay, FAN SERVICE time! http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs3...oon.png Not Safe For Work
10/06/2008 21:38:24 ‹Pygon› that or heat lamp nasty.
10/06/2008 21:38:27 ‹Pete3› it's really *hard*
10/06/2008 21:38:31 ‹Uzzy› Hurray!
10/06/2008 21:38:36 ‹Uzzy› That's awesome, Lilith
10/06/2008 21:38:53 * Yoda8myhead is speachless
10/06/2008 21:39:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not safe for wife either, heh . . .
10/06/2008 21:39:13 ‹Daigle› I love lines out of context!
10/06/2008 21:39:20 ‹Skeld› KnightErrantJR, no fooling
10/06/2008 21:39:25 ‹Eyebite› Kind of reminds me of the time my grandmother sent me a cookie in the mail. No note, no explanation,,..she just put a raisin oatmeal cookie in an envelope and sent it to me b/c she thought I'd like it. She was a little senile
10/06/2008 21:39:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle, thank you for saying that for me.
10/06/2008 21:39:38 ‹Pete3› James: so the svirfneblin are "good" or just "neutral" ?
10/06/2008 21:40:09 ‹Daigle› The one from last night was "Hobos are related to recluses."
10/06/2008 21:40:11 ‹Lilith› "Any naughty thoughts are solely the property of the viewer."
10/06/2008 21:40:11 ‹Hill Giant› The eternal conflict between good and neutral
10/06/2008 21:40:27 ‹Pete3› I always played them as strongly neutral. out for #1
10/06/2008 21:40:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Go to beige alert.
10/06/2008 21:40:56 ‹Mothman› Lilith, awesome! Safe for work if the boss is not standing behind you (or likes a bit of lesbian action) FYI
21:41:19 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> Excellent! Harsk and Ezren are both readers! They'd like BAM!
10/06/2008 21:41:32 ‹Lilith› Mothman, didn't want to make assumptions...and I've gotten fussed at over it before.
10/06/2008 21:41:42 ‹Urza› lol james is REALLY falling behind
10/06/2008 21:41:54 ‹Pete3› Lord knows nothin sells rpg's like girl on girl action. sigh.
10/06/2008 21:42:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its is a stunning picture Lilith . . . but that's from looking at it the other night rather than tonight with my dear wife next to me in bed . . .
10/06/2008 21:42:18 ‹Pygon› he's speechless
10/06/2008 21:42:30 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> I'm not sure if the free RPG day module will be sold online. I suspect yes.
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10/06/2008 21:42:49 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR,
10/06/2008 21:43:14 ‹James Jacobs› HAHAHAH! Awesome picture, Lilith!
10/06/2008 21:43:38 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, now you get to find your tattoos.
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10/06/2008 21:43:40 ‹Urza› Skeld, i'm pretty sure that lisa or someone said on the forums that 1.5 would be in the store after free rpg day
10/06/2008 21:43:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› After the way James just responded, I've got to wonder now if a magic 8 ball has ever appeared as a magic item, heh
10/06/2008 21:43:43 ‹Yoda8myhead› Vic has said that D1.5 will be on the store
10/06/2008 21:44:02 ‹Skeld› very good
10/06/2008 21:44:08 ‹Absinth› Lilith, that's done very well! May I suggest making the demon arm a little lighter? It kinda melts into the background and at first it looks like she's missing an arm.
10/06/2008 21:44:49 ‹James Jacobs› Pete3> Svirfneblin are going to be Neutral (good tendencies)
10/06/2008 21:45:03 ‹Lilith› Absinth, point...
10/06/2008 21:45:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Continuing the dwarven theme tonight . . . James, any thoughts on having a dwarven BBEG at any point in time in one of the Adventure Paths?
10/06/2008 21:45:06 * Lilith goes to fiddle with it.
10/06/2008 21:45:20 ‹Lilith› I think dwarven paladins get to ride armadillos and pangolins.
10/06/2008 21:45:22 * Samwise joins Main
10/06/2008 21:45:27 ‹Daigle› Svirfneblin are great little entrenched survivors.
10/06/2008 21:45:38 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sam
10/06/2008 21:45:53 ‹Samwise› howdy
10/06/2008 21:45:56 ‹Samwise› or feh
10/06/2008 21:45:59 ‹Samwise› one of those
10/06/2008 21:46:05 ‹James Jacobs› ...mmm...tattoos...
10/06/2008 21:46:13 ‹Daigle› I'll take whichever.
10/06/2008 21:46:16 ‹Daigle›
10/06/2008 21:46:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've always liked picturing them with all sorts of collective ritual magic (maybe some deep gnome specific incantations?) to protect themselves from the nasty things around them.
10/06/2008 21:46:34 ‹Urza› lilith you'd ruined james for the rest of the night
10/06/2008 21:46:40 ‹Uzzy› Who's next, Lilith? Queen Ileosa?
10/06/2008 21:46:43 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, who wrote LB2?
10/06/2008 21:46:45 ‹Lilith› Urza, I know...I'm horrible.
10/06/2008 21:46:53 ‹Urza› and if he shares that with the rest of the guys working over night.. oye.. they won't get any work done
10/06/2008 21:46:56 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› It is Samwise the Gagged!
10/06/2008 21:47:02 ‹Lilith› Uzzy, dunno yet.
10/06/2008 21:47:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› ::sigh:: Ileosa . . . evil, but worth it . . . heh . . .
10/06/2008 21:47:12 ‹Daigle› The nondetection ability makes me think of resistance fighters living right under the nose of oppressors.
10/06/2008 21:47:17 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I suppose that a dwarven BBEG isn't completely out of the picture. That'd have to get by my general disinterest and antipathy against dwarves a little... but anything's possible!
10/06/2008 21:47:27 ‹Daigle› Little grey strike forces!
10/06/2008 21:47:30 ‹Samwise› Russ>the what? the who? did i miss something?
10/06/2008 21:47:35 ‹Mothman› Lilith: you're right - best to err on the side of caution. It's a really well done picture
10/06/2008 21:47:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I believe that LB2 is written by Anson Caralya.
10/06/2008 21:47:54 ‹Eyebite› James> Who created Harsk? He certainly breaks the standard dwarven mold
10/06/2008 21:47:59 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Obmi was a pretty cool dwarven villain
10/06/2008 21:48:02 ‹Pete3› Return of Kazmogen!
10/06/2008 21:48:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› So what about a dwarven cleric lich of Droskar seeking to drive his fellows even beyond death with an army of undead dwarves?
10/06/2008 21:48:07 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Samwise> The unlifted NDA!
10/06/2008 21:48:12 ‹Mothman› Samwise the "can't talk due to NDA" ?
10/06/2008 21:48:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Or something like that . . .heh
10/06/2008 21:48:21 * Samwise shrugs
10/06/2008 21:48:34 ‹Skeld› Eyebite, yes he does, but very little sense of humor ... at least from my dealings with him at BAM
10/06/2008 21:48:43 ‹Samwise› thats just to express my distaste for wotc's reversal
10/06/2008 21:48:51 * Mad Geologist joins Main
10/06/2008 21:49:03 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> I wrote up the description for Harsk, Wayne Reynolds painted him, James Sutter wrote his backstory.
10/06/2008 21:49:11 ‹James Jacobs› Obmi!
10/06/2008 21:49:14 ‹James Jacobs› HA! YES!
10/06/2008 21:49:18 ‹Mothman› James, a Golarion time line question – we’re at about 4700 years from the founding of Absalom … and in that time it seems (from the information we have) that some nations have changed very little in that time, either as far as their culture, national focus, technology level etc. Nex, Geb, The Linnorm Kings, Osiron to some extent all come to mind. Also, in a similar time period (well, a much
10/06/2008 21:49:38 ‹Eyebite› Who needs a sense of humor when you're a badass with a crossbow? I think of Harsk as being kind of a hairy, sawed off Clint Eastwood
10/06/2008 21:49:41 ‹Samwise› Russ>you are just as gagged, so . . .
10/06/2008 21:49:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I also found out that you used the name "Lonjiku" before in a non-Pathfinder Paizo product.
10/06/2008 21:49:47 ‹James Jacobs› Just mentioning the Dwarf Obmi's name makes the likelihood of a dwarf BBEG MUCH more likely. NOt for AP3 or AP4. Those BBEGs are picked out already.
10/06/2008 21:49:50 ‹Mothman› Russ, remind me who Obmi was?
10/06/2008 21:49:58 * Pete3 wonders if anyone buys wotc pizza?
10/06/2008 21:50:07 ‹Yoda8myhead› no, pete
10/06/2008 21:50:10 ‹Skeld› Eyebite, Lem must sure have some fun with him
10/06/2008 21:50:34 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Your question never quite finished up, did it?
10/06/2008 21:50:50 ‹Pygon› "You find a dwarf in a cell" "KILL IT!"
10/06/2008 21:50:52 * Pete3 is sad for wotc and their lack of fans. or fans able to buy that much pizza.
10/06/2008 21:50:55 ‹Mothman› no ... not sure what happened,....
10/06/2008 21:50:58 * Yoda8myhead thinks that there should be a PF superstar contest to write Valeros's backstory
10/06/2008 21:51:14 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Probably because "Lonjiku" was the name of my samurai wannabe character in Matt Sernett's OA campaign back in 2002.
10/06/2008 21:51:19 ‹Mothman› Question continued: Also, in a similar time period (well, a much longer time period in fact), Varisia remained “undiscovered”. Wow. That’s some cultural stagnation …
10/06/2008 21:51:23 ‹James Jacobs› Where's the other place I used it
10/06/2008 21:51:31 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Mothamn - Obmi was an evil dwarf in the Gord the Rogue series, and also the Iuz the Evil accessory as I recall
10/06/2008 21:51:46 ‹Mothman› James, and even finished its not really a question I just realised: More an observation
10/06/2008 21:52:00 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, hillfolk guard for "Flood Season" in Shackled City.
10/06/2008 21:52:03 ‹James Jacobs› Varisia is far away from where everything was happening. And it wasn't undiscovered by the Varisians.
10/06/2008 21:52:10 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Oh, and I think Obmi also made an appearance in G3?
10/06/2008 21:52:11 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: what is the name of the cntient of which Varisia is a part, by the way?
10/06/2008 21:52:15 ‹Pygon› if I recall correctly, his first appearance was in the Fire Giant adventure from years ago where he pretended to be an imprisoned prince but later turns on the party
10/06/2008 21:52:22 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Ah! Weird place for me to use that name. Hmm.
10/06/2008 21:52:28 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Of course you can't talk about Obmi without mentioning HEHEHEHEHE Keak
10/06/2008 21:52:31 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, Mothman, I also noticed there wasn't any real information in the gazetteer on the rise of thassilon and azlant
10/06/2008 21:52:32 ‹Hill Giant› Yoda8myhead, "Once there were three girls, with three very different backgrounds... Now they work for me. My name is Valeros"
10/06/2008 21:52:35 ‹Mad Geologist› Continent, even.
10/06/2008 21:52:46 ‹Yoda8myhead› MG, it's Avistan
10/06/2008 21:52:49 ‹Lilith› Absinth: Fixed arm. Should be brighter.
10/06/2008 21:52:51 ‹Samwise› obmi was in G3
10/06/2008 21:52:53 ‹Eyebite› Hill Giant has already won the contest. Heh
10/06/2008 21:52:56 ‹Samwise› he was not in G1
10/06/2008 21:53:00 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup; he was in G3.
10/06/2008 21:53:06 ‹Daigle› Well done HG!
10/06/2008 21:53:07 ‹Samwise› which is not the Steading of the Hill Giant Chieftain
10/06/2008 21:53:12 ‹Samwise› WotC typos aside
10/06/2008 21:53:19 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Varisia is on the continent of Avistan.
10/06/2008 21:53:29 ‹Mad Geologist› Ah....
10/06/2008 21:53:47 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› And Grugnir was NOT named Jarl
10/06/2008 21:53:48 * Mad Geologist makes careful note...
10/06/2008 21:54:02 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> There wasn't room for Azlant or Thassilon in the Gazetter. There will be some info in the Hardcover Campaign Setting though. Not MUCH more... but some.
10/06/2008 21:54:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› And speaking of gnomes, I was glad to see Spriggans mentioned in the Gazetteer.
10/06/2008 21:54:20 * Urza notes Avistan down hoping it becomes as famous as Faerun one day
10/06/2008 21:54:37 ‹David› James Jacobs, could you tell us anything about the blue creatures on the coveer of Pathfinder 14? http://paizo.com/image/product...00.jpeg
10/06/2008 21:54:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› And less battered . . .
10/06/2008 21:54:42 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, will there be anything on Arcadia or the other continents?
10/06/2008 21:54:49 ‹Mad Geologist› Urza: You can include that fact in your atlas!
10/06/2008 21:54:50 * Nickname? quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 21:55:07 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Who said Grugnir's name was Jarl?
10/06/2008 21:55:11 ‹Skeld› good night everyone ... it's getting last CST
10/06/2008 21:55:15 ‹Urza› Mad Geologist, i plan on reworking the menu to include it's name
10/06/2008 21:55:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Skeld
10/06/2008 21:55:24 ‹Skeld› err... CDT that is
10/06/2008 21:55:29 ‹Mad Geologist› Urza; Yay
10/06/2008 21:55:30 ‹Eyebite› Night Skeld
10/06/2008 21:55:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, it is, but I took tomorrow off work, hooray!
10/06/2008 21:55:42 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Skeld
10/06/2008 21:55:51 ‹Mad Geologist› urza: Then all you have to do is check where the official boundaries of it are
10/06/2008 21:55:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, not that much of a hooray . . . step son has surgery tomorrow, but its not until the afternoon . . .
10/06/2008 21:55:59 ‹Pete3› James: Have you ever, for even a minute, considered having a 13 foot Golem at Neumo's?
10/06/2008 21:56:00 ‹Mothman› James: yeah, re Varisia's "discovery" - I just found it a bit weird that, for example the Linnorm Kings had colonies in Arcadia in -400 or so, but neither them nor any of the big empires rising and falling relatively nearby (Cheliax, Taldor) "discovered" or atempted to settle Varisia for another 3000 + years. Geographic isolation? Hostile natives? Some other reason?
10/06/2008 21:56:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There's a bit about Arcadia and the other continents yes. About 4 or 6 pages.
10/06/2008 21:56:12 ‹Rambling Scribe› David: I think those are replacer beasts...
10/06/2008 21:56:29 ‹Daigle› :rimshot:
10/06/2008 21:56:29 * Skeld quit
10/06/2008 21:56:33 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, can't use displacer beasts...
10/06/2008 21:56:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like that name!
10/06/2008 21:56:37 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 21:56:41 ‹Eyebite› heh
10/06/2008 21:56:52 ‹Yoda8myhead› lilith, reread that line
10/06/2008 21:56:57 ‹Absinth› Lilith, I can see no difference, though I may empty the image caché...
10/06/2008 21:56:58 ‹Lilith› Yoda8myhead, dur.
10/06/2008 21:56:59 ‹James Jacobs› David> Those blue creatures on the cover of Pathfinder 14 are aliens. MEAN AND ANGRY aliens. Note: The fight is taking place in a Tunguska-style crater...
10/06/2008 21:57:03 ‹Pete3› I like datplacer
10/06/2008 21:57:03 ‹Urza› james, wow 4-6 is more then the 1/2 wizards devoted to the non-faerun continents in the 3.5 campaign setting.. awesome
10/06/2008 21:57:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Strike that, reverse it . . . "
10/06/2008 21:57:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, oh my!
10/06/2008 21:57:22 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: we have been ing you hard.... any questions for us?
10/06/2008 21:58:03 ‹Urza› he probably wants to know when we'll be sending more pizza
10/06/2008 21:58:11 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 21:58:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
10/06/2008 21:58:26 ‹David› ha
10/06/2008 21:58:37 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Geographic Isolation. The mountains and orcs are in the way from the land, and from the sea, the country of Nidal is pretty spooky and scary, and the first thing you hit if you sail past that is probably a GIANT swamp.
10/06/2008 21:58:55 * Absinth quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 21:58:55 * Absinth quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 21:59:01 ‹James Jacobs› Rambling Scribe> HA! Replacer beasts.
10/06/2008 21:59:30 ‹Mothman› James: yeah ... that makes sense - I probably should look at the map and read the Gazetter together...
10/06/2008 21:59:39 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, will we see Golarion spread out like an orange peal in the campaign setting.. even if the land masses aren't detailed?
10/06/2008 21:59:45 ‹Lilith› Mothman, it's best that way I've found.
10/06/2008 21:59:57 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> I haven't really had time to stop and think about questions for you all, alas...
10/06/2008 22:00:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've done that before . . . not been able to really visualize something until I look at the map and reread it.
10/06/2008 22:00:40 * Lilith ponders queries for JJ.
10/06/2008 22:00:56 ‹Mothman› Lilith: Ideal yes ... I've been reading the gazetter on the bus, and its hard to spread out the map....
10/06/2008 22:01:04 ‹Lilith› Mothman, point.
10/06/2008 22:01:11 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Did Life in Cold Blood (the David Attenborough BBC documentary series about reptiles) find its way to a television near you yet?
10/06/2008 22:01:25 ‹Daigle› James, How large is the printed out map of the world y'all have there in the offices?
10/06/2008 22:01:26 ‹Pete3› Ask the old lady on the bus next to you to hold up the map
10/06/2008 22:01:37 ‹Mad Geologist› James jacobs: And how is your great film watching Quest?
10/06/2008 22:01:37 * Lilith cannot think of any questions as she was too busy drawing...
10/06/2008 22:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Nope; no orange peel maps of Golarion. Although you WILL see some images of Golarion from space before long... some Very VIOLENT images...
10/06/2008 22:01:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, do you know if any of your seminars at Gen Con will highlight the new Camaign Setting (I tried asking this before, and my connection got wonky on me, forgive me if it alredy came through)
10/06/2008 22:01:59 ‹Hill Giant› Well, I gotta go if I'm going to catch my movie. Bye, all. Thanks for taking the time out to chat, James.
10/06/2008 22:02:01 ‹Pete3› "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
10/06/2008 22:02:05 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Nope. Dang. How long is that series? Is it on DVD?
10/06/2008 22:02:05 ‹Mad Geologist› Urrgh. Aliens vs. predator II in Golarion.
10/06/2008 22:02:19 ‹Daigle› Bye Hill Giant!
10/06/2008 22:02:25 ‹Pygon› two moon mice ripping out each others' entrails fighting over cheese with Golarion rising peacefully over the horizon...
10/06/2008 22:02:28 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: I think it was five or six episodes.
10/06/2008 22:02:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night giant . . .
10/06/2008 22:02:36 ‹Urza› Mad Geologist, just as long as it has better acting
10/06/2008 22:02:48 * David quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:02:54 ‹Mad Geologist› Urza:
10/06/2008 22:02:58 * Lilith goes to get a slice of homemade cheesecake.
10/06/2008 22:03:04 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:03:13 * Pete3 wants some cheesecake too
10/06/2008 22:03:21 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle: The printed-out map we use here is the same size as the one you have if you bought the Gazetter.
10/06/2008 22:03:29 * Urza just had a slice of his birthday icecream cake
10/06/2008 22:03:37 ‹Eyebite› I'm heading out too. I have to finish a few things up - g'night all
10/06/2008 22:03:37 * Mad Geologist passes Lilith a to cut a slice of cheesecake.
10/06/2008 22:03:47 ‹Daigle› I imagined it huge taking up a whole wall or something.
10/06/2008 22:03:49 ‹Mad Geologist› Goodnight Eyebite.
10/06/2008 22:03:54 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> My film-watching quest is languishing, alas... althoguh a sub quest to see all the Friday the 13th movies by THIS Friday the 13th is certainly a possiblity.
10/06/2008 22:03:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Eye
10/06/2008 22:03:57 ‹Daigle› Take care Eyebite!
10/06/2008 22:04:02 ‹James Jacobs› I've only got parts 7, 9, and 10 to go.
10/06/2008 22:04:20 ‹Mad Geologist›
10/06/2008 22:04:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› how will you have time with all the work!?!
10/06/2008 22:04:33 ‹Urza› poor james
10/06/2008 22:04:34 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I'm 99.95% sure that we'll be talking a LOT about Golarion in our Gen Con seminars. yes.
10/06/2008 22:04:44 ‹Urza› i can't believe you put yourself through all those movies
10/06/2008 22:04:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› Jason in Manhattan rocks!
10/06/2008 22:04:58 ‹Urza› will you be including Jason-X in that marathon?
10/06/2008 22:05:03 ‹Pete3› Isn't that like, 27 minutes at this point?
10/06/2008 22:05:06 ‹Yoda8myhead› Jason goes to hell, not so much
10/06/2008 22:05:08 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:05:08 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:05:09 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> It's not Aliens vs. Predator on Golarion, never fear.
10/06/2008 22:05:14 ‹Mad Geologist› Urza: he des it to train himself up for the next Logue/Pett offerings.
10/06/2008 22:05:26 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: Phew. Relief.
10/06/2008 22:05:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I will probably be watching those movies at like 1 or 2 in the morning just before bed.
10/06/2008 22:06:03 ‹Pete3› A good night's sleep, guaranteed
10/06/2008 22:06:14 ‹Mr Baron› nite all!
10/06/2008 22:06:15 * ollibolli joins Main
10/06/2008 22:06:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› So James, any progress on Golarion Linnorms? I'd love to see another set of the critters since the "originals" are off limits.
10/06/2008 22:06:21 ‹Pygon› gnite Baron
10/06/2008 22:06:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Baron
10/06/2008 22:06:36 ‹Mad Geologist› Goodnight Baron
10/06/2008 22:06:56 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Ew. Those are some BAD movies.
10/06/2008 22:07:00 ‹James Jacobs› Part 10 = Jason X
10/06/2008 22:07:03 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Can't believe they're remaking the series.
10/06/2008 22:07:07 ‹Urza› ahh ok
10/06/2008 22:07:17 ‹Daigle› Night baron
10/06/2008 22:07:19 * Mr Baron quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:07:39 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli!
10/06/2008 22:07:49 ‹Mad Geologist› James Jacobs: Hold the presses on the Golarion hard-cover.... I don't think anyone asked Mike about unlucky days in the Golarion calendar in his holy days Batman thread.
22:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> There's a bit of "Night of the Creeps" and "Aliens" in there though, and also a little bit of the classic 50's movies where the alien comes to Earth in a falling meteor.
10/06/2008 22:07:58 ‹ollibolli› hi absinth, hello
10/06/2008 22:08:05 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> No progress on Golarion Linnorms yet.
10/06/2008 22:08:11 ‹Lilith› Mad Geologist, Unholy days are when there are two new moons in a month.
10/06/2008 22:08:11 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: There presumably are unlucky dates in Golarion?
10/06/2008 22:08:25 ‹Pete3› Night of the Creeps! Awesome! So there's a Sorority?
10/06/2008 22:08:30 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yeah... bad, but still entertaining.
10/06/2008 22:08:34 ‹Mad Geologist› Lilith: unlucky, for everyone generaly.
10/06/2008 22:08:34 ‹James Jacobs› Pete3> nope, alas.
10/06/2008 22:08:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah well . . . someday.
10/06/2008 22:08:47 ‹James Jacobs› Although there IS a girl in peril!
10/06/2008 22:08:57 ‹James Jacobs› And another girl who CAUSES peril.
10/06/2008 22:09:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've still got Tatzlewyrms.
10/06/2008 22:09:06 ‹Mad Geologist› james Jacobs: the plant alien in the arctic one?
10/06/2008 22:09:09 ‹Pete3› Shoot. Well if you can't have sorotities I guess face hugging and chest exploding aliens come in a close 2nd
10/06/2008 22:09:24 ‹James Jacobs› Mad Geo> Not so much "The Thing".
10/06/2008 22:09:39 ‹Lilith› I love that movie.
10/06/2008 22:09:41 ‹Absinth› Lilith, good work with the pic! Looks much better now. Awesome! Though, my gf was rolling eyes as she came into the room while I looked at the tattoos to see if there's a hidden JJ message in there...
10/06/2008 22:09:42 ‹ollibolli› I have a question from Zaister: Does the Pathfinder organization have publications (for example: would it be possible to subscribe to the Pathfinder Journal in Magnimar)?
10/06/2008 22:10:08 ‹Pygon› I saw The Thing when I was 16 - it fascinated me
10/06/2008 22:10:11 ‹Lilith› Absinth, there is hidden messages in Seoni's tattoos. Four of them even.
10/06/2008 22:10:11 ‹Pete3› Girls causing Peril? So it's an autobiography?
10/06/2008 22:10:24 ‹ollibolli› "Pathfinder Journal" = stories of Eando Kline
10/06/2008 22:10:30 ‹Mad Geologist› Lilith: She has been corrupted by the sins of the Runelords?
10/06/2008 22:10:42 ‹Lilith› Mad Geologist, Mayyyyyyyyyyybe.
10/06/2008 22:10:47 ‹Mad Geologist› Lilith: Just guessing here, as i don't know the picture under discussion.
10/06/2008 22:10:48 ‹James Jacobs› The Pathfinder Society does indeed compile the tales and research of their field agents into books. They do not do mass-market publications of them though, nor do they have a subscription offering.
10/06/2008 22:11:01 ‹James Jacobs› SECRET MESSAGES? <reopens window, hits zoom>
10/06/2008 22:11:06 * Absinth quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:11:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, that reminds me . . . has anyone ever been so bad as to be kicked out of the Pathfinders? (Vaguely thinking about a Finder Wyvernspur kind of character)
10/06/2008 22:11:14 ‹Pete3› Python: I saw The Thing when I was 16 too! In the theater, sadly.
10/06/2008 22:11:31 ‹ollibolli› it would have been a nice way to give an ingame access to the stories in the Pathfinder books
10/06/2008 22:12:00 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yes.
10/06/2008 22:12:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Interesting . . .
10/06/2008 22:12:21 ‹James Jacobs› The John Carpenter version of "The Thing" = 2nd Best Movie Ever.
10/06/2008 22:12:23 ‹Mothman› oh sure you had to reopen the window James ...
10/06/2008 22:12:25 ‹Yoda8myhead› Are the pathfinders a good organization, or neutral?
10/06/2008 22:12:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› All right I'm toast. Maybe I'll be in tomorrow.
10/06/2008 22:12:27 ‹Blazej› Theres...
10/06/2008 22:12:28 ‹James Jacobs› The original ain't no slouch neither!
10/06/2008 22:12:31 ‹Blazej› A
10/06/2008 22:12:38 ‹Daigle› Take care Craig
10/06/2008 22:12:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› Have a good night all!
10/06/2008 22:12:41 ‹Lilith› Yoda8myhead, I think they're neutral-ish.
10/06/2008 22:12:41 ‹Pygon› bye RS
10/06/2008 22:12:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night RS
10/06/2008 22:12:44 ‹Blazej› Night Rambling Scribe
10/06/2008 22:12:50 ‹Mothman› see you Scribe
10/06/2008 22:12:54 ‹Mad Geologist› Goodnight Rambling Scribe.
10/06/2008 22:12:54 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Craig
10/06/2008 22:13:05 ‹Lilith› Night Craig!
10/06/2008 22:13:19 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The pathfinders are neutral. They aren't out to save the world at all.
10/06/2008 22:13:37 ‹Lilith› Explore the world yes. Save it...not so much.
10/06/2008 22:13:40 ‹Daigle› olli, you could leave bits of the journals in with the treasure.
10/06/2008 22:13:40 ‹Pete3› James: So a thrown out PF would be somewhat of a Bulloc type from Raiders?
10/06/2008 22:13:46 * Absinth quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:13:50 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:13:56 ‹Daigle› Every adventure has a bookshelf in it.
10/06/2008 22:13:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh, I imagine even in a neutral organization someone can overstep their bounds though . . .
10/06/2008 22:14:14 * Sir Wulf joins Main
10/06/2008 22:14:21 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wulf!
10/06/2008 22:14:23 * Mad Geologist waves to Sir Wulf....
10/06/2008 22:14:23 ‹Pete3› And follow-up: What would be the #1 movie then?
10/06/2008 22:14:24 ‹Lilith› Sir Wulf!
10/06/2008 22:14:34 * Lilith runs over and glompsSir Wulf
10/06/2008 22:14:34 ‹ollibolli› hmmm... that would be an idea. Tanks Adam
10/06/2008 22:14:39 ‹Sir Wulf› Hallooo!
10/06/2008 22:14:40 ‹Pygon› / _ | _
10/06/2008 22:14:40 ‹ollibolli› Thanks
10/06/2008 22:14:51 ‹Pygon› A L I E N
10/06/2008 22:14:52 ‹Sir Wulf›
10/06/2008 22:14:54 ‹Pete3› Sir W: Aaaawwwooooooooooooo!
10/06/2008 22:14:54 ‹ollibolli› Hello sir wulf
10/06/2008 22:15:05 ‹Daigle› Sure thing. Its something I've considered doing in my game.
10/06/2008 22:15:12 ‹James Jacobs› Pete3> Actually, yes. He's actually one of the archytypical types of Pathfinders. In fact, he wouldn't need to be thrown out, even.
10/06/2008 22:15:18 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
10/06/2008 22:15:24 ‹James Jacobs› He'd still have a job for the Pathfinders, along with Indy.
10/06/2008 22:15:39 ‹James Jacobs› There are PLENTY of inter-society problems!
10/06/2008 22:15:58 ‹James Jacobs› Pete3> Alien is the #1 movie, but only by a hair.
10/06/2008 22:16:18 ‹Mad Geologist› Cheliax has the Twilight Sisterhood.
10/06/2008 22:16:36 ‹Sir Wulf› James Jacobs, you've got to give Blade Runner its due.
10/06/2008 22:16:37 ‹Pete3› A Indy/Bulloq race for lost treasure would make a great module
10/06/2008 22:16:57 ‹Mad Geologist› Although the Pathfinders don't really notice that the sisterhood exist according to the Korvosa guide.
10/06/2008 22:17:16 * Absinth joins Main
10/06/2008 22:17:27 ‹Mad Geologist› Pete3: I'm not sure since I haven't read it, but Imprisoned with the pharaohs?
10/06/2008 22:17:34 ‹Yoda8myhead› Darklight Sisterhood
10/06/2008 22:17:56 ‹Uzzy› Well, I spotted a smiley face in Seoni's tattoos
10/06/2008 22:17:59 ‹Mad Geologist› Yoda: Is it that they adopt the name twilight when they join then
10/06/2008 22:18:06 ‹Mad Geologist› ?
10/06/2008 22:18:15 ‹Yoda8myhead› Darklight
10/06/2008 22:18:15 ‹Absinth› Damn chat, it's kicking me out while getting a refill? That's how guests are treated 'round here?
10/06/2008 22:18:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dang it . . . not sure if this came through or not, but are there any "exotic" races represented in the Pathfinders, i.e. races that aren't PH races?
10/06/2008 22:18:20 ‹Pete3› MG: I'll have to check it out
10/06/2008 22:18:38 ‹Mad Geologist› Yoda: I remember twilight being something to do with them, even if they are probably (as you say) Darklight.
10/06/2008 22:18:49 ‹Absinth› Lilith, could you please repost the picture linkie? I haven't found the messages yet...
10/06/2008 22:19:10 ‹Lilith› Absinth, http://lilith-darkmoon.deviant...8324933
10/06/2008 22:19:30 ‹Uzzy› I've been examining it carefully, and I can't see them!
10/06/2008 22:19:45 ‹Uzzy› The Tattoos, I mean. I've been examining those.
10/06/2008 22:19:47 ‹Lilith› Uzzy, it's more of icons rather than written text or anything.
10/06/2008 22:19:52 ‹Pete3› btw, #1 and #2 movie at the Pete house are Buckaroo Banzai and Big Trouble in Little China. You can see how we roll.
10/06/2008 22:19:55 ‹Uzzy› .... Aaaah!
10/06/2008 22:20:04 ‹Uzzy› That makes more sense. So the smiley face counts?
10/06/2008 22:20:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Any plans for a Desert flip map, or did I miss those previously.
10/06/2008 22:20:10 ‹Mad Geologist› Yoda: You are 100% correct.
10/06/2008 22:20:21 ‹Mad Geologist› I am getting tired and muddling things. Darklight only.
10/06/2008 22:20:23 ‹Lilith› Uzzy, no. These are particular to James Jacobs' likes...
10/06/2008 22:21:04 ‹Yoda8myhead› it's ok geo
10/06/2008 22:21:10 ‹Lilith› Uzzy, and to be fair, one of them is really well hidden.
10/06/2008 22:21:23 ‹Mad Geologist› Lil
10/06/2008 22:21:41 * Mad Geologist makes a typing error.
10/06/2008 22:21:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: Any plans for making minis or map tiles to tie in with the non-AP modules?
10/06/2008 22:21:52 ‹Lilith› indeed...
10/06/2008 22:22:08 ‹Uzzy› Ah well. It's too much for me at 6:21am. And the pic keeps distracting me. >.>
10/06/2008 22:22:40 ‹Mad Geologist› Excuse me. Well past bedtime here in this time-zone...
10/06/2008 22:22:57 ‹Mad Geologist› Goodnight everyone.
10/06/2008 22:22:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Mad Geo
10/06/2008 22:23:03 ‹Pygon› gnite Charles
10/06/2008 22:23:04 ‹Mothman› See you MG
10/06/2008 22:23:06 * Mad Geologist wanders off.
10/06/2008 22:23:06 * Lilith wonders where everybody went...
10/06/2008 22:23:09 * Mad Geologist quit
10/06/2008 22:23:18 ‹James Jacobs› KnightErrant> There may indeed be some exotic pathfinders. We haven't revealed any yet. I suspect there's at least one gillman Pathfinder, for example.
10/06/2008 22:23:29 ‹Lilith› Gillman?
10/06/2008 22:23:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gotcha . . .
10/06/2008 22:23:33 ‹Lilith›
10/06/2008 22:23:34 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> A desert flip mat? I'd suspect yes, there's a good chance of that.
10/06/2008 22:23:34 ‹Pete3› Sleezak?
10/06/2008 22:23:42 * paul joins Main
10/06/2008 22:23:42 ‹Absinth› Lilith, I found a smiley. Does it count as secret message?
10/06/2008 22:23:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› Azlanti related humans . . .
10/06/2008 22:23:47 ‹James Jacobs› The low Azlanti. Basically water-breathing humans.
10/06/2008 22:23:49 ‹Yoda8myhead› the aquatic azlanti, you mean?
10/06/2008 22:23:58 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I would think that with all the Osirion love it would be a great idea.
10/06/2008 22:24:09 ‹Pete3› Does anyone know of a PF Wiki?
10/06/2008 22:24:11 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> As for making map tiles tie in to non-AP modules... no plans there yet.
10/06/2008 22:24:15 ‹Lilith› Ah, didn't catch the colloquial when I was reading my Gazetteer.
10/06/2008 22:24:21 ‹Lilith› Pete3: http://www.pathfinderwiki.com
10/06/2008 22:24:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› um, Pete, I AM the PF wiki
10/06/2008 22:24:29 ‹David› Lilith, i found a runelord symbol on her hand...i think
10/06/2008 22:24:46 ‹Lilith› David, not a Runelord symbol.
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10/06/2008 22:24:50 ‹Pete3› so I have to find you and write on you? how... odd.
10/06/2008 22:24:54 ‹David› dadrn
10/06/2008 22:25:00 ‹Yoda8myhead› yeah
10/06/2008 22:25:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› but really, contributions are welcome!
10/06/2008 22:25:19 ‹Lilith› Yoda8myhead, I re-uploaded my Three Rings Tavern map.
10/06/2008 22:25:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› we're just now getting it to a point where it's pretty much self-sufficient
10/06/2008 22:25:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› I noticed, Lilith
10/06/2008 22:25:39 * Pete3 is somewhat concerned about what parts of yoda8myhead are still blank
10/06/2008 22:26:16 ‹Yoda8myhead› lots of them, actually
10/06/2008 22:26:26 ‹Yoda8myhead› many many "stubs"
10/06/2008 22:26:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, alignment aside, would you say the Gillmen are closer to the seakin or the Avanti from Stormwrack (if you recall either one)
10/06/2008 22:27:02 ‹David› Yoda8myhead, that just sounds wrong
10/06/2008 22:27:50 ‹Pygon› chat sent, David
10/06/2008 22:27:53 ‹Absinth› Lilith, and I found the word 'cute' too. Well, I don't know if this is a fitting description though...
22:28:51 ‹Pete3› James: You should leverage the tiles and flip-mats already created in more product. I used the cathedral for D3 and it worked great.
10/06/2008 22:28:58 ‹Pete3› product placement tie-ins!
10/06/2008 22:29:09 ‹David› Pygon, but were still chatty...
10/06/2008 22:29:31 ‹ollibolli› and I have already arrived!
10/06/2008 22:29:45 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> The gillmen are probably pretty close to the aventi, yeah.
10/06/2008 22:29:45 ‹Pygon› yeah but I'm passing out.
10/06/2008 22:29:56 ‹David› ahh...
10/06/2008 22:30:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's kind of what I was thinking . . . thanks James
10/06/2008 22:30:06 ‹David› its only 1 30...
10/06/2008 22:30:06 ‹James Jacobs› I should prolly get back fully to the editing too... Any last minute questions?
10/06/2008 22:30:12 ‹ollibolli› my name makes other people tired?
10/06/2008 22:30:16 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I have nothing...
10/06/2008 22:30:27 ‹Pete3› How can we help you?
10/06/2008 22:30:28 ‹Pygon› I'm dry.
10/06/2008 22:30:33 ‹Uzzy› What sort of Pizza do you want next time?
10/06/2008 22:30:51 ‹David› James Jacobs, if i locked you in my basement would you work as well ass you do now?
10/06/2008 22:31:06 ‹Pete3› "I'm your biggest fan"
10/06/2008 22:31:07 ‹Yoda8myhead› ha, David said "ass"
10/06/2008 22:31:13 ‹David› it would be for free
10/06/2008 22:31:13 ‹James Jacobs› Pete3> The thing with the flip mats and tiles, thoguh... the art style of the maps doesn't really fit Lazzaretti's style, so they'd look weird if we tied them into Pathfinder directly. That said... we DO try to schedule them to be on themes that help the current set of adventures. We'll have some cavern and Darklands maps coming soon, for example...
10/06/2008 22:31:24 ‹David› Yoda8myhead, that was a typo!
10/06/2008 22:31:37 ‹James Jacobs› David> Depends what that "ass" bit meant...
10/06/2008 22:31:38 ‹Yoda8myhead› uh huh
10/06/2008 22:31:38 ‹Urza› How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck would?
10/06/2008 22:31:46 ‹Yoda8myhead› 4
10/06/2008 22:31:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, not really a question, but a thank you for throwing an Imaskari bone into the Kaorti article, even if its a bit belated.
10/06/2008 22:31:48 ‹James Jacobs› And if you paid for dinner.
10/06/2008 22:31:49 ‹Pygon› lol
10/06/2008 22:31:57 ‹David› it wass a typo!!
10/06/2008 22:31:58 * Lilith rofls!
10/06/2008 22:32:05 ‹Lilith›
10/06/2008 22:32:10 ‹Daigle›
10/06/2008 22:32:27 ‹ollibolli› *G*
10/06/2008 22:32:30 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> No problem! Most of the stuff I wrote for WotC tended to have hidden Greyhawk agendas... but I'm a big fan of the Forgotten Realms too!
10/06/2008 22:32:31 ‹Urza› dang it.. i messed up on the last wood! i was so close
10/06/2008 22:32:33 ‹Pete3› Right now I think Stevens and Mona own his ass
10/06/2008 22:32:36 * Urza hangs head in shame
10/06/2008 22:32:40 ‹David› gah my s key must be sticking...
10/06/2008 22:32:56 ‹Yoda8myhead› uh huh
10/06/2008 22:33:08 ‹James Jacobs› AND: It would depend on if I had to put the lotion on my skin. I don't want to get the hose again.
10/06/2008 22:33:14 ‹Urza› i think Pete has a man crush
10/06/2008 22:33:18 ‹Pete3› sticky keyss...
10/06/2008 22:33:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, would it be too much to ask you to give man hugs to your fellow editors?
10/06/2008 22:33:39 ‹Daigle› Don't worry David, yoda's an instigator. He keeps trying to make people believe I'm a hairdresser.
10/06/2008 22:33:53 ‹Urza› wait
10/06/2008 22:33:57 ‹James Jacobs› Uzzy> As for pizza next time? My personal favorite pizza is artichoke hearts, garlic, and jalapenos... but those are hard to find places that make them. So I usually am fine settling for anything without mushrooms.
10/06/2008 22:33:57 ‹Urza› you're not a hairdresser?
10/06/2008 22:34:03 ‹Yoda8myhead› ok, it's too silly in here for me, and James has more work to do. So I'll let him get back to it and I'll head off to bed
10/06/2008 22:34:03 ‹James Jacobs› MAN HUGS ALL AROUND!
10/06/2008 22:34:05 ‹Absinth›
10/06/2008 22:34:08 ‹David› Daigle, you arent?
10/06/2008 22:34:12 ‹Daigle›
10/06/2008 22:34:13 ‹paul› aye shucks
10/06/2008 22:34:23 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yay, hugs!
10/06/2008 22:34:25 ‹Pete3› I am Spartacus!
10/06/2008 22:34:26 ‹paul› i thought i was done.....you keep pulling me back inm
10/06/2008 22:34:29 ‹Sir Wulf› Daigle, all those rumors about hair aren't true?
10/06/2008 22:34:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› have a good (and productive) night everyone
10/06/2008 22:34:44 ‹Yoda8myhead› See you tomorrow!
10/06/2008 22:34:55 ‹David› and it was such a nice picture...
10/06/2008 22:34:57 ‹Daigle› G'Night yoda
10/06/2008 22:35:00 ‹Uzzy›
10/06/2008 22:35:04 ‹James Jacobs› Okay then! I'll talk with ya all next time! Stay out of trouble!
10/06/2008 22:35:10 ‹Pete3› Ha!
10/06/2008 22:35:11 ‹Lilith› Still a cool picture: http://namesjames.deviantart.c...4371621
10/06/2008 22:35:11 ‹Uzzy› See ya James!
10/06/2008 22:35:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Take care James, and thanks!
10/06/2008 22:35:14 ‹Pete3› Later!
10/06/2008 22:35:17 ‹Daigle› Take care James!
10/06/2008 22:35:18 ‹David› Yoda8myhead, have fun writing on your "stubs"
10/06/2008 22:35:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: That's no fun!
10/06/2008 22:35:21 * Urza plans lots of trouble
10/06/2008 22:35:23 ‹Daigle› Thanks for making the time!
10/06/2008 22:35:28 * Lilith glomps James Jacobs!
10/06/2008 22:35:31 ‹Mothman› bye James
10/06/2008 22:35:31 ‹paul› take care
10/06/2008 22:35:35 ‹Pygon› thanks a lot James, good luck
10/06/2008 22:35:38 ‹Mothman› thanks for your time
10/06/2008 22:35:47 ‹James Jacobs› By this time next week? ALL CAUGHT UP!
10/06/2008 22:35:54 ‹James Jacobs› </ninjasmoke>
10/06/2008 22:35:55 ‹Uzzy› Yay for Lolthy stuff, Lilith
10/06/2008 22:35:57 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs,
10/06/2008 22:35:58 ‹Daigle› Congrats on that!
10/06/2008 22:36:03 ‹Lilith›
10/06/2008 22:36:10 ‹Russ, Lord of Grump› Night Mr. Jacobs
10/06/2008 22:36:11 ‹paul› we moved DD night to tuesday
10/06/2008 22:36:18 ‹ollibolli› gn8 James
10/06/2008 22:36:20 ‹paul› so now i get the sloppy seconds
10/06/2008 22:36:24 ‹Urza› lilith, http://namesjames.deviantart.c...4156546
10/06/2008 22:36:27 ‹Urza› is better
10/06/2008 22:36:28 ‹paul› i dont mind i eat anything
10/06/2008 22:36:34 ‹paul›
10/06/2008 22:36:56 ‹paul› Fort Rannick has been saved
10/06/2008 22:36:57 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
Special thanks to Jonathan Shade for setting up the backup room when the other one was down! *hugs, massive batches of cookies*
00:30:16 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hi everybody
18/06/2008 00:30:16 * guest935 joins My room
18/06/2008 00:30:20 ‹Crimson Jester› No Charles what does that mean
18/06/2008 00:30:20 ‹Charles Evans› 'It's a Trap'
18/06/2008 00:30:20 ‹Lilith› Bullman!
18/06/2008 00:30:23 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason!
18/06/2008 00:30:25 * Lilith glomps the Bulmahn!
18/06/2008 00:30:27 * guest856 joins My room
18/06/2008 00:30:29 ‹Hill Giant› Bulmahn!
18/06/2008 00:30:34 ‹Crimson Jester› Its the Buhlman! howdy fellow Jason
18/06/2008 00:30:39 * guest856 changes his/her nickname to BM
18/06/2008 00:30:40 * Charles Evans Cthulhu Glomps Bulmahn.
18/06/2008 00:30:42 ‹JasonBulmahn› I just posted "Its a trap" to my blog.. heh heh
18/06/2008 00:30:43 * guest488 joins My room
18/06/2008 00:30:50 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, hee hee. :P
18/06/2008 00:30:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hows everybody doing tonight
18/06/2008 00:31:05 ‹Crimson Jester› great.... was having withdrawls though
18/06/2008 00:31:07 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, sad that my chat room is down...*cries*
18/06/2008 00:31:09 * guest935 changes his/her nickname to WOTC LEGAL
18/06/2008 00:31:11 ‹Charles Evans› jason: You must be exhausted after getting Beta out...
18/06/2008 00:31:11 * Daigle will be doing the weather tonight.
18/06/2008 00:31:11 ‹Timitius› Mr. Bulmahn, ever the Star Wars quoting, eh?
18/06/2008 00:31:13 ‹Sir WUlf!› We seem to be larger and louder...
18/06/2008 00:31:16 ‹Daigle› We have :drizzle:
18/06/2008 00:31:17 ‹WOTC LEGAL› What's all this then?
18/06/2008 00:31:20 ‹Daigle› And >O<
18/06/2008 00:31:23 ‹Lilith› WOTC LEGAL, :O
18/06/2008 00:31:32 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sorry about your chat room Lilith
18/06/2008 00:31:38 ‹Timitius› Cheeze it...It's the fuzz.
18/06/2008 00:31:47 ‹Charles Evans› :clouds:
18/06/2008 00:31:50 ‹Hill Giant› GSL is released. Paizo chat crahes. I'm just sayin'.
18/06/2008 00:31:55 * WOTC LEGAL changes his/her nickname to Pete
18/06/2008 00:31:59 ‹Pete› Just foolin
18/06/2008 00:32:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wotc Legal> sorry sir.. we will not be altering any "4e reference term".. I promise
18/06/2008 00:32:03 ‹JasonBulmahn› :-)
18/06/2008 00:32:03 ‹Crimson Jester› oh the GSL is out now?
18/06/2008 00:32:03 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, yeah, but electrical problems are well outside of my control. :P
18/06/2008 00:32:04 * Sir WUlf! inscribes the OGL sign on his monitor...
18/06/2008 00:32:09 ‹Daigle› I know! They don't like the site being called "DM"tools!
18/06/2008 00:32:13 ‹Charles Evans› :drizzle:
18/06/2008 00:32:15 ‹Daigle› :P
18/06/2008 00:32:27 ‹[Eyebite]› The chat will have to be renamed referee tools
18/06/2008 00:32:31 ‹[Eyebite]› or else
18/06/2008 00:32:36 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
18/06/2008 00:32:52 ‹Daigle› Dirty Monkey Tools!
18/06/2008 00:32:59 * Sir WUlf! changes his/her nickname to Sir Wulf
18/06/2008 00:32:59 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Hah! In all fairness...when I set up DM Tools in the first place, I send a letter to WotC customer service asking if it was okay...Never got a response. Mr. Mona did though. :P
18/06/2008 00:33:01 ‹Charles Evans› jason: So what can you spoil for us about Beta edition?
18/06/2008 00:33:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Dirty Gninja Monkey tools?
18/06/2008 00:33:13 * guest488 quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 00:33:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Mmm.. Dirty Monkeys... wait.. nevermind
18/06/2008 00:33:16 ‹[Eyebite]› and this is why Daigle is brilliant. Dirty Monkey Tools for the win.
18/06/2008 00:33:24 ‹Hill Giant› Damn dirty apes!
18/06/2008 00:33:25 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> It is really big
18/06/2008 00:33:38 ‹Daigle› Yay!
18/06/2008 00:33:46 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: You al;ready spoiled that in your blog, and elsewhere... I mean what *new* facts.
18/06/2008 00:33:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> 408 pages.. and I still could not fit all of the spells and magic items into it
18/06/2008 00:33:50 ‹Charles Evans› ?
18/06/2008 00:33:55 ‹Crimson Jester› "How big is it?"
18/06/2008 00:33:55 * Pete changes his/her nickname to WOTC LEGAL
18/06/2008 00:34:04 ‹Sir Wulf› What an odd coincidence that the acronym sounds familiar...
18/06/2008 00:34:09 ‹Charles Evans› Are we talking a4 or a3 pages?
18/06/2008 00:34:10 ‹WOTC LEGAL› I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.
18/06/2008 00:34:12 ‹Lilith› Timitius, how ya doin'?
18/06/2008 00:34:27 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is closing u
18/06/2008 00:34:32 * Charles Evans :$: WOTC LEGAL.
18/06/2008 00:34:32 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, did you get to see the Pathfinder Fan Service art that I made?
18/06/2008 00:34:35 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> normal.. umm.. paper.. umm.. you know...
18/06/2008 00:34:46 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Double sided?
18/06/2008 00:34:51 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, 8 1/2 by 11 inches? :P
18/06/2008 00:34:55 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> No I did not... last week was insanity
18/06/2008 00:35:06 ‹Crimson Jester› Ok Jason, how is this, what was left out?
18/06/2008 00:35:09 ‹Charles Evans› I'm trying to work out if it's even bigger and more awesiome than it aready sounds...
18/06/2008 00:35:13 ‹Timitius› Lilith, I'm cool. My Tuesday game ended a bit early, which made me sad.
18/06/2008 00:35:17 ‹Daigle› Who is still "guested"?
18/06/2008 00:35:22 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> Yes.. 408 single sided.. the book will actually contain 204 double sided pages.. to get specific.. plus covers
18/06/2008 00:35:31 ‹Lilith› Timitius, how's the family?
18/06/2008 00:35:37 ‹JasonBulmahn› but that is still a huge book
18/06/2008 00:35:45 * WOTC LEGAL changes his/her nickname to Pete
18/06/2008 00:35:47 ‹Lilith› Daigle, not sure...We have no power here! :(
18/06/2008 00:35:52 ‹Pete› Suit itches
18/06/2008 00:35:58 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> About 100 spells.. and about 60 magic items
18/06/2008 00:36:05 ‹Crimson Jester› OUCH
18/06/2008 00:36:12 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> and a number of other odds and ends...
18/06/2008 00:36:19 ‹Daigle› Hey, that's not my couch!
18/06/2008 00:36:30 * guest488 quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 00:36:30 ‹Daigle› Mmmm, spells and magic items.
18/06/2008 00:36:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> There was no way around it... the final book will be bigger
18/06/2008 00:36:43 * guest330 joins My room
18/06/2008 00:36:45 ‹Charles Evans› jason: Is Viktor_Von_Doom likely to get any good news about the paladin, monk or whichever other class he was unhappy about being underpowered?
18/06/2008 00:36:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> And we will be putting out all of those items in pdf form.. I think.. for free
18/06/2008 00:36:51 * guest330 changes his/her nickname to kvantum
18/06/2008 00:36:55 ‹Crimson Jester› any chance of a online addition of what was left out?
18/06/2008 00:37:05 ‹Crimson Jester› answered before I asked
18/06/2008 00:37:13 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> Some.. but I am not sure I can make him happy.. no matter what I do
18/06/2008 00:37:20 ‹kvantum› damn that GSL. so nasty that it knocked out power to the servers...
18/06/2008 00:37:23 * BM quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 00:37:37 ‹BM› What do you mean by odds and ends? Small details what?
18/06/2008 00:37:38 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> It should also be noted that the book does not yet contain info on how to write adventures, make campaigns.. etc...
18/06/2008 00:37:42 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Well you can't make everyone :) all the time, it is said...
18/06/2008 00:37:49 ‹JasonBulmahn› BM> what I just said
18/06/2008 00:37:50 ‹Sir Wulf› Truly, the Dark Side runs strongly through the GSL....
18/06/2008 00:38:05 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Approx. how much will the dead tree versions of the eta cost in the shops?
18/06/2008 00:38:05 ‹Crimson Jester› ok what do we need that for Jason thats what Paizo is for :)
18/06/2008 00:38:11 ‹Charles Evans› (B)eta
18/06/2008 00:38:18 ‹JasonBulmahn› There were also some elements I did not have time for... like prestige classes.. those are going to have to wait...
18/06/2008 00:38:46 ‹Crimson Jester› now im goign to cry
18/06/2008 00:38:50 ‹BM› Most likely WotC hire a devil to do the GSL. It a least feels like it.
18/06/2008 00:38:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> The beta will cost $25 for a 408 page full color book
18/06/2008 00:39:05 ‹Pete› A bargain at twice the price!
18/06/2008 00:39:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> Do not worry.. you will get them before the final
18/06/2008 00:39:21 ‹Timitius› Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
18/06/2008 00:39:23 ‹kvantum› my honest reaction to reading the thing? "What circle of Hell did this thing's author crawl up out of?"
18/06/2008 00:39:29 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> I am glad to here you say that, because the final is twice the price.. but it will also be a bit bigger
18/06/2008 00:39:36 ‹Charles Evans› Regarding prestige classes, I thik it would be nice to see them revised so that they focus on doing one thing really well, rather than being something which people window-shop odd levels in for powergaming reasons.
18/06/2008 00:39:47 ‹Pete› Jason> I knew that. :-)
18/06/2008 00:39:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> I agree
18/06/2008 00:40:01 ‹kvantum› Charles>well, the core class upgrades seem to have done a good job in that regard
18/06/2008 00:40:04 * Daigle quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 00:40:04 ‹Sir Wulf› Should I wait to read the GSL until I've had several drinks?
18/06/2008 00:40:05 ‹Charles Evans› Hmmm. $25 is approximately £12?
18/06/2008 00:40:13 ‹Pete› And now with Gnomes!
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18/06/2008 00:40:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> currently.. yes...
18/06/2008 00:40:19 ‹kvantum› wulf>no, you'll never make sense of it drunk
18/06/2008 00:40:36 ‹Daigle› weird
18/06/2008 00:40:38 ‹Sir Wulf› I'm not sure that I want to.
18/06/2008 00:40:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wulf> Yes... and maybe some mood stabilizers.. it can cause rage
18/06/2008 00:40:55 ‹guest488› my main question about the gsl is this "define, redefine, or alter the definition of any 4E Reference"
18/06/2008 00:40:59 ‹guest488› thats . . .
18/06/2008 00:41:01 ‹kvantum› my "favorite" is still 10.3, the "so you wanna be a snitch" clause...
00:41:10 * guest488 changes his/her nickname to Samwise
18/06/2008 00:41:13 ‹Pete› Jason: Are you going to Gencon?
18/06/2008 00:41:16 ‹Samwise› i am a guest . . .
18/06/2008 00:41:17 ‹Samwise› feh
18/06/2008 00:41:19 ‹Charles Evans› Sir Wulf: Take a Cthulhu along to translate the oure insanity of the GSL for you... it seems to make no sense in encouraging creativity from third parties.
18/06/2008 00:41:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› Guest488> That is a HUGE clause in there... very limiting
18/06/2008 00:41:27 ‹kvantum› "No, you *wanna* be a snitch. We're telling you."
18/06/2008 00:41:31 ‹Charles Evans› oure=pure
18/06/2008 00:41:35 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Yes
18/06/2008 00:41:37 ‹Sir Wulf› So the part about yielding one's first-born child is not the issue?
18/06/2008 00:41:48 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> And Origins.. and maybe one or two other cons
18/06/2008 00:41:58 ‹Samwise› Jason>i am the former guest :P
18/06/2008 00:42:09 ‹Pete› I got the note from Josh on GMing PF there, trying to convince the wife.
18/06/2008 00:42:15 ‹Timitius› JasonBulmahn, one being PaizoCon II in April 2009, right?
18/06/2008 00:42:16 ‹Samwise› and yes, it really leaps out
18/06/2008 00:42:19 * HG is closing u changes his/her nickname to Hill Giant
18/06/2008 00:42:30 ‹Crimson Jester› My Problem Jason is that I really only liked one Prestige class from the DMG and since I never ran forgotten realms it didnt do anything for me
18/06/2008 00:42:35 ‹BM› The Dragon Disciple is the one Prestige class that I want to see. Just to see how it will bend in with the new sorcerer bloodline powers.
18/06/2008 00:42:35 ‹Charles Evans› Sir Wulf: There is a 'this GSL lasts forever, even if it is revoked it continues to trap you' bit if I understood it correctly.
18/06/2008 00:42:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› tim> Absolutely
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18/06/2008 00:42:47 ‹Samwise› you can make a new character class or monster, albeit without reproducing their rules for making monsters
18/06/2008 00:42:56 * guest134 changes his/her nickname to Wyvern
18/06/2008 00:42:56 ‹Samwise› you can make a new use for an existing skill
18/06/2008 00:42:59 ‹Samwise› errr . . .
18/06/2008 00:43:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
18/06/2008 00:43:04 ‹Samwise› can you make new skills?
18/06/2008 00:43:07 ‹Sir Wulf› I need to find some Arizona pathfinders headed for Gencon, so we can get a slot-zero party going.
18/06/2008 00:43:11 ‹Wyvern› Hey guys
18/06/2008 00:43:17 ‹Pete› PaizoCon II: This time we mean it.
18/06/2008 00:43:19 ‹Charles Evans› Although I am interested in their legal position if some April fool prankster, for example, hacks the GSL part of their website one spring morning....
18/06/2008 00:43:19 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> Correct.. it has a build in "undead" clause.. it can get you from beyond the grave
18/06/2008 00:43:23 ‹Samwise› you can make new powers . . .
18/06/2008 00:43:24 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Wyvern
18/06/2008 00:43:32 ‹kvantum› welcome to the GSL insanity party
18/06/2008 00:43:52 ‹Crimson Jester› Charles please dont give me ay ideas
18/06/2008 00:43:55 ‹Timitius› Pete, excellent.
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18/06/2008 00:43:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sam> Yes.. as long as they are not the same as the current ones in name or function
18/06/2008 00:44:02 ‹JonathanShade› hey al
18/06/2008 00:44:03 ‹Samwise› Jason>heh, i noticed that too, sign the GSL, and WotC owns your soul, i mean product, forever!
18/06/2008 00:44:08 ‹Sir Wulf› I've got to see that.
18/06/2008 00:44:09 ‹kvantum› PaizoCon II: Paizo Harder?
18/06/2008 00:44:12 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Do I understand correctly that the GSL has the power to overrule even your constittional rights, if you are an american?
18/06/2008 00:44:32 ‹Crimson Jester› say what?
18/06/2008 00:44:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sam> right... until they make you destroy it... (GSL, Sec 11.3)
18/06/2008 00:44:47 ‹Samwise› Jason>yeah, i gather that intent, but . . . whats the functional effect?
18/06/2008 00:44:54 ‹Samwise› Jason>yep, i noticed that too
18/06/2008 00:45:13 ‹Samwise› they revoke it, ALL your hardcopies MUST be destroyed at your expense
18/06/2008 00:45:14 ‹Crimson Jester› :drizzle::drizzle::drizzle::drizzle:
18/06/2008 00:45:17 ‹Samwise› immediately!
18/06/2008 00:45:24 ‹Charles Evans› I noticed something about forfeiting rights to challenge it you agree to by signing it...
18/06/2008 00:45:37 ‹Sir Wulf› Charles Evans, if I understand correctly, they hired the same lawyers that determined that "waterboarding" was merely "rigorous questioning" and not torture.
18/06/2008 00:45:44 ‹Samwise› Charles>that i expect would get overturned
18/06/2008 00:45:55 ‹Samwise› of course, it has the standard separable clause
18/06/2008 00:46:00 ‹Samwise› so it wont affect anything else
18/06/2008 00:46:08 ‹Samwise› still, you do give up a jury trial
18/06/2008 00:46:15 ‹Samwise› and that can easily hold up
18/06/2008 00:46:27 ‹Charles Evans› Sir wulf:D
18/06/2008 00:46:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> yes.. to some extent.. if you do not want to be in breach (GSL, Sec 10.3)
18/06/2008 00:46:34 ‹Pete› So what's Paizo working on now? They sent everything out on Friday, right? Sitting around bored?
18/06/2008 00:46:35 ‹Samwise› Sir Wulf>that statement is a violation of the GSL
18/06/2008 00:47:20 ‹Samwise› Sec 7 (c)
18/06/2008 00:47:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Yup.. I am working on my non-GSL compliant adventure for Pathfinder 15
18/06/2008 00:47:34 ‹Samwise› heh
18/06/2008 00:47:52 ‹Sir Wulf› I'd better not sign the GSL in any hurry, then.
18/06/2008 00:47:55 ‹Samwise› Jason>one thing i expect is safe though, with this thing, the PRPG is guaranteed ;)
18/06/2008 00:47:55 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, tell us about the drow, the Darklands and all that good stuffs! Tell us how a big rock goes "Boom!"
18/06/2008 00:48:05 ‹BM› I just surprised that they didn't add a clause that states that if you ever play a 4e game, you can NEVER play a 3e game ever again :P
18/06/2008 00:48:16 ‹Samwise› BM>they nearly do
18/06/2008 00:48:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› Lilith> big rocks do go boom... oh yes.. they sure do.. reminds self to write rules about armageddon
18/06/2008 00:48:34 ‹Samwise› check 6.2
18/06/2008 00:48:55 * Charles Evans tries to remember something important...
18/06/2008 00:48:56 ‹Daigle› Armageddon rules!
18/06/2008 00:48:58 * JonathanShade changes his/her nickname to JS.Sleeping
18/06/2008 00:49:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sam> nice...
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18/06/2008 00:50:11 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: ah yes. The assassination thread! please save a lot of bother and headaches for adventure path writers in future by making it possible for Queens to off uppity guard commanders (after surviving assassination attempt by the aforementioned) without provoking 'how did she do that?' debates....
18/06/2008 00:50:14 * guest747 changes his/her nickname to seekerofshadowl
18/06/2008 00:50:22 ‹seekerofshadowl› hello all
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18/06/2008 00:50:32 ‹Charles Evans› Good day Seeker.
18/06/2008 00:50:37 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, hooray, Armageddon! :woot:
18/06/2008 00:50:42 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey charles
18/06/2008 00:50:43 ‹BM› Hi seeker.
18/06/2008 00:50:44 ‹Pete› Armageddon: "I will make 800 feet"
18/06/2008 00:50:48 ‹Crimson Jester› Assassins?
18/06/2008 00:50:49 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey BM
18/06/2008 00:50:49 ‹kvantum› so Korvosa is doomed?
18/06/2008 00:51:01 ‹Samwise› Jason>and as you noted, the survivability clause includes all of section 6
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18/06/2008 00:51:37 ‹Samwise› so section 6.1 has a double assertion of survivability, and 6.2 also survives
18/06/2008 00:51:45 * guest241 changes his/her nickname to Locke1520
18/06/2008 00:51:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy guestlike peoples
18/06/2008 00:51:55 ‹Locke1520› Howdy
18/06/2008 00:51:58 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey Daigle
18/06/2008 00:52:00 ‹Daigle› ...and Locke
18/06/2008 00:52:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> cmon.. armageddon quotes... ugg
18/06/2008 00:52:05 ‹Samwise› Holy Double Lockdown Batman!
18/06/2008 00:52:06 ‹Daigle› and seeker
18/06/2008 00:52:08 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey locke
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18/06/2008 00:52:10 ‹Lilith› kvantum, if the PCs don't succeed! :P
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18/06/2008 00:52:27 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: I was referring to the Ileosa vs. Endrin episode from Pathfinder #9 which provoked pages of debate on the Paizo boards, and at least two threads so far....
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18/06/2008 00:52:45 ‹Russ› Ahoy, this bites
18/06/2008 00:52:46 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey russ
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18/06/2008 00:52:53 ‹Russ› I'm curious how enforceable that 6.2 clause is
18/06/2008 00:52:54 ‹seekerofshadowl› what does russ
18/06/2008 00:52:55 ‹Pete› Hey, I threw out "Kick ass and chew bubblegum but I got no bubblegum" and no one bit.
18/06/2008 00:52:58 ‹Russ› (if they terminate)
18/06/2008 00:52:59 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey olli
18/06/2008 00:53:01 ‹Samwise› lol
18/06/2008 00:53:13 ‹Samwise› Russ>i was just noting that ;)
18/06/2008 00:53:22 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sorry charles> My head has been elsewhere lately.. I am not fully versed in that debate
18/06/2008 00:53:25 * guest268 changes his/her nickname to mortellan
18/06/2008 00:53:28 ‹seekerofshadowl› ah the GSL
18/06/2008 00:53:29 ‹ollibolli› Hi seeker, hi all
18/06/2008 00:53:43 ‹Timitius› Pete, "3.5, you're OK. But 4e, real ****ing ugly"
18/06/2008 00:53:48 ‹Wyvern› Hey olli
18/06/2008 00:53:52 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli, mort and Russ
18/06/2008 00:53:55 * guest751 changes his/her nickname to Mothman
18/06/2008 00:54:06 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Mothman
18/06/2008 00:54:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> I think if you destroy all of your 4e product.. you cannot really be held to the license anymore.. but who knows...
18/06/2008 00:54:12 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey mothman
18/06/2008 00:54:13 ‹[Eyebite]› Moth! Hey
18/06/2008 00:54:18 ‹seekerofshadowl› seems the room is getting full
18/06/2008 00:54:22 ‹Crimson Jester› and Olli and Russ and Seeker and Mort and.....
18/06/2008 00:54:24 ‹Mothman› Its alive!
18/06/2008 00:54:28 ‹Mothman› Hey guys
18/06/2008 00:54:31 ‹Russ› They didn't ACTUALLY dedicate the GSL to Lorraine, did they?
18/06/2008 00:54:42 BM Jason, any idea on when you'll get that post outlining the changes to the beta done?
18/06/2008 00:54:44 Charles Evans Jason : There was the 'how does Endrin shoot ileosa in the head' side to the arguement, and then the 'how does she kill a 14th level character' (presumed as a senior military commander by PCs and reasonably tough) in one go debate also.
18/06/2008 00:54:48 kvantum no... since she wrote it
18/06/2008 00:54:55 JasonBulmahn Sam> What I wanna know is this.. lets say company A updates a book to 4E... can company B recreate the open portions of that book for the OGL, using that license.. the GSL is unclear
18/06/2008 00:55:01 Daigle [color=#008000] Howdy Mothy [/color]
18/06/2008 00:55:01 seekerofshadowl I take it your all happy at paizo that you did not wiat for the GSL huh jason
18/06/2008 00:55:06 Mothman Jason - you didnt miss much by missing that debate.... it was kind of pointless
18/06/2008 00:55:11 Pete Tim: Awesome !
18/06/2008 00:55:22 JasonBulmahn BM> There will be previews leading up to GenCon
18/06/2008 00:55:23 Daigle just noticed that he can't say ****ing in here.
18/06/2008 00:55:23 [Eyebite] [Eyebite] changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
18/06/2008 00:55:23 Charles Evans And the 'how the heck was that supposed to be represented in game mechanics' which Is what I was hoping you might have assisted on...
18/06/2008 00:55:35 Pete Russ: No.
18/06/2008 00:55:37 Crimson Jester ****
18/06/2008 00:55:37 seekerofshadowl yes sad Daigle
18/06/2008 00:55:43 Crimson Jester well ****
18/06/2008 00:55:43 JasonBulmahn Seeker> You would be correct
18/06/2008 00:55:49 Pete Just in spirit.
18/06/2008 00:55:56 JasonBulmahn Mothman> fun.. well.. then I will move along
18/06/2008 00:56:00 Hill Giant **** is WotC IP
18/06/2008 00:56:15 ollibolli then you're really up **** creek
18/06/2008 00:56:21 Pete Jason: So tell us about non-GSL PF 15.
18/06/2008 00:56:21 seekerofshadowl Any change tesers jason? or ya gonna wait a while on that
18/06/2008 00:56:29 Russ Oh god, not the assassination thread again
18/06/2008 00:56:30 Daigle [color=#008000] I can, however say cocksucker! [/color]
18/06/2008 00:56:33 Sir Wulf JasonBulmahn, do you have any cool OP news?
18/06/2008 00:56:37 Eyebite Ah man, we're going to get a lot of mileage out of GSL jokes, aren't we?
18/06/2008 00:56:37 Russ cockpunch!
18/06/2008 00:56:37 JasonBulmahn Charles> Sorry charley... I am not really sure what is going on with that issue.. if James pops in, you might want to ask him
18/06/2008 00:56:42 Samwise Jason>for the 6.2 issue, it says there is survivability, so theoretically, if a court upholds it, even if your destroy your 4E stuff, if you later OGL it, they could seek relief
18/06/2008 00:56:45 Eyebite and that's what counts Daigle :)
18/06/2008 00:56:51 Russ The Gamer's Sodomization License?
18/06/2008 00:56:52 seekerofshadowl yes eyebite
18/06/2008 00:57:01 JasonBulmahn Seeker> I am going to wait a bit... and regain some of my sanity.. just a little anyway
18/06/2008 00:57:03 mortellan lol russ
18/06/2008 00:57:06 Mothman Jason: How did you guys go with your gencon deadline?
18/06/2008 00:57:16 ollibolli I am still reading the GSL itself, but the reactions are very negative on the paizo boards
18/06/2008 00:57:27 Charles Evans Jason: I have to go soon; since he has posted on the Ileosa thread, perhaps you can ask him what mechanic may have helped him there?
18/06/2008 00:57:29 JasonBulmahn Sam> you are probably right.. but if no copies survive.. best of luck... :-)
18/06/2008 00:57:31 seekerofshadowl thought so jason ...ya do deserver some down time
18/06/2008 00:57:36 Samwise Jason>as for third party use of your OGL material after it has been GSLed . . . GAH!
18/06/2008 00:57:37 Charles Evans (ask James, I mean)
18/06/2008 00:57:38 Russ You can't use drow and sahuagin, for pete's sake
18/06/2008 00:57:40 Pete I'm actually really glad to see the GSL. To me it differentiates the market even further, which could be good for the leader in OGL products. (hint hint)
18/06/2008 00:57:40 JasonBulmahn Charles> I will see what I can do
18/06/2008 00:57:44 Timitius Ha! If you swear more than 3 times in one sentence, it times you out!
18/06/2008 00:57:49 Russ And I'm serious - I think they went down the list and looked for books they released about monsters, and closed all of them
18/06/2008 00:57:52 Samwise Jason>errr . . . you have to destroy your inventory
18/06/2008 00:57:52 Russ Dragons are the only ones that escaped
18/06/2008 00:57:53 Crimson Jester I bet the reaction on the WotC posts will be fabulous
18/06/2008 00:57:54 Sir Wulf Russ, that's inappropriate. Sodomy might have some elements of pleasure. The GSL doesn't.
18/06/2008 00:58:03 Russ You can't use a DAMNED PIT FIEND!
18/06/2008 00:58:03 BM Eyebite, I give WotC one credit. The have made two of the world greatest pinatas in 4e and GSL given the love to bash them.
18/06/2008 00:58:04 Lilith [color=#800080] Sir Wulf, ROFL! [/color]
18/06/2008 00:58:11 JasonBulmahn Mothman> Great.. I put in a 70 hour week.. but all the books went out.. all 1,200 pages of them
18/06/2008 00:58:16 Samwise Jason>if WotC buys a copy of your product, they just produce that as evidence of your prior use of the GSL
18/06/2008 00:58:20 Russ They could at least have given me a reach around!
18/06/2008 00:58:31 kvantum well, when Vic Wertz says that a Lucas/Star Wars licsence wouldn't be this restrictive, we know it's bad
18/06/2008 00:58:37 Samwise mind you, thats pushing things, but . . .
18/06/2008 00:58:39 Pete Tim: Lorainne Williams. Lorainne Williams. Lorainne Williams. Nope, didn't kick me out.
18/06/2008 00:58:48 Mothman Jason: Im glad to hear it! (That you got the stuff out, not the 70 hour week... that kinda sucks)
18/06/2008 00:58:50 Crimson Jester Yeah Russ they could have but do you really want them to use the Icyhot?
18/06/2008 00:58:55 Eyebite I really do wonder what the future will bring for WotC now. Interesting times ahead.
18/06/2008 00:59:13 Daigle [color=#008000] Indeed [/color]
18/06/2008 00:59:21 Charles Evans Russ: I didn't see any metallic dragons in the SRD list?
18/06/2008 00:59:31 Crimson Jester ollibolli quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 00:59:36 Russ That's cause there aren't any metallic dragons in the MM
18/06/2008 00:59:40 JasonBulmahn Charles> That is because there are no metallics in the MM
18/06/2008 00:59:42 Hill Giant Charles Evans, none in the MM
18/06/2008 00:59:45 JasonBulmahn damn.. russ beat me to it
18/06/2008 00:59:48 mortellan Timitius quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 00:59:51 Pete I still wonder if the GSL is just to control the riff-raff and they're going to negotiate royalty licenses with quality folks.
18/06/2008 00:59:52 Crimson Jester All dragons are Evil now
18/06/2008 00:59:53 JasonBulmahn echo.. echo .... ehco
18/06/2008 01:00:03 BM By interesting times, a near endless stream of shitstroms for the foreseeable furture?
18/06/2008 01:00:08 JasonBulmahn Pete> Maybe
18/06/2008 01:00:11 seekerofshadowl looks like clark will have a hard time with his plans
18/06/2008 01:00:13 Samwise Jason>double ug, i see two dangerous scenarios with third party stuff
18/06/2008 01:00:28 Eyebite Yes - take shelter from the fecal wind that will come a-blowin' BM
18/06/2008 01:00:31 Sir Wulf Charles Evans, That's because there are no metallics in the MM. I just had to join the chorus.
18/06/2008 01:00:33 Samwise 1. party A uses party B's OGL material in a GSL product
18/06/2008 01:00:47 Samwise does that forcibly update party B's OGL material?
18/06/2008 01:00:50 Daigle builds a poo shelter.
18/06/2008 01:00:55 Eyebite lol
18/06/2008 01:01:01 Samwise 2. party B updates their OGL material to the GSL
18/06/2008 01:01:10 JasonBulmahn I am also interested in what happens if I put out a druid.. and then they do.. am I in breach.. it would seem that I am
18/06/2008 01:01:15 Crimson Jester casts anti poo spells
18/06/2008 01:01:19 Samwise does that prohibit party A from using the OGL version in an OGL product?
18/06/2008 01:01:21 Daigle [color=#008000] I've got plenty of OGL canned goods to last! [/color]
18/06/2008 01:01:23 Pete You have to admit, it's going to seriously curtail any crap publishers putting out erotic guide to goblin sodomy or whatever OGL allowed.
18/06/2008 01:01:31 Mothman So Jason, are you sad that Viktor Von Doom is out? (sorry, I'm being an ass...)
18/06/2008 01:01:42 JasonBulmahn Sam> Yup... messy...
18/06/2008 01:01:50 BM prepares his internet shitstrom bunker.
18/06/2008 01:01:51 Samwise that second one could hose some Pathfinder stuff if Necromancer converts the Tome of Horrors or what not
18/06/2008 01:02:02 Samwise and yes, i agree with that as well on the druid
18/06/2008 01:02:04 Eyebite I loved the erotic guide to goblin sodomy. The Goblin Butt Pirate was a great PrC
18/06/2008 01:02:05 Mothman No goblin erotica! oh noes....
18/06/2008 01:02:12 JasonBulmahn Pete> There were never really very many products like that.. as a matter of fact, I can only come up with two
18/06/2008 01:02:26 Samwise that was my question also, how the heck are they going to do that kind of "fill in the missing 2nd ed stuff" product?
18/06/2008 01:02:27 Daigle [color=#008000] :) [/color]
18/06/2008 01:02:40 JasonBulmahn Sam> Yup.. that is exactly what I was thinking about (concerning ToH)
18/06/2008 01:02:41 BM throws in some flamethrower in case of trolls.
18/06/2008 01:02:44 Samwise once a new wotc product comes out, as you said, the other one could be a technical violation of the no redefining
18/06/2008 01:02:44 Pete So... maybe a little overboard then? :-) exactly.
18/06/2008 01:02:46 Charles Evans Jason: Vile Darkness and BoEF?
18/06/2008 01:02:46 Crimson Jester I only knew of one, what other sodomy products were there?
18/06/2008 01:02:55 kvantum Jason> the BoEF, Mongoose's two books, and...
18/06/2008 01:03:16 Hill Giant Crimson Jester, anything by Nick Logue, or so I hear
18/06/2008 01:03:16 Russ The hobgoblin's guide to advanced buggery
18/06/2008 01:03:19 Sir Wulf Goblin Butt Pirates were going to be the PC's backup in an adventure I'd planned.
18/06/2008 01:03:24 JasonBulmahn Charles> Yup
18/06/2008 01:03:25 Pete Well, if you don't count the weird ass hillbilly ogres
18/06/2008 01:03:34 JasonBulmahn Charles> Although there were others that were close
18/06/2008 01:03:34 Crimson Jester LOL well some of ncks stuff have helped on a lonely night
18/06/2008 01:03:38 Samwise yeah, Nick would be pushing that clause big time
18/06/2008 01:03:47 Daigle [color=#008000] Wulf, I cetainly hope that's not for the game Sunday [/color]
18/06/2008 01:03:59 JasonBulmahn Crimson> no more talking from you :-)
18/06/2008 01:04:08 JasonBulmahn Sam> Yup
18/06/2008 01:04:17 Sir Wulf Oops, forgot you were here...
18/06/2008 01:04:19 Charles Evans What we need are a couple of mirrors of opposition and to leave the GSL trapped in between them, leaving it to fights itself until it burns out of existence.....:D
18/06/2008 01:04:22 JasonBulmahn Mothman quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 01:04:25 Sir Wulf smiles deviously...
18/06/2008 01:04:29 Daigle [color=#008000] Just be gentle [/color]
18/06/2008 01:04:29 JasonBulmahn Sam> You should see his raw turnover.. yowsa.. :-)
18/06/2008 01:04:42 Samwise no doubt
18/06/2008 01:04:46 Samwise but then . . .
18/06/2008 01:04:50 Pete GBP sneak attack was really... unpleasant
18/06/2008 01:05:00 Crimson Jester Hey its not as bad as some things Nick has said!!
18/06/2008 01:05:04 Samwise i created the breeding yoke, so im pretty bad myself
18/06/2008 01:05:15 Samwise i also created the hextor/heironeous sacred band eresy :P
18/06/2008 01:05:24 Mothman Jason: So you guys must be pretty happy (even more so) that you didn't wait for the GSL...
18/06/2008 01:05:34 JasonBulmahn Moth> That we are
18/06/2008 01:05:43 Russ I coined the term "rapelings" for half-orcs and the like
18/06/2008 01:05:45 Eyebite Seriously, champagne all around at the Paizo office tomorrow?
18/06/2008 01:05:45 Pete They're bloody brillant, they are!
18/06/2008 01:05:55 Samwise but geeze . . . this "thing"
18/06/2008 01:05:59 Sir Wulf Samwise, that was a major part of Nyrond's "very secret" history.
18/06/2008 01:06:04 Mothman I loved Erik's call "It's a trap!"
18/06/2008 01:06:05 Russ Jason - definitely dodged a bullet with PFRPG
18/06/2008 01:06:09 Pete Let me know when Paizo goes public. I'm in that IPO.
18/06/2008 01:06:14 JasonBulmahn Mothman> Me too
18/06/2008 01:06:28 JasonBulmahn Pete> Can do...
18/06/2008 01:06:36 Crimson Jester Is there anything positive you noticed about the GSL Jason
18/06/2008 01:06:55 Crimson Jester Mothman Link?
18/06/2008 01:07:00 JasonBulmahn Crimson> When I read it.. my eyes did not boil... :-)
18/06/2008 01:07:02 Samwise Sir Wulf>is it?
18/06/2008 01:07:07 JasonBulmahn Crimson> immediately
18/06/2008 01:07:10 JasonBulmahn :-)
18/06/2008 01:07:11 Pete Ackbar was right!
18/06/2008 01:07:18 Samwise someone dug that up and used it?
18/06/2008 01:07:18 Russ The fact that it exists is a positive.
18/06/2008 01:07:27 Russ Even as crap as it is, it still allows some 3rd part work
18/06/2008 01:07:39 Sir Wulf Samwise, I can't tell. It's still secret.
18/06/2008 01:07:39 BM The fact that you don't have to accept the GSL? that seems to be the only good thing about it.
18/06/2008 01:07:50 JasonBulmahn Yeah... it can allow some folks to publish 4E material.. without cost.. and that is a good thing... but for someone whose livelyhood depends on it.. it is dangerous
18/06/2008 01:07:51 Russ But...what was Erik's comment? "I cannot conceive of a universe in which 5th edition has an SRD?"
18/06/2008 01:08:06 Hill Giant So, with the tightening up of the D&D license, you think we'll see a return to every small company having their own system?
18/06/2008 01:08:08 kvantum it's a sham. token 3rd party to prep us for the "5e no 3rd parties at all" licsence
18/06/2008 01:08:09 JasonBulmahn Russ> me neither
18/06/2008 01:08:12 Charles Evans Jason: apart from telling you guys what great jobs you've been doing (especially keeping tight deadlines to get all that product out the door last friday) and yoda sending you occasional relief deliveries of Pizza, is there anything else we can do for you at present???
18/06/2008 01:08:12 Pete I think will work fine for someone who wants to put out some pdf's or the like
18/06/2008 01:08:40 Lilith [color=#800080] JasonBulmahn, how do you feel about the idea of Pathfinder Comics, either original stories or prequels to the Adventure Paths, or converting the Pathfinder Journals. [/color]
18/06/2008 01:08:44 Crimson Jester How will it affect or impact Paizo and your current and future plans?
18/06/2008 01:08:47 JasonBulmahn charles> not really.. we are on cruise control now.. need to get through the convention season.. which can play havoc on our schedules
18/06/2008 01:08:49 Pete 2-3$ sort of stuff. side treks
18/06/2008 01:09:05 JasonBulmahn Lilith> they would be awesome
18/06/2008 01:09:11 Mothman http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/4thEdition/gSLPosted& amp;page=4 Crimson, somehwere in this thread, but I cant find the post now
18/06/2008 01:09:20 Lilith [color=#800080] JasonBulmahn, Eeeeexcellent. *plots, plans, plots* [/color]
18/06/2008 01:09:28 Crimson Jester Rock on Mothman Thank you
18/06/2008 01:09:29 JasonBulmahn Crimson> Not much at the present.. we are continuing on as planned
18/06/2008 01:09:30 ‹Samwise› Sir Wulf>if they did, i would rather hope they at least gave me credit for it, even if they didnt bother actually asking me if they could use it
18/06/2008 01:09:31 ‹Russ› Woohoo! Pathfinder comics! We'll call them Magnimar Bibles!
18/06/2008 01:09:36 ‹seekerofshadowl› yay pathfinder comices
18/06/2008 01:09:40 ‹Lilith› Russ, :D
18/06/2008 01:09:41 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 01:09:50 ‹JasonBulmahn› Which was one of our goals with the PFRPG.. we decide our fate
18/06/2008 01:09:54 ‹Pete› Lilith: Paper or PDF? I'm suscribed to Marvel's site.
18/06/2008 01:10:03 ‹mortellan› comics? did someone say comics?
18/06/2008 01:10:08 ‹Daigle› The Golarion Broadsheet
18/06/2008 01:10:13 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith?Jason: On the comics front is there anyone official at Paizo who would like to have things run past them to check for continuity issues?
18/06/2008 01:10:14 ‹Lilith› Pete, see here: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...rComics
18/06/2008 01:10:15 ‹seekerofshadowl› how big you thinking the finished book will be jason?
18/06/2008 01:10:21 ‹Mothman› Crimson - its a long thread - I think it was about page 3 or 4
18/06/2008 01:10:30 ‹Samwise› the Greyhawk Grumbler :P
18/06/2008 01:10:37 ‹Crimson Jester› Yeah now im planning a book
18/06/2008 01:10:40 ‹Crimson Jester› :)
18/06/2008 01:10:49 ‹Lilith› Daigle, I like that!
18/06/2008 01:10:52 ‹JasonBulmahn› Seeker> probably somewhere between 500 and 550 pages
18/06/2008 01:10:55 ‹kvantum› Russ>shouldn't that be Riddleport Bibles... well, I suppose that's for the rule 34 versions...
18/06/2008 01:11:01 ‹seekerofshadowl› sweetness
18/06/2008 01:11:06 ‹Russ› Riddleport works better :)
18/06/2008 01:11:09 ‹Pete› Erik called it pretty accurate in his podcast with Pramas. Guess he's pretty smug tomorrow at work.
18/06/2008 01:11:17 ‹Hill Giant› JasonBulmahn, have y'all considered doing it in two books?
18/06/2008 01:11:21 ‹Russ› When isn't Erik smug?
18/06/2008 01:11:30 ‹Pete› Russ: Sorry, right.
18/06/2008 01:11:36 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: when he's worrying about the future?
18/06/2008 01:11:51 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hill> we have.. but one book is cheaper than two....
18/06/2008 01:11:51 ‹Charles Evans› :)
18/06/2008 01:12:11 ‹seekerofshadowl› one book is fine with me
18/06/2008 01:12:11 ‹Samwise› erik called what accurate in the podcast with pramas?
18/06/2008 01:12:13 ‹JasonBulmahn› brb... 3 min
18/06/2008 01:12:37 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Although I did make a quote from Lord of the rings about Erik on a thread off the Minions stir card from ICE's CCG.
18/06/2008 01:12:42 ‹Lilith› mortellan: Wanna do a WoG-style Pathfinder comic? :P
18/06/2008 01:12:54 ‹Pete› Sam: What the GSL would and wouldn't entail and how Paizo should/could react
18/06/2008 01:13:00 ‹seekerofshadowl› Wog?
18/06/2008 01:13:21 ‹mortellan› Lilith
18/06/2008 01:13:21 ‹Samwise› ahhhhhh
18/06/2008 01:13:30 ‹Pete› Paizo could do a separate line of one off modules. short, sweet, cheap. probably pdf. easy to dispose of if need be.
18/06/2008 01:13:32 ‹mortellan› i'd need to know more about golarion than i do now
18/06/2008 01:13:34 ‹Charles Evans› :( Jason has gone for now...
18/06/2008 01:13:38 ‹Samwise› i expected much of this as well
18/06/2008 01:13:42 ‹Samwise› its just . . .
18/06/2008 01:13:51 ‹Charles Evans› :$:
18/06/2008 01:13:59 ‹Samwise› there are still those points jason and i have been going back and forth about
18/06/2008 01:14:06 ‹Samwise› that just do not seem thoroughly defined
18/06/2008 01:14:06 ‹Lilith› mortellan, get the Gazetteer. :P
18/06/2008 01:14:13 ‹Samwise› and i dont like them
18/06/2008 01:14:22 ‹Samwise› not that i matter not being a publisher
18/06/2008 01:14:29 ‹Crimson Jester› well you can always use the Sinister adventures for sidequests
18/06/2008 01:14:31 ‹Samwise› but they set off my paranoia alarms
18/06/2008 01:14:32 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. has anyone notice the Icon here for :$: uses a '$' on the same key (on some keyboards) as '4'?
18/06/2008 01:14:48 ‹Samwise› they are traps waiting for wotc to use to cancel the gsl on people they dont like
18/06/2008 01:15:03 ‹Pete› Sam: Doesn't the tinfoil hat feel comfy?
18/06/2008 01:15:14 ‹Samwise› and id be careful no matter what about this whole "reasonably determined by wotc" on product lines
18/06/2008 01:15:22 ‹Crimson Jester› Goerge Takai just got married
18/06/2008 01:15:34 ‹Pete› Go Sulu!
18/06/2008 01:15:34 ‹Daigle› Congrats George!
18/06/2008 01:15:35 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, hooray! Who's the lucky lad? :)
18/06/2008 01:15:36 ‹mortellan› yahoo!
18/06/2008 01:15:36 ‹ollibolli› I am still flabbergasted, that Wizards put the cost for their legal department on the licensees shoulders
18/06/2008 01:15:38 ‹kvantum› Charles - 4e easily being mis-typed as $e... no, it's a coincidence
18/06/2008 01:15:46 ‹Crimson Jester› His long time Partner
18/06/2008 01:15:49 ‹Pete› His partner for many years. Good guy.
18/06/2008 01:15:56 ‹Timitius› Crimson Jester, Oh MY!
18/06/2008 01:15:57 ‹kvantum› I thought Takei was just getting his licsense today and married in September
18/06/2008 01:16:02 ‹Samwise› Pete>as we say in NYC, its not paranoia if they really are out to get you
18/06/2008 01:16:02 ‹ollibolli› this is an absolute nono as it can be used to ruin your life
18/06/2008 01:16:06 ‹Crimson Jester› No today
18/06/2008 01:16:11 ‹Crimson Jester› just saw it
18/06/2008 01:16:22 ‹Pete› www.georgetakei.com has pics
18/06/2008 01:16:27 ‹Russ› I thought it said WotC would assume costs for some of that?
18/06/2008 01:16:46 * guest236 joins My room
18/06/2008 01:16:47 ‹seekerofshadowl› way to go sulu then
18/06/2008 01:16:56 * Locke1520 quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 01:17:00 ‹Samwise› i still find it weird that sulu is into dudes
18/06/2008 01:17:09 ‹ollibolli› Licensee will be responsible for all legal costs, including Wizards’ attorneys’ fees, associated with any action required by Wizards to enforce the terms of this License.
18/06/2008 01:17:10 ‹Samwise› he always seemed so butch on the enterprise ;)
18/06/2008 01:17:10 ‹seekerofshadowl› ah to each his own
18/06/2008 01:17:25 ‹Samwise› ollibolli>oh, thats standard contract stuff
18/06/2008 01:17:39 ‹Pete› that's standard legalese. in most all ip contracts actually
18/06/2008 01:17:40 * guest236 changes his/her nickname to Sir Wulf
18/06/2008 01:17:50 ‹Samwise› seeker>its not upsetting, just . . . shocking :D
18/06/2008 01:17:57 ‹ollibolli› i still don't like it
18/06/2008 01:17:59 ‹Pete› legal costs and attorney's fees are normal
18/06/2008 01:17:59 * guest396 joins My room
18/06/2008 01:17:59 ‹seekerofshadowl› lol
18/06/2008 01:18:10 ‹Samwise› olli>the same with the severability clause
18/06/2008 01:18:13 ‹JasonBulmahn› Back
18/06/2008 01:18:15 ‹BM› Still hurts to think about how much WotC/Hasbro's lawyers cost.
18/06/2008 01:18:21 ‹Samwise› so if one part is thrown out the rest remains
18/06/2008 01:18:22 ‹Russ› Samwise - the oiled chest wasn't a clue?
18/06/2008 01:18:23 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn: Hooray!
18/06/2008 01:18:26 ‹seekerofshadowl› first I heard we was gay sam
18/06/2008 01:18:26 ‹guest396› What's the nickname change trick?
18/06/2008 01:18:34 ‹Lilith› guest396, "/nick YourName"
18/06/2008 01:18:41 * guest396 changes his/her nickname to James Jacobs
18/06/2008 01:18:43 ‹Russ› The severability clauses aren't terribly enforceable usually.
18/06/2008 01:18:43 ‹Pete› Jason: What was your favorite part of DnD Day?
18/06/2008 01:18:45 ‹James Jacobs› HA! There we go
18/06/2008 01:18:48 ‹seekerofshadowl› hey james
18/06/2008 01:18:51 ‹Lilith› JAAAAAAAAAAAAAMES! *glomp*
18/06/2008 01:18:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy James
18/06/2008 01:18:57 ‹James Jacobs› Hi there!
18/06/2008 01:18:58 ‹Eyebite› Hey James
18/06/2008 01:19:00 ‹Samwise› Russ>hes asian, they are all non-hirsute
18/06/2008 01:19:00 ‹Charles Evans› James/Jason: Who would you like Lilith to run any continuity checks past for Pathfinder comics?
18/06/2008 01:19:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Hanging out with my friends from Wotc
18/06/2008 01:19:07 * Lilith hugs James Jacobs inappropriately!
18/06/2008 01:19:12 ‹kvantum› James> so you still have sanity left after the GSL, huh?
18/06/2008 01:19:12 ‹Daigle› Welcome to our Chatroom refuge center!
18/06/2008 01:19:16 * Charles Evans cthulhu raptor glomps James Jacobs!
18/06/2008 01:19:17 ‹Russ› There's good odds that if a major portion of a contract is wiped out ,the courts will rule the whole thing is garbage, clause or no clause. Welcome to weaselwords.
18/06/2008 01:19:18 ‹Mothman› James!
18/06/2008 01:19:20 ‹Pete› Jason: That's always the best part of DnD :-)
18/06/2008 01:19:23 ‹Samwise› wait . . . can i say that under the gsl?
18/06/2008 01:19:27 ‹James Jacobs› Sorry I'm so late. Spent the last couple of hours filling out Employee Review forms... <narrows eyes at Jason...>
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18/06/2008 01:19:35 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, LOL!
18/06/2008 01:19:43 ‹Samwise› russ>well, a court could sever the severability clause ;)
18/06/2008 01:19:43 ‹Russ› James - NO DEMONS in the GSL!
18/06/2008 01:19:47 ‹Pete› I didn't get my peer review form
18/06/2008 01:19:54 ‹Samwise› Russ>no drow or driders either
18/06/2008 01:20:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> Hi james.. the best guy in the world... can I get you something.. a beverage.. or a hooker... :-)
18/06/2008 01:20:05 ‹James Jacobs› kvantum> I have plenty of sanity left about the GSL... because it doesn't really affect Pathfinder. Whew!
18/06/2008 01:20:08 ‹Mothman› Employee Review forms? James, does that mean you review other people, or someone is reviewing you ...? Or both?
18/06/2008 01:20:10 ‹Eyebite› Samwise, Russ - are either of you attorneys?
18/06/2008 01:20:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Welcome Mr. Jacobs
18/06/2008 01:20:12 ‹Hill Giant› Russ, No demons?
18/06/2008 01:20:20 ‹Charles Evans› James: They steal your creatures under the GSL!
18/06/2008 01:20:24 ‹James Jacobs› HA! <goes back to erase one of Jason's many Negative lies...>
18/06/2008 01:20:25 ‹Samwise› Eyebite>no, but . . .
18/06/2008 01:20:26 ‹Mothman› Ha! I think Jason just answered my question...
18/06/2008 01:20:30 ‹Russ› No, I'm not a lawyer. But I have reviewed contracts I've signed :)
18/06/2008 01:20:42 ‹kvantum› hill> "demon" and "devil" are in. succubus and pit fiend are not
18/06/2008 01:20:44 ‹Timitius› JasonBulmahn, My favorite part of D&D Day...well, aside from getting your photo and talking with you....um...the whole day!
18/06/2008 01:21:10 ‹kvantum› the categories of demon and devil are in, the specific types are not
18/06/2008 01:21:10 ‹Eyebite› Ah, here in Cali - all attorneys fees clauses, by statute, enforced in California run both ways. The prevailing party then recovers their fees and costs
18/06/2008 01:21:11 ‹Samwise› Eyebite>i trained myself to translate jargon, and i read a piece on writing martial arts indemnification contracts, and it explained the stuff about severability and indemnification
18/06/2008 01:21:12 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Erik's doing my review tomorrow, and then I get to do reviews for the rest of the Editorial staff... which would normally stress me out but not really now since all them folk are SUPERSTARS!!!!!!
18/06/2008 01:21:15 * Russ quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 01:21:17 ‹JasonBulmahn› Tim> It was fun to hang out
18/06/2008 01:21:26 ‹Russ› Hill giant - the term "demon" is ok, but all specific are not
18/06/2008 01:21:31 ‹Russ› Hill giant - the term "demon" is ok, but all specific are not
18/06/2008 01:21:35 ‹Russ› oops
18/06/2008 01:21:37 ‹Samwise› Eyebite>yes, i expect as much
18/06/2008 01:21:44 ‹Hill Giant› kvantum, doesn't that just mean anyone can make their own succubus, seeing as how they don't own the word, and they can't protect from redefintion somethings that's not in the SRD?
18/06/2008 01:21:45 ‹Pete› James: Good timing doing reviews after a major deadline. Smart. "didn't make it" DING!
18/06/2008 01:21:50 ‹Timitius› JasonBulmahn, Even under the giant, unyielding eye of the beholder.....
01:22:14 ‹Russ› I'm shocked that they closed even more monsters
18/06/2008 01:22:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Hill Giant> Nope.. Succubus is a part of 4E... and it is a closed term
18/06/2008 01:22:27 ‹Pete› I love doing reviews. Just a laugh a minute.
18/06/2008 01:22:34 ‹Russ› Especially ones they obviously didn't invent (drow, displacer beasts again, sahuagin....)
18/06/2008 01:22:35 ‹Samwise› Russ>have you done a full comparison yet? i was out all night
18/06/2008 01:22:35 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> actually, the way I look at that is that if you do a 4th edition GSL product, you can't use succubus. Or tarrasque. Or balors. They're closed... yeah. What Jason Said.
18/06/2008 01:22:38 ‹Crimson Jester› How can you copy right "Succubus"??
18/06/2008 01:22:50 ‹James Jacobs› it's not a copyright
18/06/2008 01:22:52 ‹Mothman› surely not ...?
18/06/2008 01:22:57 ‹Timitius› JasonBulmahn, I was surprised you didn't force your way to Stephen's table......like I did with Mearls. :p
18/06/2008 01:22:57 ‹Russ› Samwise - for the monsters? I did a flip through
18/06/2008 01:22:57 ‹James Jacobs› It's part of a license.
18/06/2008 01:22:57 ‹Samwise› gah . . . they closed sahuagin?
18/06/2008 01:23:06 ‹Russ› Hmm, did they close bulettes too?
18/06/2008 01:23:10 ‹Hill Giant› So, Incubus it is then. ;-)
18/06/2008 01:23:14 ‹Pete› copyright is quite diff
18/06/2008 01:23:22 ‹Russ› Yeah, I guess my Superstar entry is invalidated :P (I know, past)
18/06/2008 01:23:22 ‹James Jacobs› Basically... the license says, if you want to play in our sandbox, you can't use all the tools we use.
18/06/2008 01:23:30 ‹Crimson Jester› ahh
18/06/2008 01:23:32 ‹Mothman› So does that mean you couldn't use Wizard's succubus, or you couldnt make your own ... or both?
18/06/2008 01:23:35 ‹Daigle› But thanks for bringing it up.
18/06/2008 01:23:36 ‹Samwise› Hill Giant>you have to be careful, you are not allowed to redefine terms
18/06/2008 01:23:40 ‹Pete› unless we say ok. in writing. and get first review
18/06/2008 01:23:45 ‹Crimson Jester› Did not read it....dont like reading crap
18/06/2008 01:23:46 ‹Samwise› Mothman>both
18/06/2008 01:23:57 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: so are you going to be ribbing your fellow gamers over at WotC about this GSL release the next time you meet up for a game? :)
18/06/2008 01:24:00 ‹JasonBulmahn› Tim> Yeah.. but I get to play with Mearls on occassion.. others do not...
18/06/2008 01:24:04 ‹Samwise› i really dont like that define, redefine, or alter the definition of clause
18/06/2008 01:24:14 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> Not really.. it is not their doing
18/06/2008 01:24:20 ‹Mothman› wow....
18/06/2008 01:24:30 ‹Daigle› Is that just legal houserules? :P
18/06/2008 01:24:30 ‹James Jacobs› The way I read it... if a product were to include a new monster statblock for an Incubus, and then later Wizards creates their own incubus and puts that into the GSL, then the 3rd party publisher would have to cease selling their own incubus-enabled product and would have to destroy their inventory.
18/06/2008 01:24:45 ‹Daigle› "I'm the DM and what I say goes!"
18/06/2008 01:24:48 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> That is the way I read it too
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18/06/2008 01:25:01 ‹seekerofshadowl› the GSL seems very heavy handed
18/06/2008 01:25:02 ‹Pete› yep
18/06/2008 01:25:02 ‹James Jacobs› That might not be the intent of the GSL, but that's the way it reads.
18/06/2008 01:25:23 ‹Pete› again seems like "we get first review of what you do" cause you'd want to check first
18/06/2008 01:25:25 ‹Crimson Jester› But this only works if you produce 4e products it doesnt work if you are still making things under the OGL right?
18/06/2008 01:25:31 ‹James Jacobs› Correct
18/06/2008 01:25:32 ‹Sir Wulf› It does seem a blank check to commandeer any ideas they like from third-party GSL products.
18/06/2008 01:25:41 ‹Mothman› As a 3rd party publisher, you'd need to make all your monsters really lame with lame names just to esure they didn't get revoked...
18/06/2008 01:25:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Wulf> Yup
18/06/2008 01:25:50 ‹Locke1520› And while not the intent of it today who can say how they'll deal with it in a year
18/06/2008 01:25:54 ‹Lilith› Pete, yeah, the first review smells funny to me. "Oh that's a good idea, *yoink*." >.>
18/06/2008 01:25:54 ‹James Jacobs› Basically, you get permission to put that D&D logo on your product, but you have to comply with their rules.
18/06/2008 01:26:01 ‹mortellan› wulf> kinda sounds like their Gleemax ToS
18/06/2008 01:26:05 ‹Hill Giant› Mothman, this is WotC, lame names don't worry them ;-)
18/06/2008 01:26:06 ‹Samwise› James>yes, it does seem to lean that way, since it says they can update the GSL without notice
18/06/2008 01:26:11 ‹Pete› It's a real "brand" again
18/06/2008 01:26:12 ‹Russ› It's a lot like the Lorraine era of licensing.
18/06/2008 01:26:15 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: ribbing=making fun of it... I assume that there would be pretty stony silence (bad thing) if they had any part in it. I understand it was likely over your friends' heads, and all corporate lawyer meddling.
18/06/2008 01:26:26 ‹Mothman› Hill Giant: hey Flumph is a cool name!
18/06/2008 01:26:29 ‹Pete› Russ: Gah! The Name!
18/06/2008 01:26:33 ‹Russ› What's not to love about a coffinblack adder?
18/06/2008 01:26:38 ‹Russ› (I made a 4thE name!)
18/06/2008 01:26:59 ‹Russ› Don't you mean a Fearbelly Flumph?
18/06/2008 01:27:05 ‹JasonBulmahn› Charles> well.. yeah.. there will be some "making of fun" at their expense.. as long as I do not redefine the 4E term "fun"
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18/06/2008 01:27:08 ‹JasonBulmahn› :-)
18/06/2008 01:27:08 ‹Pete› My first 4E Monster Name: The Bul-mahn
18/06/2008 01:27:16 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, ROFL! :D
18/06/2008 01:27:23 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Agreed :)
18/06/2008 01:27:26 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> That one is taken
18/06/2008 01:27:42 ‹Crimson Jester› Ok well ignoring the GSL what did you think of 4E part 1??
18/06/2008 01:27:42 ‹Sir Wulf› Realistically, those in the GAMES part of the industry would hesitate to do that, but the rest of Hasbro might have no such inhibitions.
18/06/2008 01:27:43 ‹Russ› I'm gonna text search the PF RPG for "fun"
18/06/2008 01:27:51 ‹Samwise› James>but then there are the things Jason noted earlier that i had picked up on, what about all this "make a fill in druid" plans
18/06/2008 01:27:54 ‹Pete› If I make a 4E Bul-mahn and then WotC creates one, do they have to come take Jason?
01:28:09 ‹Charles Evans› Jason: Good post by Lisa by the way on the thread The Jade started on the RPGSuperstar forum...
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18/06/2008 01:28:14 ‹Samwise› and simply, whats to prevent wotc from deliberately creating new stuff that gsl users create?
18/06/2008 01:28:28 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Yes.. and then I must be destroyed.. I do not like where this is going
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18/06/2008 01:28:44 ‹Charles Evans› You all have amazing senses of humour under pressure.
18/06/2008 01:28:44 ‹Crimson Jester› well we cnat loose you Jason
18/06/2008 01:28:51 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> yeah. If you make a book that presents a new druid, and then WotC releases a book that has a druid and they update the GSL to include the druid... your version of the druid is now not compliant with the GSL and it (and any books you did that built on it or used it) have to go away.
18/06/2008 01:28:56 ‹Pete› Must. Destroy. Bul. Mahn.
18/06/2008 01:29:13 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> As far as I read the GSL... there's nothing to prevent WotC from doing that.
18/06/2008 01:29:13 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Get in line
18/06/2008 01:29:18 ‹Samwise› James>i doubt Clark would like that :P
18/06/2008 01:29:22 ‹JasonBulmahn› :-)
18/06/2008 01:29:25 ‹James Jacobs› I doubt that as well.
18/06/2008 01:29:27 ‹Pete› :-)
18/06/2008 01:29:34 ‹seekerofshadowl› does not seem good for clark
18/06/2008 01:29:43 ‹Russ› Ah darn it, I did find "fun" in PFRPG
18/06/2008 01:29:45 ‹Timitius› Pete, I'm afraid that Jason could quite easily crush you, if you insist upon persuing this line.
18/06/2008 01:29:51 ‹Samwise› James>and i had the same question Jason had about Necromancer updating the Tome of Horrors, and how that would affect Pathfinder OGL use of it
18/06/2008 01:29:57 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Ummm. How many times has the Tarrasque gone on the rampage on Golarion before it got sealed away? I noticed the Tarrasque got some mention in the Gazetteer.
18/06/2008 01:29:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Does anyone know if Clark has posted any thoughts on the GSL?
18/06/2008 01:30:08 ‹Pete› Tim: Oh, I would leave that to WotC legal. I know to stay out of their way.
18/06/2008 01:30:11 ‹Lilith› Doesn't seem good for Clark, Joseph Goodman, or anybody that wanted to produce 4e material, particularly adventures.
18/06/2008 01:30:12 ‹Russ› I think Clark is camped out on the toilet venting his spleen
18/06/2008 01:30:19 ‹Lilith› Russ, LOL
18/06/2008 01:30:22 ‹BM› Which sucks for him, because he stood up for them, and now it looks like his plans are going to get axed by the GSL.
18/06/2008 01:30:22 ‹James Jacobs› It seems to me that if Clark wants to do his books, he'll need to negotiate a different deal/license with WotC beyond the GSL to do so. Or he'll just have to prepare himself to destroy whatever he doesn't sell by the time WotC updates any of the things in his book.
18/06/2008 01:30:36 ‹JasonBulmahn› Crimson> Not yet
18/06/2008 01:30:53 ‹Pete› Or he could change all the names. Brad instead of Bard
18/06/2008 01:30:57 ‹Samwise› oh . . .
18/06/2008 01:31:01 ‹Eyebite› I think I read that Clark is taking the night to review the GSL and will comment later
18/06/2008 01:31:01 ‹seekerofshadowl› not sure if wotc will go for that james
18/06/2008 01:31:10 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete> Ohhh.. i am a 5th level brad
18/06/2008 01:31:11 ‹Mothman› I want to play the Brad!
18/06/2008 01:31:17 ‹Samwise› i also noticed that all the 4E stuff to be released at gen con by anyone, has to be freebies
18/06/2008 01:31:21 ‹Daigle› You would, Mothy.
18/06/2008 01:31:21 ‹Pete› Hi Brad!
18/06/2008 01:31:24 ‹kvantum› I call Durid!
18/06/2008 01:31:29 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> If Clark updates the Tome for 4th... we can still use the 3.5 or 3.0 version of it. He'll have to destroy it or something eventually... but we'd be able to continue using it since it still exists. He just can't sell more 3.5 versions of the product, which would likely force us to reprint it or something.
18/06/2008 01:31:33 ‹seekerofshadowl› or a minstril
18/06/2008 01:31:34 * Charles Evans gives up on any attempt to ask pathfinder questions.....
18/06/2008 01:31:36 ‹mortellan› gencon swag!
18/06/2008 01:31:43 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Are you logging this?
18/06/2008 01:31:48 ‹Mothman› Daigle .... grrrr ...... ;-)
18/06/2008 01:31:50 * Russ volunteers to revamp monsters CHEAP
18/06/2008 01:31:52 ‹kvantum› We also need a Mokn and a Rabrabian.
18/06/2008 01:31:54 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The tarrasque has gone on a rampage at least once before it got sealed away.
18/06/2008 01:31:58 ‹Sir Wulf› It looks like they want a handle on competing creature or class collections, rather than adventures. Adventures are less likely to include new items that would be superseded by GSL updates.
18/06/2008 01:31:58 ‹Hill Giant› Tome of horrors ---> Home of Terrors - new line
18/06/2008 01:32:01 ‹Pete› "Hi I'm a Brad, I'm here to play my DRUMS OF DOOM!"
18/06/2008 01:32:02 ‹James Jacobs› Probably just once
18/06/2008 01:32:02 ‹Daigle› lol
18/06/2008 01:32:03 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, trying to catch it all, but the buffer isn't as large as the other chat room.
18/06/2008 01:32:07 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> This gets into the tricky question though.. could we reprint the open parts of ToH?
18/06/2008 01:32:07 ‹Russ› i'll be the rouge!
18/06/2008 01:32:13 ‹Samwise› James>yes, id expect thats how it should work, although . . .
18/06/2008 01:32:15 ‹Samwise› heh
01:32:16 ‹Russ› An mook and a barbarbarian
18/06/2008 01:32:19 ‹Samwise› what Jason said ;)
18/06/2008 01:32:23 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> If he puts out a 4E version
18/06/2008 01:32:26 ‹Crimson Jester› im the rouge rogue
18/06/2008 01:32:34 ‹Daigle› Its a barbarellan
18/06/2008 01:32:38 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith Lots of cut & pasting to the clipboard and into Word?
18/06/2008 01:32:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> That is the part that is totally unclear...
18/06/2008 01:32:42 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Actually... no 4E stuff can be released at Gen Con by 3rd Party publishers. None of that can be released (for free or profit, as far as I can tell) until October 1st.
18/06/2008 01:32:45 * ollibolli quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 01:32:50 * Russ starts playing the orc drums...ears begin to bleed
18/06/2008 01:32:56 ‹Pete› 10/1 is correct. that was clear
18/06/2008 01:33:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› Russ> Nice... well remembered
18/06/2008 01:33:01 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, ayup. :)
18/06/2008 01:33:04 ‹Samwise› and it seems to just be a bit . . . i dunno . . . someone updates their ogl material to gsl and the ogl material becomes open game for others to publish?
18/06/2008 01:33:09 ‹Mothman› Gizard? Wizbang? Magic-magic-man?
18/06/2008 01:33:16 ‹Lilith› Russ, ack! *covers her ears*
18/06/2008 01:33:18 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> Yes, we could reprint parts of the ToH, or the entire thing. Just because it's no longer for sale doesn't mean it vanishes.
18/06/2008 01:33:20 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: The Oliphaunt of Jandelay is more destructive and bigger and badder than the tarrasque though?
18/06/2008 01:33:20 ‹Russ› I think we ALL just got wizbanged.
18/06/2008 01:33:22 ‹Sir Wulf› Ah, the Orcish drums of council... Soothing to the Orcish ear.
18/06/2008 01:33:22 ‹Lilith› Mr Shouty Man class! :D
18/06/2008 01:33:30 ‹Daigle› LOL
18/06/2008 01:33:38 ‹Daigle› cappadocious would be so happy
18/06/2008 01:33:44 ‹Samwise› James>no, the last sentence of 5.4 says you can give away 4E stuff before october 1st
18/06/2008 01:33:47 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> yes. The Oliphaunt is more like a Lovecraftian Great Old One than anything else.
18/06/2008 01:33:50 ‹Crimson Jester› Jabberwocky the worlds most dangerous Dragon
18/06/2008 01:33:55 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Ah. Missed that one.
18/06/2008 01:33:57 ‹Mothman› Warlord. ... oh wait, they actually did that one....
18/06/2008 01:34:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› James> I know.. but there are a number of clauses in there that make it seem like Clark would have to pursue us to not publish it... at his expense...
18/06/2008 01:34:12 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> Interesting.
18/06/2008 01:34:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: So in a clash between legendary beasties, who would win in a fight between the Oliphaunt and the 4E GSL?
18/06/2008 01:34:24 ‹Timitius› Raging Knitting Needles +4, right here Russ...let's go.
18/06/2008 01:34:25
18/06/2008 01:36:28 ‹seekerofshadowl› well I would buy it kvantum,
18/06/2008 01:36:32 ‹Sir Wulf› I suspect that you could make the argument that you published material in the good faith understanmding that it was legitimate. They'd go down in flames if they took you to court.
18/06/2008 01:36:35 ‹Daigle› If it came out last week it would have been a major distraction to meeting deadlines.
18/06/2008 01:36:35 ‹Hill Giant› kvantum, Too short? :-)
18/06/2008 01:36:35 ‹Eyebite› I'm surprised the terms are so ambiguous and they aren't defined in their use, and/or there isn't a separate definitions section
18/06/2008 01:36:38 ‹James Jacobs› That said... not every critter in the ToH NEEDS to be preserved...
18/06/2008 01:36:41 ‹Pete› Do you really think "Objectionable" isn't meant to be within the 'offending society' sense?
18/06/2008 01:36:47 ‹Samwise› Jason>and what about "reasonably determined"? thats another fine turn of phrase
18/06/2008 01:36:53 ‹Samwise› errr, James
18/06/2008 01:36:55 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, wolf in sheep's clothing?
18/06/2008 01:37:01 ‹seekerofshadowl› James Jacobs, wise words james
18/06/2008 01:37:10 ‹kvantum› Hill> it needs ToH 1-3 and the SRD monsters
18/06/2008 01:37:12 ‹Crimson Jester› No James say it isnt so, we must save each lovely horror filled bit
18/06/2008 01:37:18 ‹JasonBulmahn› Sam> ugg
18/06/2008 01:37:25 * Russ quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 01:37:30 ‹Samwise› "well, you have item cards labeled for the pathfinder line, so any item cards are pathfinder line"
18/06/2008 01:37:32 ‹Crimson Jester› what else can we use for TP when we run out
18/06/2008 01:37:40 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> I think "objectionable" is meant to be a variable term that gives WotC legal footing to deny a product without having to give concrete limits or guidelines.
18/06/2008 01:37:53 ‹JasonBulmahn› Alright everybody.. my time draws to an end tonight.. got som "takin it easy" to do
18/06/2008 01:37:58 ‹Pete› I'm still maintaining that this GSL is just a big arm twist to get 3rd parties to negotiate something better and cut out the low end folk
18/06/2008 01:38:02 ‹JasonBulmahn› Last questions
18/06/2008 01:38:06 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, doooo it! Relax! You know you can! :D
18/06/2008 01:38:10 ‹Daigle› None here
18/06/2008 01:38:14 ‹kvantum› Jason> it's not like you've done anything to earn it... :)
18/06/2008 01:38:17 ‹Daigle› Take care Jason!
18/06/2008 01:38:19 ‹Lilith› JasonBulmahn, hugs! *hugs inappropriately*
18/06/2008 01:38:23 ‹James Jacobs› I think the GSL is Stage one of an attempt to make D&D a closed system again.
18/06/2008 01:38:24 ‹Samwise› James>i see a whole bunch of those phrases being some serious traps for anyone they want to revoke the license for
18/06/2008 01:38:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I thought Clark was in the roleplaying business for the friendship with great guys like you and as a hobby from his day-job?
18/06/2008 01:38:27 ‹Locke1520› night Jason
18/06/2008 01:38:30 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Bul Man
18/06/2008 01:38:30 ‹JasonBulmahn› Kvantum> true...
18/06/2008 01:38:33 ‹Sir Wulf› G'night, Jason!
18/06/2008 01:38:34 ‹Pete› When are you writing up the Cursed Lot? :-) You got that beta done!
18/06/2008 01:38:38 ‹Russ› thanks Jason
18/06/2008 01:38:39 ‹seekerofshadowl› night jason
18/06/2008 01:38:46 ‹JasonBulmahn› Pete... soon..
18/06/2008 01:38:49 ‹Lilith› yeah! Cursed Lot needs to make a cameo somewheres! :D
18/06/2008 01:38:50 ‹Pete› yaaa
18/06/2008 01:38:51 ‹Samwise› "oops, thats objectionable" "oops, thats in the same line" "oops, that redefines one of our terms"
18/06/2008 01:38:53 ‹James Jacobs› Jason's got a BIGGER adventure to do before that one...
18/06/2008 01:38:54 ‹seekerofshadowl› james I think you are right
18/06/2008 01:38:54 ‹BM› Jason Ok, just one question: What is the one change in the Beta that you like?
18/06/2008 01:38:56 ‹JasonBulmahn› Later everybody.. take it easy.. see you next week
18/06/2008 01:39:04 ‹Pete› I was hoping for Cursed Lot Iconics
18/06/2008 01:39:04 ‹Eyebite› Night Jason
18/06/2008 01:39:06 ‹Lilith› Later Jason! Thanks for stopping by!
18/06/2008 01:39:12 ‹Charles Evans› James: It won't work with OGL and the way that they botch their media/PR.
18/06/2008 01:39:14 ‹Russ› The "It's a trap" thing does fit. I mean, they can't call just anything objectionable, but it is a wedge. You can work to find something offensive in almost anything.
18/06/2008 01:39:18 ‹Mothman› Bye JAson
18/06/2008 01:39:24 ‹Samwise› goodnight Jason
18/06/2008 01:39:26 ‹Lilith› Pete, I could always take a stab at drawing them...
18/06/2008 01:39:26 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Jason.
18/06/2008 01:39:31 ‹JasonBulmahn› BM> Ranger animal companions now get their favored enemy bonuses.. it was a great idea I go from the boards...
18/06/2008 01:39:35 ‹Pete› James: Spoken like a guy doing reviews
18/06/2008 01:39:40 ‹JasonBulmahn› Night
18/06/2008 01:39:42 ‹seekerofshadowl› oh nice jason
18/06/2008 01:39:44 ‹Timitius› See you Jason....say, when we playing again?
18/06/2008 01:39:44 ‹kvantum› Jason>ooo, nifty
18/06/2008 01:39:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I agree.
18/06/2008 01:39:46 ‹seekerofshadowl› very nice
18/06/2008 01:39:48 ‹BM› Ohh... Night Jason.
01:39:56 ‹Timitius› ;-)
18/06/2008 01:39:59 ‹JasonBulmahn› Tim> soon.. and I mean it this time
18/06/2008 01:40:01 ‹JasonBulmahn› later
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18/06/2008 01:40:08 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Bullman!
18/06/2008 01:40:14 ‹seekerofshadowl› my ranger player will like that change
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18/06/2008 01:40:22 ‹Russ› I need to get ToH I and III, I have II
18/06/2008 01:40:27 ‹Timitius› rock on!
18/06/2008 01:40:31 ‹seekerofshadowl› I have 1
18/06/2008 01:40:42 ‹seekerofshadowl› i need II and III
18/06/2008 01:40:45 ‹James Jacobs› ToH I is great. I don't use nearly as many II and III monsters, but there are some good ones in there nevertheless.
18/06/2008 01:40:46 ‹Pete› Are they avail in pdf?
18/06/2008 01:40:49 ‹Charles Evans› If WotC/hasbro had had someone with savvy (like Lisa) still working for them, and paid attention to her, they could have made it a closed system again, with her help....
18/06/2008 01:40:58 ‹Eyebite› G'night all. Early morning tomorrow.
18/06/2008 01:41:01 ‹James Jacobs› All three are the best big 3rd party monster books, thoguh. Hands Down.
18/06/2008 01:41:10 ‹Russ› Is ToH I 3.0 or 3.5?
18/06/2008 01:41:15 ‹James Jacobs› Both
18/06/2008 01:41:24 ‹seekerofshadowl› I have the 3.0 one
18/06/2008 01:41:25 ‹James Jacobs› There's a PDF that is the 3.5 version; that's the source we use for Pathfinder.
18/06/2008 01:41:29 ‹mortellan› my copy is 3.0 too
18/06/2008 01:41:29 ‹Samwise› Charles>im not so sure, and i suspect the GSL pseudo-closing will work against them
18/06/2008 01:41:30 ‹Daigle› Take care Eyebite!
18/06/2008 01:41:34 ‹Charles Evans› But the community they're dealing with... the customer base... the corporate hasbro types don't seem to udnerstand what they're dealing with.
18/06/2008 01:41:34 ‹Timitius› OK. Is this going to be our new chatroom? I need to bookmark something....
18/06/2008 01:41:34 ‹Daigle› Have a good one
18/06/2008 01:41:34 ‹Lilith› Russ, the printed version is 3.0, there's a 3.5 PDF though.
18/06/2008 01:41:38 ‹Russ› Ok, so I can skip the print version
18/06/2008 01:41:38 ‹seekerofshadowl› good book though
18/06/2008 01:41:43 ‹Lilith› Timitius, it's a backup site.
18/06/2008 01:41:45 ‹Russ› I really need to get that order in soon, apparently :P
18/06/2008 01:41:48 ‹mortellan› best 3rd party book i own
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18/06/2008 01:42:06 ‹Russ› I got burned pretty badly by lame D20 stuff, and stopped buying it for years
18/06/2008 01:42:07 ‹Pete› And of course the PDF is available on paizo.com ?
18/06/2008 01:42:08 ‹Lilith› Russ, they offered it for free on RPGNow a while back.
18/06/2008 01:42:16 ‹seekerofshadowl› yeah will have the other 2 soon I hope
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18/06/2008 01:42:30 ‹seekerofshadowl› yeah thats where i got the pdf one I have
18/06/2008 01:42:37 ‹Timitius› No I never!
18/06/2008 01:42:39 ‹Lilith› The Book of Fiends is pretty darn cool as well.
18/06/2008 01:42:43 ‹Russ› I could probably get it for free :P
18/06/2008 01:42:50 ‹seekerofshadowl› have that as well
18/06/2008 01:42:53 ‹Lilith› Russ, if you tried hard enough, yeah.
18/06/2008 01:42:54 ‹Timitius› OK....NOW I quit. Night all!
18/06/2008 01:43:02 ‹seekerofshadowl› nite time
18/06/2008 01:43:03 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Tim
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18/06/2008 01:43:03 ‹Lilith› Timitius, Night! *hugs*
18/06/2008 01:43:04 ‹seekerofshadowl› tim
18/06/2008 01:43:09 ‹Mothman› See yu Tim
18/06/2008 01:43:09 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight timitius.
18/06/2008 01:43:10 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Closing the game would have required recruiting the aid of the big 3rd party publishers... and a bit of skullduggery and trickery at that. Basically; lure the 3rd party publishers in with promises of 4th edition power, then when 5th comes along you close it. Presto. The 3.0 OGL is still out there, but it's been laying fallow, and breathing life back into it would take too much effort.
18/06/2008 01:43:12 ‹Locke1520› later
18/06/2008 01:43:17 ‹Timitius› Gots ta do these things on MY terms, darnit!
18/06/2008 01:43:19 ‹James Jacobs› That's my paranoid version, at least.
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18/06/2008 01:43:38 ‹James Jacobs› Book of Fiends is indeed cool... but for general purpose monsters, it's not so great.
18/06/2008 01:43:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you...
18/06/2008 01:43:41 ‹Pete› Tim: Nite! And read your mail!
18/06/2008 01:43:49 ‹seekerofshadowl› think that may have been the plan james
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18/06/2008 01:43:57 ‹ollibolli› I have a fairly extensive collection of d20 books, but ToH and BoF are at the top of the hill
18/06/2008 01:44:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I haven't noticed much skill at luring emanating from Hasbro recently.
18/06/2008 01:44:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, general purpose monsters, no, but really flavorful class ideas. Any chance of Golarion-flavored thaumaturges?
18/06/2008 01:44:16 ‹Pete› I have creature collection 1 and 2. they are ok. is ToH better?
18/06/2008 01:44:19 ‹Samwise› Lilith>thats my line!
18/06/2008 01:44:20 ‹James Jacobs› Book of Fiends might actually be my favorite 3rd party non-paizo book. That, or Advanced Bestiary or Plot & Poison, I guess.
18/06/2008 01:44:20 ‹Hill Giant› I think it's the D&D curse - the game can never stay in the hands of people who love it...
18/06/2008 01:44:26 ‹kvantum› Pete>definitely
18/06/2008 01:44:35 ‹Charles Evans› Not in the RPG sector, anyway.
18/06/2008 01:44:36 ‹Samwise› James>that was my thinking of how to close it as well ;)
18/06/2008 01:44:38 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> yes
18/06/2008 01:44:42 ‹ollibolli› Ptolus isalso very high onmy list
18/06/2008 01:44:53 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Advanced Bestiary is WIN. Plot & Poison is awesome too. I have the Lockwood print of that cover for my dining room. :D
18/06/2008 01:44:57 ‹James Jacobs› There'll be some info about Thaumaturges in Pathfinder 18, I suspect. MAYBE in Gods & Magic.
18/06/2008 01:44:59 ‹Russ› I picked up a copy of Book of Fiends.
18/06/2008 01:45:00 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Eeeeeexcellent.
18/06/2008 01:45:06 ‹Russ› Have not found Plot and Poison yet.
18/06/2008 01:45:08 ‹seekerofshadowl› ptoluse didn't intrest me to much
18/06/2008 01:45:16 ‹Russ› Pete - I don't are for the two creature collections
18/06/2008 01:45:19 ‹Lilith› Russ, good nasty drow stuffs in there.
18/06/2008 01:45:24 ‹James Jacobs› ToH is indeed better than the Creature Collections. I think.
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18/06/2008 01:45:31 ‹Charles Evans› At present Hasbro seem anxious to hand as much power and advantages to wily RPG lovers such as Lisa and Erik as possible.
18/06/2008 01:45:32 ‹Samwise› James>drag people into a lock out license, get them far enough from the open license, then drop the other shoe
18/06/2008 01:45:38 ‹James Jacobs› More monsters, and they're less tied into an established campaign setting.
18/06/2008 01:45:51 ‹Pete› Book of fiends was good. I like that fiendish codex I pretty good two. forget who wrote that.
18/06/2008 01:46:03 ‹James Jacobs› Ptolus rocks. It's in the top 3 for sure. I always forget about it, kind of like how I get used to Mt. Rainier on the horizon...
18/06/2008 01:46:07 ‹Charles Evans› I'm looking forward to seeing the next phase of Erik & lisas plans launch.....
18/06/2008 01:46:11 ‹Lilith› Pete, I can't imagine who wrote FC I...:P
18/06/2008 01:46:28 ‹Samwise› Charles>actually, thats why making the gsl too restrictive is bad for wotc
18/06/2008 01:46:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yay Fiendish Codex I!!!!
18/06/2008 01:46:44 ‹Russ› Too bad FC II SUCKED!
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18/06/2008 01:46:54 ‹Pete› Yaaa!
18/06/2008 01:47:17 ‹Pete› i'm not how how restricting the GSL is bad for WotC, exactly. anyone that they really like they can cut another type of deal with. on their terms.
18/06/2008 01:47:19 ‹Samwise› Charles>it makes it more business savvy for Paizo to do the PRPG
18/06/2008 01:47:29 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> yup; that'd be the only way to kill the OGL, really.
18/06/2008 01:47:32 ‹Samwise› at least as from my outside non-professional viewpoint
18/06/2008 01:47:47 ‹Samwise› James may of course disabuse me of that notion :P
18/06/2008 01:47:50 ‹Pete› What's interesting is the the GSL being so restrictive is probably *good* for Paizo.
18/06/2008 01:48:02 ‹Russ› Probably.
18/06/2008 01:48:06 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... no. Another way would be to make 4th edition (or 5th or whatever) so good that everyone abandons 3rd edition just out of evolutionary need and compulsion.
01:48:10 ‹Russ› And 4thE being so different is good for Paizo.
18/06/2008 01:48:14 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise: as I said, Hasbro don't seem to understand the power & tools which they're busy handing out to Lisa and Erik.
18/06/2008 01:48:43 ‹Russ› And Shadowfell being SO BAD is good for Paizo.
18/06/2008 01:48:47 ‹Russ› Honestly, I wonder who ghosted it for Cordell.
18/06/2008 01:48:47 ‹Samwise› Charles>thats sort of the sad thing, i get the feeling that a bunch of people at WotC do understand that
18/06/2008 01:48:59 ‹Pete› I'd rather rule a Niche market then flounder in a mass market.
18/06/2008 01:49:04 ‹Samwise› Russ>wasnt it a co-author bit?
18/06/2008 01:49:16 ‹Lilith› I think pitching Golarion as a sword-n-sorcery pulp setting is a good way to look at it.
18/06/2008 01:49:41 ‹Pete› Cause Erik is going to get R.E. Howard in there anyways
18/06/2008 01:49:45 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Looking forward to the big clash this summer of Golarion vs Forgotten realms (4E rendition)?
18/06/2008 01:50:03 ‹Charles Evans› I know because of WotC, 4E realms is likely to outsell, anyway...
18/06/2008 01:50:14 ‹Charles Evans› but the margin it does so by will be interesting...
18/06/2008 01:50:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I am.
18/06/2008 01:50:23 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh.
18/06/2008 01:50:24 ‹Mothman› I think Golarion and (4E) Realms is likely to have a different audience, in general
18/06/2008 01:50:31 ‹Samwise› well, wotc has the captive rpga market
18/06/2008 01:50:39 ‹James Jacobs› Killing off the entire drow pantheon in FR still has me feeling queasy...
18/06/2008 01:50:41 ‹Samwise› but then, will lfr do well?
18/06/2008 01:50:54 ‹seekerofshadowl› ugh 4e realms...just ugh
18/06/2008 01:51:04 ‹Lilith› Pete, Numeria. :)
18/06/2008 01:51:05 ‹Samwise› and how bad will the fr "grognard" split be when it comes time to buy?
18/06/2008 01:51:14 ‹Russ› Samwise - maybe
18/06/2008 01:51:22 ‹Mothman› Yeah ... when you need to change your game worlds so radically for them to fit the new rules and new fluff ... you need to wonder
18/06/2008 01:51:24 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise: I feel LG players may not automatically transition, if they are annoyed enough to LFR (another mistake & weapon hasbro have handed Lisa & erik)
18/06/2008 01:51:24 ‹seekerofshadowl› i hope bad
18/06/2008 01:51:41 ‹seekerofshadowl› the 4e realms is just baD
18/06/2008 01:51:56 ‹Russ› Mearls and Cordell.
18/06/2008 01:51:58 ‹Samwise› Russ>i really expect some massive author shenanigans with LFR, the 4E rules have some bad stress points that can be gratuitously abused
18/06/2008 01:52:05 ‹Russ› So based on Cordell's past stuff, I think it was mostly Mearls.
18/06/2008 01:52:10 ‹Samwise› Russ>"no comment"
18/06/2008 01:52:13 ‹Charles Evans› Samwise: I bought most of the FR 3.5 campaign splatbooks; I have no intentions of buying any 4E... I am annoyed at the continuity bungles, although I may be atypical.
18/06/2008 01:52:15 ‹James Jacobs› Of course... we're launching our own org play program this Gen Con, so that'll give RPGA players another option too. Although actually pulling off an org play program paralyzes me with fear...
18/06/2008 01:52:23 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, how structured will Pathfinder Society be? Will GMs be able to run games the way they want to?
18/06/2008 01:52:35 ‹Daigle› James, as it should. ;)
18/06/2008 01:52:36 ‹Russ› Samwise> The biggest one for me being that you can give a critter nearly any power without changing the level, as long as you don't raise the damage. I.E. those cracked out statues.
18/06/2008 01:52:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, as with anything, if you got good people running it...:)
18/06/2008 01:52:47 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect you are not atypical.
18/06/2008 01:52:58 ‹Samwise› oh geeze, in the game day stuff? gah! those were atrocious
18/06/2008 01:53:05 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Pulling off organised play is what Nick Logue is there for, A MAN WHO KNOWS NO FEAR (as he might have said it, all in caps).
18/06/2008 01:53:08 ‹seekerofshadowl› i have alot of realms stuff
18/06/2008 01:53:15 ‹James Jacobs› FR fans are fans because they like the characters, the gods, the stories, and the world. Change all that? You're basically firing them and then trying to re-hire them. Best of luck.
18/06/2008 01:53:24 ‹seekerofshadowl› I can't even buy realms novles now as the time line now sucks
18/06/2008 01:53:24 ‹Russ› I'm THRILLED wotc has abandoned GH
18/06/2008 01:53:27 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, and is there plans for downloadable "Quick Play" rules for new Pathfinder players?
18/06/2008 01:53:36 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I don't know. I'm a little out of the loop on the Pathfinder Society, beyond approving adventures and artwork...
18/06/2008 01:53:44 ‹Russ› Yes, big push for free rules for PF!
01:54:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs...do they look cool? :D
18/06/2008 01:54:27 ‹seekerofshadowl› russ you best hope they leave GH alone
18/06/2008 01:54:33 ‹Samwise› Russ>i still wouldnt mind doing a 4E GH book, if The Rouse were crazed enough to ask me ;)
18/06/2008 01:54:37 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> There aren't plans yet for "quick play" rules for the PF RPG yet. There will be, though. I'm sure of it.
18/06/2008 01:54:55 ‹James Jacobs› And the adventures do indeed sound cool! One, set in a museum, looks particularly super awesome.
18/06/2008 01:55:09 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, good. I think that will be the key to draw in new players.
18/06/2008 01:55:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yes
18/06/2008 01:55:18 ‹kvantum› 4e GH... what horrible things would they do to a world they don't really like? I mean 4e FR has been destroyed...
18/06/2008 01:55:33 ‹Russ› Can it be worse that gating all the monks into Kara-Tur?
18/06/2008 01:55:35 * Sir Wulf shudders.
18/06/2008 01:55:47 ‹Russ› (and yes, that supplement implied that all the SB monks were oriental imports from another world)
18/06/2008 01:55:48 ‹Charles Evans› Will the adventures be available as a collection later, for those who do not run/play in living campaigns?
18/06/2008 01:55:50 ‹James Jacobs› Also... the hope is that other new players get drawn in by 4th edition and then start branching out to new games. That's ALWAYS kinda been D&D's role in the RPG industry.
18/06/2008 01:55:56 ‹seekerofshadowl› 4e realms is anothing setting wearing the skin of FR like a mask
18/06/2008 01:55:59 ‹kvantum› Tieflings arise from Iuz spontaneously exploding?
18/06/2008 01:56:04 ‹Samwise› Russ>the first rule of GH canon fight club is you don't talk about Fate of Istus . . .
18/06/2008 01:56:17 ‹Russ› kvantum> They already did that one with the hag queen in FC II
18/06/2008 01:56:33 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> They'll be available as PDF downloads, I suspect. We have no plans yet to do a collection or other print version... that could change, thoguh.
18/06/2008 01:56:38 ‹seekerofshadowl› but ya need dragon born now russ
18/06/2008 01:56:38 ‹Samwise› James>yes, but then there is Chris Pramas' review of 4Es suitability to attract new players
18/06/2008 01:56:39 ‹Russ› Can it be worse than putting RONALD ****ING MCDONALD in Castle Greyhawk
18/06/2008 01:56:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, out of the world of Golarion, what is your favorite aspect of it? It seems to capture that pulpy feel to it in a way that the other settings do not. Is that deliberate?
18/06/2008 01:56:50 ‹Russ› (Same, there's the 2nd rule for ya)
18/06/2008 01:56:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Free or paid for downloads?#
18/06/2008 01:57:01 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Yeah. And a pretty wise review as well.
18/06/2008 01:57:10 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I think that they'll be 2 bucks apiece. Not sure.
18/06/2008 01:57:11 ‹Samwise› Russ>i know :P
18/06/2008 01:57:16 ‹Charles Evans› I prefer dead tree copies.
18/06/2008 01:57:18 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, I think Josh Frost mentioned either free or a small amount per adventure.
18/06/2008 01:57:23 ‹Hill Giant› OK, I'm outta here soon, night folks
18/06/2008 01:57:33 ‹seekerofshadowl› night HG
18/06/2008 01:57:34 ‹Russ› Can they do worth 'hawk than having an evil leprechaun named Freddy MacKruger?
18/06/2008 01:57:35 ‹Daigle› Bye David!
18/06/2008 01:57:38 ‹Russ› Although I probably got that one wrong :)
18/06/2008 01:57:42 ‹Mothman› See you David
18/06/2008 01:57:45 ‹Charles Evans› Or dead tree copies if I have to pay for them.
18/06/2008 01:57:50 ‹Samwise› James>heh, as i posted, i was saying 4E was going to be a newbie killer months ago
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18/06/2008 01:58:02 ‹Locke1520› I'm off too. Night all.
18/06/2008 01:58:09 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> We're very much trying to catch a pulpy feel to Golarion. And by going to the same authors that inspired Gygax is how to do it; Lovecraft, Leiber, Moorcock, Vance, Howard, CA Smith, etc.
18/06/2008 01:58:25 ‹seekerofshadowl› night locke
18/06/2008 01:58:27 ‹Russ› A fee for organized play? Ugh :(
18/06/2008 01:58:33 ‹James Jacobs› Ugh... WG7 can rot in hell.
18/06/2008 01:58:34 ‹Daigle› Bye Locke
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18/06/2008 01:58:55 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Again... I'm not the one to ask.
18/06/2008 01:59:12 ‹James Jacobs› The scenarios might be free the first month and then go online for 2 bucks. I'm honestly not sure how it's organized.
18/06/2008 01:59:13 ‹Samwise› i remember talking with one of the WG7 authors at west end games when it came out
18/06/2008 01:59:32 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Really! That must have been a fascinating conversation.
18/06/2008 01:59:36 ‹Samwise› as erik said, some of them really didnt have a clue they were walking into it like that
18/06/2008 01:59:44 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
18/06/2008 01:59:48 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah, I caught the pulpy feel...any chance we'll see Castrovel and Akiton-inspired monsters or adventures?
18/06/2008 01:59:53 ‹James Jacobs› Absolutely
18/06/2008 01:59:56 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder 14
02:00:10 ‹James Jacobs› With more to come eventually.
18/06/2008 02:00:11 ‹Samwise› James>"i wrote part of that" "oh? really? which part?" "the first. did you like it?" "ummmmmmm"
18/06/2008 02:00:13 ‹Lilith› YAY!
18/06/2008 02:00:18 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: any questions for us??
18/06/2008 02:00:24 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm.
18/06/2008 02:00:34 ‹Russ› And frankly, it would be hard to do worse screwjobs on GH than Skip Williams and David Cook did in Vecna Lives and Greyhawk Wars
18/06/2008 02:00:45 ‹Samwise› actually . . .
18/06/2008 02:00:52 ‹Charles Evans› You must have something with everything there's been since last tuesday... books to printers, GSL disaster...
18/06/2008 02:00:53 ‹James Jacobs› Questions...
18/06/2008 02:00:57 ‹seekerofshadowl› gods i hated vecna lives
18/06/2008 02:01:03 ‹Samwise› i have come to appreciate what zeb cook tried to do in Vecna Lives!
18/06/2008 02:01:07 ‹Russ› And for those who weren't there at the time - Castle Greyhawk was marketed as the real castle Greyhawk, not as a joke
18/06/2008 02:01:12 ‹Samwise› they should have left the Circle deader than doornails
18/06/2008 02:01:19 ‹seekerofshadowl› and shudder die vecna die
18/06/2008 02:01:22 ‹Charles Evans› Something you're itching to ask 'I wonder if they think that'???
18/06/2008 02:01:25 ‹Samwise› they became a setting albatross
18/06/2008 02:01:28 ‹James Jacobs› Here's a question: would an adventure path that has Sinbad/genie themes be too weird? Or would it be cool?
18/06/2008 02:01:30 ‹Sir Wulf› Vecna Lives did stink, but Greyhawk Wars allowed the authors that built on it to make some cool material.
18/06/2008 02:01:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Not weird! Give me Qadira!
18/06/2008 02:01:46 ‹Samwise› he should however be chastised for the ending of it
18/06/2008 02:01:46 ‹Russ› Oops, you're wright, Cook messed up VL, Williams messed up all the artifacts
18/06/2008 02:01:49 ‹Charles Evans› Woot to genies & sea voyages.
18/06/2008 02:01:52 ‹Daigle› It'd be fun, but I'm not sure for an entire campaign
18/06/2008 02:01:53 ‹Russ› Cook must really hate him some Hawk.
18/06/2008 02:01:56 ‹seekerofshadowl› oh well go for sinbad
18/06/2008 02:02:11 ‹Daigle› I'm a firm maybe.
18/06/2008 02:02:12 ‹Daigle› :P
18/06/2008 02:02:15 ‹kvantum› James> depends - do you get Wulfgang Baur to write it, or not?
18/06/2008 02:02:18 ‹Charles Evans› Although sinbad does seem to get shipwrecked a lot I seem to recall which might need editing out on 'railroady' grounds)
18/06/2008 02:02:24 ‹Samwise› James>i would depend of course :)
18/06/2008 02:02:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Daigle has a point. Give us a teaser in a non-AP of Qadira first. You remember the Osirion fervor, I believe...:)
18/06/2008 02:02:30 ‹kvantum› Al Qadim proved it can be done in D&D
18/06/2008 02:02:37 ‹Samwise› for example, it would have to compare to the Al Qadim products on it
18/06/2008 02:02:43 ‹Samwise› though not everyone has those
18/06/2008 02:02:55 ‹James Jacobs› Because that's what AP4 is gonna be. And I do indeed intend to involve Wolfgang Baur in it somehow.
18/06/2008 02:02:56 ‹Russ› AH, Skip is the jackass who browsed the spell list to fill out the Circle of Eight in the first place.
18/06/2008 02:02:59 ‹Samwise› the real issue i think youd have is if you used the different social attitudes
02:03:21 ‹Sir Wulf› I would enjoy a path based on those themes. One of my favorite home campaigns was spent "island hopping" through Judges' Guilds' Isles of the Blest
18/06/2008 02:03:29 ‹James Jacobs› It's gonna be set mostly in Katapesh, and will feature the most planar stuff of any AP we've done yet.
18/06/2008 02:03:30 ‹kvantum› wait, it's official now? AP4 - Al Qadim's Revenge?
18/06/2008 02:03:31 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, the final 3.5 path eh? :)
18/06/2008 02:03:33 ‹Samwise› Al Qadim and the "no graverobbing" is a major disconnect for most western players
18/06/2008 02:03:34 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
18/06/2008 02:03:36 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: So AP4 is going to involve sinbad/genies and going to have elaine Cunningham writing journals?
18/06/2008 02:03:47 ‹Charles Evans› sinbad theme.
18/06/2008 02:04:02 ‹James Jacobs› It's official. AP4 is going to be VERY genie-themed. Gnolls and Sarenrae and Rovagug too.
18/06/2008 02:04:10 ‹seekerofshadowl› yay
18/06/2008 02:04:18 ‹seekerofshadowl› my players would so go for that
18/06/2008 02:04:27 * Charles Evans starts bouncing up and down and whistling rimsky-korsakov's scherazade....
18/06/2008 02:04:43 ‹Daigle› I like the deity choices.
18/06/2008 02:04:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup. And by "sinbad" I mean a weird kind of Arabian Nights type theme set in a region that was once ruled by ancient Egyptians.
18/06/2008 02:04:50 ‹Charles Evans› (magnetburg & festiva of baghdad)
18/06/2008 02:04:52 * Mothman quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 02:04:53 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Katapesh, eh? Cool.
18/06/2008 02:05:03 ‹Russ› Speaking f bad Greyhawk, I just read "Return to Quag Keep" :(
18/06/2008 02:05:16 ‹James Jacobs› Sarenrae and Rovagug have a LONG history together... dating back to the 1980s even!
18/06/2008 02:05:26 ‹James Jacobs› OH!
18/06/2008 02:05:29 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: This is excellent news. it almost convinces me (despite the drow) to buy AP #3 simply for any possible spoilers...
18/06/2008 02:05:41 ‹James Jacobs› Dude... the drow in AP3 are awesome.
18/06/2008 02:05:55 ‹James Jacobs› Trust me.
18/06/2008 02:06:10 ‹Pete› So talk about the GenCon Drow event
18/06/2008 02:06:12 ‹Daigle› I am. I'm trusting y'all to make me love them again. :)
18/06/2008 02:06:13 ‹James Jacobs› But back to my, "OH!"
18/06/2008 02:06:13 ‹seekerofshadowl› the sound very cool james
18/06/2008 02:06:40 ‹Lilith› Mmm...demon-worshipping drow...
18/06/2008 02:06:48 ‹James Jacobs› What kind of topics would you all like to see the Pathfinder Companion line tackle? So far we're doing Elves and Osirion, and twice a year we'll do an AP Player's guide.
18/06/2008 02:07:00 * BM quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 02:07:09 ‹James Jacobs› The GenCon drow event is gonna be Not For the Kids, I predict...
18/06/2008 02:07:20 ‹seekerofshadowl› gnomes maybe
18/06/2008 02:07:27 ‹Lilith› I think the race and country-focused books are grand...how about organizations? saaaayy...Hellknights?
18/06/2008 02:07:36 ‹kvantum› what about a Pathfinder book? I mean, the organization
18/06/2008 02:07:55 ‹Russ› Magic.
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18/06/2008 02:08:01 ‹Daigle› Fey?
18/06/2008 02:08:04 ‹Daigle› Nah
18/06/2008 02:08:13 ‹Pete› Well, the Companion is player focused, right? So definitely PrC
18/06/2008 02:08:15 ‹seekerofshadowl› the planes?
18/06/2008 02:08:17 ‹Charles Evans› Lands of the Linnorm kings (vikings & linnorms might be interesting to see as a pathfinder book)
18/06/2008 02:08:20 ‹James Jacobs› Magic seems waaaaay to huge to cover in a mere 32 pages.
18/06/2008 02:08:22 ‹Daigle› Organizations sound good
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18/06/2008 02:08:38 ‹Lilith› I think Organizations are a safe bet.
18/06/2008 02:08:42 ‹James Jacobs› There's gonna be a PrC in all of the Companions (provided we can justify having one, that is...)
18/06/2008 02:08:45 * Daigle nods
18/06/2008 02:08:49 * Lilith whispers "Hellknights" in James' ear.
18/06/2008 02:08:51 ‹Charles Evans› Difficult to have too few linnorms around a campaign setting..... lovely flightless dragons.
18/06/2008 02:08:53 ‹Mothman› Yeah, organisations are a good focus I think
18/06/2008 02:08:56 ‹Pete› /?
18/06/2008 02:08:56 ‹James Jacobs› Hellknights, huh?
18/06/2008 02:09:01 ‹Lilith› Yes.
18/06/2008 02:09:02 ‹Mothman› or even ... .dwarves ?
18/06/2008 02:09:03 ‹Lilith› Hellknights.
18/06/2008 02:09:06 ‹Charles Evans› Runelords!
18/06/2008 02:09:16 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, this is for players...:)
18/06/2008 02:09:18 ‹Charles Evans› Thassilon & runelords if you have organisations.
18/06/2008 02:09:19 ‹Pete› I think some fluff along with some traits
18/06/2008 02:09:26 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm.
18/06/2008 02:09:27 ‹kvantum› well, unless they're radically different than the ones in the Unholy Warrior's Handbook
18/06/2008 02:09:33 ‹Sir Wulf› Hellknights FTW!
18/06/2008 02:09:34 ‹Russ› Well, we have the thassilonian approach to magic. Let's see how other cultures approach it :)
18/06/2008 02:09:36 ‹James Jacobs› We're certainly gonna do Hellknight stuff someday. They'll probably be part of the Cheliax AP Player's Guide in August 2009, in fact. And then have a few articles in pathfinder along the way.
18/06/2008 02:09:41 ‹Charles Evans› Well I maintain linnorm kings should be there somewhere.
18/06/2008 02:09:43 ‹Pete› more backstory's to use, as was done in the CotCT player's guide
18/06/2008 02:09:50 ‹Lilith› That's right Cheliax for AP5...:)
18/06/2008 02:10:19 ‹Pete› I'd really like to see more on the River Kingdoms
18/06/2008 02:10:20 ‹Daigle› Frickin Kaer Maga! That'd be a fun little book
18/06/2008 02:10:32 ‹Daigle› Oooh, good one Pete
18/06/2008 02:10:35 ‹Lilith› Or the Mwangi Expanse.
18/06/2008 02:10:38 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: In that case they will likely be in the players guide to Cheliax/AP #5?
18/06/2008 02:10:39 ‹Daigle› And Galt
18/06/2008 02:10:43 ‹Russ› Linnoworm Kings!
18/06/2008 02:10:47 * Lilith pets her precious Gazetteer...
18/06/2008 02:10:49 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> We're expanding the Character Traits rules in the Companions, in fact. We'll be adding all sorts of traits in there. Traits based on race, on nationality, on religion, on campaings... only a few to start, but with each Companion we'll be adding more.
18/06/2008 02:11:11 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
18/06/2008 02:11:29 ‹Pete› James: That's excellent. Providing players good backstory is always tough, especially when the world isn't fully documented yet
18/06/2008 02:11:36 * Charles Evans has to go... his computer is teling him time to leave....
18/06/2008 02:11:46 ‹James Jacobs› The Traits system is basically a "bonus feat." A single trait is about as powerful as half a feat, and you get to pick two traits at creation (or 1 or 0 if the GM prefers you don't... we leave that final choice up to the GM but assume, for APs, that you'll get 2 bonus traits).
18/06/2008 02:11:48 ‹Daigle› Take care Charles
18/06/2008 02:11:49 ‹Charles Evans› Excuse me.... Goodnight everyone.
18/06/2008 02:12:02 * Charles Evans collects his cthulhu and wanders off....
18/06/2008 02:12:07 ‹James Jacobs› Each AP will have a list of 6 to 10 Campaign traits you can pick that'll tie your character into the adventure path.
18/06/2008 02:12:09 * Charles Evans quit
18/06/2008 02:12:39 ‹James Jacobs› Your other bonus trait can be chosen from a number of other categories (the aforementioned regional, racial, and religion traits, or the four basic trait categories of Combat, Faith, Social, or Magic).
18/06/2008 02:12:39 ‹Pete› Example?
18/06/2008 02:13:09 ‹James Jacobs› Example traits?
18/06/2008 02:13:11 ‹James Jacobs› Hang on...
18/06/2008 02:14:07 * Lilith hears the shuffling of papers...:)
18/06/2008 02:14:22 ‹Pete› Is that smoke I smell?
18/06/2008 02:14:23 ‹Mothman› Oh, I thought that was crickets...
18/06/2008 02:14:35 ‹James Jacobs› Ok. I'll toss out five sample traits; DISCLAIMER: These are from the unedited, not totally developed raw text I wrote...
18/06/2008 02:14:37 ‹Lilith› Mothman, don't be eating Daigle's crickets!
18/06/2008 02:14:47 ‹Pete› Actually, I'm really excited about this concept.
18/06/2008 02:14:49 * Daigle pets his crickets
18/06/2008 02:14:55 ‹James Jacobs› Example Combat Trait: Anatomist: You have studied the workings of anatomy, either as a student at university or as an apprentice mortician or necromancer. You know where to aim your blows to strike vital organs, and gain a +1 trait bonus on all rolls made to confirm critical hits.
18/06/2008 02:15:02 ‹Mothman› eww, I didn't know Daigle had been eating them...
18/06/2008 02:15:26 ‹James Jacobs› FAITH TRAIT: Sacred Touch: You were exposed to a potent source of positive energy as a child, perhaps by being born under the right cosmic sign, or maybe because one of your parents was a gifted healer. As a standard action, you may automatically stabilize a dying creature merely by touching it.
18/06/2008 02:15:27 ‹Daigle› Not eating them. They're my friends.
18/06/2008 02:15:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Nice stuffs!
18/06/2008 02:15:45 ‹Daigle› Neato!
18/06/2008 02:15:47 ‹seekerofshadowl› sounds nice james
18/06/2008 02:15:48 ‹Pete› Nice! like taht one
18/06/2008 02:15:55 * Lilith is sad that her website downtimes got extended to 1am... ;_;
18/06/2008 02:15:56 ‹James Jacobs› MAGIC TRAIT: Mathematical Prodigy: Mathematics has always come easily for you, and you have always been able to “see the math” in the physical and magical world. You gain a +1 bonus on Knowledge (arcana) and Knowledge (architecture and engineering) checks, and one of these skills (your choice) is always a class skill for you.
18/06/2008 02:15:59 ‹Mothman› Wait for all the fighters who suddenly have anatomy training in their back stories ....
18/06/2008 02:16:36 ‹Daigle› Good call, Mothy
18/06/2008 02:16:37 ‹Pete› MM: Yah, that was my immediate thought as well.
18/06/2008 02:16:42 ‹Sir Wulf› I need to sleep, so you all have a good night!
18/06/2008 02:16:50 ‹Daigle› Bye Wulf!
18/06/2008 02:16:50 ‹kvantum› anatomist could also be "butcher"
18/06/2008 02:16:51 ‹James Jacobs› SOCIAL TRAIT: Rich Parents: You were born into a rich family, perhaps even the nobility, and even though you turned to a life of adventure anyway, you enjoyed a one-time benefit to your initial finances—your starting cash increases to 900 gp.
18/06/2008 02:16:57 ‹seekerofshadowl› nite wolf
18/06/2008 02:17:05 ‹James Jacobs› There are 10 of each of those four categories; those are the 40 "Basic Traits."
18/06/2008 02:17:12 ‹Daigle› Holy cow!
18/06/2008 02:17:15 ‹Lilith› Very very cool.
18/06/2008 02:17:19 ‹seekerofshadowl› nice
18/06/2008 02:17:30 ‹Pete› Yowza! Lots of flavor to add there.
18/06/2008 02:17:30 ‹Lilith› Backgrounds stuffs are always cool.
18/06/2008 02:17:34 ‹Daigle› Trustafarian
18/06/2008 02:17:38 ‹seekerofshadowl› can't wait to see em all james
18/06/2008 02:17:47 ‹Mothman› James, I like the traits, but how do they differ mechanically from feats? (they are cool flavour, dont get me wrong!)
18/06/2008 02:17:52 ‹James Jacobs› The Campaign Traits are a bit more detailed; they make a bit more assumptions about your character's background, but we mention that you should rework those background (with GM approval) to fit your concepts.
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18/06/2008 02:18:18 ‹Russ› They've been compared to half-feats
18/06/2008 02:18:27 ‹James Jacobs› Optimistic Gambler: You’ve always seemed to have trouble keeping money. Worse, you always seem to have debts looming over your head. When you heard about the “Cheat the Devil; Take his Gold” gambling tournament, you felt in your gut that your luck was about to change. You’ve always been optimistic, in fact, and even though right now is one of those rare times where you don’t owe anyone any money..
18/06/2008 02:18:46 ‹James Jacobs› ...(you just paid off a recent loan from local moneylender Lymas Smeed), you know that’ll change soon enough. Better to start amassing money now when you’re at one of those rare windfall times! You’ve set aside a gold coin for the entrance fee, and look forward to making it big—you can feel it in your bones! This time’s gonna be the big one!
18/06/2008 02:18:53 ‹James Jacobs› Your boundless optimism, even in the face of crushing situations, has always bolstered your spirit. Effects that grant you morale bonuses persist 1d4 rounds longer than they normally would as a result.
18/06/2008 02:19:16 ‹Daigle› Cool
18/06/2008 02:19:21 ‹James Jacobs› They're different than feats in that their benefits are roughly half the power of an actual feat. Maybe more like 65% feat power.
18/06/2008 02:19:36 ‹seekerofshadowl› very cool
18/06/2008 02:19:48 ‹Pete› Lots of fluff in that one, less crunch. I actually like that better.
18/06/2008 02:19:50 ‹seekerofshadowl› didn't iron heros do something like that?
18/06/2008 02:19:51 ‹James Jacobs› The Campaign feats are a bit more powerful than that, since you're being rewarded for taking the pains to adapt your character concept into the adventure's background.
18/06/2008 02:20:05 ‹Daigle› I gotta jam, folks. Nearly 2am in Texas and I have a long day ahead of me.
18/06/2008 02:20:05 ‹James Jacobs› The Campaign feats will always be lots of flavor, with one line of crunch.
18/06/2008 02:20:06 ‹Mothman› James, yes, looking more closely, I can see that
18/06/2008 02:20:21 ‹Mothman› See you Daigle - take care of those crickets!
18/06/2008 02:20:29 ‹Daigle› Will do mothy!
18/06/2008 02:20:34 ‹Lilith› Hugs Daigle! *hugs*
18/06/2008 02:20:42 ‹Pete› Are they only for creation or do you provide suggestions on adding over time?
18/06/2008 02:20:45 ‹James Jacobs› SO: At character creation, you get to pick 2 feats. You can't pick more than one feat per category; you can't pick two combat feats, for example.
18/06/2008 02:20:48 ‹seekerofshadowl› cya daigle
18/06/2008 02:20:49 * Daigle actually leaves for real.
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18/06/2008 02:21:02 ‹James Jacobs› They are normally only for creation. And normally only for PCs. HOWEVER!
18/06/2008 02:21:13 ‹seekerofshadowl› sounds good james...what will this be in?
18/06/2008 02:21:47 ‹James Jacobs› NEW FEAT: ADDITIONAL TRAITS: You have more traits than normal.Benefit: You gain two Character Traits of your choice. These traits must be chosen from different lists, and cannot be chosen from lists you may have already selected a Character Trait from. You must meet any additional qualifications for the Character Traits you choose...
18/06/2008 02:21:50 ‹Pete› oh gosh I could see some great NPC's built out of just those 5
18/06/2008 02:21:53 ‹Lilith› seekerofshadowl, sounds like AP 3's Player's Guide. :)
18/06/2008 02:21:57 ‹James Jacobs› ...this feat cannot enable you to select a Dwarf Character Trait if you are an elf, for example.
18/06/2008 02:21:58 ‹Lilith› Pete, Same!
18/06/2008 02:22:07 ‹Mothman› Wait, you get to choose two feats, or you get to choose two traits at character creation?
18/06/2008 02:22:23 ‹James Jacobs› You get to choose 2 traits at character creation.
18/06/2008 02:22:28 ‹James Jacobs› Plus your normal feat.
18/06/2008 02:22:31 ‹Pete› ah, so you can't stack the combat feats
18/06/2008 02:22:33 ‹seekerofshadowl› nice
18/06/2008 02:22:39 ‹Lilith› Pete, "My mind is a-glow with whirling transient nodes of thought, careening through a cosmic vapor of invention."
18/06/2008 02:22:40 ‹Pete› smart
18/06/2008 02:23:04 ‹James Jacobs› If your GM feels that's too bad-ass... you don't get bonus traits. But you can still take "ADDITIONAL TRAITS" to spend your first level feat to gain 2 traits.
18/06/2008 02:23:50 ‹James Jacobs› SO! The Player's Guide to Second Darkness introduces the 40 basic traits (10 Combat, 10 Faith, 10 Magic, and 10 Social), and 6 Second Darkness Campaign Traits.
18/06/2008 02:24:13 ‹seekerofshadowl› nice
18/06/2008 02:24:24 ‹James Jacobs› The next companion, the one for Elves, will likely introduce 10 elf racial traits, 10 Kyonin regional traits, and 10 Calistria religion traits.
18/06/2008 02:24:28 ‹seekerofshadowl› anythoughts one something like that in the PFRPG?
18/06/2008 02:24:32 ‹kvantum› sweet
18/06/2008 02:24:37 ‹Pete› Lilith: Blazing Saddles?
18/06/2008 02:24:41 ‹seekerofshadowl› very nice
18/06/2008 02:24:54 ‹James Jacobs› Osirion will probably do 10 Osirion regional traits, 10 Osirion ethnicity racial traits, and something else.
18/06/2008 02:25:09 ‹James Jacobs› Seeker> I'd love to get the traits rules into the PF RPG, actually.
18/06/2008 02:25:21 ‹Pete› Lilith: I believe the correct response is : "Ditto"
18/06/2008 02:25:23 ‹seekerofshadowl› sweet
18/06/2008 02:25:33 ‹Lilith› Pete, It is, and that's the right response. "Ditto!"
18/06/2008 02:25:35 ‹James Jacobs› I really like how it encourages players to build a character background, then awards them for doing so.
18/06/2008 02:25:36 ‹seekerofshadowl› sounds like a nice fit to me james
18/06/2008 02:25:59 * Lilith loves the movie Blazing Saddles. :D
18/06/2008 02:26:12 ‹James Jacobs› Also: it's a great and handy way to foreshadow a campaign without coming out and saying, YOU WILL FACE LOTS OF FIENDS IN THIS CAMPAIGN, for example. But we CAN do a trait
18/06/2008 02:26:17 ‹James Jacobs› that gives you a bonus to hit fiends.
18/06/2008 02:26:22 ‹Russ› I think they're a bit close to feats for a core rules book, maybe explain the concept but not put a bunch in. They should be setting-tied.
18/06/2008 02:26:28 ‹James Jacobs› Which subtly encourages a player to be anti-fiend.
02:26:33 ‹Pete› James: Subtle hints like that always work better.
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18/06/2008 02:26:51 ‹James Jacobs› The 40 basic traits are intended to be world-neutral.
18/06/2008 02:26:53 ‹Pete› It's like the whole "what should my ranger hate" discussion
18/06/2008 02:27:31 ‹seekerofshadowl› I have a player that always picks humans lol
18/06/2008 02:27:32 ‹James Jacobs› We were originally going to include the traits rules in the PF Hardcover Campaign Setting... but we just ran out of time, alas.
18/06/2008 02:27:33 ‹Pete› "My ranger picked undead, and here's giants again. dammit!"
18/06/2008 02:27:37 ‹Mothman› alright guys, I gotta run. Thanks for chatting James
18/06/2008 02:27:41 ‹Russ› Yeah, at that point they feel a lot like a "feat, but not a feat" to me, I have to say :P
18/06/2008 02:27:44 ‹James Jacobs› No prob!
18/06/2008 02:27:46 ‹Lilith› Later Mothman!
18/06/2008 02:27:52 ‹Pete› Later MM!
18/06/2008 02:27:55 ‹seekerofshadowl› cya mothman
18/06/2008 02:28:02 ‹James Jacobs› I gotta run too! Time to head home and watch Rambo kill some bad guys as a soothing "get to sleep" movie!
18/06/2008 02:28:04 ‹Pete› Tuck in the Larva!
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18/06/2008 02:28:09 ‹James Jacobs› Any last minute questions?
18/06/2008 02:28:19 ‹seekerofshadowl› well call em traints and put then in another chapeter
18/06/2008 02:28:27 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, nope! I'll probably think of some in about 10 minutes though. :D
18/06/2008 02:28:28 ‹Pete› Jason X: Really?
18/06/2008 02:28:28 ‹seekerofshadowl› before the feats
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18/06/2008 02:28:39 ‹James Jacobs› Already watched Jason X.
18/06/2008 02:28:49 ‹James Jacobs› It was shockingly not bad.
18/06/2008 02:29:02 ‹Pete› Yah, saw your list. Trying to figure out how it made it up so high.
18/06/2008 02:29:03 ‹kvantum› James> well, awesomely bad
18/06/2008 02:29:03 ‹James Jacobs› BONUS SOCIAL TRAIT PREVEW: Adopted: You were adopted and raised by someone not of your actual race, and raised in a society not your own. As a result, you picked up a racial trait from your parents and society, and may immediately select a Racial Trait from your parents’ race.
18/06/2008 02:29:15 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, COOL.
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18/06/2008 02:29:18 ‹Lilith› I likes that one!
18/06/2008 02:29:22 ‹kvantum› very cool
18/06/2008 02:29:24 ‹Pete› Nice! That one I can use right away.
18/06/2008 02:29:26 ‹seekerofshadowl› that one i love
02:29:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, good for Forlorn sounds like.
18/06/2008 02:29:51 ‹Pete› put a couple of these on the website, you'll sell more companions
18/06/2008 02:30:04 ‹seekerofshadowl› would love to see something like this in PFRPG
18/06/2008 02:30:06 ‹kvantum› yeah, this screams out "Blog Post!"
18/06/2008 02:30:14 ‹James Jacobs› It made it up so high for 2 reasons. 1) It actually did something new with the story, actually had some okay music, and actually wasn't butchered too badly by the MPAA. 2) the others under it were HORRIFICALLY bad.
18/06/2008 02:30:15 ‹seekerofshadowl› yeah it does
18/06/2008 02:30:31 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> I'll probably be previewing the traits next week, I suspect...
18/06/2008 02:31:15 ‹Pete› True on the list. And cool on the traits!
18/06/2008 02:31:26 ‹Lilith› Cool mask: http://asantell.deviantart.com...9852199
18/06/2008 02:31:44 ‹Pete› And I just got the A-ok for gencon, so i'm going to see about gm'ing some PF
18/06/2008 02:31:56 ‹Pete› WOOT
18/06/2008 02:32:31 ‹James Jacobs› OK then! I'm out. Talk to ya all next time!
18/06/2008 02:32:40 ‹Pete› Later! THanks for stopping in
18/06/2008 02:32:44 * kvantum will follow James out the door
18/06/2008 02:33:00 ‹seekerofshadowl› cya james
18/06/2008 02:33:01 ‹kvantum› thanks again, James. keep up the good work.
18/06/2008 02:33:12 ‹seekerofshadowl› and kvantum,
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24/06/2008 20:04:09 ‹Yoda8myhead› Jew's Harp?
24/06/2008 20:04:09 ‹cpt_kirstov› :smoke: and :mike: huh
24/06/2008 20:04:13 ‹Urza› :mike:
24/06/2008 20:04:17 ‹Pete› KEJR: Harmonica
24/06/2008 20:04:19 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Senor Jacobs
24/06/2008 20:04:21 ‹Pygon› hi James!
24/06/2008 20:04:23 ‹James Jacobs› Hi there!
24/06/2008 20:04:25 ‹Urza› yay for mike being a ninja on the catch!
24/06/2008 20:04:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› He convinced a hobgoblin that Lathander was once a hobgoblin and was fond of honorable warfare . . .
24/06/2008 20:04:30 ‹Urza› hi james
24/06/2008 20:04:31 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs!!!
24/06/2008 20:04:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hi James!
24/06/2008 20:04:32 ‹CD @home› hello James
24/06/2008 20:04:40 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Knight
24/06/2008 20:04:42 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome to the party James Jacobs!
24/06/2008 20:04:44 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening James.
24/06/2008 20:04:54 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy ahoy!
24/06/2008 20:04:58 ‹Urza› everyone needs to do ninja smoke in honor of mike!
24/06/2008 20:05:00 ‹Charles Evans› James JAcobs: What's this about Mike McArtor 'retiring'?
24/06/2008 20:05:05 ‹Pygon› are you recuperated from your death-cram for the 13th?
24/06/2008 20:05:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› :ninja:
24/06/2008 20:05:11 * Justin Sluder hands James Jacobs a couple :beer::beer: and a ton of :cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::co okie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cooki e::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie::cookie:
24/06/2008 20:05:15 ‹Urza› :mike:
24/06/2008 20:05:23 ‹James Jacobs› He didn't retire, really... but he DID decide to switch carreers.
24/06/2008 20:05:31 ‹Charles Evans› Urza: You mean :ninja:?
24/06/2008 20:05:33 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, I'd suggest something of Blaring.
24/06/2008 20:05:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm still recovering from last week's "mishap"
24/06/2008 20:05:43 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, type : mike :
24/06/2008 20:05:48 ‹Lilith› Urza, 'Tis True! :mike:
24/06/2008 20:05:57 ‹greengrunt› Mike is no longer doing RPGs?? No Pathfinder?? :cry:
24/06/2008 20:06:01 ‹Mr Baron› Mike switched careers? what happened?
24/06/2008 20:06:01 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is he dual classing or multi classing?
24/06/2008 20:06:02 ‹James Jacobs› He'll still be doing freelance for Paizo, but he's no longer an employee. He has moved on, as they say.
24/06/2008 20:06:04 ‹Pete› KEJR: You should ask Jason about "Drums of Doom"
24/06/2008 20:06:06 ‹Justin Sluder› :gninja:
24/06/2008 20:06:12 ‹James Jacobs› He's dual classing, I believe.
24/06/2008 20:06:14 ‹Mr Baron› where did he go?
24/06/2008 20:06:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I remember reading about those.
24/06/2008 20:06:17 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. that stinks
24/06/2008 20:06:20 ‹Lilith› Pete! :glomp:
24/06/2008 20:06:33 ‹Pete› Lilith!
24/06/2008 20:06:36 ‹Urza› ewwww... dual classing
24/06/2008 20:06:39 ‹Charles Evans› James acobs: Ah... so it will be some time before he has enough levels to be able to use tha bilities of his former classes.... :-??
24/06/2008 20:06:42 ‹Urza› please don't bring those mechanics back
24/06/2008 20:06:44 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, do you happen to know the location of the city of Melesa?
24/06/2008 20:06:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
24/06/2008 20:06:57 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Not off the top of my head.
24/06/2008 20:07:00 ‹James Jacobs› Where's the reference from?
24/06/2008 20:07:04 ‹Urza› Justin.. lol!
24/06/2008 20:07:15 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Melesa was Xin-Edasseril?
24/06/2008 20:07:16 ‹Pete› Mike is on a secret Ninja Bronze Dragon mission. James just can't say so.
24/06/2008 20:07:16 ‹Urza› he's been waiting for 3 days to ask you that and you don't know :)
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24/06/2008 20:07:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Man, I had a ton of questions from last week, but I don't have them handy now.
24/06/2008 20:07:27 ‹Justin Sluder› Urza, what? I've been looking for this answer for days.
24/06/2008 20:07:47 ‹greengrunt› Knight.. you need to step up and get that question sheet :razz:
24/06/2008 20:07:49 ‹Urza› and you didn't waste any time in asking :)
24/06/2008 20:07:51 ‹James Jacobs› Where did you run across reference to Melesa, Justin?
24/06/2008 20:08:02 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, I don't know if you saw my thread on Skipping he Glassworks, but I wonderd if you could offer some advice
24/06/2008 20:08:07 ‹CD @home› James Jacobs, can I ask a marketing type question of you?
24/06/2008 20:08:12 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I think Justin reported a reference from Pathfinder #3, the back, about Varisia, page 63?
24/06/2008 20:08:15 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, pg 74 of Burnt Offerings. It was built with some of the ruins of Xin_Edasseril.
24/06/2008 20:08:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› I actually had this thing all logically spelled out (slow day at work last Tuesday)
24/06/2008 20:08:24 ‹James Jacobs› CD> You can, but I might not kn ow the answer.
24/06/2008 20:08:43 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> What advice were you looking for?
24/06/2008 20:08:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› how to get it back on track
24/06/2008 20:09:01 ‹Justin Sluder› Urza, damn skippy
24/06/2008 20:09:08 ‹Charles Evans› What Justin said... I was thinking of another question about Crystalrock.
24/06/2008 20:09:20 ‹CD @home› Have you (paizo) thought about offering a PDF only subscription?
24/06/2008 20:09:22 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> I suspect it's either a remnant of something we never followed up on, or simply a bit of flavor that had nothing more to it. Yet.
24/06/2008 20:09:23 ‹Charles Evans› :blush:
24/06/2008 20:09:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, are you planning on having any artwork for the rainments and the like for clerics in Gods and Magic?
24/06/2008 20:09:54 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, yeah, I also have a theory that Crystalrock is actually another sleeping place for one of the Runelords. Possible?
24/06/2008 20:09:57 * Indago joins Main
24/06/2008 20:10:03 ‹James Jacobs› CD> I believe we have, but I think the reason we have not gone forward with a PDF only subscription is becasue we want to retain a focus on print products.
24/06/2008 20:10:11 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Indago and Eyebite
24/06/2008 20:10:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey guys!
24/06/2008 20:10:19 ‹Eyebite› Hey Grunt!
24/06/2008 20:10:20 ‹Indago› Hiya
24/06/2008 20:10:27 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Crystalrock could be... it's not one of the secret spots I had in mind, but that doesn't mean it isn't.
24/06/2008 20:10:34 ‹Eyebite› Hey KEJR
24/06/2008 20:10:41 ‹greengrunt› I prefer print anyway.. Ink catridges are freaking expensive!
24/06/2008 20:10:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Is your problem that you skipped the glassworks and now there's no link to Thistletop?
24/06/2008 20:10:47 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, ok, I'm just trying to get a relative position on the 7 capitals of Thassilon.
24/06/2008 20:10:49 ‹CD @home› Don't get me wrong I love the products, Pdf would mean I buy more of them
24/06/2008 20:10:51 ‹greengrunt› er.. cartridges
24/06/2008 20:11:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Do you know which ruined Thassilonian(?) city Urglin is built on the ruins of? (Urglin is the one which Eandro visits in the journal entry in Pathfinder #8, where he meets the half-orc)?
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24/06/2008 20:11:43 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> We're sort of keeping those mysterious on purpose. Feel free to locate them where you wish, of coruse, for your own game. I'm 98.54% certain we'll SOME day do something big with Thassilon, though, and I don't want to nail much continuity down before then.
24/06/2008 20:11:50 ‹greengrunt› Hey Kevin
24/06/2008 20:12:01 ‹Yoda8myhead› The PCs investigated the attack hardcore, and while the Marxist was getting a glassworks tour to foreshadow the workers' murders and endear him to them, another PC snuck off to the cellar, and found Tsuto in the office and the tunnel
24/06/2008 20:12:03 ‹Kevin T.› Man. Been a week since my Pathfinder 10 was shipped out and still haven't gotten it
24/06/2008 20:12:08 ‹Eyebite› James> I'm excited about the new set pieces in PF. What's the approximate word count/page count for these babies?
24/06/2008 20:12:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, just don't have them shift back in from the Plane of Shadow and nuke a couple cities, if you would . . . :shock:
24/06/2008 20:12:33 ‹Kevin T.› and 'ello Green
24/06/2008 20:12:34 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Urglin is built over the remnants of one of the cities in Shalast. I suspect it was the city that organized the mining of stone from the quarry that resulted in the Storval Deep.
24/06/2008 20:12:39 ‹Pygon› Kevin - mine usually take 8 days
24/06/2008 20:12:47 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, understandable. Need any help with that? Lost Empires of Faerun is one of my favorite FR books. I like the ancient history stuff.
24/06/2008 20:12:50 ‹kvantum› Kevin>sadly, I have seen that to be typical at the minimum for Paizo's surface shipping
24/06/2008 20:13:00 ‹kvantum› 7 to 10 calendar days
24/06/2008 20:13:13 ‹greengrunt› James> is there any chance there's going to be a Pathfinder Chronicles covering the rest of Golarion? Like Tian.. Tian Xie?? Damn I screwed up
24/06/2008 20:13:14 ‹Urza› James, i second what KEJ said... don't have any cities returning to present day Golarion from another plane :P
24/06/2008 20:13:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> So the PCs found Tsuto early, then? What happened next?
24/06/2008 20:13:24 ‹Charles Evans› Urglin is Karzoug's turf then?
24/06/2008 20:13:29 ‹CD @home› Pygon, and Kevin T., mine take 20 days
24/06/2008 20:13:40 ‹Kevin T.› Oh I'm not worried about not getting it. I'm worried about the aspect of somebody having stolen it, then me reporting it to Cosmo considering i didnt' get last months either
24/06/2008 20:13:44 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> The Runelords have little to do with the Shadow Plane. Never fear.
24/06/2008 20:13:47 ‹Yoda8myhead› Well I cliffhangered it with them trying to get him to take them down the tunnel cause they're super suspicious
24/06/2008 20:13:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
24/06/2008 20:13:53 ‹Pygon› that's a really slow ferry, isn't it.
24/06/2008 20:14:01 ‹Justin Sluder› Charles Evans, from what I recall, Shalast was one of the largest pieces of Thassilon.
24/06/2008 20:14:06 ‹Charles Evans› I mean the city which was there before Urglin was Karzoug's turf... :)
24/06/2008 20:14:23 ‹Kevin T.› I just don't want Paizo to think i'm trying to steal from them
24/06/2008 20:14:27 ‹Yoda8myhead› so if they go down the tunnel should he take them into a goblin ambush and try to escape, a sinspawn ambush with the same effect, or go turncoat on his dad and try to blame the whole thing on him and then hightail it back to Thistletop
24/06/2008 20:14:28 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes. There's absolutely a chance. I'm actually certain that, some day, we'll do a book about Tian Xia. Not sure when... but it's something that pretty much all of us at Paizo wanna do.
24/06/2008 20:14:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ancient empires are more fun when they remain ancient and they only yield an ancient bad guy once in a while . . .
24/06/2008 20:14:48 ‹Charles Evans› Knight: Although Karzoug did have contacts with Leng which may be worse for Golarion than the mere shadow plane.... :lol:
24/06/2008 20:14:55 * Lilith gives James homemade chicken noodle soup and a cup of hot tea. :tea:
24/06/2008 20:15:00 ‹greengrunt› That would be the fashizzle :D
24/06/2008 20:15:07 ‹Eyebite› Hopefully Mike will still work on the Tian Xia guidebook
24/06/2008 20:15:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I'd have them get ambushed by a bunch of his goblins, then let the PCs track him into the Catacombs. Turn the catacombs into a cat & mouse chase, and let them maybe catch Tsuto in a battle against another monster there.
24/06/2008 20:15:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good point Eyebite, I know he had some definite ideas abou that
24/06/2008 20:15:55 ‹Mr Baron› Any word on when AP4 will be formally announced
24/06/2008 20:16:06 ‹greengrunt› James>anybody working on Golarion's moons yet??
24/06/2008 20:16:12 * Absinth joins Main
24/06/2008 20:16:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah... IIRC Urglin was in Karzoug's realm. We've got a map in the Hardcover Campaign Setting that shows where the seven nations of Thassilon were.
24/06/2008 20:16:26 ‹greengrunt› Hi Absinth
24/06/2008 20:16:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, and then what would you do about Lonjiku and the Ameiko kidnapping? Just skip them?
24/06/2008 20:16:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Ab
24/06/2008 20:16:41 ‹Absinth› Greetings!
24/06/2008 20:16:46 * Urza drools at the thought of an ancient map
24/06/2008 20:16:49 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, :dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2: I love maps! :w00t::w00t:
24/06/2008 20:16:50 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Absinth.
24/06/2008 20:16:51 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks for the soup and tea, Liilth! :)
24/06/2008 20:17:05 ‹Yoda8myhead› Urza, how will you do an ancient map on the atlas?
24/06/2008 20:17:09 ‹greengrunt› Maps=total awesomeness
24/06/2008 20:17:12 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, no problem. I make good chicken & dumplings too, but a lot of people don't like dumplings...
24/06/2008 20:17:16 ‹Kevin T.› James> I'm sure this has been answered before, but curious. With Pathfinder's new companion I'm told that is a suppliment for the Player's Guide book to a path. That mean Pathfinder members from day one will no longer be getting a free guide anymore? how does that all work?
24/06/2008 20:17:20 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> AP4 will probably be formally announced some time around Gen Con, I suspect.
24/06/2008 20:17:25 * loooeees joins Main
24/06/2008 20:17:27 ‹Absinth› Soup and tea?! What about :coffee:?
24/06/2008 20:17:27 ‹Mr Baron› ok
24/06/2008 20:17:32 ‹Urza› Yoda8myhead, i'm afraid to think about it :)
24/06/2008 20:17:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› Lilith, you can send me any dumplings no one else wants
24/06/2008 20:17:38 ‹greengrunt› Hullo looeees
24/06/2008 20:17:41 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yeah, I'd skip the kidnapping bit entirely.
24/06/2008 20:17:42 ‹Mr Baron› anything you can share on AP4?
24/06/2008 20:18:00 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I am not one of those who does not like dumplings.
24/06/2008 20:18:03 ‹cpt_kirstov› Kevin T., those subscribers get the companion free
24/06/2008 20:18:09 ‹Indago› Not liking dumplings?!?! Blasphemous!
24/06/2008 20:18:14 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Soup and tea = better when you're sick.
24/06/2008 20:18:14 ‹greengrunt› 4? Hell I'm really looking forward to AP3
24/06/2008 20:18:17 * Daigle returns!
24/06/2008 20:18:18 ‹cpt_kirstov› at least for second darkness
24/06/2008 20:18:19 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, should Lonjiku just get sent off to Magnimar for trial or something?
24/06/2008 20:18:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy folks!
24/06/2008 20:18:23 ‹Eyebite› Daigle!
24/06/2008 20:18:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Daigle . . .
24/06/2008 20:18:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, fabulous! Have some chicken & dumplings then! :D
24/06/2008 20:18:30 ‹Daigle› Howdy Eyebite!
24/06/2008 20:18:31 ‹Kevin T.› Then it was stupid for me to sign up to the companion subscription?
24/06/2008 20:18:33 ‹Pygon› <- is waiting to read AP3 since AP2 is just getting filed.
24/06/2008 20:18:33 ‹Daigle› And Knight!
24/06/2008 20:18:41 ‹Lilith› DAIGLE! :squee::glomp::thug:
24/06/2008 20:18:51 ‹Daigle› Lilz!
24/06/2008 20:18:52 ‹Yoda8myhead› Kevin, no. Then you'll get the rest of the companions with PDF's as they come out every other month
24/06/2008 20:18:54 ‹Daigle› :glomp:
24/06/2008 20:18:59 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is there any chance of seeing 'island fish' in AP #4 (or at least in the bestiary) the sea-creature the size of a small island with vegetation, etc on its back being popular from the Sinbad style canon?
24/06/2008 20:19:00 ‹Pygon› Kevin - there are other companion products in addition to the player guide, it depends on if you want those too
24/06/2008 20:19:02 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Nothing yet really about AP4. I'm wary about saying too much until we have things locked down into the solicitations... which, now that I think about it, happen in a few weeks, so the OFFICIAL AP4 anouncement will be significantly sooner than Gen Con as a result.
24/06/2008 20:19:03 ‹Mr Baron› I am really looking forward to AP3! August is going to rock with Paizo products
24/06/2008 20:19:04 ‹cpt_kirstov› yof the 3 companions that come ou during a path - you would get the first one free
24/06/2008 20:19:07 ‹Kevin T.› Evening Adam. Have good time in at Fatecon?
24/06/2008 20:19:10 ‹cpt_kirstov› i beleive
24/06/2008 20:19:15 ‹Kevin T.› ah thanks Pygon
24/06/2008 20:19:16 * loooeees quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 20:19:16 * loooeees quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 20:19:19 * Lilith gives James Jacobs a big bowl of fluffy rosemary dumplings with thick chicken soup.
24/06/2008 20:19:21 ‹Daigle› Hey Kevin, yeah it was a blast!
20:19:34 ‹Kevin T.› so will I get one free, or do I end up getting one free and another because I got a subscription?
24/06/2008 20:19:35 ‹kvantum› Charles>why not just a 3.X/PF version of Al-Qadim's Zaratan?
24/06/2008 20:19:49 ‹Yoda8myhead› Kevin, they will not send you two
24/06/2008 20:19:57 ‹Yoda8myhead› if you subscribe to both, you get it free
24/06/2008 20:19:57 ‹Kevin T.› Good to hear man. Wish I could have been thre. I feel bad that I wont get to hang with you again this year at GenCon. Really kicking me in the arse for that
24/06/2008 20:20:01 ‹Mr Baron› any other sneak preview items you can share with us?
24/06/2008 20:20:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› So James, are "traits" replacing "free" regional feats?
24/06/2008 20:20:05 ‹Kevin T.› oh nice to know Yoda. THanks
24/06/2008 20:20:06 ‹Charles Evans› kvantum: Not all of us HAVE Al-Qadim... :)
24/06/2008 20:20:06 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Perhaps. Or, if Lonjiku realizes that the gig is up and he's about to be exposed, maybe he flees the scene entirely. He could therefore end up being caught by Nualia, or Foxglove, or if he makes it to Magnimar, he might end up being some sort of recurring foil for the PCs.
24/06/2008 20:20:08 ‹Kevin T.› been curious about that
24/06/2008 20:20:14 ‹Mr Baron› It sounds like you have a bunch of things in the hopper :)
24/06/2008 20:20:34 ‹Charles Evans› kvantum: A bestiary version for Golarion would be nice.
24/06/2008 20:20:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, a foil in what way?
24/06/2008 20:20:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> There's a possiblity of seeing a zataran style island monster, sure.
24/06/2008 20:20:58 * Russ joins Main
24/06/2008 20:21:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› I almost read that as Zartan . . .
24/06/2008 20:21:07 ‹Justin Sluder› Yoda8myhead, working against the politically I would imagine.
24/06/2008 20:21:07 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: :):w00t:
24/06/2008 20:21:10 ‹greengrunt› I wonder what's south of the Mwangi Expanse??
24/06/2008 20:21:31 ‹Hill Giant› An Islandfish would make a cool Set Piece.
24/06/2008 20:21:31 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, more awesome:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
24/06/2008 20:21:33 ‹Absinth› Damn, are you ill again, James? I think you're working too much! Get well soon!
24/06/2008 20:21:40 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> let me think about preview stuff for a bit...
24/06/2008 20:21:46 ‹Russ› So have we clarified what the +5 melee bonus in PF #10 is supposed to add to? :)
24/06/2008 20:21:47 * Justin Sluder is a smiley addict
24/06/2008 20:21:53 ‹cpt_kirstov› greengrunt, more n expored parts of same epance
24/06/2008 20:21:56 ‹Justin Sluder› :razz:
24/06/2008 20:22:03 ‹Kevin T.› heh Island fishes those were fun magic cards
24/06/2008 20:22:04 ‹kvantum› well, as you go south, Golarion gets more and more fantastical... so... Atlantis?
24/06/2008 20:22:13 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: On the monster front, any more word about Orcus/Clark making a Tomer of Horrors re-release for Pathfinder?
24/06/2008 20:22:15 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yeah. The trait system is replacing the bonus feat thing we did in Rise of the Runelords. We can't actually use the whole regional feat thing anyway; that's not open content.
24/06/2008 20:22:17 ‹cpt_kirstov› *uneplored
24/06/2008 20:22:26 ‹Russ› Which August products ship to subs? I'm guessing not the hardcover? :(
24/06/2008 20:22:46 ‹Russ› Hmm. I can't imagine WotC can claim ownership over regional feats regardless.
24/06/2008 20:22:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Makes perfect sense James, and I like the slight shift in focus.
24/06/2008 20:22:48 ‹cpt_kirstov› Russ, hardcover is part of chronicles sub
24/06/2008 20:22:59 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, how can regional feats not be open? If you can create new feats, why can't you make new feats and jsut say where they are most often used?
24/06/2008 20:23:04 ‹Charles Evans› Kevin T. : I concur on the artwork for the original edition Island Fish Jasconius... I loved that picture.
24/06/2008 20:23:11 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. is it true that the Pathfinder RPG hardcover is going to be released a year from now?
24/06/2008 20:23:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Any way you want, really. He could end up teaming up with Ironbriar or Foxglove or he might even sell out some info to the giants so that they can raid Sandpoint better. Use Lonjiku as a pest & thorn in the PCs side, and then in the end they should be able to confront him and fight him or something.
24/06/2008 20:23:35 ‹Yoda8myhead› ok
24/06/2008 20:23:37 ‹Charles Evans› Kevin T. :Sorry, it was an Arabian Night, wasn't it?
24/06/2008 20:23:48 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> What +5 melee bonus in PF 10 are you talking about?
24/06/2008 20:24:04 ‹Kevin T.› Think so yes
24/06/2008 20:24:11 ‹Kevin T.› though I haven't kept up with MTG in many years
24/06/2008 20:24:15 ‹greengrunt› Of course... I understand that mayhaps you'z guys may have to work any more 'kinks' out of the PFRPG
24/06/2008 20:24:29 ‹Kevin T.› spent to much money on it...much like I do with Paizo Publishing. However, I am getting good material least with Paizo lol
24/06/2008 20:24:35 ‹Charles Evans› Tome[s]r]/s
24/06/2008 20:24:37 ‹Russ› James - under the Harrow deck portion
24/06/2008 20:24:39 ‹Absinth› James, you did talk about leaving several parts of the map blank, so that GMs can develop their own stuff and place it there. Will the moons be blank spaces like this or do you have plans for those?
24/06/2008 20:24:56 ‹Ross› Kevin T., heh. Paizo eats up what used to be my drafting budget.
24/06/2008 20:25:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, will the Guide to Absalom have info on the Pathfinders in it, and/or will there be Pathfinder Chronicle products that deal with "important" organizations (Kind of the the Realms "Cloak and Dagger" from 2nd Ed)
24/06/2008 20:25:11 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No word yet about a Pathfinder Tome of Horrors yet. Clark, in his adorable way, kinda mused out loud about that well before we were really ready to talk about it ourself. There'll be SOMETHING down the line, though. If only becasue if he goes full-on GSL, he can't reprint the Tome of Horrors or sell PDFs, and we use that book a LOT, so we'll be forced to do something like reprint ...
24/06/2008 20:25:22 ‹Kevin T.› Paizo eats up my GenCon money heh
24/06/2008 20:25:42 * Charles Evans ticks another question off the list....
24/06/2008 20:25:51 ‹kvantum› Page 12 of Pf #10 - Brutal Strike: Spend a Harrow Point to gain a +5 bonus on all melee or natural weapons for the duration of one combat. Alternatively, brutal strike allows you to ignore an object’s hardness for 1 round.
24/06/2008 20:25:53 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> WotC might or might not want to claim ownership over regional feats... but I'd rather not taunt & tease & test them. And Instead come up with something I think is better.
24/06/2008 20:25:59 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Kevin.. I had to stop my PF module subscription :cry: Couldn't afford that and the AP
24/06/2008 20:26:04 ‹Russ› Brutal Strike., yep, that's it
24/06/2008 20:26:06 * Skeld joins Main
24/06/2008 20:26:09 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, LOVE traits. Love them.
24/06/2008 20:26:14 ‹Urza› bah... what a sap i've become in my old age.. whenever buffy jams that sword through angel's gut to save the world i'm always hoping she doesn't do it!
24/06/2008 20:26:16 ‹Lilith› Skeld! Mead for you! :beer:
24/06/2008 20:26:26 ‹Russ› I don't see how a regional feat as a concept could be PI, and the whole game rules can't be copyrighted thing, but...sure :)
24/06/2008 20:26:29 ‹Justin Sluder› If it wasn't for all the awesom coming out of Paizo I could have already moved there and started working in the warehouse. Provided I can get hired of course.
24/06/2008 20:26:33 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Yes. The hardcover Pathfinder RPG final is releasing in August 2009. The softcover Beta releases in 2008.
24/06/2008 20:26:36 ‹greengrunt› Hi Skeld
24/06/2008 20:26:48 ‹Ross› Justin Sluder, ?
24/06/2008 20:26:49 ‹Skeld› Thanks Lilith, yum
24/06/2008 20:26:55 ‹greengrunt› Looking forward to it sir! :D
24/06/2008 20:26:56 ‹Kevin T.› I cannot afford it either, but I don't want to stop. not only do I enjoy it, I am kind of "collecting" them. Well just about everything but the miniatures
24/06/2008 20:26:58 ‹Skeld› hi all
24/06/2008 20:27:02 ‹Kevin T.› those are just too bloody expensive
24/06/2008 20:27:08 ‹Skeld› has james jacobs been pummeled to death with questions yet?
24/06/2008 20:27:12 ‹Russ› I'm skipping the minis. Too many ugly ones, and metal is just too spendy now.
24/06/2008 20:27:15 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I have no idea what you're talking about, alas. I don't have a copy of #10 here. I suspect it's an editorial error that I can address tomorrow or whenever I get ahold of my copy.
24/06/2008 20:27:16 * Wolfshead joins Main
24/06/2008 20:27:19 ‹Hill Giant› JJ: So Paizo could reprint ToH, even if Necromancer can't?
24/06/2008 20:27:30 ‹greengrunt› Miniatures are a freaking snare and a racket! :mad:
24/06/2008 20:27:35 ‹Kevin T.› bad enough I got to caugh up money just to get my hands on the second GenCon special. Oh speaking of which, Daigle would you be kind enough to pick me up a copy if I send ya the money
24/06/2008 20:27:36 ‹Pygon› the questions have been a Blinding Barrage his evening *ducks*
24/06/2008 20:27:38 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, what's up?
24/06/2008 20:27:47 ‹Russ› Kvantum summarized it. The Brutal Strike harrow point entry that doesn't give you a clear guideline to what the +5 melee bonus is on
24/06/2008 20:27:48 ‹Absinth› Did you people already ask if there's still a chance that Mike will do the Xian Tia book?
24/06/2008 20:27:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Probably not as ToH, but all of the monsters in it are OGL now . . .
24/06/2008 20:27:51 ‹Ross› Justin Sluder, how did awesome stop you?
24/06/2008 20:28:05 ‹Charles Evans› Absinth: I think someone commented on that, yes.
24/06/2008 20:28:12 ‹Russ› You mean the special cover, or another special?
24/06/2008 20:28:20 ‹Kevin T.› special cover
24/06/2008 20:28:23 ‹Daigle› I don't see why not.
24/06/2008 20:28:34 ‹Kevin T.› I got the first special cover signed by almost everyone, want to do it each year
24/06/2008 20:28:35 ‹Charles Evans› Absinth: I'm not sure that any clarity was forthcoming.
24/06/2008 20:28:48 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> We're not going to leave any particular spot blank for GMs to develop, really. That's not the point of Golarion; it's a world WE'RE developing for our customers, after all. That said... we can't develop the whole world. Some parts of it will never see much more info beyond what the Hardcover does. But what parts those blank spots might be... I dunno.
24/06/2008 20:28:51 ‹Absinth› Thanks, Charles
24/06/2008 20:28:54 ‹Kevin T.› Thanks man. I migh still go to GenCon.....just not s ure. I got the money so to speak, just no room yet
24/06/2008 20:28:57 ‹Russ› I'm about a 3.5/5 on this piece of the path. Half-star for being a bit too linear, but it's a fun adventure.
24/06/2008 20:29:08 ‹Ross› James, is the GenCon cover going to be available for sale on Paizo.com again?
24/06/2008 20:29:09 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, Paizo's totally awesome products are at fault for me not being able to move there and be a warehouse monkey for them.
24/06/2008 20:29:27 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. that would be awesome if you guys just did even a little blurb for Golarion
24/06/2008 20:29:27 ‹Kevin T.› Ross, Would think so if they have extras after GenCon
24/06/2008 20:29:31 ‹Ross› Justin Sluder, how?
24/06/2008 20:29:42 ‹Kevin T.› lol same problem I have Justin
24/06/2008 20:29:42 ‹greengrunt› ..er.. even the more obscure bits
24/06/2008 20:29:49 ‹Mr Baron› I know Clark likes to pre-announce products well before development has even started, BUT I sincerely hope that you guys will be able to work it out!
24/06/2008 20:29:51 ‹Kevin T.› I so wanted to take that Customer Support job
24/06/2008 20:29:58 ‹Absinth› Okay, leaving parts "blank" was bad phrasing... Sorry.
24/06/2008 20:30:07 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> I don't know. it's complicated, which is why it's frustrating that Clark said "THERE'S GONNA BE A PATHFINDER TOME" without really stopping to talk to the rest of us. We'll work it out, but I'm not sure of the details yet, so that's pretty much all I have to say on that topic for now.
24/06/2008 20:30:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: On the Mike McArtor front, will he still be calling in on the Paizo boards, or did I drive him insane with questions about the Acadamae? I still have another twenty or thirty pages of Guide to Korvosa to get clarifications on... :D
24/06/2008 20:30:11 ‹Mr Baron› A full color ToH for PF would just rock...
24/06/2008 20:30:35 ‹Russ› Poor combusted Mike...
24/06/2008 20:30:38 ‹Ross› Kevin T., Justin Sluder, you guys mean being able to afford to move?
24/06/2008 20:30:44 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Assuming Mike WANTS to write some of the book... yes. He'll be involved in a Tian Xia book if and when we do one.
24/06/2008 20:30:51 ‹greengrunt› James> Mayhaps you need to invest a tranquilzer gun for Clark :razz:
24/06/2008 20:31:12 ‹greengrunt› er.. tranquilizer gun
24/06/2008 20:31:17 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, yeah. I want to move and work in the Paizo warehouse.
24/06/2008 20:31:18 ‹Mr Baron› naw...we love him and his big mouth way too much
24/06/2008 20:31:19 ‹Ross› Daigle, you may have to start a collection for alt. covers if you're going to do pick-ups.
24/06/2008 20:31:19 ‹Daigle› :lol:
24/06/2008 20:31:20 ‹Eyebite› I hope Mike does a Paizo blog post - kind of a "hey guys, this is what I've been up to" post
24/06/2008 20:31:22 ‹Urza› what's scarey is clark's predictions about how companies will bypass the GSL is coming true
24/06/2008 20:31:28 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Whatever we don't sell at Gen Con of the alternate cover will indeed go on sale at Paizo.com.
24/06/2008 20:31:32 ‹Urza› so i suspect he's dead on about Tome Pathfinder :)
24/06/2008 20:31:36 ‹Charles Evans› I think Clark is just venting his wrath & frustration on his enemies, by showing them that if they won't make deals that there will be consequences....
24/06/2008 20:31:39 ‹Ross› Justin Sluder, send the resume. If you get hired, then you know you can afford to move.
24/06/2008 20:31:47 ‹Kevin T.› That and Paizo can't pay me what I make now an hour, nor give me the same ammount of benefits
24/06/2008 20:31:51 ‹Russ› Why not? TSR never managed to shut down all the clones before.
24/06/2008 20:32:08 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, I need $ before I can move.
24/06/2008 20:32:18 ‹Lilith› Justin Sluder, I know the feeling. :)
24/06/2008 20:32:27 ‹Urza› whatever you don't selll... oh no! that means it might sell out :(
24/06/2008 20:32:29 ‹greengrunt› I need $ period :razz:
24/06/2008 20:32:36 ‹Kevin T.› Nor would there have been a guarantee of getting the job. As much as I'd love to work for everyone there, and do a job I think might be enjoyable and rewarding
24/06/2008 20:32:53 ‹Mr Baron› Clark seems to have good feeling on how things will work out
24/06/2008 20:33:00 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's up to Mike if he wants to keep posting on the boards. I suspect he will, but he won't be able to do so with NEARLY as much frequency since his new job won't let him spend hours surfing messageboards.
24/06/2008 20:33:03 * Urza grumbles about paying $10 for the "free" wizards module on ebay and now fears what pathfinder 13 alt cover will cost him
24/06/2008 20:33:25 ‹Russ› Urza - $20 less discount plus shipping at the Paizo store
24/06/2008 20:33:31 ‹Kevin T.› James> if you don't mind me asking, what line of work did he go into? Game industry or something different?
24/06/2008 20:33:37 ‹Charles Evans› :( (about Mike not having nearly so much time to message board)
24/06/2008 20:33:40 ‹Russ› But even I'm not enough of a completist to care about alt covers
24/06/2008 20:33:41 ‹Justin Sluder› Urza, I know, I want to get the special PF covers too.
24/06/2008 20:33:42 ‹greengrunt› Urza you may have to "ninja" the alt PF 13 cover
24/06/2008 20:33:44 ‹Ross› Justin Sluder, ah. I'm continually tempted by the Software job. I could afford to move if I KNEW there was a job waiting (though it would wipe my savings). My issue is more dropping out of grad school and moving 3,000 miles from my girlfriend.
24/06/2008 20:33:58 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Clark's a VERY smart guy. His predictions are pretty keen... but flawed by the amount of goodwill he assumes WotC has to 3PP.
24/06/2008 20:34:03 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, in case i missed it, what is Mike doing now (if you can say)?
24/06/2008 20:34:14 * Samwise joins Main
24/06/2008 20:34:34 ‹greengrunt› hey Wolf.. Samwise.. greetings
24/06/2008 20:34:36 ‹Russ› I think their treatment of Paizo speaks volumes.
24/06/2008 20:34:45 ‹Lilith› Samwise! :glomp:
24/06/2008 20:34:51 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, the only things keeping me where I am (Arkansas) is lack of money, and not wanting to get rid of most of my stuff.
24/06/2008 20:34:54 * Indago quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 20:34:58 * Charles Evans waves to samwise....:)
24/06/2008 20:35:04 ‹Samwise› i am attacked!
24/06/2008 20:35:10 ‹Mr Baron› I think is trying to stay in their good graces so that we can continue to get inside scoop and such
24/06/2008 20:35:11 ‹Yoda8myhead› Thanks for the :smoker: icon, Lilith. I am going to use it now!
24/06/2008 20:35:12 ‹Russ› I'm down to just buying minis and d-tiles from WotC
24/06/2008 20:35:20 ‹Lilith› Yoda8myhead, you're welcome. :)
24/06/2008 20:35:20 ‹Samwise› howdy
24/06/2008 20:35:21 ‹cpt_kirstov› Skeld, mike's doing :mike:
24/06/2008 20:35:26 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin T.> His new day job is not in the gaming industry.
24/06/2008 20:35:37 ‹Justin Sluder› I don't buy anything from WotC anymore.
24/06/2008 20:35:51 ‹Kevin T.› Ah. Thanks James. Hope that goes well for him
24/06/2008 20:35:53 ‹Yoda8myhead› Russ, I don't even buy those from them. I'm completely done. (Though I did want to pick up some Star Wars sourcebooks for inspiration on my Trek endeavor)
24/06/2008 20:35:54 ‹Justin Sluder› I'd like more mini's, but I can do without.
24/06/2008 20:35:59 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> So do I.
24/06/2008 20:36:03 ‹greengrunt› Yeah my WOTC funds have gone to nonexistent
24/06/2008 20:36:17 ‹Mr Baron› James, from your perspective, what's how is the relationship between Paizo & WotC?
24/06/2008 20:36:20 ‹Samwise› i actually appreciate wotc for doing that
24/06/2008 20:36:24 * Yoda8myhead changes his/her nickname to Yoda is a :smoker:
24/06/2008 20:36:42 ‹Russ› Schmott guy, that Mike
24/06/2008 20:36:48 ‹Samwise› just like wizkids when they saved me all that money by breaking my mage knight habit cold turkey
24/06/2008 20:36:58 ‹greengrunt› LOL
24/06/2008 20:36:59 ‹Samwise› now i save all the money i used to spend on wotc supplements
24/06/2008 20:37:16 ‹Russ› Samwise - sending it to Paizo, or done with da gaming bucks?
24/06/2008 20:37:18 ‹Absinth› :smoker:
24/06/2008 20:37:26 ‹greengrunt› Invest in Paizo..Aye
24/06/2008 20:37:48 ‹Urza› except paizo is way more expensive habbit then wizards :)
24/06/2008 20:37:59 ‹Samwise› russ>mostly pending at the moment
24/06/2008 20:38:00 ‹Justin Sluder› not for me
24/06/2008 20:38:03 ‹Justin Sluder› normally
24/06/2008 20:38:06 ‹Daigle› Ya get what ya pay for. ;)
24/06/2008 20:38:12 ‹Samwise› russ>i should actually like . . . save some, or spend it on food
24/06/2008 20:38:16 ‹Samwise› stuff like that :-P
24/06/2008 20:38:16 ‹Lilith› Daigle, hee hee. ;)
24/06/2008 20:38:17 ‹greengrunt› Meh... The quality is fantastical .. Fantastical difference
24/06/2008 20:38:20 ‹Russ› Nah, Wizard floods WAY more product
24/06/2008 20:38:24 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> The relationship between Paizo the company and WotC the company right now? Pretty quiet. The relationship between Paizo employees and WotC employees? Pretty positive. Several of us at Paizo have good friends at WotC; I just spent all day Sunday hanging out at Matt Sernett's place watching kung fu and dinosaur movies and eating barbecue.
24/06/2008 20:38:34 ‹Lilith› Russ, way more crappy product, at any rate. :P
24/06/2008 20:38:54 ‹Russ› I would think they'd feel guilty about working for such an asshat corp, but cognitive dissonance...
24/06/2008 20:38:55 ‹greengrunt› Did you stain your clothes with BBQ sauce sir? :razz:
24/06/2008 20:39:00 ‹Urza› Russ, are you kidding... in a year of pathfinder there are more paizo books out then Wizards puts out in a year
24/06/2008 20:39:04 * Russ has lost all respect for Mearls
24/06/2008 20:39:16 ‹greengrunt› Nicely done!
24/06/2008 20:39:19 ‹Absinth› James, would you like to do a scourcebook on the red and green planet some time?
24/06/2008 20:39:22 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, good to know it's just a exec's in their corners offices who're screwing things up.
24/06/2008 20:39:23 ‹cpt_kirstov› wait! He caught up! More questions!
24/06/2008 20:39:25 ‹Russ› Urza - WotC's putting $500 of product out, not counting minis and d-tiles, in 9 months
24/06/2008 20:39:28 ‹Kevin T.› That and everything from Paizo was actually good and useful
24/06/2008 20:39:29 ‹James Jacobs› It was hamburgers and sausage and (gross) mushrooms.
24/06/2008 20:39:44 ‹Samwise› yay $500!
24/06/2008 20:39:47 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: there has been some speculation on the Paizo boards that some of the changes coming through may be from Hasbro corporate suits telling WotC what to do; might there be any foundation there, or is the change of direction on OGL, etc, coming entirely from within WotC?
24/06/2008 20:39:48 * clight101 joins Main
24/06/2008 20:39:49 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> I suspect it's far more than a single exec in a corner office. But whatever.
24/06/2008 20:39:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy clight!
24/06/2008 20:39:59 ‹Charles Evans› (I understand if you can't comment on this tricky matter.)
24/06/2008 20:40:06 ‹greengrunt› What! You don't like Portabello 'shrooms!? ..Sigh.. alas.. alas
24/06/2008 20:40:09 * Lilith wishes we could talk about Paizo & Pathfinder instead of Paizo & WotC....
24/06/2008 20:40:09 ‹Samwise› if my cash flow improves, i might become a paizo superscriber or whatever it is
24/06/2008 20:40:12 ‹Samwise› otherwise . . .
24/06/2008 20:40:12 ‹Russ› I dug up a quote of Mearls saying, pre-Wotc, that TSR's mistake was assuming they knew what game people wanted to paly.
24/06/2008 20:40:19 ‹Lilith› Superscriber! :woot:
24/06/2008 20:40:20 ‹Mr Baron› I suspect that at the writer level, things are fine...its just the legal suits that are getting too involved
24/06/2008 20:40:21 ‹Russ› I want to staple that quote to his head in 5 years.
24/06/2008 20:40:38 ‹clight101› hey Daigle
24/06/2008 20:40:46 ‹Samwise› and of course it depends on how i like prpg ;)
24/06/2008 20:40:48 * Lilith waves at clight101.
24/06/2008 20:40:49 ‹Hill Giant› Russ, that game was Spellfire ;-)
24/06/2008 20:40:50 ‹Russ› Mearls of the "It's no FUN to do this, so in 4E you can't"
24/06/2008 20:40:52 ‹Urza› Russ, have you hadded up all the pathfinder stuff in 1 year? pathfinder ap + 1 module = price of 1 hardcover
24/06/2008 20:40:54 ‹Daigle› Let's quit bashing WotC and focus on bugging James with Pathfinder questions.
24/06/2008 20:40:59 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I meant to make it plural. I guess I'm tireder that I realized.
24/06/2008 20:41:02 ‹Daigle› ;)
24/06/2008 20:41:02 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› James, the wiki is sadly lacking a valuable bio on you. Mind adding one? ;-)
24/06/2008 20:41:03 ‹Lilith› Daigle: Yay! :woot:
24/06/2008 20:41:04 ‹clight101› hi Lilith
24/06/2008 20:41:05 ‹Eyebite› I agree Daigle
24/06/2008 20:41:05 ‹greengrunt› Oi Clight! Greetings!
24/06/2008 20:41:24 ‹Eyebite› I'm far more interested in Paizo/Pathfinder news
24/06/2008 20:41:25 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I don't work at WotC anymore, so my speculations on that matter would be just that: Speculation. I suspect that Hasbro has very little to do with any of it apart from a request to make D&D make more money. How WotC does it, I suspect, is left up to WotC.
24/06/2008 20:41:28 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs: What is your greatest fear for the Pathfinder RPG, besides the obvious "not selling well?"
24/06/2008 20:41:28 ‹greengrunt› Senor Jacobs has just made me hungry for some BBQ
24/06/2008 20:41:30 * Daigle nods
24/06/2008 20:41:48 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 20:41:52 ‹Russ› Pathfinder: $200, Modules: was $130, Chronicles: a bit north of modules, so yeah I have, and $500 in 3/4 of a year is more
24/06/2008 20:41:55 ‹clight101› hey greengrunt, how's it going
24/06/2008 20:41:56 ‹Kevin T.› I wish Hasbro would be smart and republish HeroQuest
24/06/2008 20:41:58 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Fungus should not be eaten. It grows on dead things.
24/06/2008 20:42:10 ‹Absinth› lol
24/06/2008 20:42:12 ‹Daigle› Lilz, having Logue go too nuts with PFS :)
24/06/2008 20:42:12 ‹Russ› James - well, they did put a Hasbro suit in charge of WotC
24/06/2008 20:42:14 ‹greengrunt› LOL.. But they're good man!!
24/06/2008 20:42:34 ‹Russ› ppsssst James most plants grow on dead things
24/06/2008 20:42:36 ‹clight101› Kevin T. > That would be one of the neatest things ever
24/06/2008 20:42:37 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› No more WotC talK!!!
24/06/2008 20:42:38 ‹Mr Baron› I am good with the fungus, but my family is not :)
24/06/2008 20:42:41 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, bah. Mushrooms are great with beef.
24/06/2008 20:42:45 ‹greengrunt› Marinated portabello 'shrooms are the fashizzle!!
24/06/2008 20:42:49 ‹Kevin T.› Yes it would clight101
24/06/2008 20:42:54 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacob: Sometimes fungus grows on dead plants, not dead animals.
24/06/2008 20:43:07 ‹Justin Sluder› Yoda is a :smoker:, WotC WotC WotC :razz:
24/06/2008 20:43:10 ‹Russ› Love the shrooms
24/06/2008 20:43:11 ‹Daigle› Mmmm, fungus.
24/06/2008 20:43:14 ‹Eyebite› Yeah, sauteed mushrooms on a good steak is tough to beat
24/06/2008 20:43:19 ‹greengrunt› Sausages sound totally delicious though
24/06/2008 20:43:24 ‹Mr Baron› mmmm..yum!
24/06/2008 20:43:27 ‹Pygon› mmm steak.
24/06/2008 20:43:28 ‹Kevin T.› Man of all the things that's going to piss me off about not being at GenCon will be not being able to participate in the first session of Pathfinder Society
24/06/2008 20:43:29 ‹Russ› Nearly all fungus, really
24/06/2008 20:43:31 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> My bio = James is the guy who works on Pathfinder. He likes Godzilla and dinosaurs and Lovecraft stuff. He has a pet cat. His favorite pizza topping is artichoke hearts, and his favorite movie is Alien. He wants to buy a lizard, too.
24/06/2008 20:43:35 ‹Mr Baron› steak & 'shrooms!
24/06/2008 20:43:35 ‹Russ› But not that nasty fungal water stuff
24/06/2008 20:43:35 * Daigle is glad he just ate.
24/06/2008 20:43:37 ‹Charles Evans› In fact I think it's mould which grows on dead animals?
24/06/2008 20:43:57 ‹clight101› Kevin T > They sould market HeroQuest as the break in RPG game. It's what got me started playing games like that when I was 8
24/06/2008 20:44:01 ‹Kevin T.› Haven't gotten that water dragon yet James?
24/06/2008 20:44:04 ‹Daigle› Mold isn't bad either. ;)
24/06/2008 20:44:08 ‹greengrunt› What? What about John Carpenter's 'The Thing?'
24/06/2008 20:44:13 * Charles Evans gets confused between real world and fantasy world biology of fungi....
24/06/2008 20:44:13 * Yoda is a :smoker: forgot that the weather is nice so his laptop is out while he :smoker:
24/06/2008 20:44:13 ‹Russ› James must not like beer.
24/06/2008 20:44:15 ‹Saracenus› Sorry folks, gonna go watch Cloverfield with the wife...
24/06/2008 20:44:16 ‹James Jacobs› You all can have your mushrooms. I'll be over here eating food that tastes good instead.
24/06/2008 20:44:19 ‹Kevin T.› HeroQuest got me into D&D when I was 5 so know what ya mean
24/06/2008 20:44:23 ‹greengrunt› LOL
24/06/2008 20:44:25 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > That would be an awesome bio except for the cat part
24/06/2008 20:44:27 ‹cpt_kirstov› James Jacobs, so we can bribe you by buying you a lizard from a pet shop up there and having it delivered to the office like the lizza was?
24/06/2008 20:44:30 ‹Russ› HAPPY BIRTHDAY SARACENUS!
24/06/2008 20:44:34 ‹Russ› I think
24/06/2008 20:44:38 ‹Justin Sluder› Saracenus, enjoy
24/06/2008 20:44:39 ‹Saracenus› lol
24/06/2008 20:44:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, have some more chicken & dumplings. :)
24/06/2008 20:44:45 ‹Saracenus› Try March 13th
24/06/2008 20:44:48 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> Nope; haven't had a chance to do much at all non-work related over the past several months.
24/06/2008 20:44:49 ‹Daigle› Take care Saracenus!
24/06/2008 20:44:52 ‹Mr Baron› what kind of lizard are you thinking og?
24/06/2008 20:44:53 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. Senor Jacobs needs some sushi :razz:
24/06/2008 20:44:56 ‹Charles Evans› cpt Kirstov: I think that Yasha has promised James a lizard...
24/06/2008 20:44:57 ‹Russ› Okay, wrong contact, sorry :)
24/06/2008 20:45:01 ‹James Jacobs› And getting a lizard is a big project, especially if it's an exotic one.
24/06/2008 20:45:03 ‹Saracenus› lol
24/06/2008 20:45:08 ‹Kevin T.› Sorry to hear that James
24/06/2008 20:45:12 ‹Kevin T.› know you really want one
24/06/2008 20:45:14 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Saracenus.
24/06/2008 20:45:16 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> James destests beer, in fact. it tastes like piss.
24/06/2008 20:45:23 ‹greengrunt› LMAO
24/06/2008 20:45:25 ‹Russ› Detest wine too? :)
24/06/2008 20:45:30 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The Thing is my 2nd favorite movie.
24/06/2008 20:45:32 ‹Mr Baron› yes it is...It would be kewl to own, but the feeding and upkeep would be a bear
24/06/2008 20:45:39 ‹Samwise› beer is nasty
24/06/2008 20:45:39 ‹Russ› Just running down the list of fungal products, which include beer, wine and bread
24/06/2008 20:45:41 ‹Eyebite› Shall we start a "buy James a Dire Iguana" fund? ;)
24/06/2008 20:45:45 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› That bio is totally going up right now next to your picture
24/06/2008 20:45:46 ‹greengrunt› Aye.. great flick
24/06/2008 20:45:47 ‹Samwise› go vodka!
24/06/2008 20:45:52 * Saracenus is going to see the Reptile Guy next week with his niece and nephew... Got to pet a King Cobra last time...
24/06/2008 20:46:00 ‹Russ› And distilled spirits :P
24/06/2008 20:46:04 * Agathezol joins Main
24/06/2008 20:46:08 ‹Saracenus› Love his snapping turtle too
24/06/2008 20:46:14 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, so what do you like to drink?
24/06/2008 20:46:16 ‹Ross› Russ, yeast isn't really a fungus.
24/06/2008 20:46:18 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > Are you going to be at or already at Origons and will you have any fun PF stuff there?
24/06/2008 20:46:20 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> I'm thinking of either a water dragon or a big gecko.
24/06/2008 20:46:22 ‹Lilith› Russ, yeast is not fungus! :)
24/06/2008 20:46:26 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, better yet, we need to kidnap a mad scientist to clone a dinosaur that James can ride to work.
24/06/2008 20:46:30 ‹Saracenus› Good luck with the exotic pet they are tricky to care for...
24/06/2008 20:46:31 ‹clight101› Well in columbus anyways
24/06/2008 20:46:33 ‹greengrunt› Rut Roh- methinks James is a Wild Turkey guy :shock:
24/06/2008 20:46:35 ‹Lilith› Daigle, hell yeah! :raptor:
24/06/2008 20:46:44 ‹Hill Giant› JJ: Get an axalotl!
24/06/2008 20:46:45 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Wine's okay, I guess... I'm not a big drinker overall, though.
24/06/2008 20:46:46 ‹cpt_kirstov› i have 5 gekos... thhink they'll survive the trip?
24/06/2008 20:46:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› So, Kobold King and Entombed with the Pharoahs got sequels . . . what adventure might be next in line for one?
24/06/2008 20:46:53 ‹Russ› Yeast is a unicellular fungi
24/06/2008 20:46:57 ‹Russ› nyah :)
24/06/2008 20:47:10 ‹James Jacobs› clight101> I'm not going to Origins.
24/06/2008 20:47:19 ‹James Jacobs› There will probably be fun PF stuff there though.
24/06/2008 20:47:20 * ephealy joins Main
24/06/2008 20:47:31 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are you allowed to spoil any further details for Paizo at GenCon UK? How much of a sacrifice are Josh, Jason, and the others making to head over here,(or had they planned european holidays this year anyway?:)).
24/06/2008 20:47:24 ‹Daigle› What a fun guy!
24/06/2008 20:47:32 ‹Daigle› Ed-tastic!
24/06/2008 20:47:34 ‹greengrunt› LOL
24/06/2008 20:47:51 ‹Ross› Russ, it's the only unicellular fungi. That makes it a different thing as far as I'm concerned.
24/06/2008 20:47:54 ‹Russ› I'm hoping PFS manages to be less midwest-centric in their support
24/06/2008 20:48:04 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I wouldn't call getting to go to Europe for free much of a sacrifice...
24/06/2008 20:48:04 ‹greengrunt› I would love to somehow hitchhike to GenCon UK
24/06/2008 20:48:21 ‹Lilith› Ed! :glomp: :lick:
24/06/2008 20:48:29 ‹James Jacobs› But apart from the fact that some of Paizo is going to Gen Con UK... that's about all I know about that.
24/06/2008 20:48:37 ‹greengrunt› but I think my 'freighter time' would be a little rough
24/06/2008 20:48:41 * Saracenus quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 20:48:42 ‹cpt_kirstov› alright 1145... time for bed
24/06/2008 20:48:43 ‹Kevin T.› James make sure to hook up with Smithie I believe his name was
24/06/2008 20:48:49 ‹James Jacobs› I tend to keep my head low when convention talk starts getting tossed around...
24/06/2008 20:48:51 ‹greengrunt› g'nite Capn
20:49:02 ‹Absinth› More :coffee: then...
24/06/2008 20:49:08 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: They're getting complimentary air fares and hotel rooms? (okay, i suspect they could get free bed & Board with fans over here if they asked, but the travel costs...)
24/06/2008 20:49:09 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Cap'm
24/06/2008 20:49:10 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I hope so too.
24/06/2008 20:49:11 ‹Russ› Then again, I'm hoping PFS doesn't become con-centric in general.
24/06/2008 20:49:12 ‹Justin Sluder› cpt_kirstov, take care
24/06/2008 20:49:18 ‹greengrunt› Well at least it isn't from the 'shrooms sir :razz:
24/06/2008 20:49:49 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It's a business trip. I don't know the details, but generally you don't have to pay for business trips out of your own pocket.
24/06/2008 20:50:02 ‹Charles Evans› :lol:
24/06/2008 20:50:11 ‹cpt_kirstov› they are tax deductions for the company
24/06/2008 20:50:36 ‹Charles Evans› James Joacbs: Will they be taking any products with them to Reading to sell?
24/06/2008 20:50:44 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Again, I hope so as well. While I understand that conventions and org play are important facets of gaming... it's not a scene that I'm personally into, and I've seen that type of org play stuff cause LOTS of problems before with world contiunity and all that.
24/06/2008 20:51:10 ‹Pygon› James - as I read through the first few parts of the Gazetteer, I noticed that in addition to providing information about the areas, each section was also laced with mini-hooks that spark enjoyable adventure ideas. Is this something Paizo strives for in its sourcebooks to make them not only useful but more entertaining to read, and do you all try to improve each other's content in that way as...
24/06/2008 20:51:12 ‹Pygon› you edit the work? What advice could you give to RPG writers in that regard? I guess a better question is, why are you so good at it? :)
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24/06/2008 20:51:29 ‹James Jacobs› But in the end I suspect that the org play element of Pathfinder will be relatively self-contained.
24/06/2008 20:51:38 ‹greengrunt› James> Is there any upcoming Paizo/PF products that you're particularly stoked about?
24/06/2008 20:51:44 ‹clight101› James Jacobs > So can you give us an estimate of how many subscribtions Piazo has for there PF books?
24/06/2008 20:51:49 ‹Charles Evans› :-? Hmmm. Nick Logue (of PFS) & continuity are not words which I expected to see all together.
24/06/2008 20:51:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› I promise not to blow much up when I GM at Gen Con James . . .
24/06/2008 20:51:55 ‹clight101› just the adventure paths
24/06/2008 20:52:24 ‹Russ› 250+ charter superscribers
24/06/2008 20:52:46 ‹clight101› What makes a superscriber?
24/06/2008 20:52:46 ‹Russ› What's Nick Logue's background in organized play before this, anyhow?
24/06/2008 20:52:59 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> We do try to make our books as entertaining to read as they are to run. As for how to get good at it... the magic combination is to read a LOT (and not just fantasy...), build your own campaign setting, play and run the game, and do so over the course of many years.
24/06/2008 20:53:02 ‹Kevin T.› James Jacobs, will we be hearing anything more solid on the "rules" of Pathfinder Society before GenCon?
24/06/2008 20:53:12 ‹Justin Sluder› AP, Mods, Companions, and Chronicles
24/06/2008 20:53:18 ‹greengrunt› Nick wanted to destroy Absalom in a cloud of thermonuclear devastation LOL
24/06/2008 20:53:33 ‹Pygon› James - I see, thank you
24/06/2008 20:54:06 ‹clight101› I though Nick wanted to sink it into the underground part of Golarion
24/06/2008 20:54:10 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> I'm pretty excited about Second Darkness and the Into the Darklands book. And AP4 is shaping up to be pretty cool too. There's one book we're getting close to anouncing for early next year that looks like it'll be SUPER AWESOME too. AND: The hardcover's pretty awesome as well... it's gonna be great to see all that info finally in print.
24/06/2008 20:54:17 ‹greengrunt› LOL.. err.. that too
24/06/2008 20:54:21 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› Kevin, they've promised to have everything revealed by Aug 1
24/06/2008 20:54:37 ‹Kevin T.› heh cutting it pretty short heh
24/06/2008 20:54:45 ‹Mr Baron› how many hardcover books do you guys have in the works right now?
24/06/2008 20:54:48 ‹greengrunt› And er.. you can't tell us about the super awesome product? :cry:
24/06/2008 20:55:02 ‹Absinth› James, who will write the Guide To Absalom?
24/06/2008 20:55:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Into the Darklands sounds really, really great to me . . .
24/06/2008 20:55:04 ‹James Jacobs› Clight> we've got lots of subscribers. At this point, we have more than our best case scenario 1 year ago. So things are doing pretty good.
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24/06/2008 20:55:10 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> not for a few more weeks.
24/06/2008 20:55:30 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› James, will the CS have credits for who wrote what?
24/06/2008 20:55:33 ‹greengrunt› DAMMIT! Ooops..sorry about that <oops>
24/06/2008 20:55:39 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› and when will we see more previews of what's in it?
24/06/2008 20:55:45 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> We're currently not working on any hardcovers.
24/06/2008 20:55:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . .might have to activate the "Cartman" plan to skip ahead to the announcement
24/06/2008 20:56:00 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Guide to Absalom is being written by Owen K.C. Stephens.
24/06/2008 20:56:07 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'm estatic that you guys have beaten your best expectations.
24/06/2008 20:56:20 ‹clight101› JJ> I'm with Ross
24/06/2008 20:56:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yay! I was reading "Advanced Game Master's Guide" by him from Green Ronin.
24/06/2008 20:56:29 ‹Urza› that's awesome... cheers for Paizo :beer:
24/06/2008 20:56:30 ‹greengrunt› Agreed Clight
24/06/2008 20:56:32 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There'll be a few more blog previews for the Campaign setting... but it's not going to list who wrote what section.
24/06/2008 20:56:42 ‹Lilith› Go Paizo! :squee:
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24/06/2008 20:57:05 ‹clight101› Paizo FTW.....sorry to WoW
24/06/2008 20:57:06 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, then how is it going to be "obvious" which section Ed Greenwood wrote? :)
24/06/2008 20:57:16 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; it's pretty cool to have not only beaten the expectations... but beating the expectations of our "best case scenario."
24/06/2008 20:57:17 ‹Eyebite› Hm,,,,, *wonders if Owen is taking Mike's spot*
24/06/2008 20:57:22 ‹greengrunt› WoW= el crappo
24/06/2008 20:57:23 ‹Russ› Just try to get big enough to buy D
24/06/2008 20:57:28 ‹Russ› To buy D&D from Hasbro :)
24/06/2008 20:57:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Lilith, I really liked the Advanced GM Guide . . . one of my favorite 3rd party products
24/06/2008 20:57:53 ‹Russ› Urza - look for a multiclasses fighter / cleric / rogue / wizard who sleeps with a lot of hot chicks
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24/06/2008 20:58:12 ‹Urza› Russ, lol
24/06/2008 20:58:12 ‹Kevin T.› Russ do they dress in all red a lot?
24/06/2008 20:58:21 ‹greengrunt› I just really hope the Pathfinder RPG gets worked over.. and does wonderful things and is extraordinarily successful
24/06/2008 20:58:23 ‹clight101› Russ > Your killing me man
24/06/2008 20:58:25 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jeremy
24/06/2008 20:58:26 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> If you've read a lot of a certain author... it should be relatively obvious. That said, we (Erik and Mike and I) did a pretty extensive development pass on the whole book too, to give it it's own unified voice so it doesn't sound like a bunch of different folk chattering about different subjects. The point of the book is to create a campaign setting, after all... not to build anyone's resume
24/06/2008 20:58:28 ‹clight101› so funny
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24/06/2008 20:58:41 ‹Justin Sluder› Aside from the Paizo products, Advanced Bestiary, Book of Templates: Deluxe Edition 3.5 and Unearthed Arcana are some of my favorite books.
24/06/2008 20:58:52 ‹Kevin T.› Of all the things Paizo is publishing, the only thing that worries me is the actual RPG rule book
24/06/2008 20:58:52 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Russ
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24/06/2008 20:59:24 ‹Russ› Mary Sue, your Ed is calling
24/06/2008 20:59:28 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, BAH... make me ask ed on candlekeep after the book comes out :)
24/06/2008 20:59:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I have the utmost confidence in the RPG book, and it needs to happen, given the "end" of 3.5 officially.
24/06/2008 20:59:52 ‹greengrunt› There were a few guys that seemed a little dissappointed with the..."Alpha" Release??
24/06/2008 20:59:58 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> Why's that/
24/06/2008 21:00:02 ‹Pygon› it has a year to be polished up, but they'll need our feedback
24/06/2008 21:00:04 ‹Mr Baron› Its great to hear that Paizo is doing extremely well! You guys earned it
24/06/2008 21:00:09 ‹Russ› And the apparent failure (see Mr. Mearls) of the OGL doubtless means the PF RPG is doomed, right? :)
24/06/2008 21:00:16 ‹Ross› I'm looking forward to a 560 page book that could be rightfully called a Tome.
24/06/2008 21:00:41 ‹Ross› And I hope that Eric's ideas of a 'deluxe' edition happen.
24/06/2008 21:00:46 ‹Mr Baron› On the subject of the PF RPG, have you guys discussed the difficulties of high-level play?
24/06/2008 21:00:49 ‹Samwise› Russ>should i ask where all the mearls' issues came from?
24/06/2008 21:00:49 ‹James Jacobs› The Pathfinder RPG has over a year of development in house. To put that in perspective... an average volume of Pathfinder has 3 to 4 weeks. We're going to have a LOT of time to make the RPG as awesome as we can.
24/06/2008 21:00:54 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, and which can be used to beat the crap out of people
24/06/2008 21:00:59 ‹Kevin T.› James> RPG rules can make or break a setting for me to a degree, when it comes to the enjoyability of playing. While I have the upmost faith in you, and know I'll probably enjoy it. There's just the aspect of "Will I like all of the changes"
24/06/2008 21:01:09 ‹clight101› I heard the Beta is 400 pgs?
24/06/2008 21:01:21 ‹Mr Baron› any consenses on ideas to improve?
24/06/2008 21:01:24 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> we have... not to any great extent yet, though.
24/06/2008 21:01:25 ‹Russ› Samwise> his big one was apparently that the better OGL changes never made it back into the core rules, which would be WotC's fault
24/06/2008 21:01:26 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› Kevin, you can always houserule stuff in or out
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24/06/2008 21:01:53 ‹Kevin T.› From the beta the biggest change that I liked, but got changed again was when the skills went to more along lines of StarWars Saga i like that idea
24/06/2008 21:02:14 ‹Kevin T.› Yoda is a :smoker:, Na we usually don't incorporate house rules to often. Especially drastic changes. We keep it pretty core to the rules.
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24/06/2008 21:02:21 ‹Urza› Kevin T., i liked that skill set too
24/06/2008 21:02:32 ‹greengrunt› Skill condensing you mean? (doesn't have SW Saga)
24/06/2008 21:02:32 ‹Daigle› wb Eyebtie
24/06/2008 21:02:41 ‹Samwise› Russ>yes, i noticed that, should it be assumed he means his iron whatever rules?
24/06/2008 21:02:42 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> Keep involved in the playtests and the messageboards is my best advice there. At least that way the parts you don't like won't be surprises. But to be honest... I want Pathfinder RPG to be the type of game that lets me build APs like Rise of the Runelords and Crimson Throne and Savage Tide and Age of Worms and Shackled City and all them.
24/06/2008 21:02:46 ‹Eyebite› Argh, thanks. laptop froze on me
24/06/2008 21:02:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm kind of glad its gone, if only because I don't want anything that looks too much like . . . anything else ending up causing any accusations of lack of originality or envy.
24/06/2008 21:02:54 ‹Hill Giant› greengrunt, no ranks, trained or untrained
24/06/2008 21:03:02 ‹James Jacobs› SO: If you liked those APs... and assuming we do our job right... you'll probably like the final RPG rules.
24/06/2008 21:03:05 ‹Urza› greengrunt, revision 1s skill system was just like star wars saga
24/06/2008 21:03:07 ‹Kevin T.› James that's excactly how I want it to be
24/06/2008 21:03:08 ‹clight101› I kinda like the skills system as they have it now. +3 if you hit a class skill no 1/2 rank cross class stuff anymore
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24/06/2008 21:03:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I was comparing Shackled City to the latest incarnations of Adventure Paths...you guys have come a long long way. Well done! :woot:
24/06/2008 21:03:34 ‹Kevin T.›
24/06/2008 21:06:08 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. That kind of thing is going to happen as long as RPGs have rules that try to simulate reality. Now and then... the story just has to step in and get things moving and the rules can shut the hell up until they're needed (aka when the PCs are back on stage).
24/06/2008 21:06:11 ‹Urza› Russ, if you want to talk about wonderful starts, lets not forget the start of Rise of the Rune Lords!
24/06/2008 21:06:17 ‹greengrunt› I had a party of like.. 4 or 5??
24/06/2008 21:06:48 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Not right now, no. My Savage Tide campaign should be starting back up this Saturday, though, now that I'm no longer chained to my desk...
24/06/2008 21:06:52 ‹Justin Sluder› AoW was a freakin' blast to run! My players like to forget important things like resting for 8-10 hours at least once every 24-48 hours.
24/06/2008 21:06:56 * Kevin T. claps to James
24/06/2008 21:07:00 ‹Eyebite› Nice!
24/06/2008 21:07:11 ‹Kevin T.› Couldn't have said it better
24/06/2008 21:07:14 ‹greengrunt› they made a grave tactical error... never cleared out the rest of Hextor's temple.. so the Hextor followers got reinforcements from the other sections of the mine
24/06/2008 21:07:16 ‹Pygon› James - how much of Paizoyour creation work follows "the game we want to play" but rubs against "what we know will sell"?
24/06/2008 21:07:24 ‹Pygon› oops I was editing, I'll retype that
24/06/2008 21:07:39 ‹Justin Sluder› and RotR is a gem! I'm having so much fun torturring my group! :headbang::plot::headbang:
24/06/2008 21:07:43 ‹Pygon› James - how much of Paizo's creation work follows "the game we want to play" but rubs against "what we know will sell"?
24/06/2008 21:08:13 ‹Mr Baron› if PF RPG can address high-level play and simplify monster & NPC creation, that would be a big win
24/06/2008 21:08:16 ‹Russ› I'd hope a lot of it is not just what they want to play. WotC made the game THEY want to play.
24/06/2008 21:08:19 ‹Urza› James was chained to his desk... some how i knew Lisa was into chains and whips!
24/06/2008 21:08:22 ‹clight101› JJ> I'm very interested to see the new format of Pathfinder with there being a second little interlude in the books to go along with the adventure. Do you hire other wirters to write those parts?
24/06/2008 21:08:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I am not fond of assymetric rules application in 4E.
24/06/2008 21:08:28 ‹Russ› I do like focusing on FUN TO READ, which is a very good thing.
24/06/2008 21:08:36 ‹greengrunt› Aye I agree with Mr. Baron
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24/06/2008 21:08:57 ‹greengrunt› But not many commented on the high level play thread on the Paizo MBs
24/06/2008 21:09:08 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: can see (although the off-stage scene is different) that some of those arguing on the assassination thread (or perhaps 'debating') had a point of sorts.
24/06/2008 21:09:15 ‹Samwise› Russ>you said better, he said . . . besides, isnt 4E supposed to be all iron whatever low magic stuff?
24/06/2008 21:09:33 ‹Mr Baron› the thing that I like with 4th ed is that it seems like high-level play would be smoother & and it seems monster creation is more straight forward
24/06/2008 21:09:38 ‹Charles Evans› Anyway, i shall try to shut up about that scene now.... :)
24/06/2008 21:09:38 ‹tensor› hi Charles. I didn't see you at first :)
24/06/2008 21:09:49 ‹Mr Baron› but the lack of fluff in the 4th ed MM is terrible
24/06/2008 21:09:50 * Timitius joins Main
24/06/2008 21:09:58 ‹Pygon› hi Tim
24/06/2008 21:09:59 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Tensor.
24/06/2008 21:10:02 ‹Daigle› Tim!!!
24/06/2008 21:10:04 ‹greengrunt› Hey Tim!
24/06/2008 21:10:05 ‹Kevin T.› Well folks I"m going to jet. Going to go watch me some Stardust. James thanks as always, and have a good one. Lilith, Daigle, Pygon talk to you folks later
24/06/2008 21:10:13 ‹Charles Evans› Aaargh... Superlag!
24/06/2008 21:10:19 ‹Timitius› Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Chatroom!
24/06/2008 21:10:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Take care Kevin
24/06/2008 21:10:21 ‹Pygon› good night Kevin
24/06/2008 21:10:21 ‹greengrunt› Stardust rocks.. Have fun Kevin
24/06/2008 21:10:22 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Kevin.
24/06/2008 21:10:30 ‹Justin Sluder› later Kevin
24/06/2008 21:10:37 ‹Ross› Mr Baron, who needs fluff? Monsters are just big sacks of XP.
24/06/2008 21:10:41 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Timi
24/06/2008 21:10:42 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› night Kevin
24/06/2008 21:10:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey Timitius
24/06/2008 21:10:45 ‹Daigle› Timituis, I saw a picture of your Hellgate character killing shit!
24/06/2008 21:10:45 ‹Ross› </sarcasm>
24/06/2008 21:10:52 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Timitius.
24/06/2008 21:10:58 ‹Russ› Tim!
24/06/2008 21:11:00 ‹clight101› Mr Baron> That's kinda my favorite part of the MM for 4E. I can use the monster however I see fit and I always did before anyway but I don't have to listen to annoyingplayers who think a monster should be a certain way or fit
24/06/2008 21:11:02 ‹Timitius› Daigle, really? Where?
24/06/2008 21:11:05 ‹Lilith› TIMMMMMMMMMMMMMEH! :glomp:
24/06/2008 21:11:08 ‹greengrunt› Literally Daigle?? As in big piles of it??
24/06/2008 21:11:10 ‹Daigle› Fatespinner's house.
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24/06/2008 21:11:19 ‹Timitius› Sweet!
24/06/2008 21:11:24 ‹Daigle› greengrunt, nah. That'd be gross.
24/06/2008 21:11:26 ‹Daigle› ;)
24/06/2008 21:11:26 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> As it turns out... the rules we want to play look like they = what we know will sell. So far, that's not been a problem at all for us.
24/06/2008 21:11:40 ‹Pygon› James - excellent, thanks. That's good to hear.
24/06/2008 21:11:43 ‹Timitius› I miss killing shit....on Hellgate, that is. Er.....yeah.
24/06/2008 21:11:50 ‹Daigle› Fatespinner's screensaver is a slideshow of video game screenshots of his favorite games.
24/06/2008 21:11:52 ‹greengrunt› Aye that is great to hear
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24/06/2008 21:12:01 ‹Ross› clight101, why bother with pictures and names then? Why not just stat blocks?
24/06/2008 21:12:01 ‹Timitius› Lilith, LILZ!! My Fellow Dictator!
24/06/2008 21:12:04 ‹Lilith› Timitius, we stand upon the precipice of St Paul's...
24/06/2008 21:12:06 ‹Daigle› Heathy!!!
24/06/2008 21:12:13 ‹Lilith› heathansson! :glomp:
24/06/2008 21:12:15 ‹Lilith› :werewolf:
24/06/2008 21:12:23 ‹greengrunt› Ello Heath
24/06/2008 21:12:25 ‹tensor› hi heathansson :) :)
24/06/2008 21:12:26 ‹Lilith› Timitius, How goes it, my fellow dictator? :headbang:
24/06/2008 21:12:31 ‹Eyebite› Hey Heath
24/06/2008 21:12:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I really liked the article on "masterwork" gear from the second to last Dragon, as well as the Master class from Dragonlance . . . is there any chance of seeing Pathfinder "beyond masterwork" items that aren't magical?
24/06/2008 21:12:40 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya heathansson
24/06/2008 21:12:42 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> While monster creation can certainly be simplified... I'm actually in the camp that it's already pretty robust and workable. There's certainly places that can be streamlined... but I'm not interested in revamping it so that all monsters, from the shrieker to Orcus, fit on a playing card.
24/06/2008 21:12:48 ‹heathansson› hellllllo chatroom!
24/06/2008 21:12:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heathy!
24/06/2008 21:12:50 ‹heathansson› testing
24/06/2008 21:12:57 ‹heathansson› Hey, do you all see my posts?
24/06/2008 21:13:02 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Heathansson:!:
24/06/2008 21:13:06 ‹Pygon› hi heath, yes I do
24/06/2008 21:13:07 ‹heathansson› oh, I see them now.
24/06/2008 21:13:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nope
24/06/2008 21:13:13 ‹Daigle› KnightErrant...the pentultimate issue? ;)
24/06/2008 21:13:33 ‹greengrunt› Nope- I am overwhelmed by the massiveness of the Paizo MBs
24/06/2008 21:13:37 ‹clight101› Ross> Because they have powers which is a nice way to say what a group or type of monsters can do with out saying there stuck in a specific place in the world
24/06/2008 21:13:37 ‹Absinth› .
24/06/2008 21:13:39 ‹Eyebite› Daigle - was that the last issue, or second to last issue...cause you know .... :)
24/06/2008 21:13:42 ‹Justin Sluder› heathansson, nope, sorry. I don't see you asking if i can see you. ;-)
24/06/2008 21:13:45 ‹heathansson› that penultimate pain in my tooooooo-kiiiiiis!
24/06/2008 21:14:01 ‹heathansson› I'll take that as a "waaaaaaaugh!"
24/06/2008 21:14:02 ‹James Jacobs› clight> Yes. Part of the draw for us in adding the shorter set piece adventures is that we get to widen our author pool. It gives us a place to test out authors and judge if they've got the chops, say, to write a longer adventure. It creates more opportunities for new writers, in other words.
24/06/2008 21:14:02 ‹Daigle› balls and bowls baby, balls and bowls.
24/06/2008 21:14:06 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs: Has Erik Mona been growing his hair long, and doing this :headbang: a lot in the past 2 weeks?
24/06/2008 21:14:08 ‹Skeld› good night everyone
24/06/2008 21:14:16 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Skeld
24/06/2008 21:14:17 ‹greengrunt› Night Skeld!
24/06/2008 21:14:21 ‹Russ› PLEASE KEEP THE MONSTERS FLEXIBLE! :)
24/06/2008 21:14:26 ‹James Jacobs› It also breaks up the 50+ page monster sized adventures, which as it turns out... is too long for a monthly schedule.
24/06/2008 21:14:27 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Skeld.
24/06/2008 21:14:27 ‹Russ› I like the complicated critters
24/06/2008 21:14:27 ‹Lilith› Night Skeld! :glomp:
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24/06/2008 21:14:37 ‹Daigle› Russ, they all can't have high Dex scores.
24/06/2008 21:14:38 ‹clight101› JJ> That's the best thing ever
24/06/2008 21:14:48 ‹Justin Sluder› later Skeld
24/06/2008 21:14:58 * Skeld quit
24/06/2008 21:15:03 ‹greengrunt› mega adventures are tough to churn out eh??
24/06/2008 21:15:05 ‹Eyebite› Yeah, I think the Set Pieces are a great idea
24/06/2008 21:15:08 * PostMonster Sleepy joins Main
24/06/2008 21:15:11 ‹Pygon› hi Dex, no problem. Greater Invis, Glitterdust. Oh, wait, you can save each round against Glitterdust now :shakefist:
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24/06/2008 21:15:12 * Charles Evans works out Daigle's pun...#
24/06/2008 21:15:16 ‹heathansson› set pieces are cool.
24/06/2008 21:15:18 ‹Lilith› Hooray for set pieces! :woot:
24/06/2008 21:15:23 ‹Lilith› Karelzarath! Woo-hoo!
24/06/2008 21:15:30 ‹Pygon› hi Karel
24/06/2008 21:15:33 ‹Yoda is a :smoker:› Hi Gary!
24/06/2008 21:15:34 ‹Daigle› I'm really looking forward to the set pieces.
24/06/2008 21:15:34 ‹greengrunt› Ello Post .. Ello Karelzarath
24/06/2008 21:15:37 ‹Lilith› PostMonster! :wow: :glomp:
24/06/2008 21:15:38 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Karel
24/06/2008 21:15:40 * Charles Evans :cthulhu::glomp:s the PostMonster General...
24/06/2008 21:15:41 ‹Daigle› I love miniadventures
24/06/2008 21:15:50 ‹Pygon› hi Gary
24/06/2008 21:15:53 ‹Daigle› Gary!!!
24/06/2008 21:15:58 ‹Justin Sluder› hello Gary
24/06/2008 21:16:00 ‹greengrunt› I prefer the APs meself
24/06/2008 21:16:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gary!
24/06/2008 21:16:12 ‹Daigle› Karelzarath!!
24/06/2008 21:16:13 ‹Karelzarath› Hello, all. :)
24/06/2008 21:16:14 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yeah... but there's a fair amount of folk on that Assassination thread that seem to be TOO wedded to the rules. The rules come second. Story comes first. No one bats an eye in a novel or a movie if someone famous or tough gets taken out by a deadly wound to the head, and if the rules can't allow for that to happen in a story... the rules are broken and need to be fixed or ignored.
24/06/2008 21:16:15 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› hey!
24/06/2008 21:16:20 ‹Daigle› At night even..
24/06/2008 21:16:25 ‹heathansson› I feel like a few of the encounters previously in the damn AP's were virtual setpieces anyhow, so I don't see the big deal.
24/06/2008 21:16:34 ‹Urza› Gary gets on the internet for something other then fixing the broken paizo website! oh my!
24/06/2008 21:16:35 ‹Eyebite› I miss the Dungeon side treks, so Set Pieces are the next best thing.
24/06/2008 21:16:39 ‹greengrunt› Agreed on that count James
24/06/2008 21:16:43 ‹clight101› JJ> Awww, but don't you guys like watching writers squirm under the pressure of trying to put out 50 pg adventures in your ridiculously small font every month. *sarcasam*
24/06/2008 21:16:47 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, hells yeah! :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
24/06/2008 21:17:03 ‹Russ› heath - like the Desna temple in AP 10
24/06/2008 21:17:03 ‹heathansson› There's an alternate rule in the DMG for two twenties in a row is a killshot, so wtf.
24/06/2008 21:17:09 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> My fear with 4th edition and high level is that they OVERsimplified. And that after playing a campaign for a year... fights will end up feeling the same. Which is sort of what happens in World of Warcraft, honestly...
24/06/2008 21:17:18 ‹heathansson› I didn't want to goet into it on that thread.
24/06/2008 21:17:20 ‹Eyebite› Gary - a belated hello!
24/06/2008 21:17:35 ‹greengrunt› WoW... :chainsaw:
24/06/2008 21:17:39 ‹Karelzarath› James Jacobs, that's my fear, as well.
24/06/2008 21:17:46 ‹Pygon› I have yet the L30 Tarrasque fight, if I could just get the PCs made... bleh
24/06/2008 21:17:53 ‹Pygon› *yet to test
24/06/2008 21:17:54 ‹Hill Giant› I starting to think fighters have even less options in 4E...
24/06/2008 21:18:00 ‹Absinth› :smoker:
24/06/2008 21:18:14 ‹Ross› Gary! How is resume-sifting going?
24/06/2008 21:18:23 * Charles Evans wonders if the PostMonster has been sent in here to make a Pathfinder announcement about the message boards, or a gamer interface (beyond the already excellent PbP section) which will blow the DDI away in a cloud of dust?
24/06/2008 21:18:26 ‹heathansson› My ultimate fear is to break one of the Senator's crystal goblets and get fed to his lampreys.
24/06/2008 21:18:26 ‹greengrunt› I got to level 70... and after a while .. I realized.. damn... I could be getting practically another Paizo with the funds from this crap
24/06/2008 21:18:29 ‹Russ› James - yeah, when I hear about the sweet spot it makes me worry about that in design as well. Playing at low level, mid, high, and ultrahigh SHOULD feel different, and it's ok if they aren't all equally fun. Cutting down a bit on the level 1 suck and the high-level drag would be good, tho
24/06/2008 21:18:35 ‹heathansson› Oh, wait; past life.
24/06/2008 21:18:36 ‹Zaister› good morning
24/06/2008 21:18:37 * Yoda is a :smoker: changes his/her nickname to Yoda
24/06/2008 21:18:48 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› ross: haven't started yet, had to rewrite our POS system for this season of conventions
24/06/2008 21:18:50 ‹Lilith› Morning Zaister! :thug:
24/06/2008 21:18:57 ‹Lilith› PostMonster Sleepy, :cry:
24/06/2008 21:18:57 ‹Russ› Hill - like not being able to disarm or sunder?
24/06/2008 21:19:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bah, heathy . . . lampreys have a numbing effect eventually
24/06/2008 21:19:04 ‹Zaister› hi Lilith :)
24/06/2008 21:19:08 ‹Urza› Hill Giant, everyone has less options in 4e except maybe the Warlock
24/06/2008 21:19:09 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There's certainly a chance of Pathfinder introducing a "beyond masterwork" type category for very well-made nonmagical items. The problem to watch out for there is that you can't make magic items mundane by stealing their thunder
24/06/2008 21:19:12 ‹Daigle› Hey Zaister!
24/06/2008 21:19:13 ‹Yoda› Wow, Gary, you really don't like that system
24/06/2008 21:19:13 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› charles: no, forgot tuesdays are special paizo chatdays....
24/06/2008 21:19:26 ‹Yoda› but if you wrote it, why call it a POS? That's a poor reflection on your abilities
24/06/2008 21:19:29 ‹Absinth› Good morning, Zaister! Have a :coffee:...
24/06/2008 21:19:30 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› yoday: POS = "point of sale"
24/06/2008 21:19:34 ‹Daigle› :lol:
24/06/2008 21:19:37 ‹Lilith› Yoda, POS = Point of Sale....
24/06/2008 21:19:39 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> Perhaps a little...
24/06/2008 21:19:40 ‹Zaister› Daigle :)
24/06/2008 21:19:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› True, but most of the items in said article did a good job of avoiding that issue.
24/06/2008 21:19:47 ‹James Jacobs› Wow. I'm way behind.
24/06/2008 21:19:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› I know, you can't use it word for word, just an example.
24/06/2008 21:20:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, LOL!
24/06/2008 21:20:02 ‹Karelzarath› Random lag bursts.
24/06/2008 21:20:03 * Yoda used to work retail, but thought he could be funny
24/06/2008 21:20:10 * Pygon saves his next question
24/06/2008 21:20:17 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Monsters will remain flexible. That's a strength of 3rd edition, not a flaw.
24/06/2008 21:20:32 ‹greengrunt› You got alot on your plate James.. no worries.. Work your mojo-it'll all work out :razz:
24/06/2008 21:20:38 ‹Russ› Poor James. Drowning in our questions.
24/06/2008 21:20:48 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› forgot today was real paizo chat thingie... will bow out so james can answer important questions not related to silly website
24/06/2008 21:21:00 ‹Lilith› PostMonster Sleepy, nooooo! Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
24/06/2008 21:21:01 ‹Pygon› Gary - cat good?
24/06/2008 21:21:04 ‹Daigle› Nah, hang out Gary
24/06/2008 21:21:04 ‹Hill Giant› There something to be said for not having to completely change a monsters stats in order to change its role
24/06/2008 21:21:05 ‹Yoda› Pygon, did you save your question within 3 attempts? If not, you auto-die
24/06/2008 21:21:09 * Lilith tries to bribe with cookies! :cookie::cookie:
24/06/2008 21:21:16 ‹Charles Evans› Ohhh.... :( Goodnight then, PostMonster.
24/06/2008 21:21:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its not a silly website! I especially like that one advice column on it . . .
24/06/2008 21:21:24 ‹Pygon› Yoda - it's ok, I take a 5 minute rest between attempts
24/06/2008 21:21:25 ‹Russ› Things I want out of the Golarion campaign setting HC: at least one group of barbarians that is not obsessed with honor
24/06/2008 21:21:30 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Yeah... the thing with an adventrue is that you can't really split it up. One person (me, generally) has to do the entire development cycle on it, and at 50 pages once per month... that's just more work than I can really healthfully handle when you add in all the rest of my job.
24/06/2008 21:21:32 ‹Daigle› :lol: Knight
24/06/2008 21:21:34 ‹greengrunt› LOL
24/06/2008 21:22:09 ‹clight101› sounds like JJ needs an assistant
24/06/2008 21:22:16 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› pygon: ultrasound today showed nothing worth poking a needle for a biopsy for... so good news :)
24/06/2008 21:22:22 ‹greengrunt› Aye... so the format is going to change then... Hmmm
24/06/2008 21:22:24 ‹Pygon› good to hear!
24/06/2008 21:22:29 ‹Daigle› Awesome!
24/06/2008 21:22:32 ‹Mr Baron› James, I would say this. At high-level, combat should feel epic, but not feel like a record keeping nightmare that only an accountant would enjoy
24/06/2008 21:22:38 * Yoda volunteers to assist by getting :coffee: and not mushrooms
24/06/2008 21:22:40 ‹James Jacobs› The main problem with set pieces is the same problem we had with Side Treks. Convincing authors to write them without blowing their word count by 100% or more.
24/06/2008 21:22:51 ‹Lilith› PostMonster Sleepy, good to hear about Spooky! :woot:
24/06/2008 21:22:53 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, Wow. Are you guys finally checking your sanity, and....(pause)......(pause)....slowing down to a reasonable production schedule???
24/06/2008 21:23:02 ‹greengrunt› Word count... Ouch
24/06/2008 21:23:17 ‹Charles Evans› :wow: Cats get ultrasound in America....
24/06/2008 21:23:25 ‹clight101› gotta write tight.
24/06/2008 21:23:35 ‹Daigle› In Russia ultrasound gets cats!
24/06/2008 21:23:38 ‹Yoda› Charles, if you pay for it they do
24/06/2008 21:23:50 ‹kvantum› Charles>don't look up the San Franscisco animal shelter
24/06/2008 21:23:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Honestly, as far as "high level" goes, I wouldn't have minded a few BONS type abilities as feats, but not as the basis for a whole class. Making a few "whammo" standard action abilities helps to streamline all of the extra attacks.
24/06/2008 21:23:56 ‹greengrunt› writing tight is a challenge.. LOL @Daigle
24/06/2008 21:23:59 ‹Yoda› we have no reasonable health care for people here, but we sure take care of our pets
24/06/2008 21:24:03 ‹Justin Sluder› PostMonster Sleepy, glad to hear Spooky is doing well.
24/06/2008 21:24:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› My sister had a cat named Spooky as well . . .
24/06/2008 21:24:22 ‹Russ› Postmonster> best of luck, then. I mentioned that one night that I had a cat survive a pretty bad illness, it does happen (they told me to have him put down, but my wife was in the hospital and I said I couldn't do that without talking to her first)
24/06/2008 21:24:25 ‹James Jacobs› Hi Gary! Bye Gary!
24/06/2008 21:24:28 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› hey, spending your savings on something you love can be considered worth it
24/06/2008 21:24:39 ‹Zaister› James Jacobs, can you say if the beta hat feats for monsters still at one per three racial hit dice, as opposed to one per two character levels for characters? It's imporant for me to konow for the implementation in PCGen
24/06/2008 21:24:51 ‹Russ› My kitty cost 3 grand to fix, silly thing
24/06/2008 21:24:54 ‹PostMonster Sleepy› bye james :) good luck with the real questions ;)
24/06/2008 21:24:57 ‹Ross› PostMonster Sleepy, my best wishes to Spooky. I hope my Hobbes does as well when he's 16.
24/06/2008 21:25:03 ‹heathansson› Actually, the veterinary care in the U.S. has had a direct positive impact on treatment in humans.
24/06/2008 21:25:05 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> You already have barbarians that aren't honor obsessed. Our iconic barbarian Amiri certainly isn't.
24/06/2008 21:25:19 ‹Hill Giant› My flatmate's cat is on antidepressants
24/06/2008 21:25:32 ‹Daigle› My cat has thumbs.
24/06/2008 21:25:38 ‹Eyebite› Amiri is size obsessed :) I think her backstory is my favorite among the iconics
24/06/2008 21:25:43 ‹clight101› Hill giant> That may be the funniest thing I've ever heard
24/06/2008 21:25:47 ‹Russ› I meant social groups of barbs.
24/06/2008 21:25:49 ‹greengrunt› Methinks Russ wants an entire barbarian horde not obssessed with honor James :D
24/06/2008 21:25:50 ‹Ross› Daigle, Hemingway?
24/06/2008 21:25:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wow, I read heathy and James posts at the same time and came up with veterinary care that wasn't obsessed with honor . . .
24/06/2008 21:26:01 ‹Russ› The honorable savage cliche is TIRED.
24/06/2008 21:26:02 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> Yeah... mostly. We're back to a mostly reasonable production schedule... one that allows for days off or (like today and I hope not tomorrow) sick days...
24/06/2008 21:26:04 * PostMonster Sleepy quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:26:05 ‹Daigle› Yep, polydactyl
24/06/2008 21:26:13 * Charles Evans hopes James Jacobs gets some time now to play The Arkham Horror with the new Kingsport expansion!
24/06/2008 21:26:14 ‹Ross› Daigle, and if so, is he dumb?
24/06/2008 21:26:27 ‹Ross› They have a reputation.
24/06/2008 21:26:31 ‹Russ› I'd be thrilled if her mammoth lord brethren are nasty :)
24/06/2008 21:26:33 ‹Mr Baron› my concern on high-level is two fold....1) They need to be fun to run not book keeping 2) Easy/straight forward to stat up the bad guys
24/06/2008 21:26:34 ‹Daigle› Nah, he's bright. Too bright.
24/06/2008 21:26:58 ‹Karelzarath› I am looking for the six-fingered cat. He scratched my father...
24/06/2008 21:27:07 ‹Eyebite› prepare to die
24/06/2008 21:27:14 ‹Mr Baron› knowing that they will only potentially last 1 combat encounter
24/06/2008 21:27:15 ‹greengrunt› LOL
24/06/2008 21:27:15 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle, thumbs and smart? better hope it doesn't figure out how to use a doorknob
24/06/2008 21:27:17 ‹Russ› Well, high level almost has to involve more bookeeping than low or mid
24/06/2008 21:27:18 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> There are no monsters in the Beta yet. But in the end, I suspect we'll consolidate that so that monsters DO get the same amount of feats as PCs.
24/06/2008 21:27:19 ‹Daigle› Ross, most of the ones like that are inbred and are found in large communities of polydactlys, like Hemmingway's place in the Keys and concentrations in the Boston area.
24/06/2008 21:27:29 ‹Daigle› HG he opens windows
24/06/2008 21:27:29 ‹greengrunt› Princess Bride! WOOT!
24/06/2008 21:27:34 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: I thought Amiri's biography on the blog indicated that they could be pretty unkind, although possibly you're thinking nastier than that.
24/06/2008 21:27:39 ‹Russ› I had a cat with thumbs.
24/06/2008 21:27:57 ‹kvantum› James>that's a fairly big upgrade... especially for Epic monsters
24/06/2008 21:27:58 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Many of the Shoanti tribes aren't honor obsessed. Unless you mix up "honor" with "ancestor worship" I guess...
24/06/2008 21:28:07 ‹Karelzarath› I had a cat that could open doors unless they were locked. Certainly made life interesting.
24/06/2008 21:28:13 ‹Timitius› greengrunt, Princess Bride?? Inconceivable!
24/06/2008 21:28:18 ‹clight101› Mr. Baron> I hate to say it but it's just about impossible to stat up a high level NPC wizard or any caster for that matter using any system related to 3.5. It's flexibility is what makes it kink and cumbersome
24/06/2008 21:28:29 * Ross quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:28:32 ‹Zaister› James Jacobs, ok, so there' s been no decision yet mad in this?
24/06/2008 21:28:32 ‹clight101› kink =king
24/06/2008 21:28:34 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Tim
24/06/2008 21:28:39 ‹Karelzarath› Mmm... 3.5 kink...
24/06/2008 21:28:41 ‹Russ› CE - we'll see, we already had the Shoanti get next-gen klingoned on us in PF #10, so I want to see if the Kellid survive additional detail
24/06/2008 21:28:43 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The mammoth lord barbarians being mysogynistic isn't nasty enough for you?
24/06/2008 21:29:06 * Ross joins Main
24/06/2008 21:29:40 ‹Timitius› clight101, It could be a kinky system.....dungeons, and....stuff. :whipit:
24/06/2008 21:29:47 ‹clight101› lol
24/06/2008 21:29:50 ‹clight101› very nice
24/06/2008 21:29:52 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Still no Pathfinder #10 here in the Uk.... I seem to have fallen an issue behind again....
24/06/2008 21:30:04 ‹Russ› I'm also hoping the Shoanti art orders start reflecting the whole shaved head thing better :)
24/06/2008 21:30:07 ‹Zaister› It's not here yet either
24/06/2008 21:30:20 ‹kvantum› Charles - not like many of us here in the US have it
24/06/2008 21:30:23 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> I don't know that Jason's thought too much yet about monsters... but maybe he has. I haven't read the entire Beta, after all... I've spent the last several weeks/months obsessing over the OTHER 400+ pages we put out to print.
24/06/2008 21:30:23 * Karelzarath caresses his PF 10.
24/06/2008 21:30:26 ‹Pygon› same.
24/06/2008 21:30:37 ‹Ross› Karelzarath, Daigle, my friend's cat has been known to teleport through doors on occasion
24/06/2008 21:30:40 ‹Zaister› James Jacobs, hehe I see :)
24/06/2008 21:30:48 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:31:00 ‹Daigle› Is your friend Heinlen?
24/06/2008 21:31:02 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> the trick there is that we'll not be ordering much Shoanti art from here on out.
24/06/2008 21:31:04 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, :lol:
24/06/2008 21:31:12 ‹James Jacobs› CAUGHT UP!
24/06/2008 21:31:25 * Charles Evans detects JAmes Jacobs catching up.....
24/06/2008 21:31:31 ‹Karelzarath› Schroedinger. The cat may or may not still be in the bathroom. ;)
24/06/2008 21:31:34 ‹Charles Evans› :!:
24/06/2008 21:31:34 ‹Yoda› So James, when's te new employee announcement come out? iwant to know when Sean starts
24/06/2008 21:31:52 ‹Timitius› I can't wait to see the Campaign Setting....so much awesome between the covers.
24/06/2008 21:31:57 ‹Absinth› Well done, James... So, what about possible scourcebooks on the planets? May this be an option in the future?
24/06/2008 21:31:57 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Our new employee anouncement is Lisa's to make.
24/06/2008 21:31:59 ‹clight101› Monsters in 3.5 just don't match up well with PF PC's especially if you use alternate HP rules. The PC's wrecked a Otyug in edge of anarchy at 1st level
24/06/2008 21:32:05 ‹Russ› Aw. I'm a big fan of adventures in savage lands :)
24/06/2008 21:32:14 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: Couldn't you have allowed him a half minute to savour before piling out the questions? :)
24/06/2008 21:32:15 ‹greengrunt› wait.. the mysogynistic thingie.. does that mean that the barbarians have to go on "women runs" to keep the tribe population up??
24/06/2008 21:32:40 ‹Ross› Daigle, no. And of course, the cat can't really teleport, that would be impossible. But she has gotten out of closed rooms without anyone hearing a door open and reclose, so we joke that she teleports.
24/06/2008 21:32:41 ‹Urza› greengrunt, it means they hate women
24/06/2008 21:32:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, do you forsee Paizo's staff needing to grow by leaps and bounds in the future?
24/06/2008 21:32:50 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> We'll have an 8 page or so gazetter of the solar system in Pathfinder 14, along with 4 or so aliens in the bestiary. Beyond that... we'll wait and see what comes next.
24/06/2008 21:32:51 ‹Russ› Not that there's room for it, but I would have liked to see a nastier foil to go along with Mr. Eats-What-He-Kills, someone who'd seek to do the party in throughout the path.
24/06/2008 21:33:06 ‹greengrunt› ok.. so um.. how do they .. keep their numbers up if they hate women?
24/06/2008 21:33:07 * Karelzarath nods sagely at Lilith's question.
24/06/2008 21:33:25 ‹James Jacobs› clight> Well... otyughs are actually kind of wimpy as it is. I suspect a 3.5 party can wreck one. The're pretty weak.
24/06/2008 21:33:59 ‹Absinth› James, will we see a spaceship in SD?
24/06/2008 21:33:59 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> I wouldn't put it past the Mammoth lords to do things like that.
24/06/2008 21:34:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› The fact that they eat poo tends to give them a bigger rep than they earn . . .
24/06/2008 21:34:12 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Building on Lilith's question, do you foresee Paizo's server capacity needing to grow by leaps & bounds, either?
24/06/2008 21:34:13 ‹Russ› They don;t really hate women, they just oppress them :)
24/06/2008 21:34:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Otyughs, not Mammoth lords . . .
24/06/2008 21:34:29 ‹Samwise› Russ>there is a new Greyhawk Grumbler available ;)
24/06/2008 21:34:33 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, the two are united, really...:P
24/06/2008 21:34:39 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, otyugh will forever sound like Jason saying, "I wanna eat you!"
24/06/2008 21:34:39 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Right now? Not by leaps and bounds... but maybe. I'll have a better idea after Gen Con.
24/06/2008 21:34:48 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yay! :)
24/06/2008 21:34:47 ‹Russ› At CR 4, they are within a level 1 party's range.
24/06/2008 21:35:05 ‹Russ› I thought the extra hp rule was still optional, try it if you like it in PF RPG?
24/06/2008 21:35:06 ‹greengrunt› they would have to go on runs to just get women for breeding purposes only for the most part... then discard them once they give birth,, or once infants get beyond breastfeeding stage.. nasty
24/06/2008 21:35:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just don't get "too" big . . .
24/06/2008 21:35:10 ‹Karelzarath› Lilith's angling for a job, isn't she? ;)
24/06/2008 21:35:13 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Nope; no spaceships in Second Darkness.
24/06/2008 21:35:33 ‹Russ› Samwise - I don't really care about LG anymore, the campaign is dying with a whimper
24/06/2008 21:35:37 ‹Lilith› Karelzarath, duh! :D
24/06/2008 21:35:42 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I don't know anything about our servers. They're magic boxes that live in the closet. That's all I know.
24/06/2008 21:35:45 ‹heathansson› Space...the Second Darkness.
24/06/2008 21:35:46 ‹Justin Sluder› Karelzarath, would Lilith working for Paizo be a bad thing?
24/06/2008 21:35:47 ‹Russ› And I HATE anachronistic fantasy gossip rags.
24/06/2008 21:35:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› :gninja:
24/06/2008 21:35:55 ‹Ross› greengrunt, Stepford wives. They don't kill them or throw them out, they just don't treat them like people.
24/06/2008 21:36:00 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, ah, you found the new emoticon....:P
24/06/2008 21:36:11 ‹Samwise› Russ>perhaps, but the final arc that eric menge and i oversaw are definitely not going gentle
24/06/2008 21:36:10 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Otyughs are labeled CR 4, sure... but their stats don't support that. They're closer to CR 3 or maybe even 2.
24/06/2008 21:36:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Couldn't help myself . . .
24/06/2008 21:36:27 ‹Samwise› Russ>you should check them last parts out
24/06/2008 21:36:27 * ollibolli joins Main
24/06/2008 21:36:42 ‹Pygon› hi olli
24/06/2008 21:36:44 ‹Daigle› Howdy ollibolli!
24/06/2008 21:36:46 ‹Russ› Nah, improved grab + constrict gets them right out of CR 2, they'd mop up an ogre
24/06/2008 21:36:48 ‹clight101› JJ> I always though they were kinda weak
24/06/2008 21:36:50 ‹greengrunt› would there be like.. roving bands of like.. guerrilla women fighters that are fighting against the tyranny of the Mammoth Lords??
24/06/2008 21:36:55 ‹Charles Evans› Good morning Ollibolli.
24/06/2008 21:37:09 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, Amazons? :P
24/06/2008 21:37:10 ‹James Jacobs› Improved grab + strength 10 is kinda pansy.
24/06/2008 21:37:11 ‹greengrunt› Hey Olli
24/06/2008 21:37:15 ‹ollibolli› good morning
24/06/2008 21:37:25 ‹Lilith› Morning Olli! :D
24/06/2008 21:37:32 ‹clight101› JJ> My thoughts exactly. If it was like Str 18-20 you might have something
24/06/2008 21:37:34 ‹Karelzarath› Morning, olli!
24/06/2008 21:37:44 ‹Charles Evans› If you want a *real* low level challenge you try 'deathbugs' (Rhagodessas).
24/06/2008 21:37:45 ‹Russ› I'd buy CR 3, but not 2
24/06/2008 21:37:49 ‹Justin Sluder› I don't think I've EVER used an otyugh for anything
24/06/2008 21:37:59 ‹greengrunt› Aye Lillith something similar to that
24/06/2008 21:38:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of :gninja:, I'm going to have to bail . . .
24/06/2008 21:38:11 ‹Daigle› greengrunt, I like that! An underground network of mothers and midwives that spirits away the baby girls that are born before they can be killed.
24/06/2008 21:38:15 ‹ollibolli› hello Lilith, adam, Pygon, Charles, Greengrunt, Karel
24/06/2008 21:38:16 ‹Justin Sluder› KnightErrantJR, take care
24/06/2008 21:38:21 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. CR 3 sounds about right. CR 4 is not. The point is... using the unconverted otyugh as evidence that PFRPG PCs are way overpowered is cheating. :)
24/06/2008 21:38:22 ‹Russ› I liked 1E otys better, tho
24/06/2008 21:38:25 * Charles Evans fondly recalls reading some of the obituaries for Savage Tide.....
24/06/2008 21:38:25 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Knight Errant
24/06/2008 21:38:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Later all, thanks James . . .
24/06/2008 21:38:33 ‹Russ› They should get Str 14 in the Paizo redo :)
24/06/2008 21:38:34 ‹Justin Sluder› oh, missed you're entrance olli. welcome. how are you?
24/06/2008 21:38:38 ‹clight101› I love Otyugh's. I use to use them as sewer cleaners in my homebrew cities then Korvosa was using them and I was like cool.
24/06/2008 21:38:40 ‹Eyebite› Night KEJR
24/06/2008 21:38:41 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, night! :thug:
24/06/2008 21:38:42 ‹Pygon› I put one at the bottom of an ogre poo-atorium. Then again, it probably wasn't realistic that the ogres even used it.
24/06/2008 21:38:44 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight KnightErantJR.
24/06/2008 21:38:45 ‹Russ› I agree with that, they are a pretty weak CR 4!
24/06/2008 21:38:53 ‹clight101› night knight
24/06/2008 21:38:53 ‹greengrunt› Night Knight
24/06/2008 21:38:59 ‹ollibolli› a tad tired fro sleeping, but otherwise really well
24/06/2008 21:39:11 ‹ollibolli› gn8 n8jr
24/06/2008 21:39:25 ‹heathansson› Have one where the mammoth lord midwife puts the baby girls on the river in a reed basket like Moses.
24/06/2008 21:39:25 ‹Russ› And I think I sold ogres a bit short - I forgot the CR 2 ogre was 3.0
24/06/2008 21:39:34 ‹greengrunt› I'm turning into a night owl :shock:
24/06/2008 21:39:35 * Zaister_ joins Main
24/06/2008 21:39:40 ‹Justin Sluder› ollibolli, sleeping is overrated.
24/06/2008 21:39:41 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:39:47 * Zaister quit
24/06/2008 21:39:52 ‹heathansson› And the elves in the forest raise them or something.
24/06/2008 21:39:55 * kvantum quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:39:56 ‹greengrunt› Interesting parallel Heath
24/06/2008 21:39:58 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli...
24/06/2008 21:40:04 ‹clight101› I actually need to get going too. Night folks
24/06/2008 21:40:06 ‹Eyebite› I must take my leave too. Night all!
24/06/2008 21:40:10 ‹Samwise› elves?
24/06/2008 21:40:12 ‹ollibolli› hallo Andre
24/06/2008 21:40:13 ‹Justin Sluder› clight101, take care
24/06/2008 21:40:14 ‹Pygon› good night
24/06/2008 21:40:16 ‹Absinth› Night Eyebite
24/06/2008 21:40:16 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Do you have any Questions FOR US?
24/06/2008 21:40:17 ‹greengrunt› Mammoth lords are NE on the map in the Gaz right??
24/06/2008 21:40:21 ‹Daigle› Saved from infanticide is a popular story throughout history.
24/06/2008 21:40:26 ‹Justin Sluder› Eyebite, later
24/06/2008 21:40:26 ‹ollibolli› gn8 clight101
24/06/2008 21:40:34 ‹greengrunt› Later Eye
24/06/2008 21:40:35 ‹Daigle› Take care Eyebite!
24/06/2008 21:40:35 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight clight101
24/06/2008 21:40:41 ‹greengrunt› gn clight
24/06/2008 21:40:42 ‹Karelzarath› As is the "farm boy with a heroic destiny"
24/06/2008 21:40:43 ‹ollibolli› gn eyebite
24/06/2008 21:40:45 ‹Absinth› Night, clight...
24/06/2008 21:40:45 ‹heathansson› IDK; the elves were just an example.
24/06/2008 21:40:48 ‹Mr Baron› nite CL101
24/06/2008 21:40:49 ‹Daigle› Your OD stuff is looking hot!
24/06/2008 21:40:53 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. No questions right now.
24/06/2008 21:41:04 ‹Daigle› Karelzarath, i'm such a sucker for those stories.
24/06/2008 21:41:13 * clight101 quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:41:18 ‹Pygon› James - still playing Age of Conan? How does it compare to WoW enjoyment-wise?
24/06/2008 21:41:19 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Mammoth Lords are pretty much direct north, at the 12:00 position more or less.
24/06/2008 21:41:24 ‹Ross› Alright. You guys are great, but it's late here on the East coast. Night.
24/06/2008 21:41:27 ‹Mr Baron› last question from me, will we really see 2 PF's shipping out in July?
24/06/2008 21:41:31 ‹greengrunt› NNNOOOO more Rand Al'Thors please... No more tugging of braids! No more stout Two Rivers wool.. Please!
24/06/2008 21:41:32 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Ross
24/06/2008 21:41:37 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:41:37 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Ross.
24/06/2008 21:41:40 ‹Pygon› gnite Ross
24/06/2008 21:41:43 ‹Justin Sluder› Ross, later
24/06/2008 21:41:45 ‹greengrunt› night Ross
24/06/2008 21:41:55 ‹tensor› watermellons or grapes?
24/06/2008 21:41:56 ‹Russ› Farm boy with destiny is something I hope we still support in PF, but it looks like a sure thing
24/06/2008 21:41:58 ‹Yoda› greengrunt, no dissing WoT please
24/06/2008 21:41:59 ‹ollibolli› gn8 ross
24/06/2008 21:42:01 * Ross quit
24/06/2008 21:42:04 ‹Daigle› greengrunt, you forgot smoothing of skirts.
24/06/2008 21:42:06 ‹Daigle› ;)
24/06/2008 21:42:08 ‹Pete› James: Compliments on your reply to Kruelaid today.
24/06/2008 21:42:13 ‹Russ› If we can't make fun of crappy fantasy, what can we make fun of? :)
24/06/2008 21:42:14 ‹greengrunt› Sorry Yoda... me no likie WOR
24/06/2008 21:42:26 ‹Pygon› Baron - 2 in August now ;) http://paizo.com/paizo/about/schedule
24/06/2008 21:42:27 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yup; still playing Age of Conan. It's fun. WOW is MORE fun... but only when it's not at the tail end of its expanson cycle; right now, since my WoW character is pretty much maxed out as far as she can get without me going berserk on raiding (whcih I don't have time for, alas)... AoC is more fun.
24/06/2008 21:42:28 ‹greengrunt› er.. WOT.. well after Path of Dagges
24/06/2008 21:42:41 ‹Charles Evans› Wasn't David Edding's Belgariad 'farmboy with a destiny'?
24/06/2008 21:42:42 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect soon as the next expansion comes out for WoW, though, AoC might get shelved.
24/06/2008 21:42:45 ‹greengrunt› er..Daggers... after that .. it got annoying
24/06/2008 21:42:53 ‹Pygon› James - cool
24/06/2008 21:42:55 ‹James Jacobs› AoC is also a lot bugger and not as gracefully coded, really.
24/06/2008 21:43:08 ‹Daigle› "Lak dagges?"
24/06/2008 21:43:14 ‹James Jacobs› It was developed for Vista, and playing it on XP is a little cludgy at times.
24/06/2008 21:43:22 ‹tensor› gives you something to look forward too.
24/06/2008 21:43:29 ‹Karelzarath› James Jacobs: Which befits the subject matter, really. Rough and unrefined is perfect. ;)
24/06/2008 21:43:31 ‹Timitius› Ahem...just so peoples know and can plan accordingly...Norwescon's Guest of Honor in 2009 is R.A. Salvatore.
24/06/2008 21:43:39 ‹greengrunt› WOW is the same crap, not to mention that there are way too many joiks playing the game
24/06/2008 21:43:45 ‹heathansson› David used to have to fight off wild predators with a sling, so Goliath was no sweat to him. "Farm boy with destiny."
24/06/2008 21:43:46 ‹Pete› TIM! Woot!
24/06/2008 21:43:52 ‹tensor› goodnight
24/06/2008 21:43:58 ‹heathansson› He knows something the 'slickers aren't hip to.
24/06/2008 21:43:58 ‹Yoda› tensor, I'm working on a Star Trek based game now and thought of you
24/06/2008 21:44:01 ‹Karelzarath› G'night, tensor
24/06/2008 21:44:02 ‹Lilith› Timitius, hooray! :woot:
24/06/2008 21:44:02 ‹Pygon› bye tensor
24/06/2008 21:44:05 ‹Timitius› Guest Publisher is WotC.
24/06/2008 21:44:15 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Thanks. I get fed up fast when folk act all odius on the boards and then in the same post display an inability to realize WHY they're regarded as odius.
24/06/2008 21:44:21 * Karelzarath crosses Norwestcon off his "must attend" list.
24/06/2008 21:44:24 ‹Justin Sluder› later tensor
24/06/2008 21:44:29 ‹Charles Evans› Heathansson: I'm not sure that a shepherd in ancient palestine would be quite an easy 'farmboy' career path.
24/06/2008 21:44:33 ‹Charles Evans› :-?
24/06/2008 21:44:37 ‹ollibolli› Even tad Williams Memory, Sorrow and Thorn + Feist Riftwar began with a boy with destiny approach, but not with a mentor guiding them through everything
24/06/2008 21:44:45 ‹ollibolli› gn8 tensor
24/06/2008 21:44:46 ‹greengrunt› I can imagine WOW to be fun with the right guild... WOW for me was fun when you play as a team.. but alot o people weren't into that on my server
24/06/2008 21:44:51 ‹Timitius› I am heading up the Gaming track for programming....so it won't suck this year.
24/06/2008 21:44:53 * tensor quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:44:54 ‹heathansson› farmboy.
24/06/2008 21:45:04 ‹Karelzarath› James Jacobs: Were I a king, I would bestow all my tediousness upon thee. :D
24/06/2008 21:45:05 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, any game is like that...more fun in a group of people you can get along with. :)
24/06/2008 21:45:14 ‹greengrunt› Aye Lillith
24/06/2008 21:45:21 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> WoW for me has been fun enough to pretty much keep me interested from launch day several years ago... and before that I HATED MMORPGs.
24/06/2008 21:45:38 ‹greengrunt› You guys need to check Steven Erikson's books
24/06/2008 21:45:42 ‹James Jacobs› But it's like any social activity... it's only as fun as the people you play it with.
24/06/2008 21:45:49 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, agreed.
24/06/2008 21:45:55 ‹Pete› Tim: Gamin Track with PF right?
24/06/2008 21:45:56 ‹Mr Baron› right
24/06/2008 21:45:58 ‹greengrunt› Tales of the Malazan: Book of the Fallen
24/06/2008 21:46:07 ‹Mr Baron› ok...I am hitting the rack. nite all!
24/06/2008 21:46:14 ‹Lilith› Night Mr Baron.
24/06/2008 21:46:17 ‹ollibolli› i have the first four standing on my shelf, but it will take some time to reach them, I have an extensive reading list
24/06/2008 21:46:18 ‹Daigle› You sleep on a rack!?
24/06/2008 21:46:19 ‹Karelzarath› Hellgate is infinitely better with the right group.
24/06/2008 21:46:19 ‹greengrunt› start with Gardens of teh Moon.. night Baron
24/06/2008 21:46:21 ‹Daigle› Brutal
24/06/2008 21:46:22 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, yep. that's why I've gone back to FFXI some many times. I know people there.
24/06/2008 21:46:29 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Baron!
21:46:33 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: maybe he wants to be taller?
24/06/2008 21:46:35 ‹Justin Sluder› Mr Baron, take care
24/06/2008 21:46:40 ‹Daigle› Good point
24/06/2008 21:46:50 ‹ollibolli› gn8 mr baron
24/06/2008 21:46:51 ‹Daigle› Or his lady is kinky!
24/06/2008 21:46:58 ‹Lilith› Daigle, :whip:
24/06/2008 21:47:05 ‹Zaister_› We converted most of my 12th level AoW group the Pathfinder RPG yesterday :)
24/06/2008 21:47:05 ‹Timitius› Pete, the gaming programming is separate from the Gaming Room. I am in charge of getting the Pros that will speak on the various gaming panels throughout the weekend.
24/06/2008 21:47:13 ‹Karelzarath› Like Lilith, apparently. :D
24/06/2008 21:47:22 ‹Daigle› :lol:
24/06/2008 21:47:22 ‹greengrunt› You all realize that.. George RR Martin is going to die just like RJ did before completing his series don't you?
24/06/2008 21:47:31 ‹Timitius› Karelzarath, Lilith, I miss playing with you guys....
24/06/2008 21:47:36 ‹Zaister_› don't say that!
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24/06/2008 21:47:46 ‹Yoda› greengrunt, this is not funny
24/06/2008 21:47:52 ‹ollibolli› ???
24/06/2008 21:47:53 ‹Pete› Greengrunt: That's really bad juju.
24/06/2008 21:47:54 * Zaister_ changes his/her nickname to Zaister
24/06/2008 21:47:55 ‹Lilith› Timitius, we stand upon the brink of the final Hellgate...:knight:
24/06/2008 21:47:56 ‹Absinth› Greengrunt, that's one of my greatest fear though...
24/06/2008 21:47:56 ‹Daigle› That's the ultimate writer joke. Getting folks hooked and then going and dying before they are done.
24/06/2008 21:48:09 ‹Karelzarath› Tim: Well, you've got 23 hours to make it to the end of the game. :D
24/06/2008 21:48:13 ‹Pygon› rudeness, I tell you.
24/06/2008 21:48:16 ‹Absinth› Yeah, like James Herbert did...
24/06/2008 21:48:24 * Lilith shares Captramses' homemade white chocolate cheesecake with the room.
24/06/2008 21:48:29 ‹greengrunt› Well.. he keeps going on all these damn tours.. and not making any progress on the books.. I am a little peeved
24/06/2008 21:48:36 ‹Yoda› Absinth, Frank Herbert?
24/06/2008 21:48:39 ‹Timitius› Karelzarath, HA! I am SOOOOOOO far behind you guys now....
24/06/2008 21:48:53 ‹Pete› I've met GRR at a bunch of Archon's, he's a good guy. no bad juju for him.
24/06/2008 21:49:03 ‹Karelzarath› Tim: We're level 33 and one step away from finishing the game. :)
24/06/2008 21:49:09 ‹Absinth› Yoda, the guy that wrote Dune
24/06/2008 21:49:11 ‹Pete› Got all my wild card originals signed
24/06/2008 21:49:18 ‹Yoda› yeah, Frank
24/06/2008 21:49:26 ‹Timitius› Lilith, when/if you visit, I'll need to make my amaretto cheesecake for you both, then.
24/06/2008 21:49:35 ‹greengrunt› I'm not wishing him bad juju.. he just looks like he gains more weight the older he gets.. and you know that is not good for his health
24/06/2008 21:49:44 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any word on erik finishing your Age of Worms campaign?
24/06/2008 21:49:45 ‹Lilith› Timitius, you're on! :D
24/06/2008 21:49:51 ‹Karelzarath› Tim: PaizoCon 2009? :)
24/06/2008 21:49:54 ‹Absinth› My thoughts exactly, greengrunt.
24/06/2008 21:49:56 ‹Timitius› Karelzarath, (sigh). Still back at Level 23.
24/06/2008 21:50:19 ‹Pete› Lilith: My daughter is moving to somewhere called "Springfield". Is that near you?
24/06/2008 21:50:24 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. I suspect it's either on permanet hiatus, or we'll start up again after Gen Con.
24/06/2008 21:50:36 ‹Lilith› Pete, no, that's in the valley. That's closer to Russ.
24/06/2008 21:50:48 ‹Absinth› Zaister, how went your conversion? Did you convert them from lvl 12 3.5 to level 12 PF?
24/06/2008 21:50:53 ‹Zaister› I've got two charcters left to convert, the cleric/binder/apostle of the green Lady, and his soulfknife cohort
24/06/2008 21:50:58 ‹Zaister› absinth, yes
24/06/2008 21:51:00 ‹Samwise› no doomsaying on GRRM
24/06/2008 21:51:01 ‹Timitius› Karelzarath, are you asking if I'll make my amaretto cheesecake for Paizocon II?
24/06/2008 21:51:04 ‹Lilith› Hooray for soulknives! :D
24/06/2008 21:51:05 ‹Samwise› he must finish his books
24/06/2008 21:51:07 ‹Samwise› or else!
24/06/2008 21:51:17 ‹greengrunt› Sorry Samwise.. I don't see it happening
24/06/2008 21:51:18 ‹Hill Giant› Pete, Springfield, Oregon? That's where Matt Greoning is from.
24/06/2008 21:51:24 ‹Karelzarath› Well, I'm primarily asking if there will BE a PaizoCon II. :)
24/06/2008 21:51:26 ‹greengrunt› But we'll wait and see
24/06/2008 21:51:32 ‹Zaister› We've been using Dremscarred soulknife rules
24/06/2008 21:51:35 ‹Russ› greeengrunt - bloody Martin wrote TWO books in other series while stalling, too
24/06/2008 21:51:36 ‹Pete› There better be a PaizoCon II!
24/06/2008 21:51:37 ‹Karelzarath› Springfield, IL?
24/06/2008 21:51:37 ‹Absinth› He doesn't even have a son that could continue the series like Herbert's son did...
24/06/2008 21:51:47 ‹Pete› Springfield, Or, yes
24/06/2008 21:51:53 ‹Charles Evans› Paizocon II(V), The Wizards Strike back....
24/06/2008 21:51:57 ‹Daigle› Which Springfield was in the old GI Joe comics?
24/06/2008 21:52:06 ‹greengrunt› Wildcard series Russ??
24/06/2008 21:52:18 ‹Pete› James: What's the next big deadline?
24/06/2008 21:52:27 * Daigle wonders how many Springfields are in the US.
24/06/2008 21:52:33 ‹Zaister› Absinth, the coersion went well
24/06/2008 21:52:34 ‹Russ› Actually, Matt's from Portland, not Eugene or Springfield
24/06/2008 21:52:39 ‹James Jacobs› Pathinfder 14. July 18th.
24/06/2008 21:52:40 ‹Russ› greengrunt - one Wildcards, one other book
24/06/2008 21:52:59 ‹Yoda› so all of CotCT is to the presses?
24/06/2008 21:53:08 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, going back to something I asked earlier, but a little more general. Is Crystalrock a product of Thassilon?
24/06/2008 21:53:13 ‹Timitius› Karelzarath, YES. Definitely a PaizoCon II. Most likely the same time,,,,weekend of April 24-26. I think.
24/06/2008 21:53:13 ‹Absinth› Russ, what was the other book? I can't recall him writing another book.
24/06/2008 21:53:14 ‹Zaister› Absinth, the conversion went well, one character eb´ven abandoned his prestigclasses and rather went straight sorcerer
24/06/2008 21:53:26 ‹Yoda› Does Mike have his PF14 adventure done yet?
24/06/2008 21:53:28 ‹Lilith› Timitius, hooray! :woot:
24/06/2008 21:53:30 ‹Karelzarath› There's also a Springfield in CA, OH, and MA.
24/06/2008 21:53:32 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any spoilers for Pathfinders ~11 or #12?
24/06/2008 21:53:42 ‹Absinth› Ohh, that's a mayor change. How will you explain this in game?
24/06/2008 21:53:45 ‹Pete› Tim: Huzzah!
24/06/2008 21:53:49 * lwhalen joins Main
24/06/2008 21:54:01 ‹Daigle› Howdy lwhalen
24/06/2008 21:54:01 ‹Pete› Tim: Have you told your wife yet? :-)
24/06/2008 21:54:03 ‹Karelzarath› Tim: When's registration open?
24/06/2008 21:54:12 ‹lwhalen› hi
24/06/2008 21:54:19 * ? joins Main
24/06/2008 21:54:22 ‹greengrunt› Oh.. I have a question... Is there going to be a map of the Underworld??
24/06/2008 21:54:22 ‹Zaister› Absinth, he was Sorc/Dragonheart Mage which converts nicely to the draconic bloodline
24/06/2008 21:54:27 ‹Yoda› Hi ?
24/06/2008 21:54:36 ‹Pete› We promiste to get you more help this time!
24/06/2008 21:54:37 ‹Karelzarath› Pygon: Just popped a Blockade. Wish you were here, man. :)
24/06/2008 21:54:39 ‹Timitius› Still need to get out there and look at different hotels, though. The LaQuinta was good, but we need to see if we can get a better deal on rates.
24/06/2008 21:54:45 ‹greengrunt› 'Ello ?
24/06/2008 21:54:48 ‹Pygon› Karel - went well I presume?
24/06/2008 21:55:02 ‹Zaister› and he was about to take a level on level 12 (which they have just gained) of Fatespinner but now has abandoned that idea
24/06/2008 21:55:07 ‹Timitius› Pete, yes....she knows. She's surprised I took the Norwescon gig too.
24/06/2008 21:55:07 ‹Charles Evans› Good morning Iwhalen, ?. :)
24/06/2008 21:55:11 ‹Karelzarath› Haven't run it yet. Too much conversation here. :)
24/06/2008 21:55:17 ‹Yoda› Karelzarath, popping a blockade sounds like a medical issue
24/06/2008 21:55:26 ‹greengrunt› Hello Iwhalen
24/06/2008 21:55:30 ‹Karelzarath› Yoda: That would be popping a blockage.
24/06/2008 21:55:32 ‹Absinth› Zaister, okay that makes sense....
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24/06/2008 21:55:55 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Crystalrock is not a Thassilon product.
24/06/2008 21:55:57 ‹Russ› Hunter's Run is the other one
24/06/2008 21:56:25 ‹Pete› Tim: Let us know what we can help with.
24/06/2008 21:56:28 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, okay, that takes care of one theory I had. thanks
24/06/2008 21:56:40 ‹Timitius› Karelzarath, once I have the rooms reserved, I'll probably be able to set a registration cost/price. And those reserving early on will get a lower cost, bumping it up as we get closer.
24/06/2008 21:56:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Mike turned in his PF 14 adventure, yes. I'm in the process of developing it. it's his first big adventure, and so there's some rough spots, but there's some cool encounters in there too!
24/06/2008 21:56:51 ‹Zaister› The fighter/chameleon's spiked chain Improved Trip shtick got a bit nerved, but I'm all OK with that :)
24/06/2008 21:57:03 ‹Lilith› Timitius, as well as getting the option for a custom mini. :woot:
24/06/2008 21:57:22 ‹Russ› Good, improved trip builds are ANNOYING
24/06/2008 21:57:36 ‹Timitius› Lilith, Oh HELL yeah!
24/06/2008 21:57:39 ‹Absinth› Zaister, did your players like the changes to their characters?
24/06/2008 21:57:44 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No spoilers now for Pathfinder 11 or 12, really. I've pretty much given away most of them already... not counting the BIG ones that I don't want to give away because that'll spoil key adventure elements.
24/06/2008 21:57:45 ‹Zaister› I need to work out jow the turning abilitis of the Green Lady vestige an the Apostla class work with the nuew turning rules
24/06/2008 21:57:57 ‹Zaister› Absinth, I think so
24/06/2008 21:58:02 ‹Yoda› Timitius, keep me informed on planning for that. I want in early!
24/06/2008 21:58:04 ‹greengrunt› LOL.. the tripping part after the builds.. or the process itself?
24/06/2008 21:58:18 ‹Russ› I assume we'll learn a lot more about the brotherhood of bones?
24/06/2008 21:58:24 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> We'll be doing a map that shows key locations of the Darklands that's superimposed over the map of the Inner Sea region. It's probably just going to be names and tags, thoguh... not actual underground routes.
24/06/2008 21:58:30 ‹Russ› Green, annoying in play.
24/06/2008 21:58:31 ‹Timitius› I also need to check out the Amazon Pay thing vs. PayPal. As in, who will dink us for less.
24/06/2008 21:58:57 ‹greengrunt› Damn.. I was hoping for a more concise map.. but I guess that's where DM latitude comes in
24/06/2008 21:59:04 ‹Hill Giant› I gotta get moving. bye, folks.
24/06/2008 21:59:06 * ? quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 21:59:08 ‹Timitius› Yoda, you are on the list! You will know when I need something!:lol:
24/06/2008 21:59:11 ‹Pete› Tim: I have some ideas on space, we should chat.
24/06/2008 21:59:12 ‹Pygon› gnite Giant
24/06/2008 21:59:13 ‹greengrunt› Night Hill Giant
24/06/2008 21:59:14 ‹Justin Sluder› Hill Giant, g'night
24/06/2008 21:59:24 ‹ollibolli› bye Hill giant
24/06/2008 21:59:24 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yes. The Brotherhood of Bones story comes to a close in PF 11.
24/06/2008 21:59:25 ‹CD @home› bye HG
24/06/2008 21:59:28 ‹Yoda› g'night HG
24/06/2008 21:59:29 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Where do you think that Pazo wioll be in twenty years time?
24/06/2008 21:59:29 ‹Russ› Just charge enough to account for the overhead.
24/06/2008 21:59:34 ‹Timitius› Pete, we should chat, regardless. :D
24/06/2008 21:59:41 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Hill Giant.
24/06/2008 21:59:44 ‹Daigle› Goodnight HG!
24/06/2008 21:59:45 ‹Russ› Ah, interesting, not making it to the endgame. Neat.
24/06/2008 21:59:50 ‹Charles Evans› Pa(i)zo
24/06/2008 22:00:03 ‹Pete› Tim: Absolutely! Gotta catch up on many things! And Geoff's game too!
24/06/2008 22:00:07 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:00:11 ‹Russ› 20 years ago, D&D was still in 1st ed and Gygax had been forced out. I'd hate to try and have predicted now, then.
24/06/2008 22:00:45 ‹greengrunt› How was Gygax forced out??
24/06/2008 22:00:51 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Part of the problem is that the Darklands are three dimensional. There's 3 different realms stacked like pancakes. And in THOSE realms, lots of tunnels cross over and under. There's no way to do a concise map of that mess without spending thousands of dollars on maps; money better spent on illustrations.
24/06/2008 22:00:52 ‹Zaister› but we already knew 2E was coming then
24/06/2008 22:01:11 ‹Yoda› Russ, I bet 4e would have been exactly what you would have predicted :roll:
24/06/2008 22:01:12 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. aye.. good point
24/06/2008 22:01:16 ‹Pete› In 20 years we'll be playing DnD with our brain implants, right?
24/06/2008 22:01:19 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: Lisa & Erik will have had the opportunity to study history, et, and will have paid attention (or at least I hope so).
24/06/2008 22:01:29 ‹Charles Evans› et(c)
24/06/2008 22:01:34 * Daigle paddles right.
24/06/2008 22:01:35 ‹Russ› greengrunt - carelessness with who owned how much stock, mainly
24/06/2008 22:01:36 ‹Karelzarath› James Jacobs: You just need to print holograms of the area. How expensive can that really be? ;)
24/06/2008 22:01:36 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No clue. Hopefully still around!
24/06/2008 22:01:43 * Samwise quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:01:48 ‹greengrunt› You'd be caught making multiple level maps eh? if you decided to go that route
24/06/2008 22:01:52 ‹Zaister› Pete: you mean Pathfinder, right?
24/06/2008 22:01:59 ‹heathansson› Virtual Seoni.
24/06/2008 22:02:11 ‹Timitius› heathansson, Ohhhhhhh yeah.
24/06/2008 22:02:15 ‹greengrunt› Russ> so Gary made a financial faux paus on the stock options??
24/06/2008 22:02:18 ‹James Jacobs› Well... magazine rumor holds that the hologram cover they did a while back for National Geographic almost bankrupted the whole organization. And they have a LOT more resources than Paizo.
24/06/2008 22:02:27 ‹Daigle› I'd love to see a layered map like those diagrams of the human body that have the celophane sheets with the different systems.
24/06/2008 22:02:27 ‹Zaister› wow
24/06/2008 22:02:55 ‹Russ› No, it was private stock. I'd have to dig out what happened, but it led to him leaving in disgust after a few years as a figurehead. They put him in charge of the cartoon to give him something to do at one point.
24/06/2008 22:02:57 ‹Timitius› Daigle: SWEET idea, man.
24/06/2008 22:03:00 ‹Pete› Zaister: Paizo would own the name by then. Duh.
24/06/2008 22:03:01 ‹Karelzarath› Yeah, Daigle's idea might be more cost-effective. :D
24/06/2008 22:03:07 ‹Zaister› Pete, hehe oK
24/06/2008 22:03:20 ‹greengrunt› that sucked :mad:
24/06/2008 22:03:27 ‹Charles Evans› Kellogs were giving away holograms on Rice Krispie boxes years ago, and I never heard that they went bankrupt. :-?
24/06/2008 22:03:33 ‹Daigle› I couldn't think of how to describe it. I just kept thinking about an old set of encyclopedias we had.
24/06/2008 22:03:35 ‹Charles Evans› Kelog(g)s
24/06/2008 22:03:42 ‹Russ› I wonder if it's true that OD&D only existed as long as it did to keep Arneson from getting a share of AD&D profits
24/06/2008 22:04:04 ‹greengrunt› O??
24/06/2008 22:04:04 ‹James Jacobs› That said... I'd rather not nail down ALL of the tunnels of the Darklands with what would by necessity be a rush job, and then have to live with what would invariably be a bunch of poor decisions born out of no time to think things through. Better to only develop tunnel systems in adventures as we need them, I say,.
24/06/2008 22:04:07 ‹Charles Evans› Although those may have been fairly simple holograms of the Rice Krispie iconics.
24/06/2008 22:04:21 ‹Zaister› James Jacobs, absolutely
24/06/2008 22:04:35 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: I'd completely forgotten about those multi-layer illustrations. I spent hours looking at those when I was a kid.
24/06/2008 22:04:43 ‹Daigle› So fun!
24/06/2008 22:04:50 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect that Kellogs has a LOT more resources than National Geographic even.
24/06/2008 22:04:57 ‹Yoda› Karelzarath, for the gonads, right?
24/06/2008 22:04:58 ‹Russ› To predict where D&D wound up today 20 years ago, you'd need to anticipate things like MtG exploding, Pokemon imploding....
24/06/2008 22:05:04 ‹greengrunt› Well looking at it from that vantage point.. sounds totally logical.. and makes sense financially from Paizo's standpoint
24/06/2008 22:05:07 ‹Yoda› man ... woman ... man ... woman
24/06/2008 22:05:17 * BM quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:05:17 * BM quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:05:28 ‹Absinth› James, the map from FR: Underdark was quite nice...
24/06/2008 22:05:31 ‹James Jacobs› 20 years from now... print may well be dead.
24/06/2008 22:05:37 ‹Daigle› If you flipped the fast enough you could almost imagine someone exploding
24/06/2008 22:05:40 ‹Russ› Not a chance.
24/06/2008 22:05:41 ‹James Jacobs› Eew... I did NOT like that map.
24/06/2008 22:05:41 ‹Russ› :)
24/06/2008 22:05:44 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Keloggs does? :shock:
24/06/2008 22:05:47 ‹greengrunt› I can;t stand reading from a screen
24/06/2008 22:05:50 ‹Russ› (not a chance on print being dead)
24/06/2008 22:05:58 * Sothal@work joins Main
24/06/2008 22:06:02 ‹James Jacobs› It looked like someone who just discovered the "solarize" filter on Photoshop.
24/06/2008 22:06:04 ‹Russ› Who knows, though, smart paper might actually make inroads on RPGs
24/06/2008 22:06:06 ‹Pygon› mmm the smell of new paper and ink...
24/06/2008 22:06:08 ‹Charles Evans› science journal vs breakfast cereal, and the breakfast cereal is the bigger company?
24/06/2008 22:06:09 ‹Karelzarath› 20 years from now, it'll all be direct neural input.
24/06/2008 22:06:12 ‹greengrunt› I liked the general map in the Underdark FR book
24/06/2008 22:06:14 ‹Absinth› I don't hope so, James. I wouldn't want to live in the world where everything is in PDF...
24/06/2008 22:06:34 ‹Russ› I predict....in 20 years....Paizo will be justifying laying off New Spheres, who
24/06/2008 22:09:08 ‹greengrunt› I miss Gamma World .. the earlier editions
24/06/2008 22:09:12 ‹Yoda› Pygon, in 20 years the real grognards will be dead
24/06/2008 22:09:14 * CD @home quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:09:24 ‹Russ› HEY!
24/06/2008 22:09:24 ‹James Jacobs› Look back 20 years from now, back to 1988, when CDs sold in long boxes and people still had cassete players and VCRs. Now, we've got iPods that store weeks of music on a device the size of a deck of cards... oh, and that same device is a phone and a GPS and a computer.
24/06/2008 22:09:25 * Charles Evans wonders if Pygon will be a grognard in 20 years time....:)
24/06/2008 22:09:27 ‹Timitius› greengrunt, I agree. I still have my boxed set.
24/06/2008 22:09:30 ‹Pete› Yoda: Hey! That's me! Wait a second...
24/06/2008 22:09:37 ‹Daigle› I think we've delved into a future nostalgia hump, Mothy.
24/06/2008 22:09:37 ‹Sothal@work› Lilith :glomp:
24/06/2008 22:09:42 ‹Pygon› from which a new generation will spring, sinch a grognard is purely from juxtaposition anyway
24/06/2008 22:09:46 * Samwise quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:09:53 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Eventually, I suspect we will do more runelord statblocks, yes.
24/06/2008 22:09:58 ‹Russ› Yeah, but smart paper is gonna be like AI in terms of never really arriving
24/06/2008 22:10:00 ‹greengrunt› It really sucks when your IPod takes a dump
24/06/2008 22:10:02 ‹Absinth› Timitus, I don't think I'd have the nerves for action like this. It's one thing to imagine looting dungeons and fighting monsters and actually experiencing it. I'd probably throw up the first time I stumble across a beholder...:)
24/06/2008 22:10:10 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Maybe, maybe not.
24/06/2008 22:10:11 ‹Pete› In 20 years I'll be 62, running my game at the home.
24/06/2008 22:10:14 ‹Mothman› Future Nostalgia hey? Yeah, man, I loved 2030 ... things are better then...
24/06/2008 22:10:26 ‹Mothman› (flying cars)
24/06/2008 22:10:26 ‹greengrunt› That would be cool to have a Runelords sourcebook
24/06/2008 22:10:27 ‹Russ› I think we'll see it, but not cheap.
24/06/2008 22:10:34 ‹Russ› But for gamers, it may make sense - carry one book.
24/06/2008 22:10:36 ‹James Jacobs› Again.. who can say.
24/06/2008 22:10:39 ‹Timitius› Gamma World rocked. Star Frontiers rocked.
24/06/2008 22:10:43 ‹Charles Evans› Will Lisa be president by then?
24/06/2008 22:10:51 ‹greengrunt› Aye Tim.. that they did
24/06/2008 22:10:51 ‹Yoda› greengrunt, you mean when Britney Spears comes up on random?
24/06/2008 22:10:52 * Samwise quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:11:06 ‹Zaister› my favorite dead RPG system is TORG
24/06/2008 22:11:06 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Yoda
24/06/2008 22:11:15 ‹Zaister› or is it D&D...?
24/06/2008 22:11:19 ‹Karelzarath› TORG was fun.
24/06/2008 22:11:42 ‹greengrunt› No.. when it no longer works .. and all of that time spent downloading Fugazi and other greats has come to naught
24/06/2008 22:11:47 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Where will the next generation of those running Paizo come from, or has Lisa not authorised you to reveal her plans there, yet?
24/06/2008 22:11:58 ‹James Jacobs› 20 years ago, a new movie cost 90 bucks or so on VHS. Today, you can get a new movie for less than 20 bucks on DVD, along with LOTS of bonus material and all at a MUCH better quality. It's foolish to say that "smart paper" will never be cheap, I think. Whether or not I'll live long enoguh to see it... THAT'S the question.
24/06/2008 22:12:06 ‹heathansson› gotta jam! peace.
24/06/2008 22:12:09 * Absinth quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:12:09 * Samwise quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:12:20 ‹Daigle› BYe Heathy!
24/06/2008 22:12:20 ‹Mothman› see you Heath
24/06/2008 22:12:21 ‹Pygon› bye heath
24/06/2008 22:12:22 ‹greengrunt› Cya Heath
24/06/2008 22:12:25 ‹Justin Sluder› heathansson, later
24/06/2008 22:12:29 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Heathansson.
24/06/2008 22:12:33 ‹Timitius› Ok. Me too. Gotta catch some zzzzzzz's
24/06/2008 22:12:40 ‹Justin Sluder› Timitius, cya
24/06/2008 22:12:40 ‹greengrunt› Later Tim
24/06/2008 22:12:42 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Timitius.
24/06/2008 22:12:46 ‹Karelzarath› Bye, Heathy
24/06/2008 22:12:49 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Timitius
24/06/2008 22:12:51 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> The next generation is gonna come from the AI program Gary's writing on weekends. He'll download it into a humanzee army and presto!
24/06/2008 22:12:53 ‹Karelzarath› G'night, Tim
24/06/2008 22:12:53 ‹Pete› Later Tim!
24/06/2008 22:12:55 ‹ollibolli› gn8 heathy
24/06/2008 22:12:57 ‹Daigle› Bye Tim!
22:13:12 * heathansson quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:13:14 ‹James Jacobs› I better get going too... don't want this sick to take too much root!
24/06/2008 22:13:16 ‹Mothman› Bye Tim
24/06/2008 22:13:16 ‹Russ› "Cheap" like a $7 paperback is what I don't believe
24/06/2008 22:13:18 ‹James Jacobs› Any last minute questions?
24/06/2008 22:13:20 * Agathezol quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:13:25 ‹Timitius› Night all! Karelzarath, Lilith: Give that Hellgate the business end!
24/06/2008 22:13:27 ‹Pygon› thanks James, take care
24/06/2008 22:13:31 ‹Pete› We'll just program the OOD to run Paizo
24/06/2008 22:13:31 ‹Zaister› good night James!
24/06/2008 22:13:34 ‹Mothman› Ah, you sick James? I've been too - rest up, get better!
24/06/2008 22:13:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Hugs! You must give hugs for me! :)
24/06/2008 22:13:42 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, take care. Get better.
24/06/2008 22:13:43 ‹Lilith› Timitius, Will do! :knight:
24/06/2008 22:13:43 ‹greengrunt› Ok James.. Thank you so much for your time.. It is greatly appreciated
24/06/2008 22:13:46 ‹CD @home› have a nice night James
24/06/2008 22:13:48 ‹Russ› We'll see. When we get our AI, our flying cars, our food pills :)
24/06/2008 22:13:51 ‹James Jacobs› No prob ! Great talkin' to ya all!
24/06/2008 22:13:53 ‹Daigle› Take care James! Thanks for stopping by!
24/06/2008 22:13:54 ‹Karelzarath› Get well, James.
24/06/2008 22:13:54 ‹greengrunt› G,nite and take care man
24/06/2008 22:13:56 ‹Russ› There's somet things that never seem to roll around.
24/06/2008 22:13:56 ‹Justin Sluder› and, thanks for taking the time to visit.
24/06/2008 22:13:58 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight James JAcobs... catch up on some reading... :)
24/06/2008 22:14:01 ‹Yoda› no more questions James, other than a plea for more spoilers
24/06/2008 22:14:06 ‹ollibolli› gn8 james
24/06/2008 22:14:10 ‹Yoda› have a good night
24/06/2008 22:14:13 ‹James Jacobs› Will do! I just started "Song of Kali."
24/06/2008 22:14:14 ‹ollibolli› catch up un your 52 front
24/06/2008 22:14:15 ‹Daigle› Russ, I'd kill for food pills.
24/06/2008 22:14:20 ‹Russ› I do think we'll see smart paper, just don't think it's gonna get less than an ipod
24/06/2008 22:14:23 ‹Daigle› Hell, I'll settle for paste.
24/06/2008 22:14:26 ‹ollibolli› Dan simmons? Pure goodness
24/06/2008 22:14:30 ‹Lilith› This I do declare: My hubby's white chocolate cheesecake is awesome, especially smothered in homemade whipped cream. :excite:
24/06/2008 22:14:33 * Charles Evans experiments... :mike:
24/06/2008 22:14:36 ‹Pete› If you don't have your health... - Count Ruggo
24/06/2008 22:14:39 * Absinth quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:14:39 ‹James Jacobs› I guess one spoiler should be okay... but I won't say what book it's showing up in!
24/06/2008 22:14:44 ‹James Jacobs› And that spoiler is....
24/06/2008 22:14:47 ‹ollibolli› *G*
24/06/2008 22:14:52 * Timitius quit (timeout)
24/06/2008 22:14:54 ‹greengrunt› Ok.. let er rip!!
24/06/2008 22:14:55 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug eating a castle.
24/06/2008 22:14:55 ‹Pygon› that does it - I'm getting a Reese's Blizzard tomorrow.
24/06/2008 22:15:02 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: agreed. Simplifying food intake to give me more time in the day would be awesome.
24/06/2008 22:15:04 ‹Zaister› ugh :)
24/06/2008 22:15:05 ‹Justin Sluder› :excite:
24/06/2008 22:15:06 ‹Daigle› Nice!
24/06/2008 22:15:07 ‹Yoda› :shock:
24/06/2008 22:15:10 ‹Pygon› sweet!
24/06/2008 22:15:13 ‹Pete› drumroll
24/06/2008 22:15:15 ‹ollibolli› :skullbones:
24/06/2008 22:15:16 ‹greengrunt› Rovagug? damn.. I forgot what the hell is Rovagug?
24/06/2008 22:15:24 ‹Charles Evans› Bad deity?
24/06/2008 22:15:28 ‹Pete› symbol crash
24/06/2008 22:15:29 * Karelzarath just finished a Butterfinger blizzard.
24/06/2008 22:15:33 ‹Pygon› I think he's Golarion's Tarrasque?
24/06/2008 22:15:38 ‹Pete› Rovagug Rocks The House!
24/06/2008 22:15:40 ‹Daigle› Karelzarath, totally, not like for every meal, but if I needed to just get the nutrients and calories in me to get through.
24/06/2008 22:15:41 ‹Justin Sluder› Rovagug is a deity. Kind of like Hextor.
24/06/2008 22:15:46 ‹Lilith› Rovagug is an evil deity. :raptor:
24/06/2008 22:15:47 ‹Charles Evans› Pygon: No, he released Golarion's arrasque.
24/06/2008 22:15:47 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug's the god of disasters and doom. He's Golarion's Tharizdun, basically.
24/06/2008 22:15:48 ‹Pygon› ah. worse then.
24/06/2008 22:15:51 ‹Justin Sluder› Only worse.
24/06/2008 22:15:56 ‹Charles Evans› (T)arrasque.
24/06/2008 22:15:57 ‹James Jacobs› The tarrasque is one of Rovagug's spawn.
24/06/2008 22:15:58 ‹Pete› He's not evil, he's just misunderstood.
24/06/2008 22:16:06 ‹Yoda› Rovagug makes Havero look like bunny rabbits
24/06/2008 22:16:13 ‹Pete› Half-Orc Bard's love him!
24/06/2008 22:16:17 * Samwise joins Main
24/06/2008 22:16:19 ‹greengrunt› (Greengrunt is perplexed between the curiousity of Rovagug and the fact that Lillith is making him hungry)
24/06/2008 22:16:29 ‹Russ› Rovagug is a trapped mad god
24/06/2008 22:16:34 ‹Sothal@work› Rovagug is like Hasbro
24/06/2008 22:16:37 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Did I mention what 2 deities will be highlighted in AP4 now that we've moved the Cheliax path (and Asmodeus and Iomedae) to AP5? That could be a spoiler.
24/06/2008 22:16:38 ‹Russ› He's FUN.
24/06/2008 22:16:39 ‹greengrunt› how about the oliphant of Jandelray??
24/06/2008 22:16:48 ‹Charles Evans› But, Rovagug's tarrasque gets its butt kicked by the Olphaunt of Jandelay.
24/06/2008 22:16:53 ‹Russ› He's all the best parts of Ertyhnul and Tharzy wrapped into a fun little package
24/06/2008 22:17:01 ‹Pete› Uh, no, you did not mention that.
24/06/2008 22:17:06 ‹James Jacobs› The oliphant is a super powerful epic monster from a particularly bad-ass part of the edge of the universe.
24/06/2008 22:17:08 ‹greengrunt› Is that an offspring of Rovagug? Isn't that thing worse than the Tarrasque?
24/06/2008 22:17:16 ‹Zaister› Tharizdun has always been my favorite Greyhawk deity :)
24/06/2008 22:17:20 ‹James Jacobs› The oliphant has nothing to do with Rovagug.
24/06/2008 22:17:26 ‹Yoda› no, James, what deities are in PF4?
24/06/2008 22:17:44 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, is the oliphant near the Dead Lights?
24/06/2008 22:17:46 ‹James Jacobs› But ANYWAY. The 2 deities in AP4 are Sarenrae and Rovagug. Hence why the mention of him eating a castle reminded m e...
24/06/2008 22:17:56 ‹Lilith› That is, from the area near the Dead Lights?
24/06/2008 22:17:58 ‹greengrunt› Really?? Wow... Are you guys going to do cover that bad mamba jamba eventually??
24/06/2008 22:17:58 ‹James Jacobs› No one knows where the oliphant is.
24/06/2008 22:17:58 ‹Yoda› niiiiice
24/06/2008 22:18:08 ‹James Jacobs› Someday, yes.
24/06/2008 22:18:20 ‹Yoda› The oliphant is in Wolfgang Baur's head
24/06/2008 22:18:21 ‹James Jacobs› We have a picture of his face already...
24/06/2008 22:18:28 ‹Zaister› which one is the second deity in CoCT?
24/06/2008 22:18:29 ‹Charles Evans› The Oliphant is waiting for Runelord Alaznist to dig it out of cold storage and go down to the local shops to collect her grceries.... :)
24/06/2008 22:18:29 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: I read a story once that had the heroes in a deserted city with thousands of trees bearing strange fruit. Under each was a cluster of dessicated remains. When they tested the fruit, it wasn't poisoned and actually had all the vitamins and minerals that a body needed to survive. But no calories. The people ate themselves into starvation.
24/06/2008 22:18:29 ‹Pete› Awesome! Two of my favorites
24/06/2008 22:18:29 * Wyvern joins Main
24/06/2008 22:18:38 ‹Yoda› Zon Kuthon, Zaister
24/06/2008 22:18:38 ‹Mothman› The oliphant is now serving pancakes in a little diner in Kansas
24/06/2008 22:18:40 ‹greengrunt› September perhaps? :D
24/06/2008 22:18:41 ‹Zaister› ah
24/06/2008 22:18:45 ‹Karelzarath› Wyvern!
24/06/2008 22:18:51 ‹Wyvern› Hey!
24/06/2008 22:19:05 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern!
24/06/2008 22:19:05 ‹Pygon› hi Wyvern
24/06/2008 22:19:12 ‹Lilith› Hey Wyvern! :glomp:
24/06/2008 22:19:15 ‹Justin Sluder› okay, time for me to go
24/06/2008 22:19:18 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun all
24/06/2008 22:19:20 ‹Lilith› Mothman, International House of Haggis?
24/06/2008 22:19:21 ‹Pygon› gnite Justin
24/06/2008 22:19:21 ‹Daigle› Crazy story K, what's it from?
24/06/2008 22:19:23 ‹lwhalen› HI Wyvern!
24/06/2008 22:19:27 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Justin
24/06/2008 22:19:27 * Absinth joins Main
24/06/2008 22:19:28 ‹Justin Sluder› and don't kill anyone without me
24/06/2008 22:19:30 ‹Wyvern› Liam!!!
24/06/2008 22:19:31 ‹greengrunt› Aye I saw the pic of the oliphant.. absolutely enormous.. bigger than colossal fer cryin out loud
24/06/2008 22:19:34 ‹Charles Evans› Hello Wyvern: The Chat has fnished off with a round of 'where's the Oliphant'.... :D
22:19:42 ‹ollibolli› gn8 justin
24/06/2008 22:19:42 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
24/06/2008 22:19:44 ‹Karelzarath› Daigle: I can't remember! I've been trying to find it for a month now.
24/06/2008 22:19:59 ‹Mothman› Lilith, oh you've seen him then?
24/06/2008 22:20:04 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm out for real this time.
24/06/2008 22:20:07 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all alter!
24/06/2008 22:20:10 ‹Pygon› gnite James!
24/06/2008 22:20:11 ‹James Jacobs› later, even
24/06/2008 22:20:11 ‹Yoda› g'night James!
24/06/2008 22:20:12 * mortellan joins Main
24/06/2008 22:20:13 ‹Daigle› K, I hate when that happens
24/06/2008 22:20:13 ‹greengrunt› G,night and thanks!
24/06/2008 22:20:16 ‹Pete› Later!
24/06/2008 22:20:17 ‹Daigle› Goodnight James
24/06/2008 22:20:17 ‹Zaister› thanks and good bya James
24/06/2008 22:20:17 * Pygon alters
24/06/2008 22:20:18 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight James Jacobs.
24/06/2008 22:20:24 ‹Karelzarath› G'night, James
24/06/2008 22:20:25 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mort!
24/06/2008 22:20:25 ‹Zaister› good bye even
24/06/2008 22:20:29 * Charles Evans has to leave too...
24/06/2008 22:20:31 ‹Sothal@work› I like to alter!
24/06/2008 22:20:38 * Charles Evans collects his :cthulhu:
24/06/2008 22:20:39 ‹greengrunt› Ok- night CE
24/06/2008 22:20:43 ‹Daigle› Night Charles
24/06/2008 22:20:46 ‹mortellan› hi james, bye james
24/06/2008 22:20:46 ‹ollibolli› gn8 charles
24/06/2008 22:20:48 * Pete has to go
24/06/2008 22:20:52 * Charles Evans wanders off....
24/06/2008 22:20:54 ‹ollibolli› gn8 james
24/06/2008 22:20:57 ‹ollibolli› gn8 pete
24/06/2008 22:21:02 ‹greengrunt› talk about leaving the chat on cliffhanger..
24/06/2008 22:21:07 * Charles Evans quit
24/06/2008 22:21:15 ‹Russ› night James, thanks
24/06/2008 22:21:30 ‹Lilith› Thank you James! :thug:
24/06/2008 22:21:35 ‹greengrunt› Would be soo awesome to find out more about the oliphant :D
24/06/2008 22:21:44 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
19:57:46 * James Jacobs joins Main
01/07/2008 19:57:50 ‹Daigle› Oh yeah. Craig. At the airport in Austin there is an Air Canada sign that says, "Howdy, eh".
01/07/2008 19:57:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ!
01/07/2008 19:57:58 ‹Daigle› So Happy Canada Day!
01/07/2008 19:57:59 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy!
01/07/2008 19:58:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy James
01/07/2008 19:58:07 ‹BrianC› Speaking of panhandlers, if anyone's going to GenCon, look out. Those buggers are aggressive.
01/07/2008 19:58:07 ‹Pygon› welcome James!
01/07/2008 19:58:14 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: :lol:
01/07/2008 19:58:14 * Yasha:gninja: waves to James.
01/07/2008 19:58:21 ‹BrianC› James? Where?!?
01/07/2008 19:58:25 ‹James Jacobs› Here!
01/07/2008 19:58:33 ‹Chef Lilith› JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMES!
01/07/2008 19:58:34 ‹Yasha:gninja:› Where did the Ninja come from? I didn't click that?
01/07/2008 19:58:36 ‹greengrunt› Hey James!!
01/07/2008 19:58:40 * Yasha:gninja: changes his/her nickname to Yasha
01/07/2008 19:58:44 ‹greengrunt› How are you feeling? Better?
01/07/2008 19:58:58 * Chef Lilith glomps James fiercely, slipping a bowl of soup in front of him! :glomp: :thug:
01/07/2008 19:59:02 ‹David :P› hi James!
01/07/2008 19:59:02 ‹BrianC› Awesome!
01/07/2008 19:59:03 * Chef Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith
01/07/2008 19:59:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› James!
01/07/2008 19:59:06 ‹James Jacobs› Feeling mostly better. The Snot still causes some trouble...
01/07/2008 19:59:15 ‹James Jacobs› Soup! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
01/07/2008 19:59:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Snot does that.
01/07/2008 19:59:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› BrianC, don't the panhandlers know that gamers have no money? It all went to Paizo
01/07/2008 19:59:30 ‹greengrunt› :sad:
01/07/2008 19:59:37 ‹BrianC› They have no idea.
01/07/2008 19:59:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, did you just om nom nom snot?
01/07/2008 19:59:49 ‹BrianC› Non-Pathfinder-type question for you, James, before we get started:
01/07/2008 19:59:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ross, the punchline was perfect!
01/07/2008 19:59:57 ‹Pygon› It will probably result in a new Lovecraftian Ooze.
01/07/2008 20:00:03 ‹James Jacobs› Nope! Not on purpose. I om nom nomed the soup Chef Lilith gave me.
01/07/2008 20:00:05 ‹greengrunt› Thanks for that link Ross,, totally awesome!
01/07/2008 20:00:09 ‹Yasha› Here James. Dante is getting huge! [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/al...nte.jpg[/IMG]
01/07/2008 20:00:16 ‹BrianC› Will Sean (SKR) get a pass from the Jones Soda Turkey drinking because of his vegetarian status?
01/07/2008 20:00:30 ‹James Jacobs› LIZARRRRRD!!! Awesome!
01/07/2008 20:00:38 ‹Yasha› Sean will just have to choke it down with everyone else!
01/07/2008 20:00:42 ‹James Jacobs› I'll probably be waiting till after Gen Con to kick Operation Lizard into high gear, I think.
01/07/2008 20:00:44 ‹BrianC› Eek!
01/07/2008 20:00:47 * BrianC jumps on a chair.
01/07/2008 20:00:48 ‹Blazej› Does Turkey Jones Soda actually have turkey in it?
01/07/2008 20:00:51 * Ross quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 20:00:55 ‹Yasha› Cool. Hes about 9" overall now.
01/07/2008 20:00:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Operation Lizard . . . heh
01/07/2008 20:01:13 ‹James Jacobs› BrianC> Sean will not get a pass! There are PLENTY of vegetarian flavors for him to choose from. Such as BRUSSEL SPROUTS or SPLIT PEA or PUMPKIN or SWEAT.
01/07/2008 20:01:25 ‹BrianC› W00t!
01/07/2008 20:01:28 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
01/07/2008 20:01:29 ‹Yasha› I vote for making him drink SWEAT!
01/07/2008 20:01:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Huzzah!
01/07/2008 20:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› hee hee! I like Dante's eyes!
01/07/2008 20:01:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› Is sweat vegetarian? I'm not sure...
01/07/2008 20:01:38 ‹Blazej› Is a Vegetable Jones Soda vegetarian?
01/07/2008 20:01:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› And if he doesn't . . :fishslap:
01/07/2008 20:01:44 ‹Pygon› Paizo Hazing?
01/07/2008 20:01:58 ‹BrianC› Thanksgiving tradition, Pygon.
01/07/2008 20:01:59 ‹Daigle› RS, I'd avoid it personally.
01/07/2008 20:02:02 ‹James Jacobs› Sweat is as vegetarian as milk.
01/07/2008 20:02:10 ‹James Jacobs› And that's that for that conversation. NEXT QUESTION.
01/07/2008 20:02:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Here here!
01/07/2008 20:02:14 * Pete joins Main
01/07/2008 20:02:15 ‹Yoda8myhead› so it's vegtarian but not vegan
01/07/2008 20:02:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› I suppose that's true.
01/07/2008 20:02:17 ‹Daigle› :lol:
01/07/2008 20:02:28 ‹BrianC› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...CELvRI8
01/07/2008 20:02:31 ‹greengrunt› Sweat is vegetarian if the sweater just had some soy milk! :razz:
01/07/2008 20:02:33 * Daigle ponders sweat farms.
01/07/2008 20:02:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Demon Lords! I must know! :D
01/07/2008 20:03:01 ‹James Jacobs› Demon lords! There's like 29 of them waiting in the wings to assault Golarion!
01/07/2008 20:03:02 ‹greengrunt› Daigle... Trannibals in the sweat farms... Oh my!
01/07/2008 20:03:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Woo hoo
01/07/2008 20:03:28 ‹Blazej› And what? At least a dozen more just chillin'?
01/07/2008 20:03:29 ‹Yoda8myhead› how many can you tell us about tonight?
01/07/2008 20:03:29 ‹Daigle› That'd just be nasty.
01/07/2008 20:03:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› :twisted:
01/07/2008 20:03:41 ‹James Jacobs› Hmmm.
01/07/2008 20:03:46 * Russ quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 20:03:55 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs how about some of the Empyreal Lords?
01/07/2008 20:03:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey James, with all of this talk of demon lords, and with Asmodeus being a full blown god, do you guys have any plans for Dukes of Hell?
01/07/2008 20:03:57 ‹Daigle› We better rally some heroes if there are that many ready to assault Golarion!
01/07/2008 20:04:00 ‹James Jacobs› How many demon lords...
01/07/2008 20:04:01 ‹Lilith› But! Demons first!
01/07/2008 20:04:03 * greyhawklover joins Main
01/07/2008 20:04:07 ‹greengrunt› Oh man.. are they all atttacking Mendev??
01/07/2008 20:04:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› that'll piss the one poster right off!
01/07/2008 20:04:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . .
01/07/2008 20:04:26 * Lilith waves at greyhawklover!
01/07/2008 20:04:27 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yes. We have 8 arch devils (Asmodeus is in charge of the 9th circle), and as many dukes of Hell as we want.
01/07/2008 20:04:27 ‹Daigle› How many demon lords does it take to screw in a multiverse?
01/07/2008 20:04:31 ‹Lilith› Welcome greyhawklover!
01/07/2008 20:04:44 ‹greengrunt› Hey Pete.. Grey!
01/07/2008 20:04:54 ‹Yoda8myhead› Daigle, or screw over a multiverse
01/07/2008 20:05:00 ‹Yoda8myhead› screw up?
01/07/2008 20:05:02 ‹Pete› Hey Everybody!
01/07/2008 20:05:03 ‹Daigle› Whatever works ;)
01/07/2008 20:05:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of hell, Duke, Duke...
01/07/2008 20:05:09 ‹Yasha› :lol:
01/07/2008 20:05:14 ‹greengrunt› :D
01/07/2008 20:05:16 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> We only reveal 6 Empyreal Lords in the Hardcover; 2 for each of the good alignments.
01/07/2008 20:05:31 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Cool! :D
01/07/2008 20:05:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› I always loved that Gargauth was an exiled arch devil, so the idea of a few of them sneaking around the multiverse tryin to get back in good standing was always appealing to me.
01/07/2008 20:05:40 ‹Yoda8myhead› are they the same three we already know about?
01/07/2008 20:05:47 ‹James Jacobs› Tomorrow's blog post lists the 10 "other gods" as well.
20:05:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Woo hoo
01/07/2008 20:05:56 ‹greengrunt› Coolness
01/07/2008 20:06:01 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Which three?
01/07/2008 20:06:02 ‹Lilith› Sweeeeeeet
01/07/2008 20:06:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› I love it when a multiverse comes together.
01/07/2008 20:06:07 ‹Yasha› Can we expect a bit more depth on the Empyreal Lords from PF than the bare minimum than was in the BoED?
01/07/2008 20:06:17 ‹James Jacobs› Yasha> Eventually; yes.
01/07/2008 20:06:21 ‹Yoda8myhead› Ashava the True Spark, Horseman of War, Soralyon
01/07/2008 20:06:48 ‹Yasha› Cool, cool.
01/07/2008 20:07:03 ‹Hill Giant› JJ, how many planes does golarian have?
01/07/2008 20:07:17 ‹greyhawklover› Thank u Lilith
01/07/2008 20:07:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> They're six new ones.
01/07/2008 20:07:25 ‹Yoda8myhead› cool
01/07/2008 20:07:35 ‹greengrunt› Last I heard, they were all grounded.. mechanics on strike :razz:
01/07/2008 20:07:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, do you have a place in Hell for Jezebel?
01/07/2008 20:08:21 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Absolutely! She's probably in one of the "duke" positions; a powerful unique devil who doesn't rule a plane.
01/07/2008 20:08:40 ‹James Jacobs› Shall I list off the Multiverse's plane names?
01/07/2008 20:08:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I was happy to see that you mentioned Lilith in the Jezebel article. :squee:
01/07/2008 20:08:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› I really liked her write up in KQ, nice work James . . .
01/07/2008 20:08:47 ‹greengrunt› Please!
01/07/2008 20:08:50 ‹Blazej› PLEASE!
01/07/2008 20:08:56 ‹Daigle› Yes!!!
01/07/2008 20:09:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› [-o>
01/07/2008 20:09:03 ‹David :P› Do it!
01/07/2008 20:09:05 ‹BrianC› No.
01/07/2008 20:09:05 ‹Lilith› Please please please please please
01/07/2008 20:09:08 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks, Knight! I had fun writing about her! It was cool getting back into a Demonomicon-style place.
01/07/2008 20:09:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› nah
01/07/2008 20:09:15 ‹Pygon› :excite:
01/07/2008 20:09:18 ‹Yoda8myhead› save it for the CS
01/07/2008 20:09:18 * Lilith waves cookies in James' direction! :cookie::cookie:
01/07/2008 20:09:29 * Russ quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 20:09:43 ‹Yasha› Careful! They're laced with Luhix!
01/07/2008 20:09:47 * Skeld joins Main
01/07/2008 20:09:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› :beer:
01/07/2008 20:09:55 ‹greengrunt› Hey Skeld
01/07/2008 20:09:57 ‹Daigle› Howdy Skeld
01/07/2008 20:09:59 * BrianC waves Cthulhu shaped brownies. They eat his brain. :cthulhu:
01/07/2008 20:10:05 ‹Pygon› I vicariously gagged at that Jones Soda video.
01/07/2008 20:10:07 ‹Yasha› :zombie: Must feed addiction...
01/07/2008 20:10:14 ‹Yoda8myhead› it's bad when the cookies eat you
01/07/2008 20:10:25 ‹Yoda8myhead› Pygon, was it the gravy?
01/07/2008 20:10:26 ‹Blazej› Why do you have non-euclidian cookies?
01/07/2008 20:10:52 ‹Skeld› hi guys
01/07/2008 20:10:52 ‹James Jacobs› Not counting demiplanes (which float in the gaps between outer planes, I think... not sure there...), we've got 19 planes.
01/07/2008 20:11:00 ‹greengrunt› Nice!
01/07/2008 20:11:02 ‹Pygon› Yoda - I have no idea what it was, I tend to avoid things I can't recognize
01/07/2008 20:11:03 * Presence joins Main
01/07/2008 20:11:11 ‹Daigle› Howdy Presence
01/07/2008 20:11:12 ‹Pygon› hi Presence
01/07/2008 20:11:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Love demiplanes . . . lots of room to work . . .
01/07/2008 20:11:13 ‹greengrunt› Hey Presence
01/07/2008 20:11:14 ‹Lilith› PRESENCE! :woot:
01/07/2008 20:11:21 * Ross performs percussive maintainence on Lilith's server. Was my question answered while I was bounced?
01/07/2008 20:11:25 ‹Presence› <3
01/07/2008 20:11:26 ‹Pygon› your server gaurdrails are doing the job!
01/07/2008 20:12:11 ‹Pygon› I do like how the planar edges start to mix two adjacent planes together. Plenty of interesting possibilities there.
01/07/2008 20:12:18 ‹Yoda8myhead› Ross, what was the question?
01/07/2008 20:12:21 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ross, the punchline of your link killed me!
01/07/2008 20:12:23 ‹Yasha› Demiplanes are fun, I'd certainly love to see some demiplanes along the lines of the old Greyhawk 'Fading Lands'
20:13:03 ‹Ross› Yoda8myhead, about ogre hooks. I'm not even sure if it got through.
01/07/2008 20:13:08 ‹Ross› Rambling Scribe, I thought it would.
01/07/2008 20:13:22 * Yoda8myhead likes to think that this universe is really just a demiplane in some much larger cosmology, affixed between two much cooler planes
01/07/2008 20:13:39 ‹Yasha› :lol:
01/07/2008 20:13:40 ‹Yoda8myhead› Ross, I didn't see the question, so you might ask it again
01/07/2008 20:13:42 * Mothman joins Main
01/07/2008 20:13:54 * Yasha waves to the Moth...
01/07/2008 20:13:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Mothman!
01/07/2008 20:14:04 ‹Lilith› Mothman! :glomp:
01/07/2008 20:14:07 ‹Blazej› Like a delicious multiverse sandwich?
01/07/2008 20:14:13 ‹greengrunt› Hey Moth! :D
01/07/2008 20:14:19 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mothy!
01/07/2008 20:14:24 ‹Mothman› G'day Yasha, Scribe, Lilith
01/07/2008 20:14:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Riding on the backs of four elephants which are standing on the back of a giant turtle swimming through space . . .
01/07/2008 20:14:40 ‹Mothman› Hey Greengrunt, Daigle - hows things?
01/07/2008 20:14:43 ‹Ross› James, are Ogre Hooks supposed to be one handed or two? They're listed one handed but I keep seeing them as one handed in art.
01/07/2008 20:14:53 * tensor joins Main
01/07/2008 20:14:54 ‹Daigle› Rockin'
01/07/2008 20:15:03 ‹Yasha› A'Tuin! Yeah! I was just watching the Hogfather movie last night...
01/07/2008 20:15:04 ‹greengrunt› Hi Tensor!
01/07/2008 20:15:10 ‹Daigle› Howdy tensor
01/07/2008 20:15:19 ‹tensor› hiya green
01/07/2008 20:15:22 ‹tensor› hey Daigle.
01/07/2008 20:15:24 ‹Yasha› heya Tensor.
01/07/2008 20:15:31 ‹David :P› hi tensor
01/07/2008 20:15:32 ‹tensor› Yasha! :)
01/07/2008 20:15:33 ‹Mothman› We talking outer planes?
01/07/2008 20:15:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› where'd James go?
01/07/2008 20:15:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oddly enough, my brother that had like 0 interest in fantasy was the first one to read those books
01/07/2008 20:15:41 ‹tensor› hey David
01/07/2008 20:15:44 ‹Pygon› he's typing.
01/07/2008 20:15:49 ‹greengrunt› James was discussing planes in PF
01/07/2008 20:15:52 ‹Blazej› One handed for giants, but two-handed for medium creatures?
01/07/2008 20:15:53 ‹tensor› everyone know I am a dissenter, right? Good.
01/07/2008 20:16:15 ‹tensor› nice :)
01/07/2008 20:16:52 ‹David :P› .
01/07/2008 20:16:55 ‹Yasha› :razz:
01/07/2008 20:16:57 ‹Dalvyn› He must be typing the names of those 19 planes, as promised :)
01/07/2008 20:17:00 ‹tensor› hi Pygon
01/07/2008 20:17:06 ‹Pygon› hi tensor
01/07/2008 20:17:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› or counting them
01/07/2008 20:17:16 ‹Yoda8myhead› he had to take his shoes off
01/07/2008 20:17:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Or the snot got him . . . you know, you can't critical that . . . its an ooze . . .
01/07/2008 20:17:22 ‹Mothman› hey tensor - why are you dissenting?
01/07/2008 20:17:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› Maybe his pizza arrived...
01/07/2008 20:17:28 ‹greengrunt› Lilith give JJ some more soup! :D
01/07/2008 20:17:30 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Ogre Hooks are two handed. We've had a hell of a time getting them illustrated as two handed weapons, alas. The basic idea is that you hold them with one hand in the circular "eye" and the other with the short shaft just above the "eye."
01/07/2008 20:17:32 ‹Yasha› 8-) Or its just suspenseful timing.
01/07/2008 20:17:34 ‹Mothman› Yoda: good thing there's only 19 then
01/07/2008 20:18:03 * cappadocius joins Main
01/07/2008 20:18:05 ‹James Jacobs› But getting an ogre hook to look the same in two illustrations was weirdly impossible. Mostly because at that time we were scrambling to hit Gen Con and finish up the magazines also at the same time...
01/07/2008 20:18:10 ‹Yoda8myhead› Mothman, we know not how many toes he has, though the information would be useful on the wiki
01/07/2008 20:18:12 ‹greengrunt› Hey Cappa!
01/07/2008 20:18:27 ‹Mothman› Yoda: indeed
01/07/2008 20:18:35 ‹Pete› James: How is GenCon looking? Have all the sessions filled up yet?
01/07/2008 20:18:36 ‹cappadocius› hey! There's a chat tonight!
01/07/2008 20:18:38 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, ah. That makes sense. From the art orders, it seemed like there were both one and two handed hooks, and the one in the Player's Guide was one-handed, despite being next to the two-handed listing on the table.
01/07/2008 20:18:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› It seems like getting consistant art sometimes is kind of like cat herding . . .
01/07/2008 20:18:41 ‹greengrunt› Rough schedule James :shock:
01/07/2008 20:18:42 ‹cappadocius› howdy
01/07/2008 20:18:46 ‹James Jacobs› Gen Con is looking SUPER BUSY! :o
01/07/2008 20:18:53 ‹cappadocius› I seem to be lagged.
01/07/2008 20:18:54 ‹Mothman› James, I see ogre hooks as kind of "custom built" weapons anyway, rather than having a standard, mass-produced look
01/07/2008 20:18:56 ‹Yoda8myhead› the planar discussion seems to have dispersed...:-?
01/07/2008 20:19:01 ‹Ross› It looks like you grip the ring and use it like a claw weapon.
01/07/2008 20:19:06 ‹cappadocius› I missed PLANES??
01/07/2008 20:19:08 ‹Skeld› hmmmm .... my wife told me no GenCon this year ....
01/07/2008 20:19:09 * cappadocius cries.
01/07/2008 20:19:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› The planes shifted.
01/07/2008 20:19:18 ‹tensor› Mothman: I was just reading the response to some of my posts. Some people don't like my lexicon.
01/07/2008 20:19:18 ‹Yoda8myhead› cappa, the beginning of planes
01/07/2008 20:19:23 ‹Yoda8myhead› we never really got an answer
01/07/2008 20:19:24 ‹greengrunt› From a gaming product standpoint.. I can't wait till GenCon is over :razz:
01/07/2008 20:19:25 ‹Skeld› something about her sister having a baby about that time .... i wasn't really listening
01/07/2008 20:19:28 * Eyebite joins Main
01/07/2008 20:19:32 ‹James Jacobs› Ogre hooks are absolutely custom built. They're basically just pokey axes.
01/07/2008 20:19:35 ‹Yasha› You haven't missed it yet, Cappadocius.
01/07/2008 20:19:36 ‹cappadocius› Every time I come here is that same crap about Drow and tell us about the next AP. I come late and it's a Planar Discussion,a nd I MISSED IT.
01/07/2008 20:19:40 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Eye!
01/07/2008 20:19:51 ‹Yasha› Sweet! Hows it going Eyebite? Hows the smoke in Lodi
01/07/2008 20:20:00 ‹Yasha› ?
01/07/2008 20:20:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Pokey axes!
01/07/2008 20:20:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy Eyebite!
01/07/2008 20:20:03 ‹Mothman› Skeld: whatever it was, it wasnt as important as gen con ...
01/07/2008 20:20:03 ‹Eyebite› Hey Grunt
01/07/2008 20:20:10 ‹James Jacobs› I was going to list the names of the 19 planes but then there was some backlash against it so I got scared and went to work on the art order for "Pathfinder Companion: ELVES" for a little bit...
01/07/2008 20:20:14 ‹Eyebite› Yasha! It's cleared out pretty well
01/07/2008 20:20:21 ‹Skeld› Mothman, that's what i said!!
01/07/2008 20:20:27 ‹Blazej› Backlash!
01/07/2008 20:20:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bah . . .
01/07/2008 20:20:35 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Noooooo! :ohnoes:
01/07/2008 20:20:36 ‹Pete› Cause lord knows there isn't enough elf artwork
01/07/2008 20:20:37 ‹Yoda8myhead› there was no backlash
01/07/2008 20:20:38 ‹Mothman› backlash??
01/07/2008 20:20:41 ‹Yoda8myhead› unless it was on your end
01/07/2008 20:20:41 ‹greengrunt› Damn.. I'll have to order the Companion
01/07/2008 20:20:42 ‹cappadocius› A backlash?!
01/07/2008 20:20:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› [-o>
01/07/2008 20:20:55 ‹greengrunt› well.. there were a few dissenter cappa
01/07/2008 20:20:55 ‹James Jacobs› Scary California Fires! :shock:
01/07/2008 20:21:00 ‹cappadocius› I I had a Star or a Shield or a Chibi-Otyugh, I'd've squelched any backlash.
01/07/2008 20:21:01 ‹Mothman› who lashed whose back? And why wasnt I involved?
01/07/2008 20:21:02 ‹greengrunt› er.. dissenters
01/07/2008 20:21:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yeah, we have a few of those here too.
01/07/2008 20:21:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Um
01/07/2008 20:21:15 ‹Pete› Oh yah, the fires! How's the 'rents house doing?
01/07/2008 20:21:20 ‹cappadocius› I'll have no dissent on my watch!
01/07/2008 20:21:21 ‹Blazej› Its like the weather.
01/07/2008 20:21:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› :whipit:
01/07/2008 20:21:24 ‹Lilith› Blame Yoda8myhead!
01/07/2008 20:21:25 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> I know! Hopfefully we'll fix the elf art shortage with this book...
01/07/2008 20:21:29 ‹Lilith› He said we could wait!
01/07/2008 20:21:35 ‹cappadocius› ELF art shortage?
01/07/2008 20:21:38 ‹Yasha› Isn't 'Chibi-Otyugh' an oxymoron?
01/07/2008 20:21:39 ‹cappadocius› What about GNOMES?
01/07/2008 20:21:43 ‹cappadocius› MOAR GNOMEZ PLZ
01/07/2008 20:21:49 ‹Yoda8myhead› I was bluffing!
01/07/2008 20:21:50 ‹Mothman› Tensor is a dissenter,,,,
01/07/2008 20:21:55 ‹Mothman› I hear
01/07/2008 20:21:56 ‹Yoda8myhead rolls dice› 1d20 » + 4 = 4
01/07/2008 20:21:56 ‹James Jacobs› The fire that was menacing the Point Arena region has mellowed out, at least...
01/07/2008 20:21:58 ‹Eyebite› Er...back...Hey daigle. My hello was snuffed by IE
01/07/2008 20:22:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gnomes swarms
01/07/2008 20:22:03 ‹cappadocius› I dunno. You look at Hill Giant, and you tell me that's not a Chibi-Otyugh.
01/07/2008 20:22:05 ‹Yoda8myhead› and I rolled a 4 on the bluff check!?
01/07/2008 20:22:06 ‹Yasha› Good point Cappadocius. I too would like to see more examples of the Pathfinder Gnome.
01/07/2008 20:22:10 ‹Blazej› Washington has a heavy rain, California has flaming hills. Similar situations.
01/07/2008 20:22:23 ‹Lilith› Blazej, and in Oregon we get both! Wheee!
01/07/2008 20:22:28 ‹Hill Giant› Chibi-Otyughs have no power, but on the other hand, we can say "cockpuncher" with impunity
01/07/2008 20:22:29 ‹Eyebite› Calaveras county was on fire....all dry grass....and was dumping into San Joaquin County....the sky was orange for a few days
01/07/2008 20:22:31 ‹greengrunt› I would love to get a ditty from Paizo on the gnome culture
01/07/2008 20:22:34 ‹James Jacobs› SO! The 2nd Pathfinder Companion is about elves. The 4th one (due out in April) should be about another race... any nominations?
01/07/2008 20:22:35 ‹Eyebite› air advisories..the works
01/07/2008 20:22:41 ‹cappadocius› man, I wish I could say that.
01/07/2008 20:22:43 ‹Lilith› Hill Giant, That's right! :D
01/07/2008 20:22:49 ‹Daigle› Is there a fire season in the west like we have hurricane season at the gulf?
01/07/2008 20:22:52 ‹Mothman› Gnomes!
01/07/2008 20:22:54 ‹greengrunt› Orcs
01/07/2008 20:22:55 ‹Yoda8myhead› half-orcs
01/07/2008 20:22:55 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Gnomes!
01/07/2008 20:22:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› centaur
01/07/2008 20:23:01 ‹Lilith› Daigle, yes
01/07/2008 20:23:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dwarves? I know you don't like them quite as much though . . .
01/07/2008 20:23:05 ‹Eyebite› Kind of...it's called summer :)
01/07/2008 20:23:09 ‹David :P› James Jacobs, an obscure one!
01/07/2008 20:23:11 ‹Yoda8myhead› humans
01/07/2008 20:23:11 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs: One of the following: Flumphs, Dinosaurs, Otyughs, Grippli, or Intellect Devourers.
01/07/2008 20:23:12 ‹greengrunt› The Hold of Belkzen is fascinating to me
20:23:20 ‹Skeld› Gnomes!
01/07/2008 20:23:24 ‹Eyebite› We had, at one point....over 800 fires in California
01/07/2008 20:23:26 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Gnomes or Dwarves
01/07/2008 20:23:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gorbels?
01/07/2008 20:23:28 ‹Yoda8myhead› cappa, not Ankhegs?
01/07/2008 20:23:29 ‹David :P› Flumohs!
01/07/2008 20:23:32 ‹cappadocius› MOAR GNOMEZ PLZ
01/07/2008 20:23:35 ‹Skeld› high five Lilith
01/07/2008 20:23:39 ‹David :P› Flumph*
01/07/2008 20:23:43 ‹cappadocius› Yoda, Ankhegs aren't intelligent.
01/07/2008 20:23:45 ‹James Jacobs› It DOES have to be one of the main player races. We wanna get those all covered first.
01/07/2008 20:23:46 ‹Daigle› Not dwarves!
01/07/2008 20:23:47 ‹Yasha› Eyebite, I heard yesterday the number reached 1400 fires.
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01/07/2008 20:23:50 ‹cappadocius› oh.
01/07/2008 20:23:58 ‹cappadocius› Then definitely MOAR GNOMEZ PLZ
01/07/2008 20:24:01 ‹Blazej› Half-orcs? They need love. And art.
01/07/2008 20:24:04 ‹James Jacobs› SO: dwarves, half-elves, half-orcs, gnomes, or halflings.
01/07/2008 20:24:06 ‹Eyebite› damn...
01/07/2008 20:24:14 ‹Lilith› Gnomes! :gninja:
01/07/2008 20:24:14 ‹greengrunt› Hmm.. (flipping through PF Gaz)
01/07/2008 20:24:17 ‹tensor› Gnomes are like Cow Bells. We *need* more Cow Bell !
01/07/2008 20:24:19 ‹Yoda8myhead› humans?
01/07/2008 20:24:21 ‹Daigle› Gnomes or halflings, unless you can get away with humans. ;)
01/07/2008 20:24:27 ‹Pete› From a marketing standpoint you proabably should do dwarves
01/07/2008 20:24:28 ‹James Jacobs› Humans get covered in the other ones.
01/07/2008 20:24:30 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Tensor
01/07/2008 20:24:38 ‹greengrunt› God I love that skit
01/07/2008 20:24:40 ‹David :P› dwarfs then gnomes
01/07/2008 20:24:42 ‹BM› I vote for gnomes, followed by half-orcs. Both need some love.
01/07/2008 20:24:44 ‹Mothman› You can call it The Book of Gnome Love 'Cos They're Not Getting Enough Love From Other Quarters Just Now
01/07/2008 20:24:45 ‹James Jacobs› As in; when we do a Cheliax Player's Companion, we'll cover Chelaxians.
01/07/2008 20:24:46 ‹Eyebite› halflings....there is so much potential for them in PF....unlike in previous editions/gameworlds. The whole enslaved thing is pretty cool
01/07/2008 20:24:46 ‹David :P› then halflings
01/07/2008 20:24:48 ‹Yoda8myhead› I say gnomes or half-orcs
01/07/2008 20:24:53 ‹Daigle› dwarves have lice
01/07/2008 20:24:54 ‹David :P› and halfelfs
01/07/2008 20:24:57 ‹David :P› and half orcs
01/07/2008 20:25:03 ‹tensor› greengrunt: me too. That skit is even referenced in my new accounting text book. :-?
01/07/2008 20:25:05 ‹Ross› Half race racial books seem silly, and halflings are lower on myy priority list. So I restate dwarves or gnomes.
01/07/2008 20:25:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . so there's no love for dwarves?
01/07/2008 20:25:10 ‹greengrunt› Gnomes for me
01/07/2008 20:25:14 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, so does that mean that we'll get Garundi or Keleshites in AP4?
01/07/2008 20:25:17 ‹Yasha› Honestly, I'd have to say Gnomes. Gnomes never seem to get enough love. In most iterations of D&D their 'culture' is usually the most non-existant and uncreative. We need to set a new trend and establish a real characterization for what is a really interesting race.
01/07/2008 20:25:23 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, I like dwarves.
01/07/2008 20:25:26 ‹James Jacobs› I think I wanna do the halfling one in #8, so that'll be around during the Cheliax Adventure Path. Halflings have a pretty big role there.
01/07/2008 20:25:32 ‹Mothman› KEJR: I love dwarves ... if it gets cold enough
01/07/2008 20:25:35 ‹Eyebite› Makes sense
01/07/2008 20:25:38 ‹greengrunt› reason why gnomes interest me.. PF gnomes are rather secretive
01/07/2008 20:25:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
01/07/2008 20:25:43 ‹tensor› Gnomes are genetically bankers & investors.
01/07/2008 20:25:49 ‹Eyebite› Gnomes could be really cool too
01/07/2008 20:25:57 ‹Blazej› I have lots of infomation for other races, but half-orcs seem to get the short end of the stick, although that might be just their thing about half-races.
01/07/2008 20:25:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› so it's every other Companion as a racial book?
01/07/2008 20:26:01 ‹greengrunt› It would be cool to get an insight into their hidden forest enclaves
01/07/2008 20:26:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm not against any race being featured, it was just my :2cp:
01/07/2008 20:26:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> In AP4, we'll talk about Keleshites, I suspect.
01/07/2008 20:26:22 ‹tensor› most Gnomes are good at Stochastic Calculus. Or, so I hear.
01/07/2008 20:26:27 ‹cappadocius› How long before Vudrans?
01/07/2008 20:26:38 ‹David :P› tensor, are you a gnome?
01/07/2008 20:26:43 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, when is the next product announcement?
01/07/2008 20:26:47 ‹tensor› I am a dissenter.
01/07/2008 20:26:50 ‹James Jacobs› At this point... it's looking like it's gonna follow this pattern: 1 (AP player's guide); 2 (race); 3 (region)
01/07/2008 20:26:52 ‹Yoda8myhead› ditto Skeld
01/07/2008 20:27:06 ‹David :P› i dont think that is a race...
01/07/2008 20:27:08 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, as in, the next few months' woth of PF's
01/07/2008 20:27:09 ‹Yasha› Btw, James, thank you and Paizo for actually making a game that was culturally diverse. Personally I find nothing more fun than seeing two paladins dueling over cultural differences. I've had this happen before.
01/07/2008 20:27:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› Is a dissenter like an exit?
01/07/2008 20:27:14 ‹tensor› I learned that from John Nash. He won a Nobel Prize for the idea 'you should always dissent.' Smart guy.
01/07/2008 20:27:25 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> I suspect later this month we'll be announcing the Q1 stuff.
01/07/2008 20:27:34 ‹greengrunt› Q1?
01/07/2008 20:27:37 ‹Skeld› cool, thanks
01/07/2008 20:27:44 ‹Pete› I would suggest then that you cover the race most important to that AP
01/07/2008 20:27:44 ‹cappadocius› We haven't had Q4 announcements!
01/07/2008 20:27:46 ‹David :P› aww later this month :(
01/07/2008 20:27:48 ‹Yoda8myhead› Will the location books tie in with the APs or will you leave that for Chronicles supplements
01/07/2008 20:27:58 ‹James Jacobs› We've made the Q4 anouncements.
01/07/2008 20:28:00 ‹Skeld› Q1 = Jan-Apr
01/07/2008 20:28:01 ‹cappadocius› Wait, FISCAL quarters.
01/07/2008 20:28:02 * Yoda8myhead has a cat climbing on his chest which makes it difficult to type
01/07/2008 20:28:02 ‹Pete› Halflings = Cheliax, as you mentioned
01/07/2008 20:28:03 ‹cappadocius› yes, you have.
01/07/2008 20:28:04 ‹Blazej› Finally got my degree.
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01/07/2008 20:28:13 ‹greengrunt› Oh ok.. Quarter
01/07/2008 20:28:18 ‹Pete› Gotta have the product tie-ins!
01/07/2008 20:28:19 ‹greengrunt› got it
01/07/2008 20:28:31 ‹Ross› Blazej, grats.
01/07/2008 20:28:34 ‹cappadocius› But Vudra! When is it?
01/07/2008 20:28:34 ‹James Jacobs› That's stuff like "Into the Darklands," "Guide to Absalom," "PF Companion: Elves," "Pactstone Pyramid," etc.
01/07/2008 20:28:37 ‹Pygon› congrats Blaze :)
01/07/2008 20:28:39 ‹greengrunt› grats Blaze
01/07/2008 20:28:54 ‹tensor› I just made another Paizo order today. :)
01/07/2008 20:29:00 ‹James Jacobs› Yay
01/07/2008 20:29:08 ‹Yoda8myhead› Blazej, did Pgon mail it to you? Cause I am still waiting for my cards he sent me
01/07/2008 20:29:19 ‹James Jacobs› Vudra got some hook up in Pathfinder #9, and there probably won't be MUCH more for a while.
01/07/2008 20:29:24 ‹Lilith› Yay! Darklands stuff! :D
01/07/2008 20:29:28 * cappadocius sniffles.
01/07/2008 20:29:31 ‹greengrunt› I need to wait a bit for my next Paizo order :sad:
01/07/2008 20:29:35 ‹cappadocius› But Vudra is the coolest place on Golarion!
01/07/2008 20:29:38 ‹Yoda8myhead› soooo, what about those 19 planes?
20:29:58 ‹Pete› MD-80?
01/07/2008 20:30:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nope
01/07/2008 20:30:02 ‹Yoda8myhead› nope
01/07/2008 20:30:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not at all
01/07/2008 20:30:04 ‹greengrunt› I don;t mind
01/07/2008 20:30:08 ‹David :P› tensor probably
01/07/2008 20:30:08 ‹Yasha› Gimme!
01/07/2008 20:30:08 ‹tensor› James Jacobs: not at all
01/07/2008 20:30:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› [-o>
01/07/2008 20:30:11 ‹cappadocius› I'm not opposed. I am opposed to anyone protesting. I have a knife.
01/07/2008 20:30:14 ‹Eyebite› nope
01/07/2008 20:30:16 ‹Rambling Scribe› bring it!
01/07/2008 20:30:17 ‹Mothman› Of course, no matter how many people ask for the next book to be about gnomes (or dwarves or whatever), you'll get people outcrying that "You should have done dwarves (or gnomes) first! It doesn't make any sense!" (and possibly : "Therefore I'm leaving...";)
01/07/2008 20:30:23 ‹Yoda8myhead› I rolled a 4 on my bluff check tellign you to wait. You must have gotten a natural 1 on your sense motive
01/07/2008 20:30:23 ‹Blazej› Thanks, it only took two months-ish for me too get it.
01/07/2008 20:30:31 ‹Mothman› James: 19 planes it is!
01/07/2008 20:30:33 ‹James Jacobs› SO! There's the Inner Sphere and the Outer Sphere. (Those are our words for Inner Planes and Outer Planes.)
01/07/2008 20:30:47 ‹greengrunt› :dance:
01/07/2008 20:31:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Working for me so far . . .
01/07/2008 20:31:23 * Lilith listens in rapt attention.
01/07/2008 20:31:25 ‹James Jacobs› The Inner Sphere Includes: Material Plane, Ethereal Plane, Shadow Plane, Positive Energy Plane, Negative Energy Plane, Plane of Air, Plane of Water, Plane of Earth, and Plane of Fire.
01/07/2008 20:31:36 ‹Ross› So far so good.
01/07/2008 20:31:37 ‹James Jacobs› Those are all pretty much boilerplate planes.
01/07/2008 20:31:42 ‹Yoda8myhead› sounds familiar
01/07/2008 20:31:48 ‹David :P› normal stuff so far...
01/07/2008 20:31:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› YES . . . real fricking elemental planes!
01/07/2008 20:31:49 ‹James Jacobs› Ones that are more or less required by the nature of the game and the various spells.
01/07/2008 20:31:55 ‹Eyebite› sounds familiar...which is a good thing .... :)
01/07/2008 20:32:19 ‹cappadocius› Indeed.
01/07/2008 20:32:22 ‹James Jacobs› The Inner Sphere is connected to the Outer Sphere via the Astral Plane (again, one that's a boilerplate plane).
01/07/2008 20:32:28 ‹cappadocius› Can't have D&D without those, sadly.
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01/07/2008 20:32:41 ‹James Jacobs› I wouldn't say "sadly"
01/07/2008 20:32:44 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, as opposed to?
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01/07/2008 20:32:48 ‹greengrunt› hi AMA
01/07/2008 20:32:52 ‹James Jacobs› More like: It's NOT D&D without them.
01/07/2008 20:32:53 ‹Daigle› Howdy AMA
01/07/2008 20:32:57 ‹Eyebite› Ooh,...I like the Astral Plane acting as a "gateway plane"
01/07/2008 20:33:04 ‹tensor› Cessna?
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01/07/2008 20:33:17 ‹greengrunt› So the Astrak surrounds the Inner Sphere??
01/07/2008 20:33:20 ‹James Jacobs› ANYway. There are 9 major outer planes. One for each alignment.
01/07/2008 20:33:23 ‹greengrunt› er.. Astral
01/07/2008 20:33:25 ‹AMA› Hi.
01/07/2008 20:33:40 ‹Yoda8myhead› do they move around or are they stationary?
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01/07/2008 20:33:52 ‹James Jacobs› Astral surrounds the inner sphere, yes. And it's often shown in maps of the multiverse as being a dot at the center of the outer sphere.
01/07/2008 20:33:53 * Yoda8myhead sorta wanted the planes to be like a giant rubics cube
01/07/2008 20:33:55 ‹cappadocius› Only nine. Interesting.
01/07/2008 20:34:06 ‹greengrunt› Coolness!
01/07/2008 20:34:08 ‹Ross› No great wheel syle half alignment planes? That's probably best.
01/07/2008 20:34:11 ‹James Jacobs› If they move... they don't do so in the three dimensions we inhabit. So technically, no, they don't move.
01/07/2008 20:34:21 ‹Dalvyn› Nice touch, that dot idea
01/07/2008 20:34:22 ‹Pete› only the chaotic ones move...
01/07/2008 20:34:28 ‹tensor› 4 dimensions
01/07/2008 20:34:33 ‹James Jacobs› SO: The nine planes of the Outer Sphere:
01/07/2008 20:34:33 ‹tensor› 3 space + 1 time
01/07/2008 20:34:37 ‹James Jacobs› LG: Heaven
01/07/2008 20:34:41 ‹Mothman› true...
01/07/2008 20:34:46 ‹James Jacobs› NG: Nirvana
01/07/2008 20:34:51 ‹James Jacobs› CG: Elysium
01/07/2008 20:34:56 ‹James Jacobs› LN: Axis
01/07/2008 20:35:01 ‹James Jacobs› N: The Boneyard
01/07/2008 20:35:03 ‹Ross› tensor, we may or may not actually inhabit time.
01/07/2008 20:35:06 ‹James Jacobs› CN: The Maelstrom
01/07/2008 20:35:12 ‹James Jacobs› LE: Hell
01/07/2008 20:35:15 ‹James Jacobs› NE: Abaddon
01/07/2008 20:35:18 ‹James Jacobs› CE: The Abyss
01/07/2008 20:35:26 ‹Yasha› The Boneyard!? :shock: Cool!
01/07/2008 20:35:29 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Elysium is CG? It makes sense, but it'll confuse some of the grogs.
01/07/2008 20:35:30 ‹tensor› Ross: we can measure time, so it is a dimension.
01/07/2008 20:35:38 ‹Lilith› As in Pharasma's Boneyard?
01/07/2008 20:35:42 ‹Ross› tensor, that doesn't mena we inhabit it, though.
01/07/2008 20:35:44 ‹Pete› Jay Buhner has his own plane?
01/07/2008 20:35:45 ‹tensor› Ross: dimensions can be measured
01/07/2008 20:35:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Pharasma's Boneyard.
01/07/2008 20:35:47 ‹Eyebite› I like it....I like it a lot
01/07/2008 20:35:51 ‹Yoda8myhead› Boneyard is Pharasma's place, right?
01/07/2008 20:35:58 ‹Yoda8myhead› scooped
01/07/2008 20:36:01 ‹greengrunt› Same .. very interesting
01/07/2008 20:36:04 ‹Mothman› And Nirvana is no longer mechanical ... which is cool
01/07/2008 20:36:06 ‹AMA› I would've thought of Nirvana as pretty Lawful...
01/07/2008 20:36:16 ‹Yoda8myhead› So are the other 8 outer planes run by a deity each?
01/07/2008 20:36:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Interesting
01/07/2008 20:36:23 ‹Pete› AMA: Your idea of Nirvana maybe
01/07/2008 20:36:24 ‹tensor› Ross: that is not the way it works.
01/07/2008 20:36:31 ‹James Jacobs› And yeah... the Elysium thing was a tough call. We were calling the CG plane "Olympus" for a LONG time, but we decided to scratch that because the CG plane is more like a vast wildland and not a Grecian mountain.
01/07/2008 20:36:33 ‹Yoda8myhead› do they wear plaid in Nirvana
01/07/2008 20:36:47 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
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01/07/2008 20:36:51 ‹Daigle› Cool, I dig Elysium
01/07/2008 20:37:03 ‹James Jacobs› Same with Nirvana; it's the "nicest" place in the outer planes, therefore the place that's the "most good"
01/07/2008 20:37:06 ‹Daigle› Better than Olympus...excellent call
01/07/2008 20:37:11 ‹AMA› Well, I mean, in real-life. It's all about discipline and abstinence and self-control.
01/07/2008 20:37:13 ‹Yasha› Nice
01/07/2008 20:37:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Plus, "Olympus" always has Greek Mythology baggage, which may o rmay no tbe bad . . .
01/07/2008 20:37:18 ‹James Jacobs› But "most good" doesn't mean safest.
01/07/2008 20:37:27 ‹tensor› I need to log. Thank you James.
01/07/2008 20:37:30 ‹cappadocius› Technically, Nirvana is the extinguishing of all desire and identity, AMA.
01/07/2008 20:37:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yoda8myhead: :razz:
01/07/2008 20:37:38 ‹greengrunt› Later tensor
01/07/2008 20:37:43 ‹cappadocius› bye tensor! I love you!
01/07/2008 20:37:43 ‹Mothman› Nirvana is the highest happiness
01/07/2008 20:37:47 ‹Yoda8myhead› c ya tensor
01/07/2008 20:37:54 ‹AMA› Well, yes, but achieved by lawful means.
01/07/2008 20:37:55 ‹cappadocius› If you're one of those hippie Mahayanas.
01/07/2008 20:37:58 ‹James Jacobs› Olympus probably DOES exist in Elysium... but there's more than that there.
20:38:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› One way or the other, I like the alignment based outer planes being back.
01/07/2008 20:38:18 ‹Hill Giant› How much is Axis like "Mechanus"?
01/07/2008 20:38:20 ‹Dalvyn› I agree. It's good to see them back. :)
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01/07/2008 20:38:33 ‹cappadocius› Do all "solar systems" have the same Outer Planes?
01/07/2008 20:38:41 ‹Yoda8myhead› so James, about the Boneyard. Is that the same boneyard with a spire in the middle as in Dragonfall?
01/07/2008 20:38:44 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> Not at all. Axis is the largest city in the multiverse. It's the Primal City. The First City.
01/07/2008 20:38:51 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Nope.
01/07/2008 20:38:52 ‹Daigle› I'm really happy y'all went with spheres instead of rings or wheels or whatnot
01/07/2008 20:38:59 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, cool
01/07/2008 20:39:00 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Abadar's city?
01/07/2008 20:39:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Axis = Home of Abadar?
01/07/2008 20:39:11 ‹James Jacobs› The boneyard is where all mortal souls go to be judged and sorted and then sent on to their final reward or punishment by Pharasma.
01/07/2008 20:39:16 ‹Lilith› Daigle, agreed. Spheres are cool.
01/07/2008 20:39:20 ‹James Jacobs› Axis is indeed where Abadar lives, but he's not in charge of it.
01/07/2008 20:39:36 ‹Yoda8myhead› James, so was Dragonfall created to emulate this, since it's the dragons' equivalent?
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01/07/2008 20:40:05 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Probably not. Dragonfall is, unfortunately, not fitting well with the rest of Golarion.
01/07/2008 20:40:07 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, to define deities and their roles in the planes, is anybody really "in charge" of a plane? It doesn't seem to be so (which is fine by me).
01/07/2008 20:40:27 ‹Yoda8myhead› those mean Dragons
01/07/2008 20:40:38 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I'm not sure what we're gonna do with Dragonfall, to be honest. But it's not really something that was created consciously by us to reflect the Boneyard.
01/07/2008 20:41:01 ‹greengrunt› So Dragonfall is in for some major tweaking?
01/07/2008 20:41:02 ‹Yoda8myhead› maybe that's your solution
01/07/2008 20:41:13 ‹Yoda8myhead› the similarity between the two when I read the Gaz was striking
01/07/2008 20:41:15 ‹Pete› Seems like for the lawful planes someone has to be in charge.
01/07/2008 20:41:18 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Some gods might CLAIM to be in charge of a plane, but I doubt any are. Asmodeus tells everyone he's in charge of Hell, for example... but anyone who's been there knows that's not the case.
01/07/2008 20:41:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Ah-hah....I see now. ;)
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01/07/2008 20:41:38 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Probably a bit of parallel design.
01/07/2008 20:41:43 ‹Eyebite› So..should we consider Pathfinder canon....and the individual modules less so?
01/07/2008 20:42:01 ‹Dalvyn› Side question ... are modrons part of open content?
01/07/2008 20:42:07 ‹Lilith› Dalvyn, they are not
01/07/2008 20:42:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nope.
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01/07/2008 20:42:13 ‹Lilith› inevitables are
01/07/2008 20:42:18 ‹Dalvyn› Aw. Thanks.
01/07/2008 20:42:21 ‹Yasha› brb
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01/07/2008 20:42:31 ‹cappadocius› God, I wish Modrons were Open.
01/07/2008 20:42:33 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Writing Lilith
01/07/2008 20:42:35 ‹Daigle› Howdy garmel
01/07/2008 20:42:37 ‹greengrunt› Hi Garmel
01/07/2008 20:42:38 ‹cappadocius› Inevitables are weak sisters.
01/07/2008 20:42:42 ‹Writing Lilith› Hey garmel!
01/07/2008 20:42:53 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Sort of. The earlier modules are the part of the world I had the least "control" over, and as a result a fair amount of stuff in there hasn't been supported as well as it should have been by the larger products, and in some cases has already been overwritten by the larger products.
01/07/2008 20:42:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, and its cool that now they can be enforcers of Order instead of "planar mercenaries" Grumble
01/07/2008 20:43:02 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs, do enough people come BACK from Hell to dispute Asmodeus' claims?
01/07/2008 20:43:17 ‹James Jacobs› Going forward... I'm more in charge of the whole show back here in the editorial pit, so I'm hoping that weirdness in the modules won't happen as often.
01/07/2008 20:43:30 ‹greengrunt› :D
01/07/2008 20:43:32 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, yay! Consistency is good.
01/07/2008 20:43:39 ‹Eyebite› Ah sounds good. :)
01/07/2008 20:43:40 ‹Yoda8myhead› that's a shame about Dragonfall. I really like it
01/07/2008 20:43:43 ‹Daigle› In frickin' deed
01/07/2008 20:43:45 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Depends on who you ask. ;)
01/07/2008 20:43:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Is the general information about the dragon deities still in place though?
01/07/2008 20:43:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yes
01/07/2008 20:43:57 ‹James Jacobs› Absolutely.
01/07/2008 20:43:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool
01/07/2008 20:44:10 ‹James Jacobs› I still haven't had a chance to actually READ any of the modules, in fact...
01/07/2008 20:44:14 ‹AMA› I'd reckon Asmodeus has about as much claim to in charge of Hell as anyone, though.
01/07/2008 20:44:20 ‹James Jacobs› Well... read them in depth, at least.
01/07/2008 20:44:21 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I figured this would happen with Dragonfall. It made sweeping statements aobut the nature of dragons in the whole world.
01/07/2008 20:44:28 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah
01/07/2008 20:44:29 ‹cappadocius› Oh! I asked this one the forums, but don't know if I saw an answer - will SKR's Gods book cover non-evil worshippers of evil deities?
01/07/2008 20:44:32 ‹Yoda8myhead› so James, is there a universally o commonly accepted creation myth for Golarion?
01/07/2008 20:44:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I liked Dahak entering the picture. I used him in a campaign a long tim ago.
01/07/2008 20:44:39 ‹Yoda8myhead› or...
01/07/2008 20:44:59 ‹James Jacobs› That's one thing I want to ramp back on in the modules. There was a big tendency for them to go overboard and do TOO MUCH in their 32 pages.
01/07/2008 20:45:08 ‹Blazej› Does Pharasma judge all souls from the whole multiverse, or a "smaller" subset of it?
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01/07/2008 20:45:43 ‹garmel› hi ya'll
01/07/2008 20:45:46 ‹Blazej› Like, if an elf in space dies, does Pharamsa get to judge?
01/07/2008 20:45:55 ‹Daigle› What was the Golarian deity total again? Beyond the ones listed.
01/07/2008 20:45:57 ‹Eyebite› hm...do you have a list in mind of gamemaster mods that *are* ok canonically, and those that aren't,....or have elements that are being overwritten?
01/07/2008 20:45:58 ‹Pete› Agreed on the modules. Scope was a problem
01/07/2008 20:46:09 ‹James Jacobs› A 32 page module is not the place to try to make huge sweeping generalizations about dragons, really. It should, instead, give you a short adventure about dragons that has little meta-continuity with the whole world and focuses more on being a kick-ass adventure and less on being a too-short gazetteer.
01/07/2008 20:46:27 ‹greengrunt› Good point
01/07/2008 20:46:31 * Timitius joins Main
01/07/2008 20:46:38 ‹Daigle› Howdy Tim!
01/07/2008 20:46:40 ‹greengrunt› Hey Tim!
01/07/2008 20:46:41 ‹Writing Lilith› TIMMMMMMEH!
01/07/2008 20:46:43 ‹Yoda8myhead› Anson's gonna get a :whipit:
01/07/2008 20:46:45 * Writing Lilith runs over and glomps Timitius
01/07/2008 20:46:48 ‹Pete› TIMMMM!
01/07/2008 20:46:51 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> The gods book will have some stuff about worshipers... but it's mostly about the gods.
01/07/2008 20:46:53 ‹Daigle› How's that run for Emperor going?
01/07/2008 20:47:06 ‹Timitius› GAh! Uh...Hi Lilith!
01/07/2008 20:47:09 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Yup. Pharasma judges all souls from the whole multiverse.
01/07/2008 20:47:17 ‹cappadocius› Ah well.
01/07/2008 20:47:19 ‹Timitius› Hi everyone.
01/07/2008 20:47:28 ‹cappadocius› Guess I'm on my own for my CN Gnomish cleric of Rovagug.
01/07/2008 20:47:40 ‹James Jacobs› If an elf in space dies, he goes to the Boneyard just as his sister does when she dies in the Sodden Lands or his brother dies in the Abyss.
01/07/2008 20:47:58 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> I may have misunderstood your qustion.
01/07/2008 20:48:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Unless the demons hide him real good . . . :D
01/07/2008 20:48:12 ‹James Jacobs› There's nothing that says you can't do a CN Gnome cleric of Rovagug.
01/07/2008 20:48:13 ‹Blazej› Man that family split up.
01/07/2008 20:48:31 ‹Hill Giant› cappadocius, He wants to destroy the second world, so the first world can reign supreme?
01/07/2008 20:48:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, and I feel sorry for the poor elf in the transporter accident . . .
01/07/2008 20:48:40 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> There are 20 core deities. There are an additional 10 major other gods. There are countless other minor gods and lesser racial gods.
01/07/2008 20:49:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Sorry, stoped talking about Star Trek a while ago . . . :D
01/07/2008 20:49:04 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs: Yes, but what does that branch of the religion look like? With Asmodeus, you can slice the line between LN and LE with a knife. But the CE deities can have CN worshippers, and that is, I hope, a thicker line.
01/07/2008 20:49:13 * Pete is still imaging Jay Buhner in charge of the Boneyard
01/07/2008 20:49:20 ‹Timitius› Wait...elves in space? Pointy ears? Green blood. Uh...those aren't elves.....
01/07/2008 20:49:22 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> It wasn't really Anson's fault; he wrote pretty much what was asked of him. It was more of a mixup in what the modules were supposed to be tackling here at Paizo.
01/07/2008 20:49:52 ‹Yoda8myhead› I know. I was kidding
01/07/2008 20:49:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› I imagine that some evil gods have a better portfolio for neutral followers than others.
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01/07/2008 20:50:14 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> What you'll be wanting to look for, I suspect, are the longer deity writeups in Pathfinder. There won't be enough room to cover minor splinter sects or heretics in the Gods book for ALL of the deities. BUT: I haven't seen the final words for it... so who KNOWS what Sean put in there?
01/07/2008 20:50:22 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night all. have fun
01/07/2008 20:50:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Justin
01/07/2008 20:50:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Did everyone make it back from Origins safe and sound?
01/07/2008 20:50:31 ‹Writing Lilith› Night Justin! :glomp:
01/07/2008 20:50:31 ‹greengrunt› Night Justin
01/07/2008 20:50:32 ‹Timitius› Writing Lilith, watchya writing??
01/07/2008 20:50:39 ‹Daigle› Night Justin
01/07/2008 20:50:41 ‹Writing Lilith› :typerhappy:
01/07/2008 20:50:44 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
01/07/2008 20:50:48 ‹Writing Lilith› Timitius, Right now, stat blocks.
01/07/2008 20:50:58 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs: That was my suspicion, but I always hope that my weird fringe interests might slip into an earlier rather than later release. :)
01/07/2008 20:51:14 ‹James Jacobs› Rambling> As far as I know, yup! They all made it back. James Sutter was out at a DIFFERENT con (one for Planet Stories and book stuff) and he was out sick today, though...
01/07/2008 20:51:19 * Fatespinner @ Home joins Main
01/07/2008 20:51:27 ‹James Jacobs› And most of the other folk who went to Origins only worked a half day today.
01/07/2008 20:51:28 ‹Writing Lilith› Fatey! :squee: :glomp:
01/07/2008 20:51:28 ‹cappadocius› I mean, judging by these chats, I'm not going to be REALLY excited about Pathfinder until around 2010-2011.
01/07/2008 20:51:34 ‹greengrunt› Hi Fate
01/07/2008 20:51:35 ‹Daigle› Howdy Fatey
01/07/2008 20:51:39 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Hey! That's right! It's Tuesday! Hehe, and I just came here looking for Lilith. :D
01/07/2008 20:51:40 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Ha!
01/07/2008 20:51:41 ‹Timitius› Rambling Scribe, Jason is rarely safe, but reasonably sound....sometimes.
01/07/2008 20:51:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, are there any gods that have followers that don't fit the "one step" rule that AREN'T heretics?
01/07/2008 20:51:49 ‹Pete› We want more pics from Origins! With beta copies blown up
01/07/2008 20:51:59 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> nope
01/07/2008 20:52:06 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Hola James and assembled guests.
01/07/2008 20:52:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gotcha
01/07/2008 20:52:10 ‹James Jacobs› AHOY Fate!
01/07/2008 20:52:15 ‹Writing Lilith› Fatespinner @ Home, hey there! :D
01/07/2008 20:52:25 ‹James Jacobs› Wait... there MIGHT be some actual heretics
01/07/2008 20:52:32 ‹James Jacobs› In fact, I'm sure there are.
01/07/2008 20:52:37 ‹Ross› KnightErrantJR, James Jacobs, followers or Clerics? I can see a LG Elf still worshiping Desna. Just not getting spells.
01/07/2008 20:52:40 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Hm? Heresy? PURGE THE NONBELIEVERS!
01/07/2008 20:52:50 ‹James Jacobs› I'm sure, for example, there are some Iomedaian heretics in Mendev.
01/07/2008 20:52:51 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› Er... um... heh...
01/07/2008 20:52:53 ‹Dalvyn› Will the info in the god book be mostly excerpts from the campaign sourcebook, or will there be new info in it too?
01/07/2008 20:52:53 ‹Yoda8myhead› was there an answer I missed on the creation myth?
01/07/2008 20:53:04 ‹Writing Lilith› Yoda8myhead, no answer...:(
01/07/2008 20:53:07 * Yoda8myhead changes his/her nickname to Yoda
01/07/2008 20:53:08 ‹Pete› James: How about that PF plug from Mearls at Origins?
01/07/2008 20:53:11 ‹cappadocius› You did not miss anything.
01/07/2008 20:53:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› I just meant that, for example, Tempus back in 2nd edition actually had clerics of all alignments, even though he was CN, that sort of thing.
01/07/2008 20:53:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pete: what plug?
01/07/2008 20:53:39 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> But at the same time... the thing is... I'm not sure someone who WAS lawful would be devoted enough to follow Desna's carefree teachings.
01/07/2008 20:53:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› But I really like heretics.
01/07/2008 20:53:55 ‹cappadocius› oh! After Lamashtu, what is the most common "Monster God"?
01/07/2008 20:54:03 ‹Writing Lilith› cappadocius, I'd think Rovagug
01/07/2008 20:54:16 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Every race on Golarion has its own creation myth. Every religion has a variant on that. We aren't nailing down any one of them as the "Right One."
01/07/2008 20:54:18 ‹cappadocius› Well, that's just because he's too awesome for words.
01/07/2008 20:54:36 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> Rovagug is the biggest monster god after Lamashtu. After HIM? Various demon lords.
01/07/2008 20:54:41 ‹cappadocius› but Lamashtu, right now, seems like she'd be the most powerful goddess based on sheer volume of worshippers.
01/07/2008 20:54:50 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> What plug was that?
01/07/2008 20:54:57 ‹Pete› RS:http://www.critical-hits.com/2008/06/30/mike-mearls-everything-you-wante d-to-know-about-fourth-edition/
01/07/2008 20:55:04 ‹Pete› scroll down a bit
01/07/2008 20:55:18 ‹Blazej› I want to know the gnomes creation myth.
01/07/2008 20:55:37 ‹James Jacobs› Dalvyn> The god book info will have new info. Lots of new spells. The Campaign sourcebook has about 450 words per deity; the God book will have about 1400 words per deity.
01/07/2008 20:55:45 ‹Yoda› will these varying myths be covered in the Companions?
01/07/2008 20:56:05 ‹Timitius› Q: Opinion of Pathfinder? A: Whenever there’s a new edition of D&D, there are some people who buy all new stuff, some people who wait to decide, and some people who like the way it is now so won’t change. Pathfinder is good for people who don’t want to move. It’s good for everyone since it keeps people playing games. Jason Buhlman is a friend of Mike’s, and now Jason is going through the same thin
01/07/2008 20:56:17 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> We'll get to the gnome myths eventually. We don't know what they are yet.
01/07/2008 20:56:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yes. There'll be something about how the elves view creation in the elf one, for example. The Osirion one might talk about how THEY think it all came about. Etc.
01/07/2008 20:56:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm betting it has something to do with some kind of serendipitous accident . . .
01/07/2008 20:57:14 ‹Timitius› There. Mearls' PF comment/plug
01/07/2008 20:57:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› For the gnomes I mean . . . :)
01/07/2008 20:57:24 ‹Daigle› I love it! Leaving them open ended and not choosing one as THE truth is awesome and very real.
01/07/2008 20:57:41 ‹Skeld› Timitius, that doesn't seem much like a plug...
01/07/2008 20:57:47 ‹Hill Giant› We all know it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster...
01/07/2008 20:58:02 ‹Pete› All Hail FSM!
01/07/2008 20:58:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pete: Thanks! Interesting.
01/07/2008 20:58:07 ‹Pygon› IT's a plug for people who want to stay with a supported 3.5
01/07/2008 20:58:11 ‹James Jacobs› Ah. Mike's PF comment sounds somewhat evasive. He doesn't really say much about Pathfinder at all, just that "Yeah, some people don't want change systems. That's to be expected."
01/07/2008 20:58:33 * Russ quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 20:58:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, not that their choice, I don't know, might have some merit . . .
01/07/2008 20:58:41 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, sounds more like "that's the sort of thing you like if you like that sort of thing"
01/07/2008 20:58:42 ‹James Jacobs› SO: My reaction to Mike's "plug" is to just shrug and go back to work on Pathfinder stuff.
01/07/2008 20:58:46 ‹Mothman› Well ... he probably can't say its awesome, and can't say it sucks....
01/07/2008 20:58:51 ‹Timitius› I'd call it a comment. Pete calls it a plug. It's words....
01/07/2008 20:58:57 ‹Ross› At best, he's trying to keep the 3.5 market from fracturing behind lots of 3.5 replacements.
01/07/2008 20:59:15 ‹Yoda› he said more about publishers issuing new rules and ganking all of open content to sell their own product
01/07/2008 20:59:28 ‹cappadocius› Unless Mike Mearls is one of the 19 planes, we're off-topic!
01/07/2008 20:59:31 ‹Skeld› Yoda, i was about to mention that....
01/07/2008 20:59:33 * cappadocius waves his knife around.
01/07/2008 20:59:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gigity.
01/07/2008 20:59:53 * Yoda casts shatter on cappa's knife
01/07/2008 20:59:57 ‹Skeld› cappadocius, change your name to "Stabby McKillyou"
01/07/2008 21:00:06 ‹Pete› "Pathfinder is good for people who don’t want to move." <shrug>
01/07/2008 21:00:10 ‹Eyebite› or Stabby McStabberson
01/07/2008 21:00:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› I had a player that wanted to name his barbarian that.
01/07/2008 21:00:24 ‹Pete› As opposed to something else for people who don't want to move
01/07/2008 21:00:26 ‹James Jacobs› Honestly? The concept of Mike having anything but glowing praise for the OGL seems like it would be self-deluding; he's where he is today BECAUSE of the OGL, after all... but yeah. Mike Mearls has little to do with the outer planes or Stabby the Barbarian.
01/07/2008 21:00:28 ‹Pygon› Gigity?
01/07/2008 21:00:28 ‹Ross› :stabbity::stabbity:
01/07/2008 21:00:35 ‹Skeld› KnightErrantJR, that makes my smite button finger itchy
01/07/2008 21:01:07 ‹Pete› ookaay... moving on then :-)
01/07/2008 21:01:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, speaking of that , does Gorum have a "Valhalla"?
01/07/2008 21:01:23 ‹Dalvyn› He makes he sounds like it's either: "I want to change", or "I am waiting, I might change later", or "I do not want to change". Strangely enough, he forgets about "I am ready to change, but not THAT much."
01/07/2008 21:01:24 ‹James Jacobs› He probably does.
01/07/2008 21:01:26 ‹cappadocius› You say the outer planes are spheres, James, so does that mean they don't "border" each other? or are they concentric? I vaguely recall the planar map of ages ago, but...
01/07/2008 21:01:34 ‹Pygon› any juicy bits to share about Darkmoon Vale? Or did I miss that part...
01/07/2008 21:01:35 ‹Dalvyn› But yes ... planes are a more interesting topic.
01/07/2008 21:01:35 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, is there an outer plane caleed Mike Mearls?
01/07/2008 21:01:37 ‹James Jacobs› Gorum's afterlife is probably something akin to an endless battlefield.
01/07/2008 21:01:38 * Vizagrim joins Main
01/07/2008 21:01:47 ‹Skeld› hehe
01/07/2008 21:01:55 ‹greengrunt› Hi V
01/07/2008 21:01:56 ‹cappadocius› Rovagug's afterlife is the Big Rock Candy Mountain.
01/07/2008 21:02:08 ‹Hill Giant› What is the Maelstrom like?
01/07/2008 21:02:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Somewhere between the Norse view and, say, Crom's? :lol:
01/07/2008 21:02:19 ‹cappadocius› Hill Giant: North Jersey.
01/07/2008 21:02:23 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> The best metaphor for how the multiverse is set up is to think of it all like an onion.
01/07/2008 21:02:27 ‹Writing Lilith› Vizagrim! Hey there!
01/07/2008 21:02:27 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> yes.
01/07/2008 21:02:33 ‹greengrunt› James>any chance you guys will be doing an in-depth sourcebook on the Witch Queen Enclave?
01/07/2008 21:02:36 ‹Blazej› Where in the world do petitioners of Rovagug go?
01/07/2008 21:02:43 ‹cappadocius› hm. So what's the "skin" of the Onion?
01/07/2008 21:02:45 ‹Vizagrim› Heya Lilith
01/07/2008 21:02:48 ‹Hill Giant› It stinks?
01/07/2008 21:02:51 ‹Blazej› Where in the planes do petitioners of Rovagug go?
01/07/2008 21:02:53 ‹cappadocius› Blaze: The Big Rock Candy Mountain!
01/07/2008 21:03:02 ‹cappadocius› Blaze: Which is in the Abyss.
01/07/2008 21:03:03 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> The Maelstrom was mentioned a little bit in last Wednesday's blog.
01/07/2008 21:03:07 ‹Hill Giant› it makes you cry?
01/07/2008 21:03:11 ‹Mothman› The outer planes are smelly, and make you cry
01/07/2008 21:03:17 ‹Pygon› it's like Shrek.
01/07/2008 21:03:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Parfaits have layers . . . everybody likes parfaits . . .
01/07/2008 21:03:20 ‹Blazej› Ah/
01/07/2008 21:03:22 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes. Irrisen is one of my favorite nations, so eventually we WILL do something with it.
01/07/2008 21:03:30 ‹Eyebite› unless you wear plane goggles
01/07/2008 21:03:30 ‹greengrunt› Awesome!!
01/07/2008 21:03:37 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, yay! Baba Yaga = WIN! :D
01/07/2008 21:03:45 ‹cappadocius› Eyebite: Or cut the planes under water.
01/07/2008 21:03:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Baba Yaga is indeed cool.
01/07/2008 21:03:57 ‹greengrunt› Aye
01/07/2008 21:04:05 ‹Yoda› [-X enough silly!
01/07/2008 21:04:19 ‹Ross› More Baba Yaga!
01/07/2008 21:04:21 ‹cappadocius› Yes. I'm still curious what the outer layer of the planar onion is.
01/07/2008 21:04:23 ‹Eyebite› Baba Yaga is cool.....some pseudo-russian stuff would be pretty sweet
01/07/2008 21:04:25 ‹Mothman› Cappa: I tried that, but I couldn't find an ocean big enough (or a knife)
01/07/2008 21:04:26 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Petitioners of Rovagug? That's a tough question. Because he sort of dwells in the 20th plane I haven't mentioned. I suspect the majority of his faithful end up in the Maelstrom or the Abyss, thoguh, depending on Pharasma's judgement.
01/07/2008 21:04:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, with Kostchiechie (sp?) have any tie to "the old witch" ?
01/07/2008 21:04:34 ‹Pete› Will any of the 10 new gods talked about soon be for monsters?
01/07/2008 21:05:02 ‹cappadocius› Oh! Sneaky! Twentieth Plane! A Carceri that isn't a revolving door like in Bog-Standard D&D!
01/07/2008 21:05:07 * Russ quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:05:07 ‹Yoda› 20th plane?
01/07/2008 21:05:14 ‹cappadocius› Rovagug's Prison.
01/07/2008 21:05:17 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> All of Golarion's scholars and mystics are equally curious about what the outer layer of the planar onion is. IF it even exists...
01/07/2008 21:05:21 ‹Hill Giant› Do the CN gods have like islands of stability in the Maelstrom?
01/07/2008 21:05:36 ‹James Jacobs› The Abyss might just be infinite, digging as far into the "outer edge" as it needs to go.
01/07/2008 21:05:38 ‹Yoda› flight 815?
01/07/2008 21:05:40 ‹Ross› So Rovagug is trapped outside of reality itself?
01/07/2008 21:05:41 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> yes
01/07/2008 21:05:46 ‹cappadocius› James Jacobs: So I imagine then, they argue about what the planes "float" in, too?
01/07/2008 21:05:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Whoo hoo
01/07/2008 21:06:00 ‹Blazej› Ok, I wasn't just sure if Rovagug would want to just DESTROY THE PUNY WORSHIPERS
01/07/2008 21:09:09 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that "Armageddon Engine" could also refer to whatever process it is by which Rovagug squirts out spawn like the Tarrasque.
01/07/2008 21:09:14 * Russ quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:09:30 ‹Blazej› Eww.
01/07/2008 21:09:42 ‹Ross› I agree. Eww.
01/07/2008 21:09:42 * Yoda quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:09:45 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes, they do. There are 9 hells, for example, and 666 layers of the Abyss, and I believe 2 elysiums (one above ground and one below).
01/07/2008 21:09:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, on the WAY off chance that the Tarrasque ever shows up, will it be "advanced" I was a big fan of the CR 30 Tarrasque in the Ecology article.
01/07/2008 21:09:47 ‹Pygon› *poit*
01/07/2008 21:09:48 ‹Mothman› Odds Bodkins!
01/07/2008 21:10:03 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The first world is NOT mentioned in the planar descriptions! It's true!
01/07/2008 21:10:05 ‹greengrunt› it states that the Armageddon Engine was "locked away" in the PFC Gaz
01/07/2008 21:10:14 * cappadocius peers suspiciously.
01/07/2008 21:10:14 ‹Writing Lilith› Mothman, Sink Me!
01/07/2008 21:10:33 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> it does. Which makes it sound like it's another colloquialism for "Tarrasque"
01/07/2008 21:10:41 ‹greengrunt› So could be a really, really nasty artifact??
01/07/2008 21:10:45 * Jason Bulmahn joins Main
01/07/2008 21:10:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Jason!
01/07/2008 21:10:52 ‹greengrunt› Hey Jason
01/07/2008 21:10:53 ‹Pygon› hi Jason!
01/07/2008 21:10:53 ‹Mothman› Hey Jason
01/07/2008 21:10:53 ‹cappadocius› So, does that mean the Fey and the Gnomes come from another PLANET, or a demiplane, or what?
01/07/2008 21:10:54 ‹Blazej› HELLO!
01/07/2008 21:11:02 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason!
01/07/2008 21:11:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Howdy everybody
01/07/2008 21:11:10 ‹Mothman› Cappa: another reality?
01/07/2008 21:11:13 ‹cappadocius› Or is this what the lovely In Nomine line developer always called Canon Doubt and Uncertainty?
01/07/2008 21:11:16 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› Heya Jason!
01/07/2008 21:11:18 ‹Fatespinner @ Home› It's the Bull-Man!
01/07/2008 21:11:19 ‹Daigle› Beyond time
01/07/2008 21:11:19 ‹Rambling Scribe› Jason!
01/07/2008 21:11:27 ‹Pete› Which Plane does Bulmahn rule?
01/07/2008 21:11:29 ‹Writing Lilith› BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLMAN! :glomp: :thug:
01/07/2008 21:11:31 ‹Eyebite› Hey Jason
01/07/2008 21:11:32 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn!
01/07/2008 21:11:33 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Nah; if "Armageddon Engine" isn't the tarrasque... it's nothing.
01/07/2008 21:11:34 ‹cappadocius› Mothman: Ohhhhh, no. We're not bringing in parallel material planes! I refuse!
01/07/2008 21:11:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› How is everybody doin tonight?
01/07/2008 21:11:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› So Jason, destressed from the Beta yet?
01/07/2008 21:11:40 ‹Daigle› Fey are beyond time. They don't completely live in this world
01/07/2008 21:11:41 ‹Blazej› Beta-land!
01/07/2008 21:11:45 ‹Rambling Scribe› You owe Pharasma a soul!
01/07/2008 21:11:47 ‹James Jacobs› As in it's something that we'll retcon away if it's not the tarrasque.
01/07/2008 21:11:48 ‹greengrunt› Ok... ty for that JJ :D
01/07/2008 21:11:52 ‹Pygon› mildly ok
01/07/2008 21:11:54 ‹Blazej› Betalia!
01/07/2008 21:11:54 ‹cappadocius› No, they live partially int he First World, Daigle.
01/07/2008 21:11:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Knight> Getting there
01/07/2008 21:12:01 ‹Mothman› James: Are each (or any) of the outer and inner sphere planes infinite?
01/07/2008 21:12:08 ‹cappadocius› I'm trying to pin down the nature thereof!
01/07/2008 21:12:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> This is true
01/07/2008 21:12:16 ‹Blazej› PRPGia!
01/07/2008 21:12:22 ‹Daigle› Think dimensions.
01/07/2008 21:12:30 ‹cappadocius› No, no, no!
01/07/2008 21:12:35 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> The First World is weird. It's not really another plane. it's more like another dimension. The "rough draft" of Golarion.
01/07/2008 21:12:40 ‹Daigle› I don't really know...I"m just riffing
01/07/2008 21:12:42 ‹cappadocius› nnng.
01/07/2008 21:12:52 ‹greengrunt› is there any chance that anybody could unlock the Tarrasque? :twisted:
01/07/2008 21:12:53 ‹Mothman› Ha! Cappa, you got dimensions!
01/07/2008 21:12:56 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, I'm going to ask you what you think of the debate on alignments that happened last week on the boards.
01/07/2008 21:12:56 ‹cappadocius› Does it have "rough drafts" of the Inner and Outer Planes, too?
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01/07/2008 21:13:00 ‹James Jacobs› Nope
01/07/2008 21:13:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› I think it works pretty well as a sort of kinda alternate prime . . .
01/07/2008 21:13:04 ‹Daigle› Boom!
01/07/2008 21:13:13 ‹Pete› How's the weather in Ohio?
01/07/2008 21:13:20 ‹Mothman› Jason, how was Origins?
01/07/2008 21:13:20 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, is that sort of analogous to the evolutionary stages of middle earth?
01/07/2008 21:13:24 ‹James Jacobs› We aren't really ready to talk much about the First World yet, to be honest. We're still sorting out what it is.
01/07/2008 21:13:27 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> I am not really caught up on that.. I was at Origins nearly all of last week
01/07/2008 21:13:42 ‹Skeld› hey jason, nice to see you
01/07/2008 21:13:46 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› Lets just hope that the 'First World' is not linked to Golarion via the Lovecraftian dimensions. That would be bad.
01/07/2008 21:13:47 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> yes. There will be an adventure path some day that revolves around the Tarrasque getting unlocked. I guarantee that.
01/07/2008 21:13:48 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> Hot and sticky.. but not as bad as it has been in previous years
01/07/2008 21:13:50 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Hi Jason!
01/07/2008 21:13:59 ‹cappadocius› Please, as you work it out, please give some thought to us poor, minority comographers out there.
01/07/2008 21:14:02 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, ah. I'll ask you about it next week, then.
01/07/2008 21:14:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Heya James....
01/07/2008 21:14:11 ‹cappadocius› oh, god. The Lovecraftian stuff.
01/07/2008 21:14:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> That would be better
01/07/2008 21:14:13 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> I have no idea. My Tolkein-fu does not account for that much Middle Earth lore.
01/07/2008 21:14:15 ‹Pygon› sweet, official Tarrasque adventure!
01/07/2008 21:14:19 ‹cappadocius› That's a whole OTHER kettle of worms.
01/07/2008 21:14:20 ‹Pete› It's a wet heat
01/07/2008 21:14:34 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> Yeah.. which is terrible
01/07/2008 21:14:39 ‹Pete› I'm sure Indiana in August will be so much better
01/07/2008 21:14:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
01/07/2008 21:14:47 ‹greengrunt› Humidity sucks
01/07/2008 21:14:48 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, LOL I just read "Hot and sticky.. but not as bad as it has been in previous years", without the question. GAH!!!
01/07/2008 21:14:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> Not really.. no
01/07/2008 21:14:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› My favourite part of the weather at Origins was when the waitress at the bar made us change tables because of the tornado warnings-- we were too close to the window.
01/07/2008 21:15:07 ‹Ross› Rambling Scribe, hah!
01/07/2008 21:15:07 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> In any case, the First World will indeed be something weird and other that doesn't necessarilly fit in well with the "onion" view of the multiverse.
01/07/2008 21:15:15 ‹Pete› I joke, as I grew up in Indiana. One of the reasons I enjoy Seattle so much.
01/07/2008 21:15:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> Yup.. that was terrible.. she made me stay downstairs and drink more.. aweful
01/07/2008 21:15:25 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› brb, must butcher some food for carnivorous geckos...
01/07/2008 21:15:26 ‹greengrunt› Hey Scribe, was your waitress cute?
01/07/2008 21:15:29 ‹Mothman› MAybe the First World is outside the onion
01/07/2008 21:15:36 * Russ quit (timeout)
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01/07/2008 21:15:41 ‹Russ› I'm using one of Jame's critters! Nabassu for teh win :)
01/07/2008 21:15:43 ‹Russ› (right now, that is)
01/07/2008 21:15:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: I don't remember...
01/07/2008 21:15:54 ‹cappadocius› It's... frustrating, but I can live with one weird thing.
01/07/2008 21:15:58 ‹Mothman› She was no Elmore's wife....
01/07/2008 21:15:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› The first world doesn't have layers, so its more like a turnip.
01/07/2008 21:15:59 ‹Eyebite› or the first world is a demiplane?
01/07/2008 21:16:07 ‹James Jacobs› Yasha> The First World is not linked to the Lovecraft stuff. The Lovecraft stuff is mostly linked to the Material Plane. They're essentially aliens. OR they're from other places that lie between the nine outer planes, or elsewhere.
01/07/2008 21:16:10 ‹greengrunt› Oh..it was one of"those" bars :razz:
01/07/2008 21:16:13 ‹Pete› So where are the beta spoilers from Origins posted?
01/07/2008 21:16:18 ‹Mothman› It's primordial soup
01/07/2008 21:16:21 ‹greengrunt› :rofl: @Moth
01/07/2008 21:16:40 ‹cappadocius› hm.
01/07/2008 21:16:44 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Nah. The First World is mostly concerned only with Golarion, I believe. it's not really something that encompasses EVERYTHING.
01/07/2008 21:16:45 ‹Russ› I'm using one of Jame's critters! Nabassu for teh win :)
01/07/2008 21:16:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> They are not.. as far as I know.. but I am hoping to do a wrap up on my blog shortly.. and to post some up on the Paizo boards
01/07/2008 21:16:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› I didn't know how much alcohol was in a long island iced tea. I kept thinking "Why am I so drunk, I've only had five or six..."
01/07/2008 21:17:01 ‹greengrunt› LMAO
01/07/2008 21:17:03 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> Ha
01/07/2008 21:17:04 ‹Russ› (right now, that is)
01/07/2008 21:17:09 ‹Writing Lilith› Rambling Scribe, LMAO!!! :rofl:
01/07/2008 21:17:16 ‹Pete› Looking forward to the spoiler love
01/07/2008 21:17:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, speaking of unique planar creatures . . . any equivalents to the Princes of Elemental evil?
01/07/2008 21:17:23 ‹James Jacobs› Nabassus! They're AWESOME. (as demons, they are. Not as a gargoyle subtype. Grr)
01/07/2008 21:17:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Rambling> All I remember is reminding you that they actually do not contain any tea
01/07/2008 21:17:36 ‹Pygon› :shock:
01/07/2008 21:17:40 ‹Mothman› James: cool, Im throwing suggestions out there... something like the world's first draft maybe? (which then got mostly overwritten)
01/07/2008 21:17:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Why the hell did . . . never mind . . . dropping it . . .
01/07/2008 21:17:46 ‹Ross› Rambling Scribe, that's apparently a classic mistake. The thing to realize is that there is not any tea in a long island iced tea.
01/07/2008 21:17:50 ‹Blazej› Hmm. I'm just thinking of the origin stories of the Aboleths and imagining them jumping from the first world to the next, to the next,....
01/07/2008 21:17:50 ‹Pygon› probably best.
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01/07/2008 21:18:08 ‹Timitius› Lots of gin, though.
01/07/2008 21:18:14 ‹greengrunt› Oh yeah, is Celwynvian going to be covered in depth in the 3rd AP James?
01/07/2008 21:18:14 ‹Pygon› and ice
01/07/2008 21:18:16 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I'm SURE we'll have something akin to the Princes of Elemental Evil. We don't yet. But we will.
01/07/2008 21:18:18 ‹cappadocius› Then, when they got to the Fourth World, they got their aboleth asses kicked by Kirby-esque deities.
01/07/2008 21:18:19 ‹Rambling Scribe› I knew about no tea... just not how much actual liquor...
01/07/2008 21:18:20 ‹Eyebite› Just a splash of coke....meaning the bartender shakes his wrist briefly and a few drops of coke land in the cup.
01/07/2008 21:18:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Darkseid . . .
01/07/2008 21:18:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› Love the Elemental Princes.
01/07/2008 21:18:59 ‹Pete› Which Plane has the best mixed drinks?
01/07/2008 21:19:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Elysium.
01/07/2008 21:19:22 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Aboleths aren't from the First World. They're more likely aliens OR they're the first form of life to gain intelligence on Golarion in a time before the gods came by to tinker.
01/07/2008 21:19:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› When I got back to my hotel room, my brothers had made a fake person out of pillows in my bed. I was totally freaked out.
01/07/2008 21:19:36 ‹Mothman› James: I thought Nabassu were demons? Didn't know you wrote them though - for some reason I thought they'd been around for donkey's years
01/07/2008 21:19:40 ‹Blazej› cappadocius, I'm sorry. When I read that the first thing to come to mind was strange.
01/07/2008 21:19:41 ‹Timitius› Pandemonium. Crazy bartenders.....
01/07/2008 21:19:43 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Scribe
01/07/2008 21:19:44 ‹Hill Giant› Rambling Scribe, LOL
01/07/2008 21:19:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› I didn't know what to do.
01/07/2008 21:19:47 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, cool.
01/07/2008 21:19:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, none of that "aboleths were from the original world before the split off" crap here.
01/07/2008 21:19:57 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> yes. Pathfinder 15's adventure is actually set in Celwynvian. And Jason is writing that adventure. RIGHT NOW!
01/07/2008 21:20:06 ‹greengrunt› AWESOME!
01/07/2008 21:20:18 ‹greengrunt› oops.. can't wait for that one
01/07/2008 21:20:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Umm... yes.. yes I am
01/07/2008 21:20:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Holy bartenders?
01/07/2008 21:20:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-)
01/07/2008 21:20:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
01/07/2008 21:20:41 ‹greengrunt› Rock on Jason! :D
01/07/2008 21:20:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› So much for declining stress levels.
01/07/2008 21:20:51 * Russ quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:21:02 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Knight> Its true
01/07/2008 21:21:16 ‹Pete› Right now? So the adventure has Long Island Iced Teas?
01/07/2008 21:21:21 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, I would appreciate a mention of Elvish moonwine.
01/07/2008 21:21:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> It does now
01/07/2008 21:21:34 ‹cappadocius› You know, for some reason, I can NOT help but picture Aroden as one of the New Gods.
01/07/2008 21:21:44 ‹cappadocius› Kirby dots and all.
01/07/2008 21:21:48 ‹Ross› Since it would fit some canon from my CotCT game.
01/07/2008 21:22:07 ‹greengrunt› You need to use the long island ice teas to get pass a real bad ass in Celwynvian!! :razz:
01/07/2008 21:22:08 ‹Skeld› good night everyone ... it's getting late cdt
01/07/2008 21:22:11 ‹Pete› I'm seeing a new Potion of Charisma...
01/07/2008 21:22:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Skeld
01/07/2008 21:22:21 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Skeld
01/07/2008 21:22:25 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Skeld!
21:22:21 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Skeld
01/07/2008 21:22:25 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Skeld!
01/07/2008 21:22:26 ‹greengrunt› er.. past a real bad ass.. night Skeld!
01/07/2008 21:22:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Skeld
01/07/2008 21:22:44 ‹Timitius› Pete, HA. Liquid Courage indeed.
01/07/2008 21:22:45 * Skeld quit
01/07/2008 21:23:44 ‹cappadocius› Dangit. And now Asmodeus is Ming the Merciless.
01/07/2008 21:23:55 ‹greengrunt› :D
01/07/2008 21:24:02 ‹cappadocius› This is going to color my reception of the Gods book, no doubt.
01/07/2008 21:24:04 * paul joins Main
01/07/2008 21:24:14 ‹Pete› So seriously, how is the writing going? You have the PF15 spoilers to post, right?
01/07/2008 21:24:17 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:24:27 ‹greengrunt› hi Paul
01/07/2008 21:24:29 ‹Daigle› Howdy paul
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01/07/2008 21:24:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> It is coming along.. and no, I do not have any spoilers to post.. that is James' job :-)
01/07/2008 21:24:52 ‹paul› hey
01/07/2008 21:24:53 ‹James Jacobs› yes. Pete has a VERY GOOD question!
01/07/2008 21:25:05 * Eyebite joins Main
01/07/2008 21:25:22 ‹James Jacobs› OH! I have a question for everyone!
01/07/2008 21:25:26 ‹Daigle› James, are you trying to get Jason to work?
01/07/2008 21:25:34 ‹greengrunt› let er rip sir!
01/07/2008 21:25:44 ‹James Jacobs› When you think of elves (Merisiel in particular) being all bad-ass and killing some sort of something in a big forest fight... what is it that they're killing?
01/07/2008 21:25:55 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Daigle> That is all he does....
01/07/2008 21:26:06 ‹Daigle› :)
01/07/2008 21:26:11 ‹greengrunt› Hmmm... goblonoids, gnolls
01/07/2008 21:26:13 ‹James Jacobs› AKA: What would it be cool to see Merisiel killing in a forest on the cover of the Pathfinder Player's Companion?
01/07/2008 21:26:13 ‹Pete› Bugbears
01/07/2008 21:26:15 ‹Mothman› demons
01/07/2008 21:26:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Green dragons, gray renders . . .
01/07/2008 21:26:27 ‹Mothman› demons
01/07/2008 21:26:27 ‹Daigle› James, weird beasties
01/07/2008 21:26:28 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, in a forest fight? Hrmm. My first thought is some sort of dire predator. Not a bear. Wolf of tiger.
01/07/2008 21:26:37 ‹greengrunt› A competely new and creepy forest monster
01/07/2008 21:26:46 ‹Ross› Even if 'dire tiger' means 'dire leopard'.
01/07/2008 21:26:54 ‹James Jacobs› Covers aren't great places to debut new monsters, alas.
01/07/2008 21:26:54 ‹cappadocius› Merisiel should be killing a Wolf-in-Sheep's-Clothing.
01/07/2008 21:26:55 ‹Pete› Owlbear perhaps
01/07/2008 21:27:00 ‹James Jacobs› HA!~
01/07/2008 21:27:01 ‹cappadocius› Alternately, a Vegipygmie.
01/07/2008 21:27:02 ‹Eyebite› a green, flightless dragon......all ganging up on it like ants, stabbing it over and over again
01/07/2008 21:27:04 ‹greengrunt› :sad:
01/07/2008 21:27:05 ‹James Jacobs› WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!
01/07/2008 21:27:08 ‹cappadocius› YES!
01/07/2008 21:27:11 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
01/07/2008 21:27:13 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› :lol:
01/07/2008 21:27:13 ‹James Jacobs› Vegypygmies live in the darklands, alas.
01/07/2008 21:27:16 ‹cappadocius› PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
01/07/2008 21:27:19 ‹Blazej› :)
01/07/2008 21:27:26 ‹cappadocius› WOLF-IN-SHEEP'S-CLOTHING! PLEASE!
01/07/2008 21:27:35 ‹greengrunt› Dammit... my MM is on loan!
01/07/2008 21:27:36 ‹cappadocius› I ask for so much but get so little!
01/07/2008 21:27:40 ‹cappadocius› Just this one little thing!
01/07/2008 21:27:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . we need OGL twig blight thingies . . .
01/07/2008 21:27:44 ‹Daigle› I dig the bugbear suggestion
01/07/2008 21:27:44 ‹James Jacobs› It shouldn't be something big, since it's not "THE PLAYER'S GUIDE TO BIG MONSTERS" after all. Merisial has to be the focus of the cover.
01/07/2008 21:27:45 ‹Mothman› Just put one in the background, a sort of easter egg...
01/07/2008 21:27:46 ‹Eyebite› or....just Merisiel stabbing it...heh
01/07/2008 21:27:57 ‹greengrunt› so is my Fiend Folio :shakefist:
01/07/2008 21:27:58 ‹Pete› I think it would be fun to have one of the monsters from classic monster revisited in their new 'guise'
01/07/2008 21:27:59 * Ross :stabbity:s cappy. He said nothing about that monster that will not be referred to again.
01/07/2008 21:28:02 ‹James Jacobs› Right now... the frontrunners are: Bugbears, Gnolls, or some sort of demon.
01/07/2008 21:28:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bugbear, ogre, that size?
01/07/2008 21:28:08 ‹Yoda› maybe a dryad?
01/07/2008 21:28:15 ‹Yoda› it's in the forest, right?
01/07/2008 21:28:18 ‹greengrunt› An ettin!!
01/07/2008 21:28:22 ‹cappadocius› Wolllllf-innnnn-sheeeeeeeeeep's-clooooottttthing.
01/07/2008 21:28:25 ‹Blazej› Invisible stalker?
01/07/2008 21:28:27 ‹greengrunt› Ettin!!
01/07/2008 21:28:29 ‹James Jacobs› Merisiel getting frisky with a dryad might make a cool cover too, actually. Hmm.
01/07/2008 21:28:34 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, of that choice, I'd say Bugbear or gnoll, but I'd still prefer the dire animal.
01/07/2008 21:28:46 ‹Mothman› How about a little girl on girl love - Merisiel vs a Succubus?
01/07/2008 21:28:48 ‹cappadocius› Owlbear?
01/07/2008 21:28:50 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, you'd sell lots of issues with the dryad cover.
01/07/2008 21:28:53 ‹cappadocius› or is that too big?
01/07/2008 21:28:53 ‹greengrunt› well.. if we're doing an erotic PF :razz:
01/07/2008 21:28:56 ‹Mothman› Ah ... beat me with the dryad
01/07/2008 21:28:59 ‹Hill Giant› Athach?
01/07/2008 21:29:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hobgoblin on a dire wolf or advanced worg?
01/07/2008 21:29:04 ‹Ross› Or the succubus cover, for that matter.
01/07/2008 21:29:05 ‹Eyebite› A large, heavily muscled bugbear, with a ton of daggers sticking out of him. And little Merisiel is standing there unscathed
01/07/2008 21:29:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Death from above!"
01/07/2008 21:29:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› "They came from the trees man"
01/07/2008 21:29:34 ‹greengrunt› Dire wolf... Chimera??
01/07/2008 21:29:37 ‹greengrunt› wait.. chimera was in AoW adventure path
01/07/2008 21:29:39 ‹cappadocius› Ooo! What about a Carbuncle?
01/07/2008 21:29:44 ‹greengrunt› scratch the chimera
01/07/2008 21:29:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dire Carbuncle
01/07/2008 21:30:02 ‹Eyebite› or manticore?
01/07/2008 21:30:05 ‹James Jacobs› Bugbears are pretty tempting, actually... since we'll have LOTS of opportunities to illustrate gnolls in Pathfinder #19...
01/07/2008 21:30:09 ‹greengrunt› A Night... damnit
01/07/2008 21:30:24 ‹greengrunt› Nightstalker??
01/07/2008 21:30:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› How about one of the "variant" bugbears?
01/07/2008 21:30:30 ‹cappadocius› Shambling Mound?
01/07/2008 21:30:34 ‹Yoda› Dryad!
01/07/2008 21:30:39 ‹greengrunt› too bloody tough :sad:
01/07/2008 21:30:41 ‹Blazej› Invisible stalker.... :note:
01/07/2008 21:30:43 ‹cappadocius› WOLF-IN-SHEEP'S-CLOTHING!
01/07/2008 21:30:45 ‹Pete› bugbear is my first choice. stick with old school, since that's your target audience
01/07/2008 21:30:57 * Absinth joins Main
01/07/2008 21:30:59 ‹Blazej› But I'll say bugbear.
01/07/2008 21:30:59 ‹cappadocius› My choice is more old school than a Bugbear!
01/07/2008 21:31:03 ‹cappadocius› well, maybe not.
01/07/2008 21:31:06 ‹greengrunt› Hi Absinth
01/07/2008 21:31:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Fiendish Half-dryad Bugbear . . .
01/07/2008 21:31:22 ‹Yoda› a female bugbear
01/07/2008 21:31:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Riding a dire carbuncle.
01/07/2008 21:31:29 ‹Yoda› we never see any female bugbears
01/07/2008 21:31:31 ‹Ross› Whatever the target is, if Mersiel is doing the stabbing, it needs to have several daggers sticking out of it already.
01/07/2008 21:31:35 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> How do you know?
01/07/2008 21:31:40 ‹Absinth› Good morning, Paizonians!
01/07/2008 21:31:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› good point
01/07/2008 21:31:46 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Agreed. Absolutly.
01/07/2008 21:31:48 ‹cappadocius› Assassin Vines? D&D never does badly with a little light bondage.
01/07/2008 21:32:00 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
01/07/2008 21:32:04 ‹Eyebite› I've heard sexing a bugbear is like sexing a chicken
01/07/2008 21:32:05 ‹Blazej› Gah!
01/07/2008 21:32:07 ‹Yoda› I'm saying in general
01/07/2008 21:32:09 ‹Hill Giant› Yoda, Seen the female bugbear in the 4E MM?
01/07/2008 21:32:14 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Absinth!
01/07/2008 21:32:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gah
01/07/2008 21:32:16 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, but more dangerous
01/07/2008 21:32:19 ‹Yoda› nope. no 4e for me
01/07/2008 21:32:29 ‹Ross› I further suggest that Mersiels rapier be broken, either in her hand as the action shot, or broken on the ground nearby.
01/07/2008 21:32:31 ‹greengrunt› Aye..I'm passing on 4E
01/07/2008 21:32:41 ‹Pygon› seeing a giant receiving a good butt whooping is fun
01/07/2008 21:32:42 ‹Hill Giant› Let's just say 4E is the boobies edition
01/07/2008 21:32:55 ‹Ross› cappadocius, http://xkcd.com/443/
01/07/2008 21:33:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› They're all the boobies edition...
01/07/2008 21:33:11 ‹cappadocius› Yes. My votes are, in order, Wolf-in-Sheep's-Clothing, Assassin Vines, angry Bear, or an Owlbear.
01/07/2008 21:33:41 ‹James Jacobs› BUGBEAR it is!
01/07/2008 21:33:44 * cappadocius is already disappointed, so go ahead and go with something /mainstream/
01/07/2008 21:33:47 * cappadocius sulks.
01/07/2008 21:34:08 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Merisiel's too tricksy to let a bugbear get to her rapier.
01/07/2008 21:34:14 ‹Absinth› What cover are you guys talking about?
01/07/2008 21:34:20 ‹Ross› My suggestions didn't help, but somehow I feel priveleed for having participated.
01/07/2008 21:34:23 ‹greengrunt› Meh cappa.. don't fret.. It'll ..umm.. work out:?: :razz:
01/07/2008 21:34:33 ‹cappadocius› PF15, I think, Absinth.
01/07/2008 21:34:46 ‹greengrunt› priveeed?
21:34:56 ‹Ross› greengrunt, privileged. Typo.
01/07/2008 21:34:57 ‹greengrunt› as in privy Ross?
01/07/2008 21:35:04 ‹Pete› Woo!
01/07/2008 21:35:06 ‹greengrunt› :razz:
01/07/2008 21:35:08 ‹James Jacobs› Nah, the cover to PF15 is a drow wizard with a quasit and a scene of a green dragon attacking a few iconics.
01/07/2008 21:35:11 ‹Pete› Bugbear Love!
01/07/2008 21:35:17 ‹Blazej› cappadocius, your suggestions are either types of bear or something with vines. Any reason?
01/07/2008 21:35:20 ‹James Jacobs› The Merisiel vs. Bugbear cover is going onto the 2nd Pathfinder Companion.
01/07/2008 21:35:31 ‹Eyebite› sweet
01/07/2008 21:35:36 ‹Daigle› Wheee!
01/07/2008 21:35:37 ‹cappadocius› greengrunt: Nah. It never does. James Jacobs just keeps me around as the token "Unrecognizable Spawn of Fashan variant" player.
01/07/2008 21:35:39 ‹Timitius› Owlbears! ROWWWRRRRRRR!!! Hoot.
01/07/2008 21:35:49 ‹James Jacobs› HAHAAH!
01/07/2008 21:35:51 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
01/07/2008 21:35:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Tim> Well remembered...
01/07/2008 21:35:55 ‹Eyebite› lol
01/07/2008 21:35:56 ‹Jason Bulmahn› brb
01/07/2008 21:36:31 ‹Pete› Oh, wait, sorry. Merisiel could have been fighting a Gnome, right?
01/07/2008 21:36:32 ‹cappadocius› Blaze: Fighting bears in the woods is recognizably and iconically "wilderness adventure" for me.
01/07/2008 21:36:45 ‹James Jacobs› The BEST Jason monster is still the otyugh. "I'M GONNA EEEEAT YOU!!!"
01/07/2008 21:36:47 ‹Timitius› Roar-hoot will always have a special place in my heart, Jason.
01/07/2008 21:36:58 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Nah. She thinks gnomes are cute and funny
01/07/2008 21:37:00 ‹cappadocius› Otyughs are awesome.
01/07/2008 21:37:05 ‹greengrunt› :D
01/07/2008 21:37:24 ‹cappadocius› One day, I'll play an Otyugh with class levels.
01/07/2008 21:37:33 ‹Blazej› Wizard!
01/07/2008 21:37:34 ‹cappadocius› maybe a Cleric of Iomedae.
01/07/2008 21:37:34 ‹greengrunt› After COTC.. no more otyughs for a while please... :lol:
01/07/2008 21:37:37 ‹Pygon› sneak attack digest!
01/07/2008 21:37:37 ‹cappadocius› or Shelyn.
01/07/2008 21:37:46 ‹greengrunt› er.. COCT
01/07/2008 21:37:48 ‹Blazej› Summon garbage!
01/07/2008 21:37:50 ‹Absinth› So, with the 2nd PF companion you mean Elves of Golarion?
01/07/2008 21:37:57 ‹greengrunt› damn.. Curse of the Crimson Throne
01/07/2008 21:38:01 ‹Pete› She probably doesn't want the know what the Gnomes think. Wacka-Wacka!
01/07/2008 21:38:13 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, OH YES. The Otyugh was great. Didn't Mike try and cast Prestigitation on someone, to spice him up for the otyugh?
01/07/2008 21:38:50 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, however....Goblin hookers were Jason's best.
01/07/2008 21:38:54 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Otyughs are awesome... made even more so by the fact that they can talk
01/07/2008 21:39:00 ‹Absinth› I just noticed that the real cover for the SDPG is up. Damn, cool artwork! It's so great that you put dutraits art on the cover!
01/07/2008 21:39:12 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Tim> Hey.. a goblin's got needs too
01/07/2008 21:39:20 ‹Timitius› Indeed.
01/07/2008 21:39:22 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I guess...yeah.
01/07/2008 21:39:23 ‹cappadocius› All right. Before I toddle off to bed, is there any news or PF spoilers to get me to dance and cheer before 2010?
01/07/2008 21:39:55 ‹Writing Lilith› What happens in 2010 cappadocius?
01/07/2008 21:39:57 ‹Timitius› You roleplayed that one well, I might add......;-)
01/07/2008 21:39:57 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> OMG. The goblin whores. Yeah. They were pretty awesome too.
01/07/2008 21:39:59 ‹Pete› Cappa: I heard there will be Bugbears on an upcoming cover.
01/07/2008 21:40:03 ‹James Jacobs› I miss that game. :(
01/07/2008 21:40:08 ‹greengrunt› I thought that was a bit humorous in RORL with the bugbear being harassed by the goblin wenches on Throntop??
01/07/2008 21:40:13 ‹James Jacobs› Zulshyn was so good at murder!
01/07/2008 21:40:17 ‹cappadocius› James finally lets all the cool stuff for PF get published, Lilith.
01/07/2008 21:40:37 ‹greengrunt› Crap... been so long since I read PF1
01/07/2008 21:40:52 ‹cappadocius› Rovagug, Vudra, First World, Green Planet...
01/07/2008 21:41:02 ‹Absinth› James, can you reveal what creatures can be seen in the shadows on the cover of the SDPG?
01/07/2008 21:41:02 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, Me too. That battle on the deck of the ship....Zulshyn had what? 3 confirmed crits with that damned spiked chain!
01/07/2008 21:41:23 ‹Urza› Absinth, i'm backing on Grimlocks :)
01/07/2008 21:41:28 ‹James Jacobs› In 2010, we'll have an adventure about a adfjsjkl;adfsjk;jkl;jl;af and it'll ROCK YOUR SOCKS, cappa!
01/07/2008 21:41:40 ‹greengrunt› Hi Urza
01/07/2008 21:41:50 ‹Pete› James: So how big is the stack of for work for SKR? What's he gonna work on?
01/07/2008 21:41:59 ‹Urza› greengrunt, hi
01/07/2008 21:42:15 ‹Urza› got lost in the smallville marathon i've been running
01/07/2008 21:42:21 * Urza is almost done with season 2
01/07/2008 21:42:21 * Sothal@work joins Main
01/07/2008 21:42:21 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> They were ordered as "creepy, half-seen monsters." My guess, though, is that they're probably morlocks.
01/07/2008 21:42:27 ‹Hill Giant› Do vegetarians make better editors?
01/07/2008 21:42:30 ‹greengrunt› :D
01/07/2008 21:42:37 ‹greengrunt› Hi Sothal
01/07/2008 21:42:39 ‹Yoda› James, can you reveal the name of the PF13 set piece?
01/07/2008 21:42:44 ‹Writing Lilith› Hill Giant, more edible at any rate...
01/07/2008 21:42:45 ‹James Jacobs› Tim> Yeah... she lopped of one ogre's head and killed another in like 1 round. That was the Crit Hit deck on FIRE!!!!
01/07/2008 21:42:45 ‹Eyebite› Morlocks! Nice
01/07/2008 21:42:48 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, morlocks... grimlocks... same beasty different IP :)
01/07/2008 21:42:51 ‹cappadocius› Lilith: You see what I put up with as a fan! You see? Mockery!
01/07/2008 21:42:53 ‹Daigle› Ha!
01/07/2008 21:43:02 ‹Writing Lilith› Yoda, it got revealed by Wesley Schneider. :)
01/07/2008 21:43:00 ‹Sothal@work› good morning
01/07/2008 21:43:03 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> One of Sean's first projects is actually gonna be the Elf book, I suspect.
01/07/2008 21:43:12 ‹James Jacobs› And in a weird turn of events... Gods and Magic...
01/07/2008 21:43:23 ‹Pygon› Crit Deck is nasty. The Bladebearer in RHoD got nailed for 54 points on a triple damage strike from a Scorching Ray :)
01/07/2008 21:43:25 ‹Pete› snort
01/07/2008 21:43:31 ‹cappadocius› Good night everyone! Mr. Jacobs, thank you for being so willing to share stuff about your baby.
01/07/2008 21:43:41 ‹greengrunt› G,night Cappa
01/07/2008 21:43:52 ‹Eyebite› night Cappa
01/07/2008 21:43:54 ‹Writing Lilith› Night cappadocius!
01/07/2008 21:44:00 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Cappa
01/07/2008 21:44:00 ‹Timitius› James??? You're having a BABY???????:shock:
01/07/2008 21:44:04 ‹Yoda› Writing Lilith, where?
01/07/2008 21:44:04 ‹Ross› Nighy cappy.
01/07/2008 21:44:13 ‹Timitius› :razz:
01/07/2008 21:44:14 ‹Yoda› Timitius, I think he meant Pathfinder
01/07/2008 21:44:16 ‹Writing Lilith› Timitius, He's referring to Pathfinder. :D
01/07/2008 21:44:22 ‹Writing Lilith› Yoda, lemme find it...
01/07/2008 21:44:22 * Vizagrim quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:44:25 ‹greengrunt› Quintuplets I hear
01/07/2008 21:44:27 ‹Pete› you thought that "sickness" was a cold?
01/07/2008 21:44:35 ‹Daigle› Night cappa
01/07/2008 21:44:36 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:44:41 ‹Writing Lilith› Yoda: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...#610846
01/07/2008 21:44:50 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, here's a fun question for you... did you guys catch the fact that the city of Eto (in osirion) is south west of Totra on the gazetteer map and south east of Totra on the J1 region map? :)
01/07/2008 21:45:01 ‹Timitius› Pete, :lol:
01/07/2008 21:45:15 * Samwise joins Main
01/07/2008 21:45:17 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The name of the PF13 set piece is "St. Caspieran's Salvation."
01/07/2008 21:45:23 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Urza> I did notice that...
01/07/2008 21:45:32 ‹Writing Lilith› Samwise! :D
01/07/2008 21:45:32 ‹Timitius› Damn, all that Nyquil......that's gonna be one funny lookin' baby....
01/07/2008 21:45:38 ‹Urza› Jason Bulmahn, so it got fixed for the campaign setting? :)
01/07/2008 21:45:42 ‹Hill Giant› Urza, Plate tectonics
01/07/2008 21:45:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Urza> It appears that a couple of towns shifted a bit for the gaz map
01/07/2008 21:45:46 ‹Pete› Tim: :-)
01/07/2008 21:45:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Urza> I am not sure...
01/07/2008 21:45:55 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Yeah... Pathfinder's the only baby I have time to coddle right now. AFTER GEN CON, I hope to add a lizard to that list.
01/07/2008 21:46:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› "The City of Many Feet"
01/07/2008 21:46:03 ‹Urza› Jason Bulmahn, grr so which version is the RIGHT version? :)
01/07/2008 21:46:13 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Gaz
01/07/2008 21:46:18 ‹Eyebite› which kind James?
01/07/2008 21:46:24 ‹greengrunt› You guys have a busy 2 months
01/07/2008 21:46:29 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, Falcon's Hollow is the city of many feet :)
01/07/2008 21:46:31 ‹Samwise› hi
01/07/2008 21:46:35 ‹greengrunt› Hi Samwise
01/07/2008 21:46:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› The Gaz would take precedent over everything.. until the Campaign Setting
01/07/2008 21:46:39 ‹Ross› If it's an iguana, I demand that it be named 'Jubjub'.
01/07/2008 21:46:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
01/07/2008 21:46:56 ‹Ross› Because I am a Simpsons geek.
01/07/2008 21:47:01 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I am with Ross on that one
01/07/2008 21:47:05 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> We did not. Another example of how the earlier modules were flying a little fast and loose at times, I guess.
01/07/2008 21:47:06 ‹Urza› Jason Bulmahn, precendent over everything except the location of Falcon's Hollow you mean, but thanks, good to know :)
01/07/2008 21:47:15 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› Leachianus James!
01/07/2008 21:47:28 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› Rhacodactylus Leachianus!
01/07/2008 21:47:39 ‹Timitius› I had two iguanas....named them Calaban and Malacoda.
01/07/2008 21:47:41 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that, in the end, the J1 map will be the one that's "wrong," in any case.
01/07/2008 21:47:43 ‹Yoda› what's this about City of Many Feet?
01/07/2008 21:47:54 ‹Pete› Jason: We've not seen/heard much re: Monte & PF since the initial announcement. What's the status with that anyway?
01/07/2008 21:47:56 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> What Yasha said.
01/07/2008 21:48:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› "It just got up and walked away"
01/07/2008 21:48:37 ‹Eyebite› Ah
01/07/2008 21:48:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> It continues.. but has grown quiet recently.. since the Beta is off to print
01/07/2008 21:48:45 ‹Yoda› I get it now
01/07/2008 21:48:46 ‹Yoda› funny
01/07/2008 21:48:48 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, only reason i really ask is because in J1 Eto is in the mountains, in the gazetteer it's in the middle of the desert.. so it kinda makes a difference if you need to go there :)
01/07/2008 21:49:20 ‹Pete› Jason: Anything in particular you can share that has the "MC" touch?
01/07/2008 21:49:38 ‹Absinth› Hey Sothal... Didn't notice you entering.
01/07/2008 21:49:45 ‹Timitius› Can't touch this...:dance2:
01/07/2008 21:49:57 * Urza touchs it
01/07/2008 21:50:01 ‹Blazej› It's in mountains of desert.
01/07/2008 21:50:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› eep
01/07/2008 21:50:11 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> well... obviously a number of the spell changes.. the DR changes... those were direct lifts/conversions.. most of his other influences were more subtle..
01/07/2008 21:50:12 ‹Pete› Or was it mostly him going "meh" on things?
01/07/2008 21:50:14 ‹Blazej› Mmmm ... desert.
01/07/2008 21:50:17 ‹Timitius› Can't touch this...[-X
01/07/2008 21:50:34 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, gah. The DR changes! It burns us!
01/07/2008 21:50:39 * Absinth gets a refill and worships the big, black coffee god
01/07/2008 21:50:39 * Urza cops a feel
01/07/2008 21:50:56 ‹Blazej› I'm fine with DR change!
01/07/2008 21:50:57 ‹Rambling Scribe› :coffee:
01/07/2008 21:51:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not a fan of the DR changes . . . but it won't be a deal breaker.
01/07/2008 21:51:20 ‹Yasha Feeding Geckos› Good night folks...alas I have work in about 4 hours. Dream of geckos and Pathfinder James. Bear in mind you are in for an addiction. In 1 year, we have gone from 1 tank to 23 tanks all with inhabitants....
01/07/2008 21:51:25 ‹Samwise› dr changes?
01/07/2008 21:51:26 ‹Pete› Well, it was nice of you to alow him some input. :-)
01/07/2008 21:51:29 ‹Hill Giant› I like tge DR changes - people need a reason to get big pluses instead of wacky specials
01/07/2008 21:51:33 ‹greengrunt› Night Yasha
01/07/2008 21:51:33 ‹Blazej› Night Yasha.
01/07/2008 21:51:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Knight/Ross> they change a bit again in the Beta
01/07/2008 21:51:37 ‹Urza› i dance around happily at better magic items bypassing DR... it means players don't need to carry golf bags around with them!
01/07/2008 21:51:39 ‹Timitius› Yes, but if you change your DR, you need to stay in network, or the HMO will screw you .
01/07/2008 21:51:39 ‹Eyebite› Night Yasha
01/07/2008 21:51:42 ‹Absinth› Night Yasha.
01/07/2008 21:51:50 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> Yeah. The map of Osirion in J1, remember, was created before we had our world map finalized. It's a sort of rough draft as a result. The map in the Gazetteer, and the more detailed map in the Hardcover, are the correct versions.
01/07/2008 21:51:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Yasha
01/07/2008 21:52:02 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, I hope you took my ideas, but I realize the odds of that are quite low.
01/07/2008 21:52:07 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Yasha
01/07/2008 21:52:14 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, more... detailed.. map...
01/07/2008 21:52:18 * Urza dies
01/07/2008 21:52:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Aw . . .
01/07/2008 21:52:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› Poor Urza
01/07/2008 21:52:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> I might have.. some of the changes were inspired directly from the boards
01/07/2008 21:52:45 ‹paul› how about a huge map for sale
01/07/2008 21:52:45 ‹Hill Giant› He shouldn't have touched it.
01/07/2008 21:52:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd cast Revivify but its not OGL
01/07/2008 21:52:57 * Pete wonders what Tim had for dinner - witty sandwich?
01/07/2008 21:53:00 ‹Timitius› Send....:zombie:....more :zombie:.........clerics.
01/07/2008 21:53:05 ‹Yoda› Jason, there was a lot of complaining about the domain powers. I wondered if you were planning on changing this?
01/07/2008 21:53:11 ‹Blazej› Breath of Life!
01/07/2008 21:53:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh yeah!
01/07/2008 21:53:27 ‹Eyebite› I still want a Golarion globe. *Realizes it may not be practical and is probably cost-prohibitive*
01/07/2008 21:53:34 ‹Sothal@work› Pete, rubberbiscuit!
01/07/2008 21:53:45 ‹paul› oh a globe thats cool
01/07/2008 21:54:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> In what way.. there were a lot of posts on a lot of things
01/07/2008 21:54:05 * punkmonkey joins Main
01/07/2008 21:54:14 ‹Yoda› Urza, I don't like the new DR, because at higher level everyone can bypass it and it becomes obsolete, and high level is when DR really kicks in
21:54:20 ‹greengrunt› Hi PM
01/07/2008 21:54:37 * punkmonkey :lick: Yoda
01/07/2008 21:54:38 ‹paul› myabe 8-16 panel
01/07/2008 21:54:43 ‹Yoda› Jason, that it's not backwards compatible because of all the other non-OGC domains, and prestatted NPCs
01/07/2008 21:54:45 * punkmonkey changes his/her nickname to ephealy
01/07/2008 21:54:49 ‹Urza› yoda... high level = high level DR
01/07/2008 21:54:52 ‹Daigle› Howdy Ed!
01/07/2008 21:54:54 ‹Writing Lilith› EEEEEEEEEED! :glomp: :lick:
01/07/2008 21:54:59 ‹paul› i will say no more :gninja:
01/07/2008 21:55:01 * Yoda wonders why he's being licked
01/07/2008 21:55:01 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Ed!
01/07/2008 21:55:04 ‹greengrunt› Hey Ephealy
01/07/2008 21:55:05 ‹Sothal@work› Ed!
01/07/2008 21:55:11 ‹Pete› Sothal: We're on a Mission from God
01/07/2008 21:55:20 ‹Yoda› hi ed
01/07/2008 21:55:20 ‹ephealy› James AND Jason!?! We are loved...
01/07/2008 21:55:22 ‹Timitius› I voted for Ed Healy!!!
01/07/2008 21:55:23 * Yasha Feeding Geckos quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:55:24 * Absinth quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:55:31 ‹Urza› Yoda, to me a level 15 character shouldn't be having trouble with an encounter because he left his silver longsword on his horse because he thought his +2 longsword of something would be enough :)
01/07/2008 21:55:36 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is Closing Shop
01/07/2008 21:55:37 ‹Timitius› After myself of course.......
01/07/2008 21:55:41 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:55:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> I am not so sure that is true... as far as being backwards compatible... you can always play non-ogc domains the old way
01/07/2008 21:56:19 ‹Pete› How many Gods will be in Gods and Magic, anyway?
01/07/2008 21:56:25 ‹Ross› Urza, except it'd be nice if DR actually mattered.
01/07/2008 21:56:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› I know what you are saying Urza, but its almost a "game rule" versus "story" thing.
01/07/2008 21:56:39 ‹paul› if you plane shift a creature to a hostile plane is that still save vs death?
01/07/2008 21:56:45 ‹Sothal@work› Pete, at least one: Gygax
01/07/2008 21:56:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Becuase characters are level X, the should be able to fight Y"
01/07/2008 21:56:52 ‹Sothal@work› Or so I hope
01/07/2008 21:57:02 ‹Yoda› that's what I said. And I tested some of the NPCs they mentioned from BoVD and the in-game effect was the same as if I converted them and made custom domains
01/07/2008 21:57:10 ‹Ross› Urza, if everyone can bring their +X whatever and be good, DR either doesn't matter, or can strand monsters without an appropriate CR.
01/07/2008 21:57:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Versus "monsters Y are only vulnerable to X, so adventurers should figure out a way to hurt them"
01/07/2008 21:57:14 * Eyebite joins Main
01/07/2008 21:57:25 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, i refuse to believe that Excalibur wouldn't slice and dice a werewolf just as good a silver longsword!
01/07/2008 21:57:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› But I get the argument both ways.
01/07/2008 21:57:36 ‹Blazej› I would like DR to matter, I would also like it to mean something more than number/- because my party is not going to test every weapon they have against this creature.
01/07/2008 21:57:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, but Excalibur was an artifact.
01/07/2008 21:57:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› There were two changes made to the DR issue.. one affected the plusses needed to bypass... the other changed greater magic weapon... so that it did not apply.. so DR will still be a serious issue
01/07/2008 21:58:06 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, so you agree.. artifacts should troupe DR
01/07/2008 21:58:18 ‹Urza› trump
01/07/2008 21:58:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Artifacts, yeah . . .
01/07/2008 21:58:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Lets not get off into a DR debate everybody
01/07/2008 21:58:29 ‹Blazej› Ok, cool.
01/07/2008 21:58:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Sorry Jason
01/07/2008 21:58:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Changes have been made
01/07/2008 21:58:33 ‹Pete› JJ: Will G&M use straight 3.5 or PF or both?
01/07/2008 21:58:40 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 21:58:43 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> It's 3.5
01/07/2008 21:58:51 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Everything is still 3.5 till Aug 2009
01/07/2008 21:58:57 ‹James Jacobs› No Paizo product will use PF RPG rules until August 2009.
01/07/2008 21:58:59 ‹Ross› Jason Bulmahn, I'm glad Greater Magic Weapon got the nerf. It never saw much use at my table, but it was the big thing sited when people claimed that vanilla +x weapons needed more love to make the cost-effective.
01/07/2008 21:59:00 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Yeah.
01/07/2008 21:59:03 ‹greengrunt› (changes subject) Will there be ninjas and pirates in PF RPG? :razz:
01/07/2008 21:59:03 * Kevin T. joins Main
01/07/2008 21:59:06 ‹paul› James if the pcs build up fort rannick with a town around it does magnamir have rights to it
01/07/2008 21:59:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm
01/07/2008 21:59:39 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes. CERTAINLY pirates. There's a pirate prestige class even. And if you count the Red Mantis as ninjas (which you sort of should) there are also ninjas!
01/07/2008 21:59:46 ‹Pete› JJ: So a *different* G&M after 8/2009?? Or additions/suppliments free online?
01/07/2008 21:59:52 ‹Urza› KEJ, so what's the difference between a masterword silver longsword getting around DR and a +2 vorpal longsword of fiery burst and excalibur
01/07/2008 21:59:54 ‹greengrunt› Awesome!
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01/07/2008 22:00:15 ‹James Jacobs› Paul> Nope. Fort Rannick and Turtleback Ferry are sort of outside the jurisdiciton. Magnimar can court the town for fealty, though.
01/07/2008 22:00:18 ‹Urza› KEJ, seems to me like the super sword in the middle is getting the short end of the stick when excalibur's only more powerful in name by game mechanics :P
01/07/2008 22:00:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Green> James was talking about the PF Campaign Setting
01/07/2008 22:00:27 ‹greengrunt› Oh man! Hey- are you guys going to make a Riddleport Gazeteer??
01/07/2008 22:00:36 ‹Eyebite› Gah! My IE and the chat are not playing nicely. Night all!
01/07/2008 22:00:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Urza, I don't want to derail anything else in here since Jason's ready to move on . . . :lol:
01/07/2008 22:00:42 ‹Daigle› That would rock
01/07/2008 22:00:46 ‹Blazej› More Fighter bonus feats in PF RPG?
01/07/2008 22:00:50 ‹Urza› PSSH!
01/07/2008 22:00:53 ‹Urza› tacticle retreat
01/07/2008 22:00:54 ‹ephealy› It still amazes me how much of the Pathfinder setting has been released this past year.
01/07/2008 22:00:55 ‹Urza› i se
01/07/2008 22:00:56 ‹Urza› see
01/07/2008 22:00:58 ‹Ross› Urza, the vorpal one isn't an artifact and isn't silver. If you were a werewolf, you'd be pissed that every pissant adventurer bypassed your DR. DR shouldn't just be a level prerequisite.
01/07/2008 22:01:00 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> G&M should remain pretty comptatable with the new rules, actually. The only real crunch in G&M is spells, after all, and the way those work doesn't change between the rules versions.
01/07/2008 22:01:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm looking forward to that one, definitely
01/07/2008 22:01:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James is right on G&M
01/07/2008 22:01:32 ‹Blazej› It amazes me how much is left to be released for Pathfinder.
01/07/2008 22:01:35 ‹Absinth› Jason, will you return to designing "fluff" stuff for Golarion after the Beta is out or will you prepare the final rules book?
01/07/2008 22:01:43 ‹Yoda› ephealy, me too
01/07/2008 22:01:45 ‹greengrunt› er.. I mean Guide to Riddleport??
01/07/2008 22:01:48 ‹Yoda› I can't keep up on the wiki
01/07/2008 22:01:49 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The Second Darkness Player's Guide and Pathfinder #13 will have Riddleport info. There's not a larger book on Riddleport on any schedules yet.
01/07/2008 22:01:59 ‹greengrunt› :sad:
01/07/2008 22:02:00 ‹Yoda› which I guess is a good thing, since it means less spoilers for current stuff
01/07/2008 22:02:12 ‹Pete› Jason is writing PF#15. He's been on the chat for an hour, so It should be done by now.
01/07/2008 22:02:12 ‹Urza› Ross, as a player I'm pissed that a werewolf with CR1+template is just as annoying as a werewolf CR10+template
01/07/2008 22:02:19 ‹paul› James so they can become a player in regional politics if they get built up
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01/07/2008 22:02:41 * HG is Closing Shop is off to the movies. Bye, folks
01/07/2008 22:02:48 ‹greengrunt› NIght HG
01/07/2008 22:02:48 ‹Blazej› Bye HG!
01/07/2008 22:02:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bye
01/07/2008 22:02:52 ‹Writing Lilith› Night Hill Giant!
01/07/2008 22:02:56 ‹James Jacobs› Paul> It's possible. But the Second Darkness AP doesn't stick around in Riddleport, so...
01/07/2008 22:02:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night HG!
01/07/2008 22:03:05 ‹Yoda› Jason, how much work is going to go into monsters as playable races or planetouches?
01/07/2008 22:03:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey James, any news on Pathfinder 2 anywhere?
01/07/2008 22:03:25 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, I can't wait to see Second Darkness, for a variety of reasons. :)
01/07/2008 22:03:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› availablility I mean
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01/07/2008 22:03:43 ‹Pete› Ah! I know a question: JJ and Jason: What is your personal favorite PFS faction that you want to play in?
01/07/2008 22:03:44 ‹paul› ok, that was the next one i was oging to run , we are still RotRL so it fits in nice with timing
01/07/2008 22:03:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Absinth> That is my hope.. yes
01/07/2008 22:03:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› I was a dork and didn't jump on board right away, and I don't want to not get the full first AP
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01/07/2008 22:04:00 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We're going to be reprinting #2 pretty soon here... so it should be available all over in a few months!
01/07/2008 22:04:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› YES!
01/07/2008 22:04:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> Not much at the moment.. but there will be some
01/07/2008 22:04:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thanks James
01/07/2008 22:04:25 ‹Ross› I'm going to go sleep. Urza, I'd be happy to pick up that debate with you tomorrow on the boards.
01/07/2008 22:04:30 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pete> I am onboard with Osirion.. in our playtest anyway
01/07/2008 22:04:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› There's a store near me with several copies of #2...
01/07/2008 22:04:34 ‹Blazej› Night Ross.
01/07/2008 22:04:37 ‹Absinth› James, is a Guide To Varisia kind of book with additional infos on Magnimar, Janderhoff etc. still possible? Or is it unlikely that we'll see something like this after PF moves out of Varisia?
01/07/2008 22:04:38 ‹greengrunt› Night Ross
01/07/2008 22:04:38 ‹Yoda› Jason Bulmahn, do you think they will also get 2 + abilities and 1 -?
01/07/2008 22:04:41 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> I'm not going to play in PFS... but if I were? Hmm. I'd probably pick Qadira.
01/07/2008 22:04:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Alas folks.. I gotta run tongiht.. still got a bunch of catch up to do from Origins
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01/07/2008 22:04:55 ‹Yoda› scribe, you can make a fortune scalping those on eBay
01/07/2008 22:05:01 ‹greengrunt› G'night Jason
01/07/2008 22:05:08 ‹Daigle› Have a good evening Jason
01/07/2008 22:05:08 ‹Yoda› g'night Jason
01/07/2008 22:05:09 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, can we pull in somebody to talk about PFS? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease?
01/07/2008 22:05:12 ‹greengrunt› thanks for coming on for a bit
01/07/2008 22:05:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› Jason's Osirion character was really creepy.
01/07/2008 22:05:14 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Yoda> That is my hope
01/07/2008 22:05:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Our local Barnes and Nobles just started getting Pathfinder stuff, but usually I order things from our FLGS (and they are so small they don't really stock much of anything)
01/07/2008 22:05:22 ‹Absinth› Good night, Jason, and thanx!
01/07/2008 22:05:24 ‹paul› that would be great lilith
01/07/2008 22:05:25 ‹Pete› Jason: Remember, no matter where you go... There you are. 'Nite!
01/07/2008 22:05:35 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, See you around, man!
01/07/2008 22:05:35 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Absolutely there's a possibility of a big Guide to Varisia style book. ABSOLUTELY. And Pathfinder itself may be moving away from Varisia in #19... but we'll be coming back there eventually.
01/07/2008 22:05:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Later...
01/07/2008 22:05:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Although now they just order Item Cards and Flip Mats whenever they come out because I'm an easy mark
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01/07/2008 22:06:04 ‹greengrunt› Hey Olli
01/07/2008 22:06:06 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> That'd be either Josh or Nick. I'll see what I can do about getting one of them in here next Tuesday.
01/07/2008 22:06:08 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Yay! Katapesh, here we come!
01/07/2008 22:06:12 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Jason!
01/07/2008 22:06:12 ‹Yoda› any spoilers on 09's modules and where they'll take place?
01/07/2008 22:06:13 ‹Pygon› as much as some players prefer to stat out their own major NPC's, I'd especially like to see a Paizo statted Whispering Tyrant
01/07/2008 22:06:18 ‹Absinth› Wow, James, that sounds good...:)
01/07/2008 22:06:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Jason!
01/07/2008 22:06:28 ‹Pygon› gnite Jason!
01/07/2008 22:06:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't know if I want to see the Whispering Tyrant nailed down . . .
01/07/2008 22:06:37 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli!
01/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Jason
01/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹ollibolli› good morning from Germany
01/07/2008 22:06:43 ‹ollibolli› any news on the German Translation front?
01/07/2008 22:06:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli
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01/07/2008 22:06:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› (I know he had stats in the Complete Encounters line, but thats different)
01/07/2008 22:07:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda. I can give a small spoiler about one of 09's modules, I guess... one of them will be a Balls To The Wall Kill the Dragon module.
01/07/2008 22:07:28 ‹Yoda› awesome!
01/07/2008 22:07:31 ‹Daigle› Rockin'!!!
01/07/2008 22:07:33 ‹Yoda› do you knew where?
01/07/2008 22:07:40 ‹greengrunt› Hmmm.. sounds nasty
01/07/2008 22:07:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› The Whispering Tyrant reminds me a lot of Larloch, and I think Larloch worked better before he had stats and people started figureing out how they would "own" him.
01/07/2008 22:07:44 ‹Sothal@work› Guten Morgen Olli
01/07/2008 22:07:45 ‹Sothal@work› Guten Morgen Olli
01/07/2008 22:07:51 ‹Yoda› I want to see more of Golarion, and only 2 regios a year in APs is really limiting
01/07/2008 22:07:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Horay for dragonslaying!
01/07/2008 22:07:59 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> We'll eventually stat up the Whispering Tyrant. Not sure when or where, though. And probably not until after the PF RPG is up and running, to be honest.
01/07/2008 22:08:02 ‹Pete› Wie Geht's Olli!
01/07/2008 22:08:03 * Samwise contemplates causing trouble
01/07/2008 22:08:08 ‹Pygon› oh James - will you have any AP's focussing on a war? I can't remember if you answered this before.
01/07/2008 22:08:17 ‹ollibolli› ganz gut, Pete
01/07/2008 22:08:18 ‹James Jacobs› ollibolli> No news on the German translation. it's moving apace, but I'm not sure what stage it's at.
01/07/2008 22:08:39 ‹ollibolli› translation is under way?
01/07/2008 22:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› I don't know yet where the Kill the Dragon module will take place. My personal preference would be Lastwall.
01/07/2008 22:09:02 ‹Yoda› cooool
22:09:22 ‹Pete› Do you outsource the localization?
01/07/2008 22:09:31 ‹Yoda› when's the announcement on new products? Do you have them nailed down enough for that now?
01/07/2008 22:10:26 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> AP4 was at one point going to focus on a war. We decided to amp back there, and are going for a much more localized plot there, sort of.
01/07/2008 22:10:30 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, what's the seeeeeeeeeeeeecret stuff! Spoilarz!
01/07/2008 22:10:38 ‹ollibolli› Pete, yes, they do. They don't have the manpower to oversee the localizations.
01/07/2008 22:10:53 ‹Writing Lilith› What's the MAPQUEST project Wes was talking about?
01/07/2008 22:10:55 ‹James Jacobs› I'd love to do an AP about a huge war some day. But that requires mass battle rules, pretty much, and I don't wanna tackle that until the PF RPG is nailed down and up and running, at the VERY LEAST.
01/07/2008 22:11:07 ‹Pygon› ok, thanks James
01/07/2008 22:11:13 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> OPERATION MAPQUEST is still secret! :)
01/07/2008 22:11:29 ‹ollibolli› Guten morgen Franz
01/07/2008 22:11:31 ‹Pete› mass battle AP - Ick. Mass battle module - ok.
01/07/2008 22:11:36 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Mass Combat is covered in an OGL Project, the Advanced Player's Handbook from Green Ronin
01/07/2008 22:11:40 ‹Yoda› you gonna port mapquest into Golarion?!
01/07/2008 22:11:48 ‹Writing Lilith› But mapppppppppppppps....I like maps! :cry:
01/07/2008 22:11:55 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> yes. The translations are all handled by other companies we license out to.
01/07/2008 22:12:14 ‹Pygon› I wouldn't want all 6 mods in the AP to be a war, part RHoD, part Tides of Dread, and really get involved at high level or something
01/07/2008 22:12:22 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The new products are nailed down... but they don't all have names yet. That's a torment that Wes and I have been wrestling with for days.
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01/07/2008 22:12:35 ‹ollibolli› hallo Andre, greengrunt
01/07/2008 22:12:54 ‹Yoda› James, if you need help, let us know. We wants that announcement!
01/07/2008 22:12:56 * Kevin T. walks in cleaning his hands after having just beat Mass Effect, again
01/07/2008 22:12:58 * Kevin T. walks in cleaning his hands after having just beat Mass Effect, again
01/07/2008 22:12:58 ‹Kevin T.› ..grr lag
01/07/2008 22:13:05 * Pete wonders if he should learn a new language just to get Paizo early access
01/07/2008 22:13:14 ‹ollibolli› There are sevralproducts with mass battle rule, in fact
01/07/2008 22:13:25 ‹ollibolli› Hi Kevin.
01/07/2008 22:13:32 ‹Kevin T.› Evening Olli
01/07/2008 22:13:41 ‹James Jacobs› If we do a WAR AP, it'll look a lot like Red Hand of Doom and Tides of Dread. Starting when there's no war, and then by mid AP the war is in full bloom.
01/07/2008 22:13:47 ‹greengrunt› Hey Kevin- grats man
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01/07/2008 22:13:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Woo . . . warfare
01/07/2008 22:14:05 ‹Kevin T.› Oi, Olli get the schnapps ready mate. Good chance I might be coming to Germany either this Winter or next Summer
01/07/2008 22:14:17 ‹Kevin T.› thanks Green. Forgot how much fun that game was
01/07/2008 22:14:21 ‹greengrunt› Red Hand of Doom was one of the best modules by WOTC IMO
01/07/2008 22:14:24 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... we'd have to do research to decide if an existing mass battle book works or if we wanted to take a stab at improving them.
01/07/2008 22:14:29 ‹Pygon› as long as the Victory Points make sense :) sometimes the VP tables are a little limiting and require some finesse
01/07/2008 22:14:33 ‹Kevin T.› bah, tha'ts becaue it was done by James Jacobs lol
01/07/2008 22:14:39 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Yay! Thanks!
01/07/2008 22:14:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dah . . . Kevin ninja'd me
01/07/2008 22:14:52 ‹greengrunt› :D
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01/07/2008 22:14:54 ‹Pygon› greengrunt, I agree wholeheartedly
01/07/2008 22:14:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› :ninja*:
01/07/2008 22:15:23 ‹Kevin T.› heh
01/07/2008 22:15:27 ‹Kevin T.› me mind ninja
01/07/2008 22:15:48 ‹greengrunt› In fact. I would have to say.. the best 3.5 mod published by WOTC
01/07/2008 22:15:55 ‹greengrunt› but that's just me
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01/07/2008 22:16:07 ‹Pygon› RHoD > Ruins of Greyhawk > the rest :P
01/07/2008 22:16:13 ‹Absinth› .
01/07/2008 22:16:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well folks, It's past 1am here, and I have to get to bed. I'll try to make Sinister chat tomorrow.
01/07/2008 22:16:36 ‹Kevin T.› funny considering who wrote both those books lol
01/07/2008 22:16:41 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe
01/07/2008 22:16:44 ‹Kevin T.› later Ram
01/07/2008 22:16:46 ‹Absinth› Good night, RS!
01/07/2008 22:16:47 ‹greengrunt› Ruins of Greyhawk... haven't checked that out.. Night Scribe- Get those Indulgences out
01/07/2008 22:16:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Take care RS
01/07/2008 22:16:51 ‹Yoda› g'night Scribe
01/07/2008 22:16:53 ‹Daigle› Take care, Craig
01/07/2008 22:16:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› GNight all!
01/07/2008 22:17:05 ‹Pygon› James - I did have one question about Ruins of Greyhawk if you don't mind
01/07/2008 22:17:05 ‹Pete› Yah those WotC folks are smart when they use the right writers :-)
01/07/2008 22:17:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› I need to pick up the copy of that at my FLGS . . . its 25% off right now.
01/07/2008 22:17:14 ‹Timitius› I'm out too. I've been staying up WAY too late this week....Damned Hellgate London......
01/07/2008 22:17:17 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I entertain ALL questions! :)
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01/07/2008 22:17:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Timi
01/07/2008 22:17:33 ‹Absinth› Bye, Tim!
01/07/2008 22:17:35 ‹greengrunt› Nigh tTim
01/07/2008 22:17:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: first I have to fine-tune Frozen Fingers based on playtest feedback. Then the next indulgence.
01/07/2008 22:17:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Soon though.
01/07/2008 22:17:48 ‹lojakz› just in time to say good night! awesome!
01/07/2008 22:17:52 ‹greengrunt› Ok cool!
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01/07/2008 22:17:58 ‹Pete› Nite Tim! Best to the Wife and rugrats! Cya Sunday!
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01/07/2008 22:18:02 ‹greengrunt› Rock it out man :D
01/07/2008 22:18:13 ‹Pygon› ok :) sometimes I'll go through a mod and record all the treasure just to see how well it follows the suggested rewards. RoG does ok up until the Tower of Magic at the end, and it just goes WAAAYY overboard on treasure worth. Was this a design decision?
01/07/2008 22:18:15 ‹Kevin T.› hmm just had a crazy thought. Imagin if James and the gang were hired by WoTC to work on the KoToR campaign setting for Star Wars Saga.
01/07/2008 22:18:23 ‹Kevin T.› I'm not a star wars fan, but just that thought makes me giddy
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01/07/2008 22:19:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› KOTOR was something they should have done a LONG time ago.
01/07/2008 22:19:14 ‹greengrunt› I had completely forgotten that JJ had worked on Red Hand.. you should be writing more mega adventures dude! But being editor.. sigh :sad:
01/07/2008 22:19:19 ‹Pete› Kev: Noooo.. James has more important stuff to do!
01/07/2008 22:19:22 ‹Writing Lilith› KnightErrantJR, TRUE.
01/07/2008 22:19:39 * Kevin T. goes and pops in the Love Guru
01/07/2008 22:19:40 ‹lojakz› i'd definitely like to see more done with the Old Republic period in Star Wars, it might just get me to buy Saga Edition
01/07/2008 22:20:16 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> It was. This is THE dungeon, after all. Once you go out of the Tower of Magic, you're into some pretty legendary a
01/07/2008 22:23:25 ‹lojakz› not any more Pete.... >James, thanks for doing a kickass job with Pathfinder!
01/07/2008 22:23:37 ‹greengrunt› (need to go through my AP1)
01/07/2008 22:23:42 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Developing is an even more thankless job than editing, I think. But it's still way worth it!'
01/07/2008 22:23:57 ‹Kevin T.› man I still haven't gotten my Pathfinder 10 *sighs and cries*
01/07/2008 22:24:00 ‹Yoda› James, back to Planes...is the Great Beyond the name for just the Outer Sphere, or the whole cosmology?
01/07/2008 22:24:09 ‹Pygon› what I really like about the Pathfinder line is that there is a consistency being actively maintained. Very cohesive, very cool.
01/07/2008 22:24:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> We have a new true dragon in PF 11. And gugs. And we reveal a lot about Zon-Kuthon, including his role in the imprisonment of Rovagug.
01/07/2008 22:24:21 ‹BM› James, there is a revised wealth table in Alpha 3..... Page 123
01/07/2008 22:24:42 ‹David› cool true dragon
01/07/2008 22:24:44 ‹Mothman› What are gugs?
01/07/2008 22:24:47 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. 11 can't come soon enough
01/07/2008 22:24:51 ‹James Jacobs› Darkmoon Vale more or less went through 100% without me touching it. Apart from me saying there are a LOT of werewolves in there... I can't say too much about it.
01/07/2008 22:25:02 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Gugs are a Lovecraft monster.
22:05:24 ‹paul› that would be great lilith
01/07/2008 22:05:25 ‹Pete› Jason: Remember, no matter where you go... There you are. 'Nite!
01/07/2008 22:05:35 ‹Timitius› Jason Bulmahn, See you around, man!
01/07/2008 22:05:35 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Absolutely there's a possibility of a big Guide to Varisia style book. ABSOLUTELY. And Pathfinder itself may be moving away from Varisia in #19... but we'll be coming back there eventually.
01/07/2008 22:05:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Later...
01/07/2008 22:05:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Although now they just order Item Cards and Flip Mats whenever they come out because I'm an easy mark
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01/07/2008 22:06:04 ‹greengrunt› Hey Olli
01/07/2008 22:06:06 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> That'd be either Josh or Nick. I'll see what I can do about getting one of them in here next Tuesday.
01/07/2008 22:06:08 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Yay! Katapesh, here we come!
01/07/2008 22:06:12 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Jason!
01/07/2008 22:06:12 ‹Yoda› any spoilers on 09's modules and where they'll take place?
01/07/2008 22:06:13 ‹Pygon› as much as some players prefer to stat out their own major NPC's, I'd especially like to see a Paizo statted Whispering Tyrant
01/07/2008 22:06:18 ‹Absinth› Wow, James, that sounds good...:)
01/07/2008 22:06:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Jason!
01/07/2008 22:06:28 ‹Pygon› gnite Jason!
01/07/2008 22:06:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't know if I want to see the Whispering Tyrant nailed down . . .
01/07/2008 22:06:37 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli!
01/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Jason
01/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹ollibolli› good morning from Germany
01/07/2008 22:06:43 ‹ollibolli› any news on the German Translation front?
01/07/2008 22:06:49 ‹Daigle› Howdy olli
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01/07/2008 22:06:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› (I know he had stats in the Complete Encounters line, but thats different)
01/07/2008 22:07:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda. I can give a small spoiler about one of 09's modules, I guess... one of them will be a Balls To The Wall Kill the Dragon module.
01/07/2008 22:07:28 ‹Yoda› awesome!
01/07/2008 22:07:31 ‹Daigle› Rockin'!!!
01/07/2008 22:07:33 ‹Yoda› do you knew where?
01/07/2008 22:07:40 ‹greengrunt› Hmmm.. sounds nasty
01/07/2008 22:07:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› The Whispering Tyrant reminds me a lot of Larloch, and I think Larloch worked better before he had stats and people started figureing out how they would "own" him.
01/07/2008 22:07:44 ‹Sothal@work› Guten Morgen Olli
01/07/2008 22:07:45 ‹Sothal@work› Guten Morgen Olli
01/07/2008 22:07:51 ‹Yoda› I want to see more of Golarion, and only 2 regios a year in APs is really limiting
01/07/2008 22:07:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Horay for dragonslaying!
01/07/2008 22:07:59 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> We'll eventually stat up the Whispering Tyrant. Not sure when or where, though. And probably not until after the PF RPG is up and running, to be honest.
01/07/2008 22:08:02 ‹Pete› Wie Geht's Olli!
01/07/2008 22:08:03 * Samwise contemplates causing trouble
01/07/2008 22:08:08 ‹Pygon› oh James - will you have any AP's focussing on a war? I can't remember if you answered this before.
01/07/2008 22:08:17 ‹ollibolli› ganz gut, Pete
01/07/2008 22:08:18 ‹James Jacobs› ollibolli> No news on the German translation. it's moving apace, but I'm not sure what stage it's at.
01/07/2008 22:08:39 ‹ollibolli› translation is under way?
01/07/2008 22:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› I don't know yet where the Kill the Dragon module will take place. My personal preference would be Lastwall.
01/07/2008 22:09:02 ‹Yoda› cooool
01/07/2008 22:09:22 ‹Pete› Do you outsource the localization?
01/07/2008 22:09:31 ‹Yoda› when's the announcement on new products? Do you have them nailed down enough for that now?
01/07/2008 22:10:26 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> AP4 was at one point going to focus on a war. We decided to amp back there, and are going for a much more localized plot there, sort of.
01/07/2008 22:10:30 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, what's the seeeeeeeeeeeeecret stuff! Spoilarz!
01/07/2008 22:10:38 ‹ollibolli› Pete, yes, they do. They don't have the manpower to oversee the localizations.
01/07/2008 22:10:53 ‹Writing Lilith› What's the MAPQUEST project Wes was talking about?
01/07/2008 22:10:55 ‹James Jacobs› I'd love to do an AP about a huge war some day. But that requires mass battle rules, pretty much, and I don't wanna tackle that until the PF RPG is nailed down and up and running, at the VERY LEAST.
01/07/2008 22:11:07 ‹Pygon› ok, thanks James
01/07/2008 22:11:13 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> OPERATION MAPQUEST is still secret! :)
01/07/2008 22:11:29 ‹ollibolli› Guten morgen Franz
01/07/2008 22:11:31 ‹Pete› mass battle AP - Ick. Mass battle module - ok.
01/07/2008 22:11:36 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Mass Combat is covered in an OGL Project, the Advanced Player's Handbook from Green Ronin
01/07/2008 22:11:40 ‹Yoda› you gonna port mapquest into Golarion?!
01/07/2008 22:11:48 ‹Writing Lilith› But mapppppppppppppps....I like maps! :cry:
01/07/2008 22:11:55 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> yes. The translations are all handled by other companies we license out to.
01/07/2008 22:12:14 ‹Pygon› I wouldn't want all 6 mods in the AP to be a war, part RHoD, part Tides of Dread, and really get involved at high level or something
01/07/2008 22:12:22 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The new products are nailed down... but they don't all have names yet. That's a torment that Wes and I have been wrestling with for days.
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01/07/2008 22:12:35 ‹ollibolli› hallo Andre, greengrunt
01/07/2008 22:12:54 ‹Yoda› James, if you need help, let us know. We wants that announcement!
01/07/2008 22:12:56 * Kevin T. walks in cleaning his hands after having just beat Mass Effect, again
01/07/2008 22:12:58 * Kevin T. walks in cleaning his hands after having just beat Mass Effect, again
01/07/2008 22:12:58 ‹Kevin T.› ..grr lag
01/07/2008 22:13:05 * Pete wonders if he should learn a new language just to get Paizo early access
01/07/2008 22:13:14 ‹ollibolli› There are sevralproducts with mass battle rule, in fact
01/07/2008 22:13:25 ‹ollibolli› Hi Kevin.
01/07/2008 22:13:32 ‹Kevin T.› Evening Olli
01/07/2008 22:13:41 ‹James Jacobs› If we do a WAR AP, it'll look a lot like Red Hand of Doom and Tides of Dread. Starting when there's no war, and then by mid AP the war is in full bloom.
01/07/2008 22:13:47 ‹greengrunt› Hey Kevin- grats man
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01/07/2008 22:13:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Woo . . . warfare
01/07/2008 22:14:05 ‹Kevin T.› Oi, Olli get the schnapps ready mate. Good chance I might be coming to Germany either this Winter or next Summer
01/07/2008 22:14:17 ‹Kevin T.› thanks Green. Forgot how much fun that game was
01/07/2008 22:14:21 ‹greengrunt› Red Hand of Doom was one of the best modules by WOTC IMO
01/07/2008 22:14:24 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah... we'd have to do research to decide if an existing mass battle book works or if we wanted to take a stab at improving them.
01/07/2008 22:14:29 ‹Pygon› as long as the Victory Points make sense :) sometimes the VP tables are a little limiting and require some finesse
01/07/2008 22:14:33 ‹Kevin T.› bah, tha'ts becaue it was done by James Jacobs lol
01/07/2008 22:14:39 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Yay! Thanks!
01/07/2008 22:14:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dah . . . Kevin ninja'd me
01/07/2008 22:14:52 ‹greengrunt› :D
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01/07/2008 22:14:54 ‹Pygon› greengrunt, I agree wholeheartedly
01/07/2008 22:14:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› :ninja*:
01/07/2008 22:15:23 ‹Kevin T.› heh
01/07/2008 22:15:27 ‹Kevin T.› me mind ninja
01/07/2008 22:15:48 ‹greengrunt› In fact. I would have to say.. the best 3.5 mod published by WOTC
01/07/2008 22:15:55 ‹greengrunt› but that's just me
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01/07/2008 22:16:07 ‹Pygon› RHoD > Ruins of Greyhawk > the rest :P
01/07/2008 22:16:13 ‹Absinth› .
01/07/2008 22:16:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well folks, It's past 1am here, and I have to get to bed. I'll try to make Sinister chat tomorrow.
01/07/2008 22:16:36 ‹Kevin T.› funny considering who wrote both those books lol
01/07/2008 22:16:41 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe
01/07/2008 22:16:44 ‹Kevin T.› later Ram
01/07/2008 22:16:46 ‹Absinth› Good night, RS!
01/07/2008 22:16:47 ‹greengrunt› Ruins of Greyhawk... haven't checked that out.. Night Scribe- Get those Indulgences out
01/07/2008 22:16:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Take care RS
01/07/2008 22:16:51 ‹Yoda› g'night Scribe
01/07/2008 22:16:53 ‹Daigle› Take care, Craig
01/07/2008 22:16:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› GNight all!
01/07/2008 22:17:05 ‹Pygon› James - I did have one question about Ruins of Greyhawk if you don't mind
01/07/2008 22:17:05 ‹Pete› Yah those WotC folks are smart when they use the right writers :-)
01/07/2008 22:17:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› I need to pick up the copy of that at my FLGS . . . its 25% off right now.
01/07/2008 22:17:14 ‹Timitius› I'm out too. I've been staying up WAY too late this week....Damned Hellgate London......
01/07/2008 22:17:17 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I entertain ALL questions! :)
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01/07/2008 22:17:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Timi
01/07/2008 22:17:33 ‹Absinth› Bye, Tim!
01/07/2008 22:17:35 ‹greengrunt› Nigh tTim
01/07/2008 22:17:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: first I have to fine-tune Frozen Fingers based on playtest feedback. Then the next indulgence.
01/07/2008 22:17:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Soon though.
01/07/2008 22:17:48 ‹lojakz› just in time to say good night! awesome!
01/07/2008 22:17:52 ‹greengrunt› Ok cool!
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01/07/2008 22:17:58 ‹Pete› Nite Tim! Best to the Wife and rugrats! Cya Sunday!
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01/07/2008 22:18:02 ‹greengrunt› Rock it out man :D
01/07/2008 22:18:13 ‹Pygon› ok :) sometimes I'll go through a mod and record all the treasure just to see how well it follows the suggested rewards. RoG does ok up until the Tower of Magic at the end, and it just goes WAAAYY overboard on treasure worth. Was this a design decision?
01/07/2008 22:18:15 ‹Kevin T.› hmm just had a crazy thought. Imagin if James and the gang were hired by WoTC to work on the KoToR campaign setting for Star Wars Saga.
01/07/2008 22:18:23 ‹Kevin T.› I'm not a star wars fan, but just that thought makes me giddy
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01/07/2008 22:19:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› KOTOR was something they should have done a LONG time ago.
01/07/2008 22:19:14 ‹greengrunt› I had completely forgotten that JJ had worked on Red Hand.. you should be writing more mega adventures dude! But being editor.. sigh :sad:
01/07/2008 22:19:19 ‹Pete› Kev: Noooo.. James has more important stuff to do!
01/07/2008 22:19:22 ‹Writing Lilith› KnightErrantJR, TRUE.
01/07/2008 22:19:39 * Kevin T. goes and pops in the Love Guru
01/07/2008 22:19:40 ‹lojakz› i'd definitely like to see more done with the Old Republic period in Star Wars, it might just get me to buy Saga Edition
01/07/2008 22:20:16 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> It was. This is THE dungeon, after all. Once you go out of the Tower of Magic, you're into some pretty legendary areas and things get pretty crazy. (Personally, I feel that the DMG treasure suggestions are quite a bit low, anyway.)
01/07/2008 22:20:21 ‹Pete› Saga is nice. Saga is as far as 4e should have gone. Oh well.
01/07/2008 22:20:38 ‹lojakz› (i honestly don't care if JJ doesn't do it, Wizards does have some good writers still working for them)
01/07/2008 22:20:42 ‹James Jacobs› But yes. It was absolutely a design decision to throw out those guidelines and to try to capture some of the wahoo crazy treasure hauls that were part of the early adventures.
01/07/2008 22:20:57 ‹lojakz› I'm still a D6 guy here Pete
01/07/2008 22:21:03 ‹greengrunt› Well.. I mean mega adventures for Paizo
01/07/2008 22:21:11 ‹Pygon› James - thanks. It follows from how the 2e dungeon went anyway. I took 2 parties through the 2e War and Power towers, and forced them to go through the middle tower together because there was SO much there.
01/07/2008 22:21:18 ‹Absinth› So, James, does that mean we'll see a revised Wealth per level table in the Beta?
01/07/2008 22:21:20 ‹greengrunt› I haven't been impressed with most of WOTC 3.5 mods
01/07/2008 22:21:20 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> I wouldn't know what to do with a Star Wars ANYTHING. Putting me in charge of a Star Wars IP is a guaranteed way to piss everyone off. ;)
01/07/2008 22:21:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Where do the Klingons live again?"
01/07/2008 22:21:48 ‹Absinth› lol
01/07/2008 22:21:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Sorry . . .:eek:
01/07/2008 22:22:01 ‹Yoda› KEJ, they live in my game
01/07/2008 22:22:03 ‹lojakz› lol there's a few... ok, Paizo guys have written most of them, but there are a few greengrunt
01/07/2008 22:22:05 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> In a way, I AM writing more megaadventures. As in, Pathfinder! A fair amount of each Pathfinder has some re-writing involved. Sometimes only a few thousand words... sometimes quite a bit more, unfortunately...
01/07/2008 22:22:46 ‹Pete› "editing" is a thankless job
01/07/2008 22:22:50 ‹greengrunt› Sandpoint was your baby right>
01/07/2008 22:23:00 ‹Yoda› since PF11 and Darkmoon are supposedly coming out to us in the next day or so, any spoilers you can provide for those of us who can't wait?
01/07/2008 22:23:02 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> yes. There will be a revised wealth table in the PF RPG. I think it's in the Beta. Not sure....
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01/07/2008 22:23:25 ‹Pygon› yes I was curious about Darkmoon Vale, only just a few days ago I realized it was the setting for Kobold King
01/07/2008 22:23:25 ‹lojakz› not any more Pete.... >James, thanks for doing a kickass job with Pathfinder!
01/07/2008 22:23:37 ‹greengrunt› (need to go through my AP1)
01/07/2008 22:23:42 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Developing is an even more thankless job than editing, I think. But it's still way worth it!'
01/07/2008 22:23:57 ‹Kevin T.› man I still haven't gotten my Pathfinder 10 *sighs and cries*
01/07/2008 22:24:00 ‹Yoda› James, back to Planes...is the Great Beyond the name for just the Outer Sphere, or the whole cosmology?
01/07/2008 22:24:09 ‹Pygon› what I really like about the Pathfinder line is that there is a consistency being actively maintained. Very cohesive, very cool.
01/07/2008 22:24:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> We have a new true dragon in PF 11. And gugs. And we reveal a lot about Zon-Kuthon, including his role in the imprisonment of Rovagug.
01/07/2008 22:24:21 ‹BM› James, there is a revised wealth table in Alpha 3..... Page 123
01/07/2008 22:24:42 ‹David› cool true dragon
01/07/2008 22:24:44 ‹Mothman› What are gugs?
01/07/2008 22:24:47 ‹greengrunt› Sigh.. 11 can't come soon enough
01/07/2008 22:24:51 ‹James Jacobs› Darkmoon Vale more or less went through 100% without me touching it. Apart from me saying there are a LOT of werewolves in there... I can't say too much about it.
01/07/2008 22:25:02 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Gugs are a Lovecraft monster.
01/07/2008 22:25:13 ‹Yoda› is that short for something?
01/07/2008 22:25:15 ‹James Jacobs› A big hairy four-armed vertically-mouthed ogre-type monster.
01/07/2008 22:25:15 ‹lojakz› OHHHHH, I LOVE SOME WEREWOLF ACTION.
01/07/2008 22:25:35 ‹Pygon› sounds xorny
01/07/2008 22:25:47 ‹Yoda› Pygon, this is a PG-13 rated chat
01/07/2008 22:25:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The "Great Beyond" is the name for the whole cosmology.
01/07/2008 22:25:49 ‹David› Pygon, can you email me a chat log? my internet forgot how to work...
01/07/2008 22:25:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
01/07/2008 22:25:55 ‹Pygon› David - sure thing
01/07/2008 22:25:59 ‹lojakz› i think you've just garaunteed a sale for Darkmoon Vale (ehhh... I was going to buy it anyway)
01/07/2008 22:26:02 ‹David› thank
01/07/2008 22:26:03 ‹David› s
01/07/2008 22:26:04 ‹Yoda› David, I have one
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01/07/2008 22:26:32 ‹David› if you want to you could email it to me too Yoda
01/07/2008 22:26:33 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> It's not really that xorny at all.
01/07/2008 22:26:34 ‹Pete› Are we talking "Wolfman" werewolves or "Dog Soldiers" werewolves?
01/07/2008 22:26:53 ‹Absinth› I hope for the latter...
01/07/2008 22:27:08 ‹Pygon› it's just the first thing I thought of to compare it with
01/07/2008 22:27:36 ‹lojakz› ehhh, I was thinking Silverbullet werewolves actually
01/07/2008 22:27:38 ‹Mothman› Oh yeah - ok, I was killed by a gug in CoC once, I just didnt know what it was called....
01/07/2008 22:27:40 ‹James Jacobs› here's a sort of okay picture of a gug... http://www.nightserpent.com/lo...gug.jpg
01/07/2008 22:27:58 ‹James Jacobs› It's kind of hard to see what's going on there, alas.
01/07/2008 22:27:59 ‹lojakz› Dear god James, that's horrible.
01/07/2008 22:28:02 ‹Mothman› James, have you had a chance to write up any new types of demons for PF yet? AND, do PF demons have different races / subtypes (along the lines of tanarri, obyrith etc)?
01/07/2008 22:28:04 ‹greengrunt› WOW! Nasty!
01/07/2008 22:28:07 ‹Pygon› definitely not xorny.
01/07/2008 22:28:11 ‹lojakz› i like it.
01/07/2008 22:28:13 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> Dog Soldiers werewolves, for the most part.
01/07/2008 22:28:15 ‹Absinth› Well, it doesn't look PG 13...:)
01/07/2008 22:28:25 ‹Kevin T.› Dear god. That looks like someone I woke up next to after a long night of drinking
01/07/2008 22:28:29 ‹greengrunt› Aye ..No Xorny
01/07/2008 22:28:32 ‹Kevin T.› still got the scars on my arm from my chewing James
01/07/2008 22:28:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm
01/07/2008 22:28:46 ‹James Jacobs› The gug illos we have in PF 11 are pretty sweet.
01/07/2008 22:28:54 ‹David› Kevin T., ha
01/07/2008 22:29:00 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes. We did a new demon in Pathfinder 5, in fact.
01/07/2008 22:29:11 ‹James Jacobs› There will be more before Second Darkness is done too.
01/07/2008 22:29:25 ‹Yoda› You're keeping the name Gug?
01/07/2008 22:29:45 * PRPG Psionics
01/07/2008 22:29:46 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Yes, Pathfinder has at least 2 categories of demons. We haven't really nailed down their names yet, but one will be the "tanar'ri" role and one the "obyrith/qlippoth" role.
01/07/2008 22:29:47 ‹Pygon› it's all you can say after your face is bitten off.
01/07/2008 22:30:00 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Absolutely. Without keeping the name, there's no point to doing the monster.
01/07/2008 22:30:26 ‹greengrunt› Lovecraftian stuff= coolness!
01/07/2008 22:30:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cthulhu Mythos=Modern Folklore, of a sort . . .
01/07/2008 22:30:29 ‹Pete› "Gug" is actually what it says when it eats your face off.
01/07/2008 22:30:39 ‹lojakz› I imagine there is plans for a demon/devil book in the far off future?
01/07/2008 22:30:44 ‹Absinth› James, will we see more of the Denizens of Leng in future PF products? They were awesome!
01/07/2008 22:31:03 ‹Mothman› James: PF 5 ... that was that big "warbeast" type demon right? I didn't think that one was your baby though
01/07/2008 22:31:22 ‹Writing Lilith› The Shemhazian Demon was Steve Greer's.
01/07/2008 22:31:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› ooh . . . Thanks Mothman, that reminded me . . .
01/07/2008 22:31:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, do any orcs breed really fricking huge warbeasts in Golarion?
01/07/2008 22:31:49 ‹Absinth› That demon really scared my players. Well done...
01/07/2008 22:32:20 ‹Mothman› Lilith: That's the jobby! Couldn't remember whether PF5 was Steve or Gregs.... as I recall Steve came up with the concept for that demon (although maybe it wasnt a demon in his original concept..?)
01/07/2008 22:32:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› I know its kind of a Warhammer thing, but I liked it when that was their "secret weapon" in Spelljammer too.
01/07/2008 22:32:28 ‹James Jacobs› lojakz> yes. In a perfect world, we'd do a 64 page book for devils, one for demons, and one for daemons. OR: A 256 page hardcover for all 3.
01/07/2008 22:32:29 ‹greengrunt› Orc just raid Realm of the Mammoth Lords for some nastie warbeasties
01/07/2008 22:32:42 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Hardcover. :P
01/07/2008 22:32:44 ‹Pygon› PF fiends, I like it.
01/07/2008 22:32:45 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yeah, the Shemhazian demon. That was made up by Steve Greer.
01/07/2008 22:32:51 ‹lojakz› man, i hope this world turns out to be perfect
01/07/2008 22:33:12 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> There will probably be more Leng monsters, yeah. There's a LOT of monsters from Leng to draw from, that's for sure.
01/07/2008 22:33:21 ‹James Jacobs› OH! You mean the actual DENIZEN monster!
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01/07/2008 22:33:34 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. I suspect there will be more of them. I suspect there'll be some in AP4, actually.
01/07/2008 22:33:35 ‹Pygon› hi seeker
01/07/2008 22:33:38 ‹greengrunt› Hi seeker
01/07/2008 22:33:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey seeker
01/07/2008 22:33:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hello all
01/07/2008 22:33:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey pygon, GG,Knight
01/07/2008 22:34:05 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Some orcs do, but most orcs just go cacth big warbeasts and torture, I mean TRAIN them for war.
01/07/2008 22:34:07 ‹Absinth› And if you'll do a book on the planes in the future, will it include Leng or is that plane too obscure and far out for this?
01/07/2008 22:34:08 ‹greengrunt› hi BM
01/07/2008 22:34:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . cool James
01/07/2008 22:34:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy seeker
01/07/2008 22:34:30 ‹Absinth› Hey seeker...
01/07/2008 22:34:41 ‹James Jacobs› If we do a book on the planes, yes. Leng will be included.
01/07/2008 22:34:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey Daigle, Absinth
01/07/2008 22:34:46 ‹BM› Hi seeker
01/07/2008 22:34:47 ‹Writing Lilith› :dance2:
01/07/2008 22:34:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey BM
01/07/2008 22:35:01 ‹lojakz› greetings seeker
01/07/2008 22:35:06 ‹James Jacobs› Leng is either a demiplane in the Outer Sphere, or it's a part of one of the outer planes, or it's on the Material plane on a distant planet.
01/07/2008 22:35:14 ‹James Jacobs› It might be on the Shadow Plane too.
01/07/2008 22:35:18 ‹seekerofshadowlight› and to you lojakz
01/07/2008 22:35:21 ‹Absinth› I can't wait to see the planes book. Is there any chance for it in 2009?
01/07/2008 22:35:35 ‹James Jacobs› But my best and favoritiest? Leng is part of a weird dream dimension that underlies ALL of the Great Beyond.
01/07/2008 22:35:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› I know the details were left up to the GM in Classic Monsters, but are there going to be any Hobgoblins with boomsticks or explosives in the setting officially?
01/07/2008 22:35:55 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> There's a VERY GOOD chance for a planes book in 2009.
01/07/2008 22:36:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd buy it.
01/07/2008 22:36:13 ‹Yoda› hmmm, was that a spoily?
01/07/2008 22:36:13 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Nope. Not officially.
01/07/2008 22:36:29 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Might have been. Not sure.
01/07/2008 22:36:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gotcha
01/07/2008 22:36:34 ‹Absinth› James, the dream plane thing sounds best to me too. Would it be something like a transistive plane then?
01/07/2008 22:36:36 ‹James Jacobs› Check back in a few weeks! ;)
01/07/2008 22:36:38 ‹David› id get it (because it would be in a sub) right?
01/07/2008 22:36:52 ‹lojakz› ...... oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
01/07/2008 22:36:55 ‹Yoda› weeks?!
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01/07/2008 22:37:09 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yeah. A transitive plane that is coterminous with ALL sleeping minds, mortal and god alike. Which is pretty much how Lovecraft set it up in his stories.
01/07/2008 22:37:11 ‹greengrunt› Are you drifting away from the martial, disciplined hobgoblins in 3.5 MM (never got the PF monster book)?
01/07/2008 22:37:21 * Yoda sighs and waits patiently
01/07/2008 22:37:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yeah. We'll be talking about a bunch of new books here in a few weeks, I suspect...
01/07/2008 22:37:30 ‹Pygon› sweet
01/07/2008 22:37:36 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Nope. Golarion hobgoblins are VERY martial.
01/07/2008 22:37:51 ‹Absinth› Can't wait for that...:) The suspense is killing me! :)
01/07/2008 22:38:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› greengrunt, they are still very much like that . . . they just like fire and potentially explosions as well . . . :D
01/07/2008 22:38:08 ‹greengrunt› But not organized enough to have a nation of their own eh?
01/07/2008 22:38:08 ‹lojakz› i've been anticipating the announcements for new books for a while now.
01/07/2008 22:38:10 ‹James Jacobs› Hobgoblins are the LE goblinoid. They're very regimented and structured. Bugbears are teh CE ones. They'e the lunatics and loners and murderers. Goblins are NE; they're the just plain mean pests.
01/07/2008 22:38:44 ‹Absinth› Yes, I would've expected a hobgoblin nation too.
01/07/2008 22:38:44 ‹Pygon› how would you sum up orcs?
01/07/2008 22:39:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› I thought it was . . . interesting . . . that the kobolds in the new Dragon had a kind of "wander off from main combat" chart thing with them.
01/07/2008 22:39:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Reminded me of something.
01/07/2008 22:39:18 ‹greengrunt› Orcs are going to be a serious problem in Golarion
01/07/2008 22:39:37 ‹greengrunt› Lastwall and Ustalav are going to have orc problems
01/07/2008 22:39:41 ‹Yoda› KEJ, yeah they seem to be gleaning ideas from somewhere
01/07/2008 22:39:44 ‹Absinth› Yes, the pyromanic aspect of the hobgoblins was a nice add.
01/07/2008 22:40:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› I loved the orc graffiti idea.
01/07/2008 22:40:21 ‹James Jacobs› Here's a bit better of a picture of a gug: http://bp0.blogger.com/_xQwP8M.../l5.jpg
01/07/2008 22:40:26 ‹Yoda› James, do you recall which authors wrote which of the CMR monsters?
01/07/2008 22:40:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's Gug-tastic!
01/07/2008 22:40:54 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yeah... I think I do...
01/07/2008 22:41:00 ‹lojakz› ahhh, he's kinda cute when he's got his mouth closed.
01/07/2008 22:41:02 ‹James Jacobs› Bugbear: By Nick Logue
01/07/2008 22:41:03 ‹Pygon› looks like it's hunting yetis...
01/07/2008 22:41:04 ‹greengrunt› nnnastiness.. squared
01/07/2008 22:41:09 ‹Yoda› oh, the gugs are big. I was pictureing a medium or large creature
01/07/2008 22:41:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. They're on the TALLEST edge of Large in Golarion. They could have even been Huge. Technically they should have probably been huge. They can certainly advance into Huge.
01/07/2008 22:41:56 ‹James Jacobs› They're like underground giants, sorta.
01/07/2008 22:42:04 ‹Absinth› Yoda, me too. So, what it's got in it's bag?
01/07/2008 22:42:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yoda, the stuffed toys might throw off perspective too . . . :D
01/07/2008 22:42:07 ‹Mothman› Heh ... he's collecting monkeys
01/07/2008 22:42:26 ‹Pete› must need to fill his barrell
01/07/2008 22:42:37 ‹James Jacobs› Those are probably ghasts the gug is collecting. They LOVE to eat ghasts. They're afraid of ghouls, though.
01/07/2008 22:42:42 * Samwise quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 22:42:47 ‹James Jacobs› Right.
01/07/2008 22:42:52 ‹Pygon› :-k
01/07/2008 22:42:53 ‹James Jacobs› Nick Loge wrote bugbears.
01/07/2008 22:42:59 ‹James Jacobs› Mike McArtor wrote gnolls.
01/07/2008 22:43:03 ‹Writing Lilith› Trolls = Josh Frost
01/07/2008 22:43:04 ‹Writing Lilith› ?
01/07/2008 22:43:06 ‹Pete› "Nuthin says lovin like Ghast in the Oven!"
01/07/2008 22:43:11 ‹James Jacobs› I wrote Goblins.
01/07/2008 22:43:14 ‹Yoda› :lol:
01/07/2008 22:43:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
01/07/2008 22:43:18 ‹James Jacobs› Jeremy Walker wrote Hobgoblins.
01/07/2008 22:43:25 ‹James Jacobs› Nick Logue wrote Kobolds
01/07/2008 22:43:36 ‹James Jacobs› No... wait. Wolf Baur did Kobolds, i think.
01/07/2008 22:43:38 * Dalvyn quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 22:43:43 ‹Writing Lilith› Logue was Ogres
01/07/2008 22:43:43 ‹BM› Am I the only one one can't gugs seriously. I time I look at their face its like blue gender all over again.....
01/07/2008 22:43:45 ‹James Jacobs› James Sutter did Lizardfolk.
01/07/2008 22:43:46 ‹Pygon› fitting :)
01/07/2008 22:44:03 ‹James Jacobs› Jason Bulmahn did minotaurs.
01/07/2008 22:44:03 ‹Writing Lilith› Wolfgang = Kobolds would make sense. :P
01/07/2008 22:44:07 ‹James Jacobs› Nick Logue did Ogres.
01/07/2008 22:44:09 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, HAH! :D
01/07/2008 22:44:13 ‹James Jacobs› Greg Vaughan did orcs.
01/07/2008 22:44:18 ‹James Jacobs› Josh Frost did Tolls.
01/07/2008 22:44:25 ‹Pygon› Bullman = Minotaur, hee
01/07/2008 22:44:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Logue and his ogres . . . O.O
01/07/2008 22:44:30 ‹lojakz› lol
01/07/2008 22:44:33 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, well, he is the Director of Marketing. ;)
01/07/2008 22:44:39 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, we got a little cutesy with some of the author assignments. Jason and minotaurs; Wolf and kobolds...
01/07/2008 22:44:49 ‹lojakz› lol
01/07/2008 22:44:59 ‹Mothman› makes sense...
01/07/2008 22:45:00 ‹Yoda› you assigned them or they called dibs?
01/07/2008 22:45:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› At least the articles were good though, so it all works out . . . :lol:
01/07/2008 22:45:27 ‹James Jacobs› Mostly it was people calling dibs.
01/07/2008 22:45:45 ‹Yoda› it's a very cohesive book. It's almost unbelievable that it was written by so many authors
01/07/2008 22:45:50 ‹James Jacobs› With me herding cats in an attempt to ensure that the right authors took on the right monsters.
01/07/2008 22:46:00 ‹Yoda› any hints on the next book in the Revisited series?
01/07/2008 22:46:02 ‹Yoda› Undead?
01/07/2008 22:46:04 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... Erik was the one who assigned monsters for that one, I think.
01/07/2008 22:46:08 ‹greengrunt› :D
01/07/2008 22:46:12 ‹seekerofshadowlight› or fey
01/07/2008 22:46:17 ‹Yoda› or fey
01/07/2008 22:46:19 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> No hints yet... but again... just wait a few weeks. :)
01/07/2008 22:46:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oozes . . .
01/07/2008 22:46:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
01/07/2008 22:46:25 ‹Absinth› Yoda: or giants...
01/07/2008 22:46:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just kidding
01/07/2008 22:46:29 ‹Pygon› :excite:
01/07/2008 22:46:29 ‹Yoda› oooookaaay
01/07/2008 22:46:34 ‹Yoda› giants are not a type!
01/07/2008 22:46:55 ‹Yoda› cappa would also request a classic vermin revisited
01/07/2008 22:46:56 ‹James Jacobs› They are, actually.
01/07/2008 22:47:06 ‹greengrunt› Daigle should hand over his trannibal manual :razz:
01/07/2008 22:47:07 ‹Yoda› I know they are, but they shouldn't be
01/07/2008 22:47:07 ‹lojakz› i vote Giants
01/07/2008 22:47:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like giants . . . especially the advanced giant templates from the Advanced Monster book from Green Ronin
01/07/2008 22:47:26 * Russ joins Main
01/07/2008 22:47:26 ‹Absinth› Yes, I remember discussing to get rid of the giant type...
01/07/2008 22:47:31 ‹Daigle› Tranibals!!!
01/07/2008 22:47:35 ‹Yoda› they already did ogres and trolls which are two of the primary giant types
01/07/2008 22:47:40 ‹James Jacobs› But since we already did 2 giants in the first book, it doesn't make sense to do a "Classic Giants" book.
01/07/2008 22:47:43 ‹Yoda› unless you mean cloud giants, fire giants, etc.
01/07/2008 22:47:47 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
01/07/2008 22:47:48 ‹Russ› Hey guys, I just got done with the GREATEST Age of Worms session :)
01/07/2008 22:47:50 ‹Writing Lilith› KnightErrantJR, the jotunbloods?
01/07/2008 22:47:50 ‹Yoda› and there
01/07/2008 22:47:53 ‹Yoda› oops
01/07/2008 22:47:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Tranibals are a hazard, not a type . . .
01/07/2008 22:48:01 ‹greengrunt› Nice Russ
01/07/2008 22:48:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, that was the template, thanks Lilith
01/07/2008 22:48:10 ‹Yoda› and there's the whole Stone Giant article in PF4
01/07/2008 22:48:10 ‹Russ› I could deal with a 5 giants book, tho
01/07/2008 22:48:21 ‹Absinth› I'd love to see Paizos take on athachs, firbolgs and fire-giants...
01/07/2008 22:48:21 ‹Russ› (hill, fire, frost, cloud, stone, storm - make that 6)
01/07/2008 22:48:29 ‹greengrunt› Daigle could make tranibals into a type :razz:
01/07/2008 22:48:30 ‹Russ› Add ettins, they're core
01/07/2008 22:48:42 ‹Pygon› the storm giant should throw dead behirs
01/07/2008 22:48:43 ‹Yoda› Russ, did you beat Dragotha?
01/07/2008 22:48:48 ‹Daigle› A type of nightmare
01/07/2008 22:48:52 ‹Russ› the party now has in their hands the completed Rod of Law, cleansed of the taint of chaos in the heart of the Wolf-Spider
01/07/2008 22:48:55 ‹James Jacobs› Classic Monsters was the fastest selling Pathfinder book we've done. The sequel is thus ASSURED... but will VERY CLOSELY follow the format. As in... the next one will feature 10 closely related monsters...
01/07/2008 22:49:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Formorians didn't make it into Tome of Horrors, did they?
01/07/2008 22:49:03 * Zaister is sleeping quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 22:49:03 ‹Russ› Yoda - that mod is starting next
01/07/2008 22:49:24 ‹seekerofshadowlight› good to hear james
01/07/2008 22:49:29 ‹Yoda› closely related to each other or to the first book?
01/07/2008 22:49:33 * CD Lunching changes his/her nickname to CD Working
01/07/2008 22:49:35 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Nope; they were already in MM2 by the time Tome of Horrors came along.
01/07/2008 22:49:37 ‹lojakz› yeah, i noticed Classic Monsters is out of stock already, which makes me sad, as I haven't been able to pick up a copy yet.
01/07/2008 22:49:41 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> To each other.
01/07/2008 22:49:51 ‹Pete› So you're going to need some genre that's not natural humanoids, and has 10 interesting monsters...
01/07/2008 22:49:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Crap, I thought so, but I couldn't remember.
01/07/2008 22:49:59 ‹James Jacobs› I'm 99.543% sure we will be reprinting CM once we're out of print. Never fear.
01/07/2008 22:50:03 ‹Pygon› aberrations!
01/07/2008 22:50:04 ‹Yoda› I think its success is a testament to Paizo's knack for flavor
01/07/2008 22:50:06 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> yup.
01/07/2008 22:50:10 ‹Pete› lojakz: The PDF is always in stock!
01/07/2008 22:50:13 ‹Absinth› James, which monster type would you love to do for CMR2?
01/07/2008 22:50:14 ‹seekerofshadowlight› same boat as you lojakz,
01/07/2008 22:50:25 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> I've already chosen, so I can't say.
01/07/2008 22:50:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Although, making a giant called a Fomorian couldn't be that hard to argue as being a general, folklore name, could it?
01/07/2008 22:50:39 ‹lojakz› Can't you do your own take on the Fomorians? They are from Celtic myth.
01/07/2008 22:50:44 ‹James Jacobs› Marketing gets all cranky when I scoop the press releases...
01/07/2008 22:50:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, what he said.
01/07/2008 22:50:49 ‹James Jacobs› lojakz> Prolly.
01/07/2008 22:51:03 ‹Yoda› will that get a reprint like PF2?
01/07/2008 22:51:14 ‹Pete› I've been buying PDF's. They fit really well on the overflowing shelf.
01/07/2008 22:51:17 ‹James Jacobs› ALTHOGUH> In celtic myth, they aren't really like what they are in D&D, so what's the point?
01/07/2008 22:51:20 ‹lojakz› yes, I should pick up the pdf's, it's just having the physical copy is so much happier for me.
01/07/2008 22:51:22 ‹Yoda› why did that one of the whole path sell out, btw? was it a smaller print run?
01/07/2008 22:51:28 ‹lojakz› very true, James, very true.
01/07/2008 22:51:33 * Russ is desperate to write Paizo monsters some day :)
01/07/2008 22:51:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Mutant smarter bigger hill giants?
01/07/2008 22:52:02 * Pete wants the Russ Monster !
01/07/2008 22:52:10 ‹Absinth› It's like with comics, Yoda, issue 2 in a series is mostly harder to find than issue 1
01/07/2008 22:52:11 ‹Yoda› Russ, they're cutting back on monsters apparently. It's sad. That's always my favorite thing of an adventure to read first
01/07/2008 22:52:15 ‹Russ› Yoda - my guess is they did less of #2 than #1, #1s nearly always sell more
01/07/2008 22:52:17 ‹James Jacobs› UNLESS we decide that the folklore version is worth trying to do, which is a definate possiblity. We're doing that with the siren in Pathfinder 14, for example. In D&D, the siren's always been a water girl type thing, but in myth, she wasn't.
01/07/2008 22:52:24 ‹lojakz› (of course, I secretly ask, because I'd like to see them done more like they appear in Celtic myths, being a sucker for the mythology and such.
01/07/2008 22:52:28 ‹Russ› Yoda - I'm thinking for the PF Mosnter Manual
01/07/2008 22:52:45 ‹Yoda› is siren OGC?
01/07/2008 22:52:58 ‹Russ› Thanks Pete!
01/07/2008 22:53:01 ‹Absinth› Sure... Its ancient greek myth
01/07/2008 22:53:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Kind of like making the Nosferatu a separate thing, eh?
01/07/2008 22:53:10 ‹Pete› That's an interesting idea, actually, have one of the 10 CM2 monsters be a rpg superstar entry
01/07/2008 22:53:12 ‹Yoda› I mean the D&D version
01/07/2008 22:53:15 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> It had a slightly smaller print run, yeah.
01/07/2008 22:53:30 ‹James Jacobs› But also was very popular.
01/07/2008 22:53:52 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Sirens more towards their Greek origins? :excite:
01/07/2008 22:53:56 ‹Yoda› is J1 still the best selling Paizo product?
01/07/2008 22:53:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› I was wondering if it was something similar to #2 in comics series usually being short ordered, but I'm not sure how similar a situation it might be.
01/07/2008 22:54:04 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> yes; as in a bird with a girl's head.
01/07/2008 22:54:17 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, :dance2:
01/07/2008 22:54:37 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> J1 was never the best-selling Paizo product. it was the best-selling module.
01/07/2008 22:54:37 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nice
01/07/2008 22:54:41 ‹Absinth› KEJr. I guess it's the same situation. They had to order the printing for #2 before they knew the sales for #1
01/07/2008 22:54:41 * Sir Wulf joins Main
01/07/2008 22:54:45 ‹Yoda› oh
01/07/2008 22:54:49 ‹greengrunt› Hey Sir Wulf
01/07/2008 22:54:51 ‹Writing Lilith› Sir Wulf! :glomp:
01/07/2008 22:54:55 ‹seekerofshadowlight› what is the best selling then?
01/07/2008 22:55:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey wulf
01/07/2008 22:55:01 ‹Daigle› Howdy Sir Wulf
01/07/2008 22:55:10 ‹Russ› Is there much difference between a siren and a harpy, tho? Althought D&D harpies stink, they have less of the flavor of either Greek version
01/07/2008 22:55:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Nope; the siren was one of the monsters that got put into MM2 and thus missed the boat for the Tome Of Horrors gravy train.
22:55:20 ‹Sir Wulf› At Last! I wanted to be here hours ago, but I locked my keys in my car...
01/07/2008 22:55:29 ‹Yoda› russ, they have big dangly boobies though
01/07/2008 22:55:32 ‹Daigle› Doh!
01/07/2008 22:55:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's a bad deal Wulf
01/07/2008 22:55:49 ‹Writing Lilith› Sir Wulf, :ohnoes:
01/07/2008 22:55:51 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sorry to hear that wulf been there it suxs
01/07/2008 22:55:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Man . . . so many jokes.
01/07/2008 22:55:52 ‹Russ› I'd like harpies to have some the befouling-of-food element back
01/07/2008 22:55:55 ‹lojakz› Man, that sucks Sir Wulf. I've been there... many, many... too many times myself.
01/07/2008 22:56:02 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Probably pretty similar. As in, they print a lot of the first issue, then go conservative on the following ones. And when the first one's VERY popular, there aren't enough of hte next one to go around.
01/07/2008 22:56:21 ‹ollibolli› <--- breakfast
01/07/2008 22:56:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gotcha, that's what I was wondering.
01/07/2008 22:56:40 ‹James Jacobs› I'm actually not sure what product we've sold the most of.
01/07/2008 22:56:54 ‹James Jacobs› We sold out of Classic Monsters Revisited fast. It was the fastest to be sold out.
01/07/2008 22:57:02 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey olli
01/07/2008 22:57:04 ‹James Jacobs› But we didn't print as many of those as we do of Pathfinders.
01/07/2008 22:57:11 ‹James Jacobs› The Critical Hit deck was a great seller too.
01/07/2008 22:57:20 ‹Yoda› Is the Gazetteer doing as well as you had hoped?
01/07/2008 22:57:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oddly, that was the first Pathfinder product I saw at Barnes and Noble.
01/07/2008 22:57:25 ‹James Jacobs› And Pathfinder itself is the one that makes Paizo the most $$$.
01/07/2008 22:57:26 ‹Sothal@work› Seeker, didn't see you on
01/07/2008 22:57:33 ‹James Jacobs› The Gazetteer did pretty good, yeah.
01/07/2008 22:57:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› is kinda nice for you guys that hings are selling out and in high demand
01/07/2008 22:57:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its the position to be in.
01/07/2008 22:57:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> yeah... we're trying to make our sirens different than harpies. They don't have girl boobs, in other words. Just girl heads.
01/07/2008 22:58:03 ‹Pygon› a good problem to have/
01/07/2008 22:58:06 ‹Yoda› I imagine the APs have a built in guarantee that you get most people to buy all 6 of each path
01/07/2008 22:58:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› hey sothal didnt see ya myself
01/07/2008 22:58:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, it cuts both ways though, since I didn't want to pick up the first AP until I knew I could get the whole she bang.
01/07/2008 22:59:03 ‹Russ› Hmm. that sounds like an Egyptian critter I just can't quite remember, it has a hieroglyph.
01/07/2008 22:59:08 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah i didnt get to get it myself
01/07/2008 22:59:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; it is nice! Especially with 4th edition coming (at first) and being released (now); our sales of Pathfinder stuff never hit a slump, really.
01/07/2008 22:59:22 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i know what ya mean russ
01/07/2008 22:59:26 ‹James Jacobs› AKA: The market for 3.5 material is healthy, as far as Paizo can tell.
01/07/2008 22:59:28 ‹Absinth› Wow, the cover for LB1 looks fantastic. Who's the artist? Is it Wootten again?
01/07/2008 22:59:28 ‹seekerofshadowlight› can't recall its name
01/07/2008 22:59:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yup
01/07/2008 22:59:44 ‹greengrunt› Gotta be up in a few hours.. Good night all.. JJ as always, it's been a pleasure.... Hope you get rid o the sickies entirely! Have a great rest of the week.. Night folks
01/07/2008 22:59:46 ‹Writing Lilith› Egyptian Critter = Ba. Represented the soul.
01/07/2008 22:59:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› thats great news james
01/07/2008 22:59:56 ‹seekerofshadowlight› night GG
01/07/2008 22:59:57 ‹greengrunt› :gninja:
01/07/2008 22:59:57 ‹Pete› The market for 3.5 will be ok, the market for PF will be great! :-)
01/07/2008 23:00:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sleep well
01/07/2008 23:00:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, WOtC was very generous in making sure I wasn't spending money on them so I could start picking up Paizo products.
01/07/2008 23:00:06 ‹James Jacobs› The cover for LB1 was... humm. Not sure.
01/07/2008 23:00:21 ‹James Jacobs› It's not Ben, though.
01/07/2008 23:00:23 ‹Russ› The ba (bird with human head) represents the ascension of the human soul upon death
01/07/2008 23:00:38 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a big fan of the cover of LB1, personally.
01/07/2008 23:00:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heck, they were even nice enough to make sure I wasn't temped by the Realms stuff I've bought for 20 years.
01/07/2008 23:00:43 ‹Russ› Sorry, backwards
01/07/2008 23:00:45 ‹Absinth› Bye, greengrunt!
01/07/2008 23:00:46 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ah cool know i seen it somewhere
01/07/2008 23:00:48 ‹Russ› not the ascended soul - the soul that stays behind
01/07/2008 23:00:50 ‹James Jacobs› But it's good to hear that some folk like it.
01/07/2008 23:00:51 ‹Russ› Spooooky :)
01/07/2008 23:00:53 ‹Pete› James: Any news on 3rd party support of PF?
01/07/2008 23:01:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› sad fact knight
01/07/2008 23:01:02 * greengrunt quit (timeout)
01/07/2008 23:01:08 ‹Russ› How do feel about Mearls saying PF RPG betrays the OGL?
01/07/2008 23:01:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i shudder over that one still
01/07/2008 23:01:12 ‹Yoda› IS LB2 at the printers yet?
01/07/2008 23:01:17 ‹Yoda› I saw it got pushed back a month
01/07/2008 23:01:26 ‹Russ› (have you stopped beating your wife?)
01/07/2008 23:01:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› :fishslap:
01/07/2008 23:01:48 ‹Absinth› What's wrong with the LB1 cover, James? It's done pretty good and has lots of atmosphere. This is one of the mods I'd buy just for the cover...
01/07/2008 23:02:10 ‹James Jacobs› Pete> There will be a logo, and it won't be onerous. Pathfinder RPG is built off the OGL, and it's totally open as a result. Golarion content won't be (but we aren't above eventually licensing some of that stuff out for a while). But the RPG itself will be as open as the SRD. We WANT 3pp to join up!!!
01/07/2008 23:02:10 ‹Yoda› Absinth, I don't like the CG look of it
01/07/2008 23:02:11 ‹Daigle› I thought it looked too digital
01/07/2008 23:02:26 * Pete thinks Russ ought to back away from the open gas can with his lit flare
01/07/2008 23:02:53 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I don't have much to say about Mearls and his comments. I'd rather let history sort that one out.
01/07/2008 23:03:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its funny, I know I've seen that cover, but I can't picture it.
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01/07/2008 23:03:11 * Writing Lilith wants to know what the Fan Site and Software terms of the Pathfinder Game License are.
01/07/2008 23:03:15 ‹Writing Lilith› :P
01/07/2008 23:03:24 ‹Russ› Heh. I knew it was a loaded question when I made it, well-played :)
01/07/2008 23:03:44 ‹Samwise› Russ>where did mearls say that?
01/07/2008 23:03:57 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The thing I don't like about the LB1 cover is that it looks like Merisiel's trying to gouge out her eye with her dagger. And the battlements look too much like huts, which makes the characters look like giants. And I'm not a big fan of art that depicts the "moment 3 seconds before something exciting happens" as much as I like art ABOUT the exciting thing.
01/07/2008 23:04:07 ‹Russ› Samwise - he sort of lays out the steps to that conclusion rather than outright says it, but I'll see if I can find the thread
01/07/2008 23:04:10 ‹James Jacobs› But that said... that's all opinion. That's the cool thing about art.
01/07/2008 23:04:24 ‹James Jacobs› Art SHOULD be something that person A likes and person B does not.
01/07/2008 23:04:37 ‹James Jacobs› Also, yeah... it's a bit too digital for my tastes.
01/07/2008 23:04:45 ‹Pete› Speaking of Art, hows the PF comic coming??
01/07/2008 23:05:05 ‹Writing Lilith› Pete, I haven't heard anything about the fan stuff. :(
01/07/2008 23:05:11 ‹Russ› He's basically calling charging for OGL rules a betrayal of the principles of the OGL - which is kind of surreal for a guy who wrote Iron Heroes
01/07/2008 23:05:31 ‹Samwise› ummmm
01/07/2008 23:05:32 ‹Samwise› yeah
01/07/2008 23:05:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› i thought so russ
01/07/2008 23:05:49 ‹Yoda› Forget the comic, I want the novels!
01/07/2008 23:05:49 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> LB2 is not at the printers yet. I hope HOPE to get it to the printers next week... but it was a victim of the 13th. Everything else (the beta, Pathfinder, the hardcover, Worlds of their Own, and a few other things) took over, and we had to basically sacrifice LB1 to the scheduling gods. :(
01/07/2008 23:06:00 ‹Russ› And referring to open playtest as not being what is meant by open in the OGL, but I don't think Paizo has said that's what makes PF OGL, so...and they have said people are free to use the rules (as of course they are)
01/07/2008 23:06:22 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I'll light some fires under some feet regarding the Fan Site stuff. :)
01/07/2008 23:06:41 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Eeeexcellent. :plot:
01/07/2008 23:06:50 ‹Yoda› Lilith, Vic posted about it today
01/07/2008 23:07:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of, ahem, Lilith, will she get some official stats/status in Golarion?
01/07/2008 23:07:17 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway... personally? I think it's unprofessional to knock the competition, big or small. And that's about as much as I want to say about that.
01/07/2008 23:07:19 ‹Yoda› said that as long as tehy get credit for their material and links back to the site you can have pretty much free reign, as long as you aren't making money on it
01/07/2008 23:07:21 ‹Samwise› heh, well after his bizarre assertion that a playtest should always have limited material so the playtesters give you feedback only on stuff you want, i think he is also severely confused about playtesting
01/07/2008 23:07:37 ‹Writing Lilith› Yoda, Yay! :woot:
01/07/2008 23:07:52 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, yes. Keep it professional! :D
01/07/2008 23:08:01 ‹Writing Lilith› Some fans on both sides should remember that also.
01/07/2008 23:08:07 ‹seekerofshadowlight› good way to look at it james
01/07/2008 23:08:08 ‹Yoda› Writing Lilith, http://paizo.com/paizo/message...ebsites
23:08:30 ‹Mothman› Just looked at the LB1 cover ... yeah, you're right James, those crenelations do look like huts, and Merisiel does appear to be stabbing herself in the face ... weird
01/07/2008 23:08:42 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> At one point, I was thinking of making Lilith one of the Archdevils, but I decided against it since the ones we have from traditional D&D are all set already.
01/07/2008 23:09:00 * Writing Lilith sighs at her lost status...:cry:
01/07/2008 23:09:06 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Beyond that, Lilith is a bit too "mainstream" a religious figure to do too much with.
01/07/2008 23:09:07 ‹Daigle› :lol:
01/07/2008 23:09:10 ‹seekerofshadowlight› ah
01/07/2008 23:09:22 ‹Writing Lilith› I'll get that hussy Jezebel!
01/07/2008 23:09:27 ‹Writing Lilith› And her little hellhound too!
01/07/2008 23:09:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› why not just call her the misstress of demons..or devils
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01/07/2008 23:09:59 ‹Daigle› Rimehound
01/07/2008 23:10:07 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Beyond that, I'll need to sign some forms and contracts and stuff with her before we can stat her up anyway. ALSO: Lilith is better served by being mysteriosuly powerful and non-statted!
01/07/2008 23:10:22 ‹Writing Lilith› :D
01/07/2008 23:10:26 ‹seekerofshadowlight› lol
01/07/2008 23:10:39 ‹Pete› Lilith is a force beyond your paltry stat blocks
01/07/2008 23:10:52 ‹Pete› For her Cookies are mighty
01/07/2008 23:10:58 ‹James Jacobs› Is true
01/07/2008 23:11:01 ‹Writing Lilith› Does that put me in the "no stats" realm of deity, rather than the "really hard to kill" realm of demigods? :)
01/07/2008 23:11:09 ‹lojakz› Pretty much makes her a goddess then doesn't it?
01/07/2008 23:11:11 ‹James Jacobs› No stats realm of deity.
01/07/2008 23:11:17 * Writing Lilith is pleased with that thought. :dance2:
01/07/2008 23:11:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yup! Them's the rules!
01/07/2008 23:11:36 ‹Samwise› lady of pain realm of "we arent telling you because"
01/07/2008 23:11:39 ‹Samwise› :-P
01/07/2008 23:11:41 * David bows before Lilith's divine might
01/07/2008 23:11:55 ‹Mothman› Damn lady of pain - what was she??!
01/07/2008 23:11:57 * Writing Lilith makes a note to send James Jacobs some Goblin Bars. :)
01/07/2008 23:12:05 ‹Russ› Samwise - http://paizo.com/paizo/message...#621547 is the thread, check out DmMcCoys spoiler comments
01/07/2008 23:12:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› liked the lady of pain realm
01/07/2008 23:12:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I like Lilith and would like her to get some play, but I'm glad she isn't displacing Mephi or anyone (since Mephistophiles is my favorite Archdevil)
01/07/2008 23:12:39 ‹Russ› On that note, I hope that Paizo continues to only rarely stat the uber-powerful
01/07/2008 23:12:43 ‹Yoda› James, what are the power levels of gods or other entities that can grant spells?
01/07/2008 23:12:48 ‹Samwise› the lady of pain was /is . . . the lady of pain
01/07/2008 23:13:18 ‹Samwise› she was mostly a deus ex machina for certain things
01/07/2008 23:13:28 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yep she was a mystry..did what she wanted...and confued normal folk
01/07/2008 23:13:32 ‹Samwise› a macguffin as well as a gimmick, a push, and a pull
01/07/2008 23:13:42 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Those power levels range from around CR 25 up to "Too Bad-ass to have stats."
01/07/2008 23:13:42 ‹Mothman› yup
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01/07/2008 23:13:44 ‹Samwise› a rather useful overall construct
01/07/2008 23:13:45 ‹seekerofshadowlight› that and scared the hell out of em too
01/07/2008 23:13:50 ‹BM› The lady of pain is like the DM, but you can beat the DM into submission.
01/07/2008 23:13:55 ‹Writing Lilith› seekerofshadowlight, if used properly.
01/07/2008 23:14:11 ‹Yoda› I meant like God, DemiGod, etc
01/07/2008 23:14:16 ‹BM› AKA, pull bullcrap and get away with it.
01/07/2008 23:14:20 ‹Yoda› how many tiers are there
01/07/2008 23:14:35 ‹James Jacobs› Ah. Tiers.
01/07/2008 23:14:37 ‹Writing Lilith› Like anything, a good aspect of a setting can be thrashed into bland and unfulfilling...remember the Year of Dragons? ;)
01/07/2008 23:14:41 ‹James Jacobs› Two, I guess. God and Demigod.
01/07/2008 23:14:49 ‹seekerofshadowlight› send a few pcs to the mazes normly all it takes lol
01/07/2008 23:15:01 ‹Yoda› so demon lords who grant spells are essentially demigods?
01/07/2008 23:15:05 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
01/07/2008 23:15:09 ‹James Jacobs› All demon lords are demigods.
01/07/2008 23:15:16 ‹James Jacobs› One demon lord is a god
01/07/2008 23:15:17 ‹Absinth› Regarding the LB 1 cover: I understand your concerns. The Merisiel pose is a little strange. I agree with that. But I still think that it's a great cover. The used font is great, so is the color of the "bars". It's one of the best module covers to me. The were far weaker covers in the line. It doesn't look too digital imo. On the other hand, I agree that it doesn't make sense to discuss taste here
01/07/2008 23:15:18 ‹Yoda› I also noticed that Cayden Cailean is a demigod
01/07/2008 23:15:28 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yay demigod demon lords
01/07/2008 23:15:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, it occured to me that if you were the "no god stats" type, any thing other than God or Demigod is kind of a pointless designation in 3.5
01/07/2008 23:15:52 ‹Russ› Good, the gradiations of godhood should be somewhat beyond mortal ken
01/07/2008 23:15:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its not like older editions where divine spells are limited by your patron.
01/07/2008 23:15:55 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yup! And again... I have the power to KILL COVERS. So even though I didn't like it... it's a good enough piece to BE a cover, so that works!
01/07/2008 23:15:58 ‹Writing Lilith› Russ, I feel the same.
01/07/2008 23:16:12 ‹Writing Lilith› Demigod = n00b.
01/07/2008 23:16:13 ‹Pygon› log sent David
01/07/2008 23:16:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah i like my gods unknown ..and unstated
01/07/2008 23:16:16 ‹Samwise› Russ>wow . . . thats really i can say about that and remain polite . . . wow
01/07/2008 23:16:18 ‹Writing Lilith› God = p0wnz j00
01/07/2008 23:16:19 ‹David› Yoda, he did tthe star thing
01/07/2008 23:16:25 ‹Yoda› what can't you kill James?
01/07/2008 23:16:43 ‹Writing Lilith› Cayden did the Test of the Starstone
01/07/2008 23:16:43 ‹Russ› Samwise - Yeah, wouldn't mind talking at you about that post-chat :)
01/07/2008 23:16:48 ‹Yoda› not all teh Ascended Gods are demi though ,are they?
01/07/2008 23:16:49 ‹James Jacobs› Part of the job of Editor-in-Chief (sometimes a hard part of it) is knowing the difference between what's stupid and what's good but something you yourself don't like.
01/07/2008 23:16:57 ‹Samwise› well, i couldgo slightly further . . .
01/07/2008 23:17:14 ‹Russ› I would like to see some near-gods as well as demigods
01/07/2008 23:17:32 ‹Russ› i.e. Kelanen like beings
01/07/2008 23:17:37 ‹Samwise› just after he was hired at wotc i believe, he said the ranks of freelancers are closed
01/07/2008 23:17:46 ‹Samwise› if you arent one already you wont become one
01/07/2008 23:17:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah that be cool russ
01/07/2008 23:17:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, depending on the setting "Overgod" kind of make sense too, but there shouldn't be too many of those if the setting even calls for them.
01/07/2008 23:18:11 * Absinth is afraid of James' cover-killing powers
01/07/2008 23:18:14 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Exactly. God = can grant spells, no stats. Demigod = can grant spells, stats. That's pretty much all the categories you need.
01/07/2008 23:18:25 ‹Russ› Karzoug seems pretty close to that level of power, given that I don't think he was at his full might in RL, but maybe he was
01/07/2008 23:18:25 ‹Pygon› late enough for me folks, I need to bail out. Have a good night. Thanks James!
01/07/2008 23:18:28 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> What do you mean?
01/07/2008 23:18:30 ‹Writing Lilith› Night Pygon.
01/07/2008 23:18:31 ‹Samwise› taken with those quoted comments, what he means is "i am on the inside. you all have to play my official wotc game now. ha ha, i win, deal with it! im rick james!"
01/07/2008 23:18:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite pygon
01/07/2008 23:18:46 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Pygon
01/07/2008 23:18:48 ‹Pete› There's a fine line between stupid and clever
01/07/2008 23:18:54 ‹Yoda› is Iomedae a demigod as well?
01/07/2008 23:18:57 * Pygon quit
01/07/2008 23:19:01 ‹David› night Pygon
01/07/2008 23:19:01 ‹Writing Lilith› <snark>Samwise, whatsamatter, Mearls didn't want the competition? ;) </snark>
01/07/2008 23:19:04 ‹David› Yoda, yes
01/07/2008 23:19:16 ‹Yoda› hmm, so we can get stats for them
01/07/2008 23:19:17 ‹James Jacobs› At first, yes she was. Now? I think she's moved beyond that sphere. Cayden is about to do so (if he hasn't already).
01/07/2008 23:19:24 ‹James Jacobs› In fact. I think Cayden is now a proper god.
01/07/2008 23:19:34 * Samwise shrugs at Lilith
01/07/2008 23:19:35 ‹Yoda› I guess that's how Aroden got kill't. He was just demi
01/07/2008 23:19:36 ‹James Jacobs› And I'm gonna try to prevent further references to him being a demigod.
01/07/2008 23:19:41 ‹Daigle› Yay!
01/07/2008 23:19:41 ‹Yoda› in the Gaz they are listed as demi
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01/07/2008 23:19:45 ‹David› is he in the CS?
01/07/2008 23:19:51 ‹Daigle› He leveled!
01/07/2008 23:19:53 ‹Writing Lilith› I love Cayden...the fact that he won the test drunk is just funny as hell.
01/07/2008 23:19:56 ‹David› yay!
01/07/2008 23:19:58 ‹James Jacobs› Aroden was a full god.
01/07/2008 23:20:06 ‹lojakz› woahh
01/07/2008 23:20:09 ‹Daigle› I love accidental deities
01/07/2008 23:20:12 ‹James Jacobs› Gods can be killed. Just not by mortals, under normal circumstances.
01/07/2008 23:20:14 * Writing Lilith passes out the beer in celebration of Cayden's status to full god. :beer::beer:
01/07/2008 23:20:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› :skullbones:
01/07/2008 23:20:19 ‹seekerofshadowlight› he may be missing if he is not dead
01/07/2008 23:20:22 ‹James Jacobs› They don't have stats, but they can still be killed.
01/07/2008 23:20:27 ‹Yoda› will we ever find out who killed him?
01/07/2008 23:20:27 ‹James Jacobs› Aroden is dead.
01/07/2008 23:20:30 ‹James Jacobs› He is not missing.
01/07/2008 23:20:32 ‹lojakz› mmm beer, thanks Lilith
01/07/2008 23:20:35 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, were the stars right for Aroden's death?
01/07/2008 23:20:41 ‹Daigle› I saw him on a milk carton.
01/07/2008 23:20:48 ‹seekerofshadowlight› always something bader then you out in the black huh
01/07/2008 23:20:50 ‹David› ha
01/07/2008 23:20:55 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There's a fair amount in the Gaz that I'd like to retcon. And I will. ;)
01/07/2008 23:21:05 ‹Samwise› hes a stone corpse on the astral plane now
01/07/2008 23:21:07 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> They were not. That's why Golarion's so messed up now! :)
01/07/2008 23:21:26 ‹Samwise› with the githyanki building a new city on him
01/07/2008 23:21:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just on "on camera"
01/07/2008 23:21:51 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Maybe. I think I know who killed him. I've got a pretty cool story for what happened 100 years ago at the start of the Age of Lost Omens. Most of the rest of the staff is pretty down with the story too... but until we NEED it, it's not gonna be finalized.
01/07/2008 23:22:06 ‹seekerofshadowlight› so something killed his time
01/07/2008 23:22:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its a deific murder mystery!
01/07/2008 23:22:14 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Heh. The Bad Stars were aligned for Aroden.
01/07/2008 23:22:19 ‹James Jacobs› Yup!
01/07/2008 23:22:25 ‹Russ› My module proposal probably would have involved Aroden's divine energy in some small fashion.
23:22:44 ‹James Jacobs› AND: Since we KNOW the story... we'll be dropping hints. So if we DO reveal it... it'll make sense when folk go back and look at the setting.
01/07/2008 23:23:15 * Russ likes the guy who called Cayden the god of Awesome
01/07/2008 23:23:18 ‹Sothal@work› Yay for continuity!
01/07/2008 23:23:22 ‹Samwise› speaking of which . . .
01/07/2008 23:23:23 ‹Russ› (like Barney on How I Met Your Mother Awesome)
01/07/2008 23:23:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› It WAS Asmodeus in the demiplane with the +30 candlestick of smiting!
01/07/2008 23:23:52 ‹Samwise› James>i am continually happy with how you keep developing Golarion in the APs and modules
01/07/2008 23:23:55 ‹Writing
01/07/2008 23:26:33 ‹lojakz› I agree with that KnightErrant. I love the Realms, but it has had some serious problems since 2nd edition
01/07/2008 23:26:36 ‹Writing Lilith› Green planet!
01/07/2008 23:26:42 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> It's true!
01/07/2008 23:26:48 ‹Writing Lilith› Can't wait to hear more about Akiton and Castrovel.
01/07/2008 23:27:10 ‹James Jacobs› No campaign setting launch has been perfect. Golarion certainly isn't. But! Looking at the previous campaigns and learning from them is the key.
01/07/2008 23:27:12 ‹Yoda› one of the gamers I play with just got back from Origins and can't stop talking about how awesome Golarion is. He says it might even be better than Greyhawk, which is huge coming from him, as he loves the diversity of the world
01/07/2008 23:27:19 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, do you think the small staff of Paizo is helping avoid the "too many fingers in the pie" symptoms that have plagued other settings?
01/07/2008 23:27:22 ‹James Jacobs› There's more about Akiton and Castrovel (PICTURES EVEN) in Pathfinder 14!!
01/07/2008 23:27:30 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, :squee:
01/07/2008 23:27:34 ‹seekerofshadowlight› makeing novels canon was a bad ideal
01/07/2008 23:27:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› The problem was the 4th edition fixes didn't fix the problems, they tried to sidestep them and start over.
01/07/2008 23:27:45 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> To a certain extent, yes. And to a certain extent, for some things... even Paizo has too many fingers in the pie.
01/07/2008 23:27:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nope, that wasn't it.
01/07/2008 23:27:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› It was making novels the driving factor in the history of the setting.
01/07/2008 23:28:18 ‹James Jacobs› It's a balancing trick. Get enough people on a project to get it done, but don't succumb to the "design by committee" peril.
01/07/2008 23:28:27 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, I imagine when the Campaign Setting comes out, it will help keep continuity a bit straighter.
01/07/2008 23:28:31 ‹Yoda› or allowing the fiction to have too large a scope
01/07/2008 23:28:34 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, true. Small teams are better. :)
01/07/2008 23:28:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Exactly
01/07/2008 23:28:39 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Awesome! That warms by black little heart to hear! :)
01/07/2008 23:28:41 ‹seekerofshadowlight› so true knight
01/07/2008 23:29:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› The novels should highlight and underscore what is part of the setting, not forge their own new directions and invalidate things that never got a chance to be examined.
01/07/2008 23:29:31 ‹Yoda› he's already planning on doing the Society and wants to go back and get everything he doesn't already have (he was a Dungeon/Dragon holdover to Pathfinder but hasn't read it yet)
01/07/2008 23:29:34 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I can certainly see why making the novels the driving factor was the decision; the novel line brings in SO MUCH MORE money than the RPG line... and the novels are SO MUCH MORE easy to create. it's simple math.
01/07/2008 23:30:07 ‹ollibolli› if the fiction depicts events also told as adventures, that change a setting, it is okay, but when the novels change the world and the adventures only take place in the other version of the world, it is becoming dangerous, because you can't rationalize, why something has changed
01/07/2008 23:30:07 ‹Yoda› you aren't ever going to let fiction do the same are you?
01/07/2008 23:30:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› True, but at that point, does it still make sense to try and make it the RPG flagship, at least for "standard" fantasy?
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01/07/2008 23:30:46 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, preference for Pathfinder: Novel, Short Stories, Graphic Novel?
01/07/2008 23:31:10 ‹James Jacobs› Fiction and adventures are too different to ever get along TOO well. Since the focus of fiction is the protagonists, and that's the only part of an adventure that's missing.
01/07/2008 23:31:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Plus, I'll never really get the logic of the last major 2nd edition trilogy and the first major 3rd edition trilogy pounding the hell out of Cormyr, but never getting a sourcebook detailing the country.
01/07/2008 23:31:18 ‹James Jacobs› Since protagonists = PCs.
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01/07/2008 23:31:47 ‹seekerofshadowlight› tieing some books in are fine but when ya make as many realms books as they did ...its just bad for the setting I think
01/07/2008 23:32:11 ‹Writing Lilith› too much of anything is a bad thing
01/07/2008 23:32:19 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I don't know. Pathfinder fiction is inevitable. How it'll interact with the world? I hope it'll play nice. I'd like it to. It's a scary prospect, but it's also a necessary one if we want Pathfinder to grow.
01/07/2008 23:32:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› True . . . but thats why the Harper novels and the early RAS novels worked . . . small adventureing party affecting a small area, showing what a small corner of the setting in slike.
01/07/2008 23:32:43 ‹lojakz› >KnightErrantJR, That's one thing that's pissed me off a lot about the final Realms products for 3rd edcition
01/07/2008 23:32:44 ‹Yoda› give fiction Casmaron and tell them to have fun
01/07/2008 23:32:47 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect at first, there'll be short stories. Novels will come after.
01/07/2008 23:33:12 ‹Yoda› KEJ, it was to let them have fun in Cormyr without having to deal with the in-game effects of the novels
01/07/2008 23:33:13 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yeah it was the big farun spanning books that raised army and tubled nations that started the issue
01/07/2008 23:33:30 ‹Samwise› i was going to throw in there:
01/07/2008 23:33:54 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> exactly. The novels and the adventures have to remain small and localized. The Pathfinder APs have been big stories, but they've been localized mostly in Varisia. And the expected outcomes (the PCs win!) are such that the world isn't extensively changed.
01/07/2008 23:34:00 ‹KnightErrantJR› That's been another thing that I started to have a knee jerk reaction to as a Realms fan. I wanted the novels to "count", but the more I think about it, I wanted them to "count" when they mainly provided examples and flavor.
01/07/2008 23:34:01 ‹James Jacobs› Novels will need to do the same.
01/07/2008 23:34:07 ‹Samwise› i think the key is having a team of writers who can work from minimal bare bones outlines to produce what you imagine despite doing it themselves
01/07/2008 23:34:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bingo!
01/07/2008 23:34:22 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect we'll end up picking a few nations as "fiction nations" and not do adventures set there, for example. OR: We'
01/07/2008 23:34:27 ‹Samwise› writers who can really take direction but still express themselves
01/07/2008 23:34:36 ‹James Jacobs› OR: We'll pick "played out" regions as places to set novels.
01/07/2008 23:35:03 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Varisia, for example?
01/07/2008 23:35:11 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
01/07/2008 23:35:13 ‹David› will you stick little bits of PRPG rules at the ends of your novels?
01/07/2008 23:35:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› You can have people hear about the big things in the novels, and comment on them, but not "lead the way"
01/07/2008 23:35:24 ‹Yoda› But there's so much in Varisia left to do!
01/07/2008 23:35:26 ‹David› new items and such
01/07/2008 23:35:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› small storys like the old harper books be great
01/07/2008 23:35:41 ‹David› Yoda, like leave it?
01/07/2008 23:35:44 ‹David› :)
01/07/2008 23:35:46 ‹James Jacobs› By the end of Second Darkness... we'll be moving out of Varisia. We'll come back now and then... but only to visit. And novels and short stories are a good way to visit!
01/07/2008 23:35:47 ‹Yoda› no
01/07/2008 23:35:58 ‹James Jacobs› David> No.
01/07/2008 23:36:02 ‹Yoda› the Gaz in PF3 has some great hooks
01/07/2008 23:36:11 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, would you want the novels to become "canon?" One of the things you've mentioned about the APs and the world setting is the fact that the adventures aren't assumed to take place...would you want to continue that in the novels?
01/07/2008 23:36:20 ‹Yoda› I want to see more of that stuff instead of just a paragraph
01/07/2008 23:36:34 ‹James Jacobs› The novels won't have ANY rule bits in there. We don't want to print the OGL in our novels. Which means there's gonna be some tricky stuff happening in there with what monsters and characters and elements we can use, of course!
01/07/2008 23:36:56 ‹BM› I advise that you keep the number of big name high level characters down too... that was one of the problems with FR.
01/07/2008 23:37:00 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, instead of novels or short stories...how about a return to the pulpy roots of Golarion, and released serialized Pathfinder short stores?
01/07/2008 23:37:09 ‹James Jacobs› Yoday> Yeah; there's a LOT in Varisia. We could set ALL Pathfinder APs in Varisia. But we don't have to; we have a whole world! :)
01/07/2008 23:37:18 ‹lojakz› James> Do you have any modules planned for Varisia, other than the two that have come out this past year?
01/07/2008 23:37:21 ‹Writing Lilith› stories. Feh...
01/07/2008 23:37:23 ‹Yoda› Printing the OGL in a novel doesn't make the IP open, jsut game rule stuff. So if there's no rules or stats, aren't you ok?
01/07/2008 23:37:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thinking abou this, the reason I liked Realms novels being "canon" wasn't for big events, per se, but if an author says that Chelaxians prefer wine X over wine Y, I'd like that little bit of factoid to be reflected when its relevant.
01/07/2008 23:37:34 ‹James Jacobs› And once we move out of Varisia... what's left undeveloped might kinda turn into areas GMs can take over.
01/07/2008 23:37:58 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Serialized short stores are already afoot in Pathfinder! :)
01/07/2008 23:38:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› The Big Names would never have been a problem if TSR/WOTC didn't ask authors to write abou thtem over and over again.
01/07/2008 23:38:13 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, MOOOOORE! More things in the vein of Pathfinder Journal. :)
01/07/2008 23:38:16 ‹James Jacobs› lojakz> Nope; no more modules set in Varisia yet...
01/07/2008 23:38:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Elminster was only suppose to be a retired narrator and potential tutor.
01/07/2008 23:38:24 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Gotcha, Lilith! :)
01/07/2008 23:39:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hell, Drizzt was suppose to be a local adventurer, not anyone that most people ever really head of.
01/07/2008 23:39:09 ‹paul› sleep has now defeated me, thanks for all the goodies james
01/07/2008 23:39:16 ‹lojakz› you know what, I've only read the first Pathfinder Journal from issue one, i decided to wait and read the others after Eando Kline's storey in them was finished.
01/07/2008 23:39:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There are elements in the SRD that are copyrighted, is the thing. The OGL is a license that lets us use words like "balor" or "drider" or "bulette," for example.
01/07/2008 23:39:27 ‹James Jacobs› The OGL does not cover novels.
23:39:37 ‹Yoda› hmm
01/07/2008 23:40:10 ‹James Jacobs› Therefore... Pathfinder fiction has to focus on elements that are drawn from mythology, are in public domain, or are Intellectual Property that Paizo owns (like "boggard," or "Calistria," or "starknife.";)
01/07/2008 23:40:33 ‹Yoda› got it
01/07/2008 23:40:37 ‹James Jacobs› It's a pretty slippery, tricky, and kinda scary scene, to be frank.
01/07/2008 23:40:38 ‹Yoda› thanks for he clarification
01/07/2008 23:40:43 ‹seekerofshadowlight› or just call it a demon lol
01/07/2008 23:40:51 ‹Samwise› wouldnt copyright limit novels?
01/07/2008 23:40:54 * Sir Wulf scraps his plans for a series of novels about a plucky drider and her harem of balor admirers...
01/07/2008 23:40:59 ‹James Jacobs› When we DO pathfinder fiction, we have to scour it to make sure the authors don't slip up and put in things that WotC can sue us over, in other words.
01/07/2008 23:41:10 ‹David› Sir Wulf, awww....
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01/07/2008 23:41:16 ‹seekerofshadowlight› tricky there
01/07/2008 23:41:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› "Its a huge fricking demon that's on fire . . . its so vile I can't even name its type!"
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01/07/2008 23:41:25 ‹Yoda› fanfic Wulf, fanfic
01/07/2008 23:41:38 ‹Samwise› fanfic is evil
01/07/2008 23:41:44 ‹Samwise› evil i say!
01/07/2008 23:41:51 ‹Samwise› :-P
01/07/2008 23:41:56 ‹Writing Lilith› Samwise, only if done poorly...which most of it is. :D
01/07/2008 23:41:57 ‹Yoda› slash?
01/07/2008 23:42:22 ‹Samwise› i thought fanfic by definition was always done poorly :-P
01/07/2008 23:42:32 ‹Pete› Cause the only thing worse then using a demon's name in vein.. is being sued over for it.
01/07/2008 23:42:40 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. We can call them demons. We can even use demons like succubi or devils like erinyes or imps. For the other demons, we'd have to come up with new ones.
01/07/2008 23:42:57 ‹Sir Wulf› If I'm going to write poorly, I'd prefer to be paid for it.
01/07/2008 23:43:00 ‹Pete› Enter the ballor
01/07/2008 23:43:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, if you get an author that really takes off, and they write one particular character . . . please let them do other characters if they sell well and don't force them to hamer one protagonist into the ground.
01/07/2008 23:43:02 ‹Samwise› like Gygax in the later Gord books?
01/07/2008 23:43:07 ‹Daigle› It's nearing 2am here, I've gotta jet.
01/07/2008 23:43:09 ‹Samwise› those were fun
01/07/2008 23:43:15 ‹Daigle› Y'all ahve a great evening/day.
01/07/2008 23:43:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night daigle
01/07/2008 23:43:22 ‹BM› There is good fanfics from time to time. They just happen to mountains of crap 99% of the time.....
01/07/2008 23:43:30 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya Daigle,
01/07/2008 23:43:35 ‹Writing Lilith› Night Daigle
01/07/2008 23:43:41 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Gygax had a special deal. He was allowed by TSR to use any proper nouns or words he'd used in the first 2 books. Beyond that, though, he had to reinvent things.
01/07/2008 23:43:57 ‹Samwise› yep, ive heard the story
01/07/2008 23:44:11 ‹Yoda› do you think WotC would allow Paizo to do the same?
01/07/2008 23:44:13 ‹Samwise› i just always liked the way he kept working around that
01/07/2008 23:44:16 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Sure... but if that author doesn't WANT to do other characters, that's his/her choice.
01/07/2008 23:44:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> No.
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01/07/2008 23:44:43 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> yeah; he was pretty brilliant at it.
01/07/2008 23:44:52 ‹seekerofshadowlight› yoda...:rofl:
01/07/2008 23:45:00 ‹Yoda› It'd be cool marketing for demons you do create for Golarion, though, ot have fiction centered around them
01/07/2008 23:45:04 ‹Pete› Yoda: Sure they would, for an 80% cut. :-)
01/07/2008 23:45:06 ‹James Jacobs› And in many cases, his revised stuff ended up being more interesting than the original stuff.
01/07/2008 23:45:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› True . . . its just I can think of two authors that get a bad wrap for writing the same character and both of them have expressed the desire to move on, at least for a while, but its not what wotc wants.
01/07/2008 23:45:18 ‹Samwise› heh
01/07/2008 23:45:32 ‹Samwise› indeed, that is what made those Gord books worth reading to the end
01/07/2008 23:45:45 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> It probably would... but my days of allowing WotC control over any aspect of what I'm working on or what Paizo's doing are behind me, to tell the truth. I'd much rather succeed or fail on my own.
01/07/2008 23:45:55 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, :headbang:
01/07/2008 23:46:08 ‹lojakz› Amen James!
01/07/2008 23:46:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› So . . . given the Red dragons that breathe fire were mentioned in Tolkien, would that be off limits, for example?
01/07/2008 23:46:35 ‹seekerofshadowlight› glad to hear it james
01/07/2008 23:46:37 ‹James Jacobs› And frankly... if Pathfinder fiction takes off... I want the fans to use it as a portal to finding more Paizo stuff or more works by the authors (whoever publishes them) rather than funnel them off to another publisher.
01/07/2008 23:46:44 ‹Samwise› thats one of the reasons i told erik i would give pathfinder a chance, converting my dragon/dungeon stuff over
01/07/2008 23:46:53 ‹Sothal@work› keep that opinion JJ
01/07/2008 23:46:54 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Fire breathing dragons are okay. Acid or lightning breathing ones? Maybe not.
01/07/2008 23:47:06 ‹Samwise› i wanted to see what you all could do with your own setting instead of dancing around wotc's restrictions
01/07/2008 23:47:08 ‹Yoda› That's what I meant, James
01/07/2008 23:47:13 ‹Yoda› marketing for Paizo
01/07/2008 23:47:15 ‹James Jacobs› Ah. Yeah.
01/07/2008 23:47:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› I see your point.
01/07/2008 23:47:52 ‹Samwise› acid should be ok
01/07/2008 23:47:59 ‹James Jacobs› And honestly... it's not really a huge hurdle even. Can't use a bulette? Fine! use an "eradu" or something new.
01/07/2008 23:48:11 ‹Samwise› there are numerous classic references to dragons with acidic breath or spittle
01/07/2008 23:48:16 ‹James Jacobs› True
01/07/2008 23:48:26 ‹Samwise› and of course poison
01/07/2008 23:48:26 ‹BM› Or Lighting.
01/07/2008 23:48:35 ‹Samwise› i think its lightning and cold that are the off ones
01/07/2008 23:48:38 ‹Yoda› you could probably find ones that breathed ice, too, if you looked for them
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01/07/2008 23:48:55 ‹Samwise› unless you can find some asian references
01/07/2008 23:49:00 ‹seekerofshadowlight› go back with classic posion gas
01/07/2008 23:49:09 ‹Samwise› im mostly thinking greek and norse and medieval
01/07/2008 23:49:19 ‹BM› The only thing they own is the color coded idea. Out side of that I would say you should have some room to move.
01/07/2008 23:49:19 ‹Yoda› Gygax can't have been the first to make an ice dragon
01/07/2008 23:49:45 ‹James Jacobs› Perhaps... but the point isn't to try to write fiction that skirts the legal edge. The point is to write good fiction that doesn't NEED to skirt any legal edges. If an author wants a fight with a cold-breathing dragon thing? All he has to do is describe it as a cold drake or something like that.
01/07/2008 23:49:58 ‹James Jacobs› Dragons aren't really a problem, anyway.
01/07/2008 23:50:02 ‹Samwise› very true
01/07/2008 23:50:03 ‹Sothal@work› A force- (Wind) breathing one is in the "Temeraire"-Books by Noami Novik
01/07/2008 23:50:30 ‹James Jacobs› It's things like ropers, or grimlocks, or phase spiders, or owlbears, that are the trouble makers.
01/07/2008 23:50:37 ‹Samwise› stuff like drow and driders are?
01/07/2008 23:50:39 ‹ollibolli› <--- off to work
01/07/2008 23:50:39 ‹Samwise› ahhh
01/07/2008 23:50:44 ‹ollibolli› back in an hour
01/07/2008 23:50:45 ‹Samwise› and those, yeah
01/07/2008 23:50:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its an interesting minefield I didn't really think of before James.
01/07/2008 23:51:05 ‹James Jacobs› Drow are fine. Driders are fine, but we'd have to rename them. At which point... it doesn't make sense to include them.
01/07/2008 23:51:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› You could probably mention dark elves though.
01/07/2008 23:51:30 ‹James Jacobs› And frankly... drow are probably NOT fine... since they're so closely tied to a specific type of stuff that isn't based in actual mythology.
01/07/2008 23:51:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
01/07/2008 23:51:39 ‹seekerofshadowlight› more like to have elves with spider forms
23:51:41 ‹Samwise› svartalfar are rather directly norse
01/07/2008 23:51:46 ‹Samwise› but drow . . .
01/07/2008 23:51:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, once they don't cast darkness or faerie fire, or the like.
01/07/2008 23:51:54 ‹James Jacobs› If we wanted to do a "up from below" type invasion story, we'd be on stronger footing with the derro. Or the orvians.
01/07/2008 23:52:07 ‹Writing Lilith› Orvians?
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01/07/2008 23:52:12 ‹Samwise› are not really svartalfar, especially with their elf racial split origin
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01/07/2008 23:52:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Orvians?
01/07/2008 23:52:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› C'mon, everyone join in . . .
01/07/2008 23:52:32 ‹Writing Lilith› Speak of the Orvians!
01/07/2008 23:52:35 ‹James Jacobs› Orvians are a new race of bad guys from the deep, deep darklands.
01/07/2008 23:52:42 ‹Samwise› crab people!
01/07/2008 23:52:50 ‹James Jacobs› They're from my homebrew, actually; I'm putting them into Golarion though.
01/07/2008 23:52:55 ‹Sothal@work› YAY!
01/07/2008 23:52:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Cool.
01/07/2008 23:53:18 ‹lojakz› Sweet
01/07/2008 23:53:20 ‹James Jacobs› They're creepy semi-undead vampiric creatures; humanoid, but with claws, fangs, and transparent skin. Inspired somewhat by Leiber's ghouls.
01/07/2008 23:53:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, and James, thanks for indulging my likely way too long digression into fictional discussions . . .
01/07/2008 23:53:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› well, it was a real discussion, but about fiction . . .
01/07/2008 23:53:39 ‹Sothal@work› creepy
01/07/2008 23:53:39 ‹lojakz› and on that happy note, i'm off to sleep (i hope)
01/07/2008 23:53:43 ‹James Jacobs› No prob, Knight! :)
01/07/2008 23:53:59 ‹James Jacobs› I should probably head home too. Dinner and "Song of Kali" await!
01/07/2008 23:54:01 ‹Russ› What book had the driders in 3e?
01/07/2008 23:54:09 ‹James Jacobs› Monster Manual.
01/07/2008 23:54:34 * Writing Lilith gives James Jacobs an extra bowl of chicken soup.
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01/07/2008 23:54:36 ‹Yoda› good night James. Enjoy your movie and (late) dinner
01/07/2008 23:54:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night James.
01/07/2008 23:54:47 ‹Yoda› I can't believe you're at the office still
01/07/2008 23:54:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . Leiber ghouls!
01/07/2008 23:54:50 ‹James Jacobs› Song of Kali's a book, actualy!
01/07/2008 23:54:50 ‹seekerofshadowlight› nite james
01/07/2008 23:54:55 ‹Russ› Hmm. Seem like fiction could at least think about using the OGL.
01/07/2008 23:54:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Loved Fritz Leiber . . .
01/07/2008 23:54:58 ‹Yoda› oh, well enjoy that too
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01/07/2008 23:55:43 ‹James Jacobs› Thing is, Russ... if we put in the OGL, we have to print the OGL in the book, and then we also have to make sure that there's game content in there that's open, and that opens a HUGE TANGLE of legal problems if, say, we want to option our fiction for a video game or movie or whatnot.
01/07/2008 23:55:57 ‹James Jacobs› Or it might not.
01/07/2008 23:56:04 ‹Russ› True, video games is right out.
01/07/2008 23:56:12 ‹Writing Lilith› Russ, sadly. :cry:
01/07/2008 23:56:16 ‹James Jacobs› But the point is... the OGL is a gaming license. It's not one that allows novels or movies or video games.
01/07/2008 23:56:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Things to think about and mull over though, its not a simple issue.
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01/07/2008 23:56:33 ‹James Jacobs› That's why we're keeping our content for Golarion closed, really.
01/07/2008 23:56:37 ‹BM› Legal issues never are.
01/07/2008 23:56:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› And certainly not one that we'll figure out tonight, :D
01/07/2008 23:57:01 ‹James Jacobs› So if someone DOES some day wanna do a pathfinder movie or video game... we can let them and not have to involve other companies.
01/07/2008 23:57:04 ‹Russ› Yeah, I'm thinking of the case being made that the novel is an implementation of the game rules.
01/07/2008 23:57:05 ‹Samwise› hmmmm
01/07/2008 23:57:16 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally...:plot:
01/07/2008 23:57:27 ‹James Jacobs› Especially if said other companies have already proven that their interests lie in other interpretations of the genre.
01/07/2008 23:57:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just out of curiosity, did anyone read the fiction based on the Scarred Lands? Did they ever use OGL stuff in the novel (not saying this should be a model for Paizo, just wondering now)
01/07/2008 23:57:59 ‹Russ› Age of Golarion!
01/07/2008 23:58:12 ‹Pete› Midnight approaches! I'm out of here.
01/07/2008 23:58:19 ‹BM› Russ, the cheap way of doing that is puting the fiction into a rule book.
01/07/2008 23:58:26 ‹Russ› And yep, the Gygax deal led to weird stuff like Jubilex having a different name
01/07/2008 23:58:33 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: By not including parts that are copyright WotC (like bulettes and howlers and what not), we keep it and get to do what we want. It worked for Raymond Feist pretty well, after all! :)
01/07/2008 23:58:48 ‹Absinth› .
01/07/2008 23:58:52 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I'm not sure... I never read the Scarred Lands novels.
01/07/2008 23:58:52 ‹Russ› Well....
01/07/2008 23:58:55 ‹Samwise› heh
01/07/2008 23:58:57 ‹Samwise› indeed
01/07/2008 23:59:00 ‹Russ› the APPEARANCE of the bulette was a theft from a toy.
01/07/2008 23:59:03 ‹Samwise› and he had elves all over the place
01/07/2008 23:59:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Me either, it just occured ot me.
01/07/2008 23:59:14 ‹James Jacobs› The appearance, perhpas. Not the name.
01/07/2008 23:59:17 ‹Russ› And you can still have rubbery regenerating trolls (Poul Anderson)
01/07/2008 23:59:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Eh, its something that can be hashed out at a later date . . . I don't want to keep James pondering theoreticals.
01/07/2008 23:59:57 ‹Samwise› well . . .
02/07/2008 00:00:02 ‹Samwise› i guess theres the question
02/07/2008 00:00:07 ‹Sir Wulf› Just because it was plaigarized without challenge doesn't mean it's public domain now...
02/07/2008 00:00:19 ‹James Jacobs› Thing is... it doesn't NEED to be hashed out. Paizo isn't going to put the OGL in fiction, and that's pretty much that.
02/07/2008 00:00:25 ‹Russ› Wulf - yeah, but Poul gets to do the suing, not WotC
02/07/2008 00:00:42 ‹Samwise› to what extent would reimagining a ton of monsters with general myth names into their own versions benefit golarion overall?
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02/07/2008 00:01:05 ‹Samwise› i know you started that with the monster book
02/07/2008 00:01:08 ‹James Jacobs› Thing is: we don't HAVE to reimagine many monsters. Most of them work just fine.
02/07/2008 00:01:17 ‹Samwise› but how far could you take it?
02/07/2008 00:01:18 ‹James Jacobs› Goblins, for example? We can use them all we want in fiction.
02/07/2008 00:01:22 ‹Russ› Samwise - and which myth. The D&D Gorgon IS one of the versions of the gorgon in myth.
02/07/2008 00:01:22 ‹Samwise› right
02/07/2008 00:01:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night James, thank you for your time . . . I really appreciate it.
02/07/2008 00:01:37 ‹Samwise› although your goblins are "reimagined" to some extant
02/07/2008 00:01:38 ‹James Jacobs› Same with the basilisk.
02/07/2008 00:01:40 ‹James Jacobs› And the medusa.
02/07/2008 00:01:48 ‹Samwise› im just thinking how far beyond you go with it
02/07/2008 00:02:05 ‹James Jacobs› The goblins are indeed reimagined. But they're also mythical. And the mythical goblin matches the D&D goblin pretty much exactly.
02/07/2008 00:02:12 ‹Absinth› So, just for clarification: You can't use creatures from the MM without adding the OGL? But "classic" stuff like orcs, goblins, giants etc. are fair game?
02/07/2008 00:02:20 ‹Samwise› im not saying yours are bad, im more saying that i couldnt really see using golarion goblins in greyhawk
02/07/2008 00:02:32 ‹Samwise› and i think thats a good thing (tm)
02/07/2008 00:02:38 ‹James Jacobs› Aboleths, though, are totally invented, and therefore not open for us in a novel.
02/07/2008 00:02:44 ‹Absinth› What about oozes for example?
02/07/2008 00:02:48 ‹Sir Wulf› James, thank you for sharing your evening with us!
02/07/2008 00:02:55 ‹Samwise› i like the different experience
02/07/2008 00:03:00 * Sir Wulf needs to sleep.
02/07/2008 00:03:03 * Russ is STUNNED WotC claims any kind of ownership of sahuagin
02/07/2008 00:03:07 ‹Sir Wulf› Goodnight!
02/07/2008 00:03:12 ‹James Jacobs› Oozes are fine. We'd have to call them something other than "gray ooze," but that's fine. Even if we just call them oozes, that's fine.
02/07/2008 00:03:14 ‹Russ› Yeah, the name, but they're deep ones.
02/07/2008 00:03:25 ‹Absinth› Good night!
02/07/2008 00:03:32 ‹Russ› The gelationous cube is pretty specific, tho
02/07/2008 00:03:34 ‹Samwise› i thought that was kuo-toa?
02/07/2008 00:03:41 ‹James Jacobs› Yup; we wouldn't use a gelatinous cube.
02/07/2008 00:03:46 ‹Russ› Nah, kuo-toans don't live in the sea so much.
02/07/2008 00:04:01 ‹Russ› But kuo-toans are indeed from the same literary well
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02/07/2008 00:04:06 ‹Samwise› they used to :-P
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02/07/2008 00:04:30 ‹Samwise› speaking of which . . .
02/07/2008 00:04:49 ‹James Jacobs› Check out Robert E Howard, or Jack Vance, or Fritz Leiber, in any case. They did pretty well for themselves without aboleths or carrion crawlers or rasts.
02/07/2008 00:04:56 ‹Samwise› James>i remember your comment of having the skum to use instead of the kuo-toa as aboleth servants . . .
02/07/2008 00:05:03 ‹Samwise› and i wanted to say how much i agree
02/07/2008 00:05:04 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
02/07/2008 00:05:10 ‹Samwise› im doing an aboleth campaign myself
02/07/2008 00:05:17 ‹Samwise› and really, skum are soooooooooooooooooo much better
02/07/2008 00:05:23 ‹Samwise› with the natural weapons
02/07/2008 00:05:34 ‹Samwise› and the aberration HD advancement to large
02/07/2008 00:05:36 ‹Urza› Robert E Howard's fantasy is freakin awesome :)
02/07/2008 00:05:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; the problem the skum have is that they have NO flavor, whereas the kuo-toa have LOTS of flavor. But we can fix flavor problems.
02/07/2008 00:05:56 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: Their name sucks. It's way to silly and cutsy.
02/07/2008 00:05:58 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, yes you guys can! :)
02/07/2008 00:06:15 ‹James Jacobs› Skum in Golarion are called "skum" as a sort of racial epithet by drow and other races. They'll have their own race name though.
02/07/2008 00:06:22 ‹Urza› i *heart* classic conan
02/07/2008 00:06:27 ‹Samwise› thats fine
02/07/2008 00:06:28 ‹Russ› They're a race, tho?
02/07/2008 00:06:37 ‹Samwise› like illithids are not just mindflayers :-P
02/07/2008 00:06:41 ‹Russ› I thought they were just converted mammals
02/07/2008 00:06:45 ‹James Jacobs› Age of Conan is super cool, btw. It's a BLAST seeing all this stuff in a video game. :)
02/07/2008 00:06:47 ‹Russ› hmmmmm a skum dragon!
02/07/2008 00:06:59 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, you tempt me so...:shakefist:
02/07/2008 00:07:10 ‹James Jacobs› Skum are a race; you can't make a skum with a template.
02/07/2008 00:07:27 ‹James Jacobs› I thought of introducing the skum template in Lords of Madness. Now I'm kinda glad I didn't.
02/07/2008 00:07:35 ‹Russ› Yeah, but I wouldn't call a wraith a race...a wraith is an outcome
02/07/2008 00:07:36 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, but now you can! :D
02/07/2008 00:07:49 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
02/07/2008 00:07:51 ‹Urza› i know what you mean about AoC :)
02/07/2008 00:07:52 ‹James Jacobs› Nice one, Rus..
02/07/2008 00:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› x
02/07/2008 00:07:56 ‹James Jacobs› s
02/07/2008 00:07:59 ‹Samwise› oh, blast from the past . . .
02/07/2008 00:07:59 ‹Urza› now that i got a better come i'm destroying it :)
02/07/2008 00:08:03 ‹James Jacobs› Ah HA! There's that missing s!
02/07/2008 00:08:06 ‹Samwise› speaking of Lords of Madness . . .
02/07/2008 00:08:38 * Samwise screams at James for not doing it 4 years earlier when he was running the Aboleth city for the Night Below Campaign
02/07/2008 00:08:46 ‹Russ› Love Lords of Madness. And love love love Fiendish Codex I. I used five critters from it in tonight's game.
02/07/2008 00:09:00 ‹Samwise› i converted all that stuff myself, and then you go and do a book about it after the campaign is over
02/07/2008 00:09:09 ‹James Jacobs› The crazy thing about Night Below is just how much "flavor" there ISN'T in there for aboleths! It's SO MUCH RULES!
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02/07/2008 00:09:31 ‹Samwise› heh
02/07/2008 00:09:42 ‹James Jacobs› It really shocked me, going throguh Night Below for stuff to pull and incorporate into Lords of Madness. There really wasn't much at all.
02/07/2008 00:10:04 ‹Samwise› yeah, FC I is pretty near "ridiculous" in how much there is in there to use constantly
02/07/2008 00:10:25 ‹Samwise› just so much stuff screaming "make me the focus of an adventure!"
02/07/2008 00:10:47 ‹Samwise› night below more challenges you to make up fluff
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02/07/2008 00:10:57 ‹Russ› I did a bunch of stuff involving politics of the Abyss as a backplot to the Wolf Spider quest
02/07/2008 00:11:00 ‹Samwise› unlike mind flayers which have the illithiad behind them
02/07/2008 00:11:05 ‹Russ› (Obyriths vs. tanar'ri)
02/07/2008 00:11:45 ‹James Jacobs› You had to figure out what to do with Mishka and the Queen of Chaos.
02/07/2008 00:11:47 ‹James Jacobs› ugh
02/07/2008 00:11:57 ‹James Jacobs› That was one can of worms I'm kinda glad I never had to fully take on.
02/07/2008 00:12:01 ‹Samwise› the obyrith concept didnt make me perk up immediately
02/07/2008 00:12:07 ‹Russ› Huh. I guess skum ARe a race. I thought the aboleths made them with that whole slime-skin thing
02/07/2008 00:12:16 ‹Samwise› but after reading through it a fewtimes i decided i liked it
02/07/2008 00:12:17 ‹Yoda› ok, It's past 3am here
02/07/2008 00:12:21 ‹Yoda› I can't do it anymore
02/07/2008 00:12:23 ‹Writing Lilith› Russ, I think it was implied somewhere.
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02/07/2008 00:12:29 ‹Yoda› good night, and again, thanks for your time James
02/07/2008 00:12:29 ‹Russ› I left the Queen of Chaos out of it, which made it much easier
02/07/2008 00:12:36 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. In 3E they're just not a very flavorful race.
02/07/2008 00:12:41 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That's a good solution.
02/07/2008 00:12:43 ‹Samwise› dagon has already made a guest appearance in my current aboleth campaign :-P
02/07/2008 00:12:50 ‹CD Working› good night all
02/07/2008 00:12:56 ‹Writing Lilith› Father Dagon! :cthulhu:
02/07/2008 00:13:06 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Cool! Dagon's a good guy to tie in wiht aboleths.
02/07/2008 00:13:14 * CD Working quit
02/07/2008 00:13:22 ‹Russ› there's not much room for her in the current cosmology. But there's room for her champion, since he's not powerful enough to remake the Abyss by himself.
02/07/2008 00:13:25 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... that "with" had an extra t. That's how I can tell it's time to go get food and sleep...
02/07/2008 00:13:44 * Yoda quit
02/07/2008 00:13:47 ‹Writing Lilith› Go home James! :)
02/07/2008 00:13:54 ‹James Jacobs› And so I must tear myself away before I get into a huge discussion about what I was gonna do with the Queen of Chaos and Mishka. RUN!
02/07/2008 00:13:59 ‹Samwise› i am using the dagon worshipping kuo-toa as the link
02/07/2008 00:14:00 ‹Russ› I prefer there to be no demon lords mightier than the big six or so
02/07/2008 00:14:01 ‹James Jacobs› Talk to ya next week, all!
02/07/2008 00:14:05 ‹Samwise› i like it
02/07/2008 00:14:07 ‹Writing Lilith› Night James! :D
02/07/2008 00:14:09 ‹Samwise› have a good night
02/07/2008 00:14:10 ‹David› bye James!
02/07/2008 00:14:17 ‹Russ› Frazzy, Grazzy, Orcus, Demogorgon, might just be the big four :)
02/07/2008 00:14:20 ‹Absinth› Night James and thanks a lot for taking the time!
02/07/2008 00:14:36 ‹Russ› I suppose Lolth. Though she seems more smart than powerufl.
02/07/2008 00:14:48 ‹Samwise› Russ>the gygaxian big 6
02/07/2008 00:15:09 ‹Samwise› grazzt, orcus, demogorgon, marduk, lolth, and tsuggtmoy
02/07/2008 00:15:11 ‹Sothal@work› Night JJ
02/07/2008 00:15:15 ‹Russ› Samwise - I lost track of who those six were...ahah
02/07/2008 00:15:15 ‹Mothman› See you James
02/07/2008 00:15:21 ‹Mothman› Thanks for the caht
02/07/2008 00:15:21 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> CAN'T RESIST! Yeah. I agree. Having more than 6 or so really big demon lords is meh. In FC1, those would be Demogorgon, Orcus, Graz'zt, Dagon, Obox-ob, and Pazuzu.
02/07/2008 00:15:23 ‹Russ› Marduk, the undefined one :) Lord of the Balors, I think?
02/07/2008 00:15:31 ‹Mothman› chat
02/07/2008 00:15:36 ‹Russ› Like that list! THanks! :)
02/07/2008 00:15:37 ‹James Jacobs› Lolth being beyond and a god now, so she's more or less out of the picture.
02/07/2008 00:15:46 ‹Samwise› i believe he was lord of fire demons
02/07/2008 00:16:02 ‹Samwise› demogorgon of water demons, orcus of air demons
02/07/2008 00:16:09 ‹Russ› Yeah, and I think fire demon = type 6, just like vulture demon = type I
02/07/2008 00:16:12 ‹Samwise› i asserted that made grazzt lord of earth demons
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02/07/2008 00:16:22 ‹Absinth› I never thought that Pazuzu was similar in power to Orcus or Demogorgon
02/07/2008 00:16:27 ‹James Jacobs› Zuggtmoy is a better earth demon choice.
02/07/2008 00:16:28 ‹Russ› What with with the acid dripping sword
02/07/2008 00:16:34 ‹Samwise› oddly synocrhonizing with 3E making acid the "energy" of earth
02/07/2008 00:16:41 ‹Samwise› yes
02/07/2008 00:16:43 ‹James Jacobs› Pazuzu has always been up high on the power level, actually.
02/07/2008 00:16:43 ‹Russ› Pazy is in a class of his own, he's not exactly raw power but he knows a loooot
02/07/2008 00:16:51 ‹Samwise› it was the only one less
02/07/2008 00:16:52 ‹James Jacobs› Stat wise too.
02/07/2008 00:16:57 * seekerofshadowlight joins Main
02/07/2008 00:17:04 ‹James Jacobs› <breaks out 1E MM2>
02/07/2008 00:17:09 ‹Samwise› well, zuggy was kinda put on the side with lolth (arachne)
02/07/2008 00:17:15 ‹Russ› There's a reason he survived the great power shift
02/07/2008 00:17:19 ‹Samwise› i had a nice list of that stuff
02/07/2008 00:17:22 ‹Urza› hehe
02/07/2008 00:17:25 ‹Samwise› on loose leaf paper :-P
02/07/2008 00:17:30 ‹Russ› As I recall, even in 1E Pazzy was "not like those other demon chilen"
02/07/2008 00:17:31 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. He's worth more XP than any other demon in the MM2.
02/07/2008 00:17:32 ‹Absinth› I like the concept of the big 3 (tanar'ri): Orcus, Graz'zt and Demogorgon.
02/07/2008 00:17:46 ‹Samwise› i scoured the gord books for every named fiend type and individual named fiend
02/07/2008 00:17:56 ‹James Jacobs› In fact, in 1E, only Demogorgon's worth more XP than Pazuzu.
02/07/2008 00:18:04 ‹Sothal@work› Go home James Jacobs !
02/07/2008 00:18:07 ‹Absinth› Wow...
02/07/2008 00:18:07 ‹Russ› Woohoo demo :)
02/07/2008 00:18:11 ‹James Jacobs› I CAN'T! DEMON TALK!!!!
02/07/2008 00:18:13 ‹Urza› bah don't tell him to go home
02/07/2008 00:18:13 ‹Samwise› i think pazuzu was a bit of power creep in 1st ed
02/07/2008 00:18:20 ‹Samwise› there was a lot of that over time
02/07/2008 00:18:21 ‹Urza› listening to him ramble is good stuff! :)
02/07/2008 00:18:47 ‹Russ› Hmm. Is Obox-Ob Shabiri from the Gord the Rogue books?
02/07/2008 00:18:59 ‹James Jacobs› Nope.
02/07/2008 00:19:01 ‹Russ› I probably misspelled that name, but the demon that was with Pazuzu
02/07/2008 00:19:10 ‹Samwise› shabriri wasnt it?
02/07/2008 00:19:22 ‹Samwise› i like obox-ob
02/07/2008 00:19:24 ‹James Jacobs› Obox-ob comes from MM2's demon list. The one on page 35 of the 1st edition MM2, in fact.
02/07/2008 00:19:26 ‹Samwise› a lot
02/07/2008 00:19:31 ‹Absinth› Does that mean if we'd take turns and engage James in intersting discussions about demons, he'd be somehow "imprisoned" in this chat for all of eternity?!
02/07/2008 00:19:43 ‹Samwise› he should have a nice fight with lolth over her stealing spiders from him :-P
02/07/2008 00:19:53 ‹Russ› Obox-Ob rocks.
02/07/2008 00:19:54 ‹James Jacobs› There was a list of demon lords. Back in the day, when I was first building my campaign world 25 or so years ago... I was obsessed with that list.
02/07/2008 00:20:14 ‹Mothman› So was the Queen of Chaos a demon? Is there anything official on what she was/is?
02/07/2008 00:20:15 ‹Russ› *nods* Me too. One of them was a fairly major villain for me.
02/07/2008 00:20:15 ‹James Jacobs› I wanted to write an entire book that detailed every layer of the abyss and Explored who all those demons were.
02/07/2008 00:20:41 ‹James Jacobs› I started with layer 1 (this was several years before Manual of the Planes), and the guy who ruled that was, i believe, a crab demon (Abraxus).
02/07/2008 00:21:14 ‹James Jacobs› Then I got to layer 2, and picked Obox-ob to be the ruler of that one, and the back story I built for him fascinated me so much that he sort of evolved into the main bad-guy deity of my homebrew game.
02/07/2008 00:21:22 ‹Mothman› Wow, that would have been quite a book....
02/07/2008 00:21:34 ‹James Jacobs› And he more or less ruled (still does) as that main evil deity in my home-brew, 25 years later.
02/07/2008 00:21:39 ‹Russ› Heehee
02/07/2008 00:21:52 ‹Russ› I have that sort of list in my notebook, though mostly from other sources
02/07/2008 00:22:07 ‹Russ› All 666 layers, with rulers noted where known
02/07/2008 00:22:26 ‹James Jacobs› The name itself, as far as I've been able to determine, is one Gary made up. Apart from "ob" being a word for demon in some ancient language like sumarian or some such... there's no mythological precident for Obox-ob. Which isn't hte case for most of the other names on that list in the MM2.
02/07/2008 00:22:29 ‹Samwise› that was one of the few things i didnt like about planescape
02/07/2008 00:22:32 ‹Russ› Always loved the demons more than the hells.
02/07/2008 00:22:42 ‹James Jacobs› Which certainly fueld my obsession and curriosity for Obox-ob.
02/07/2008 00:22:43 ‹Russ› Demons are the ants of the multiverse. There is more biomass of demons that everything else, combined.
02/07/2008 00:22:50 ‹Samwise› the removing of the 666 limits on abyssal layers
02/07/2008 00:23:06 ‹Russ› I like the "approximately 666 layers" theory
02/07/2008 00:23:20 ‹Samwise› feh!
02/07/2008 00:23:24 ‹James Jacobs› SO! I kept building his story and stuff for decades, and finally, when it came to me doing the Demonomicon articles for Dragon, I started sneaking him in there here and there. And then, with FC1, I finalized his role and gave him back to D&D.
02/07/2008 00:23:28 * Samwise demands a set number
02/07/2008 00:23:30 ‹Samwise› :-P
02/07/2008 00:23:44 ‹James Jacobs› I had hoped for a long time that I'd get a chance to write his Demonomicon.
02/07/2008 00:23:45 ‹Russ› He's a pretty good addition
02/07/2008 00:23:50 ‹James Jacobs› Thanks!
02/07/2008 00:23:54 ‹Russ› Sam - I like the notion of planes merging, splitting, and appearing/disappearing
02/07/2008 00:24:20 ‹Samwise› thats ok
02/07/2008 00:24:32 ‹Samwise› but id like the upper limit to be 666
02/07/2008 00:24:33 ‹Mothman› If the Abyss is going to have layers, having a set number (even a high one) seems too lawful
02/07/2008 00:24:41 ‹James Jacobs› There's a lot of content involving him that I was sneaking in to the other Demonomicons, in anticipation of when I was going to do his story. I snuck in a little bit of it into the end of Savage Tide...
02/07/2008 00:24:51 ‹Samwise› just to avoid suddenly having layer 4,329,571 show up
02/07/2008 00:24:57 ‹James Jacobs› I agree. The Abyss should have a finite number of layers. And 666 is a great number.
02/07/2008 00:25:11 ‹Mothman› Sam: good point...
02/07/2008 00:25:16 ‹James Jacobs› A finite number prevents the "I can do one better" garbage that infects so many game designers...
02/07/2008 00:25:33 ‹James Jacobs› "Oh... you think layer 666 is bad? Well, I'm bad-ass enough to design layer 667!"
02/07/2008 00:26:03 ‹James Jacobs› "And then the next guy designs layer 668, and then someone else comes along and designs layer 59034093. It's a stupid, retarded arms race.
02/07/2008 00:26:06 ‹Russ› true.
02/07/2008 00:26:16 ‹James Jacobs› <runs out of breath... hyperventilates>
02/07/2008 00:26:19 ‹Samwise› right
02/07/2008 00:26:26 ‹Russ› Could well be that every merger creates or splits a layer :)
02/07/2008 00:26:35 ‹Samwise› thats the slippery slope i want to see avoided
02/07/2008 00:26:36 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm.
02/07/2008 00:26:37 ‹Samwise› and besides
02/07/2008 00:26:40 ‹James Jacobs› It must be late.
02/07/2008 00:26:41 ‹Samwise› 666 layers?
02/07/2008 00:26:47 ‹Russ› I love the idea that there are abyssal layers so nasty that no one rules them
02/07/2008 00:26:50 ‹James Jacobs› I'm getting a possibly dangerous idea, here...
02/07/2008 00:26:51 ‹Samwise› how long would they take to detail anyway?
02/07/2008 00:26:52 * Urza grumbles about D&D need a generic Planes system that's used in every campaign setting that every campaign setting can be it's own plane attached to all the others
02/07/2008 00:26:58 * Samwise summons Stephen Colbert
00:27:05 ‹Samwise› "Better Know An Abyssal Layer"
02/07/2008 00:27:42 ‹Russ› Poor orcus. 3rd was the first edition that he avoided dying in...
02/07/2008 00:27:45 ‹James Jacobs› As In: maybe I'll just write that Demonomicon of Iggwilv: Obox-ob anyway. Then file off the copywritten names and send it out into the seedy underground of the Internets.
02/07/2008 00:27:54 ‹Mothman› I'd like to do a campaign based around exploring the Abyss. That'd be cool (although probably shortlived for the PCs)
02/07/2008 00:27:55 ‹Russ› Heh.
02/07/2008 00:28:01 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, Hee hee...
02/07/2008 00:28:05 ‹Mothman› JAmes: Do it!
02/07/2008 00:28:07 ‹James Jacobs› so tempting...
02/07/2008 00:28:19 ‹Russ› Demogorgon didn't buy it until 3rd
02/07/2008 00:28:32 ‹Urza› or make it a pathfinder product and just change the names! :)
02/07/2008 00:28:33 ‹Russ› Lolth bought it in 1st, did she get gacked in 3rd too?
02/07/2008 00:28:37 * Absinth quit (timeout)
02/07/2008 00:28:38 * Samwise quit (timeout)
02/07/2008 00:28:49 ‹James Jacobs› And then, fans in the know could go in there and find/replace names like "Rigwalv" and "Orbaxab" for the ones they may or may not prefer.
02/07/2008 00:28:51 ‹Mothman› The Book of Demons of The Witch Queen: Primordial Nasty Bug Demon Lord
02/07/2008 00:28:58 ‹James Jacobs› Actually...
02/07/2008 00:29:01 ‹James Jacobs› I already am doing that.
02/07/2008 00:29:06 ‹Russ› the book of Louhi :)
02/07/2008 00:29:10 ‹Writing Lilith› Demonomicon of Baba Yaga?
02/07/2008 00:29:19 ‹Mothman› Ha! Cool James
02/07/2008 00:29:40 ‹Urza› no no no.. verse the names so you see their true names in a mirror :)
02/07/2008 00:29:43 ‹James Jacobs› In my homebrew, Rovagug was a god of nightmares and the underdark. He was a humanoid god. For Pathfinder... I threw all that out and replaced it with the majority of my Obox-ob as a big bad god stuff.
02/07/2008 00:29:51 ‹Urza› Demonomicon of Vliwggi
02/07/2008 00:30:15 ‹Russ› Rovagug is good gumbo
02/07/2008 00:30:15 ‹James Jacobs› So... Obox-ob as a powerful demon lord = WotC... but the spiritual Obox-ob as a big bad god = Rovagug.
02/07/2008 00:30:40 * Samwise quit (timeout)
02/07/2008 00:30:56 ‹James Jacobs› The stuff I was developing for Obox-ob in the Demonomicons was already divorced from his role as a big bad god, in any case, so those two paths can continue with relative ease.
02/07/2008 00:30:59 ‹Mothman› ah ... cool
02/07/2008 00:31:01 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm.
02/07/2008 00:31:03 ‹James Jacobs› OK.
02/07/2008 00:31:50 ‹Russ› I can't wait to see Rovagug eat the castle
02/07/2008 00:31:55 * Samwise quit (timeout)
02/07/2008 00:31:57 ‹James Jacobs› I gotta go. I'll be cogitating on the wisdom of writing an article called "LIBER DAEMONICUS OF ILAGVLAD: ORBACHSAB"
02/07/2008 00:32:13 ‹Russ› Night! Thanks for hanging out late, I was afraid I'd miss the whole chat gamin'
02/07/2008 00:32:15 ‹Writing Lilith› James Jacobs, HAH! :D
02/07/2008 00:32:16 ‹James Jacobs› And maybe even hiring a few artists to do pics for it.
02/07/2008 00:32:25 ‹Mothman› Do it! See you James, thanks for the extended chat!
02/07/2008 00:32:26 ‹Urza› lol
02/07/2008 00:32:29 ‹James Jacobs› No problem!
02/07/2008 00:32:35 ‹Urza› niters james
02/07/2008 00:32:38 ‹James Jacobs› Talk to ya all later!
02/07/2008 00:32:39 ‹Sothal@work› Night James (again)
02/07/2008 00:32:40 * Absinth quit (timeout)
02/07/2008 00:32:40 ‹James Jacobs› < plot >
02/07/2008 00:32:43 ‹Writing Lilith› Thanks for demon goodness!
02/07/2008 00:32:44 ‹James Jacobs› < scheme >
02/07/2008 00:32:45 ‹Writing Lilith› :plot:
02/07/2008 00:33:00 * Samwise quit (timeout)
02/07/2008 00:33:10 ‹Mothman› I'm out too guys, seeya
02/07/2008 00:33:12 ‹David› bye James (again)!
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02/07/2008 00:33:24 ‹seekerofshadowlight› cya james
02/07/2008 00:33:28 ‹Mothman› (I should start a thread about it)
02/07/2008 00:33:49 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
20:15:43 * James Jacobs joins Main
08/07/2008 20:15:49 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, yes I did. :)
08/07/2008 20:15:52 ‹Hill Giant› JJ!
08/07/2008 20:15:52 ‹greengrunt› JAMES!
08/07/2008 20:15:53 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
08/07/2008 20:15:54 ‹Pygon› Paizo! :swoon:
08/07/2008 20:15:55 ‹Fake Healer› JJ!
08/07/2008 20:15:59 ‹cappadocius› All scenarios are available to all factions!
08/07/2008 20:16:01 ‹Eyebite› Hey James
08/07/2008 20:16:01 ‹Pygon› hi James!
08/07/2008 20:16:01 ‹Lilith› JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMES! :glomp: :thug: :raptor:
08/07/2008 20:16:08 ‹BrianC› No, but I haven't bugged Wes for work in a while, and I find it inappropriate to bother James for work here.
08/07/2008 20:16:12 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› hello James!
08/07/2008 20:16:12 ‹BrianC› You can feel free to do so, though.
08/07/2008 20:16:12 ‹James Jacobs› Aloha!
08/07/2008 20:16:19 ‹cappadocius› Speaking of factions, what is Rovagug's Holy Symbol?
08/07/2008 20:16:20 ‹greengrunt› JJ .. Just wanted to say.. Pathfinder #11= THE AWESOME! ok.. I :-&
08/07/2008 20:16:32 ‹James Jacobs› Rovagug's holy symbol is a fanged mouth surrounded by spider legs.
08/07/2008 20:16:35 ‹cappadocius› I don't recall it being mentioned in the Gaz.
08/07/2008 20:16:38 ‹cappadocius› OH.
08/07/2008 20:16:41 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› PF 11 was awesome!
08/07/2008 20:16:41 ‹James Jacobs› Yay, thanks Greengrunt!
08/07/2008 20:16:41 ‹cappadocius› It was, then.
08/07/2008 20:16:43 ‹yoda8myhead› Hey James!
08/07/2008 20:17:02 * Fray changes his/her nickname to Lurks
08/07/2008 20:17:11 * cappadocius hms and ponders if there's magic to allow his PFS character to turn his own mouth into a Holy Symbol.
08/07/2008 20:17:12 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› one of the best of all the PF's so far. I think #2 is my favorite so far
08/07/2008 20:17:22 * Lilith just got PF 11 and a load of other Paizo goodies today.
08/07/2008 20:17:36 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› so when does #12 ship!
08/07/2008 20:17:42 ‹greengrunt› Lilith what other goodies didst thou get?
08/07/2008 20:17:46 ‹James Jacobs› Good to hear! I'm nervously awaitng backlash against #11 from the anti-dungeon crawl side of things...
08/07/2008 20:18:03 ‹James Jacobs› #12 should be shipping relatively soon. Probably within a few weeks, actually.
08/07/2008 20:18:04 ‹greengrunt› JJ I love a castle crawl!
08/07/2008 20:18:08 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, a great many things...Modules, Item Cards, Planet Stories....:D
08/07/2008 20:18:10 * cappadocius needs to pick up #11 for Zon-Kuthon.
08/07/2008 20:18:19 * Darkmeer joins Main
08/07/2008 20:18:25 ‹BrianC› Bah! Your dungeons have hallways and support beams, and I'm a happy guy.
08/07/2008 20:18:29 ‹greengrunt› Hold of Belkzen :dance2:
08/07/2008 20:18:37 ‹greengrunt› Hi Darkmeer
08/07/2008 20:18:41 ‹Lilith› GUGS! I LOVE THE GUGS!
08/07/2008 20:18:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm just now starting to get caught up on Pathfinder stuff, so now I'm less guilty . . .
08/07/2008 20:18:50 ‹Pygon› James - does it still look like both PF 12 and 13 will ship in early August?
08/07/2008 20:18:50 * Lilith makes a note to use GUGS. :typerhappy:
08/07/2008 20:18:55 ‹Russ› JJ - #11 was a refreshing change from #10
08/07/2008 20:18:56 ‹greengrunt› GUGS!
08/07/2008 20:19:02 ‹yoda8myhead› 1 crawl out of a 15+ level path isn't bad
08/07/2008 20:19:04 ‹Daigle› Howdy Darkmeer
08/07/2008 20:19:10 ‹Russ› #10 was a wonderful backdrop, but essentially a linear dungeon crawl masked with an outdoor setting
08/07/2008 20:19:12 ‹yoda8myhead› plus it's the first real crawl of the series
08/07/2008 20:19:14 ‹cappadocius› OMG GUGS = AWSM
08/07/2008 20:19:21 ‹yoda8myhead› RotR had a few, but this one is alone
08/07/2008 20:19:22 ‹greengrunt› Aye Russ
08/07/2008 20:19:26 ‹Russ› #11 feels quite non-railroadie other than the split between parts A and B
08/07/2008 20:19:27 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› castle crawls are teh best!
08/07/2008 20:19:34 ‹Darkmeer› Hello all
08/07/2008 20:19:35 ‹Nameless› Hey James!
08/07/2008 20:19:41 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yeah. PF 12 adn 13 will ship very close to each other. 12 in early August, 13 in Mid August.
08/07/2008 20:19:43 ‹Darkmeer› Greetings all
08/07/2008 20:19:49 ‹Russ› And I love the possible dynamics of travelling with one or both allies, or neither
08/07/2008 20:19:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Darkmeer, :knight:
08/07/2008 20:19:55 ‹Pygon› wee! :excite:
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08/07/2008 20:20:12 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I agree completely. #10 was WAY more linear than I'd hoped for, which is why I put in that sidebar about how it's okay to mix things up.
08/07/2008 20:20:13 ‹yoda8myhead› James, will some of the GenCon stuff ship pre-Con?
08/07/2008 20:20:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› I figured I had better immerse myself a bit more in Golarion before running events at Gen Con.
08/07/2008 20:20:24 ‹greengrunt› JJ> will GenCon throw a monkey wrench in distribution dates for Paizo?
08/07/2008 20:20:52 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I suspect yes, some of the GenCon stuff will ship pre-Con. Probably not TOO pre-Con, though.
08/07/2008 20:21:17 ‹Russ› I'm pleased that the author of #11 pulled off "find the pieces of the key" without seeming like he did
08/07/2008 20:21:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› I was kind of wondering how close to Gen Con you would know if you successfully "pull off" your nuclear friday . . .
08/07/2008 20:21:28 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> GenCon will throw a monkey wrench into workflow and editing/development time... not so much distribution, though.
08/07/2008 20:21:39 ‹Russ› Love the chained spirit.
08/07/2008 20:21:45 ‹greengrunt› :sad: sorry about that sir!
08/07/2008 20:21:47 ‹Darkmeer› I'm glad to see that, honestly.
20:22:00 ‹yoda8myhead› I personally think the Umbral dragon is kickass
08/07/2008 20:22:01 ‹Darkmeer› (meant as the not too close to the con)
08/07/2008 20:22:14 ‹Fake Healer› James, I just got the Guide to Darkmoon Vale and I love it. I plan on doing up a review soon as I totally finish it. Really good stuff in there.
08/07/2008 20:22:22 ‹James Jacobs› Cool!
08/07/2008 20:22:25 ‹greengrunt› Yeah... Ohhh.. the Spirit Anchors were great!!
08/07/2008 20:22:29 ‹James Jacobs› Did you get the PDF or the print version?
08/07/2008 20:22:39 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› are wolfweres in the SRD?
08/07/2008 20:22:46 ‹yoda8myhead› Why is there no big map on the pdf?
08/07/2008 20:22:46 ‹Fake Healer› Print.
08/07/2008 20:22:47 ‹cappadocius› Oh! I think this has been asked before, but it's going to make a difference to my spending habits - when, if EVER, will PF AP monsters be collected and reprinted outside of an AP context?
08/07/2008 20:22:49 ‹Russ› Did catch some more editing glitches this time, alas
08/07/2008 20:22:50 ‹James Jacobs› Wolfweres are not in the SRD.
08/07/2008 20:22:54 ‹Russ› The nightwing is referred to as a devil, for examp
08/07/2008 20:22:58 ‹Nameless› You know, despite the linearity of PF 10, I have to say, I really, really enjoyed the feel and setting of that adventure.
08/07/2008 20:23:08 ‹James Jacobs› There's no big map in the PDF because someone forgot to include it in the PDF. I'll see if I can't get that fixed tomorrrow.
08/07/2008 20:23:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› I thought they were in the Tome of Horrors though
08/07/2008 20:23:16 ‹Russ› Nameless - I like #10, I just see it as needing more DM help than #11
08/07/2008 20:23:20 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› bummer..they would fit in great with Darkmoon vale
08/07/2008 20:23:26 ‹Pygon› oh so it's just a PDF mistake? sweet!
08/07/2008 20:23:32 ‹Russ› heh, they forgot the map again? :) IS that 3 fr 3?
08/07/2008 20:23:42 ‹Darkmeer› I believe they were in the ToH, KEJR
08/07/2008 20:23:43 ‹Nameless› Russ - In what way? You mean for spreading out the encounters?
08/07/2008 20:23:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› I mean, ToH does have Assweres . . .
08/07/2008 20:23:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, there was a map in the Gaz
08/07/2008 20:23:58 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> The Pathfinder monsters will quite likely be collected into a monster book sometime in the future. Said book's not on the schedule yet, though, and probably won't be for a while...
08/07/2008 20:24:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Man I have to use those sometime.
08/07/2008 20:24:10 ‹Russ› Nameless - Handling the party if they do it out of order, mainly
08/07/2008 20:24:11 * cappadocius nods.
08/07/2008 20:24:29 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Get used to the editing glitches.
08/07/2008 20:24:33 ‹Darkmeer› That'd be an interesting thought there, Knight
08/07/2008 20:24:33 ‹Hill Giant› Is an Asswere like a Buttfer?
08/07/2008 20:24:34 ‹Russ› Yoda - the gaz got reissued to have the map in it, I recall some other product did too (Korvosa I think)
08/07/2008 20:24:37 ‹James Jacobs› At least until Pathfinder 14, alas.
08/07/2008 20:24:41 ‹cappadocius› Looks like I'm buying more CotCT...
08/07/2008 20:24:49 ‹greengrunt› :sad:
08/07/2008 20:24:56 ‹Nameless› Russ - OK, I can totally see that. There is some work to be done...
08/07/2008 20:25:01 ‹Nameless› What happens at PF 14?
08/07/2008 20:25:10 ‹Fake Healer› I was doing a 'Hollows Last Hope' one off PBP and The Guide, along with some other adventures, has forced me to turn it into a campaign.
08/07/2008 20:25:10 ‹yoda8myhead› cappa, you only get PF for the monsters?
08/07/2008 20:25:14 ‹Russ› Asswere is clothes you wear on your legs, with the exception of assless chaps
08/07/2008 20:25:15 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› ok, so the print version of Darkmoon vale does have a map?
08/07/2008 20:25:26 ‹cappadocius› yoda: I'm only getting Curse for the Monsters and the deities.
08/07/2008 20:25:39 ‹Fake Healer› Chen- yes it does.
08/07/2008 20:25:44 ‹James Jacobs› At PF 14 we're back to having a full month to do editing and developing for Pathfinder. We'd been running at 2 to 3 weeks pretty much for, wow, pretty much since #3.
08/07/2008 20:25:47 ‹cappadocius› It's just not my "thing"
08/07/2008 20:25:48 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, any chance Weapon Groups from Unearthed Arcana would be made "official"?
08/07/2008 20:26:02 ‹cappadocius› I suspect the Drow AP will be the same.
08/07/2008 20:26:12 * yoda8myhead dislikes weapon groups
08/07/2008 20:26:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Agreed yoda
08/07/2008 20:26:27 ‹greengrunt› Aye I'm with Yoda
08/07/2008 20:26:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, I like the PF fighter version
08/07/2008 20:26:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› But not the UA version.
08/07/2008 20:26:39 * Lilith sighs. :cry:
08/07/2008 20:26:40 ‹Russ› Preserve your health! Take a vacation in Sept!
08/07/2008 20:26:45 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that the maps get left out of the PDFs because they're handled as a different file than the text, and whoever uploads the files to the PDFs just always forgets or something. <shrug>
08/07/2008 20:26:49 * Nick Logue joins Main
08/07/2008 20:26:53 ‹Nameless› I can see how an extrat 1-2 weeks could help out editing. :)
08/07/2008 20:26:54 ‹greengrunt› Russ has a point JJ
08/07/2008 20:26:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nick!
08/07/2008 20:26:55 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› ok
08/07/2008 20:26:58 ‹greengrunt› NICK!
08/07/2008 20:27:01 ‹Nameless› Mr Logue!
08/07/2008 20:27:02 ‹Blazej› Logue!
08/07/2008 20:27:04 ‹Daigle› Howdy Nick!
08/07/2008 20:27:06 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› Nick!
08/07/2008 20:27:08 ‹Pygon› James - I noticed a lot of the installments for AP3 are penned by Paizo employees. Was there any reason for this? (not that I'm complaining of course)
08/07/2008 20:27:08 ‹Blazej› Nick!
08/07/2008 20:27:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› You missed the asswere conversation!
08/07/2008 20:27:17 ‹yoda8myhead› hi Nick
08/07/2008 20:27:18 ‹Blazej› Ass!
08/07/2008 20:27:24 ‹Nick Logue› Hey Everyone!
08/07/2008 20:27:24 ‹Darkmeer› I like the fighter groups, but not the groups out of UA as well.
08/07/2008 20:27:26 ‹Fake Healer› Logue!!!
08/07/2008 20:27:28 ‹Nick Logue› I am the asswere converstation!
08/07/2008 20:27:29 ‹James Jacobs› We actually did Pathfinder 12 (as in closed out an adventrue path) and Pathfinder 13 (as in started one up) in the span of less than a month.
08/07/2008 20:27:31 ‹Pygon› hi Nick!
08/07/2008 20:27:34 ‹James Jacobs› Tis Nick!
08/07/2008 20:27:35 ‹David› hi Nick! escape from Pygon's Pants?
08/07/2008 20:27:37 ‹Nick Logue› :D
08/07/2008 20:27:41 ‹Eyebite› Hey Nick!
08/07/2008 20:27:45 ‹Pygon› David...
08/07/2008 20:27:46 ‹Nick Logue› Who ever does David?
08/07/2008 20:27:51 ‹greengrunt› that could be a movie David!
08/07/2008 20:27:51 ‹David› what?
08/07/2008 20:27:51 ‹Darkmeer› Greetings mister Logue
08/07/2008 20:27:52 ‹Nick Logue› Hi James!!!!!!!!!
08/07/2008 20:27:52 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
08/07/2008 20:27:54 ‹Nick Logue› Hi Fakey!!!!!
08/07/2008 20:27:54 ‹Pygon› god man.
08/07/2008 20:27:55 ‹Russ› Pygon - read your forward to PF #11 :)
08/07/2008 20:27:56 ‹Pygon› LOL
08/07/2008 20:28:01 * garmel joins Main
08/07/2008 20:28:02 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe! :glomp: :thug:
08/07/2008 20:28:08 ‹Nameless› James, that sounds incredibly intense. Can't wait to see the result!
08/07/2008 20:28:08 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick, there seems be some confusion about how PFS scenarios will work for parties of various factions...can you enlighten us?
08/07/2008 20:28:09 ‹greengrunt› Hey Rambler! :D
08/07/2008 20:28:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Remind me tomorrow night to ask about working assweres into an Indulgence.
08/07/2008 20:28:12 ‹Russ› Nick! Speak of the assless chap!
08/07/2008 20:28:14 ‹Daigle› Howdy Craig!
08/07/2008 20:28:15 ‹Nameless› Hey, Rambling Scribe!
08/07/2008 20:28:21 ‹cappadocius› Nick Logue!
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08/07/2008 20:28:23 ‹greengrunt› howdy garrmel
08/07/2008 20:28:29 ‹Daigle› Howdy garmel
08/07/2008 20:28:33 ‹cappadocius› Will there be Faction T-Shirts for purchase before GenCon!?
08/07/2008 20:28:37 ‹Pygon› Russ - PF #11 forward? huh?
08/07/2008 20:28:37 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yeah; the reason so many AP3 adventrues are written in house is that when we had to assign authors, we weren't sure if we were going to be doing 3.5 rules or 4th edition. If we went 4th, we didnt' know which authors would be able to handle it, so the only sane option seemed to be to do them mostly in-house so that we could handle whatever fate threw at us.
08/07/2008 20:28:39 ‹Nick Logue› Oh! Your party can have members of as many factions as you like!
08/07/2008 20:28:40 ‹cappadocius› Consider your answer carefully!
08/07/2008 20:28:52 ‹Nick Logue› Doesn't matter. You don't need to be the same faction.
08/07/2008 20:29:03 ‹Nick Logue› I dunno about the T-shirts though!
08/07/2008 20:29:05 ‹cappadocius› Faction T-Shirts!
08/07/2008 20:29:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi all!
08/07/2008 20:29:11 ‹James Jacobs› It was somewhat of a necessary evil to have so many in-house authors. Not that Jason and Wes and Mike aren't great writers, but it's Super Risky to use in house writers since we're ALWAYS LATE.
08/07/2008 20:29:13 ‹Pygon› James - makes sense, thanks :)
08/07/2008 20:29:13 * cappadocius shakes his fist.
08/07/2008 20:29:15 * Skeld joins Main
08/07/2008 20:29:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, originally I wasn't sure if CoTCT would appeal to me, but the more I've read about it, the more I've been really looking forward to picking it up.
08/07/2008 20:29:22 ‹Pygon› hi Scribe
08/07/2008 20:29:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nameless!
08/07/2008 20:29:33 ‹Darkmeer› He.
08/07/2008 20:29:35 ‹Nick Logue› SCRIBE!!!
08/07/2008 20:29:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› Wow, I have terrible Lag!
08/07/2008 20:29:52 ‹greengrunt› I had a gut feeling that COTCT was going to be the fashizzle :D
08/07/2008 20:29:55 ‹Darkmeer› Knight: You love the work, and it's right up your alley.
08/07/2008 20:29:57 ‹Fake Healer› Hey Nick! Guess what my question is......
08/07/2008 20:30:03 ‹garmel› hi!
08/07/2008 20:30:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› True
08/07/2008 20:30:16 ‹Nick Logue› Ha! Booty! So sorry Fakey! I hope to put that contest to bed this weekend!
08/07/2008 20:30:20 * cappadocius notes that it seems like he likes the CotCT monsters better than the RotRL monsters, but the adventures' positions are reversed.
08/07/2008 20:30:27 ‹cappadocius› Something for everyone in an AP!
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08/07/2008 20:30:29 ‹Nick Logue› Life has been utterly utterly crazy lately.
08/07/2008 20:30:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nick putting booty to bed . . .
08/07/2008 20:30:33 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson Throne was a tough one to do. We did a LOT of weird stuff in there that isn't "standard D&D" adventure material. It mostly works, though, thank goodness...
08/07/2008 20:30:44 ‹Nick Logue› Knight: That's me!
08/07/2008 20:30:48 ‹greengrunt› Nick> To bed with a Jaegerbomb or a shotgun blast? :razz:
08/07/2008 20:30:53 ‹cappadocius› What sort of stuff, James?
08/07/2008 20:30:59 ‹Fake Healer› Any idea of front-runners? Names I may have heard of that stoked your interest, Nick?
08/07/2008 20:31:08 * cappadocius wouldn't know "standard D&D" if it hit him with a +3 Scimitar of A Clue.
08/07/2008 20:31:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Its sounds really interesting the more I've heard about it James, and I like the alternating traditional/pushing things a bit approach.
08/07/2008 20:31:17 ‹Nick Logue› Every blast Jaeger out of a shotgun barrel? It's the shiz!
08/07/2008 20:31:29 ‹greengrunt› Crimson rocks JJ.. I had faith in Paizo
08/07/2008 20:31:31 ‹Pygon› James - the order number for Paizo's online system will hit 1,000,000 within 2 days! Anything planned?
08/07/2008 20:31:33 ‹Skeld› hello everyone
08/07/2008 20:31:38 ‹greengrunt› :rofl: @ Nick
08/07/2008 20:31:39 ‹Russ› Pygon - the known authors thing was mentioned in the forward to #11
08/07/2008 20:31:46 ‹Nick Logue› No news yet Fakey! I'd need to check out my notes on it and they are in NYC...alas I am in Buffalo right now.
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08/07/2008 20:31:57 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> A big urban scene with lots of political stuff going on, a huge plague event, things like Blood Pig and Sredna, the whole nature of "A History of Ashes," etc.
08/07/2008 20:31:58 ‹Pygon› Russ - ah, ok. I haven't been reading them because I wanted to play in it
08/07/2008 20:32:04 ‹Nick Logue› Hey Greengrunt! Howdy!
08/07/2008 20:32:08 ‹Lilith› Nick Logue: How are the parents? :hugs:
08/07/2008 20:32:15 ‹cappadocius› Huh.
08/07/2008 20:32:18 ‹Ross writing› James Jacobs, CotCT is GREAT.
08/07/2008 20:32:24 ‹greengrunt› Oi Nick! :D
08/07/2008 20:32:29 ‹Nick Logue› A little better Lilith thanks for asking!
08/07/2008 20:32:38 ‹James Jacobs› Plus some stuff we're doing in #12. We sort of bit off a little more than we could chew there. We could do an ENTIRE AP about a city in revolution... it's a shame that we didn't get to spend too much time in Korvosa when things get really crazy.
08/07/2008 20:32:38 ‹Nameless› Frankly, CotCT has turned out really interesting and varied. I like that every installment has a pretty different feel.
08/07/2008 20:32:45 ‹Nick Logue› I even took my Dad to the Casino tonight...his favorite haunt.
08/07/2008 20:32:48 ‹Ross writing› Rambling Scribe, I am also lagged.
08/07/2008 20:32:52 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> No plans I know of, nope.
08/07/2008 20:33:00 ‹greengrunt› a little better=:D Good news, I like it sir!
08/07/2008 20:33:08 ‹Lilith› Nick Logue, Oh good...hopefully that's an improvement. :)
08/07/2008 20:33:10 * cappadocius goes back to his Extremely Variant Spawn of Fashan corner.
08/07/2008 20:33:13 ‹Nameless› Yeah, the lag seems to be significant.
08/07/2008 20:33:21 ‹cappadocius› So, James! Any Q1 spoilers for us?
08/07/2008 20:33:31 ‹Pygon› yes, teasers, anything!
08/07/2008 20:33:31 ‹Nick Logue› It be! Thanks Liz!
08/07/2008 20:33:33 ‹Daigle› It's not so much that I'm lagged, it's just that I'm having a hard time following everyones conversations.
08/07/2008 20:33:41 ‹yoda8myhead› I don't notice any lag
08/07/2008 20:33:44 ‹Nick Logue› SPOILERS JAMES!!! GIVE'EM!
08/07/2008 20:33:48 ‹cappadocius› Will "Hungry Are the Dead" be out for my Birthday?
08/07/2008 20:33:57 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> I like those things too; but a lot of them aren't handled well by D&D and/or aren't things that have been done often, so there was a lot of testing new ground and taking chances. OH! Like Harrow. That was actually a HUUUUUGE risk.
08/07/2008 20:33:57 ‹BrianC› These chats aren't exactly the floor of the US Senate.
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08/07/2008 20:34:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› My lag has improved. I think it was just from signing on.
08/07/2008 20:34:08 ‹greengrunt› Daigle.. you need to LAY OFF the ganja! :razz:
08/07/2008 20:34:22 ‹James Jacobs› No spoilers for Q1 yet, alas. We've got names for all the stuff now, including a name for AP4, but I'm not yet allowed to reveal them.
08/07/2008 20:34:23 ‹Darkmeer› James: an AP in a revolution would be great! I like the idea, and hope Paizo does one.
08/07/2008 20:34:26 ‹yoda8myhead› BrianC, I second that motion
08/07/2008 20:34:41 ‹Pygon› ](*,)
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08/07/2008 20:34:43 ‹Nameless› Q1? I'm not following...
08/07/2008 20:34:43 ‹BrianC› Filibuster!
08/07/2008 20:34:53 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, we won't tell if you reveal it :D
08/07/2008 20:34:54 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> If "your birthday" is SUPER LATE this year, then yeah, Hungry are the Dead might come out that day.
08/07/2008 20:34:56 ‹Fake Healer› You leave Daigle alone, GG! Pass that over here, Daigle.....
08/07/2008 20:34:57 ‹yoda8myhead› James, no one's gonna tell if you squeal
08/07/2008 20:34:57 ‹Pygon› Nameless - Quarter 1 2009 bok announcements
08/07/2008 20:35:03 ‹Daigle› :lol:
08/07/2008 20:35:04 ‹greengrunt› no talkie of Senate please! ](*,)
08/07/2008 20:35:06 ‹cappadocius› My Birthday is Sept. 14!~
08/07/2008 20:35:14 ‹Nameless› aha! Thanks, Pygon!
08/07/2008 20:35:18 ‹cappadocius› The release schedule says "mid-september release"!
08/07/2008 20:35:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just out of curiosity, are the old "Gamemastery" adventures, if they get reprinted, going to get the Pathfinder branding like the new adventures?
08/07/2008 20:36:02 ‹James Jacobs› Hmmm... I suspect Hungry are the Dead will slip to Late September. Maybe early October. The modules kinda took a hit the last few months when we were putting out the other 1,200 pages of product in June...
08/07/2008 20:36:17 * cappadocius sniffles.
08/07/2008 20:36:24 ‹cappadocius› What WILL be out for my birthday?
08/07/2008 20:36:30 ‹greengrunt› How many pages is the Campaign Setting??
08/07/2008 20:36:34 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> If we reprint any of the older adventures, yes, we'll brand them as Pathfinder adventures.
08/07/2008 20:36:40 ‹cappadocius› greengrunt: 354 as I recall.
08/07/2008 20:36:43 ‹James Jacobs› Campaign Setting Hardcover is 256 pages.
08/07/2008 20:36:46 ‹Blazej› So long for CS release...
08/07/2008 20:36:46 ‹greengrunt› :shock:
08/07/2008 20:36:57 ‹cappadocius› 354. 256. Close enough.
08/07/2008 20:36:58 ‹Darkmeer› Wow! 1200 pages! :cookie: for the Paizo crew!
08/07/2008 20:37:08 ‹Russ› good, my wallet needs to rest
08/07/2008 20:37:11 ‹Ross writing› James, Nick, if you had to drop a gnome-owned tavern into Korvosa, where would it go?
08/07/2008 20:37:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . good I thing I've only got PDFs so far . . . once I buy the "real" ones they might all match . . .
08/07/2008 20:37:18 ‹Nameless› The CS sounds pretty interesting. I love the art for the cover.
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08/07/2008 20:37:25 ‹greengrunt› that is ... a mass of pages... Like a "Page Golem!"
08/07/2008 20:37:30 ‹greengrunt› Hey Absinth
08/07/2008 20:37:32 ‹Nick Logue› James: You and Mike field gnome questions.
08/07/2008 20:37:33 ‹Lilith› Ross writing, there's the Posh & Turtle... :)
08/07/2008 20:37:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
08/07/2008 20:37:41 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Dunno. I'm not sure there WOULD be a gnome-owned tavern in Korvosa, actually. Korvosa's pretty human-dominated...
08/07/2008 20:37:47 ‹cappadocius› Nick: Who fields Rovagug questions?
08/07/2008 20:37:51 ‹James Jacobs› Me
08/07/2008 20:37:55 ‹Absinth› Good morning, Paizonians
08/07/2008 20:37:56 ‹Nick Logue› Yep!
08/07/2008 20:38:04 ‹Nick Logue› Good morning Absinth!
08/07/2008 20:38:07 ‹cappadocius› Does Nick do *anything* anymore?
08/07/2008 20:38:08 ‹cappadocius› ;)
08/07/2008 20:38:17 ‹Nick Logue› James...you must PLAY Rovagug. PLAY HIM!
08/07/2008 20:38:17 ‹Darkmeer› Good morning Absinth, or evening from my end of the world.
08/07/2008 20:38:20 ‹BrianC› He's the pretty one.
08/07/2008 20:38:22 ‹James Jacobs› The best place to drop in a gnome tavern would be in Thief Town, on the northeast shores of the Jeggare.
08/07/2008 20:38:23 ‹Nick Logue› You know what I am talking about mofo!
08/07/2008 20:38:37 ‹Nameless› Oh, Nick! Someone was asking ealier about rewards for GMs in the Pathfinder Society. Are there any? If so, what kind?
08/07/2008 20:38:42 ‹greengrunt› Aye.. I second Nick's motion!
08/07/2008 20:38:53 ‹James Jacobs› Nick> You'll need to build me a castle to eat then...
08/07/2008 20:38:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› In honor of me actually remembering to send Darkmeer the link to the chat, are there any plans for planar adventures now that you guys have a more solid statement of what Golarion's cosmology is?
08/07/2008 20:39:05 ‹Darkmeer› :D
08/07/2008 20:39:08 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yes.
08/07/2008 20:39:09 ‹Nick Logue› Not a problem. So you'll do it?
08/07/2008 20:39:21 ‹Russ› I'd love to know more about how PF Society plans to address the standard problems that living campaigns run into. Maybe we could talk about that a while.
08/07/2008 20:39:21 ‹Pygon› a planehopping AP, perhaps?
08/07/2008 20:39:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gigity . . .
08/07/2008 20:39:27 ‹Darkmeer› Even Better :dance:
08/07/2008 20:39:31 ‹Rathendar› ah good, back from afk and chats in full swing, hi nick, and jj
08/07/2008 20:39:39 ‹Lurks› Nameless> That was me. :)
08/07/2008 20:39:42 ‹James Jacobs› I suppose I can drop that kind of a spoiler. There WILL be planar adventure stuff happening in 2009. No planehopping AP yet... not a LOT of planehopping, at least...
08/07/2008 20:39:43 ‹Lilith› Russ, yes, agreed!
08/07/2008 20:39:46 ‹Nick Logue› Paizo Vouchers (good for Paizo product) will be available for GMs at shows we attend. Beyond that I'm not sure yet, Frost would know!
08/07/2008 20:40:06 ‹Blazej› FROST!
08/07/2008 20:40:06 ‹Fake Healer› cool, JJ.
08/07/2008 20:40:13 ‹Nameless› Hmm, Paizo Vouchers sound like the best kind of vouchers...
08/07/2008 20:40:27 ‹James Jacobs› Josh WOULD have been here... but he had a Hot Date with Ron Perlman.
08/07/2008 20:40:31 ‹greengrunt› JJ>Any APs on Golarian's Moons
08/07/2008 20:40:35 ‹Eyebite› like.....Paizo bucks
08/07/2008 20:40:46 ‹cappadocius› Ron Perlman's hot.
08/07/2008 20:40:47 ‹Nick Logue› HELLBOY!
08/07/2008 20:40:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ron Perlman FTW!
08/07/2008 20:40:56 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Nope. Although we'll have some info about the moon (Golarion has only 1 moon) in pathfinder 14
08/07/2008 20:40:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, it took me a second to process that.
08/07/2008 20:40:59 ‹Lurks› Coolio... I'll take some paizo dollars then...
08/07/2008 20:41:00 ‹Nick Logue› I love Ron Perlman!
08/07/2008 20:41:00 ‹Pygon› "You I know, I'm ugly..."
08/07/2008 20:41:01 ‹Nameless› Wait, Hellboy II is out already?
08/07/2008 20:41:06 ‹Pygon› *Yeah...
08/07/2008 20:41:13 ‹Nick Logue› He is the best thing about Alien: Resurrection.
08/07/2008 20:41:15 ‹James Jacobs› He's goign to an advance screening.
08/07/2008 20:41:15 ‹greengrunt› HELLBOY ROCKS! Oops.. :-&
08/07/2008 20:41:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› It is if you know people . . . :razz:
08/07/2008 20:41:22 ‹Nick Logue› "I will f%~#ing kill you! Does that compute!!!"
08/07/2008 20:41:26 ‹cappadocius› He is the best thing about any movie he's in, Nick.
08/07/2008 20:41:29 ‹Absinth› I experienced something scary yesterday. I was riding on a bus late in the evening, when a guy that looked a little like a rocker sat next to me. I saw that he was tattooed and glanced sideways to see how these look like. I was stunned to see a tattoo on the back of his hand that looked exactly like the symbol of Ovagug.
08/07/2008 20:41:30 ‹Nameless› Nice! I can't wait to see that one.
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08/07/2008 20:41:35 ‹James Jacobs› Advance screening stuff shows up rather often at Paizo, actually. We're still on lots of lists from the old Amazing Stories days.
08/07/2008 20:41:51 ‹Nameless› Nice deal!
08/07/2008 20:41:53 ‹Absinth› Sorry, Rovagug
08/07/2008 20:42:03 ‹James Jacobs› Woah. Awesome!
08/07/2008 20:42:05 ‹Russ› Not so much about finding anything about PFS, eh?
08/07/2008 20:42:06 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, sah-weet! :)
08/07/2008 20:42:12 ‹James Jacobs› You should have asked him about the Pit of Gormuz!
08/07/2008 20:42:14 ‹cappadocius› HAIL ROVAGUG!
08/07/2008 20:42:17 ‹Russ› I'm just a bit antsy, since it seems like Paizo doesn't have much exposure to late-era RPGA play
08/07/2008 20:42:20 ‹Lurks› test
08/07/2008 20:42:22 ‹Darkmeer› That's a cool deal for Paizo, James (and all others)
08/07/2008 20:42:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› I had to rewatch Hellboy this weekend after looking at all of the graphic novels at the bookstores and thinking "I need to buy some of these"
08/07/2008 20:42:33 ‹Russ› And LG learned a LOT in 8 years
08/07/2008 20:42:37 ‹Mr Baron-Chen› so when will the Q1/2009 stuff be announced?
08/07/2008 20:42:40 ‹Ross writing› Must...work ....for Paizo...Need advance tickets...
08/07/2008 20:42:42 ‹greengrunt› Graphic Novels are awesome Knight
08/07/2008 20:42:45 ‹Absinth› But what was even more scary was, that you could see that the tattoo was really old. The colour turned blue etc. ...
08/07/2008 20:42:46 ‹Darkmeer› KNIGHT! Save your money for Paizo!
08/07/2008 20:42:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Especially after reading the whole "Koshei the Deathless and Baba Yaga" stuff.
08/07/2008 20:42:50 ‹Nick Logue› What did you ask Russ...did I miss a question?
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08/07/2008 20:43:01 ‹Darkmeer› (okay, hellboy's a good choice)
08/07/2008 20:43:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
08/07/2008 20:43:13 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect we'll be anouncing the Q1 stuff in a few weeks. The solicitations are due next week... so soon after that, I would guess.
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08/07/2008 20:43:30 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :excite:
08/07/2008 20:44:01 ‹yoda8myhead› James, who do you solicit to?
08/07/2008 20:44:06 ‹Russ› Nick - I was wondering if we could talk about what PFS is doing to avoid common Living campaign pitfalls
08/07/2008 20:44:09 ‹Nick Logue› Jason Bulmahn and Erik Mona are LG Mac-Masters btw. They had a LOT of good input for the creation of PFS.
08/07/2008 20:44:26 ‹Nick Logue› Name a pitfall and I'll let you know what we are doing.
08/07/2008 20:44:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm really wondering what you guys have coming up . . . after this year I wasn't sure you guys could crank out anything else, but I'm betting I'm wrong.
08/07/2008 20:44:34 ‹Lilith› Nick Logue, tell us more about the Ascension of the Drow event! :)
08/07/2008 20:44:42 ‹James Jacobs› The first batch of solicitations go to Diamond. Which then pretty much goes right into the book trade, from Amazon to all the brick & mortar stores.
08/07/2008 20:44:42 ‹Fake Healer› I want a "How to" for the Pathfinder Society stuff. I never did any "Living" campaigns so I have no experience.
08/07/2008 20:44:51 ‹Russ› i.e. character logging, advancement rate, treasure distribution, item access, the potential for character conversion down the road, DM rewards (which someone else asked), module arc pacing....
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08/07/2008 20:45:04 ‹Darkmeer› That's an interesting thought there, Knight. They have a good number of things they can cover, and they don't step on any previous editions or canon.
08/07/2008 20:45:22 ‹greengrunt› That was what turned me off from RPGA sanctioned stuff Russ
08/07/2008 20:45:26 ‹Russ› Order-sensitivity in adventures (will you allow them to be played in any order, or will you enforce storylines)
08/07/2008 20:45:27 ‹Nick Logue› We are murder-f$&&ing certs. No f*#@ing certs.
08/07/2008 20:45:29 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There's some REALLY neat stuff next year, never fear!!!
08/07/2008 20:45:34 ‹Russ› Dealing with playing different PCs in different parts of an arc
08/07/2008 20:45:36 ‹yoda8myhead› What does a solicitation consist of, and what is the purpose of it, other than to get advance word out to the industry of upcoming products?
08/07/2008 20:45:45 ‹Russ› You know RPGA hasn't had certs for like 6 year,s right? :)
08/07/2008 20:45:46 ‹yoda8myhead› how do they respond to your solicitations?
08/07/2008 20:45:56 ‹Nick Logue› Yes.
08/07/2008 20:45:57 ‹Russ› Wait, 7 years :P
08/07/2008 20:45:59 ‹greengrunt› That's alot o damn paperwork for a DM (RPGA)
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08/07/2008 20:45:59 ‹Nick Logue› They use ARs.
08/07/2008 20:46:06 ‹Nick Logue› We are doing something similar.
08/07/2008 20:46:10 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
08/07/2008 20:46:10 ‹greengrunt› Hi Wyvern
08/07/2008 20:46:12 ‹Nick Logue› They are called Chronicles.
08/07/2008 20:46:15 ‹Russ› I hope you keep the idea of an adventure RECORD, which is an incredibly good thing
08/07/2008 20:46:22 ‹Absinth› Hey Wyvern...
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08/07/2008 20:46:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm really excited about running the events, but I'm still a bit nervous about it too.
08/07/2008 20:46:40 ‹Russ› I would recommend against ever allowing open conversion, btw, it has been a fiasco in any campaign it happened in
08/07/2008 20:46:47 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, same!
08/07/2008 20:46:51 ‹Nameless› August 1st can't come soon enough. I'm pretty excited about organizing some PF Society events at the FLGS.
08/07/2008 20:46:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› TLR keeps quitting. I think he's using Hide in plain Sight...
08/07/2008 20:47:00 ‹cappadocius› Don't worry, I'm not a disruptive problem player, Knight
08/07/2008 20:47:03 ‹Fray› KnightErrantJR, Ditto
08/07/2008 20:47:07 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, yes...:-k
08/07/2008 20:47:08 ‹Daigle› Russ, what's open conversion?
08/07/2008 20:47:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
08/07/2008 20:47:09 ‹Wyvern› Heyas!
08/07/2008 20:47:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> A solicitation is basically the name, author, physical details, price, ISBN number, summary, sales points, and all the stuff a bookstore needs to know about a book before they order it. Basically: A catalog entry. The purpose is to show bookstores what we're gonna offer; without solicitations, they don't know what's available to get.
08/07/2008 20:47:13 ‹cappadocius› just a problem player. :)
08/07/2008 20:47:23 ‹Ross writing› cappadocius, the Posh and Turtle is owned by a human wizard.
08/07/2008 20:47:25 ‹James Jacobs› And since the book trade works so far in the future, we have to get them the info SUPER EARLY.
08/07/2008 20:47:26 ‹Pygon› RS - I woudl have cast blur, but apparently how well that works against SA is up to interpretation.
08/07/2008 20:47:36 ‹cappadocius› Ross: er. okay?
08/07/2008 20:47:36 ‹Lilith› Ross writing, yeah, I was remembering that myself....
08/07/2008 20:47:39 ‹Russ› Daigle - when the rules change enough (i.e. for LG, when 3.5 came out, and again later), letting someone retool their character to take advantage of the new rules. It is a horrible idea.
08/07/2008 20:47:41 ‹Rambling Scribe› KnightErrantJR: Imagine how nervous I was running PFS for Nick, Josh, Jason et al.
08/07/2008 20:47:42 ‹greengrunt› :sad:
08/07/2008 20:47:43 ‹Nick Logue› Core Rulebooks. You must create a new character for PFS. The division of the "arcs" into Seasons is helpful too. Also the Season's plots being loosely knit is helpful too. It's all about the Factions really. You do good, your faction does awesome.
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08/07/2008 20:48:04 ‹Darkmeer› James: How far in advance do you work your schedule for books (honest question)
08/07/2008 20:48:05 ‹greengrunt› RS> looks like you did fine man! :D
08/07/2008 20:48:06 ‹Daigle› Thanks!
08/07/2008 20:48:14 ‹Nick Logue› We will allow conversion to Pathfinder RPG at the outset of Season 1 though.
08/07/2008 20:48:14 ‹Russ› Treasure division and item access? Opening the DMG to purchase, or restricting it? Do items have to be split at the table, or are you abstracting it?
08/07/2008 20:48:16 ‹Absinth› I just finished reading PF #10 yesterday and I have to say that it's a damn fine adventure! It's great! It's like a mini-campaign. Well done, Paizo boys!
08/07/2008 20:48:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I can imagine that was a trip . . . especially after reading about the characters they played . . . :shock:
08/07/2008 20:48:24 ‹Blazej› Nick Logue, What will happen to characters from Season 0 when Season 1 starts? Will that have to be replaced?
08/07/2008 20:48:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: It went well, but I was pretty nervous!
08/07/2008 20:48:37 ‹Russ› I don't think requiring feedback from DMs is going to wind up working well.
08/07/2008 20:48:50 ‹Pygon› RS - did Erik's face stay like that?
08/07/2008 20:48:52 ‹Nick Logue› The DMG is not open to purchase. You buy what you find, and you can earn the right to buy other things by scoring enough Prestige. Items are not split at the table.
08/07/2008 20:48:57 ‹Nick Logue› Abstraction is our friend.
08/07/2008 20:49:01 ‹cappadocius› Hail Mother Taldor, Our Home and Native Land! From the Glistening Mounds of your Native Lasses to the Creeping Smoke of your grand Opium Dens, we sing our praise of thee!
08/07/2008 20:49:02 ‹greengrunt› RS>Dude.. you're a kick ass fencer.. What do you have to be worried about :razz:
08/07/2008 20:49:06 * cappadocius hms.
08/07/2008 20:49:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pygon: Erik's face took on many unusual expressions over the evening.
08/07/2008 20:49:22 ‹James Jacobs› Darkmeer> We're just right now assigning books to authors that will be coming out in Feburary through April. And we're a little late there. Basically... we come up with a book idea about a year early, then get the author writing it six to nine months before it is scheduled to hit shelves.
08/07/2008 20:49:26 ‹cappadocius› That would've been better if I could've gotten that out RIGHT after "you do good, your faction does awesome."
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08/07/2008 20:49:47 ‹Nick Logue› Blazej: No. You can keep playing your character through Seasons. Though there is a level cap. After that you can STILL play your character if you want, but only in special events. You have to make a new one if you want to keep playing Scenarios.
08/07/2008 20:49:50 ‹Nameless› Nick Logue > I really like the idea of having access to better stuff with higher prestige.
08/07/2008 20:49:52 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Thanks! :)
08/07/2008 20:50:00 ‹BrianC› :-#
08/07/2008 20:50:02 ‹Darkmeer› Wow, That's a heck of an advance to the stores, thanks James
08/07/2008 20:50:04 ‹Nick Logue› Yep! Me too! I had for fight for that.
08/07/2008 20:50:09 ‹Nick Logue› It was worth fighting for!
08/07/2008 20:50:14 ‹Nick Logue› Prestige is cool!
08/07/2008 20:50:16 ‹Russ› And I assume you're going for slower-than-core advancement?
08/07/2008 20:50:21 ‹greengrunt› Level Caps= Horrible WOW flashbacks... NOOOOO! :razz:
08/07/2008 20:50:22 ‹Fray› How do you get Prestige?
08/07/2008 20:50:27 ‹Nameless› Agreed, and a pretty good film, too.
08/07/2008 20:50:30 ‹Russ› (core D&D advances bloody fast for a living campaign)
08/07/2008 20:50:47 ‹Pygon› grunt - the level cap is where the real game begins though! Oh, wait....
08/07/2008 20:50:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Core D&D advances fast period.
08/07/2008 20:50:50 ‹Russ› I missed any answer on DM rewards, and if you get anything out of eating a module
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08/07/2008 20:51:04 ‹Darkmeer› Seasons & Level caps, I'd assume that there would be a highest level for a season, with the next season advancing to the next "phase" of advancement.
08/07/2008 20:51:05 ‹James Jacobs› Darkmeer> It's actually a pretty tight schedule... I would LOVE to get out even further. WotC has about a year to a year and a half cycle for their products.
08/07/2008 20:51:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick, say I run half the adventures for a home group, and play the other half. Will my PC be way behind in level by the end of a season?
08/07/2008 20:51:10 ‹Ross writing› Rogue, you ok?
08/07/2008 20:51:17 ‹Nameless› Russ> I imagine modules are loaded with fibre.
08/07/2008 20:51:23 ‹Nick Logue› Advancement is paced VERY differently. Basically, every Scenario you play you get 1 XP. You need 3 XP to level. We control the pacing! THE POWER!!! :-)
08/07/2008 20:51:38 ‹cappadocius› Whoa.
08/07/2008 20:51:38 ‹Russ› 3 per is awfully fast.
08/07/2008 20:51:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bwah ha ha ha . . .
08/07/2008 20:51:44 ‹yoda8myhead› so do the scenarios scale?
08/07/2008 20:51:47 ‹Darkmeer› James> :shock: at a 1.5 year ahead schedule! Wow.
08/07/2008 20:51:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Sorry, I laughed for you Nick . . .
08/07/2008 20:51:50 ‹greengrunt› Yoda>Just as long as your season doesn't get cancelled.. Like Firefly :pissed:
08/07/2008 20:51:52 ‹cappadocius› So, my gnome's only going to be level 2 after GenCon?
08/07/2008 20:51:53 ‹cappadocius› crazy!
08/07/2008 20:52:02 ‹Russ› LG's had good success with a starting rate that is close to 3, but trends towards 8 as you go up levels
08/07/2008 20:52:03 ‹Nameless› 3 scenarios is approx. 12 hrs of gaming time, correct?
08/07/2008 20:52:14 ‹Nick Logue› DM rewards will be Paizo Vouchers...but I don't know if we are doing these for all GMs or just ones at shows we are attending. Josh would know.
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08/07/2008 20:52:32 ‹Russ› Ugh. I would REALLY recommend not screwing your DMS for not going to the big shows.
08/07/2008 20:52:54 ‹Fray› Russ, agreed
08/07/2008 20:53:00 ‹Russ› And remember, psychology says rewarding one group is the same as punishing the ones who don't get rewarded
08/07/2008 20:53:00 ‹Nick Logue› 3 works well for our timeline of module release. No one will be able to reach the level cap in one Season...well they could, but it would be very hard.
08/07/2008 20:53:03 ‹Darkmeer› greengrunt> that hurts... right here, man.--> *heart*
08/07/2008 20:53:14 ‹Fray› I'm sure there will be something there for GM's...
08/07/2008 20:53:16 ‹Nick Logue› No need to Ugh. I just don't know what the plan for that is yet. :)
08/07/2008 20:53:23 ‹Absinth› I second that, Russ, What about people from countries that don't have many cons (like in germany)?
08/07/2008 20:53:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm hoping that I can get Pathfinder events at our smaller local con in Feb, once I know how to juggle all of that.
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08/07/2008 20:53:41 ‹Nick Logue› I'm certain there will be rewards but I don't get to decide what they'll be. That's Josh's field.
08/07/2008 20:53:50 ‹Russ› Hmm. I think you're gonna find you need to put the brakes on in later seasons.
08/07/2008 20:53:57 ‹Russ› (as far as that advancement rate goes)
08/07/2008 20:54:03 ‹yoda8myhead› How many pages are the scenarios going to be, and will they have full color illustrations? Something that one could purchase and collect and be proud of?
08/07/2008 20:54:10 ‹Russ› 3 mods turns out to be not very long to have a given power group
08/07/2008 20:54:11 ‹greengrunt› Aye.. and now Nathan Fillion is doing Desparate Housewives! I know the actor has got to work.. but F- - K!
08/07/2008 20:54:14 ‹Fray› There's a Break PrC in PRPG?
08/07/2008 20:54:18 ‹Absinth› More :coffee: for :cthulhu:
08/07/2008 20:54:44 ‹Eyebite› Aye, I hope there will be a way to purchase at least some of the scenarios - for those of use that can't make it to cons in other parts of the country
08/07/2008 20:54:47 ‹David› .
08/07/2008 20:54:48 ‹Nick Logue› The art will be minimal for the scenarios.
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08/07/2008 20:54:54 ‹Russ› How are you dealing with widely disparate levels at the gaming table? I know you don't need to YET :)
08/07/2008 20:55:05 ‹Russ› Eyebite - I hope they don't charge for scenarios.
08/07/2008 20:55:09 ‹Russ› Art should be MAP.
08/07/2008 20:55:15 ‹Nick Logue› You can purchase them though, for a nominal fee as PDFs.
08/07/2008 20:55:26 ‹Pygon› yay!
08/07/2008 20:55:36 ‹Russ› "Nominal" had better not be $2 - $3
20:55:41 ‹Eyebite› that's what I wanted to hear :)
08/07/2008 20:55:41 ‹Nick Logue› Approved Venues (like gaming stores) get them for free.
08/07/2008 20:55:47 ‹Skeld› Nick Logue, what is a nominal fee ... ballpark figure?
08/07/2008 20:55:49 ‹Russ› (sorry, I have issues with misdefining nominal)
08/07/2008 20:55:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Will they ever be reprinted or collected as a full season to run outside of organized play?
08/07/2008 20:55:55 ‹Darkmeer› I like that Nick. That would be awesom.
08/07/2008 20:56:00 ‹Daigle› Seriously $2-3 is too much?
08/07/2008 20:56:04 ‹Nameless› Nick> How do gaming stores become "approved venues"?
08/07/2008 20:56:08 ‹Russ› Daigle - yeah, it is.
08/07/2008 20:56:11 ‹Nick Logue› It will probably be $2 - $3. I'm not sure yet. There WILL be art btw. Just not much.
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08/07/2008 20:56:18 ‹Nick Logue› They just apply to do so on the site.
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08/07/2008 20:56:20 ‹greengrunt› I heard the PDFs purchase is entirely dependent on how well you DM :razz:
08/07/2008 20:56:27 ‹Pygon› eek.
08/07/2008 20:56:29 ‹David› wow
08/07/2008 20:56:30 ‹Russ› Daigle - RPG numbers went through the roof when they stopped charging.
08/07/2008 20:56:34 ‹Russ› Okay, $3 is not a "nominal" fee.
08/07/2008 20:56:35 ‹Eyebite› I think $2-3 for PDFs is a steal
08/07/2008 20:56:39 ‹Nameless› Sounds simple enough. The site launches on August 1st, right?
08/07/2008 20:56:41 ‹James Jacobs› Art is important. If we're going to offer these beyond cons, they need to look professional. Art is an indespensible part of that.
08/07/2008 20:56:45 ‹yoda8myhead› can someone boot TLR so he stops timing out all over hte place?
08/07/2008 20:56:48 ‹cappadocius› $3 is nothing!
08/07/2008 20:56:48 ‹Nick Logue› BTW: Everything I say here is just the CURRENT model. Josh needs to approve everything and so does Erik.
08/07/2008 20:56:58 ‹Daigle› yeah...I find that cheap.
08/07/2008 20:57:07 ‹Wyvern› I'm not much into organized play, but I've heard that DMs are more like just referees and are not allowed to improvise and deviate from what's written. Is that true on PFS too?
08/07/2008 20:57:10 ‹yoda8myhead› $3 value depends on page count too, not just art
08/07/2008 20:57:10 ‹Daigle› I think free can be bad sometimes.
08/07/2008 20:57:11 ‹cappadocius› I buy candy bars more expensive than that!
08/07/2008 20:57:18 ‹Absinth› James, I have a PF question. I didn't get the part in the shoanti background article where there's talking about their past. Is it correct, that the shoanti served the runelords back then or who were the Azghat?
08/07/2008 20:57:19 ‹Nick Logue› Yep! Player's Guide and the like will be available August 1st.
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08/07/2008 20:57:34 ‹Russ› cappa - $3 is a LOT for something that's not even a Dungeon adventure, and not even in hardcopy
08/07/2008 20:57:34 ‹Eyebite› Yoda - I think he probably just wants to get in ont he chat - my IE and the chat have problems at times too
08/07/2008 20:57:41 ‹Russ› Then I need to spend 10 cents a page printing it too
08/07/2008 20:58:04 ‹greengrunt› LR was having problems last week too :sad:
08/07/2008 20:58:12 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The Shoanti did not serve the Runelords. The military cast that the Shoanti were descended from did.
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08/07/2008 20:58:24 ‹Eyebite› Hey watcher!
08/07/2008 20:58:25 ‹cappadocius› I really don't think Paizo should bear the brunt of your printing costs.
08/07/2008 20:58:26 ‹greengrunt› hi Watcher
08/07/2008 20:58:28 ‹Nameless› Watcher!
08/07/2008 20:58:33 ‹Nick Logue› These are about 7 - 8 thousand words a pop. About the size of Hollow's Last Hope. They are also being written by the likes of Greg Vaughan, Craig Shackleton, Tim Hitchcock, Mike Kortes, myself and other well known freelancers. Not bad for $2 (which is more likely the figure).
08/07/2008 20:58:33 ‹Russ› I'm looking at $6 to run a one-day gathering. At that point, why not give the finger to PFS, and run a PDF module that I can play over 2-3 sessions?
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08/07/2008 20:58:59 ‹James Jacobs› It's been 10,000 years since then; and a lot of what the Shoanti remember has been handed down in oral traditions, and there's a LOT of corruptions and evolutions that occur in that kind of time frame.
08/07/2008 20:59:10 ‹Watcher› Hi folks, long time no see
08/07/2008 20:59:10 ‹Eyebite› I think that sounds like a damn good deal
08/07/2008 20:59:13 ‹Nick Logue› Russ: Or you could go to Approved Venue and run for free.
08/07/2008 20:59:19 ‹Pygon› hi Watcher
08/07/2008 20:59:23 ‹Nick Logue› That's really what we're catering towards here.
08/07/2008 20:59:24 ‹Russ› Or I could play RPGA stuff for free.
08/07/2008 20:59:25 ‹Eyebite› Watcher - where ya been? :)
08/07/2008 20:59:29 ‹Darkmeer› Greetings Watcher
08/07/2008 20:59:32 ‹cappadocius› I don't know, Russ. Why DON'T you just give the finger to PFS?
08/07/2008 20:59:33 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Because you won't be assured of the quality if you're running a random PDF module?
08/07/2008 20:59:43 ‹Daigle› Howdy Watcher
08/07/2008 20:59:43 ‹Skeld› Nick Logue, are you guys going to encourage online play as well?
08/07/2008 20:59:44 ‹Russ› Big mistake. Home play is bigger than store play, by a factor of 10
08/07/2008 20:59:45 ‹Nick Logue› Word.
08/07/2008 20:59:47 ‹Absinth› Okay, then the Azghat were the rulers of Thassilon and the Shoanti turned against them, when they turned to evil/sin?
08/07/2008 20:59:52 ‹Fake Healer› So, how do I join the Pathfinder society? Is the info up and ready or do I need to wait?
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08/07/2008 21:00:13 ‹Nick Logue› August 1st all will be revealed Fakey! Rock!
08/07/2008 21:00:17 ‹Nick Logue› Thanks Russ.
08/07/2008 21:00:21 ‹Nick Logue› We know.
08/07/2008 21:00:23 ‹Russ› Cappadocius - if it's going to just repeat the mistakes of the last 20 years of RPGA play, I probably will give it a pass.
08/07/2008 21:00:28 ‹Nameless› Only a few short weeks away.
08/07/2008 21:00:36 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Sort of... it's a corrupted version of the truth. The Shoanti myth is mostly just that; a myth.
08/07/2008 21:00:36 ‹Fake Healer› *marks calender*
08/07/2008 21:00:37 ‹Watcher› I have been playing Pathfinder RPG on Tuesday nights, actually. Nualia took a PC out, but the rest of them defeated her
08/07/2008 21:00:41 ‹Nick Logue› I did mention Erik LIVING GREYHAWK Mona is on point here right? I'm just one of the PFS team.
08/07/2008 21:00:42 ‹cappadocius› Rock on, Russ, rock on.
08/07/2008 21:00:53 ‹Absinth› Hey Watcher, I just asked myself what happened to you, when I realised, I haven't seen your owl on the boards lately...
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08/07/2008 21:00:59 ‹Ross writing› Gah. I really want a coke, but I shouldn't have caffeine so late. Woe is me.
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08/07/2008 21:01:07 ‹Russ› Nick - Erik missed the last 7 years of LG, in which they fixed much of what had been done wrong under his watch.
08/07/2008 21:01:26 ‹Nick Logue› Russ: Why are you assuming so? We are aiming for something really different. That's why I (a guy who NEVER played RPGA) was brought on board...for a fresh perspective.
08/07/2008 21:01:29 ‹Russ› While I greatly respect Erik's work, he set up a good living campaign, but didn't make it work, that happened later
08/07/2008 21:01:31 ‹Nameless› Watcher> You're lucky, I haven't seen a PC death in far too long. I've become too nice a GM in my old age. ;)
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08/07/2008 21:01:43 ‹greengrunt› Ross> I've been having those new Mountain Dew flavors to stay up- leave me too wired
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08/07/2008 21:02:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› :coffee:
08/07/2008 21:02:20 ‹Russ› Well, I would HOPE you guys would have the good sense to bring in people at least for advice who HAVE made the RPGA work, rather than repeating the mistakes they eventually learned to avoid.
08/07/2008 21:02:50 ‹Nick Logue› Jason's here too. Don't forget. ALSO: We ain't aiming to do things like the RPGA. PFS will be its own magnificently fun thing. My advice: Check out the info on August 1st before you write it off (and badmouth it). Then if you think it's poo, poo-poo on it at will my man.
08/07/2008 21:03:10 ‹greengrunt› :D
08/07/2008 21:03:19 ‹greengrunt› Nick said "poo"
08/07/2008 21:03:22 ‹BrianC› Poo!!
08/07/2008 21:03:23 ‹Nameless› True, at this point, we have scant details, so who knows how it'll end up. My bet: awesome.
08/07/2008 21:03:25 ‹Nick Logue› HA!
08/07/2008 21:03:26 ‹Nick Logue› I did!
08/07/2008 21:03:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm really excited to be on the ground floor. I've never been a part of this sort of thing, because Living Greyhawk always felt a bit impenetrable to me, and this feels a little smaller and more, I don't know, organic?
08/07/2008 21:03:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick's taming his dirty mouth
08/07/2008 21:03:38 ‹BrianC› poopoopoopoopoopoopoopoopoopoopoopoopoo
08/07/2008 21:03:39 ‹Daigle› I totally read that as scat details
08/07/2008 21:03:39 ‹Nameless› Just with the roster of freelance writers they have for the modules.
08/07/2008 21:03:42 ‹BrianC› :typerhappy:
08/07/2008 21:03:43 ‹Russ› Roger. My feedback isn't welcome. Shutting up.
08/07/2008 21:03:46 ‹Nick Logue› I usually aim for Awesome! :D
08/07/2008 21:03:58 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> We're not trying to ape the RPGA necessarilly either. I'm probably the WORST person to talk about it (I've never played in a tournament module and, frankly, find the whole scene very offputting as compared to casual gaming)...
08/07/2008 21:03:58 ‹Nick Logue› Yeah, we wanted to lauch the campaign in style. Hence the all-star line up of freelancers.
08/07/2008 21:04:01 ‹cappadocius› Russ, are you even LISTENING to what is being said to you?
08/07/2008 21:04:10 ‹cappadocius› Also, how is "Don't suck like RPGA sucked" feedback?
08/07/2008 21:04:21 ‹Russ› Cappa - yeah, I'm listening to you ripping on me, dude
08/07/2008 21:04:24 ‹Russ› And Nick pilin' on now
08/07/2008 21:04:33 ‹James Jacobs› But this isn't the best venue to try to give us advice on how to run an Organized Play setup.
08/07/2008 21:04:36 ‹Nick Logue› I'm all for taking some advice from RPGAers. I've had a few conversations with Creighton Broadhurst and others.
08/07/2008 21:04:52 ‹Lilith› Russ, chill...All they are asking is wait until August 1st to give feedback. Is that so hard?
08/07/2008 21:04:54 ‹greengrunt› JJ>If I was in a major metropolis that had access to that kind of play.. I'd be all over it.. But I'm in east Redneck
08/07/2008 21:05:01 ‹James Jacobs› If only because it's a SUPER CASUAL venue, this chat.
08/07/2008 21:05:11 ‹Daigle› East Redneck! Ha!
08/07/2008 21:05:17 ‹Absinth› I just had a near TPK last week as the group strayed off the path and into an unprepared sidetrek. They entered the cairn of an ancient warlord. I only mentioned this on a sidenote for flavour, but as soon as I mentioned rumours of treasure, off they went. Four out of five are dead meat now. You shouldn't fight mummies on 3rd level...
08/07/2008 21:05:20 ‹cappadocius› Seriously, *I'm* allowed in on this thing.
08/07/2008 21:05:22 ‹James Jacobs› Frankly, if you're that worried, posting your concerns on the Messageboards is a MUCH better place to go.
08/07/2008 21:05:25 ‹cappadocius› How useful can it be?
08/07/2008 21:05:48 ‹Nick Logue› I'm not ripping on you my man! Seriously. I'm just not getting where you are coming from yet. We haven't officially released much info about PFS yet. I'm not sure why you think it's gonna suck. If you think it's gonna suck and have valid reasons, now is the time to tell me. I can change EVERYTHING! I have this power...well, when Josh lets me. ;-)
08/07/2008 21:05:51 ‹Russ› I figured talking about PFS *once* on this chat wouldn't kill us. I said I'm shutting up.
08/07/2008 21:05:55 ‹Eyebite› Will the PFS convention games be coming to California at all? (If you guys even know yet)
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08/07/2008 21:06:01 ‹Fake Healer› Russ, you've been totally negative for like 15 minutes, Come on already, it's Paizo. They actually TRY to make everything awesome.
08/07/2008 21:06:02 ‹greengrunt› It's hard meeting new players around here Daigle :sad:
08/07/2008 21:06:17 * cappadocius blinks.
08/07/2008 21:06:24 ‹cappadocius› Haven't we been talking about PFS all night?
08/07/2008 21:06:26 ‹Eyebite› wb watcher
08/07/2008 21:06:33 ‹James Jacobs› Also, I can't help but note that this chat room has ALWAYS been a friendly and nice place. And if talking about the PFS is wrecking that, I'd rather shitcan the PFS talk here rather than have the chat room turn into a firestorm.
08/07/2008 21:06:34 ‹Nick Logue› You don't have to shut up. Tell me what you think sucks. I'll take your advice. You're obviously really passionate about this. I like passion.
08/07/2008 21:06:35 ‹Nameless› Hey, Watcher's back!
08/07/2008 21:06:36 ‹Daigle› greengrunt, I can imagine. I grew up in a small town in Texas. I think my group was the gaming group in that area.
08/07/2008 21:06:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . I'm in central Redneck . . . always wanted to see West Redneck . . . er . . . no . . . no I didn't.
08/07/2008 21:06:56 ‹greengrunt› Well.. Absinth had some nice questions on the Shoanti cappa
08/07/2008 21:07:11 ‹The Last Rogue› If you guys don't calm down right now, I will sneak attack all of y'all
08/07/2008 21:07:17 * The Last Rogue sneaks back into the shadows
08/07/2008 21:07:22 ‹Lilith› The Last Rogue, LOL! :rofl:
08/07/2008 21:07:25 ‹Daigle› Oh, now the Rogue talks!
08/07/2008 21:07:27 ‹Eyebite› Hey, rogue is back too
08/07/2008 21:07:30 ‹Nameless› Guys, don't be fooled by the shadows, he's still here.
08/07/2008 21:07:31 ‹Pygon› He'll do it too.
08/07/2008 21:07:35 ‹James Jacobs› BEWARE> I don't have sneakatackable parts...
08/07/2008 21:07:44 * Pygon casts faerie fire
08/07/2008 21:07:47 ‹Blazej› ...
08/07/2008 21:07:49 ‹Russ› Capp - no, we've been talking about it for about 30 minutes
08/07/2008 21:07:50 ‹greengrunt› LR... you don't really intimidate us ya know...you've been teleporting in and out like a mage on crack :razz:
08/07/2008 21:07:52 ‹The Last Rogue› Damn!
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08/07/2008 21:07:53 ‹James Jacobs› I keep them in jars.
08/07/2008 21:07:56 ‹Rathendar› i think russ has high hopes for PFS, and is just trying to voice his concerns, which is a type of feedback when you don't have concrete rules/info yet, i think he was hoping to get a little bit of that in reply. (i could be wrong)
08/07/2008 21:07:57 ‹Nick Logue› It's true what James J. says. I've tried.
08/07/2008 21:07:57 * Absinth shudders...
08/07/2008 21:08:04 ‹cappadocius› Oh, sorry. HALF the night.
08/07/2008 21:08:06 ‹Fray› Eyebite, You in Cali? where at?
08/07/2008 21:08:06 ‹Eyebite› Moth! Hey
08/07/2008 21:08:08 ‹Wyvern› Hrm... I think my question got buried in the chat avalanche... here it goes again ;)
08/07/2008 21:08:11 ‹Nick Logue› Russ: I'm open. Feedback me.
08/07/2008 21:08:12 ‹cappadocius› Would you like to address what Nick said now?
08/07/2008 21:08:12 ‹Absinth› Hey Mothman!
08/07/2008 21:08:13 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mothman!!
08/07/2008 21:08:15 ‹Russ› Lilith - I was positive on using certs and abstract treasure division, in fact
08/07/2008 21:08:15 ‹Wyvern› I'm not much into organized play, but I've heard that DMs are more like just referees and are not allowed to improvise and deviate from what's written. Is that true on PFS too?
08/07/2008 21:08:19 * BrianC drinks James' jars.
08/07/2008 21:08:20 ‹Eyebite› Lodi area, you?
08/07/2008 21:08:20 ‹cappadocius› I think Russ is hella lagged.
08/07/2008 21:08:36 ‹Russ› I'm positive on rapid advancement initially, but I think you're gonna have to slow it down circa level 5
08/07/2008 21:08:43 ‹greengrunt› Hey Moth! :D
08/07/2008 21:08:47 ‹Russ› I'm pleased (and didn't bother to comment as such) that the mods will be order-agnostic
08/07/2008 21:09:08 ‹Russ› And thank god there's not open DMG access :)
08/07/2008 21:09:21 ‹cappadocius› Wyvern: I'm not a Paizonian, but as a rule, yes. Organized play REQUIRES every stick to the script, or it becomes unfair.
08/07/2008 21:09:22 ‹Russ› Though please consider giving open access to low level scrolls and potions :)
08/07/2008 21:09:34 ‹Mothman› Hey guys
08/07/2008 21:09:36 ‹cappadocius› "everyone stick to the script"
08/07/2008 21:09:41 ‹Blazej› Hey.
08/07/2008 21:09:42 ‹Pygon› hi Moth
08/07/2008 21:09:43 ‹Mothman› whoa ... lag
08/07/2008 21:09:49 ‹Watcher› Ho Mothman
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08/07/2008 21:11:52 ‹Nick Logue› Russ: Yeah, that was our thought too. I nerfed Crafting. I slew it. But everyone agreed with me.
08/07/2008 21:11:55 * Absinth gets a refill
08/07/2008 21:12:01 ‹cappadocius› Nick: Can you give Wyvern an "official" answer to his/her question?
08/07/2008 21:12:02 ‹Russ› James> Yeah, I alluded badly to that under the comment about not having to use two systems for it
08/07/2008 21:12:03 ‹Nick Logue› Word. Thanks James: Tis true.
08/07/2008 21:12:04 * Daigle got his print Gaz today!
08/07/2008 21:12:19 ‹Nick Logue› Shoot! What was Wyvern's question?
08/07/2008 21:12:20 ‹Watcher› Congrats Daigle
08/07/2008 21:12:23 ‹greengrunt› which Gaz Daigle!!
08/07/2008 21:12:25 ‹Pygon› yay Gaz!
08/07/2008 21:12:27 ‹Wyvern› I am a he/she!
08/07/2008 21:12:30 ‹Daigle› THE Gaz
08/07/2008 21:12:33 ‹Wyvern› :)
08/07/2008 21:12:40 ‹Pygon› Nick - it was about ahving to stick to the script
08/07/2008 21:12:40 ‹Fray› Eyebite, 600+ miles from me... hard to game with that comute... ;)
08/07/2008 21:12:43 ‹Absinth› Have fun, Daigle! It's a great read!
08/07/2008 21:12:45 ‹cappadocius› Wyvern? Don't waste your 30 seconds of Nick's attention!
08/07/2008 21:12:48 ‹greengrunt› Which Gaz!?
08/07/2008 21:12:49 ‹Nick Logue› FOUND IT!
08/07/2008 21:12:54 ‹Pygon› in the scenarios
08/07/2008 21:12:54 ‹Wyvern› I'm not much into organized play, but I've heard that DMs are more like just referees and are not allowed to improvise and deviate from what's written. Is that true on PFS too?
08/07/2008 21:12:57 ‹Nick Logue› Sorry Wyvern!
08/07/2008 21:12:57 ‹Blazej› Although if you are getting 1 experience per session I doubt people would want to spend it making a 1st level scroll.
08/07/2008 21:12:58 ‹Eyebite› lol a little bit Fray...a little bit
08/07/2008 21:13:13 ‹Fray› Wyvern› I'm not much into organized play, but I've heard that DMs are more like just referees and are not allowed to improvise and deviate from what's written. Is that true on PFS too?
08/07/2008 21:13:28 ‹cappadocius› Now we wait for Nick to type his response!
08/07/2008 21:13:32 ‹Daigle› Now I can take it with me!
08/07/2008 21:13:32 ‹Nick Logue› Okay:
08/07/2008 21:13:32 ‹Justin's EVEing› damn, I feel like I've missed so much
08/07/2008 21:13:32 ‹greengrunt› The Pathfinder Gaz or the Dark Horizon's Uni Gaz??
08/07/2008 21:13:33 ‹Daigle› Absinth...I've been reading as much of the PDF as I can in a sitting
08/07/2008 21:13:35 ‹Russ› And as for the negative - I'm approaching this as how do I get an RPGA nut to try PFS. So I've got an eye out for things that are death to local play, like con-centrism (which I hope won't be an issue) and charging for mods (which I think will be, but I'll have to see how it plays out,), so that's where that negative comes from
08/07/2008 21:13:37 ‹Russ› Wyvern - it's not true in the RPGA, but some try to browbeat DMs into that
08/07/2008 21:13:39 * Justin's EVEing changes his/her nickname to Justin Sluder
08/07/2008 21:13:41 * Fray cues muzak
08/07/2008 21:13:43 * Pygon hums the Jeopardy theme
08/07/2008 21:13:44 ‹Skeld› stay on target...
08/07/2008 21:14:01 ‹Nick Logue› I am currently writing the PFS GM's Guide and I am encouraging what I call "Incorporation of Deviation"...it's just a working phrase really, and now that I read it, it looks like poo. :D
08/07/2008 21:14:17 ‹Russ› If I only need to buy a PFS mod ONCE no matter how many times I run it, that'll help a lot. The old TSR/WotC model was "pay to be able to report".
08/07/2008 21:14:18 ‹cappadocius› "Incorporation of Deviance" is awesome, though.
08/07/2008 21:14:23 ‹Hill Giant› Incorporation of Deviancy?
08/07/2008 21:14:33 ‹Russ› scenario, pardon
08/07/2008 21:14:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm interested to see how the end of Living Greyhawk shakes out. I know a lot of those folks aren't up for Living FR (but a lot are) . . . should be an interesting time of it.
08/07/2008 21:14:43 ‹greengrunt› If you got Sinister's Uni Gaz I'm going to start dropping F-Bombs Daigle.. I swear!
08/07/2008 21:14:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Icorporeal Deviants?
08/07/2008 21:14:48 ‹Nick Logue› Russ: Correct. You only need to buy it once.
08/07/2008 21:14:51 ‹Fray› Nick Logue> So... the PFS GM's Guide looks like poo... hmmmm....
08/07/2008 21:14:58 ‹Rambling Scribe› ...Incorporeal...
08/07/2008 21:15:00 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Paizo's not an enormous company; and as a result, we don't really have the luxury at this time to give out the scenarious for free is the thing. Who knows what the future might bring, though!!
08/07/2008 21:15:02 ‹Nick Logue› AND! Incoporation of Deviancy always!!!
08/07/2008 21:15:02 ‹cappadocius› Russ: That was my understanding of the model. You can buy the scenario for the nominal fee, and then run and report as often as you like. But you can only PLAY a scenario once.
08/07/2008 21:15:06 ‹Pygon› $2-3 per session would kinda suck wouldn't it...
08/07/2008 21:15:11 ‹Daigle› greengrunt...no worries there. I do not have that....yet.
08/07/2008 21:15:22 ‹Russ› Pygon - it DID.
08/07/2008 21:15:39 ‹Russ› Keeping in mind that I was RPGA hardcore, and would play as many as 100 rounds a year (and run more)
08/07/2008 21:15:41 ‹greengrunt› Oh so you got the Pathfinder Gaz?? That was pretty cool!
08/07/2008 21:15:45 ‹Wyvern› Ah! Thanks Nick! ...and cappa and Russ.
08/07/2008 21:16:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, much as I'd love to stick around, I've got to run.
08/07/2008 21:16:05 ‹cappadocius› Don't thank me! I often misunderstand and get things wrong!
08/07/2008 21:16:07 ‹James Jacobs› My understanding as well. Buy the module for two bucks, then you can run it for as many groups as you want. Charging for each report seems bass-ackwards to me, as far as encouraging GMs to recruit new players goes.
08/07/2008 21:16:07 ‹greengrunt› I really wished they covered the other side of Golarion too though :sad:
08/07/2008 21:16:12 ‹Pygon› gnite er, Knight.
08/07/2008 21:16:14 ‹Daigle› Have a great night KNight!
08/07/2008 21:16:22 ‹Nameless› Nick, I like this Incorporation of Deviance idea and would like to hear more... :)
08/07/2008 21:16:24 ‹Russ› Thank you for the clarification.
08/07/2008 21:16:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Taking the kids to the fair tomorrow nite, so I'm not sure if I'll see ya'll tomorrow or not
08/07/2008 21:16:31 ‹greengrunt› Night Knight
08/07/2008 21:16:32 ‹Nick Logue› Basically, GMS at homeplay can do WHATEVER they want with a Scenario as far as I'm concerned. BUT! At a convention...time constraints make it harder.
21:16:36 ‹Nameless› Later Knight!!!
08/07/2008 21:16:44 ‹Fray› Later KNight
08/07/2008 21:16:47 ‹Nick Logue› Nameless: It's called Sinister Adventures. :lol:
08/07/2008 21:16:49 ‹Russ› Are you targeting for 4 hour slots, or 5?
08/07/2008 21:16:49 ‹Fake Healer› I spend $6-7 a session on beer. $4-5 a session on food. $2-3 isn't much if the quality that Paizo is known for is there.
08/07/2008 21:16:50 ‹Watcher› Later Knight
08/07/2008 21:16:50 ‹Eyebite› Night KEJR
08/07/2008 21:16:51 ‹greengrunt› Take care of the fam Knight! :D
08/07/2008 21:16:53 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> There's more than "the other side." The inner sea region's about as big as the top of Africa and Europe. There's a LOT LOT LOT more out there.
08/07/2008 21:16:59 ‹Skeld› Nick Logue, that's what i wanted to hear...
08/07/2008 21:17:24 ‹Nick Logue› You only pay to buy the PDF. You can run it as many times as you want. And we hope its LOTS O' TIMES!
08/07/2008 21:17:27 ‹Nameless› Nick, oh, Sinister Adventures will be seen by me. My roommate is buying everything coming out, and I will be playing it! One of the few campaigns I play in.
08/07/2008 21:17:33 ‹Urza› JJ: I'll happily pay for the scenerios if you guys maintain a comparible quality between the PFS scenerios and the PF Set Pieces :)
08/07/2008 21:17:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night all . . .
08/07/2008 21:17:40 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Damn! If the Gaz would've been 300 plus pages.. I still would've been all over that! :D
08/07/2008 21:17:58 ‹Watcher› Not to change the subject, but I'm looking forward to Ascent of the Drow
08/07/2008 21:18:04 ‹Nick Logue› Nameless: NICE! Hope you survive! :D
08/07/2008 21:18:10 ‹cappadocius› I was correct that you can only PLAY a scenario once, though, right?
08/07/2008 21:18:11 ‹Russ› Do you know if you will be using lifestyle costs? I'm rooting for "no" myself
08/07/2008 21:18:13 ‹Nick Logue› 4 hour slots.
08/07/2008 21:18:16 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> As Overlord of All Things RPG... making sure the scenarios are high quality is part of my job. Getting art in there and getting Nick involved are two ways we're planning on keeping things quality.
08/07/2008 21:18:22 ‹Nick Logue› NO on lifestyle.
08/07/2008 21:18:28 ‹Nameless› Nick, should I be worried that my roommate told me the exact same thing? ;)
08/07/2008 21:18:40 * Nick Logue blushes at James' comment.
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08/07/2008 21:18:44 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The Gaz would have to be thousands of pages to cover the entire planet in the amount of detail we covered the Inner Sea Region.,
08/07/2008 21:18:45 ‹greengrunt› Nameless.. I would!
08/07/2008 21:18:53 ‹Nick Logue› Nameless: HA!
08/07/2008 21:18:54 ‹Urza› JJ: Sounds good to me then :)
08/07/2008 21:18:54 ‹Rambling Scribe› What are lifestyle costs
08/07/2008 21:18:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› ?
08/07/2008 21:19:06 ‹Nick Logue› You don't want to know. Absurd.
08/07/2008 21:19:11 ‹Absinth› .
08/07/2008 21:19:13 ‹cappadocius› Heck, if Vudra is as diverse as India, that's a 128 page book, minimum to ITSELF.
08/07/2008 21:19:19 ‹Nameless› Is lifestyle costs some sort of upkeep for your character?
08/07/2008 21:19:20 ‹yoda8myhead› Nick, will scenarios be workable into a longer campaign outside of organized play, or will they feel like tournament modules?
08/07/2008 21:19:25 ‹Russ› Rambling - a cost per adventure for your upkeep
08/07/2008 21:19:30 ‹greengrunt› JJ>Well.. I still would be all over that.. May be in a little debt because of it.. But still.. All over that! :D
08/07/2008 21:19:36 ‹Nick Logue› I think you could work em into a campaign yoda!
08/07/2008 21:19:40 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ah!
08/07/2008 21:19:47 ‹Nick Logue› The first 4 are wildly good and pretty adaptable really.
08/07/2008 21:19:51 ‹Russ› Rambling - usually free to live in the gutter (with penalties), an annoying fiddly amount for normal, and a lot for rich or luxuryr
08/07/2008 21:20:02 ‹cappadocius› What are the benefits of wearing out Faction T-Shirts to con scenarios?
08/07/2008 21:20:08 ‹cappadocius› wearing OUR
08/07/2008 21:20:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Right. That's a pain in the ass with little benefit IMO.
08/07/2008 21:20:27 ‹Pygon› you know who you can hit without legal action.
08/07/2008 21:20:28 ‹greengrunt› JJ> How do you get your batteries recharged for the editing process?
08/07/2008 21:20:28 ‹Nick Logue› Alrighty! I gotta rock, roll and run ya'all! Speaking of art for PFS, I have some art orders to write up tonight in fact!
08/07/2008 21:20:30 ‹James Jacobs› Lifestile Costs = a shorthand way to charge a PC for things like food, taxes, rent, and other miscellaneous fees. They can be fun in some homebrew games, but they don't add fun to a living campaign. Just needless paperwork.
08/07/2008 21:20:32 ‹Blazej› You get a +1 armor bonus.
08/07/2008 21:20:37 ‹Absinth› I was laughing as I read about the Golarion globe in the shrine of Desna in PF 10. Was this meant as a nod to the steady demand for a Golarion globe by the fans?
08/07/2008 21:20:46 ‹Wyvern› cappa, you look stylish?
08/07/2008 21:20:48 ‹Blazej› Bye Logue!
08/07/2008 21:20:52 ‹greengrunt› Later Nick- on tomorrow night?
08/07/2008 21:20:56 ‹cappadocius› I WAS PROMISED MECHANICAL BENEFIT!
08/07/2008 21:20:56 ‹Nameless› Have a good one, Mr. Logue!
08/07/2008 21:20:58 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Assuming we stay in business... we'll get to those other parts of the world eventually.
08/07/2008 21:21:04 ‹Nick Logue› Lifestyle Costs = Everything That Isn't Fun About Real Life, Also Not Fun in Game.
08/07/2008 21:21:05 ‹Pygon› thanks Nick!
08/07/2008 21:21:05 ‹Mothman› You off Nick - seeya man - you here for Sinister chat tmrw?
08/07/2008 21:21:08 ‹Nick Logue› G'night everyone!
08/07/2008 21:21:10 ‹Absinth› Night, Nick! Have a sinister evening...:)
08/07/2008 21:21:14 ‹cappadocius› Night, Nick.
08/07/2008 21:21:16 ‹Nick Logue› I shall be Mothman!
08/07/2008 21:21:17 ‹Wyvern› Bye Nick
08/07/2008 21:21:21 ‹Nick Logue› G'night all!
08/07/2008 21:21:24 ‹Skeld› g'night nick
08/07/2008 21:21:25 ‹cappadocius› Thanks for stopping by and being informational!
08/07/2008 21:21:26 ‹Daigle› Have a great night, Nick!
08/07/2008 21:21:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Nick!
08/07/2008 21:21:30 ‹Mothman› Cool, see you then
08/07/2008 21:21:31 ‹Watcher› night nick
08/07/2008 21:21:37 ‹Lilith› Later Nick! :glomp: :thug:
08/07/2008 21:21:43 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> My general method of recharge is watching movies or playing videogames; MMORPGs are a GREAT recharge system. World of Warcraft and Age of Conan are the current favored recharges, as is The Witcher. Plus reading.
08/07/2008 21:22:04 ‹Hill Giant› How's the 52 movies going?
08/07/2008 21:22:09 ‹Daigle› So who's playing in events at GenCon? And when?
08/07/2008 21:22:10 ‹Nameless› How is the Witcher? I've been meaning to take a look at that. I'm not sure it'll run on my machine though.
08/07/2008 21:22:14 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Yes indeed. The Golarion Globe was a nod toward the fans' demand for a globe. :)
08/07/2008 21:22:26 ‹Absinth› Cool...:D
08/07/2008 21:22:29 ‹yoda8myhead› g'night Nick. Thanks for the info!
08/07/2008 21:22:30 ‹Eyebite› *Would soooo buy a globe*
08/07/2008 21:22:32 ‹Fake Healer› Are we getting a globe?
08/07/2008 21:22:38 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Really WOW is detrimental for me... must have a great guild though.. What are you currently reading?
08/07/2008 21:22:42 ‹Daigle› The GLOBE!
08/07/2008 21:22:43 ‹Watcher› Daigle, I am making a special trip in for Ascent for the Drow
08/07/2008 21:22:53 ‹Absinth› Omg, what did I start?
08/07/2008 21:23:05 ‹James Jacobs› Hill Giant> It's behind. I just saw Wanted, The Incredible Hulk, and Get Smart. That brings me up to 20. So I'm about 7 behind or so...
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08/07/2008 21:23:23 ‹Absinth› How's The Hulk, James?
08/07/2008 21:23:32 ‹Russ› thanks Nick
08/07/2008 21:23:33 ‹Russ› oops
08/07/2008 21:23:34 ‹James Jacobs› Nameless> The Witcher is INCREDIBLY FUN. It's also Rated M. It's not for the kids. But yeah... Last night I killed Dagon in The Witcher. Good times.
08/07/2008 21:23:35 ‹Russ› lagged :(
08/07/2008 21:23:44 ‹Absinth› Better than Ang Lee's Hulk?
08/07/2008 21:23:51 ‹Eyebite› If wanted didn't have Angelina Jolie in it, would it be worth seeing?
08/07/2008 21:24:01 ‹Russ› (agree with James on his lifestyle summary)
08/07/2008 21:24:12 ‹Russ› don't add enough to be worht the danged maths!
08/07/2008 21:24:20 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yup; have a great guild in WoW. Also... I'm not really interested in the hard-core end-game raiding. I AM in the hard-core End Game PVP scene though... but I've pretty much maxed out my character there so I'm sorta cooling my jets till the expansion.
08/07/2008 21:24:22 ‹greengrunt› Eyebite has a very good question about 'Wanted' :D
08/07/2008 21:24:24 * cappadocius is playing in all of the PFS events at GenCon - Frozen Fingers at 1 on Thursday, Silken Murder at 8 on Friday, Silent Tide at 1 on Friday, and Hydra's Fang in the morning on Saturday, Daigle.
08/07/2008 21:24:55 ‹greengrunt› JJ> So you're the uber king in WOW arena combat?? :shock:
08/07/2008 21:24:59 ‹Daigle› Gracias
08/07/2008 21:25:04 * BrianC will be gameless at GenCon.
08/07/2008 21:25:07 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The Incredible Hulk was average. Good effects, light on story, not much happens, and in the end a little dull. I MUCH prefered Ang Lee's version.
08/07/2008 21:25:17 ‹James Jacobs› The opening scenes of Brazil were incredible though.
08/07/2008 21:25:24 * cappadocius looks at James Jacobs like he grew a second head.
08/07/2008 21:25:35 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
08/07/2008 21:25:39 ‹cappadocius› BrianC> Why will you be gameless?
08/07/2008 21:25:46 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, preferred ang lee's version? wow, i haven't heard anyone say that
08/07/2008 21:25:55 ‹cappadocius› Seriously.
08/07/2008 21:25:56 ‹Watcher› Eyebite, I thought Wanted was overrated. Besides AJ that is. It was the first time I thought the mainstream critics gave a move TOO MUCH credit
08/07/2008 21:26:00 ‹yoda8myhead› cappa, he'll be too busy trying to get Wes to throw him work
08/07/2008 21:26:01 ‹Nameless› Skeld> Besides Ang Lee, of course.
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08/07/2008 21:26:12 ‹cappadocius› I'd prefer a kick in the nuts to Ang Lee's version.
08/07/2008 21:26:14 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Yes. Of course, Angelina Jolie makes it MUUUUCH better, but the movie itself is still very fun. It's like a crazy violent combination of Fight Club, Equilibrium, and The Matrix. It's essentially a superhero movie too... so go in expecting superheros and not something else...
08/07/2008 21:26:20 ‹Skeld› Nameless, chuckle
08/07/2008 21:26:24 ‹jmberaldo› Didnt watch the movie yet, but Im curious about how my city appears in it ;)
08/07/2008 21:26:35 ‹cappadocius› Technically, Wanted is a superVILLAIN story.
08/07/2008 21:26:39 ‹Eyebite› That's kind of what I thought it might be like.
08/07/2008 21:26:41 ‹Absinth› I liked Ang Lee's version too. The only let down was that there wasn't enough mayhem and destruction in it...
08/07/2008 21:26:49 ‹cappadocius› unless they really, REALLY changed the story.
08/07/2008 21:26:54 ‹greengrunt› I just saw the CG Beowulf this weekend.. Totally AWESOME@
08/07/2008 21:26:55 ‹Wyvern› Hmm.. It's actually a supervillain movie.
08/07/2008 21:27:02 ‹cappadocius› I mean, I know they took out all the rape and racially motivated killings...
08/07/2008 21:27:04 ‹Wyvern› Or at least is supposed to be.
08/07/2008 21:27:08 ‹Russ› I liked Ang Lee's version.
08/07/2008 21:27:10 ‹greengrunt› (speaking of AJ)
08/07/2008 21:27:15 ‹Russ› It played off the best storyline I can remember in the Hulk
08/07/2008 21:27:17 ‹greengrunt› even if she was CG
08/07/2008 21:27:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, what's your opinion on the Second Darkness adventures/set pieces so far? Meeting/Exceeding expectations?
08/07/2008 21:27:20 ‹Pygon› gg - the 3D IMAX spectacle was worth the price fo rme
08/07/2008 21:27:22 ‹Watcher› Eyebite, to refine, and put a different spin on it than JJ.. I thought it actually got predictable. Not the specific stunts, but the plot. itself.
08/07/2008 21:27:22 ‹jmberaldo› (insert hulk actor name here) was all bleh about filming in brazil because people were asking for authographs and such on the streets, so he left earlier :)
08/07/2008 21:27:22 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, I liked Beowulf too
08/07/2008 21:27:26 ‹Nameless› Well gentlemen, it's getting late over here. I bid you all good night! Thanks for the excellent chatting!
08/07/2008 21:27:26 ‹Eyebite› Aw c'mon, who didn't like the Hulk Dogs in Ang Lee's version? *snicker*
08/07/2008 21:27:27 ‹Absinth› I agree, Russ
08/07/2008 21:27:40 ‹James Jacobs› Skeld> Yeah... I quite liked the Ang Lee hulk. It was a MOVIE, not a special effects reel.
08/07/2008 21:27:44 ‹Absinth› Night, Nameless
08/07/2008 21:27:55 ‹Pygon› gnite Nameless
08/07/2008 21:28:06 ‹Ross writing› I liked both.
08/07/2008 21:28:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Nameless!
08/07/2008 21:28:11 ‹Ross writing› Meh. Hul Smash.
08/07/2008 21:28:11 ‹cappadocius› I swear I've asked this multiple times before and one of these times it's going to stick, but do we know which gods are featured in Second Darkness?
08/07/2008 21:28:18 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Hancock, seen it yet?
08/07/2008 21:28:19 ‹greengrunt› Beowulf actually reminded me alot of the Sci-Fi miniseries Dark Kingdom
08/07/2008 21:28:20 ‹Watcher› Night Nameless
08/07/2008 21:28:24 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> True. Supervillain movie is a better way to describe it. It's good!
08/07/2008 21:28:25 ‹Ross writing› As long as hulk smash, hulk live up to promise.
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08/07/2008 21:28:28 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Nameless
08/07/2008 21:28:39 ‹greengrunt› Night Nameless
08/07/2008 21:28:40 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, hmmm, my wife and i went to see hulk for our anniversary...iron man conflicted with our dinner reservations or we would have seen it instead
08/07/2008 21:29:18 ‹James Jacobs› Cappa> The "good" guys in Wanted are very much bad guys. There's a LOT of collateral damage that they just don't care about. It's delightful.
08/07/2008 21:29:38 ‹Pygon› lotsa people died, it was great :P
08/07/2008 21:29:41 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Ahh...mass carnage.
08/07/2008 21:29:58 ‹Eyebite› Ugh, it's 98 degrees here at 9:30
08/07/2008 21:30:01 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Sure, it was predictable... but it was never dull and always entertaining. Predictable doesn't automaticaly mean bad.
08/07/2008 21:30:09 ‹Wyvern› There are no good guys. It's a comic. They are all villains.
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08/07/2008 21:30:21 ‹Wyvern› I mean they are all villains in the comic.
08/07/2008 21:30:26 ‹greengrunt› Speaking of Collateral.. I liked that movie too
08/07/2008 21:30:30 ‹cappadocius› Horrible, horrible villains in the comic.
08/07/2008 21:30:39 ‹cappadocius› Marc Millar at his most loathesome.
08/07/2008 21:30:40 ‹Russ› What do I know of taste, I picked Final Destination 3 last night
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08/07/2008 21:30:48 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> So far, Second Darkness stuff is all over the place. Some exceeds my expectations, some does not, some is disapointing. It'll all kick ass in the end though.
08/07/2008 21:30:56 ‹cappadocius› Lilith: I think our Paizo questions are goin... oops. Color me wrong.
08/07/2008 21:30:59 ‹Mothman› Finally watched Pan's Labyrinth last night - I know, I know ....
08/07/2008 21:31:04 ‹James Jacobs› cappa> Cayden Cailean and Calistria
08/07/2008 21:31:06 ‹Watcher› Wanted is fantasy for young adults who feel like they have no direction or control in their lives, and it plays to a rather juvenile aspect of 'stickin' it to the man'. I mean it's a great move if you're 23 and probably stoned or slightly drunk
08/07/2008 21:31:08 ‹cappadocius› YES.
08/07/2008 21:31:14 ‹Pygon› Moth - and?
08/07/2008 21:31:15 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Haven't seen Hancock yet, nope.
08/07/2008 21:31:20 ‹cappadocius› I knew you'd answered that before. Thanks for being patient with my old memory.
08/07/2008 21:31:24 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
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08/07/2008 21:31:34 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Hulk does indeed live up to promise. Hulk smash very good.
08/07/2008 21:31:39 ‹Mothman› Pygon: Nothin' we were just talking about movies ;-) Heh, nah, I really liked it
08/07/2008 21:31:42 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, is there a consistent disappointment (such as exceeding word count)?
08/07/2008 21:31:54 ‹James Jacobs› Iron Man is MUCH better than Hulk. Better story, better director, and better acting.
08/07/2008 21:31:54 ‹cappadocius› not "getting" Golarion?
08/07/2008 21:32:02 ‹Justin Sluder› Hancock = :headbang:
08/07/2008 21:32:03 ‹Pygon› Moth - I liked it, but the gruesomeness was offputting at first, in retrospect, it fit
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08/07/2008 21:32:27 ‹James Jacobs› Pan's Labyrinth = Best Movie of 2006.
08/07/2008 21:32:35 ‹Pygon› yay!
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08/07/2008 21:32:42 ‹jmberaldo› ok, Im sleep walking and its 1:30am here... better not get late for work on my last week before vacations ;)
08/07/2008 21:32:43 ‹greengrunt› Speaking of word count.. Does Microsoft Word have an option where you can keep track of word count? Anybody know?
08/07/2008 21:32:51 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, Iron Man had The Dude in it, so of course it would be far better!
08/07/2008 21:32:54 ‹Pygon› gnite jmb
08/07/2008 21:32:54 ‹Skeld› we get out so rarely for a movie these dyas that we have to be very picky about what we see
08/07/2008 21:32:55 ‹greengrunt› Later jmber
08/07/2008 21:33:03 * Justin Sluder knows The Dude abides
08/07/2008 21:33:04 ‹cappadocius› Justin: Yes, it's under "Tools" IIRC
08/07/2008 21:33:05 ‹Watcher› My players just noticed Cayden Cailean, he's got them pretty curious
08/07/2008 21:33:07 ‹Justin Sluder› 8-)
08/07/2008 21:33:09 ‹jmberaldo› I hope Ill actually get the time to bug Paizo's crew some night ;)
08/07/2008 21:33:20 ‹greengrunt› Big Liebowski=AWESOME
08/07/2008 21:33:22 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> A range of stuff. Word counts have been pretty spot on so far... but there have been some disapointments in writing and what not.
08/07/2008 21:33:46 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, :headbang::headbang::headbang:
08/07/2008 21:33:59 ‹James Jacobs› But then, that's been the same from the start. Not EVERY adventure or article we get in for Pathfinder is great. Some suck, in fact.
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08/07/2008 21:34:06 ‹Wyvern› greengrunt, it always shows on the status bar. At least 2007 version.
08/07/2008 21:34:19 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, cool beans. :)
08/07/2008 21:34:19 ‹cappadocius› And that's when you bring out the barbed lash.
08/07/2008 21:34:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy Crimson Jester
08/07/2008 21:34:21 ‹Pygon› hi CJ
08/07/2008 21:34:22 ‹Eyebite› Lilith raises a good question - what "disappoints" you the most as an editor James?
08/07/2008 21:34:28 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> It does. The Macintosh version keeps the running total on the edge of the screen. Windows sucks in that regards.
08/07/2008 21:34:38 ‹Skeld› James Jacobs, care to name something specifically that you aren't happy with in the already-pulbished PF's?
08/07/2008 21:34:42 ‹Absinth› Hey CJ, how r u?
08/07/2008 21:34:44 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Daigle, Pygon
08/07/2008 21:34:52 ‹greengrunt› Where on the status bar Wyvern??
08/07/2008 21:34:53 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> What disapoints me most? Hmmm... I guess lazy writing and/or blowing word counts and/or shitty map turnovers.
08/07/2008 21:34:54 ‹Crimson Jester› Great Absinth and yourself?
08/07/2008 21:34:57 ‹jmberaldo› Ah, damn... Ok, so Ill ask before I go
08/07/2008 21:35:06 ‹Absinth› Thanks, great as well...
08/07/2008 21:35:16 ‹Wyvern› Lower left
08/07/2008 21:35:30 ‹Wyvern› Page 1 of 1 | Words: 0
08/07/2008 21:35:35 ‹Wyvern› I just opened the app.
08/07/2008 21:36:01 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, what's the definition of "Shitty map turnovers?"
08/07/2008 21:36:12 ‹Daigle› A few lines on a napkin
08/07/2008 21:36:14 ‹Eyebite› which leads to another great question I've always wondered about - when an author writes something for you, and they give you a map for their idea/story, how professional are those rough maps usually?
08/07/2008 21:36:24 ‹Daigle› ..and a doodle of a goblin in the margin
08/07/2008 21:36:27 ‹greengrunt› crap.. I no gots it!
08/07/2008 21:36:37 ‹Watcher› IS that a cartographer issue or the writer's issue
08/07/2008 21:36:38 ‹Pygon› ooh James, tell Eyebite about Nick's map for HMM :)
08/07/2008 21:36:38 ‹greengrunt› Hi CJ
08/07/2008 21:36:40 ‹jmberaldo› James Jacobs> Ok, Im a game designer and writer in brazil (I got one novel published and another soon to be still this year) and Ive running CotCT to the other game designers from our company. Intros done, how do I get a chance of working for Paizo?
08/07/2008 21:36:41 ‹James Jacobs› A shitty map turnover is a map that shows no imagination. Or worse, a map that just doesn't represent the adventure. Or WORSE... a map that wasn't sent to me and forced me to draw the map in the first place.
08/07/2008 21:36:41 ‹Hill Giant› Daigle, a pornographic doodle...
08/07/2008 21:36:45 ‹Lilith› Daigle, I've drawn quite a few things on napkins. :)
08/07/2008 21:36:51 ‹Daigle› HG, even better
08/07/2008 21:36:55 ‹Fake Healer› Oh well, Beddie for Fakey.
08/07/2008 21:36:56 * cappadocius hms and really should try writing something for Worldwide Adventure Writing Month.
08/07/2008 21:36:56 ‹Crimson Jester› So how much artwork (because I am paying attention to the boards) have caused any contreversy for you and the paizo crew?
08/07/2008 21:36:58 ‹jmberaldo› Nothing like a direct shot ;)
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08/07/2008 21:37:02 ‹Daigle› Lilz, but I doubt you ever turned them in.
08/07/2008 21:37:02 ‹Fake Healer› g'night all.
08/07/2008 21:37:04 ‹greengrunt› Argh JJ.. that's horrible!
08/07/2008 21:37:05 ‹James Jacobs› Another disapointment: Authors who put in combats and don't bother to include maps of the fight. Or authors who forget to write read aloud text.
08/07/2008 21:37:05 ‹Lilith› Night Fakey! :glomp: :thug:
08/07/2008 21:37:07 ‹cappadocius› or WoAdWriMo as the cool kids are calling it.
08/07/2008 21:37:12 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Fakey!!
08/07/2008 21:37:13 ‹Pygon› bye Fake
08/07/2008 21:37:16 ‹Eyebite› Night FH
08/07/2008 21:37:17 ‹greengrunt› drawing a good map isn't easy though
08/07/2008 21:37:22 ‹Lilith› Daigle, True...but I do have a few of them laying around.
08/07/2008 21:37:24 ‹Fake Healer› :gninja:
08/07/2008 21:37:27 ‹greengrunt› night Fake
08/07/2008 21:37:54 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> The map turnovers range from illegible (in which case I have to create them) to near publishable (in the case of authors like Greg Vaughan, Tim Hitchcock, or Tito Leati).
08/07/2008 21:37:55 ‹Crimson Jester› Lilith and Daigle just picked up the latest OJ and had to say it was great and I noticed your names :)
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08/07/2008 21:38:11 ‹Eyebite› I think my maps have been bmp files that I've rendered, I'm always amazed at what a talented cartographer can do - as long as your original map is clear enough (even if it isn't pretty)
08/07/2008 21:38:19 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, which one? :P
08/07/2008 21:38:27 ‹Watcher› Or Maps that don't take into consideration the scenario.. like monsters that couldn't actually move in their lairs
08/07/2008 21:38:27 ‹Crimson Jester› 23
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08/07/2008 21:38:31 ‹Wyvern› Hey tensor
08/07/2008 21:38:43 ‹Daigle› Ha!
08/07/2008 21:38:43 ‹James Jacobs› Nick's maps are notoriously unusable. He's getting better at them though! :)
08/07/2008 21:38:51 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :rofl:
08/07/2008 21:38:51 ‹greengrunt› LOL
08/07/2008 21:39:00 ‹tensor› hi wyvern. Haven't seen you for a while. where have you been?
08/07/2008 21:39:16 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, Ah-hah! That one turned out pretty well. :)
08/07/2008 21:39:20 ‹Pygon› If I remember your quote from a previous chat, you said when Nick turned in the dam map, it was a line and two squares :P
08/07/2008 21:39:24 ‹greengrunt› James .. with your word count requirements.. Do you include spacing with the word count??
08/07/2008 21:39:35 ‹yoda8myhead› James, do you know what program Rob uses for his cartography?
08/07/2008 21:39:47 ‹tensor› a line and two squares !? sweeet.
08/07/2008 21:39:48 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, I'm guessing Photoshop or Illustrator...
08/07/2008 21:39:55 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Keep watching paizo.com for anouncements of open calls, contests, and other events where we start looking for new authors. Writing game material is VERY DIFFERENT than writing novels, though... BUT, in any case, hopefully in a few months we'll have writer's guidelines done and up at paizo.com.
08/07/2008 21:39:56 ‹tensor› that is a pic of my house.
08/07/2008 21:40:13 ‹greengrunt› Good Lord.. I would love to go over to Paizo and see how the guys draw maps with software!
08/07/2008 21:40:18 ‹Crimson Jester› Yeah and it was funny too, the reason I was looking was because I wanted a write up for a Stirge Swarm and other swamp creatures and was too lazy to just write it myself and who do you expect beat me to the punch.
08/07/2008 21:40:30 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, layer effects are your friend. :)
08/07/2008 21:40:35 ‹James Jacobs› It's actually a little surprsiing how many authors think they can coast by on their words alone and not worry about maps. SURPRISE: Map turnovers are an indespensible part of what we pay you as an author for! :)
08/07/2008 21:40:41 ‹Eyebite› writer's guidelines = dreaded slushpile of doom? Who has the task of managing it?
08/07/2008 21:40:42 ‹Daigle› CJ..awesome!
08/07/2008 21:40:49 ‹Crimson Jester› :)
08/07/2008 21:41:03 ‹greengrunt› (Greengrunt would love to go over to Lilith's house and see layer effects)
08/07/2008 21:41:13 ‹Rambling Scribe› I need to get my map drawing programs going again. I had to hand draw and scan the maps for Frozen Fingers.
08/07/2008 21:41:16 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, LOL! :)
08/07/2008 21:41:18 ‹Watcher› James JAcobs, I asked this a few months ago and you couldn't honestly answer this (and in fact you were unaware). I am going to try again. Has the integration between Ascent of the Drow (to be played out at GenCon) and the Second Darkness AP been planned out and vetted through you?
08/07/2008 21:41:21 ‹Pygon› she'll serve cheescake
08/07/2008 21:41:24 ‹Wyvern› tensor, :typerhappy: coding and avoiding the 4e bashers. ;)
08/07/2008 21:41:36 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> What do you mean by artwork that cause controversy? Controversy among our readers? Mostly, the only thing we hear a lot of flak about are illustrations that are "too cartoony" or from the elf-ear elite.
08/07/2008 21:41:36 ‹jmberaldo› JJ> Oh, Im sure its not the same. Ive been a DM for... 10+ years, I guess. And Im responsible for game content for an MMO (from creating characters and plot to dialogue and mission content). I also got a few ebook adventures published... but most still in portuguese
08/07/2008 21:41:43 ‹Lilith› Pygon, nah, the hubby serves the cheesecake. :)
08/07/2008 21:41:55 ‹Absinth› RS, which program do you use for mapping?
08/07/2008 21:42:00 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> True; drawing a good map ISN'T easy. Neither is writing a good adventure.
08/07/2008 21:42:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Who wrote Ascension of the Drow, and will those of us not involved get a thorough recap?
08/07/2008 21:42:11 ‹James Jacobs› That's why not everyone gets published.
08/07/2008 21:42:12 * cappadocius uses ProFantasy's stuff.
08/07/2008 21:42:23 ‹jmberaldo› JJ> But Ill sure keep my eyes on paizo.com... Im slowly getting addicted to the boards and the blog ;)
08/07/2008 21:42:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› I use Dundjinni sometimes, other times I use any old art program, but I have a bunch of templates that are now misplaced.
08/07/2008 21:42:38 ‹greengrunt› Aye James... :sad: but true
08/07/2008 21:43:02 * Lilith can't find her Dundjinni CD! :cry:
08/07/2008 21:43:17 ‹Crimson Jester› James yeah the elf ear elite are kinda funny, but I also meant previously with artwork for the Magazines as well, ever get anything you thought, naw this wont work, of course you were the one who requested the greatest pic of lidda ever so...
08/07/2008 21:43:26 ‹Daigle› I still use pen and paper, then scan it in and 'finish' it in photoshop.
08/07/2008 21:43:26 ‹greengrunt› Paizo MBs are so vast.. so hard to keep up.. That's why I go to chat.. See what JJ has cooking
08/07/2008 21:43:29 ‹Hill Giant› I buy pads of graph paper for 89c when the school term starts. :-)
08/07/2008 21:43:31 ‹Absinth› Ahh, okay. I'm using GIMP. It's a free software similar to Photoshop. It takes some time to learn to use it, but it's really worth the time.
08/07/2008 21:43:33 ‹Timitius› Rambling Scribe, Dundjnni looks pretty nifty. Yet, all I hear from people is that it's too expensive. Huh???
08/07/2008 21:43:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› I downloaded Dundjinni from the site. I'm having trouble with it in Vista, though.
08/07/2008 21:43:36 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> No. when we ask for wordcount, we're basically asking the writer to click the button in his word processer that does a word count. The resulting number is the law.
08/07/2008 21:43:55 ‹greengrunt› Really? Damn!
08/07/2008 21:44:05 ‹Ross writing› MapTool is the best thing ever.
08/07/2008 21:44:07 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Well... you wouldn't see map creation at Paizo. Rob Lazzaretti does all the maps freelance from his studio/home.
08/07/2008 21:44:12 ‹Daigle› Tim! How did I miss your arrival!?
08/07/2008 21:44:16 ‹greengrunt› In Micro Word.. It gives a number with spacing and without spacing
08/07/2008 21:44:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› I love Dundjinni, and there are so many free open fan created map bits that it's really cheap to use.
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08/07/2008 21:44:31 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> No one has the writer's guidelines task yet, alas.
08/07/2008 21:44:39 ‹Timitius› :gninja: I'm sneaky that way :gninja:
08/07/2008 21:44:39 ‹Lilith› Timitius, !!!! :glomp:
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08/07/2008 21:45:01 ‹Pygon› Jason! welcome!
08/07/2008 21:45:01 ‹Daigle› Howdy Jason!
08/07/2008 21:45:01 ‹yoda8myhead› hi JB
08/07/2008 21:45:03 ‹tensor› Wyvern: my 4evil game fell through. So, I have been getting back up to speed on my Lisp programming. I am going to become a Lisp snob, and do all my coding in Lisp from now on. except for numberical stuff, I'll still do that in C, but call it from Lisp. :dance:
08/07/2008 21:45:05 ‹Absinth› Hey Jason!
08/07/2008 21:45:07 ‹BM› Jason!
08/07/2008 21:45:08 ‹Crimson Jester› Hi Jason
08/07/2008 21:45:08 ‹Eyebite› Hey Jason
08/07/2008 21:45:13 ‹Absinth› How r u?
08/07/2008 21:45:17 ‹Watcher› Hey JB
08/07/2008 21:45:18 ‹greengrunt› my sci-fi adventure is already at 60k .. but my spacing is liberal
08/07/2008 21:45:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Hi there everybody
08/07/2008 21:45:24 ‹Lilith› Bull man! :glomp:
08/07/2008 21:45:25 ‹Rambling Scribe› Absinth: i used GIMP for the maps I drew for an adventure for WotC that has not been published yet.
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08/07/2008 21:45:29 ‹greengrunt› Hi Jason
08/07/2008 21:45:31 ‹Mothman› Hey Jason
08/07/2008 21:45:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Jason!
08/07/2008 21:45:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› not too bad Absinth...
08/07/2008 21:45:45 ‹Rathendar› hi jason
08/07/2008 21:45:50 ‹Timitius› Hi Lilith, sent your hubby's resume around. Lots of responses of "he should go to www.volt.com
08/07/2008 21:45:56 ‹James Jacobs› Watcher> Yes. I've vetted some of Ascencion of the Drow... but the thing is that by the time the event happens, we'll be 2/3 of the way through the editing of the Adventure Path anyway. It remains to be seen how much of that info we get from Ascencion will help or not... But the event itself draws VERY HEAVILLY on stuff we're doing in the AP. It's not set concurrently... the events in Ascencionn
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08/07/2008 21:45:59 ‹James Jacobs› take place earlier.
08/07/2008 21:46:04 ‹Lilith› Timitius, sah-weet! :D
08/07/2008 21:46:15 ‹greengrunt› hi Sothal
08/07/2008 21:46:19 ‹Sothal@work› Good Morning
08/07/2008 21:46:23 ‹Pygon› Jason (must ask a PFRPG question!) - is the paladin lay on hand ability meant to apply multiple uses with a single touch?
08/07/2008 21:46:27 ‹Sothal@work› Or Evening
08/07/2008 21:46:31 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Sothal
08/07/2008 21:46:34 ‹Absinth› RS, so, did you like GIMP?
08/07/2008 21:46:35 ‹greengrunt› So Jason.. How was it rooming with Nick at Origins :D
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08/07/2008 21:46:41 ‹Watcher› JJ, thanks for the reply
08/07/2008 21:46:42 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Pygon> Nope... one effect per touch
08/07/2008 21:46:43 ‹jmberaldo› Dear God. If I knew sooner this paizo gathering happened here Id live in this chat room heheh
08/07/2008 21:46:43 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Yeah. Now and then we do have to ask artists to put some clothes on characters. Happens now and then.
08/07/2008 21:46:47 ‹Daigle› Howdy Pete!
08/07/2008 21:46:52 ‹Lilith› Pete! :glomp:
08/07/2008 21:46:52 ‹jmberaldo› damned timezones!
08/07/2008 21:46:52 ‹greengrunt› hi Peter
08/07/2008 21:46:53 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Greengrunt> Surreal and entertaining
08/07/2008 21:46:55 ‹Timitius› Lilith, he can upload his resume on their site http://www.jobs.volt.com/
08/07/2008 21:47:05 ‹Absinth› Hey Sothal! Already @ work?
08/07/2008 21:47:08 ‹Lilith› Timitius, thanks, I'll let him know! :)
08/07/2008 21:47:13 ‹Pygon› Jason - I know one effect, what I mean is, can multiple heal uses be stacked for a larger chunk of hp to be healed?
08/07/2008 21:47:18 ‹James Jacobs› JASON! (I've fallen way behind.) HI THERE!
08/07/2008 21:47:21 ‹Sothal@work› yep
08/07/2008 21:47:22 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Just thought I would pop in for a bit and say howdy
08/07/2008 21:47:31 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Heya James.. hows it flowin?
08/07/2008 21:47:32 ‹Sothal@work› Absinth every day normally
08/07/2008 21:47:34 ‹Watcher› Night folks, too damn late here
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08/07/2008 21:47:51 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Watcher!
08/07/2008 21:47:52 ‹Mothman› Has James had a flow problem?
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08/07/2008 21:47:58 ‹Mothman› Seeya Watcher
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08/07/2008 21:48:02 ‹James Jacobs› James eats pizza now. It flows very well.
08/07/2008 21:48:03 ‹Eyebite› Night watcher
08/07/2008 21:48:04 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Moth> I hope not...
08/07/2008 21:48:07 ‹greengrunt› JB>Give us the juicy bits! Surreal as in Mike Myers "Touch my monkey!" surreal? :D
08/07/2008 21:48:07 ‹Pygon› eek
08/07/2008 21:48:14 ‹Daigle› *blinks*
08/07/2008 21:48:18 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Geez... I guess jmberaldo quit
08/07/2008 21:48:26 ‹Absinth› Jason, did you recover from the Alpha/Beta madness?
08/07/2008 21:48:29 ‹tensor› 35 It starts to rain actual cats and dogs.
08/07/2008 21:48:30 ‹Timitius› Lilith, Pete there, and our DM Geoff (Microsoft IT, btw) both say that volt.com is a good option.
08/07/2008 21:48:32 ‹Daigle› And quit good!
08/07/2008 21:48:37 ‹Pete› Lilith: I'm going to edit a bit and circulate his resume some as well.
08/07/2008 21:48:38 ‹Rathendar› i think everyone and their family 5 places removed saw that jmber quit ;)
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08/07/2008 21:48:40 ‹Daigle› No pussyfooting around with it!
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08/07/2008 21:48:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Green> not quite.. but it felt a lot like summer camp...
08/07/2008 21:49:03 ‹greengrunt› Hail Saracenus...:rofl:@ JB
08/07/2008 21:49:03 ‹Daigle› Watcher tried to copy him, but couldn't quit quite as good.
08/07/2008 21:49:05 ‹Pete› Flow issues come with age.
08/07/2008 21:49:06 ‹James Jacobs› Why? Was there... a rash?
08/07/2008 21:49:11 ‹Daigle› Howdy Saracenus
08/07/2008 21:49:22 ‹Saracenus› Hail...
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08/07/2008 21:49:33 ‹Absinth› Hey Saracenus.
08/07/2008 21:49:38 ‹Blazej› Brainstorm, Preview the Beta on the forums at a rate of one word per hour.
08/07/2008 21:49:40 ‹Saracenus› Whole lag batman
08/07/2008 21:49:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Nah.. just getting back to the room and making stupid jokes when we should probably be sleeping
08/07/2008 21:49:52 ‹Saracenus› holy
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08/07/2008 21:50:03 ‹greengrunt› JB.. Nick said you were very funny :D
08/07/2008 21:50:04 ‹James Jacobs› Ah! Right!
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08/07/2008 21:50:29 ‹Sothal@work› JJ, last time we had some discussions on Superheroes and their alignment, resulting in the question, which alignment Monte Cook would say Batman should have.
08/07/2008 21:50:29 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Blazej> At that rate, it would take nearly 40 years to show the whole book
08/07/2008 21:50:37 ‹James Jacobs› Jason is one of the funniest people there is, in fact. ESPECIALLY given the magic combination of alcohol and bad artwork.
08/07/2008 21:50:39 ‹Lilith› Pete, Timitius: Thanks guys! :D
08/07/2008 21:50:40 ‹Crimson Jester› James or Jason is Qadira set as sort of an Arabian Knights type setting, or for the possibility of such?
08/07/2008 21:50:40 ‹greengrunt› Making jokes about the rather unorthodox players at Origins? :razz:
08/07/2008 21:50:41 ‹tensor› 18 An ashen-faced witchdoctor throws powder at the party and vanishes.
08/07/2008 21:50:57 ‹James Jacobs› Sothal> Wars have been fought and won and lost over what alignment Batman is.
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08/07/2008 21:51:06 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> yes
08/07/2008 21:51:09 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> That is my secret... we should sell tickets this year.. the tickets cost one beer each... :-)
08/07/2008 21:51:16 ‹Sothal@work› Could you ask him JJ?
08/07/2008 21:51:25 ‹greengrunt› Batman is Lawful Chaotic Nuetral Evil Good
08/07/2008 21:51:30 ‹Blazej› Jason Bulmahn, yes. You don't want to take it too fast.
08/07/2008 21:51:31 ‹Pygon› 45 a gnome with a mouth-spider tattoo eats the legs off the table
08/07/2008 21:51:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Crimson> It can be.. but it can be other things as well
08/07/2008 21:51:43 ‹BM› Modifcation to Blazej's Idea, preview the Beta at 1 page per day
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08/07/2008 21:51:46 ‹Sothal@work› We wanted to know his oppinion (and yours possibly too)
08/07/2008 21:51:52 ‹Blazej› Batman is Awesome Neutral.
08/07/2008 21:51:52 ‹Timitius› Lilith, purely selfish reasons....I need you local for Paizocon. :lol: And I need the Cap'n for Fluxx games.
08/07/2008 21:51:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Jason Such as?
08/07/2008 21:52:03 ‹Lilith› Timitius, LOL! :D
08/07/2008 21:52:02 ‹Daigle› Pygon!!
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08/07/2008 21:52:06 ‹Skeld› getting late here ... g'night all
08/07/2008 21:52:07 ‹Daigle› :lol:
08/07/2008 21:52:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> That would take over 1 year.
08/07/2008 21:52:09 ‹Absinth› I just finished reading a great article on Babylon in National Geographic and I'm toying with the idea to create a city state like that. If I'd place it in Golarion, which would be the best place/country to do so?
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08/07/2008 21:52:14 ‹greengrunt› I just fought off some Czech gypsies arguing over Batman's alignment
08/07/2008 21:52:16 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Skeld
08/07/2008 21:52:25 ‹Daigle› wb Eyebite
08/07/2008 21:52:35 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Skeld
08/07/2008 21:52:35 ‹Blazej› Night Skeld/
08/07/2008 21:52:39 ‹greengrunt› night Skeld
08/07/2008 21:53:00 ‹James Jacobs› I would say that Batman's alignment depends on what Batman you're talking about. But if you mix them all together... I'd say Chaotic Neutral.
08/07/2008 21:53:03 ‹Eyebite› thanks
08/07/2008 21:53:10 ‹Crimson Jester› Batman Neutral Good
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08/07/2008 21:53:25 ‹James Jacobs› MAYBE Chaotic Good.
08/07/2008 21:53:25 ‹BM› Well, then come up with some way of spoilering the Beta. I'm dying out here.
08/07/2008 21:53:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Wow... a batman alignment discussion... this takes me back about 15 years...
08/07/2008 21:53:28 ‹Timitius› Neutral Badass. It's on his batwallet
08/07/2008 21:53:36 ‹greengrunt› Yeah..but he never decks Commissioner Gordon.. A CN would do that!!
08/07/2008 21:53:38 ‹Rathendar› lol jason
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08/07/2008 21:53:58 ‹Eyebite› Grunt> nope, but he shags his daughter . . .
08/07/2008 21:54:05 ‹James Jacobs› But he did beat the hell out of Superman, who's pretty much obviously LG.
08/07/2008 21:54:12 ‹Blazej› I think Eyebite wins.
08/07/2008 21:54:20 ‹yoda8myhead› I think Superman's NG
08/07/2008 21:54:24 ‹greengrunt› Shagging has nothing to do with alignment
08/07/2008 21:54:28 ‹Blazej› Who doesn't want to beat up Superman?
08/07/2008 21:54:30 ‹Absinth› I'd give Batman a lawful neutral alignment
08/07/2008 21:54:32 ‹James Jacobs› Superman is Lawful Booooring.
08/07/2008 21:54:33 ‹greengrunt› unless its sheep :shock:
08/07/2008 21:54:55 ‹yoda8myhead› grunt, you know all about that in East Redneck
08/07/2008 21:54:55 ‹Mothman› Seen on a t-shirt "I shag like I'm Chaotic Neutral"
08/07/2008 21:55:00 ‹Mothman› (not really)
08/07/2008 21:55:03 ‹Sothal@work› Supes is so obviously LG, and yoda8myhead, you are the first I hear to not think that way
08/07/2008 21:55:03 ‹Pygon› I'd guess LN as well. Although he would move quickly to defend innocents I think, so good tendencies?
08/07/2008 21:55:08 ‹Timitius› Except when he's on the red kryptonite...then he's all alignments.
08/07/2008 21:55:19 ‹greengrunt› JJ> They should come up with a Lawful Boring alignment :D
21:55:38 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Before I get dragged into this, batman's alignment varies pretty widely depending on the series... from CN to LG....
08/07/2008 21:55:39 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, isn't that True Neutral...?
08/07/2008 21:55:54 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 21:55:56 ‹greengrunt› Aye Yoda.. I do.. Alot of Nuetral Evil types in East Redneck :D
08/07/2008 21:56:16 ‹Daigle› Okay, who steered the bus into the alignment lane?
08/07/2008 21:56:20 ‹Daigle› :lol:
08/07/2008 21:56:24 ‹Ross writing› http://kundor.org/pub/batman-a...ent.jpg
08/07/2008 21:56:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› I agree with Pygon.. mostly LN(g)
08/07/2008 21:56:27 ‹Sothal@work› I was... sorry
08/07/2008 21:56:27 ‹Lilith› LOL! :)
08/07/2008 21:56:30 ‹greengrunt› Lilith. true neutral=lawful boring? :?:
08/07/2008 21:56:42 ‹Daigle› Holy shit! Good find Ross
08/07/2008 21:56:42 ‹Blazej› If it is the Batman from the tv series then it is Campy Good.
08/07/2008 21:56:45 ‹Crimson Jester› http://www.llbbl.com/data/RPG-...60.html
08/07/2008 21:57:38 ‹Absinth› .
08/07/2008 21:57:41 * The Last Rogue quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 21:57:43 ‹greengrunt› Campy Good and Lawful Boring.. TWO NEW ALIGNMENTS! :-&
08/07/2008 21:58:12 ‹Eyebite› Alright, I have some work to get to. G'night all! Same bat time, same bat channel next week
08/07/2008 21:58:14 ‹Mothman› They can join Chaotic Snarky
08/07/2008 21:58:22 ‹yoda8myhead› night bite!
08/07/2008 21:58:23 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
08/07/2008 21:58:23 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Eyebite!
08/07/2008 21:58:29 ‹greengrunt› Night Eye
08/07/2008 21:58:30 ‹Timitius› Campy Good = Sorry old chum.
08/07/2008 21:58:32 ‹Mothman› seeya Eyebite
08/07/2008 21:58:33 * Russ has homemade almond raspberry tart
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08/07/2008 21:58:40 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night Eye
08/07/2008 21:58:47 ‹Absinth› I expect to see a demiplane of boredom for the planes book next year. You could come to my office for inspiration...
08/07/2008 21:58:52 ‹Russ› It's my favorite minotaur!
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08/07/2008 21:59:00 ‹Timitius› Night eye...sounds like something that needs eyedrops.
08/07/2008 21:59:13 ‹greengrunt› Oh boy.. Don't get me started on 4E :-&
08/07/2008 21:59:16 ‹yoda8myhead› yes, is the planes book official? I mean off the record official?
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08/07/2008 21:59:26 ‹Blazej› I need to see the planes of Campy Good and Lawful Boring!
08/07/2008 21:59:35 ‹James Jacobs› Nothing is official yet.
08/07/2008 21:59:37 ‹greengrunt› :D
08/07/2008 21:59:37 ‹Ross writing› I'm still surprised I never got more feedback on my Alignment re-write last week
08/07/2008 21:59:39 ‹Russ› Batman - L N/G
08/07/2008 21:59:43 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 21:59:56 ‹Absinth› Last week, James said that there's a big chance for a planes book sometimes next year...
08/07/2008 21:59:59 ‹Russ› Sorry, that is a C N/G
08/07/2008 22:00:00 ‹yoda8myhead› when do we get our Tuesday teasers?
08/07/2008 22:00:14 ‹Mothman› Jason, I'm making my first PFRPG Alpha character (a wizard) and just hoped to clarify something - you no longer get bonus spells for being a specialist wizard right? - That's completely replaced by School Powers?
08/07/2008 22:00:14 ‹Blazej› I love the CE Batman picture.
08/07/2008 22:00:18 ‹Pygon› in a couple weeks, it looks like. a Planes book is all we got tonite
08/07/2008 22:00:20 ‹greengrunt› I believe Ross's link on Batman takes the cake.. or was it Russ's? #-o
08/07/2008 22:00:20 ‹Crimson Jester› actually a plane of "boredom" could be interesting................... pure white and nothing in it.................perfect place to hide something, store something, or imprison something
08/07/2008 22:00:25 ‹Ross writing› Batman transcends alignment, because he attempts to take moral responsibility for the world as a whole.
08/07/2008 22:00:27 ‹Pygon› er a possible planes adventure, rather...
08/07/2008 22:00:37 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> Correct... although this has been changed a bit for the Beta
08/07/2008 22:00:43 ‹Absinth› CJ, that's what my office looks like...:)
08/07/2008 22:00:51 ‹Russ› Ross.
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08/07/2008 22:01:05 ‹BM› Jason, please to tell....
08/07/2008 22:01:06 ‹Blazej› I assume the Lawful Boring plane would involve a large amount of paperwork.
08/07/2008 22:01:24 ‹Pygon› Think Brazil. (the movie)
08/07/2008 22:01:26 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> Lets say that some choice has been brought back into the equation
08/07/2008 22:01:28 ‹Crimson Jester› I have the Dungeon magazine Poster of the Incursion on the wall next to my desk. :)
08/07/2008 22:01:30 ‹greengrunt› JJ> I highly recommend you try reading Steven Erikson's Tales of the Malzan Book of the Fallen series
08/07/2008 22:01:33 ‹Timitius› Wasn't RotRL #2 being reprinted? Because I just saw one in Uncle's Games tonight.
08/07/2008 22:01:34 ‹James Jacobs› Batman transcends alignment because every few issues he has a different writer with a different agenda.
08/07/2008 22:01:36 ‹Russ› That cartoon is BRILLIANT
08/07/2008 22:01:42 ‹greengrunt› er.. Malazan
08/07/2008 22:01:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: I love those books!
08/07/2008 22:01:55 ‹greengrunt› I hate superhero comics
08/07/2008 22:02:09 ‹Crimson Jester› and all those little post cards of the planet stories covers all on my wall as well
08/07/2008 22:02:15 ‹greengrunt› RS> I just got Toll the Hounds!
08/07/2008 22:02:21 ‹greengrunt› It's great so far
08/07/2008 22:02:25 * ollibolli joins Main
08/07/2008 22:02:28 * Russ is slobbering over getting the beta
08/07/2008 22:02:31 ‹BM› In other words, the idea that the SLAs you get at certein levels is now chosen from a list was taken?
08/07/2008 22:02:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nice! I'm still one behind.
08/07/2008 22:02:39 ‹Daigle› Howdy ollibolli!
08/07/2008 22:02:44 ‹James Jacobs› OH! Someone asked a bazillion years ago what I'm reading now? If said person is still here: "Jack: Secret Histories," to be followed by "Summer of Night."
08/07/2008 22:02:48 ‹Russ› I *was* completely caught up on Planet Stories
08/07/2008 22:02:58 ‹greengrunt› RS>Rallick Nom is back!
08/07/2008 22:03:24 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> Or something like it... and they might not be SLA's anymore
08/07/2008 22:03:27 ‹Absinth› Hey Olli...
08/07/2008 22:03:28 ‹greengrunt› Aye JJ that was me
08/07/2008 22:03:34 ‹greengrunt› Hi Olli
08/07/2008 22:03:40 ‹Russ› James - good young adult books rule
08/07/2008 22:03:48 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
08/07/2008 22:03:50 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Are those fiction??
08/07/2008 22:03:55 ‹James Jacobs› AKA: Anything F. Paul Wilson writes I will read.
08/07/2008 22:03:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: Remind me who Rallick Nom is... I'm bad with names.
08/07/2008 22:03:56 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah.
08/07/2008 22:03:59 ‹James Jacobs› Both fiction.
08/07/2008 22:03:59 ‹ollibolli› goos morning
08/07/2008 22:04:03 ‹Hill Giant› bye, all
08/07/2008 22:04:08 ‹James Jacobs› F. Paul Wilson (Jack) and Dan Simmons (Summer)
08/07/2008 22:04:09 ‹Mothman› Thanks Jason - as long as that's how it is in Alpha ... just wasnt sure if I missed it
08/07/2008 22:04:09 ‹Lilith› Night HG!
08/07/2008 22:04:10 * Timitius quit (timeout)
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08/07/2008 22:04:12 ‹Pygon› hi olly, bye HG
08/07/2008 22:04:16 ‹Rambling Scribe› Which is bad for reading Steven Erikson
08/07/2008 22:04:23 ‹Russ› Jason - I'[ll be quite happy if they get detached from Charisma
08/07/2008 22:04:24 ‹Daigle› Goodnight HG
22:04:33 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> It is
08/07/2008 22:04:33 ‹James Jacobs› The vast majority of my reading is fiction, actually.
08/07/2008 22:04:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Hill Giant!
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08/07/2008 22:04:45 ‹BM› cool, so that stops the whole complaint against wish showing up on the generalists School power list...
08/07/2008 22:05:00 ‹greengrunt› RS>Rallick Nom was the kick ass assassin in Darujhistan who killed that arrogant nobleman in that duel.. Anomander Rake was his second? Remember him?
08/07/2008 22:05:05 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 22:05:16 ‹Rambling Scribe› Ah, that guy! Awesome!
08/07/2008 22:05:18 ‹James Jacobs› Is it SO BAD that a wizard might have to actually make a tough choice regarding his mental stats? Clerics and druids and bards do...
08/07/2008 22:05:23 ‹ollibolli› Any news on the German translation front?
08/07/2008 22:05:27 ‹BM› Any other things you're willing to tell me? I'm running a playtest tomarrow.
08/07/2008 22:05:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› I loved the assassination;duel.
08/07/2008 22:05:31 ‹Absinth› ....
08/07/2008 22:05:35 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> You migth be happy
08/07/2008 22:05:42 ‹James Jacobs› No news I know about the German front.
08/07/2008 22:05:48 ‹Rambling Scribe› that semi colon was supposed to be a hyphen.
08/07/2008 22:05:53 ‹ollibolli› sigh
08/07/2008 22:05:58 ‹Absinth› Silence on the western front
08/07/2008 22:05:58 ‹Mothman› Sorry James, what tough choice does a wizard need to make over his stats?
08/07/2008 22:06:01 ‹James Jacobs› TOO LATE! I NOTICED! Your punctuation sin has been logged.
08/07/2008 22:06:04 ‹Crimson Jester› A Wizard should have wisdom as a dump stat.......thats why they dont pay attention much and are absent minded
08/07/2008 22:06:07 ‹greengrunt› RS> Aye.. How about the Teblor Toblakai? (Can't think of his name offhand)
08/07/2008 22:06:19 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> I tried to hold out on that front for as long as possible.. but in the end, I just could not justify keeping them SLAs
08/07/2008 22:06:23 ‹Sothal@work› No war on the bavarian front
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08/07/2008 22:06:26 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Wizards don't currently. INT is the go to stat for mental stuff.
08/07/2008 22:06:38 ‹greengrunt› Which again is bad for Steven Erikson :D
08/07/2008 22:06:39 ‹Rambling Scribe› I love that guy. Mostly they call him Toblakai.
08/07/2008 22:06:44 ‹James Jacobs› Clerics and Druids have to balance Wis and Cha (clerics more than druids); bards Int and Cha.
08/07/2008 22:07:10 ‹James Jacobs› As in... a low Cha cleric or a low Int bard is a lot more rough than a low Wis or Cha wizard.
08/07/2008 22:07:16 ‹James Jacobs› Plus. Wizards suck! I SAID IT!!!@!
08/07/2008 22:07:20 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> I agree.. but sorcerer's still got off easy
08/07/2008 22:07:28 ‹greengrunt› Nice JJ... Nice
08/07/2008 22:07:32 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> damn.. I was with you there for a bit...
08/07/2008 22:07:34 ‹Crimson Jester› what?
08/07/2008 22:07:37 ‹Pygon› nooooooo... well doesn't that depend on how much access you have to magic marts? :)
08/07/2008 22:07:45 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> but now I gotta call you a doo doo head
08/07/2008 22:07:49 ‹Jason Bulmahn› :-P
08/07/2008 22:07:54 ‹BM› Meh. School powers > Then most of the bloodlines.
08/07/2008 22:07:55 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> You know me! I can't not turn into a thug, given the chance.
08/07/2008 22:08:02 ‹Mothman› I like wizards ... what are these new-fangled 'sorcerers' of which I hear? ;-)
08/07/2008 22:08:04 ‹Ross writing› Also, Clerics and Druids still like skill points.
08/07/2008 22:08:09 ‹Ross writing› WIzards have a one-stop shop.
08/07/2008 22:08:10 ‹James Jacobs› They do.
08/07/2008 22:08:16 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, not for me. I like Wizards want to be something other than smart. I was just concerned that attaching Charimsa to DCs would make those spell like abilities, almost never used in most cases.
08/07/2008 22:08:22 ‹Justin Sluder› well, I'm out too all
08/07/2008 22:08:24 ‹Absinth› How's everyone's experience with the PF bard? All the other classes are feeling slightly more powerful than their 3.5 counterparts. I didn't notice this with the bard.
08/07/2008 22:08:25 * Rambling Scribe is eating pizza.
08/07/2008 22:08:25 ‹Russ› Wizards still need two stats - a low Dex wizard tends to be rough
08/07/2008 22:08:29 ‹Justin Sluder› have fun
08/07/2008 22:08:37 ‹Pygon› <- Dex 6.
08/07/2008 22:08:42 * Justin Sluder changes his/her nickname to Justin the :sleep:er
08/07/2008 22:08:50 ‹Mothman› See you Justin
08/07/2008 22:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› The trick is assigning spell-like abilities that don't have saving throws attached if you can help it, of coruse... in which case who cares what your Charisma is?
08/07/2008 22:08:54 ‹Absinth› Night, Justin
08/07/2008 22:08:54 ‹Russ› I loved the bard!
08/07/2008 22:08:55 ‹greengrunt› RS> I found it! Karsa Orlong!
08/07/2008 22:08:57 ‹Pygon› scorching rays miss.
08/07/2008 22:09:04 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I'm just talking mental stats, thoguh.
08/07/2008 22:09:05 ‹greengrunt› RS>... er.. I think
08/07/2008 22:09:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yep, that's it!
08/07/2008 22:09:18 ‹Daigle› Night Justin
08/07/2008 22:09:24 ‹James Jacobs› Scorching rays don't miss if Jason's the one shooting them.
08/07/2008 22:09:26 ‹Russ› Druids don't really need Cha or Int either, tho
08/07/2008 22:09:32 ‹greengrunt› Night Justin
08/07/2008 22:09:33 ‹Blazej› James Jacobs, yeah. Just some evocation spell-like abilities were quick lower on power.
08/07/2008 22:09:35 ‹Saracenus› Russ> Low Con Wizards are hard <G>
08/07/2008 22:09:47 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Get a better touch AC
08/07/2008 22:09:48 ‹James Jacobs› Druids can use Charisma for wild empathy. Depending on the campaign, that can be a kick ass power.
08/07/2008 22:10:01 ‹greengrunt› I think every player should have at least a 10 int.. unless you're a crazy barbarian
08/07/2008 22:10:07 ‹James Jacobs› Jason> Or stop fighting artificers! :)
08/07/2008 22:10:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› James> Done and done!
08/07/2008 22:10:19 ‹Russ› Yeah , but by the same token, give your Wiz Wis so they make Will saves
08/07/2008 22:10:27 ‹Russ› My Age of Worms group has like 3 or 4 int 9s
08/07/2008 22:10:33 ‹Sothal@work› greengrunt, I just started a INT 8 Incarnate
08/07/2008 22:10:50 ‹Blazej› greengrunt, you hate half-orcs! WAHHHH!
08/07/2008 22:10:51 ‹greengrunt› OUCH! Sothal.. that;s rough
08/07/2008 22:11:04 ‹BM› 1 skill point for the lose...
08/07/2008 22:11:09 ‹greengrunt› Half ogres!! Soooo nice!
08/07/2008 22:11:11 ‹Sothal@work› yup
08/07/2008 22:11:35 ‹Absinth› Yeah, Sothal, I'd even say it's masochistic...:)
08/07/2008 22:11:53 ‹Sothal@work› other's would say it's challenging
08/07/2008 22:11:54 ‹Mothman› Jason, first level hit points in the alpha, there's still a couple of options (racial hit points etc) - has that been narrowed down to one definate option in the Beta? (Not asking what that one choice is, just wondering if you guys have decided on a way to go)
08/07/2008 22:12:00 ‹BM› As a rule, all 2+int classes need 14+ int or completely suck at skills.
08/07/2008 22:12:08 ‹Russ› I'm curious how the beta stat bonuses for gnomes and halflings wound up
08/07/2008 22:12:17 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Mothman> Not yet.. we are keeping that open into the Beta...
08/07/2008 22:12:26 ‹Russ› BM - I tend to go for 12 Int humans for that reason
08/07/2008 22:12:31 ‹Mothman› Jason: Cool
08/07/2008 22:12:36 ‹Ross writing› Jason Bulmahn, what do you think of the Craft Undead feat idea?
08/07/2008 22:12:43 ‹Absinth› Sothal, that's the spirit. Drop by my place when you're in Hamburg. I have a huge collection of whips for "challenging"...:D
08/07/2008 22:12:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: I have a theory about Erikson's world. The 'humans' are actually halflings, The Teblor are the humans, the T'Lan Imass are dwarves as well as neandertals, the Jaghut are orcs, and the Jhag are half-orcs.
08/07/2008 22:12:59 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Russ> Hmm.. I am kinda spacing on that one.. I think I wanted to make a swap.. but I am not sure if I did...
08/07/2008 22:13:12 ‹greengrunt› Speaking of barbarians.. JJ I like the touch with Ury Sevenskulls who gets impatient and jumps from the battlements in Pathfinder #11
08/07/2008 22:13:25 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Ross> Interesting... real interesting... something to discuss in the Beta process
08/07/2008 22:13:29 ‹Sothal@work› Absinth: Hamburg is a little out of reach. But I try to attend the Spiel in Essen
08/07/2008 22:13:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› brb 3 min
08/07/2008 22:14:19 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Heh, yeah. It's amazing what kind of cool character quirks you can really drive home by having an NPC take an action that isn't 100% the best move.
08/07/2008 22:14:40 ‹James Jacobs› I do that a lot in games I run. Have NPCs make risky (or even flat-out bad) decisions.
08/07/2008 22:14:56 ‹James Jacobs› Then let the dice decide if they die.
08/07/2008 22:14:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Character Traits have me very interested....is there going to be any preview in the blog?
08/07/2008 22:15:06 ‹James Jacobs› I reckon so.
08/07/2008 22:15:13 ‹greengrunt› RS> Hmmm.. interesting.. But the Teblor are so badass.. Wait until you read about Karsa duelling the emporer of the Tiste Edur in Reaper's Gale
08/07/2008 22:15:15 ‹James Jacobs› I might try to whip one up for next Monday.
08/07/2008 22:15:25 ‹Ross writing› Jason Bulmahn, I'm writing it up for KQ right now (that's the 'writing' part :-)) That might net more feedback, if Baur takes it.
08/07/2008 22:15:55 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Aye.. there's some great stuff in 11
08/07/2008 22:16:02 * Zaister_ joins Main
08/07/2008 22:16:12 ‹greengrunt› hi Zaister
08/07/2008 22:16:16 ‹Crimson Jester› Yeah sigh no pathfinder 11 yet
08/07/2008 22:16:23 ‹Zaister_› good morning :)
08/07/2008 22:16:24 ‹Rathendar› meh, there better be a package of paizo goodness when i wake up tomorrow in my mailbox. /grumble.
08/07/2008 22:16:26 ‹Pygon› same
08/07/2008 22:16:27 ‹Daigle› Howdy Zaister.
08/07/2008 22:16:28 ‹Sothal@work› Hey Zaister
08/07/2008 22:16:30 ‹Russ› Is "Gug" and "Rovagug" a coincidence?
08/07/2008 22:16:32 ‹greengrunt› CJ .. I hope you like it.. I sure did
08/07/2008 22:16:47 ‹Blazej› From what I read in the Gazetteer Pharasma is against the creation of undead (unless I missed something). Why does she have Death domain, since most of the difference between Death and Repose are the undead creation?
08/07/2008 22:16:48 ‹Crimson Jester› when ever they send my payment through, Ive emailed twice
08/07/2008 22:16:56 ‹Sothal@work› Hey, I just got PF 10 yesterday
08/07/2008 22:17:18 * Wiglaf joins Main
08/07/2008 22:17:26 ‹greengrunt› Sothal.. 11 is a bucket of refreshing Paizo goodness
08/07/2008 22:17:27 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wiglaf
08/07/2008 22:17:32 ‹greengrunt› Hey Wiglaf
08/07/2008 22:17:34 ‹Absinth› I got my PF 10 on saturday. It's a really great book.
08/07/2008 22:17:35 ‹Crimson Jester› well right now Im waiting for Pathfinder 13
08/07/2008 22:17:42 ‹Crimson Jester› :)
08/07/2008 22:18:02 ‹Wiglaf› Hello
08/07/2008 22:18:03 ‹ollibolli› I am psoitively amazed by the Guide to the Darkmoon Vale. Mike's work is great
08/07/2008 22:18:07 ‹greengrunt› Dammit! You got the last of COTCT! I am so jealous!
08/07/2008 22:18:09 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Not really. Rovagug is a god from my 25+ year old homebrew. I suspect I named him in a particularly potent HPL fugue. And certainly Greg adding gugs into the adventure and tying them to Rovagug wasn't a coincidence; that was a very conscious decision on his part, and one that, when he told me about it, I said "DO IT! FOR THE LOVE OF DESNA, DO IT!!!!"
08/07/2008 22:18:22 ‹greengrunt› I loved Mike's work in Guide to Korvosa!
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08/07/2008 22:18:35 ‹greengrunt› I love that book
08/07/2008 22:18:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: I'm looking forward to that confrontation. And yeah, the teblor are not really human, but all of the size comparisons work between the races. Tiste are of course elves, with Tiste (I forget) being drow.
08/07/2008 22:19:19 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Pharasma is VERY anti undead. But she's also the goddess of death. Not giving her the death domain would have been weird. Frankly... I don't htink the Death domain SHOULD have undead stuff in there. It makes the domain generally a bad one for PCs, after all. There should be separate Death and Undeath domains.
08/07/2008 22:19:29 ‹greengrunt› RS> Karsa does something pretty amazing in Reaper's ... In one of his duels... I don't want to spoil it
08/07/2008 22:19:41 ‹Pygon› so she wants things to STAY dead
08/07/2008 22:19:44 ‹Jason Bulmahn› back
08/07/2008 22:19:47 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, can you say if feats for monsters are still one per three HD in the beta (as opposed to 1 per 2 levels for characters)
08/07/2008 22:19:54 ‹James Jacobs› She wants life and death to stay separate.
08/07/2008 22:20:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> They are for the time being.. that might change
08/07/2008 22:20:19 ‹Saracenus› Welp night all
08/07/2008 22:20:21 ‹Zaister_› Thanks
08/07/2008 22:20:27 ‹Pygon› gnite Saracenus
08/07/2008 22:20:28 ‹Absinth› At first I didn't found it to be a good idea to include the Shoanti in CotCT. They felt kinda misplaced in the issue with the 1st appearance of Thousand Bones. But this feeling changed quickly after PF 10. I really like it now! I'm glad I didn't make the mistake to leave the Shoanti out of the AP...
08/07/2008 22:20:28 ‹Daigle› Night Saracenus
08/07/2008 22:20:30 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect she DOES have some hereitcs or splinter faiths who do use undead, though, and probaly solely undead created from living creatures who requested the status, and even then probably only for a limited time.
08/07/2008 22:20:31 ‹greengrunt› RS> Anyway.. What he does .. Well it certainly isn't human
08/07/2008 22:20:35 ‹Crimson Jester› How long out would Tian Xia be? '09 '10?
08/07/2008 22:20:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: That was how I used to always play Wee Jas. I don't think the death domain should neccessarilly be tied to undeath.
08/07/2008 22:21:17 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, monsters with added class levels have two separate feat progressions then that add up probably?
08/07/2008 22:21:20 ‹greengrunt› Night Saracenus
08/07/2008 22:21:24 ‹James Jacobs› A big Tian Xia book is, at the minimum, a year away. It's VERY LIKELY to be closer to 2 years away. Or more.
08/07/2008 22:21:28 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Zaister> yes
08/07/2008 22:21:41 ‹James Jacobs› Scribe> Pharasma and Wee Jas actually ahve pretty much the same viewpoints there, yeah.
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08/07/2008 22:21:58 ‹Zaister_› Ah fine. Needed to know that for the PCGen implementation
08/07/2008 22:22:01 ‹Crimson Jester› I played a couple of Paladins of We jas, sole reason for living was to take out Undead whodid not go to their rightful rest
08/07/2008 22:22:03 ‹James Jacobs› Wee Jas is more accepting of undead than Pharasma, but Pharasma is absolutely the James Jacobs Ripoff of Wee Jas.
08/07/2008 22:22:08 ‹BM› I hope you make monsters gain feats at the same rate as PCs. Makes stating monsters more tedious
08/07/2008 22:22:23 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: Yeah, he also has four lungs. I just think it was Erikson's starting point for his campaign world. Focusing on the scale of size small rather than medium. He modified all the races, including what were humans on that scale.
08/07/2008 22:22:32 ‹James Jacobs› BM> That's my hope too! :)
08/07/2008 22:22:39 ‹greengrunt› Yeah but Pharasma sounds better :D
08/07/2008 22:22:43 ‹Wiglaf› I am rather glad to hear that bit about the god of death. As much as I like the undead, I just don't see Death liking them very much.
08/07/2008 22:22:43 ‹Jason Bulmahn› BM> I am in agreement there.. but we only touch on monsters lightly in the Beta at this point.. that will probably change
08/07/2008 22:22:50 ‹yoda8myhead› Scribe and Grunt, what are you talking about? it sounds intriguing
08/07/2008 22:22:52 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Thanks! :)
08/07/2008 22:22:55 ‹Zaister_› I can live with different porgressions between class levles and racial hit dice
08/07/2008 22:22:57 ‹BM› Okay.
08/07/2008 22:23:27 ‹James Jacobs› We DO have a "Grim Reaper" type god of accidental death, though. He gets introduced in the hardcover. He and Pharasma do NOT get along well.
08/07/2008 22:23:30 ‹greengrunt› RS> He leaves so much mystery in his books.. Like who the hell were the Forkrul Assail!?
08/07/2008 22:23:38 ‹BM› Have you made any changes to CMB? Or any Combat Maneuvers? I made a thread detailing things I noticed about them
08/07/2008 22:23:41 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Yeah, I had my own interpretation of Wee Jas from back in 1E days, and I just stuck with it. The standard depiction of her is much more accepting of undead.
08/07/2008 22:23:46 ‹Jason Bulmahn› well.. I've got some writing to do tonight.. so I should probably get going... I will hopefully have more time to chat next week
08/07/2008 22:23:54 ‹Wiglaf› Heh heh heh, that sounds great :D
08/07/2008 22:23:55 ‹greengrunt› RS> they were very interesting.. what little we glimpsed of them
08/07/2008 22:24:00 ‹Pygon› thanks Jason
08/07/2008 22:24:08 ‹Jason Bulmahn› First Beta preview goes up this Friday I believe...
08/07/2008 22:24:10 ‹yoda8myhead› thanks Jason
08/07/2008 22:24:10 ‹Ross writing› More to the point, Pharasma is a fate goddess and wants people do die at their proper time. Undead are active agents of death, hate, and murder. Those are bad.
08/07/2008 22:24:13 ‹yoda8myhead› I look forward to it
08/07/2008 22:24:15 ‹Pygon› excellent!
08/07/2008 22:24:17 ‹Daigle› Have a good night, Jason.
08/07/2008 22:24:18 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: I don't know about the Forkrull Assail, but they are scary!
08/07/2008 22:24:19 ‹Zaister_› Jason Bulmahn, thanks
08/07/2008 22:24:30 ‹Wiglaf› Good night Jason
08/07/2008 22:24:35 ‹Ross writing› Jason Bulmahn, night.
08/07/2008 22:24:35 ‹greengrunt› G'night Jason
08/07/2008 22:24:36 ‹Jason Bulmahn› Night everybody
08/07/2008 22:24:43 ‹Blazej› Night Jason Bulmahn,
08/07/2008 22:24:46 ‹ollibolli› gn8 jason
08/07/2008 22:24:51 ‹Russ› thanks, Jasonn
08/07/2008 22:24:52 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya Jason!
08/07/2008 22:24:52 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Jason!
08/07/2008 22:24:53 ‹Lilith› NIght Jason! :glomp
08/07/2008 22:25:30 ‹Russ› I hope monster/PCs get feats at the same rate, otherwise it is headache to do a classed monster
08/07/2008 22:25:36 ‹Russ› Though if a classed monster gets the extra feats, it works out
08/07/2008 22:25:40 ‹Absinth› Night, Jason.
08/07/2008 22:26:04 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> I agree. Feat aquisition must be tied to HD and it must be standardized. It wasn't in 3.0, and that was a complete mess.
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08/07/2008 22:26:16 ‹Zaister_› Russ, it's not that bad actually, if you keep the two progression separate and than add them up
08/07/2008 22:26:19 ‹greengrunt› RS> Didn't Karsa and his buddies release a Forkrul Assail as they were journeying to raid another Teblor village??
08/07/2008 22:26:22 ‹Crimson Jester› well and having all the rules work the same for both monsters and pcs makes all the headaches of monster stats go away
08/07/2008 22:26:24 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: Monsters aren't really a big part of the Beta, and for playtesting, the total number of feats a monster gets is kinda irrelevent.
08/07/2008 22:26:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG One of my favorite things about Erikson, is that he's on schedule both in terms of releasing his books, and in terms of confining his story to the number of books he originally set out to write.
08/07/2008 22:26:40 ‹Zaister_› racial hit dica and class levels are adifferent things
08/07/2008 22:26:46 ‹James Jacobs› Well... not irrelevent, but not as important as making sure rage points are cool, for example.
08/07/2008 22:26:51 ‹greengrunt› RS> He is a writing machine..
08/07/2008 22:26:58 ‹Russ› Zaister - the math doesn't work for me. I'm annoyed enoiugh by not having fractional BAB and saves.
08/07/2008 22:27:00 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: Yes. That was the Forkrull Assail that freaked me out, because it handed Karsa and his friends their asses.
08/07/2008 22:27:01 ‹Absinth› RS, yes, that's amazing.
08/07/2008 22:27:31 ‹James Jacobs› Monsters and PCs should use the same rules for creation. That's a core strength of the 3.5 system, and one of the great innovations of 3rd edition, actually.
08/07/2008 22:27:44 ‹Zaister_› yep
08/07/2008 22:27:49 ‹BM› The only problem is when you use 3.5 material and the monsters should have more feats. But its the same for PCs.
08/07/2008 22:27:55 ‹BM› *NPCs.
08/07/2008 22:28:02 ‹greengrunt› RS> Heh.. there is another encounter with an Assail somewhere.. Was it in Midnight Tides??
08/07/2008 22:28:03 ‹Pygon› in retrospect on other systems *cough* it makes the fights seem between more equal opponents too
08/07/2008 22:28:13 ‹Ross writing› Russ, fractional saves would also fix the +2 multiclassing bump.
08/07/2008 22:28:21 ‹James Jacobs› It's hard to imagine that monsters weren't actually given ability scores
08/07/2008 22:28:29 ‹Pygon› although some advancement methods can overpower some creatures badly
08/07/2008 22:28:43 ‹Zaister_› sevel monsters might need new feats when they have multiple toughness feats
08/07/2008 22:28:54 ‹Crimson Jester› there has to be a fix for multiclassing to much.......other then the GM just saying NO
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08/07/2008 22:29:06 ‹Absinth› Multiple toughness feats?
08/07/2008 22:29:10 ‹BM› James, Argeed. The one thing I wished for 4e when I first heard about it was the they would basically treat racial HD as class levels. But ohh well.
08/07/2008 22:29:18 ‹James Jacobs› Advancing monsters and giving them super specialized feats should alter their CR more than the current rules suggest, that's for sure.
08/07/2008 22:29:26 ‹Zaister_› yep, some monsters habe toughness more than once
08/07/2008 22:29:37 ‹Pygon› I'm thinking of a certain Eye of the Deep :)
08/07/2008 22:29:40 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, Rambling Scribe, what are you talking about? Sounds intriguing but I missed the start
08/07/2008 22:29:47 ‹BM› Tarrasque has 6 of toughness feats.
08/07/2008 22:29:48 ‹Blazej› Cryohydra with Quicken Breath!
08/07/2008 22:29:48 ‹greengrunt› RS> I think it was the Letherii that released in the hopes of stmying the Tiste Edur advance
08/07/2008 22:29:54 ‹Russ› Ross - yep. I hate the warping of the game caused byt stacking favored saves.
08/07/2008 22:29:55 ‹James Jacobs› I think they're talking about Bella Sera.
08/07/2008 22:29:58 ‹greengrunt› Yoda... we
08/07/2008 22:30:03 ‹Absinth› lol
08/07/2008 22:30:03 ‹Daigle› :lol:
08/07/2008 22:30:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› BM: I've long believed that monster HD would work better if they scaled more closely to class levels.
08/07/2008 22:30:16 ‹Daigle› Sebastian finally changed his avatar
08/07/2008 22:30:16 ‹Russ› James - gads, I was converting a 2nd ed product, I had pushed "storm giant strength" out of my heaf
08/07/2008 22:30:17 ‹greengrunt› oops.. talking about Steven Erikson's books
08/07/2008 22:30:26 ‹Crimson Jester› On Sebastian Talkes of Bella Sera
08/07/2008 22:30:27 ‹BM› Which would give him an extra 306 HP.
08/07/2008 22:30:42 ‹BM› Rambling Scribe, fully argeed.
08/07/2008 22:30:47 ‹Daigle› He has a pony and its name is Skipper. :P
08/07/2008 22:30:52 ‹Russ› And THERE was a brilliant 2nd edism. Str 20 could throw further than Str 21. Because Str 20 was stone giant Str.
08/07/2008 22:30:55 ‹Zaister_› BM: you can't take the new toughness more than once
08/07/2008 22:30:57 ‹James Jacobs› BM> The tarrasque, honestly, can use those extra hp.
08/07/2008 22:31:00 ‹Wiglaf› Does it have a little hat?
08/07/2008 22:31:01 ‹greengrunt› Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen.. it's a series.. It's up to eight books now
08/07/2008 22:31:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› Steven Erikson is an amazing author.
08/07/2008 22:31:18 ‹Zaister_› so basically the tarrasque has 5 free feats
08/07/2008 22:31:26 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
08/07/2008 22:31:27 ‹BM› I hope PFRPG will do something with the Monsters as PC rules. LA just sucks badly.
08/07/2008 22:31:34 ‹Zaister_› oh yes
08/07/2008 22:31:35 ‹greengrunt› The series begins with the book- Gardens of the Moon
08/07/2008 22:31:40 ‹James Jacobs› He should just take Improved Natural Armor 5 times.
08/07/2008 22:31:41 ‹yoda8myhead› What has he written?
08/07/2008 22:31:48 ‹BM› Zaister talking if they toughness stacked.
08/07/2008 22:31:57 ‹greengrunt› it starts off a little weak.. but it really grows stronger as the series progresses
08/07/2008 22:31:59 ‹James Jacobs› BM>I think the solution there is to just throw out LA entirely.
08/07/2008 22:32:00 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: I don't really recall the other Forkrull. I'm going to reread the whole series when the last book comes out.
08/07/2008 22:32:04 ‹yoda8myhead› is it a long series of long books? I like those
08/07/2008 22:32:19 ‹Zaister_› BN: 3.5 Tougness stacks, yes, PFRPG doesn't
08/07/2008 22:32:24 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, would you use straight HD as an alternate?
08/07/2008 22:32:27 ‹James Jacobs› Although monsters should be built on the same basic rules as a PC... not all monsters are or SHOULD be playable as PCs.
08/07/2008 22:32:27 ‹BM› James Jacobs, any idea that will replace it?
08/07/2008 22:32:33 ‹Absinth› Isn't it aimed at 12 books with 8 already released?
08/07/2008 22:32:39 ‹Wiglaf› I agree that LA doesn't seem to work too well. Then again, I like Half-Ogre PCs. Before nick got a hold of them anyway. :)
08/07/2008 22:32:39 ‹James Jacobs› I would encourage folk to not play monsters, honestly. That's a different game entirely.
08/07/2008 22:32:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yoda: The one in front of me is ~ 1200 pages.
08/07/2008 22:33:02 ‹Blazej› :(
08/07/2008 22:33:04 ‹James Jacobs› The concept of playing monsters should be handled in a book, a capstone system like Psionics.
08/07/2008 22:33:05 ‹Crimson Jester› Does anyone ahve games where monsters are played a lot anyway?
08/07/2008 22:33:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› I can't remember now if it's going to be 10 or 12, but 8 are now out.
08/07/2008 22:33:16 ‹greengrunt› Gardens of the Moon, Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice, House of Chains, Midnight Tides, The Bonehunters, Reaper's Gale, Toll of the Hounds.. Whew
08/07/2008 22:33:21 ‹Zaister_› not every race with LA ist a "monster" though
08/07/2008 22:33:22 ‹James Jacobs› Either that, or each GM should make his own decisions onw hat monsters he wants his PCs to play.
08/07/2008 22:33:25 ‹Crimson Jester› I have one player who does anytime we let him, but justone
08/07/2008 22:33:32 * Blazej raises his hand.
08/07/2008 22:33:44 ‹Zaister_› I'm partial to githyanki for example :)
08/07/2008 22:33:45 ‹greengrunt› Er.. Toll the Hounds ..my bad
08/07/2008 22:34:00 ‹Daigle› Our group has talked about doing a one-shot playing monsters, but we always do something else instead.
08/07/2008 22:34:04 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: For Golarion... we assume PCs are humans or demihumans. The adventures and sorucebooks make little allowance for PCs who are goblins or trolls or gibbering mouthers or liches or will-o-wisps or pterodactyls.
08/07/2008 22:34:08 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: I agree on monsters are not all playable, and shouldn't be, but CR balancing would be easier the more similar the systems were.
08/07/2008 22:34:09 ‹yoda8myhead› :shock:1200 pages! I thought GRRM and Jordan were bad
08/07/2008 22:34:12 ‹BM› As long as there is rules to play as monsters. I hate when RPGs say no you can't for no good reason.
08/07/2008 22:34:13 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes Blazej?
08/07/2008 22:34:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yoda: But Erikson has never been late with a book.
08/07/2008 22:34:46 ‹Blazej› I have had a game where monstrous PCs were somewhat common.
08/07/2008 22:34:47 ‹greengrunt› IMO I think he's better than Jordan and Martin combined.. But don't let me jazz him up too much
08/07/2008 22:34:50 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, some LA creatures are demihumans, like drow or chaos gnomes or aasimar for expample
08/07/2008 22:34:58 ‹greengrunt› Some people hate him
08/07/2008 22:35:01 ‹James Jacobs› CR should be a gauge of how tough a monster is compared to other monsters. That's an entirely different thing from "how broken is this mosnter for a PC to play?"
08/07/2008 22:35:12 ‹Russ› LA doesnt' work as badly as people say, tho. I thought Savage Species had it right - a monster PC should be a bit weaker. You get the cooler PC, it is a tradeoff.
08/07/2008 22:35:28 ‹Zaister_› grrengrunt, the series is too military focused for my taste as far as I can tell
08/07/2008 22:35:34 ‹Wyvern› I want to be a gibbering mouther monk!
08/07/2008 22:35:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› I agree with Greengrunt. I like GRRM and I used to like Jordan, but I like Erikson better.
08/07/2008 22:35:44 ‹greengrunt› Zaister.. It's not
08/07/2008 22:35:48 ‹Russ› Absolutely agreed. The classic example for me is an ogre mage. Underwehlming monster, amazing PC with a good blocker in front of it, particularly with the elite array.
08/07/2008 22:35:53 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> Yup. And having played a drow for a few years... that LA garbage is just that, Garbage. You're a bit tougher at lower levels, sure, but the XP hit at higher levels SUCKS, and the bonuses you gain diminish in cool with each level.
08/07/2008 22:36:03 ‹Pygon› Spring Attack Stunning Slam!
08/07/2008 22:36:12 ‹Zaister_› greengrunt, it's what I've heard from all my friends that read it
08/07/2008 22:36:12 ‹Rambling Scribe› The first book is more military focused than most, especially the beginning.
08/07/2008 22:36:20 ‹greengrunt› Alot of books do focus on the Malazan army .. granted.. but he breaks away from that in a few books
08/07/2008 22:36:32 ‹Russ› (mind you, I do think LA works somewhat badly!)
08/07/2008 22:36:36 ‹James Jacobs› Frankly... the more class levels you get, the more your power is based on your class, not your race. The concept of associated and non-associated class levels addresses this, somewhat, for monsters. The LA replacement system should do the same.
08/07/2008 22:36:54 ‹greengrunt› But the Malazan armies focused on in the books... It ain't your typical fantasy army
08/07/2008 22:37:03 ‹Crimson Jester› James since they are OGL would you consider using Aasimar or Tieflings ect..... as a PC race at some point?
08/07/2008 22:37:04 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, I used the LA buy off rule from UA for a while, nut with PFRPG that doesn't really fir anymore
08/07/2008 22:37:05 ‹Russ› Yeah, ,but it is hard to give someone a fractional level penalty under the 3E xp system. PF allows you to get xp penalties to work again, so it may do better.
08/07/2008 22:37:07 ‹Ross writing› Drow should lose SR. That would help level them a lot.
08/07/2008 22:37:10 ‹Pygon› so LA would differ depending on which class is taken...
08/07/2008 22:37:11 ‹Wiglaf› Excellent. Glad to hear it.
08/07/2008 22:37:13 ‹greengrunt› they get caught up in events bigger than a conquest for the Empire
08/07/2008 22:37:18 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Absolutely.
08/07/2008 22:37:43 ‹James Jacobs› I put an aasimar in the first adventure, frankly, to cement their presence in Golarion ASAP for that reason.
08/07/2008 22:37:44 ‹Rambling Scribe› The biggest complaint most people have about Erikson is that he throws you into the ocean of his incredibly detailed world and lets you swim or drown.
08/07/2008 22:37:50 ‹Daigle› AP4 perhaps?
08/07/2008 22:37:58 ‹greengrunt› Aye.. I like that about him RS
08/07/2008 22:38:00 ‹James Jacobs› And there are a LOT of tieflings in Cheliax. And quite a few in Riddleport too.
08/07/2008 22:38:03 ‹Russ› Particularly, PF RPG will allow the penalty to go down as you go up.
08/07/2008 22:38:03 ‹Crimson Jester› I was actually going to post this but as an Homage to Gygax how about a weasel race? naw never work
08/07/2008 22:38:15 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: me too, but some people don't like it.
08/07/2008 22:38:20 ‹yoda8myhead› Rambling Scribe, i love that about Jordan, though, so it might be for me
08/07/2008 22:38:21 ‹greengrunt› In Gardens of the Moon.. I strongly suggest going to the back and reading the Appendixes
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08/07/2008 22:38:36 ‹Absinth› We're playing monster oneshots or mini-campaigns from time to time. It's kinda refreshing to somehow "change sides". We had an orc mini-campaign, a vampire mini-campaign and a one-shot in which the players played kenku. all of those were fun, but I wouldn't want to DM a whole campaign with monster PCs.
08/07/2008 22:38:40 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Thing about SR is that it's not necessarilly a GOOD thing to have at higher levels for a PC. Especially when it comes to healing.
08/07/2008 22:38:52 ‹greengrunt› RS> He doesn't dumb it down and backtrack like Jordan did
08/07/2008 22:39:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Yep.
08/07/2008 22:39:21 ‹Russ› Particularly cure light wounds wands
08/07/2008 22:39:33 ‹greengrunt› Rather, in Gardens of the Moon.. read the appendix first before starting the book
08/07/2008 22:39:33 ‹Crimson Jester› Are the Jordan Conan Novels worth the read??
08/07/2008 22:39:42 ‹Pygon› tired. Good night all. Thanks again James!
08/07/2008 22:39:50 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Pygon!
08/07/2008 22:39:51 ‹Crimson Jester› Night Pygon
08/07/2008 22:39:51 ‹James Jacobs› My drow actually died at least once becase the other PCs couldn't get through her SR with healing. And she relatively often missed out on AOE buffs.
08/07/2008 22:39:56 ‹greengrunt› I don't know CJ.. Night Pygon
08/07/2008 22:39:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Pygon!
08/07/2008 22:40:04 ‹Blazej› What about just making all monster player races LA +0 by force?
08/07/2008 22:40:08 ‹greengrunt› I've heard Jordan's Conan was decent
08/07/2008 22:40:12 ‹Blazej› Night Pygon.
08/07/2008 22:40:15 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, it'll be a while before I get to a new series, but remind me again in a few months and I'll give him a try
08/07/2008 22:40:16 ‹BM› Yeah, SR sucks on PCs because your more like to need healing in a fight as a PC then you would as a Monster.
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08/07/2008 22:40:22 ‹Crimson Jester› I have all the other but none of his
08/07/2008 22:40:24 ‹Ross writing› James Jacobs, I'm aware. It's a terrible ability for PCs to have.
08/07/2008 22:40:25 ‹greengrunt› But I'm not much of a Conan fan
08/07/2008 22:40:26 ‹Blazej› ?
08/07/2008 22:40:31 ‹Blazej› Hello, Pygon...
08/07/2008 22:40:37 ‹greengrunt› Will do Yoda
08/07/2008 22:40:38 ‹James Jacobs› It was frustratiing, particularly when you add in the fact that her spell-like abilities were useless at 19th level, and her +2 Int and +2 Cha were relatively small potatoes compared to the bumps she was getting from her items and magic and stuffs.
08/07/2008 22:40:48 ‹Wiglaf› CJ, I've read them and I like 'em. Not fantastic,m but still fun. Get it at a library if you can.
08/07/2008 22:40:49 ‹BM› Blazej, You could go that route if the whole group is running monsters.
08/07/2008 22:40:58 ‹James Jacobs› WHAT! NOT A CONAN FAN!?!
08/07/2008 22:41:12 ‹Crimson Jester› I was thinking of a used book store just to have a complete set
08/07/2008 22:41:13 ‹greengrunt› Aye JJ not a Conan fan :sad:
08/07/2008 22:41:23 * Pygon quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 22:41:23 * Pygon quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 22:41:24 ‹James Jacobs› More Conan for me then. Fair enough.
08/07/2008 22:41:32 ‹greengrunt› :D
08/07/2008 22:41:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› In my Ptolus campaign, I gave the PCs a slightly reduced point-buy equivelant (using 3DA character gen) if they took a LA race.
08/07/2008 22:42:10 ‹greengrunt› Paizo hasn't written any Conan styled APs I've noticed :razz:
08/07/2008 22:42:13 ‹Blazej› BM, I meant reducing the monster abilities to match what a LA +0 race would have. So they would be "balanced" against a human or an elf.
08/07/2008 22:42:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› The point -buy reduction often ended up being not much of an effect on stats due to the scaling of costs.
08/07/2008 22:42:40 ‹Samwise› do all monsters have to be playable as PCs?
08/07/2008 22:42:41 ‹Crimson Jester› no Paizo has YET to write a conan styled AP :)
08/07/2008 22:42:59 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The Robert E Howard influences are there, never fear!
08/07/2008 22:43:02 ‹BM› Not a fan of that. But then again, I lean toward simulation.
08/07/2008 22:43:03 ‹Blazej› Samwise, no?
08/07/2008 22:43:07 ‹greengrunt› JJ have you checked out Mongoose's Conan RPG??
08/07/2008 22:43:36 ‹Samwise› Blazej>then perhaps that is the balance factor that makes LA +1 and higher irrelevant
08/07/2008 22:43:36 ‹BM› Samwise, preferably, yeah (If the game system could support it)
08/07/2008 22:43:37 ‹greengrunt› Well there's a difference between Howard's Conan and the newer stuff isn't there?
08/07/2008 22:43:52 ‹Sothal@work› lol... http://bp1.blogger.com/_vrvO78...EMH.jpg
08/07/2008 22:44:05 ‹Samwise› BM>and hence if the game system cannot support it, as with the LA effect
08/07/2008 22:44:07 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> No. In fact... I would prefer it that most monsters AREN'T playable as PCs. Simply a preference choice. I like monsters being monsters. Allwoing them to be PCs makes them less mysterious, more pedestrian, and turns the campaign, in my opinion, into a sideshow or a circuis.
08/07/2008 22:44:07 ‹Russ› No. A lot don't need to be playable. Zombies, asassin vines, tarrasques.......
08/07/2008 22:44:25 ‹Sothal@work› oozes
08/07/2008 22:44:34 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, I'm mostly with you there
08/07/2008 22:44:37 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I haven't looked much into Mongoose's Conan, no.
08/07/2008 22:44:42 ‹Daigle› Crap! I can't play a brown mold!? :P
08/07/2008 22:44:43 ‹Wiglaf› Dies Stirg
08/07/2008 22:44:50 ‹Samwise› James>i agree, i think that was where savage species, and to a degree 3E, failed
08/07/2008 22:44:55 ‹Wyvern› Hear hear James! For the circus.
08/07/2008 22:44:58 ‹Russ› shriekers!
08/07/2008 22:44:58 ‹Zaister_› thouse some humanoids are just too cool to pass up completely :)
08/07/2008 22:45:01 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> There is. Howard's Conan stuff is better, because he's basically just a better writer than most other writers.
08/07/2008 22:45:05 ‹Wiglaf› Dire*
08/07/2008 22:45:05 ‹Samwise› it tried too hard to make every monster a playable character race
08/07/2008 22:45:14 ‹greengrunt› JJ> that's an interesting approach to the critters.. but what about the goblinoids and orcs??
08/07/2008 22:45:17 ‹Russ› Can I play a nilbog in your game?
08/07/2008 22:45:22 ‹Samwise› and it wound up with the LA system that fell short over time
08/07/2008 22:45:41 ‹James Jacobs› Goblinoids and orcs should remain monsters also. At least as far as Golarion is concerned.
08/07/2008 22:45:44 ‹Crimson Jester› Some Races just work better as NPCs
08/07/2008 22:45:44 ‹Zaister_› too bad githyanki aren't OGC
08/07/2008 22:45:54 ‹Russ› I think LA works fine for non-casters.
08/07/2008 22:45:57 ‹James Jacobs› Other games and worlds do a MUCH better job at presenting orcs as player races.
08/07/2008 22:46:02 ‹Samwise› also i would suggest it may have missed a few places to shift things to bonus feats for npcs
08/07/2008 22:46:05 ‹Samwise› such as the drow
08/07/2008 22:46:06 ‹Crimson Jester› Yes the Gith and Mindflayers worked quite well
08/07/2008 22:46:10 ‹greengrunt› JJ> but they shouldn't have fighter classes and what not you think?
08/07/2008 22:46:23 ‹Samwise› they turned the drow 4th level and divine caster bonus spell-like abilities into feats
08/07/2008 22:46:23 ‹James Jacobs› Nilbog... Anyone who wants to play a nilbog in one of my games must watch Troll 2 before and after each game as punishment.
08/07/2008 22:46:35 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
08/07/2008 22:46:39 ‹Zaister_› does Golarion have their own gith-like creatures perhaps? :)
08/07/2008 22:46:41 ‹Samwise› why not just have the base spell-like abilities as a feat which "monster" drow get for free?
22:46:48 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> I think they should have character classes, yes. They just shouldn't be played by the players in a Golarion game.
08/07/2008 22:46:52 ‹Samwise› if that is what it takes to make them LA +0 that is
08/07/2008 22:47:01 ‹greengrunt› Ohhhh... Aye!
08/07/2008 22:47:32 ‹greengrunt› I liked the Kingdoms of Kalamar approach to the orcs and hobgoblins
08/07/2008 22:47:40 ‹James Jacobs› Zaister> Depends what you're looking for in a gith-like creature. We aren't going to build a "gith replacement" just to have one, if that's what you're looking for.
08/07/2008 22:47:42 ‹greengrunt› it was a fun read at any rate
08/07/2008 22:47:54 ‹James Jacobs› I suspect that the denizens of Leng could do a pretty good job filling in the githyanki role.
08/07/2008 22:48:02 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, weel just something that feels as cool :)
08/07/2008 22:48:06 ‹Zaister_› ah
08/07/2008 22:48:36 ‹BM› James, I can accept that if the game was built around how things play out in a setting. But in a game where it will be used in a number of settings, the game should try to be as flexible as possible.
08/07/2008 22:48:38 ‹ollibolli› guys, i need to get to work
08/07/2008 22:48:44 ‹Rambling Scribe› Not so much for non-humanoid monsters though.
08/07/2008 22:48:45 ‹ollibolli› will be back on in an hour
08/07/2008 22:48:48 ‹ollibolli› bye
08/07/2008 22:48:49 ‹greengrunt› later olli
08/07/2008 22:48:50 ‹Daigle› Have a good day olli!
08/07/2008 22:48:59 ‹Rambling Scribe› Gak, one of my posts got ate.
08/07/2008 22:49:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› But if the PFrpg is going to be OGL, and used for other settings, I'd like there to be a reasonable way to play goblinoids etc. for world where it is appropriate.
08/07/2008 22:49:14 ‹Rambling Scribe› There it is.
08/07/2008 22:49:14 ‹Crimson Jester› Do the Denizens of Leng have Racial Foes though?
08/07/2008 22:49:24 ‹James Jacobs› We'll certainly be adding new exotic races to the world now and then. If one of them turns out to be as popular and cool as the gith, then bonus! But going out and TRYING to catch that lightning in a bottle is a waste of effort. Better to do your best at making your own stuff as cool as possible than trying to play catch-up with D&D stuff we can't use.
08/07/2008 22:49:38 ‹greengrunt› You know what I wish, I wish 3.5 had come out with a better DM monster design kit rather than a shitload of MMs
08/07/2008 22:49:39 ‹Zaister_› thats true
08/07/2008 22:49:52 ‹BM› But since the odds are that PFRPG will be used for different settings, it should have rules to play as an orc.
08/07/2008 22:49:56 ‹Rambling Scribe› I agree GG.
08/07/2008 22:49:57 * ollibolli quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 22:50:09 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, good approach :)
08/07/2008 22:50:11 ‹Samwise› James>that reminds me, if it is not to much on the business side to ask, are you using the Lovecraft references under any sort of agreement with Chaosium? the reference to their sourcebooks and such
08/07/2008 22:50:18 ‹BM› DM can always say that the PC concept doesn't work for their game.
08/07/2008 22:50:37 ‹Crimson Jester› Loved, Loved the Minotaurs, any chance we will see them in a module soon, maybe something reminescent of National Treasure?
08/07/2008 22:50:41 ‹James Jacobs› BM> Yup, I hear ya there. But the core setting, which is supported by the PF RPG, is a world very much like Golarion. A monster PC setting would be very different, just as a psionic setting would be. And therefore, that type of content needs to be its own book. I think a "How to play a monster" book is a GREAT idea. Savage Species was a good attempt, but it can be done so much better...
08/07/2008 22:50:58 ‹greengrunt› I tried a Savage Species.. It got to be a pain in the ass after a while.. And we shitcanned it
08/07/2008 22:51:05 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Yes, the denizens of Leng have racial foes. Moonbeasts, cats, ghouls... they've got a lot of folk hating them.
08/07/2008 22:51:07 ‹Russ› CJ - PF #11 has minos. Sort of :)
08/07/2008 22:51:21 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL oh yeah forgot the Cats
08/07/2008 22:51:37 ‹Crimson Jester› still waiting for PF 11 Sigh
08/07/2008 22:51:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› I ran an all-goblinoid campaign for over a year. It was awesome.
08/07/2008 22:52:05 ‹greengrunt› Nice RS.. wish I was there to see it
08/07/2008 22:52:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› But they weren't Pathfinder goblins.
08/07/2008 22:52:35 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> We basically contacted Chaosium and asked them if they were cool with us using Lovecraftian stuff now and then, and did so respectfully and promised to throw in some blurbs for them whenever we did. They've been very friendly and accomidating. That said...we've also been careful to limit our use to stuff that's in Public Domain anyway...
08/07/2008 22:52:35 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, please revisit monster levels as way around ECL in a Play a monster book :)
08/07/2008 22:52:46 ‹BM› James, a can deal with that. I remember there being talk of PFPRG savage species.
08/07/2008 22:52:55 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> No plans for a minotaur adventure anytime soon, sorry...
08/07/2008 22:53:03 ‹greengrunt› In my Savage Species.. I had a half-dragon... a freaking stone golem .. and an ogre mage.. God it was a pain when dishing out the xp
08/07/2008 22:53:17 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: I wrote the first chapter as a 3.5 adventure for WotC. It's still supposed to get published. But it was converted to be humanocentric, and I don't know if they'll keep my goblin-conversion notes.
08/07/2008 22:53:20 ‹James Jacobs› HA! Yeah... there's PARTS of minotaurs in PF 11...
08/07/2008 22:53:25 ‹BM› Which is there is, I really would like to playtest or somehow help with it.
08/07/2008 22:53:33 ‹greengrunt› RS> :sad:
08/07/2008 22:53:49 ‹Ross writing› greengrunt, I ran one where everyone was half something. The LA caught up with them.
08/07/2008 22:53:58 ‹Crimson Jester› James what is the chance of someone there doing a list of books and movies for inspiration like the original DMG sometime?
08/07/2008 22:54:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› GG: The good news is that I got my cheque from them for it this week.
08/07/2008 22:54:06 ‹greengrunt› Personally... I think WOTC gives freelancers the shaft.. :-&
08/07/2008 22:54:07 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> And how did you explain why a half dragon, a golem, and an ogre mage were out adventuring? It sounds like the setup for a bar-room joke!
08/07/2008 22:54:15 ‹greengrunt› LOL
08/07/2008 22:54:19 ‹Zaister_› hehe
08/07/2008 22:54:22 ‹Samwise› James>ok, i sort of expected that, like the deal Gygax said he tried doing over D&DG back in the day, as i recall Chaosium has its own take on the public domain aspects of Lovecraft, it is just something that was popping into my mind as the rants over the GSL continue on the WotC forums
08/07/2008 22:54:38 ‹greengrunt› Well.. there was a monstrous city called Kindred.. it was a city state of sorts
08/07/2008 22:54:44 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I had a gnoll, gnome and a tibbit. Great setup. "A cat, a dog and a gnome walk into a bar..."
08/07/2008 22:54:54 ‹BM› Bah, I beat everyone here. My first group included 2 drow, a half-dragon, and two humans.
08/07/2008 22:54:57 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> The chance of there being a list of books and movies for inspiration like the one in the 1E DMG is, I dare say, 100% for the PF RPG.
08/07/2008 22:54:59 ‹greengrunt› The golem was an awakened former guardian of some vaults below the city
08/07/2008 22:55:05 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL Love the Tibbit
08/07/2008 22:55:30 ‹Samwise› and set a minimum number of books to read or people cant play! :-P
08/07/2008 22:55:43 ‹greengrunt› Kindred was actually built atop some draconic ruins
08/07/2008 22:55:57 ‹Zaister_› Is Lin Carter on the list? :)
08/07/2008 22:56:20 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> That was a lot more complicated than Chaosium getting riled up, actually. Chaosium was actaully cool with it; free advertising! The problem was that management at the time didn't want material in a D&D book that was upselling the competition's stuff. They didn't want someone who read about another cool game in a D&D product to go spend their money on a different company.
08/07/2008 22:56:30 ‹James Jacobs› Therefore, the Cthulhu and Melnibonian stuff went away.
08/07/2008 22:56:39 ‹Blazej› In one game I had a tibbit, fox hengeyokai, goliath, a rikalian [sic], and a single human form the core of the party for a while
08/07/2008 22:56:46 ‹James Jacobs› TSR had the license for the Leiber stuff, so that got to stay in the book.
08/07/2008 22:56:58 ‹Russ› Insert "Lorraine is a big fat b&!$~" song
08/07/2008 22:57:08 ‹Samwise› James>yep, i remember getting the story from Gary on his list
08/07/2008 22:57:11 ‹greengrunt› It was crazy.. I had it so that the Tarrasque was imprisoned by the dragons centuries ago as a kind of generator .. the dragons syphoned off some of the Tarrasques energies to run the city
08/07/2008 22:57:13 ‹James Jacobs› This was well before Lorraine, I suspect.
08/07/2008 22:57:14 ‹BM› Group when on to include a stripped down vampire.
08/07/2008 22:57:15 ‹Samwise› a rather bizarre incident
08/07/2008 22:57:21 ‹Samwise› Russ>that was the Blumes
08/07/2008 22:57:37 ‹Russ› Ah, s/Lorraine/Blume/b!+@@/a@$%&+!/ :)
08/07/2008 22:57:38 ‹James Jacobs› Lin Carter isn't on MY list. His brilliance was in editing, not writing.
08/07/2008 22:57:38 ‹greengrunt› and the PCs.. well.. they woke it up.. inadvertently
08/07/2008 22:57:47 ‹Samwise› something Lorraine is innocent of :-P
08/07/2008 22:58:11 ‹Zaister_› hm.. the Callisto books would make a greaat addition to the Planet Story line
08/07/2008 22:58:11 ‹greengrunt› It was the only way I could throw the Tarrasque in that I thought of at the time
08/07/2008 22:58:12 ‹Mothman› Yeah, when Complete Book of Humanoids came out for 2E we had a party with a Minotaur, a pixie, a lizardman and ... something else - mongrelman I think
08/07/2008 22:58:21 ‹Absinth› .
08/07/2008 22:58:39 ‹Ross writing› Curse you west coast people. I'm gonna go fall over now. G'night.
08/07/2008 22:58:47 ‹greengrunt› Night Ross
08/07/2008 22:58:50 ‹Mothman› see you Ross
08/07/2008 22:59:03 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Ross
08/07/2008 22:59:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Ross. I'm on Eastern time...
08/07/2008 22:59:06 ‹greengrunt› Thank goodness I don't have to be at work until 3:20pm tomorrow
08/07/2008 22:59:28 ‹Blazej› This west coast person is going to try to sleep now.
08/07/2008 22:59:36 ‹Russ› The Rogue's Gallery had a centaur and a lizardman
08/07/2008 22:59:38 * Ross writing quit
08/07/2008 22:59:43 ‹greengrunt› Ok Blaze.. night
08/07/2008 22:59:46 ‹Daigle› Sleep well, Blazej
08/07/2008 22:59:47 ‹Zaister_› hey I just got up :)
08/07/2008 22:59:48 ‹Crimson Jester› Speaking of Hengeyokai..... Is any part of Oriental Adventures OGL in any way?
08/07/2008 22:59:55 ‹BM› Yeah, it sucks to be eastern time for these chats. Its around 2 now.
08/07/2008 23:00:05 ‹yoda8myhead› Any teasers for PF12, CS, or any other upcoming product James? Before I head to bed?
08/07/2008 23:00:11 ‹Crimson Jester› 100 here
08/07/2008 23:00:11 ‹greengrunt› I miss Kara Tur..isgh
08/07/2008 23:00:13 * Sir Wulf joins Main
08/07/2008 23:00:14 ‹Wiglaf› Mmmm West coast.... tastes salty.
08/07/2008 23:00:16 ‹greengrunt› sigh
08/07/2008 23:00:20 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wulf!
08/07/2008 23:00:23 ‹greengrunt› Hey Sir Wulf
08/07/2008 23:00:24 ‹Lilith› Sir Wulf! :glomp:
08/07/2008 23:00:26 ‹Rambling Scribe› :knight:
08/07/2008 23:00:31 ‹Samwise› Lin Carter is on the list
08/07/2008 23:00:35 ‹Crimson Jester› Greetings Sir Wulf
08/07/2008 23:00:36 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, OA is not OGL...:cry:
08/07/2008 23:00:42 ‹Sir Wulf› Allllooooo!
08/07/2008 23:00:45 ‹James Jacobs› HUZZAH FOR THE WEST COAST!!! <cheer>
08/07/2008 23:00:57 ‹greengrunt› :D
08/07/2008 23:01:07 ‹Samwise› although my 1st printing dmg died a horrible death and i only have an orange cover dmg 1 now, with the shortened reading list :(
08/07/2008 23:01:09 ‹Absinth› It's 8:00 in the morning here. The chats are always a great way to start the day, though I get tired at lunchtime. But it's worth it to begin the day with serious geekdom...
08/07/2008 23:01:17 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Nope; no part of OA is open content. Fortunately... all of the real-world myths that it's based on ARE open content.
08/07/2008 23:01:31 ‹greengrunt› The East Coast has never been conducive to supporting gaming companies.. I HATE IT.. Well that part of it anyway
08/07/2008 23:01:41 ‹Zaister_› I'm not really an OA fan
08/07/2008 23:01:42 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :woot:
08/07/2008 23:01:52 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... they shortened the reading list in the DMG?
08/07/2008 23:01:58 ‹BM› Still, the whole bit about Hengeyokai is based off of Asian myths, so it should be hard to create a copy.
08/07/2008 23:02:02 ‹Crimson Jester› Ive been working on an OA setting and just wanted to make it as compatable with PFRPG as possible
08/07/2008 23:02:05 ‹Samwise› you never knew that?
08/07/2008 23:02:14 ‹James Jacobs› Nope!
08/07/2008 23:02:18 ‹Samwise› yeah, the list in the orange spined DMG is a short little thing
08/07/2008 23:02:25 ‹Zaister_› oh
08/07/2008 23:02:27 ‹James Jacobs› Why'd they shorten it? To make more space for clutter?
08/07/2008 23:02:32 ‹Samwise› about 3 inches in a single column
08/07/2008 23:02:35 ‹Samwise› yeah, pretty much
08/07/2008 23:02:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› :lol:
08/07/2008 23:02:40 ‹greengrunt› 4E.. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR~
08/07/2008 23:02:49 ‹greengrunt› :pissed:
08/07/2008 23:02:56 ‹greengrunt› :-&
08/07/2008 23:03:09 ‹James Jacobs› Huh. I didn't use the orange spine one much.
08/07/2008 23:03:14 ‹Samwise› mind you, if you have an original efreeti/city of brass dmg 1 you have the good list
08/07/2008 23:03:29 ‹Wiglaf› RS, how did you get the Knight Smile face?
08/07/2008 23:03:30 * Samwise sighs wistfully over his dead DMG 1 again
08/07/2008 23:03:49 ‹BM› Lets keep this from devoling into a 4e chat. Unless James wants to give his 4e review.
08/07/2008 23:04:00 ‹greengrunt› Aye BM.. I shall
08/07/2008 23:04:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› Wiglaf: click on the face icon at the bottom of your screen. All the smilies show up and are clickable.
08/07/2008 23:04:08 ‹Zaister_› how did you get to 4e now?
08/07/2008 23:04:11 ‹James Jacobs› THe back cover of that book is great. It's awesome to show folk who get all "D&D IS ABOUT KNIGHTS AND LANCELOT AND CASTLES AND RENNISANSE FAIRES AND FAITHFUL MEDIEVAL CRAP!" You turn the DMG over and pow; you have all sorts of crazy high fantasy art inspired by the pulps.
08/07/2008 23:04:12 ‹Daigle› Wiglaf, if you click the grey smiley face at the bottom it opens a whole selection of them
08/07/2008 23:04:31 ‹Russ› Samwise - hmm? The list is the same size in all 1st ed DMGs
08/07/2008 23:04:34 ‹James Jacobs› It is not useful for me to give my 4E opinions.
08/07/2008 23:04:41 ‹Samwise› Russ>are you sure?
08/07/2008 23:04:48 ‹Russ› Not 100%
08/07/2008 23:04:54 ‹Samwise› i recall the efreeti cover list being a lot longer
08/07/2008 23:04:56 ‹Wiglaf› :knight:
08/07/2008 23:04:58 ‹Russ› But the alt cover dmg still refers to the 1st printing DMG _cover art_
08/07/2008 23:04:59 ‹Samwise› or at least more spread out
08/07/2008 23:05:02 ‹greengrunt› But oh it would be so nice if you would JJ :twisted:
08/07/2008 23:05:03 ‹Zaister_› I'm mariginally certzain that both 1e DMG versions are identical inside
08/07/2008 23:05:11 ‹Wiglaf› Awsome. Thanks Rambling Scribe.
08/07/2008 23:05:16 ‹Samwise› they are definitely not identical inside
08/07/2008 23:05:25 ‹Samwise› there are more appendices in the orange spine version
08/07/2008 23:05:28 ‹Zaister_› hmm
08/07/2008 23:05:35 ‹Russ› I've never found a difference
08/07/2008 23:05:51 ‹Samwise› i am absolutely certain of that despite no longer having my efreeti cover one, i compared them when i first got it
08/07/2008 23:05:52 ‹Rambling Scribe› I never had a copy of the orange-spined books.
08/07/2008 23:05:54 ‹Russ› I wonder what acaeum has to say
08/07/2008 23:05:57 ‹James Jacobs› Hmm. I'll have to check out the orange spine vs efreeti difference tomorrow at work. My bookshelves are currently WAY too disorganized to be understood...
08/07/2008 23:06:04 ‹Zaister_› hehe
08/07/2008 23:06:06 ‹Samwise› heh
08/07/2008 23:06:10 ‹Samwise› or i could be delusional
08/07/2008 23:06:13 ‹Samwise› it has been . . .
08/07/2008 23:06:29 ‹Samwise› 20? years since i even looked at an efreeti cover dmg 1
08/07/2008 23:06:42 ‹James Jacobs› Anyone who can't deduce my 4E opinions from my various posts and snarky comments isn't looking hard enough. :)
08/07/2008 23:06:43 ‹greengrunt› Samwise.. No delusions.. No delusions of granduer either :razz:
08/07/2008 23:06:47 ‹Crimson Jester› SO James do you go through those books while you are working for Ideas or is it just a place to store them
08/07/2008 23:06:48 ‹Russ› http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexe...mg.html
08/07/2008 23:06:52 ‹Russ› Appears to be no content differences
08/07/2008 23:06:57 ‹Samwise› but i am rather certain there are differences in the appendices
08/07/2008 23:07:20 ‹James Jacobs› I go through them. Not as often as I want.
08/07/2008 23:07:30 ‹Zaister_› James Jacobs, I think we know your opinion on 4E :)
08/07/2008 23:07:35 ‹Samwise› greengrunt>i have those, i just keep them in perspective :-P
08/07/2008 23:07:46 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Looks like I shall have to scour the Paizo MBs then :razz:
08/07/2008 23:07:48 ‹James Jacobs› Succubi are demons. That should sum it up.
08/07/2008 23:07:49 ‹Russ› Ok, the differences came in in the 6th printing
08/07/2008 23:07:59 ‹Russ› Which was an efreeti cover
08/07/2008 23:08:02 ‹Sir Wulf› Ah, those young whippersnappers with their Orange Spines... I remember when any DM worth his salt had Greyhawk, Blackmoor, and Eldritch Wizardry...
08/07/2008 23:08:19 ‹greengrunt› and don't forget Chainmail!!
08/07/2008 23:08:40 ‹James Jacobs› It's more snarky comments I've made on my Live Journal now and then... not so much comments on messageboards. I've been trying not to say much there.
08/07/2008 23:09:02 ‹greengrunt› And Ral Partha.. and Grenadier.. and 1st ed Traveller
08/07/2008 23:09:05 ‹Samwise› Russ, check it again . . .
08/07/2008 23:09:07 ‹Samwise› ahhh, right
08/07/2008 23:09:09 * Pete joins Main
08/07/2008 23:09:10 ‹Samwise› yeah, i see
08/07/2008 23:09:17 ‹Samwise› about then it got 6 more pages
08/07/2008 23:09:22 ‹Samwise› thats when the content changed
08/07/2008 23:09:26 ‹Daigle› wb Pete
08/07/2008 23:09:27 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Live Jounral? Nice!
08/07/2008 23:09:29 ‹Zaister_› I still have all he Grenadier dragons :)
08/07/2008 23:09:34 ‹Samwise› of course, i was playing when the dmg first came out
08/07/2008 23:09:39 ‹greengrunt› Zaister- ROCK!
08/07/2008 23:09:40 ‹Russ› That fits with both. There ARE two DMGS, but they aren't split by the cover change.
08/07/2008 23:09:40 ‹Sir Wulf› ...AND Avalon Hill's Wilderness Survival game for wilderness adventures...
08/07/2008 23:10:03 ‹greengrunt› Man- I forgot about Avalon Hill
08/07/2008 23:10:06 ‹Samwise› so i had a first printing before going apparently to a 9+
08/07/2008 23:10:14 * Pete quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 23:10:22 ‹Crimson Jester› I only have a copy of the dungeoneers survival guide of my 1st Ed :(
08/07/2008 23:10:23 ‹Samwise› yep, thats quite possible
08/07/2008 23:10:37 ‹Samwise› so now we need to find someone with a really old efreeti cover dmg
08/07/2008 23:10:40 ‹Sir Wulf› I wonder how much my 1st edition Traveller is worth, signed by the author... and held together by tape...
08/07/2008 23:10:44 * Samwise sighs yet again
08/07/2008 23:10:53 ‹greengrunt› and of course.. Gamma World.. Star Frontiers
08/07/2008 23:10:54 ‹Russ› I'm pretty sure mine is Revised
08/07/2008 23:10:57 ‹Rathendar› avalon hill made runequest and powers&perils ;)
08/07/2008 23:11:08 ‹greengrunt› Original Runequest... Sigh
08/07/2008 23:11:11 ‹Crimson Jester› Space Ace
08/07/2008 23:11:11 ‹Sir Wulf› no
08/07/2008 23:11:20 ‹greengrunt› Space Opera
08/07/2008 23:11:30 ‹greengrunt› the ICE system
08/07/2008 23:11:40 ‹Crimson Jester› Space 1889
08/07/2008 23:11:41 ‹Russ› Traveller, the little black book edition
08/07/2008 23:11:45 ‹Wiglaf› Mmmm, Star Frontiers. Interesting stuff
08/07/2008 23:11:46 ‹Sir Wulf› Avalon Hill bought Runequest later
08/07/2008 23:11:46 ‹Rathendar› i have some of those in a box still gg
08/07/2008 23:11:48 ‹Crimson Jester› RoleMaster 2
08/07/2008 23:11:50 ‹greengrunt› Aye Russ
08/07/2008 23:12:03 ‹Wiglaf› Space 1889 is great.
08/07/2008 23:12:03 ‹greengrunt› Yes CJ- that was it!
08/07/2008 23:12:06 ‹Zaister_› i liked Renegade Legion for SF :)
08/07/2008 23:12:14 ‹Russ› Cyborg Commando!
08/07/2008 23:12:15 ‹Rathendar› tho my star frontiers set is actually on the shelf cause i was d20 futuring it
08/07/2008 23:12:17 ‹Russ› SPAWN OF FASHAN!
08/07/2008 23:12:25 ‹Russ› Arduin!
08/07/2008 23:12:30 ‹Sir Wulf› You just want to see thwe recommended reading in the back of the ol DMG?
08/07/2008 23:12:31 ‹greengrunt› Nice Rath
08/07/2008 23:12:33 ‹Rambling Scribe› Space 1889 has an awesome setting and adventures but terrible rules.
08/07/2008 23:12:40 ‹Russ› I found a place where I can print out the star frontiers counters
08/07/2008 23:12:40 ‹Zaister_› RS: true
08/07/2008 23:12:46 ‹Sir Wulf› Spawn of Faschan FTL!
08/07/2008 23:12:47 ‹Russ› Which is nice, cause I want to run the battle of ebony eyes
08/07/2008 23:12:51 ‹Crimson Jester› bought myself new copies off of Amazon for less then $15 and they are rereleasing Rolemaster 2
08/07/2008 23:13:03 ‹James Jacobs› Woah... wandered off there for a sec...
08/07/2008 23:13:04 * Blazej quit
08/07/2008 23:13:07 ‹greengrunt› Space 1889??
08/07/2008 23:13:19 ‹Zaister_› Space 1889 was a great setting
08/07/2008 23:13:22 ‹greengrunt› I remember the show Space 1999
08/07/2008 23:13:26 ‹Sir Wulf› excellent game, once you throw out the rules...
08/07/2008 23:13:27 ‹Crimson Jester› great setting....... Victorian space adventures
08/07/2008 23:13:29 ‹Rathendar› jj was distracted by shiny object. "ooh shiny ;) "
08/07/2008 23:13:34 ‹greengrunt› where the moon was blown from orbit
08/07/2008 23:13:37 ‹Wiglaf› Yep. I love that setting. So many interesting ideas.
08/07/2008 23:13:38 * Huh joins Main
08/07/2008 23:13:44 ‹greengrunt› Hi Huh
08/07/2008 23:13:50 ‹Daigle› Howdy Huh
08/07/2008 23:13:55 ‹Crimson Jester› Very weird though....very Jules Verne
08/07/2008 23:14:14 * Russ pines for top secret si
08/07/2008 23:14:20 ‹Huh› Blazej. Just got confused for a minute.
08/07/2008 23:14:24 ‹greengrunt› Crazy rules system was Aftermath.. that sucked
08/07/2008 23:14:26 ‹Huh› Bye again.
08/07/2008 23:14:29 * Huh quit
08/07/2008 23:14:33 ‹James Jacobs› Ok. My mind is officially spiraling into "distracted by the possibility of playing Age of Conan or reading F. Paul Wilson" mode. Any last minute questions before I slink away?
08/07/2008 23:14:35 ‹Zaister_› another great setting and also great game machanics was TORG
08/07/2008 23:14:38 ‹Crimson Jester› Top Secret or just 007 rpg??
08/07/2008 23:14:43 ‹Wiglaf› I love the Airships on Mars. That is one thing I really wish I could play.
23:15:17 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Nothing comes to mind ATM.. Just remember to take a nice vacation once in a while ok? :D
08/07/2008 23:15:19 ‹Rambling Scribe› TORG is possibly my all time favorite game. I used TORG rules to play the Space 1889 setting.
08/07/2008 23:15:27 ‹Zaister_› oh, cool
08/07/2008 23:15:30 ‹Daigle› No questions here, James.
08/07/2008 23:15:35 ‹Crimson Jester› Chill was also a cool game
08/07/2008 23:15:41 ‹Rathendar› lotts interesting comment sjames, ty for them.
08/07/2008 23:15:42 ‹James Jacobs› I'm HOPING to take a few days off later this week if I can get "Children of the Void" into good shape.
08/07/2008 23:15:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› GNight James!
08/07/2008 23:15:50 ‹Daigle› Thank you for stopping by, have a good evening.
08/07/2008 23:15:52 ‹Crimson Jester› None from me James have fun with Age of Conan or the book
08/07/2008 23:15:52 ‹greengrunt› ROCK JJ
08/07/2008 23:15:53 ‹Rambling Scribe› Chill was an excellent game.
08/07/2008 23:15:57 ‹James Jacobs› But those days off will probably turn into next week.
08/07/2008 23:16:02 ‹Rathendar› was good having you here )
08/07/2008 23:16:04 ‹greengrunt› JJ>that would be awesome
08/07/2008 23:16:08 ‹Wiglaf› Have fun storming the castle James. Think it'll work?
08/07/2008 23:16:08 ‹James Jacobs› Was fun being here!
08/07/2008 23:16:09 ‹Zaister_› good night, James
08/07/2008 23:16:16 * Absinth quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 23:16:16 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all next time!
08/07/2008 23:16:17 * Samwise quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 23:16:25 ‹greengrunt› night JJ and thanks!
08/07/2008 23:16:25 ‹Rambling Scribe› It'll take a miracle!
08/07/2008 23:16:29 ‹Rathendar› same bat (neutral) time!
08/07/2008 23:16:30 ‹Wiglaf› Good night
08/07/2008 23:16:40 ‹Lilith› Thanks James! :thug:
08/07/2008 23:16:57 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
08/07/2008 23:17:02 ‹yoda8myhead› night James
08/07/2008 23:17:23 * James Jacobs quit (timeout)
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15/07/2008 19:59:08 ‹popscythe› I think you
15/07/2008 19:59:12 ‹Pygon› Name - any
15/07/2008 19:59:13 ‹popscythe› 're right
15/07/2008 19:59:18 ‹greengrunt› Or maybe Frostburn...
15/07/2008 19:59:19 ‹Daigle› Howdy James!
15/07/2008 19:59:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't know if it qualifies, but I'm having lots of fun mining ideas out of Heroes of Horror
15/07/2008 19:59:24 ‹Eyebite› Sandstorm was pretty good
15/07/2008 19:59:25 ‹Ross is full› Pygon, I like Manual of the Planes, but it's 3.0
15/07/2008 19:59:25 ‹greengrunt› Damn...
15/07/2008 19:59:28 ‹Ross is full› JJ!
15/07/2008 19:59:30 * Charles Evans :cthulhu::raptor::glomp:s James jacobs....
15/07/2008 19:59:32 ‹Nameless› I'm still kinda partial to Magic of Incarnum. And Complete Adventurer
15/07/2008 19:59:33 ‹CD working› Charles Evans, I'm still wondering what to do with your PbP
15/07/2008 19:59:33 ‹Pygon› hello James!
15/07/2008 19:59:34 ‹Eyebite› Hey James
15/07/2008 19:59:35 ‹Nameless› Hey James!
15/07/2008 19:59:35 ‹Kevin T.› Hey Dr. Jacob
15/07/2008 19:59:39 ‹Lilith› JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMES! :glomp:
15/07/2008 19:59:40 * Justin's slingin' pizzas changes his/her nickname to Justin Sluder
15/07/2008 19:59:40 ‹James Jacobs› YAY FROSTBURN!!!!!
15/07/2008 19:59:41 ‹Urza› Tome of Magic
15/07/2008 19:59:49 ‹Justin Sluder› damn, I couldn't have times this better
15/07/2008 19:59:53 ‹greengrunt› Congrats on the ENNIE nominations sir!!
15/07/2008 19:59:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› James :knight:
15/07/2008 19:59:56 ‹Justin Sluder› *timed
15/07/2008 20:00:04 * Pygon jots down Frostburn...
15/07/2008 20:00:04 ‹yoda8myhead› it's really warm outside for fristburn isn't it?
15/07/2008 20:00:04 ‹greengrunt› Paizo rocks!
15/07/2008 20:00:13 * Lilith runs over and gives James Jacobs a Godzilla cake that breathes fire. :raptor::wizfire:
15/07/2008 20:00:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Quick question; which 3.5 splatbook would you recommend Pygon buys????
15/07/2008 20:00:21 ‹Justin Sluder› Greetings and good evening to you Mr. Jacobs.
15/07/2008 20:00:26 ‹Pygon› he already did :)
15/07/2008 20:00:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Frostburn was my favorite of th e"terrain" series.
15/07/2008 20:00:42 ‹Charles Evans› Pygon/James. Okay, fine then.
15/07/2008 20:00:46 ‹James Jacobs› Hmmm.
15/07/2008 20:00:54 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon only gets one purchase?
15/07/2008 20:00:59 ‹Urza› KEJ.. same here
15/07/2008 20:01:01 ‹Nameless› Pygon, I've never run any Magic of Incarnum characters, but it seemed like a fun idea.
15/07/2008 20:01:05 ‹Fray› Pygon> Book of Nine Swords
15/07/2008 20:01:07 ‹Pygon› I'm making a list, I jsut want to know everyone's favorite
15/07/2008 20:01:15 ‹James Jacobs› Tome of Magic is cool. The first third is, at least.
15/07/2008 20:01:16 ‹Urza› Magic of Incarnum is YUCK
15/07/2008 20:01:25 ‹Pygon› in my list :) thanks
15/07/2008 20:01:30 ‹Lilith› Urza, says you. I rather liked it. :D
15/07/2008 20:01:40 ‹James Jacobs› I quite like the first four Complete books... for the most part...
15/07/2008 20:01:44 ‹jmberaldo› Howdie James
15/07/2008 20:01:47 ‹Nameless› Agreed, Lilith.
15/07/2008 20:01:52 ‹James Jacobs› Aloha!
15/07/2008 20:01:59 ‹Pygon› Arcane, Adventurer, Warrior, Divine?
15/07/2008 20:02:02 * Wyvern joins Main
15/07/2008 20:02:13 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Stil no Pathfidner #10 here in my LGS in the UK......
15/07/2008 20:02:14 ‹Daigle› Howdy Wyvern
15/07/2008 20:02:15 ‹greengrunt› Complete Warrior?? Mehhh... :-k
15/07/2008 20:02:16 ‹Charles Evans› :(
15/07/2008 20:02:16 ‹Urza› i liked the original 3.0 class books... the Complete books just annoyed me
15/07/2008 20:02:18 ‹Nameless› They were pretty good, I didn't like Divine so much.
15/07/2008 20:02:20 ‹Pygon› hi Wyvern
15/07/2008 20:02:23 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, if you don't have it already, I recommend Unearthed Arcana. It's full of variant awesomeness!
15/07/2008 20:02:25 ‹greengrunt› Hi Wyvern
15/07/2008 20:02:34 ‹Fray› MoI is fun too... Tome of Magic is cool...
15/07/2008 20:02:34 ‹Wyvern› Heyas!
15/07/2008 20:02:40 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Yeah. All four of those have some good stuff. The second batch that started coming out had way too much power creep or weird experimental stuff...
15/07/2008 20:02:41 ‹greengrunt› Oh.Hey Justin!:D
15/07/2008 20:02:49 ‹James Jacobs› Although Complete Scoundrel is pretty nifty.
15/07/2008 20:02:49 ‹Urza› i like the shadow magic in Tome of Magic
15/07/2008 20:02:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› So James . . . I was just looking over some of the Pathfinder/Gamemastery adventures, and I was wondering if there was going to be another "jam" project like Seven Swords of Sin?
15/07/2008 20:02:52 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya greengrunt
15/07/2008 20:02:53 ‹Urza› good stuff there
15/07/2008 20:03:03 ‹Pygon› I ended up with a Complete Mage by accident, but hey, it was free :)
15/07/2008 20:03:13 * Justin Sluder just got home and hasn't even changed out of his uniform yet
15/07/2008 20:03:26 ‹Pygon› thanks for the suggestions all.
15/07/2008 20:03:27 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Not anytime soon; the way Seven Swords got thrown together was pretty grisly behind the scenes.
15/07/2008 20:03:30 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, skill tricks rock!
15/07/2008 20:03:34 ‹jmberaldo› oddly enough, I got my #10 two weeks after it was released... and Im in a "3rd world country" ;)
15/07/2008 20:03:43 * Moth Working changes his/her nickname to Mothman
15/07/2008 20:03:45 * tensor joins Main
15/07/2008 20:03:52 ‹Justin Sluder› jmberaldo, Canada?
15/07/2008 20:03:55 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Not a big fan of 7 Swords??
15/07/2008 20:03:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› My players have been really interested in Skill tricks since they looked through Complete Scoundrel.
15/07/2008 20:03:58 ‹James Jacobs› Skill tricks are the bomb.
15/07/2008 20:03:58 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And congratulations on the German translatioin news, by the way. :D
15/07/2008 20:03:59 ‹Daigle› Howdy Mothy and tensor
15/07/2008 20:03:59 ‹jmberaldo› hehehe
15/07/2008 20:03:59 ‹Eyebite› Hey moth, didn't see you there
15/07/2008 20:04:06 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome tensor, pull up a chair
15/07/2008 20:04:11 ‹James Jacobs› Not a big fan of seven swords, no. Too wahoo for my tastes.
15/07/2008 20:04:13 ‹David› jj?
15/07/2008 20:04:14 ‹jmberaldo› Justin> no, the other way
15/07/2008 20:04:18 ‹James Jacobs› OH! WAIT.
15/07/2008 20:04:34 ‹Justin Sluder› jmberaldo, Texas?
15/07/2008 20:04:34 ‹James Jacobs› I crossed wires. I was thinking Book of Nine Swords, not Seven Swords of Sin.
15/07/2008 20:04:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
15/07/2008 20:04:41 ‹Wyvern› jmberaldo, Florida? :P
15/07/2008 20:04:41 ‹Mothman› Hey Daigle, Eyebite - yeah, just lurking, noticed that James had arrived
15/07/2008 20:04:44 ‹Urza› lol
15/07/2008 20:04:49 ‹Daigle› Justin - Hey!
15/07/2008 20:04:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› I kind of picked that up James . . . :lol:
15/07/2008 20:04:53 ‹Daigle› :)
15/07/2008 20:04:56 ‹Urza› someone get james another cup of coffee
15/07/2008 20:05:05 ‹Charles Evans› Tensor: Have now completed Phase 1 of solitaire testing Kingsport Horror- the Ancient Ones.
15/07/2008 20:05:05 ‹jmberaldo› Justin> Try across the Equator line ;)
15/07/2008 20:05:07 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Any chance that you'll do a Gazetteer on Kaer Maga??
15/07/2008 20:05:12 ‹Kevin T.› lol about to say. James doesn't like Seven Swords of Sin lol
15/07/2008 20:05:13 ‹Pygon› James - any Q1 teasers for us tonite?
15/07/2008 20:05:14 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, I was wondering if you'd catch that! :razz:
15/07/2008 20:05:16 ‹James Jacobs› Seven Swords is fine, it's just that wrangling so many different rooms from so many people and then blendering them together in one whole that makes sense wreaks havoc on storylines.
15/07/2008 20:05:22 ‹Daigle› :lol:
15/07/2008 20:05:24 ‹James Jacobs› COFFFFEEEEEEEEE
15/07/2008 20:05:31 ‹Justin Sluder› jmberaldo, uh.........chile?
15/07/2008 20:05:33 ‹Mothman› James, how you going? Recovered from your illness of last week (or was that two weeks ago)?
15/07/2008 20:05:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Will Hungry are the Dead feature undead from the whole staff like Seven Swords?
15/07/2008 20:05:44 ‹Charles Evans› Tensor: I can report that Atlach Nacha outsucks the other ancient ones by several clear dimensions of sheer nastiness when it comes to trying to defeat the spider.
15/07/2008 20:05:51 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:05:52 ‹David› .me typed when he wasnt connected... cool
15/07/2008 20:05:54 ‹Kevin T.› Hey James doesn't Paizo offer first 10 dollars of shipping for free for orders over 100 dollars of Paizo products?
15/07/2008 20:05:58 * Skeld joins Main
15/07/2008 20:05:59 * Justin Sluder is resisting the call of EVE to be here
15/07/2008 20:06:10 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome Skeld!
15/07/2008 20:06:12 ‹Pygon› Kevin - non-sub items
15/07/2008 20:06:30 ‹Kevin T.› Pygon - Game Mastery Modules?
15/07/2008 20:06:35 ‹popscythe› eve calls? I thought it was like drow poisoned dart in the neck
15/07/2008 20:06:42 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> There is indeed a chance we'll do a Kaer Maga book someday.
15/07/2008 20:06:44 ‹Pygon› Kevin - I assume so.
15/07/2008 20:06:47 ‹popscythe› dc 13 fort or lose it completely
15/07/2008 20:06:51 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Doin' good now!
15/07/2008 20:06:52 ‹greengrunt› Awesomeness!!
15/07/2008 20:06:53 ‹yoda8myhead› is Q1?
15/07/2008 20:06:57 * garmel joins Main
15/07/2008 20:07:04 ‹Urza› ever called me last night... she's a good time ;)
15/07/2008 20:07:05 ‹greengrunt› Hi Garmel
15/07/2008 20:07:09 ‹Daigle› Howdy garmel
15/07/2008 20:07:10 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I want Kaer Maga! when is someday?
15/07/2008 20:07:16 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Q1 announcements? Pleeeease?
15/07/2008 20:07:17 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Hungry are the Dead is written by Tim Hitchcock. There's no staff blowout type thing going on there.
15/07/2008 20:07:18 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome garmel!
15/07/2008 20:07:25 ‹Urza› i'd like more Kaer Maga too :)
15/07/2008 20:07:25 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, that'll be fun. :D
15/07/2008 20:07:25 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Can we expect to see Elaine Cunningham turn up at one of these chats, or any annoucnements made regarding her writing for Paizo any time soon?
15/07/2008 20:07:53 ‹James Jacobs› Kevin> I don't keep up on shipping stuff from paizo.com, alas, so my info is a blank stare there...
15/07/2008 20:08:03 ‹Mothman› James: good to hear. James, a History of Ashes related question - is the Havero something from Lovecraft, or merely "Lovecraftian" in feel?
15/07/2008 20:08:25 ‹garmel› hi everyone
15/07/2008 20:08:26 ‹yoda8myhead› Will Elaine's serial fiction be called Pathfinder's Joirnal, or will that name end when Eando's journey does?
15/07/2008 20:08:27 ‹James Jacobs› No Q1 teasers yet. I believe the solicitations go out next week, though.
15/07/2008 20:08:30 * Pygon concurs with the Q1 announcements request!
15/07/2008 20:08:37 ‹Pygon› :shakefist:
15/07/2008 20:08:39 ‹jmberaldo› James> Since Im in a writing hush and no one said no, Ive been writing Golarion stories... I posted a teaser on the board today. Is it ok if I post them over there (or should I post it somewhere else and just link it up on the board?)
15/07/2008 20:08:40 ‹Blazej› Man, this is a lot of questions/
15/07/2008 20:08:40 ‹Charles Evans› Good evening Garmel.
15/07/2008 20:08:41 ‹greengrunt› JJ> In the Gaz.. Age of Enthronement... year 37.. Just what the heck was the Goroth Lodge that was destroyed by Taldor's First Army of Exploration?
15/07/2008 20:08:42 ‹tensor› Q1 Q1 Q1
15/07/2008 20:08:43 ‹Kevin T.› lol thansk James. I'll call Cosmo, as I had the idea my shipping was to be free and i was charged so. Thanks anyhow
15/07/2008 20:08:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› So, we got an Egyptian style adventure, and a sequel . . . when do we see a "Viking" style adventure?
15/07/2008 20:09:04 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs deals in the creation of AWESOME! He cares not for the waste of paper known as money (as long as he has enough to pay his bills),
15/07/2008 20:09:09 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'm not sure Elaine knows about these chats or if she did if she has time to swing by. I'll see what I can do to ask her if she'd be interested though.
15/07/2008 20:09:24 ‹popscythe› how would you consider a salt trader based class in 2.5
15/07/2008 20:09:28 ‹Mothman› A viking style adventure would be awesome!
15/07/2008 20:09:39 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The havero is merely Lovecraft feel. Michael invented it.
15/07/2008 20:09:43 ‹jmberaldo› Linnorm kings ;)
15/07/2008 20:09:49 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: She occasionally posts if her name 8is mentioned wth certain aracane rituals on the Paizo boards... :lol:
15/07/2008 20:09:49 ‹tensor› vikings are Awesome! :)
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15/07/2008 20:10:03 ‹Charles Evans› She is very friendly and helpful.
15/07/2008 20:10:06 ‹popscythe› awesome
15/07/2008 20:10:08 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The name of the Pathfinder Journal isn't changing. We might start appending a subtitle to it once we start with Elaine's story arc though... not sure.
15/07/2008 20:10:10 ‹jmberaldo› I actually would love to see something from the land of the Mammoth lords
15/07/2008 20:10:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› (Hoping no one sees through my transparent attempt to jumpstart Pathfinder linnorn stats)
15/07/2008 20:10:21 ‹Russ› the havero reminds me of a much bigger cousin of a rather sillier monster in B3
15/07/2008 20:10:29 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> Post away on the boards them Golarion stories!
15/07/2008 20:10:34 ‹Mothman› James: Cool, I really like the Havero ... not so sure about the Red Reaver....
15/07/2008 20:10:39 ‹jmberaldo› while Numeria is a bit "eh" with me untill I find out more about metal men and stuff like that
15/07/2008 20:10:43 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Pizza Lilith
15/07/2008 20:10:59 ‹Blazej› Must. Have. More. Numeria.
15/07/2008 20:11:00 * Crimson Jester joins Main
15/07/2008 20:11:04 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> The Goroth Lodge is still a secret. (Either we don't know, I don't know, or we DO know and aren't ready to say more.)
15/07/2008 20:11:12 ‹Blazej› Must.
15/07/2008 20:11:12 ‹Charles Evans› Good eveniong Crimson Jester.
15/07/2008 20:11:13 ‹greengrunt› Hi CJ
15/07/2008 20:11:16 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome Crimson Jester!
15/07/2008 20:11:22 ‹greengrunt› Oh curses!
15/07/2008 20:11:24 ‹Blazej› Hello Crimson Jester.
15/07/2008 20:11:28 ‹Crimson Jester› Hya GreenGrunt
15/07/2008 20:11:30 ‹Daigle› Howdy Crimson Jester!
15/07/2008 20:11:34 ‹Crimson Jester› AFK
15/07/2008 20:11:40 ‹Mothman› Yeah, I'd like to see stuff set in Numeria too
15/07/2008 20:11:42 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We'll see a Viking adventure before the end of 2010 for SURE. MAYBE even by the end of 2009.
15/07/2008 20:11:44 ‹jmberaldo› James> Excellent! I need some venting (especially fantasy) since I spend my days working on Sci-fi ;)
15/07/2008 20:11:50 ‹Fray› AFK - tornado
15/07/2008 20:11:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Woo hoo!
15/07/2008 20:11:55 ‹Mothman› Hi Crimson
15/07/2008 20:11:55 ‹Pygon› sweet.
15/07/2008 20:11:58 ‹Russ› That reminds me - I need to post in Elaine Cunningham's thread that I, for one, am looking fr something of the Doctor Jones in her segment of the crhonicles
15/07/2008 20:12:02 ‹yoda8myhead› Any chance of getting the Eando Kline stuff compiled and put out as its own book?
15/07/2008 20:12:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› You know, every time I ask something like that, I get a good answer . . .
15/07/2008 20:12:08 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Any projects planned for the Isle of Terror?
15/07/2008 20:12:08 ‹Pygon› more sailing adventures in the Viking adventure?
15/07/2008 20:12:09 * Fray likes that one ofr 'AFK''s...
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15/07/2008 20:12:17 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The decapus?
15/07/2008 20:12:24 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: When are we going to see that interview between Erik & Christine Schneider (the RPG Superstar) which was promised a month or two back??
15/07/2008 20:12:24 ‹Daigle› Fray :lol:
15/07/2008 20:12:27 ‹Russ› Mothman - the Red Reaver was really pretty lame, especially the micro wings that supposeldly let it jump-fly
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15/07/2008 20:13:06 ‹greengrunt› Russ> If they'd named it Red Rover would you have felt better? :razz:
15/07/2008 20:13:07 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There's not a big chance of compiling the Eando stuff into a book.
15/07/2008 20:13:15 * Fray gives Daigle a Secret paizo KFC bento box special
15/07/2008 20:13:28 ‹Mothman› Russ, yeah, I don't mind it being a Grey Render cousin - it was the wings that got me too
15/07/2008 20:13:37 ‹Eyebite› James> Any chance of seeing a writeup/stats on Eando in the future?
15/07/2008 20:13:53 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> The Isle of Terror will have a BIG event some day. It's a pretty important location in the world's mythology. We don't have anything planned for it anytime soon, though.
15/07/2008 20:14:03 ‹yoda8myhead› I second Eyebite's request. The last page of his final story should have a statblock
15/07/2008 20:14:10 ‹Russ› Yeah, I think it was a decapus . Good times :)
15/07/2008 20:14:21 ‹popscythe› So you arn't seriously considering all the bad ideas on the forums are you?
15/07/2008 20:14:23 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> This is the first I've heard of an Erik & Christine interview. So: <shrug>
20:14:26 ‹popscythe› Just checking :0
15/07/2008 20:14:27 ‹jmberaldo› Shameless plug - teaser for a Pathfinder story on Osirion
15/07/2008 20:14:32 ‹jmberaldo› http://paizo.com/paizo/message...#643129
15/07/2008 20:14:36 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Yup. We put a decapus in Pathfinder already. He even got ART!
15/07/2008 20:14:43 ‹Urza› i'm with Yoda & Eyebite... stablock for Eando!
15/07/2008 20:14:59 ‹Blazej› ART!
15/07/2008 20:15:03 ‹Hill Giant› decapus? Is that that tree dwelling furry thing?
15/07/2008 20:15:05 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> We'll have a statblock for Eando in Pathfinder #18, I think.
15/07/2008 20:15:08 ‹Russ› did Eando retain his spellbook after his disaster? I think he did
15/07/2008 20:15:14 ‹Daigle› One of my players loved seeing the Isle of Terror when I showed him the big map. He's a total map nerd and has been building a homebrew for dozens of years and said that it seemed like a name he'd give a place.
15/07/2008 20:15:16 ‹David› cool
15/07/2008 20:15:18 ‹Eyebite› sweet!
15/07/2008 20:15:18 * Justin Sluder starts the chant
15/07/2008 20:15:21 ‹Justin Sluder› Eando Statblock!
15/07/2008 20:15:35 ‹Ross is full› Russ, he doesn't have a spellbook.
15/07/2008 20:15:36 ‹David› Justin Sluder, in 18!
15/07/2008 20:15:38 ‹Ross is full› He's a bard.
15/07/2008 20:15:41 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Eando doesn't have a spellbook.
15/07/2008 20:15:51 ‹Blazej› A dirty, dirty bard.
15/07/2008 20:15:52 ‹David› i vote bard rogue
15/07/2008 20:15:54 ‹popscythe› What if rage points were replaced by a hidden number the DM is only aware of.
15/07/2008 20:15:57 ‹Blazej› I've got nothing.
15/07/2008 20:15:58 ‹greengrunt› Yeah.. Daigle.. the place sounds totally badass... But would be fun to explore.. If you can make it there
15/07/2008 20:15:59 ‹James Jacobs› Unless we acidentally mentioned him having one early on when we were all spinning our wheels and confused.
15/07/2008 20:16:00 ‹yoda8myhead› and since we're on the subject, how is Eando pronounced? ee AN doh or EEN doh?
15/07/2008 20:16:06 * Justin Sluder is :sad: his chant flopped
15/07/2008 20:16:11 ‹Russ› doh. apparently I'm asleep :)
15/07/2008 20:16:24 ‹James Jacobs› ee AND oh
15/07/2008 20:16:34 ‹Blazej› I believe Eando had to get someone's spellbook at some point.
15/07/2008 20:16:36 ‹Russ› He sure doesn't use his bard abilities other than spells :P
15/07/2008 20:16:39 ‹Pygon› I dee and doh.
15/07/2008 20:16:48 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Have you worked out yet if Nick Logue is going to write th adventure about the island fish/zaratan with flying monkey canibal corairs in AP#4 yet???:D
15/07/2008 20:16:49 ‹jmberaldo› James> If you did mention a spellbook, just say he carries one as a lucky charm ;)
15/07/2008 20:17:13 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> He's usually alone so his bard abilities don't kick in much. Also... he's written by dozens of writers, not all of whom know the rules THAT well.
15/07/2008 20:17:14 ‹Russ› I suppose we're seeing a lot of bardic lore checks, under the hood
15/07/2008 20:17:16 ‹Ross is full› He has a journal.
15/07/2008 20:17:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, as many nasty fey have shown up, is there any division between like like the old standard Seelie and Unseelie division?
15/07/2008 20:17:23 ‹David› or he writes his journal in someone elses spellbook
15/07/2008 20:17:35 ‹Ross is full› Conceivably, if he had been a wizard, his spellbook and journal could be the same book.
15/07/2008 20:17:35 ‹James Jacobs› His Perform is oratory. Which is basically storytelling.
15/07/2008 20:17:51 ‹Daigle› Which he has used before
15/07/2008 20:18:08 ‹Charles Evans› corairs=corsairs
15/07/2008 20:18:10 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nick is not yet scheduled to write anything for #4. I fear he might be too busy these days to do much adventure writing...
15/07/2008 20:18:11 ‹jmberaldo› talking about flying monkeys, I saw that art somewhere... I dont know what its about, but I loved it! Is there a hag you kill by conjuring a water elemental too?
15/07/2008 20:18:11 ‹Ross is full› Daigle, when?
15/07/2008 20:18:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . the bard in my campaign choose oratory as well (though he can play a mean lute too).
15/07/2008 20:18:39 ‹yoda8myhead› he's used grease and open that I can think of of the top of my head, in terms of spells
15/07/2008 20:18:39 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: With his own Sinister adventures line and the Pathfinder jobs?
15/07/2008 20:18:48 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We don't have a "Seelie" and "Unseelie" division, per se, but I'm sure there's SOME sort of fey hierarchy in the First World.
15/07/2008 20:18:48 ‹Daigle› Ross, just a mention in one of the first few Journals. He mentions telling stories all night in a tavern.
15/07/2008 20:18:51 ‹greengrunt› JJ> What exactly were the Oath Wars?
15/07/2008 20:18:54 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> yeah
15/07/2008 20:19:13 ‹Daigle› Ross, I can't recall anything more specific at the time.
15/07/2008 20:19:13 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> The Oath Wars were invented by someone else and they haven't told me what they are.
15/07/2008 20:19:15 ‹yoda8myhead› So James, who's the awesome Drow wizard on the cover of PF 15?
15/07/2008 20:19:28 ‹Ross is full› yoda8myhead, grease, cure light, expeditious retreat (mentioned as available), feather fall
15/07/2008 20:19:30 ‹greengrunt› Damn those writers! :razz:
15/07/2008 20:19:30 ‹Charles Evans› jmberaldo: Wolfgang Baur's Crucible of Chaos featured flying apes.
15/07/2008 20:19:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› I need that adventure.
15/07/2008 20:19:50 ‹David› i liked them apes
15/07/2008 20:20:03 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: I believe Eando used feather fall whilst plummeting down a cliff with his guide...
15/07/2008 20:20:08 ‹greengrunt› That crashed flying city adventure.. ROCKED!
15/07/2008 20:20:10 ‹Mothman› James, that drow wizard(?) on the cover of PF15 is way cool. Anything you're ready to share about him? Is he the BBEG for that adventure?
15/07/2008 20:20:14 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The awesome drow wizard from PF 15 is the big bad guy for the adventure there. Jason's still writing said adventure... RIGHT THIS VERY INSTANT.
15/07/2008 20:20:21 ‹James Jacobs› I don't know his name off the top of my head yet.
15/07/2008 20:20:25 ‹greengrunt› :D
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15/07/2008 20:20:55 ‹yoda8myhead› was the staff added by the artist, or was it part of the request?
15/07/2008 20:20:55 ‹David› :whipit:
15/07/2008 20:21:12 ‹James Jacobs› His staff was part of the art order.
15/07/2008 20:21:15 ‹Mothman› Yoda: sorry, didnt see you'd arleady beaten me to my question!
15/07/2008 20:21:35 ‹yoda8myhead› no worries Moth
15/07/2008 20:22:34 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Has there been a figure released yet for the beta rules (dead tree version 1st edition print run?
15/07/2008 20:22:53 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, so, how long before you guys can buy D&D from WotC/Hasbro and make things right in the worlds?
15/07/2008 20:22:54 ‹David› a figure?
15/07/2008 20:23:03 ‹David› heh
15/07/2008 20:23:04 ‹Charles Evans› (Number of dead tree copies to be printed I mean)
15/07/2008 20:23:05 ‹jmberaldo› charles> that should be it. Isnt that the one people said was a lot lovecraftian?
15/07/2008 20:23:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› How many are going to be printed
15/07/2008 20:23:18 ‹greengrunt› Justin> Don't get my hope up :razz:
15/07/2008 20:23:26 ‹David› yes buy wotc and use incarnum!
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15/07/2008 20:23:31 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No figures released yet on how big the Beta print run will be, nope.
15/07/2008 20:23:43 ‹Charles Evans› jmberaldo: Several of them have had elements, but that one featured a golarion version of shoggoth.
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15/07/2008 20:24:11 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: It's being kept a screty to keep the competition off-balance???:)
15/07/2008 20:24:13 ‹Justin Sluder› Simple plan, buy D&D, hire the good people from WotC and make even more Pathfinder awesomeness!
15/07/2008 20:24:18 ‹David› Crucible of Chaos had the shoggoth
15/07/2008 20:24:22 ‹Justin Sluder› David, not WotC, just D&D
15/07/2008 20:24:40 ‹Pygon› James - how is Sean doing with the move and coming on board?
15/07/2008 20:24:43 ‹David› well they might want to keep the good people...
15/07/2008 20:24:51 ‹Charles Evans› screty=secret
15/07/2008 20:24:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, any new elementals coming up? I kind of like elementals composed of things we haven't seen before, like the taint elementals from Heroes of Horror. Anything like that lurking in future projects?
15/07/2008 20:24:58 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> I can't see that far into the future.
15/07/2008 20:25:03 ‹Russ› Justin - hire the good people? What, both of them? :)
15/07/2008 20:25:18 ‹David› heh
15/07/2008 20:25:23 ‹jmberaldo› (sorry for the lagness)
15/07/2008 20:25:28 ‹Justin Sluder› Russ, I'm sure there's more than two.
15/07/2008 20:25:28 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a big fan At All of incarnum... so there's not much of a hope of it showing up in Pathfinder no matter what, alas...
15/07/2008 20:25:33 ‹Justin Sluder› At least three.
15/07/2008 20:25:38 ‹David› awww
15/07/2008 20:25:42 ‹David› :(
15/07/2008 20:26:02 ‹greengrunt› (Never bought Incarnum.. phew!)
15/07/2008 20:26:05 ‹yoda8myhead› KnightErrantJR, I want to see an acid elemental
20:26:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ohh . . . good one
15/07/2008 20:26:18 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not necessarily a secret, but neither is it necessarilly soemthing that needs to be shouted from the top of the mountain. I'm not sure what the print run is off the top of my head anyway, so it's a moot point.
15/07/2008 20:26:22 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is there any hope ofa pathfinder boardgame being looked at by the Paizo designers
15/07/2008 20:26:24 ‹David› arent they all acidic?
15/07/2008 20:26:27 ‹Fray› hahah JJ ab/uses his mighty powers of Anti-MoI—ness....
15/07/2008 20:26:31 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, acid as in melt thing? or "whoa the colors" kind?
15/07/2008 20:26:41 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
15/07/2008 20:26:51 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, I'd trust Paizo for the flavor
15/07/2008 20:26:52 ‹jmberaldo› Mmmm.. James... any idea of the word count for a GM adventure? :P (sorry... brain developing insane ideas without my concent)
15/07/2008 20:26:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Psychotropic Elemental
15/07/2008 20:26:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Is there a pathfinder boardgame being looked at by the Paizo designers yet, to hook those people not reached bgy Lilith's cookies into the game???
15/07/2008 20:26:59 * Fray smells "whoa the colors" kind
15/07/2008 20:27:05 ‹Charles Evans› Sorry, double posted that one, sort of.
15/07/2008 20:27:06 ‹David› heh
15/07/2008 20:27:09 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Sean just left the building not 1 minute ago. He's off to unpack boxes from his car.
15/07/2008 20:27:16 * Fray listens to those colors
15/07/2008 20:27:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . maybe a "Color Out of Space" might work for that . . .
15/07/2008 20:27:33 ‹David› lsitening to colors is not good Fray...
15/07/2008 20:27:36 ‹James Jacobs› There'll be elementals showing up now and then. Not often, though. But there'll be a fair amount of elemental stuff, I predict, for AP4.
15/07/2008 20:27:41 ‹Pygon› you'll have to pull him into one of these chats so we can say hello :)
15/07/2008 20:27:47 ‹Charles Evans› DjinnS!
15/07/2008 20:27:52 * Fray smells what David is saying
15/07/2008 20:27:54 * Daigle nods.
15/07/2008 20:27:56 ‹yoda8myhead› Synethesia is awesome David
15/07/2008 20:28:06 ‹greengrunt› JJ>Do you have a futon set up at the office during crunch time? :razz:
15/07/2008 20:28:08 ‹Charles Evans› Djinni/djinn, sorry.
15/07/2008 20:28:09 * jmberaldo pictures all these years of CoC adventures applied to Golarion... goes mad, recovers (somewhat) and likes it ;)
15/07/2008 20:28:11 ‹Daigle› Fray, that tastes loud.
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15/07/2008 20:28:15 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> A Pathfinder boardgame is certainly possible.
15/07/2008 20:28:17 ‹Charles Evans› no 's' on the plural.
15/07/2008 20:28:34 ‹Charles Evans› Pathfinder boardgame :w00t:
15/07/2008 20:28:38 ‹Fray› Daigle Yes. It does...
15/07/2008 20:28:39 ‹Mothman› Pathfinder boardgame would be cool!
15/07/2008 20:28:40 ‹James Jacobs› jmberaldo> A Pathfinder module's wordcount is 19,000 words.
15/07/2008 20:28:51 * Ross is full quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:28:54 ‹Fray› a Pathfinder CCG would be better.... ;)
15/07/2008 20:28:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Now how about a Pathfinder animated movie? (I know, I'm reaching)
15/07/2008 20:29:02 ‹Justin Sluder› "Get together, roll some dice, rule Golarion."
15/07/2008 20:29:04 ‹Pygon› no, not collectible! Arrgh
15/07/2008 20:29:10 ‹Fray› hahaha
15/07/2008 20:29:15 ‹Wyvern› I'd go for a Pathfinder graphic novel.
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15/07/2008 20:29:23 ‹Charles Evans› Fray: The rules for CCGs deteriorate with progressive exapmsion releases.
15/07/2008 20:29:35 ‹greengrunt› (looking forward to Campaign Setting!!)
15/07/2008 20:29:36 ‹Justin Sluder› Wyvern, "The Secret Life of Seoni"?
15/07/2008 20:29:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wyvern, okay, I'll compromise for that one . . . :)
15/07/2008 20:29:39 ‹Hill Giant› Charles Evans, not unlike RPGs
15/07/2008 20:29:46 ‹Fray› Charles Evans> True, but that doesn't mean there has to be any expansions...
15/07/2008 20:29:55 ‹Charles Evans› Hill Giant:lol:
15/07/2008 20:30:02 ‹Fray› Hill Giant truedat
15/07/2008 20:30:17 ‹David› who will get the final PRPG pdf for free?
15/07/2008 20:30:27 ‹Charles Evans› Fray: you mean just one printing with just 50.000 different cards in an awesome set??
15/07/2008 20:30:37 ‹Daigle› Some people.
15/07/2008 20:30:42 ‹Charles Evans› 50,000
15/07/2008 20:30:51 ‹Fray› Gaedren's Revenge Expansion Flip Pack #3 for Pathfinder CCG coming June 2010
15/07/2008 20:30:57 ‹greengrunt› Seoni's breasts should have their own hypnotic powers.. I'd say a DC 25 Will save or be mesmerized for 1d8 rounds
15/07/2008 20:30:57 ‹Charles Evans› Sorry; tred tonight after trouncing an ancient one (barely)
15/07/2008 20:31:02 ‹Fray› Charles Evans> yeppers
15/07/2008 20:31:08 ‹greengrunt› oops.. sorry
15/07/2008 20:31:23 ‹jmberaldo› Thanks James
15/07/2008 20:31:31 * jmberaldo goes into planing evilness
15/07/2008 20:31:34 ‹Mothman› yep greengrunt, you said that out loud...
15/07/2008 20:31:57 ‹Russ› I'm surprised Sean s living so close to campus. He must like the city.
15/07/2008 20:31:58 ‹Charles Evans› Greengrunt: This is not Nick's wednesday night chat?
15/07/2008 20:32:03 ‹greengrunt› Sigh... I know Moth,, sometimes I am a very weak man :shock:
15/07/2008 20:32:03 ‹Fray› Goblin Fliping Pack of Madding Songs CD due May 2009
15/07/2008 20:32:14 ‹Charles Evans› :ohnoes:
15/07/2008 20:32:17 * Rambling Scribe joins Main
15/07/2008 20:32:28 ‹Daigle› Scribbles!
15/07/2008 20:32:28 ‹Pygon› hi Scribe
15/07/2008 20:32:31 ‹Pizza Lilith› The Shack is Back!
15/07/2008 20:32:32 ‹Eyebite› Hey Scribe
15/07/2008 20:32:32 ‹Charles Evans› Evening rambling Scribe.
15/07/2008 20:32:34 ‹greengrunt› HEY SCRIBE! :D
15/07/2008 20:32:38 * Pizza Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith
15/07/2008 20:32:41 ‹jmberaldo› well, now that Im SURE my parents link sucks, Ill go sleep, dream of insane stories and disapear into the mists of internetlessness for the next couple of weeks
15/07/2008 20:32:43 ‹David› is james posting?
15/07/2008 20:32:47 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi All!
15/07/2008 20:32:48 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome Ramgling Scribe!
15/07/2008 20:32:50 ‹Fray› 20 Great Goblin Christmas Songs coming this December!
15/07/2008 20:32:55 ‹Pygon› are questions pending?
15/07/2008 20:33:04 ‹David› who will get the final PRPG pdf for free?
15/07/2008 20:33:11 ‹Hill Giant› David, He's taking notes for future products
15/07/2008 20:33:17 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to Eyebite is eatin'
15/07/2008 20:33:17 ‹greengrunt› Hi Blazej!
15/07/2008 20:33:40 ‹yoda8myhead› James, I was reading through Guide to Korvosa and was thinking that the Shoanti wars would make a cool series of novels. Any chance that when the fiction starts to happen it'll be historical in nature, to fill in gaps in flavor of the world?
15/07/2008 20:33:49 ‹jmberaldo› Ill be back from vacations with more ideas and nonsense around the 26th
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15/07/2008 20:33:57 ‹Ross is full› .
15/07/2008 20:34:02 ‹Pygon› I don't know what else to ask, except do we get shoulder harnesses with the big box we'll receive in August.
15/07/2008 20:34:05 ‹Mothman› See you jm
15/07/2008 20:34:05 ‹Daigle› Have a fun vacation jmberaldo
15/07/2008 20:34:08 ‹jmberaldo› Good night, by everyone
15/07/2008 20:34:14 ‹greengrunt› RS> Toll the Hounds is getting a tad bit depressing... The humor on chat is helping lift me spirits
15/07/2008 20:34:15 ‹Justin Sluder› jmberaldo, see you then, we'll be here to welcome you back!
15/07/2008 20:34:15 ‹Pygon› bye jmb!
15/07/2008 20:34:15 ‹Lilith› jmberaldo, Laterz! :thug::cookie:
15/07/2008 20:34:16 ‹David› night
15/07/2008 20:34:21 ‹greengrunt› G'nite jmber
15/07/2008 20:34:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Okay, so we covered Vikings, any more dinosaur goodness coming our way, perhaps stating up some that have never had D&D stats, or that aren't OGL?
15/07/2008 20:34:40 ‹Blazej› Helllo, again.
15/07/2008 20:34:46 ‹Blazej› greengrunt, Hello.
15/07/2008 20:34:56 ‹Mothman› James, who would win in a fight between the Tarrasque and the Oliphant of Jandalay (sp)?
15/07/2008 20:34:58 ‹Blazej› Laagggg,,,, 20:35:00
15/07/2008 20:35:01 ‹Rambling Scribe› I missed vikings? :sad:
15/07/2008 20:35:06 ‹Blazej› It's better now.
15/07/2008 20:35:09 ‹greengrunt› I think the Oliphant
15/07/2008 20:35:18 ‹Daigle› Craig, it was just football talk.
15/07/2008 20:35:22 ‹Daigle› :P
15/07/2008 20:35:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Rambling Scribe, Viking style adventure by the end of 2010 likely . . .
15/07/2008 20:35:23 * Wolfshead quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:35:23 * Wolfshead quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:35:24 ‹greengrunt› RS> Not much was discussed on Vikings actually
15/07/2008 20:35:24 * quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:35:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Oh those vikings...
15/07/2008 20:35:42 * jmberaldo quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:36:22 * Charles Evans times back in...
15/07/2008 20:36:36 ‹Daigle› Not really, 'bout the football. I was bullshitting.
15/07/2008 20:36:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, not the ones that Farve might end up with . . . :pissed:
15/07/2008 20:37:00 ‹Pygon› Vikings lives in huts. hut. hut.
15/07/2008 20:37:04 ‹greengrunt› (Although greengrunt has always had a soft spot for a tarrasque) "God, the tarrasque would be a great pet.. But it would need it;s own continent as a backyard!
15/07/2008 20:37:06 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nice Daigle!
15/07/2008 20:37:13 ‹Daigle› Pygon :lol:
15/07/2008 20:37:16 ‹Mothman› What happened to James?
15/07/2008 20:37:21 ‹Pygon› not sure
15/07/2008 20:37:24 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any questions for us?
15/07/2008 20:37:25 ‹David› dont know...
15/07/2008 20:37:31 ‹Daigle› He got eaten by the lag monster...maybe.
15/07/2008 20:37:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Daigle, that's long lag
15/07/2008 20:37:56 ‹Blazej› It got me.
15/07/2008 20:37:59 ‹Mothman› Who would win in a fight between the lag monster and the post eating monster?
15/07/2008 20:38:00 ‹Justin Sluder› maybe Jason snapped and JJ has taken cover
15/07/2008 20:38:02 ‹Lilith› Or JJ got distracted by a coworker.
15/07/2008 20:38:04 ‹greengrunt› (greengrunt is afraid to ask another question on the Gaz)
15/07/2008 20:38:17 ‹yoda8myhead› he's getting the Q1 announcement from the vault to spoil us with [-o>
15/07/2008 20:38:18 ‹Pygon› maybe he ran out to drag Sean in here :)
15/07/2008 20:38:26 ‹Charles Evans› I think we had an Oliphant vs tarrasque question a month or two back, and the resuklt was the Oliphant would conclusively trample the tarrasque into a red smear.
15/07/2008 20:38:39 * CD working quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:38:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› Maybe the Hounds of Tindalos got him . . .
15/07/2008 20:38:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› I knew he shouldn't have been posting from a room with corners . . .
15/07/2008 20:38:59 ‹James Jacobs› brb
15/07/2008 20:39:00 ‹greengrunt› Either that or... Jessica Biel?
15/07/2008 20:39:02 ‹Zen› i r have level to do for makimng an own to noob people
15/07/2008 20:39:24 ‹David› what?
15/07/2008 20:39:34 ‹Zen› Wrong chat
15/07/2008 20:39:35 ‹Justin Sluder› Zen, :shock:
15/07/2008 20:39:44 ‹Justin Sluder› okay
15/07/2008 20:39:47 * Pygon waits patiently
15/07/2008 20:39:49 ‹greengrunt› All your base belongs to us??
15/07/2008 20:40:00 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, Someone set us up the bomb!
15/07/2008 20:40:00 ‹David› ...
15/07/2008 20:40:02 * Daigle blinks.
15/07/2008 20:40:18 ‹Pygon› What you say!
15/07/2008 20:40:20 ‹greengrunt› :shock:
15/07/2008 20:40:21 * Charles Evans wonders what is going on....
15/07/2008 20:40:23 ‹Mothman› Jessica Biel got him?
15/07/2008 20:40:34 ‹yoda8myhead› she can get me anytime
15/07/2008 20:40:35 ‹Blazej› Great for him.
15/07/2008 20:40:36 * Justin Sluder believes Pygon is the master of unlocking
15/07/2008 20:40:38 ‹greengrunt› Not a bad way to go Moth
15/07/2008 20:40:40 ‹David› not much Charles...not much
15/07/2008 20:40:42 ‹Pygon› 20:38:59 ‹James Jacobs› brb
15/07/2008 20:40:49 ‹yoda8myhead› I'll ignore the manshoulders
15/07/2008 20:40:52 ‹Russ› He's been bad actresed to death
15/07/2008 20:40:54 ‹Mothman› Not bad indeed
15/07/2008 20:41:02 ‹greengrunt› Aye Russ
20:41:07 ‹Mothman› manshoulders? Never noticed that...
15/07/2008 20:41:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› And the destruction of Blade Trinity . . . (which wasn't all her fault, to be fair)
15/07/2008 20:41:16 ‹greengrunt› But she is... well.. wow
15/07/2008 20:41:18 ‹Pygon› Justin - unlocking.. what?
15/07/2008 20:41:20 ‹yoda8myhead› she has very broad shoulders
15/07/2008 20:41:23 ‹Charles Evans› In what sense is this Jessica a bad actress? Does she have any kind of skills or assets?
15/07/2008 20:41:30 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› you're looking at her shoulders? hahhaaa
15/07/2008 20:41:38 ‹Mothman› She has assets
15/07/2008 20:41:40 ‹Russ› WEll, it's not like blade 2 was good either
15/07/2008 20:41:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Really?
15/07/2008 20:41:51 ‹greengrunt› Jessica Biel is basically.. gorgeous.. but not really that great of an actress
15/07/2008 20:42:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› I liked Blade 2 . . . ah well . . .
15/07/2008 20:42:10 ‹Charles Evans› Oh, she's not the one who was in Species, was she?
15/07/2008 20:42:12 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, it's another video game moment. I think one of the Resident Evils.
15/07/2008 20:42:17 ‹greengrunt› I liked Blade 2 as well
15/07/2008 20:42:18 ‹Russ› Aye, they stand her next to Alba to make Alba look like she has range
15/07/2008 20:42:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
15/07/2008 20:42:29 ‹greengrunt› :D
15/07/2008 20:42:39 ‹Lilith› Casting Call Time!
15/07/2008 20:42:51 ‹Lilith› Who would you pick to play the Runelord of Greed?
15/07/2008 20:42:56 ‹yoda8myhead› I call the couch!
15/07/2008 20:42:59 ‹Lilith› Queen Ileosa?
15/07/2008 20:43:03 ‹Russ› Hollywood law #2: Boobs and butt >> talent
15/07/2008 20:43:21 ‹Mothman› Species Charles? That's going back a ways...
15/07/2008 20:43:22 ‹Fray› greengrunt> JB is teh Hawt!
15/07/2008 20:43:25 ‹Pygon› Queen Ileosa, probably miss Jolie.
15/07/2008 20:43:28 ‹Russ› Runeload of Greed? Armand Asante.
15/07/2008 20:43:30 ‹Justin Sluder› Lilith, serious movie?
15/07/2008 20:43:31 ‹Pygon› mrs...
15/07/2008 20:43:34 ‹Lilith› Justin Sluder, yes
15/07/2008 20:43:36 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Do these have to be genuine actors/actresses, or can we get satirical?
15/07/2008 20:43:37 * Ross is full quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:43:38 ‹greengrunt› Hmmm... Runelord of Greed... That was the guy in ROTRL Lilith?
15/07/2008 20:43:38 ‹Lilith› Russ, ooh, good one.
15/07/2008 20:43:56 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, genuine...Don't you want Pathfinder to have good actors? ;)
15/07/2008 20:43:57 ‹Skeld› natasha henstridge (spelling?)
15/07/2008 20:43:58 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, yes
15/07/2008 20:44:12 ‹Lilith› Skeld, for Queen Ileosa?
15/07/2008 20:44:16 ‹Pygon› for Runelord of Greed I'd pick that guy that played the dad on the 70's show :P
15/07/2008 20:44:20 ‹greengrunt› Damn.. that guy from the Matrix.. the one who played the agent.. SHit.. what was his name!?
15/07/2008 20:44:24 ‹Skeld› no, the girl in species
15/07/2008 20:44:24 ‹Russ› Ileosa, I'd like Lena Olin, but I think she's too old
15/07/2008 20:44:29 ‹Russ› Kurtwood Smith.
15/07/2008 20:44:33 ‹Mothman› Runelord of Greed: Chow Yun Fatt
15/07/2008 20:44:33 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, Hugo Weaving
15/07/2008 20:44:34 ‹Charles Evans› Lilith: Hmm. Sean Connery (if he could be persuaded out of retirement) might make an interesting Karzoug.
15/07/2008 20:44:35 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, Hugo Weaving
15/07/2008 20:44:40 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Gary Oldman
15/07/2008 20:44:47 ‹Russ› And the agent was Hugo Weaving
15/07/2008 20:44:49 ‹greengrunt› He'd be a good Runelord of Greed! Yes- Hugo Weaving
15/07/2008 20:44:50 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, Hugo Weaving...has been overcast in fantasy roles. Somebody interesting! :D
15/07/2008 20:44:51 ‹yoda8myhead› Oldman would be tight
15/07/2008 20:44:54 ‹Charles Evans› I can see him being brutally bad-twempered on his minioons when they fail him.
15/07/2008 20:44:55 ‹Daigle› Dude! Eyebite! I'm with you!
15/07/2008 20:45:00 ‹greengrunt› Eyebite... Great choice!
15/07/2008 20:45:07 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm back!
15/07/2008 20:45:08 ‹Lilith› Gary Oldman would kick ass!
15/07/2008 20:45:10 ‹greengrunt› I'd go with Gary Oldman
15/07/2008 20:45:14 ‹yoda8myhead› or Willem Dafoe
15/07/2008 20:45:16 ‹James Jacobs› (runs back to catch up on questions...)
15/07/2008 20:45:17 ‹Daigle› What the f+#! has Oldman been doing lately?
15/07/2008 20:45:17 ‹Mothman› Hey James
15/07/2008 20:45:24 ‹Pygon› JAmes - we are casting for Runelord of Greed and Queen Ileosa :)
15/07/2008 20:45:25 ‹Charles Evans› Johnny Depp might make an interesting Valeros.... :)
15/07/2008 20:45:29 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› He's in the new Batman flick
15/07/2008 20:45:32 ‹Russ› For Blackjack, I'm thinking Carey Elwes :)
15/07/2008 20:45:33 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Commissioner Gordon
15/07/2008 20:45:34 ‹Fray› Runelord of Greed = Brad Dourif link: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm000...iaindex
15/07/2008 20:45:35 ‹greengrunt› Oldman is Commissioner Gordon in the new Batman series
15/07/2008 20:45:37 ‹Daigle› Oooh
15/07/2008 20:45:37 ‹Mothman› Daigle: I think Oldman was in the last Batman flick (not sure about the curent one)
15/07/2008 20:45:38 ‹Charles Evans› Or Maybe Jonny Depp as Aldern... Ah!
15/07/2008 20:45:41 ‹KnightErrantJR› Much better Gordon than Pat Hingle
15/07/2008 20:45:42 ‹Pygon› Oldman is Sirius Black!
15/07/2008 20:45:52 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> No futons here. We DO have a giant bean bag though... very comfy!
15/07/2008 20:45:55 ‹Mothman› Pygon: Him too!
15/07/2008 20:46:03 ‹Daigle› Gary Oldman plays such a wonderful psycho. He was glorious in Leon
15/07/2008 20:46:15 ‹yoda8myhead› repost: ames, I was reading through Guide to Korvosa and was thinking that the Shoanti wars would make a cool series of novels. Any chance that when the fiction starts to happen it'll be historical in nature, to fill in gaps in flavor of the world?
15/07/2008 20:46:19 ‹Lilith› Daigle, yeah he was! :D
15/07/2008 20:46:22 ‹greengrunt› JJ> You may need to req a futon :D
15/07/2008 20:46:25 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> A Pathfinder animated movie, or video game, or live-action movie is absolutely possible!
15/07/2008 20:46:26 ‹Fray› Oldman rocked in the Fith Element too
15/07/2008 20:46:35 ‹Charles Evans› Would Nicle Kidman make an interesting Ileosa?
15/07/2008 20:46:38 * Eyebite is eatin' quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:46:38 ‹Russ› Gary Oldman was great in Romeo is Bleeding.
15/07/2008 20:46:45 ‹Russ› Fray- heh. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED!
15/07/2008 20:46:45 ‹greengrunt› How about Guy Pierce?
15/07/2008 20:46:47 ‹Fray› Lilith see my suggestion...?
15/07/2008 20:46:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . excelent . . .
15/07/2008 20:46:55 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, Yes.
15/07/2008 20:47:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, no
15/07/2008 20:47:16 ‹Lilith› Fray, Dourif could be fascinatin' as well.
15/07/2008 20:47:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› Just don't let them "Dragonlance" it if its animated . . . :mad:
15/07/2008 20:47:36 ‹yoda8myhead› Cate Blanchet's got some range on her. She can play anyone, though she might be too old to be Ileosa
15/07/2008 20:47:40 ‹Russ› Damn, I thought my blackjack suggestion would get a rise out of y'all - that's the dread pirate roberts :)
15/07/2008 20:47:42 ‹Fray› I dont know who would be the Queen though
15/07/2008 20:47:45 ‹Charles Evans› I'm considering that Nicole has some range of parts which she has played, and not all of them have been nice.
15/07/2008 20:47:46 ‹greengrunt› I heard the latest Dragonlance was 100% pure shit
15/07/2008 20:47:51 ‹Lilith› Russ, Cary Elwes is a good actor.
15/07/2008 20:47:54 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Once fiction starts... hmmm. Actually, setting fiction in history is actually a GREAT idea. It helps to let us do big events, but doesn't mess up the world or what not for the gaming side of things. VERY interesting...
15/07/2008 20:48:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good point
15/07/2008 20:48:06 ‹Charles Evans› I think Nicole did a spell in London on stage, didn't she, in 'the blue room'?
15/07/2008 20:48:09 ‹Pygon› green - not quite. there were undigested pieces too.
15/07/2008 20:48:19 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, Nicole would be good as the Queen. Right amount of charm and danger
15/07/2008 20:48:20 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
15/07/2008 20:48:22 ‹yoda8myhead› yoda8myhead FTW!
15/07/2008 20:48:23 ‹Russ› She's a bad actress, but I'd probably go with Famke for the queen
15/07/2008 20:48:33 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There is indeed some dino goodness on the way... Journey to the Center of the Earth style. New stats are possible.
15/07/2008 20:48:39 ‹Mothman› Nice suggestion Yoda
15/07/2008 20:48:39 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, I met ehr once
15/07/2008 20:48:42 ‹yoda8myhead› she was a b*%$@
15/07/2008 20:48:46 ‹Pygon› good facial match, Russ
15/07/2008 20:48:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :raptor:
15/07/2008 20:48:48 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The Oliphaunt would win against the Tarrasque, I suspect.
15/07/2008 20:48:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Whoo hoo . . . you are just full of cool news tonight James . . . thanks!
15/07/2008 20:49:01 ‹greengrunt› Yoda> you met who once??
15/07/2008 20:49:05 ‹Skeld› good night all ...
15/07/2008 20:49:10 ‹yoda8myhead› Famke Jansen
15/07/2008 20:49:13 ‹Lilith› Night Skeld! :thug:
15/07/2008 20:49:13 ‹greengrunt› Nite Skeld
15/07/2008 20:49:14 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Skeld
15/07/2008 20:49:15 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› The chick that played Vesper Lynd in the recent Casino Royale/James bond flick - with dyed red hair - would make an awesome Ileosa
15/07/2008 20:49:23 ‹Russ› I wanna see Journey 3D. Even though I know it will suck.
20:49:27 ‹Justin Sluder› night Skeld
15/07/2008 20:49:36 ‹greengrunt› Hellboy 2.. sigh
15/07/2008 20:49:37 * Skeld quit
15/07/2008 20:49:38 ‹yoda8myhead› Eyebite, Eva Green would be good, that's true
15/07/2008 20:49:43 ‹Daigle› Bye Skeld!
15/07/2008 20:49:47 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Yeah, that's her
15/07/2008 20:49:59 ‹greengrunt› I need to get a break from work..
15/07/2008 20:50:02 ‹James Jacobs› Kate Beckinsale (just got to the who's hot part of the backlog)
15/07/2008 20:50:03 ‹Fray› greengrunt>HB 2 was great!
15/07/2008 20:50:04 ‹yoda8myhead› eyebite, did you see The Dreamers?
15/07/2008 20:50:18 ‹Pygon› for the Queen? hmm.
15/07/2008 20:50:22 ‹Justin Sluder› oh I know who'd be great!! Kirsten Dunst!!!
15/07/2008 20:50:24 * Justin Sluder hides
15/07/2008 20:50:28 ‹Charles Evans› Ileosa is more than just a 'chick'; she is deceitful, duplicitous, capable of carrying through warped plans whilst hiding (until like Saruman, she is 'out in the open') what she is upto.
15/07/2008 20:50:29 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› I did
15/07/2008 20:50:31 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Monica Belucci? ;)
15/07/2008 20:50:40 ‹Fray› Justin Sluder> um... nope...
15/07/2008 20:50:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, :slap::fishslap::slap::wizzap:
15/07/2008 20:50:41 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Is the gorilla king ... a smaller and more intelligent version of King Kong??
15/07/2008 20:50:45 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› CE - yeah, Eva has range. She'd be good
15/07/2008 20:50:51 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> Chow Yun Fat should be Karzoug. Watch "Curse of the Golden Flower" for proof.
15/07/2008 20:50:52 ‹Russ› Kirsten Dunst is DEATH to a movie. CANNOT act, zero range.
15/07/2008 20:51:03 ‹greengrunt› Moncia Belucci!? (Greengrunt is now extremely distracted)
15/07/2008 20:51:03 * Fray sets a ninja to hunting Justin Sluder :ninja*:
15/07/2008 20:51:13 ‹Mothman› WAsn't there a rumour (likely false) that Kate Beckinsale played D&D?
15/07/2008 20:51:25 ‹Justin Sluder› um, I was joking people
15/07/2008 20:51:28 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, LOVE Chow Yun Fat. "Replacement Killers" and "The Corruptor" are among my favorite by him.
15/07/2008 20:51:34 ‹Justin Sluder› call of the gninja please
15/07/2008 20:51:35 ‹Fray› Justin Sluder> we know
15/07/2008 20:51:35 ‹yoda8myhead› Mothman, if so I am totally in love with her now more than ever
15/07/2008 20:51:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, I think suggesting Kirsten Dunst may have accidentally crossed over into using dark speech, because it crashed my connection for a moment.
15/07/2008 20:51:37 ‹Mothman› Charles: So ... she's a chick then?
15/07/2008 20:51:49 ‹greengrunt› I heard Kate Beckinsale b+*$$ slapped a D&D player
15/07/2008 20:51:53 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Oddly enough, Kirsten Dunst was better when she was younger - interview with a vampire - she was good. As she's gotten older though....not so good
15/07/2008 20:52:00 ‹James Jacobs› Rachel Weisz as Ileosa!!
15/07/2008 20:52:02 ‹Charles Evans› Mothman: Hmmm. We seem to be speaking different languages here.
15/07/2008 20:52:11 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good, bad, she's just not Mary Jane.
15/07/2008 20:52:12 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Nice one! :D
15/07/2008 20:52:17 ‹yoda8myhead› I love Rachel Weiss
15/07/2008 20:52:24 ‹yoda8myhead› and her husband could direct?
15/07/2008 20:52:27 ‹Fray› I can see Rachel Weisz... good thought
15/07/2008 20:52:31 ‹Russ› I cannot think of an actress who could do a worse Mare Jane, though I figure some of that is on the director hopelessly misunderstanding the character.
15/07/2008 20:52:32 ‹Mothman› Hey, I picked Chow Yun Fat as Karzoug!
15/07/2008 20:52:35 ‹greengrunt› Rachel Weisz is a nice-ah nice-ah
15/07/2008 20:52:47 ‹Charles Evans› Who is rachel weisz? What parts has she played?
15/07/2008 20:52:51 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> THAT WOULD ROCK!
15/07/2008 20:52:53 ‹Justin Sluder› KnightErrantJR, to skinny and can't act anymore for some reason
15/07/2008 20:52:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› One of the many reasons I'm not going to worry about seeing the new Mummy movie . . . lack of Rachel.
15/07/2008 20:53:02 ‹Russ› CE - the firs two mummy movies
15/07/2008 20:53:03 ‹Pygon› Charles - The Mummy?
15/07/2008 20:53:08 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, She played the librarian iin the Mummy
15/07/2008 20:53:11 ‹James Jacobs› Rachel was in "The Mummy" and "The Fountain"
15/07/2008 20:53:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Who would direct it? I vote for someone unique like Terry Gilliam or David Cronenberg
15/07/2008 20:53:15 ‹Charles Evans› Her as Ileosa????
15/07/2008 20:53:16 ‹Crimson Jester› So Daigle did ya get my email?
15/07/2008 20:53:18 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
15/07/2008 20:53:21 ‹popscythe› So, I used several class alternates in my last weeks game
15/07/2008 20:53:24 ‹greengrunt› Rachel also played in Runaway Jury
15/07/2008 20:53:25 ‹Daigle› Cj, I did!
15/07/2008 20:53:31 ‹greengrunt› er.. acted in
15/07/2008 20:53:46 ‹Daigle› Thanks for sending that along. I am familiar with the book you mentioned, but have never seen a copy.
15/07/2008 20:53:47 ‹Crimson Jester› Didya Like that?
15/07/2008 20:53:48 ‹Charles Evans› She seemed a lot to down to earth & practical (based on what I recall of the mummy) to be Ileosa.
15/07/2008 20:53:55 ‹popscythe› Ranger is a boring fighter and barbarian is an opposite monk
15/07/2008 20:53:55 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, she won an Oscar for Constant Gardener and was amazing in The Fountain
15/07/2008 20:53:59 ‹Mothman› KEJR: Yeah, new Mummy looks .... interesting, but no Rachel is sad
15/07/2008 20:54:04 ‹James Jacobs› Also in The Constant Gardener... yeah
15/07/2008 20:54:04 ‹Crimson Jester› well now you knwo where to order it D.
15/07/2008 20:54:05 ‹Charles Evans› But se may have a range of character acting abilities.
15/07/2008 20:54:06 ‹Daigle› I don't think I'm related to the reverend, however. ;)
15/07/2008 20:54:09 ‹David› which group gets the final PFRPG pdf for free?
15/07/2008 20:54:13 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, role man, role. :)
15/07/2008 20:54:20 ‹greengrunt› (Greengrunt will blame Lilith if he has any strange dreams of Monica Belucci tonight)
15/07/2008 20:54:22 ‹James Jacobs› She's a great actress. And also married to a great director.
15/07/2008 20:54:43 ‹James Jacobs› Angelina Jolie would do good in the role too.
15/07/2008 20:54:46 ‹greengrunt› The Fountain was ok...
15/07/2008 20:54:53 ‹Crimson Jester› James Jacobs any chance on the preview for the Traits?
15/07/2008 20:54:54 ‹Pygon› :dance2:
15/07/2008 20:54:55 ‹Charles Evans› Constant Garndener... Heard thwe radio play, and didn't want to see the film, in case it ruined my memories of the story.
15/07/2008 20:54:58 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, Let me help. "Monica Belucci in a black vinyl corset"
15/07/2008 20:55:02 ‹Russ› Ugh. I'm sick to death of Jolie.
15/07/2008 20:55:08 ‹Daigle› Crimson, truly, thanks for thinking of me. It was a pleasant surprise.
15/07/2008 20:55:10 ‹Crimson Jester› Jolie is so over rated
15/07/2008 20:55:18 ‹greengrunt› Thanks Lilith! ](*,)
15/07/2008 20:55:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> That would have to be one hellofa radio play, since the movie was REALLY good.
15/07/2008 20:55:22 ‹David› ooh a traits preview!
15/07/2008 20:55:24 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah, enough with movie pipe dreams. Let's get to the Golarion spoilies!
15/07/2008 20:55:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Reflexive twitch because Angelina should never have been Fox in Wanted . . .
15/07/2008 20:55:26 ‹Justin Sluder› I think this woman could be a wonderful Merisiel: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0230693/
15/07/2008 20:55:38 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Alright - cast the iconics people
15/07/2008 20:55:52 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Any QUESTIONS FOR US?
15/07/2008 20:55:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Then again, Wanted wasn't Wanted, so I guess it doesn't matter that much . . .
15/07/2008 20:56:00 ‹James Jacobs› No questions yet.
15/07/2008 20:56:03 ‹Lilith› Valeros? Hmm...Michael Biehn. :P
15/07/2008 20:56:16 ‹James Jacobs› Valeros = Val Kilmer
15/07/2008 20:56:20 ‹greengrunt› I can't.. I have too many visions of an Italian brunette in tight clothing
15/07/2008 20:56:21 ‹Pygon› Antonio Benderas! .. hrmm.
15/07/2008 20:56:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Madmartigan
15/07/2008 20:56:26 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Seelah - Tandy Newton?
15/07/2008 20:56:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› heh
15/07/2008 20:56:27 ‹James Jacobs› Yup
15/07/2008 20:56:33 ‹James Jacobs› That's who the character's based on.
15/07/2008 20:56:36 ‹yoda8myhead› Ezren is total Connery
15/07/2008 20:56:39 ‹Charles Evans› You have to have Arnie as Ezren, just for the humour of seeing him play a thinking role.... :D
15/07/2008 20:56:48 ‹Russ› I was gonna say, he looks like Val Kilmer :)
15/07/2008 20:56:49 ‹Crimson Jester› Kilmer has not done a good role since Willow
15/07/2008 20:56:52 ‹Pygon› Kyra - Winona Ryder :P
15/07/2008 20:56:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› I totally pictured him with Madmartigan's fighting style when I saw the armor and weapons.
15/07/2008 20:57:03 ‹Charles Evans› Hmm. I don't know if connery would be too cycnical or not.#
15/07/2008 20:57:05 ‹greengrunt› Damn.. no .. the guy who played King Leonidas in the 300
15/07/2008 20:57:11 ‹James Jacobs› Seelah = Angela Bassett
15/07/2008 20:57:12 ‹Mothman› Valeros is based on Madmartigan? Cool
15/07/2008 20:57:13 ‹Russ› Kilmer did a good role, ever?
15/07/2008 20:57:16 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, NICE! :D
15/07/2008 20:57:17 ‹greengrunt› What was his name
15/07/2008 20:57:20 * Russ bites the air.
15/07/2008 20:57:20 ‹yoda8myhead› No Winona would be Amiri if she was anyone
15/07/2008 20:57:31 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> Kilmer was cool in Heat. And in Spartan.
15/07/2008 20:57:32 ‹Wyvern› Fox's Wanted was actually Halle Berry.
15/07/2008 20:57:36 ‹greengrunt› Angela Bassett.. aye.. she
15/07/2008 20:57:36 * Charles Evans has to go for now....]#
15/07/2008 20:57:41 ‹greengrunt› awesome
15/07/2008 20:57:41 ‹Crimson Jester› Gerard Butler
15/07/2008 20:57:47 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, I liked him in the remake of The Saint.
15/07/2008 20:57:48 ‹greengrunt› Aye CJ!
15/07/2008 20:57:49 ‹Russ› I just think of Kilmer as fun, rather than good :)
15/07/2008 20:57:55 ‹Justin Sluder› cya Charles
15/07/2008 20:57:59 ‹Daigle› Heat was a fantastic film.
15/07/2008 20:57:59 ‹Crimson Jester› Have not seen either James
15/07/2008 20:58:00 ‹James Jacobs› Keira Knightly as Merisiel, maybe...
15/07/2008 20:58:06 ‹paul› tombstone
15/07/2008 20:58:11 ‹Daigle› One of the best 'bank jobs' I've ever seen.
15/07/2008 20:58:13 ‹David› bye Charles!
15/07/2008 20:58:14 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, she's skinny enough.
15/07/2008 20:58:14 ‹yoda8myhead› or Natalie Portman...they're identically gorgeous
15/07/2008 20:58:15 ‹Crimson Jester› Keira Knightly would be good
15/07/2008 20:58:16 ‹James Jacobs› Cillian Murphy as Seltyiel.
15/07/2008 20:58:18 * molrak quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:58:18 * molrak quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:58:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I always liked Real Genius, but those are fond memories of my youth.
15/07/2008 20:58:19 ‹Pygon› might as well cast Pamela as Seoni.
15/07/2008 20:58:27 ‹James Jacobs› Nah
15/07/2008 20:58:29 ‹Justin Sluder› I vote Lexa Doig for Merisiel.
15/07/2008 20:58:31 ‹Mothman› No!
15/07/2008 20:58:32 ‹paul› Kiss kiss
15/07/2008 20:58:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› James Jacobs, nice, creepy enough for it.
15/07/2008 20:58:43 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 20:58:43 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, :fishslap: no!
15/07/2008 20:58:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, oh, nice call for Seltyiel.
15/07/2008 20:58:44 ‹greengrunt› Crap.. what about the guy who played Jane in Firefly.. Could he be a good Valeros??
15/07/2008 20:58:54 ‹yoda8myhead› Warwick Davis for Lem?
15/07/2008 20:58:56 ‹Crimson Jester› the scarecrow?
15/07/2008 20:58:58 * Mothman changes his/her nickname to Moth AFC
15/07/2008 20:58:59 ‹James Jacobs› Nope
15/07/2008 20:59:00 ‹yoda8myhead› or Peter Dinklage
15/07/2008 20:59:03 ‹James Jacobs› Lem = Brad Pitt
15/07/2008 20:59:04 ‹Eyebite is eatin'› Paul Bettany as Seltyiel
15/07/2008 20:59:09 ‹Crimson Jester› Jane Jane a man called Jane
15/07/2008 20:59:14 * Eyebite is eatin' changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
15/07/2008 20:59:30 ‹Crimson Jester› adam Baldwin
15/07/2008 20:59:37 ‹yoda8myhead› What about Sajan?
15/07/2008 20:59:44 ‹greengrunt› Brad Pitt was great in The Snitch.. Or was it Snatch? <oops>
15/07/2008 20:59:44 ‹James Jacobs› Sajan... hmmm...
15/07/2008 20:59:52 ‹yoda8myhead› a shaven Sayid from Lost?
15/07/2008 20:59:53 ‹James Jacobs› Snatch
15/07/2008 20:59:55 ‹Rambling Scribe› It's now midnight. Happy Birthday to me!
15/07/2008 20:59:55 ‹Urza› Lexa would make a better Kyra don't you think?
15/07/2008 21:00:03 ‹James Jacobs› Dyalike deggs?
15/07/2008 21:00:05 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Gah! I just had a Sajan picked out...!
15/07/2008 21:00:07 ‹Pygon› happy birthday Scribe!
15/07/2008 21:00:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› I can't believe I'm answering this seriously, but Seoni's . . . figure is impressive, but not fake and overdone, at least in the picutre that snagged me, the original . . .
15/07/2008 21:00:08 ‹Daigle› Happy Birthday Craig!!!
15/07/2008 21:00:12 ‹greengrunt› Happy 20th RS!
15/07/2008 21:00:19 ‹Eyebite› Djimon Honsou or however you spell it for Sajan
15/07/2008 21:00:26 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, YAY! Happy Birthday!
15/07/2008 21:00:33 ‹James Jacobs› The original Seoni isn't nearly as chesty as most of the artists tend to make her.
15/07/2008 21:00:38 ‹Justin Sluder› Eyebite, agreed, I was trying to find his name!
15/07/2008 21:00:40 ‹yoda8myhead› Sajan's from Vudra, not Garund
15/07/2008 21:00:44 ‹Pygon› I remember an old WAR sketch of her
15/07/2008 21:00:49 ‹Eyebite› Happy birthday Scribe
15/07/2008 21:00:56 ‹greengrunt› Chesty? As in Chesty Mcfuller??
15/07/2008 21:00:58 ‹Justin Sluder› Rambling Scribe, happy brithday have some :cookie::cookie::cookie:
15/07/2008 21:01:01 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Nice choice. Sajan's actually Vudran, though... so it'd be cool to get an Indian actor to play him.
15/07/2008 21:01:05 ‹Crimson Jester› Naveen Andrews = Sajan
15/07/2008 21:01:11 ‹James Jacobs› YES
15/07/2008 21:01:16 ‹James Jacobs› That's pretty good
15/07/2008 21:01:20 ‹Crimson Jester› Happy
15/07/2008 21:01:23 ‹Crimson Jester› Birthday
15/07/2008 21:01:24 ‹yoda8myhead› Crimson Jester, that's who I was thining of. Couldn't remember his real name
15/07/2008 21:01:27 ‹Rambling Scribe› Thanks everyone!
15/07/2008 21:01:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like breasts as much as the next guy, but I'm seriously tired of cut and paste identical fake breats
15/07/2008 21:01:37 ‹Crimson Jester› IMDB it works wonders
15/07/2008 21:01:47 ‹yoda8myhead› Karl Urban would bea good (younger) Ezren
15/07/2008 21:01:50 ‹Russ› Knight - depends on the picture. She's got implants in a lot of them.
15/07/2008 21:02:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› Now that I've gotten that off my chest . . . :twisted:
15/07/2008 21:02:04 ‹James Jacobs› Ezren = Paul Giamatti
15/07/2008 21:02:11 ‹yoda8myhead› no!!!
15/07/2008 21:02:11 ‹Crimson Jester› ohh
15/07/2008 21:02:15 ‹Crimson Jester› I coudl see that
15/07/2008 21:02:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, but the original picture of Seoni is th best.
15/07/2008 21:02:24 ‹yoda8myhead› no way
15/07/2008 21:02:25 ‹Crimson Jester› id stab my eyes out
15/07/2008 21:02:25 ‹James Jacobs› Harsk = Ron Perlman
15/07/2008 21:02:28 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Cool!
15/07/2008 21:02:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh.
15/07/2008 21:02:33 ‹yoda8myhead› ha!
15/07/2008 21:02:35 ‹Russ› Heh. Adam Baldwin - no relation.
15/07/2008 21:02:38 ‹Hill Giant› I have a hard time seeing Paul giamatti as a wizard
15/07/2008 21:02:46 ‹Crimson Jester› Oh I could
15/07/2008 21:02:53 ‹yoda8myhead› not I
15/07/2008 21:02:56 ‹Crimson Jester› and I need acid to wash out the thought
15/07/2008 21:03:03 ‹Hill Giant› He tends to play schmucks
15/07/2008 21:03:12 ‹Lilith› Amiri?
15/07/2008 21:03:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› It would be fun to see him try . . . he has a certain charisma that might be fun to see in the role.
15/07/2008 21:03:15 ‹James Jacobs› A beefed up Kate Beckinsale = Amiri
15/07/2008 21:03:16 ‹yoda8myhead› what about Amiri?
15/07/2008 21:03:18 * Daigle has needed to google so many actors so far tonight.
15/07/2008 21:03:21 * Charles Evans joins Main
15/07/2008 21:03:21 ‹Crimson Jester› Read the bio Ezrin is a smuck
15/07/2008 21:03:25 ‹Eyebite› Giamatti was good in the Illusionist
15/07/2008 21:03:29 ‹greengrunt› Rosie O'Donell as a Rune Giant!? Whaddya think?
15/07/2008 21:03:29 ‹Pygon› was this the original Seoni sketch? Pathfinder2_Sorceress01_200.jpg
15/07/2008 21:03:33 ‹Lilith› Daigle: IMDB.com - your friend. :P
15/07/2008 21:03:34 ‹Pygon› oops
15/07/2008 21:03:38 ‹Daigle› Yep
15/07/2008 21:03:38 ‹Russ› I don't. Giamatti could do a brilliant Schmendrick (the Last Unicorn)
15/07/2008 21:03:49 ‹Pygon› this one http://paizo.com/image/product...200.jpg
15/07/2008 21:03:52 ‹Lilith› Russ, Dude! Nice call! :D
15/07/2008 21:04:01 * Charles Evans returns having dealt with some early morning errands.
15/07/2008 21:04:09 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; that was Wayne's first try at Seoni.
15/07/2008 21:04:15 ‹yoda8myhead› but Kate Beckinsale is Ileosa
15/07/2008 21:04:18 ‹Crimson Jester› very good
15/07/2008 21:04:25 ‹Fray› OOOO! "James Jacobs› Seelah = Angela Bassett" AB is hawt!
15/07/2008 21:04:32 ‹James Jacobs› Oh yeah. Kate should be Amiri. We need a new Ileosa.
15/07/2008 21:04:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, for the record, Seoni's tattoos are a right pain to draw.
15/07/2008 21:04:50 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> That's why they end up getting left off all the time by artists...
15/07/2008 21:04:51 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I like Charles Evans' suggestion of Nicole Kidman for Ileosa.
15/07/2008 21:04:52 ‹yoda8myhead› Cate Blanchett
15/07/2008 21:04:57 ‹Pygon› back to mrs. Weisz
15/07/2008 21:05:03 ‹yoda8myhead› I veto Nicole Kidman
15/07/2008 21:05:04 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, have you seen Lilith's new work?
15/07/2008 21:05:06 ‹Lilith› Or Weisz.
15/07/2008 21:05:14 ‹yoda8myhead› Weisz is good
15/07/2008 21:05:16 ‹David› hmm now ill have to look at all the art
15/07/2008 21:05:30 ‹James Jacobs› OH! NO! Ileosa = Naomi Watts
15/07/2008 21:05:35 ‹yoda8myhead› yeah
15/07/2008 21:05:45 ‹James Jacobs› Lini = Milla Jojovich
15/07/2008 21:05:52 * yoda8myhead needs to write this down for some photoshop fun
15/07/2008 21:05:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
15/07/2008 21:05:59 ‹Crimson Jester› I have my Pathfinder 11 today...... when shoudl we expect 12?
15/07/2008 21:06:03 ‹Russ› I need to reread Beagle's A Fine and Private Place now.
15/07/2008 21:06:13 ‹James Jacobs› 12 should be coming in (and thus shipping out) in a few weeks.
15/07/2008 21:06:16 ‹Pygon› CJ - early August according to the product schedule
15/07/2008 21:06:16 ‹Russ› There's a story to read if you want ideas for RPG ghosts
21:06:24 ‹Daigle› Did I miss any Merisiel suggestions?
15/07/2008 21:06:27 ‹Crimson Jester› :)
15/07/2008 21:06:35 ‹James Jacobs› Keira Knightly = Merisiel
15/07/2008 21:06:38 ‹Pygon› http://paizo.com/paizo/about/schedule
15/07/2008 21:06:39 ‹Daigle› Ah
15/07/2008 21:06:40 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Natalie Portman or Keira Knightly
15/07/2008 21:06:42 ‹Eyebite› I almost see Lini played by a child actress
15/07/2008 21:06:48 ‹James Jacobs› Skinny & big eyes & can swordfight
15/07/2008 21:06:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› I always wished that Angela Basset had played Storm
15/07/2008 21:06:58 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> that... would have rocked.
15/07/2008 21:07:10 ‹Daigle› I see Mila as a good fit for Merisiel
15/07/2008 21:07:11 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> nah; kids grow up too fast.
15/07/2008 21:07:13 ‹Crimson Jester› Jayne Heitmeyer = Mersiel
15/07/2008 21:07:14 ‹Pygon› both 12 and 13 are due early August. woo!
15/07/2008 21:07:17 ‹Daigle› But Lini is a good choice for her too
15/07/2008 21:07:33 ‹Eyebite› James> Nah, just give 'em some cigarettes :)
15/07/2008 21:07:43 ‹David› heh
15/07/2008 21:07:52 ‹Crimson Jester› Thanks Pygon
15/07/2008 21:07:56 ‹yoda8myhead› welp, that was fun
15/07/2008 21:08:02 ‹yoda8myhead› so now what?
15/07/2008 21:08:03 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:08:32 ‹greengrunt› Gorilla King= Kong's smaller, smarter cousin??
15/07/2008 21:08:35 ‹James Jacobs› ummm
15/07/2008 21:08:40 ‹David› i vote...spoilers!
15/07/2008 21:08:46 ‹Crimson Jester› LOL
15/07/2008 21:08:47 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, whatchoo workin' on? :D
15/07/2008 21:08:50 * Daigle agrees.
15/07/2008 21:08:56 ‹James Jacobs› Gorilla King = a hairy version of Ghengis Khan
15/07/2008 21:09:04 ‹Daigle› Oooh
15/07/2008 21:09:06 ‹greengrunt› EEwwwwww
15/07/2008 21:09:09 ‹James Jacobs› Right now? Stats for a drow druid for "Children of the Void."
15/07/2008 21:09:09 ‹David› he
15/07/2008 21:09:14 ‹yoda8myhead› Khaaaaaaaaan!
15/07/2008 21:09:14 ‹Russ› Might Joe Young?
15/07/2008 21:09:14 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: are figures of those registered with Paizo steadily going up still, as I seem to be seeing new posters on the boards every day...
15/07/2008 21:09:16 ‹Eyebite› oooh, that's even cooler
15/07/2008 21:09:20 * garydee joins Main
15/07/2008 21:09:22 ‹greengrunt› Daigle> Tranibal!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
15/07/2008 21:09:28 ‹Crimson Jester› is the Gorilla King an Awakened Ape and if so who or what awakened him?
15/07/2008 21:09:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy garydee
15/07/2008 21:09:36 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Let me check the numbers...
15/07/2008 21:09:43 ‹Daigle› greengrunt :D
15/07/2008 21:09:44 ‹greengrunt› hi Garydee
15/07/2008 21:09:50 ‹Justin Sluder› Gorilla King = Michael Clarke Duncan?
15/07/2008 21:10:00 ‹Eyebite› Grunt - your fingers say no, but your eyes say yes - to the trannibal
15/07/2008 21:10:02 ‹Pygon› Tom Wilson?
15/07/2008 21:10:09 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, he did the gorilla thing in the horrible remake of Planet of the Apes
15/07/2008 21:10:14 ‹James Jacobs› AND: The Gorilla King (if we stick with the story I had for him in the old product) is a reincarnated warlord who died and was brought back to life as a gorilla by the demon lord Anghazan.
15/07/2008 21:10:27 ‹David› cool
15/07/2008 21:10:30 ‹Russ› Yoda - amusingly, the remake ending was closer to the book ending
15/07/2008 21:10:31 ‹garydee› hi!
15/07/2008 21:10:33 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, really? I don't remember that
15/07/2008 21:10:34 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:10:34 ‹yoda8myhead› awesome backstory
15/07/2008 21:10:38 ‹David› why a gorilla?
15/07/2008 21:10:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, yeah, he was the head of the army
15/07/2008 21:10:45 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Sounds awesome.. stick with that please
15/07/2008 21:10:54 ‹Lilith› David, why not? It was a Demon Lord who brought him back. :P
15/07/2008 21:10:51 ‹Daigle› Because apes kick ass!
15/07/2008 21:10:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Interesting . . . I was hoping for a Gorilla Grod kind of thing (i.e. a naturally occuring sentient Gorilla city)
15/07/2008 21:11:09 ‹Eyebite› For some reason, I'm thinking of Gorilla Grod from DC comics (that's a good thing)
15/07/2008 21:11:10 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, the derhii in Crucible of Chaos. :P
15/07/2008 21:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› A gorilla because the demon lord that did it to him is the Demon Lord of Apes and Jungles.
15/07/2008 21:11:17 ‹Daigle› Reincarnated into a platypus would never have worked.
15/07/2008 21:11:17 ‹Eyebite› KEJR ninja'd me
15/07/2008 21:11:29 ‹David› i agree gorilla= cool i just wanna know the how James got there
15/07/2008 21:11:29 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, I'll take your word for it. (doesn't want to watch the movie again)
15/07/2008 21:11:30 ‹Russ› Wow.
15/07/2008 21:11:33 ‹James Jacobs› Actually, it was an artifact created by Anghazan that reincarnated him.
15/07/2008 21:11:35 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Will the Hellknight be a prestige class in the Campaign Setting??
15/07/2008 21:11:36 ‹David› ahh
15/07/2008 21:11:46 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: Because badass gorillas are very pulpy.
15/07/2008 21:11:49 ‹David› that makes sense
15/07/2008 21:11:50 ‹Russ› A commercial just said "an extraordinary nutsack"
15/07/2008 21:11:56 ‹David› and its cool!
15/07/2008 21:12:03 ‹David› ha
15/07/2008 21:12:07 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Not in the hardcover, no. We'll cover hellknights, I suspect, in late 2009, after the PF RPG is out.
15/07/2008 21:12:12 ‹Crimson Jester› so his soldiers are what just normal humans or does he have other things going for him?
15/07/2008 21:12:13 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, HA!
15/07/2008 21:12:17 * garydee quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:12:18 ‹yoda8myhead› what product was that for?
15/07/2008 21:12:18 ‹David› excellent
15/07/2008 21:12:23 ‹greengrunt› CRAP!! :cry:
15/07/2008 21:12:26 ‹Russ› A sack of nuts
15/07/2008 21:12:34 ‹David› pfrpg hellknights
15/07/2008 21:12:39 ‹James Jacobs› Crimson> His soldiers are charukas—ape men.
15/07/2008 21:12:59 ‹Pygon› James - I was under the impression that there will be prestige classes in the Campaign Setting. Is this still true, and will they be 3.5 or PFRPG, or will it matter?
15/07/2008 21:12:59 ‹James Jacobs› "Throne of the Gorilla King" was a Compleat Encounter back in the day.
15/07/2008 21:13:12 ‹Fray› James Jacobs> Is there going to be any new artwork for the Beta?
15/07/2008 21:13:18 ‹Daigle› I dug those little Compleat Encounters
15/07/2008 21:13:39 ‹James Jacobs› OK! Yeah... looks like our registered users at Paizo is still slowly but steadilly creeping upward.
15/07/2008 21:13:52 ‹Crimson Jester› Yeah ran out of money something else came along called the pathfinder adventure paths
15/07/2008 21:13:58 ‹Russ› Ah, True North nut SNACKS
15/07/2008 21:14:11 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, and subs are up too?
15/07/2008 21:14:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of Complete Encounters, was Paizo kind of testing the waters with those, and was it just to see if it would work, or becuase you already had a scent of a storm brewing?
15/07/2008 21:14:28 ‹Charles Evans› Hurray!
15/07/2008 21:14:35 ‹Russ› Aren't they pretty old?
15/07/2008 21:14:38 ‹greengrunt› 4706- Followers of the Gorilla King behead 17 missionaries and Aspis Consortium merchants in the Mwangi Expanse (nasty!) although the Consortium are a bunch of opportunistic bastards
15/07/2008 21:14:39 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> We put 5 prestige classes in the Hardcover. They are 3.5. EVERYTHING we release until August 2009 is 3.5 .
15/07/2008 21:14:48 ‹Pygon› thanks
15/07/2008 21:15:02 ‹James Jacobs› Fray>No new artwork for the Beta. The art budget there was zero dollars.
15/07/2008 21:15:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like the idea of the Harrower . . .
15/07/2008 21:15:12 ‹Blazej› Want. Hardcover.
15/07/2008 21:15:13 ‹James Jacobs› The final will have some new art though. A mix, probably.
15/07/2008 21:15:14 * Eyebite changes his/her nickname to Eyebite brb
15/07/2008 21:15:21 ‹Blazej› Want. Harrower.
15/07/2008 21:15:29 ‹Daigle› Which five prestige classes?
15/07/2008 21:15:35 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Subs are indeed up. Or at least pretty steady.
15/07/2008 21:15:40 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: The blog announced classes?
15/07/2008 21:15:42 ‹David› are you going to update the 3.5 stuff soon after PRPG and put it on the site somewhere?
15/07/2008 21:15:51 ‹Charles Evans› (The harrower, etc)?
21:16:15 ‹David› or at all?
15/07/2008 21:16:16 ‹yoda8myhead› Harrower, pirate, Pathfinder, Red Mantis and one other that I forgor
15/07/2008 21:16:17 ‹Blazej› It announce the Harrower, the Red Mantis assasisin.
15/07/2008 21:16:25 * Lilith changes his/her nickname to Lilith is AFK
15/07/2008 21:16:26 ‹Crimson Jester› Is there going to be a sequal to bloodsworn vale?
15/07/2008 21:16:31 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yeah; we were testing the waters for starting OGL stuff because we did indeed have a scent of things to come. The day the magazine license ended was never a secret, and we wanted to get a head start on things if the "unthinkable" happened.
15/07/2008 21:16:51 * Aristrofl joins Main
15/07/2008 21:16:55 ‹Mothman› Pirate prc! How will that compare to other pirate PrCs previously published (such as Dread Pirate)?
15/07/2008 21:16:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Glad to see that you guys were ahead of the curve.
15/07/2008 21:17:03 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> The five prestige classes will be: Harrower, Low Templar, Shackles Pirate, Red Mantis Assassin, and Pathfinder Chronicler.
15/07/2008 21:17:07 ‹Daigle› Howdy Aristrofl
15/07/2008 21:17:12 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, was there a noncompete clause for magazines after the license ended?
15/07/2008 21:17:16 ‹Daigle› Sweet, thanks!
15/07/2008 21:17:19 ‹David› Low Templar?
15/07/2008 21:17:32 ‹Aristrofl› Hello!
15/07/2008 21:17:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› They only get to guard the first floor.
15/07/2008 21:17:39 ‹Blazej› As opposed to High Templar.
15/07/2008 21:17:41 ‹David› hi Aristrofl
15/07/2008 21:17:44 ‹Ross is full› Low Templar?
15/07/2008 21:17:44 ‹David› heh
15/07/2008 21:17:47 ‹yoda8myhead› I assume that Pathfinder Chronicler is just hte first of many Pathfinder PrC's we'll see?
15/07/2008 21:17:47 ‹Mothman› Hi Aristrofl
15/07/2008 21:17:53 ‹greengrunt› (greengrunt wonders if there will be a High Templar)
15/07/2008 21:18:02 ‹David› echo?
15/07/2008 21:18:02 ‹Blazej› The High Templar has special material components.
15/07/2008 21:18:03 ‹James Jacobs› David> We're not sure what we're going to do with the bulk of our 3.5 stuff. SOME will get updated over the months/years after we switch to Pathfinder RPG, but some will not. Of course... the stuff that isn't updated will remain compatible anyway...
15/07/2008 21:18:05 ‹Mothman› I'll add to the chorus of "Low Templar?"
15/07/2008 21:18:12 ‹greengrunt› Hi Aristrofgl
15/07/2008 21:18:16 ‹Daigle› High Templars tend to be terribly unmotivated.
15/07/2008 21:18:24 ‹popscythe› fighter of the night man
15/07/2008 21:18:25 ‹Mothman› its the drugs
15/07/2008 21:18:30 ‹Blazej› And desire "munchies".
15/07/2008 21:18:35 ‹Rambling Scribe› Daigle: :lol:
15/07/2008 21:18:37 * ollibolli joins Main
15/07/2008 21:18:40 ‹Pygon› this is all I remember from prestige classes in the CS http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/20...aic9l8z
15/07/2008 21:18:41 ‹Russ› Did the magazine license go for just one term, then, or didyou have one or more renewals in there?
15/07/2008 21:18:42 ‹Crimson Jester› White Castle
15/07/2008 21:18:44 ‹David› Update as a reprint or a web enhancement?
15/07/2008 21:18:59 ‹greengrunt› High Templars have a craving for Doritos specifically
15/07/2008 21:18:59 ‹Aristrofl› So, that is acturally something I was wondering about. With pathfinders wonderful ability to make players want to stick with 1-20, what advatages can we look forward to for a PRC?
15/07/2008 21:19:00 ‹Russ› Did the magazine license go for just one term, then, or didyou have one or more renewals in there? (reposting this, sorry if it is a duplicate)
15/07/2008 21:19:01 ‹Pygon› June 18 section
15/07/2008 21:19:05 ‹Daigle› Howdy ollibolli
15/07/2008 21:19:06 ‹James Jacobs› David> The low templar's a crusader, basically. A guy who joins a religious war but doesn't necessarilly follow the beliefs of the religion. There are a LOT of low templars in Mendev and the Worldwound, in "THEORY" fighting for Iomedae.
15/07/2008 21:19:14 ‹greengrunt› Hi Olli
15/07/2008 21:19:15 ‹Russ› Wow, I am lagging
15/07/2008 21:19:23 ‹David› cool
15/07/2008 21:19:25 ‹Ross is full› Ah!. THat's a good PrC.
15/07/2008 21:19:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› NOW I get it . . .
15/07/2008 21:19:34 ‹David› ill take two ;)
15/07/2008 21:19:35 ‹ollibolli› good morning from Germany
15/07/2008 21:19:39 ‹Mothman› Sounds good
15/07/2008 21:19:42 ‹David› hi olli
15/07/2008 21:19:46 ‹Mothman› Hi Ollibolli
15/07/2008 21:19:47 ‹Daigle› That's cool flavor
15/07/2008 21:19:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> There was no noncompete clause when the magazines ended, no. We COULD have done new magazines. That would have put us out of business, though.
15/07/2008 21:19:57 ‹Blazej› I'm fighting for justice "in theory".
15/07/2008 21:20:02 * Eyebite brb quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:20:10 ‹ollibolli› At last! News from the German translation front *G*
15/07/2008 21:20:12 ‹Russ› (insert why the magazine business blows rant here :)
15/07/2008 21:20:13 ‹James Jacobs› Because launching a new magazine would require, I Shit You Not, over a million bucks laid out over a year or so before we'd start seeing money back.
15/07/2008 21:20:14 ‹Charles Evans› Good morning Ollibolli.
15/07/2008 21:20:17 ‹greengrunt› JJ> sounds like a merc under the guise of religion as an excuse to fight??
15/07/2008 21:20:17 * garydee joins Main
15/07/2008 21:20:30 ‹David› is there an alignment restriction for Low templars?
15/07/2008 21:20:34 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yeah... there'll probably be a few more Pathfinder prestige classes coming eventually.
15/07/2008 21:20:38 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I figured it was bad business sense, but I wondered if the contract helped motivate you away from it
15/07/2008 21:20:43 ‹Mothman› James: ouch. Starting to picture why new mags wouldnt be an option for you...
15/07/2008 21:21:05 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The license went one term until April of 2007. WotC extended that to August 2007 so we could finish out Savage Tide.
15/07/2008 21:21:09 ‹Crimson Jester› why would it have put you out of business?
15/07/2008 21:21:10 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How did Wolfgang fin the funds to start KQ then?:shock:
15/07/2008 21:21:19 ‹Charles Evans› fin(d)
15/07/2008 21:21:22 ‹James Jacobs› David> Dunno how we'd update yet. That's over a year away.
15/07/2008 21:21:25 ‹greengrunt› Agreed Moth.. (Rubs arm as if he'd been punched)
15/07/2008 21:21:39 ‹Mothman› James: What are some musts in a pirate prestige class? What should a "pirate" be able to do that say, a fighter or a rogue or a swashbuckler can't?
15/07/2008 21:21:42 ‹Russ› I have trouble imagining Wizards is going to have an easy time getting business partners in the future.
15/07/2008 21:21:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› KQ seems like it was a bit different . . . and as the implies, its a Quarterly . . .
15/07/2008 21:21:52 ‹greengrunt› JJ> I heard Wolfgang won the lottery
15/07/2008 21:21:54 ‹Blazej› Sail?
15/07/2008 21:22:02 ‹Daigle› Wolfgang knows that KQ is "small but fierce".
15/07/2008 21:22:02 ‹James Jacobs› Aristrofl> The goal for prestige classes will return to being not "replacement levels" but "specialists" and Prestigious roles.
15/07/2008 21:22:03 ‹David› always good to think ahead...
15/07/2008 21:22:21 ‹ollibolli› Wolfgang isnot using newspaper cahnnels to distribute Kobols Quarterly
15/07/2008 21:22:23 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, so honestly, what do you think of the first installment in the WotC 4e AP sequel to RHoD?
15/07/2008 21:22:24 ‹Aristrofl› Awesome.
15/07/2008 21:22:53 ‹greengrunt› 4 E... :-#
15/07/2008 21:22:55 ‹James Jacobs› David> No alignment restriction for low templars... but as they gain levels, they have to decide if they're gonna be devout or heretical, basically.
15/07/2008 21:23:04 ‹Russ› It is probably easier to do a tiny magazine or a big magazine than a small magazine. The channels do not work well for circulation in Dragon's range
15/07/2008 21:23:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The Magazine business is a tragic and terrible one to be in.
15/07/2008 21:23:23 ‹David› devoutly heretical!
15/07/2008 21:23:24 ‹Ross is full› KQ didn't go directly for newstands, either.
15/07/2008 21:23:24 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:23:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› I strongly suspect that the AP is a "sequel" of RHOD because its one of the most well regarded WOTC "In house" adventures, and they hope to play off that good will.
15/07/2008 21:23:46 ‹yoda8myhead› KnightErrantJR, epic fail
15/07/2008 21:24:09 ‹Pygon› won't work if the current trend continues
15/07/2008 21:24:10 ‹Russ› I wonder if the magazine trade standards are like the paperback book ones - relics of the depression.
15/07/2008 21:24:15 ‹popscythe› apopogy denied
15/07/2008 21:24:16 ‹David› not to excited about that AP...
15/07/2008 21:24:16 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Wolfgang's magazine isn't mass market. It's not in the magazine channel. It's a small press magazine, and that kind of thing, while cool and possible for one or two-man shows, cannot sustain a company of over two dozen employees.
15/07/2008 21:24:30 ‹Russ› KE> Having read the first installment, I think it was a retrofit into Brindel.
15/07/2008 21:24:33 ‹greengrunt› Unless JJ can right another adventure like Red Hand o Doom.. I don't the adventures will be any good from here on out for WOTC
15/07/2008 21:24:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› But its fun to read.
15/07/2008 21:24:42 ‹greengrunt› er.. write.. Dammit!
15/07/2008 21:24:43 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> There are no musts, really, for prestige classes. EXCEPT: They must be justified by cool flavor.
15/07/2008 21:25:06 ‹Blazej› They must be delicious.
15/07/2008 21:25:07 ‹greengrunt› God.. my typing = pile of buffalo chips
15/07/2008 21:25:13 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Ah, yes, of course Wolfgang is a smaller company than Paizo (so far).... :)
15/07/2008 21:25:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Good point James. While I know a lot of people want rules for people to do things without PrCs, and I get that, some players really want the "title" and then they want something for that "title"
15/07/2008 21:25:34 ‹Mothman› I'm toying with designing a pirate PrC for one of my games. I'd like to see what Paizo does and steal it - um, I mean, be inspired by it....
15/07/2008 21:25:57 ‹Urza› greengrunt, 4e modules don't have to be good.. WOTC modules just have to be easier to us then everyone else's module
15/07/2008 21:26:23 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> I wish WotC the best of luck on their 18-part adventure path. It's hard stuff. I'm not sure they know what they're getting into. And they need to get a full campaign outline out and available SOON. As for the first adventure... well, let me just say "It's not the way it would look if I wrote it."
15/07/2008 21:26:24 * Eyebite brb changes his/her nickname to Eyebite
15/07/2008 21:26:31 ‹David› Mothman, yes 'inspiration' is great
15/07/2008 21:26:38 ‹Charles Evans› Urza: But modules need to be QUALITY to be easier to use, surely? :-k
15/07/2008 21:26:50 ‹Pygon› if they ever plan to do an outline
15/07/2008 21:26:53 ‹Urza› James Jacobs, you'll need to wish them more then just luck.. the first part of their AP is a mess :)
15/07/2008 21:26:56 ‹greengrunt› JJ> WOTC is going to tank on that
15/07/2008 21:26:58 ‹Russ› James - if Pathfinder dungeons were like that, I'd have cancelled my sub by now. I need some logic and depth to my adventures.
15/07/2008 21:27:07 ‹greengrunt› but that's just an opinion
15/07/2008 21:27:14 ‹Eyebite› I really liked the 3 level PrC they did for Abadar....I thought it was really cool
15/07/2008 21:27:20 ‹ollibolli› no background for the town, no campaign outline - two strikes
15/07/2008 21:27:23 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> I'm positive that they decided to do a sequel to RHoD because of its popularity. I'm not sure they realize that it's popular not because of its fights but because of its roleplay and politics and non-combat stuff, thoguh...
15/07/2008 21:27:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm curious to see how well they stick to this plan. They also had ten articles to preview the new Realms, and never ran most of them. Or they had plans for ten articles.
15/07/2008 21:27:37 ‹Eyebite› I've been itching to play a crossbow Paladin ever since
15/07/2008 21:27:37 ‹Russ› They seem to be trying to emulate the original 3.0 AP here - vaguely connected adventures. That doesn't cut it for a modern path.
15/07/2008 21:27:38 ‹yoda8myhead› Eyebite, Abadar had a 5 level one, I think
15/07/2008 21:27:42 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, yeah, I like the short prestige classes.
15/07/2008 21:27:55 ‹Eyebite› Was it 5? I thought it was 3
15/07/2008 21:28:00 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, nope.. easy to use modules don't need to PH, DMG, and MM like H1 and H2 don't need them, don't reference them.. once you know 4e rules, the WOTC modules are designed such that a DM NEVER needs his core books
15/07/2008 21:28:01 ‹Aristrofl› So this has probably been answered before, but what does pathfinder plan on doing with non open D20 classes, like samurai, and the like, which as far as I understand cannot be repriunted, but do not match up to the PF classes. Are there any plans for a conversion guide? Or class reflavor / rework?
15/07/2008 21:28:02 ‹Russ› KEJR - one of those realms articles just went up, I think
15/07/2008 21:28:10 ‹popscythe› this isn't wildly accurate, what if a troll took fighter rogue and decided to aod
15/07/2008 21:28:13 ‹greengrunt› I'm going to vomit all my Chinese food this evening methinks with this talk of 4E :razz:
15/07/2008 21:28:16 ‹David› im waiting for a 1 level prestige class...
15/07/2008 21:28:18 ‹Ross is full› James Jacobs, they seemed to think RHoD was popular because of all the cool new MM V monsters in it.
15/07/2008 21:28:25 ‹Pygon› RHoD was just the right mix of fights, interesting NPC builds and roleplay opportunities. It's more combat intensive than roleplay, but that's what I usually like.
15/07/2008 21:28:33 ‹Ross is full› Including the dragonspawn crazyness.
15/07/2008 21:28:40 ‹David› im liking it
15/07/2008 21:28:46 ‹Crimson Jester› Short PrC's are great and ones that help tie you to the game world the best I used the hell out of a bunch from Dragon set in Cormyr...... Loved the Noble Adventurer
15/07/2008 21:28:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› David, there are tons of those . . . at least when they get front loaded with their best ability . . . :mrgreen:
15/07/2008 21:28:48 ‹Charles Evans› The Abadar PRC in Pathfinder was only three levels (sorry if this is a repeat)
15/07/2008 21:28:56 ‹Russ› If anything, the combat in RHoD was a bit of a grind. The fun part was the desperate search for allies.
15/07/2008 21:29:02 ‹David› KnightErrantJR, true...
15/07/2008 21:29:08 ‹greengrunt› Pygon- RHOD= Red Hand of Doom?
15/07/2008 21:29:15 ‹David› greengrunt, yes
15/07/2008 21:29:15 ‹Pygon› green - correct
15/07/2008 21:29:25 ‹Aristrofl› I like that adventure
15/07/2008 21:29:28 ‹greengrunt› Was the awesome!!
15/07/2008 21:29:32 ‹James Jacobs› Aristofl> Stuff like samurai and ninja and the like that's historical? We'll either make our own core or prestige classes for them.
15/07/2008 21:29:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Russ, according to Rich Baker, that's probably the only preview we'll get before the FRCG comes out.
15/07/2008 21:29:49 ‹Aristrofl› Awesome
15/07/2008 21:30:03 ‹Eyebite› James> good......the WotC Samurai blew IMO
15/07/2008 21:30:08 ‹Charles Evans› Ura: Easy to use modules also do not leave the DM frantically trying to invent something after the PC's do something which it shoukld have been obvious to the module writer that they might try to do- and the module writer should have supplied some answers for the DM therefore.
15/07/2008 21:30:08 ‹greengrunt› I wish somebody would write another RHOD.. for Pathfinder... Hint! Hint!
15/07/2008 21:30:13 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> That's strange, because RHoD only had 3 new monsters in it. MOST of the monsters in there weren't MM V monsters.
15/07/2008 21:30:49 ‹Russ› CE - like, how about, where on the map is Rivenroar? :)
15/07/2008 21:30:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› James . . . loved Lavender in the blog, by the way . . . I like varied tieflings.
15/07/2008 21:31:02 ‹Russ› More than 3...
15/07/2008 21:31:12 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. Varied tieflings are MUCH better than stock tieflings.
15/07/2008 21:31:17 ‹Russ› I'm counting five
15/07/2008 21:31:20 ‹Pygon› I've seen campaign logs where DM's enjoyed adding more spawn creatures, so it was partially a selling point
15/07/2008 21:31:32 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> What five?
15/07/2008 21:31:44 ‹Russ› 3 spawns, the bonedrinker, and Big Mamma
15/07/2008 21:31:55 ‹James Jacobs› the bonedrinker was MM3
15/07/2008 21:32:02 ‹greengrunt› Big Mama??
15/07/2008 21:32:04 ‹Pygon› abishai too
15/07/2008 21:32:08 ‹James Jacobs› Big Mamma was hardly new either. Minis Handbook
15/07/2008 21:32:14 ‹Urza› Charles Evans, i've yet to find a module by anyone that solve the player's going off tangent.
15/07/2008 21:32:17 ‹Russ› the Aspect, which was assuredly not the Minis handbook version :)
15/07/2008 21:32:18 ‹Ross is full› I just know that the RHoD tie-in stuff that kept showing up on the Wizards site kept pimping the dragonspawn. I never read the adventure. I had Dungeon for that,.
15/07/2008 21:32:19 ‹James Jacobs› Abishai are from Monsters of Faerun, and the 1st edition MM2 before that.
15/07/2008 21:32:19 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: That too.... :D
15/07/2008 21:32:27 ‹Pygon› ah ok, not so new then.
15/07/2008 21:32:37 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> It was an advanced version of that version, though. Hardly a "new" monster.
15/07/2008 21:32:57 ‹James Jacobs› Frankly, I think they WAY overdid it on the dragonspawn thing.
21:33:08 * Daigle nods.
15/07/2008 21:33:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› I still need to pick up RHoD after all of the good I've heard about it.
15/07/2008 21:33:13 ‹Russ› No kidding.
15/07/2008 21:33:15 ‹Eyebite› mmhm
15/07/2008 21:33:22 ‹greengrunt› Yeah but you guys used them well in RHOD JJ
15/07/2008 21:33:23 ‹Russ› Overdid on dragon*****, no matter what you put after that.
15/07/2008 21:33:28 ‹Pygon› KEJ - highly recommended, David got one REAL cheap
15/07/2008 21:33:34 ‹yoda8myhead› speaking of spawn, will we ever see sinspawn of other sins?
15/07/2008 21:33:34 ‹Russ› I'm so sick to death of partially dragon things I hope to never see another one
15/07/2008 21:33:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› What, James, just because there were some in MM IV, Dragons of Faerun, and Dragon Magic?
15/07/2008 21:33:45 ‹Russ› KE - and MM V
15/07/2008 21:33:59 ‹Charles Evans› yoda: There were details given in the entry in the bestiary in PF #1.
15/07/2008 21:34:05 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Thanks. I think part of the trick in RHoD is that they were used relatively sparingly, or for key plot points.
15/07/2008 21:34:07 ‹Charles Evans› Fr stats fr them, I mean.
15/07/2008 21:34:09 ‹David› KnightErrantJR, i paid $5 for it
15/07/2008 21:34:18 ‹James Jacobs› Rather than just as "we need a monster for the next room."
15/07/2008 21:34:19 ‹David› a good copy too
15/07/2008 21:34:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› I just found a lot of good deals on Amazon, so I'll have to cruise around for it.
15/07/2008 21:34:34 ‹Charles Evans› F(o)r statting them, I mean.
15/07/2008 21:34:37 ‹yoda8myhead› Charles Evans, I know, but just for character playable races
15/07/2008 21:34:45 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> We'll maybe stat up some other sinspawn someday, sure.
15/07/2008 21:34:48 ‹Russ› I enjoyed the heavy use of a mook-class monsters.
15/07/2008 21:34:55 ‹Russ› You got to feel mighty in a lot of RHoD
15/07/2008 21:35:05 ‹Russ› It was a joy of a mod to have cleave in
15/07/2008 21:35:12 ‹greengrunt› (geting nostalgic, goes to look for RHOD)
15/07/2008 21:35:14 ‹David› yoda8myhead, the sinspawn entry had other sin modifications
15/07/2008 21:35:33 ‹Russ› I did not enjoy the *%@*# encounter where we had to fight the two beasties that got away, tho
15/07/2008 21:35:36 ‹David› oh CE beat me by alot...
15/07/2008 21:35:53 ‹Charles Evans› :D
15/07/2008 21:36:03 ‹David› it wouldnt be that hard to make em though...
15/07/2008 21:36:13 ‹Russ› it's really hard to kill dragons with poor arcane and ranged support
15/07/2008 21:36:17 ‹greengrunt› Ghostlord = The awesome!
15/07/2008 21:36:25 ‹Aristrofl› the encounter my players had the hardest time with was the 4 thunderlizards with goblin riders
15/07/2008 21:36:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm still looking forward to seeing some of the dragon "sports" from cross breeding chromatics and metallics.
15/07/2008 21:36:44 ‹Aristrofl› greengrunt > druid lich rules
15/07/2008 21:36:48 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, do you prefer playing or running a game?
15/07/2008 21:37:25 ‹David› KnightErrantJR, sports?
15/07/2008 21:37:28 ‹Russ› I dunno. The ghostlord was kind of a pushover. He was a really good bluff - most tables assume they have no change, so they don't even try. Good play :)
15/07/2008 21:37:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› James, how likely are you guys to make other "metallic" dragons based on metals that have non OGL versions (for example, Adamantine Dragons)?
15/07/2008 21:37:32 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer running games.
15/07/2008 21:37:49 ‹Russ› No chance, not no change.
15/07/2008 21:37:55 ‹James Jacobs› Actually... i prefer running ONE game. And playing in more.
15/07/2008 21:38:02 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Heh. :P
15/07/2008 21:38:05 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, can I play?
15/07/2008 21:38:07 ‹James Jacobs› I prefer playing in games if the other players are good roleplayers.
15/07/2008 21:38:19 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> The commute might be a killer for you...
15/07/2008 21:38:20 ‹Aristrofl› Anythoughts of firearms rules or suppliments in PF?
15/07/2008 21:38:23 ‹greengrunt› JJ> That would be in a perfect world
15/07/2008 21:38:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› David, "mutant" offspring, more or less
15/07/2008 21:38:30 ‹David› ahh
15/07/2008 21:38:36 ‹David› that would be cool
15/07/2008 21:38:40 ‹greengrunt› I've DMed for so long.. I suck as a player
15/07/2008 21:38:45 * Wyvern quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:38:46 ‹greengrunt› too long in fact
15/07/2008 21:38:58 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I can sleep in the storeroom and live off food scraps.
15/07/2008 21:39:03 ‹David› Wyvern was here?
15/07/2008 21:39:03 ‹Russ› I'm an annoying player, due to rules trivia. Shocking, right?
15/07/2008 21:39:03 ‹greengrunt› but it's really hard to find a good group
15/07/2008 21:39:17 ‹Eyebite› *is fortunate to be playing with some really good players right now*
15/07/2008 21:39:17 ‹David› yup
15/07/2008 21:39:18 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> We're not too likely to make up new chromatic or metallic dragons at all. Doing so dilutes the "power" of those classic 10. We'll be more likely to make up dragons in other categories.
15/07/2008 21:39:19 ‹Daigle› :lol:
15/07/2008 21:39:34 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: Are recent financial developments (the government needing to step in to prop up big US companies) causing concerns at Paizo?
15/07/2008 21:39:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› That works . . . :D
15/07/2008 21:39:41 ‹Pygon› Eyebite - :dance2:
15/07/2008 21:39:46 ‹Lilith› Justin Sluder, you can live off food scraps from the company fridge. ;)
15/07/2008 21:39:51 ‹James Jacobs› Aristrofl> We have about 2 pages of firearms rules in the Hardcover. That's about all we're gonna do. They're in the world... but they're very rare.
15/07/2008 21:39:53 ‹Daigle› You rock, Eyebite!
15/07/2008 21:40:05 ‹Crimson Jester› company fridge might be kinda scarry
15/07/2008 21:40:12 ‹Justin Sluder› Lilith, yes, yes I can.
15/07/2008 21:40:17 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: r d you leave all the worrying aboput that to Lisa and Vic, and get on with writing things?
15/07/2008 21:40:20 ‹Lilith› Eyebite, you rocketh mightily. It was awesome fun on Saturday. :dance2:
15/07/2008 21:40:28 ‹David› yeah anything left here for two+ hours is property of Justin
15/07/2008 21:40:38 ‹Aristrofl› Sweet. I'm pretty deep into the Iron Kingdoms, and IK and PF seem heavenly.
15/07/2008 21:40:39 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Not really. I'm sort of shielded from the grisly business side of things though.
15/07/2008 21:40:44 ‹Eyebite› Looking forward to many more (hopefully) sessions guys
15/07/2008 21:40:48 ‹Crimson Jester› hey and once a year he can orde Pizza
15/07/2008 21:41:09 * Justin Sluder is liking the sound of things
15/07/2008 21:41:13 ‹James Jacobs› Lisa and Erik and Jeff get to do the worrying about that stuff. I get to do the worrying about "Will there be any books to sell this month?"
15/07/2008 21:41:16 ‹greengrunt› Eye> Are you speaking of online or tabletop sessions??
15/07/2008 21:41:20 ‹James Jacobs› We split up the worry here.
15/07/2008 21:41:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
15/07/2008 21:41:37 ‹Charles Evans› If there is a recession on, it's a god way to judge what the public think of your products, whether they keep on buying it as their wallets get smaller...
15/07/2008 21:41:45 ‹James Jacobs› True.
15/07/2008 21:41:48 ‹greengrunt› Splitting up worry= wise movage :razz:
15/07/2008 21:41:50 ‹Eyebite› online right now....my tabletop success has been limited. Yasha is running Entombed right now, Daigle, Pygon, and Lilith are kicking ass in it
15/07/2008 21:41:53 ‹Pygon› gg - Eyebite is in Yasha's group - me, Daigle, Lilith, too
15/07/2008 21:41:54 ‹Russ› Shoot. Missed Aristrfl's PM
15/07/2008 21:42:05 ‹Daigle› What they said.
15/07/2008 21:42:08 ‹James Jacobs› But also... in grim times, entertainment spending sometimes goes up, since folk are looking for more escape from reality.
15/07/2008 21:42:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd give up my Irish Blend Java Monsters before Paizo stuff . . . just sayin.
15/07/2008 21:42:17 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, 'tis true.
15/07/2008 21:42:24 ‹greengrunt› Nice guys!
15/07/2008 21:42:28 ‹Eyebite› For a time I was reduced to playing with 14 years olds at the local FLGS that like to shoot people in the balls with lightning bolts
15/07/2008 21:42:36 ‹Lilith› Eyebite, :ohnoes:
15/07/2008 21:42:38 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, don't worry, I'll live of ramen before cancelling my subs
15/07/2008 21:42:39 ‹Pygon› gg - I ttried to send a PM to you but it didn't work, but there is room in David's game for another if you're available on Sundays, or sometimes during the week
15/07/2008 21:42:42 ‹greengrunt› Aye.. Sometimes reality bites!
15/07/2008 21:42:43 ‹Aristrofl› Just wondering if you were Russ from the Cengage meeting
15/07/2008 21:42:43 ‹Mothman› which is good no matter HOW old you are
15/07/2008 21:42:44 ‹Eyebite› 'tis nice for a change
15/07/2008 21:42:53 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah... Paizo will have to shift and change as the financial world changes. We try to keep impacts to customers pretty mellow, but...
15/07/2008 21:42:58 * Samwise joins Main
15/07/2008 21:43:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Eyebite, that reminds me of Erik's "In the balls" story from an old editorial.
15/07/2008 21:43:03 ‹Russ› I applaud the decision to do no more dragons
15/07/2008 21:43:10 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, sometimes you just can't. Like shipping prices.
15/07/2008 21:43:10 ‹Russ› Aristrofl - that's me! Good ol' North Bank!
15/07/2008 21:43:12 ‹Justin Sluder› Welcome Samwise!
15/07/2008 21:43:15 ‹James Jacobs› IN THE BALLS!!!
15/07/2008 21:43:20 ‹greengrunt› Pygon> I do tabletop til about 9pm on Sundays...
15/07/2008 21:43:28 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Of course exports are getting easier with the falling dollar (in theory they're getting easier, that is)
15/07/2008 21:43:31 ‹Eyebite› Erik was right - they're really out there....AND they want extra XP for it
15/07/2008 21:43:33 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, it's hard not to let Paizo affect the wallet, though, when all the output is so amazing
15/07/2008 21:43:34 ‹Pygon› gg - hrmm ok :)
15/07/2008 21:43:34 ‹Lilith› Russ, same....I got burned on dragons from WotC's "year of the dragons"
15/07/2008 21:43:37 ‹Eyebite› dark times
15/07/2008 21:43:42 ‹greengrunt› :rofl: @JJ
15/07/2008 21:43:45 ‹Mothman› In the second game od D&D I played, someone got a magic missile in the balls. Good times.
15/07/2008 21:43:52 ‹Samwise› no more dragons?
15/07/2008 21:43:55 ‹Russ› (er, I mean no more chromatic/metallic dragons)
15/07/2008 21:43:57 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: I've seen £2 come off the 32 page modules since january or february this year...
15/07/2008 21:44:00 ‹Samwise› no more dragons?
15/07/2008 21:44:09 ‹Rambling Scribe› JJ: Shipping from the US is getting worse though... I may have to cancel my subs soon and buy locally.
15/07/2008 21:44:09 ‹Samwise› in the balls?
15/07/2008 21:44:12 ‹Aristrofl› Same, no more new dragons
15/07/2008 21:44:14 ‹Samwise› ummmmmmmmmm
15/07/2008 21:44:14 ‹Mothman› Sam: There's still dragons!
15/07/2008 21:44:15 ‹Russ› I'd rather have oriental dragons, for example
15/07/2008 21:44:22 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm just kind of pissed they bothered to "officially" introduce dragonborn into the Realms in Dragons of Faerun, only to say that these new ones are "different" dragonborn.
15/07/2008 21:44:29 ‹Mothman› No new chromatic or metallic dragons
15/07/2008 21:44:39 ‹Russ› We don't need orange, yellow and purple dragons
15/07/2008 21:44:42 ‹greengrunt› RS> Getting my SE books from the UK is a kick in the balls.. but I'm hooked
15/07/2008 21:44:48 ‹Samwise› we dont?
15/07/2008 21:44:49 ‹Mothman› I want Linnorms
15/07/2008 21:44:59 ‹Crimson Jester› I'd rather have a new Oriental Adventures
15/07/2008 21:45:04 ‹Daigle› The plaid dragon was the last straw with me.
15/07/2008 21:45:09 ‹Lilith› Crimson Jester, :headbang:
15/07/2008 21:45:12 ‹Aristrofl› Wang lungs
15/07/2008 21:45:13 ‹Pygon› hee
15/07/2008 21:45:18 ‹KnightErrantJR› Linnorms . . . maybe some CN crazy ass dragons . . . asian style dragons . . . Darklands dragons . . .
15/07/2008 21:45:19 ‹Eyebite› A Midgard Serpent type linnorm would be schweeeeet
15/07/2008 21:45:20 ‹Crimson Jester› They went Plaid?
15/07/2008 21:45:22 ‹David› a plaid dragon?
15/07/2008 21:45:24 ‹Fray› Dragons have balls!
15/07/2008 21:45:26 ‹Mothman› greengrunt: SE books?
15/07/2008 21:45:27 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah. The 10 dragons we have now are enough for those categories.
15/07/2008 21:45:29 ‹Justin Sluder› Daigle, I must have missed that one
15/07/2008 21:45:36 ‹Hill Giant› Aristrofl, Wang Chun?
15/07/2008 21:45:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Greengrunt: I got Reaper's Gale and Night of Knives for my birthday!
15/07/2008 21:45:39 ‹greengrunt› Of course.. with rising fuel costs.. I think shipping costs are going up to uncomfortable levels.. or will be
15/07/2008 21:45:40 ‹James Jacobs› We list several new categories in Pathfinder 4, thoguh.
15/07/2008 21:45:43 ‹Russ› I want the Nidhogg
15/07/2008 21:45:46 ‹Eyebite› I hated the low-fat dragon.....I knew they went too far then
15/07/2008 21:45:51 ‹greengrunt› Hey RS AWESOME!
15/07/2008 21:45:56 ‹Pygon› they get a hide bonus behind Steven Hawking
15/07/2008 21:46:03 ‹greengrunt› Moth> SE= Steven Erikson
21:46:05 ‹Fray› Tofu dragon is what did me in... tastes like crap
15/07/2008 21:46:05 ‹Daigle› Ha!
15/07/2008 21:46:18 ‹Mothman› greengrunt: ah, ok
15/07/2008 21:46:30 ‹James Jacobs› ALSO: Rhyme Dragons. Like the Flagon Dragon, the Bragging Dragon, the Lagging Dragon, the Sagging Dragon, and the dreaded Wagon Dragon.
15/07/2008 21:46:41 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
15/07/2008 21:46:42 ‹Daigle› :lol: James
15/07/2008 21:46:44 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, :rofl:
15/07/2008 21:46:52 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, #-o
15/07/2008 21:46:54 ‹Pygon› HA
15/07/2008 21:46:55 ‹Mothman› Rhyme dragons are the Roxxor
15/07/2008 21:46:56 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Dragon Wagon is code in the SCA for a minivan. :P
15/07/2008 21:46:59 ‹greengrunt› FLAGON DRAGON= THE AWESOME!
15/07/2008 21:46:59 ‹Justin Sluder› =D<
15/07/2008 21:47:00 ‹Rambling Scribe› How long can these jokes drag on?
15/07/2008 21:47:00 ‹Russ› Dagon Dragon?
15/07/2008 21:47:02 ‹KnightErrantJR› The . . . sagging . . . dragon . . .
15/07/2008 21:47:10 ‹Daigle› Nice one Craig
15/07/2008 21:47:18 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, It's a middle-aged female dragon. :P
15/07/2008 21:47:21 ‹Mothman› Scribe: ha!
15/07/2008 21:47:23 ‹Nameless› Man, I leave for over an hour and everyone's still here!
15/07/2008 21:47:28 ‹greengrunt› I would like to raise me a flight of flagon dragons!
15/07/2008 21:47:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gack!
15/07/2008 21:47:31 ‹Daigle› Dragon puns are on a totally different scale.
15/07/2008 21:47:33 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:47:38 ‹Russ› Wasn't the Flagon of Dragons a magic item in Unearthed Arcana?
15/07/2008 21:47:39 ‹yoda8myhead› Flagon Dragon is totally the name of my next impromptu inn
15/07/2008 21:47:41 ‹Aristrofl› (highly innapropriate comment) dragon!
15/07/2008 21:47:50 * Moth AFC groans at Daigle
15/07/2008 21:47:51 ‹ollibolli› and I am on for half an hour... and nobody leaves!!
15/07/2008 21:47:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Does the "sagging" attack replace the wing buffets?
15/07/2008 21:47:54 ‹Lilith› Daigle, Hurr hurr! :P
15/07/2008 21:48:03 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nameless!
15/07/2008 21:48:05 ‹greengrunt› Don't forget the Frakkin Dragons.. Applicable to the Battlestar Galactica universe only
15/07/2008 21:48:15 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, no, that's a "Smother" attack. Your cheeks might get pinched.
15/07/2008 21:48:18 ‹Nameless› Hey Scribe! How goes it?
15/07/2008 21:48:23 ‹Russ› Ah, nope, it is from Dragon
15/07/2008 21:48:26 ‹Crimson Jester› :dragon::dragon::dragon::dragon:
15/07/2008 21:48:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
15/07/2008 21:48:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nameless: Awesome, you?
15/07/2008 21:48:39 ‹ollibolli› April issue in the Year of the Dragon?
15/07/2008 21:48:44 ‹Crimson Jester› Frakkin Dragons are scarry
15/07/2008 21:48:47 ‹Aristrofl› Laggin Dragons have overheat videocard breath
15/07/2008 21:48:48 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, or the Razzafraggin dragons, commonly found in dry areas, led by moustachioed villains? :P
15/07/2008 21:48:57 ‹greengrunt› And who can forget .. The Shaggin Dragons!! :shock:
15/07/2008 21:49:05 ‹James Jacobs› A saggin' dragon's got multiple crush attacks, I guess.
15/07/2008 21:49:10 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, So that's where all those half dragons come from! :D
15/07/2008 21:49:11 ‹Rambling Scribe› Nice!
15/07/2008 21:49:13 ‹Nameless› Rambling Scribe: Fairly good! Was distracted by goings on in the household!
15/07/2008 21:49:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thats where half dragons come from
15/07/2008 21:49:14 ‹Charles Evans› Did Nick Logue sneak in, the way that this conversation seems to have suddenly deteriorated to vulgarities?
15/07/2008 21:49:17 ‹Russ› And reprinted in the Magister...
15/07/2008 21:49:24 ‹Aristrofl› Run! the shaggin dragon is from the BOED!
15/07/2008 21:49:29 * Russ changes his/her nickname to Russ is AFK
15/07/2008 21:49:30 * Charles Evans looks around suspiciously for Nick Logue....
15/07/2008 21:49:30 ‹Aristrofl› BOEF*
15/07/2008 21:49:31 ‹Russ is AFK› The Baggin' Dragon
15/07/2008 21:49:39 ‹Crimson Jester› Dont summon Nick it will just get worse
15/07/2008 21:49:42 ‹greengrunt› Are you horny baby!? Are you horny!? Shaggin Dragons.... :-&
15/07/2008 21:49:43 * Pygon lets out a sigh... :)
15/07/2008 21:49:53 * Crimson Jester SIGH
15/07/2008 21:49:54 ‹James Jacobs› And when we become creatively bankrupt here... we'll roll out the DRAGON dragon.
15/07/2008 21:49:59 ‹Russ is AFK› Fagging Dragon - it's tired
15/07/2008 21:50:05 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, ROFL! :rofl:
15/07/2008 21:50:10 ‹Charles Evans› CJ: I'm assuming that he's al;ready here under and alias, the way that this cobnversation has gone.
15/07/2008 21:50:12 ‹Russ is AFK› (what did you think I meant?)
15/07/2008 21:50:13 ‹Aristrofl› Russ is AFK, The baggin dragon waits till you pass out drunk then take pics of his things on your forehead
15/07/2008 21:50:14 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
15/07/2008 21:50:20 ‹Mothman› James: I think you've got a looong way to go before you have to roll that one out
21:50:29 ‹Pygon› speaking of which, I saw the last OotS in the final Dragon mag - did he draw some of you in that comic? :)
15/07/2008 21:50:45 ‹Charles Evans› Is the DRAGON dragon one with 64 bites?
15/07/2008 21:50:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Anyway . . . James, knowing you like monsters and all, how about more constructs/golems? Any on the horizon that you can tease?
15/07/2008 21:50:57 ‹Crimson Jester› Yeah well
15/07/2008 21:51:15 * Charles Evans tries to recall his computer lore....
15/07/2008 21:51:23 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, a big purple dragon... :)
15/07/2008 21:51:25 ‹greengrunt› A golem with stun grenades shooting out of a chest cavity!! :razz:
15/07/2008 21:51:27 ‹Lilith› Er. Golem.
15/07/2008 21:51:37 ‹Crimson Jester› exploding zombies
15/07/2008 21:51:44 ‹Rambling Scribe› My favorite construct is the tool swarm!
15/07/2008 21:51:56 ‹Russ is AFK› CE - everyone knows dragons have megabytes, not just bytes
15/07/2008 21:52:04 ‹greengrunt› Exploding dragons= Fragging Dragons!!
15/07/2008 21:52:11 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, commonly found in badly disorganized tool sheds...
15/07/2008 21:52:17 ‹Ross is full› Alright. I'm out. Thanks for joining us, James.
15/07/2008 21:52:20 * Absinth joins Main
15/07/2008 21:52:22 ‹greengrunt› ... with shrapnel!
15/07/2008 21:52:26 ‹Charles Evans› Russ: That would make the huge or gargantuan?
15/07/2008 21:52:26 ‹Pygon› gnite Ross
15/07/2008 21:52:28 ‹Rambling Scribe› Lilith: :razz:
15/07/2008 21:52:28 ‹Daigle› Have a good night Ross!
15/07/2008 21:52:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Ross
15/07/2008 21:52:33 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
15/07/2008 21:52:33 ‹Nameless› Later Ross!
15/07/2008 21:52:35 ‹Eyebite› G'night Ross
15/07/2008 21:52:38 ‹greengrunt› Hey Absinth.. Night Ross
15/07/2008 21:52:45 ‹yoda8myhead› once a month we get raggin' dragons?
15/07/2008 21:52:45 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Ross.
15/07/2008 21:52:49 * Ross is full quit
15/07/2008 21:52:52 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, will there be a Chronicles product regarding Absalom? If so, any idea how soon?
15/07/2008 21:52:53 * Saracenus joins Main
15/07/2008 21:52:58 ‹yoda8myhead› :blush:
15/07/2008 21:52:58 ‹Crimson Jester› Hey Absinth.. Night Ross
15/07/2008 21:53:03 ‹greengrunt› Hi Saracenus
15/07/2008 21:53:04 ‹ollibolli› hi Absinth
15/07/2008 21:53:06 ‹Daigle› Howdy Saracenus
15/07/2008 21:53:09 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, December
15/07/2008 21:53:10 ‹Saracenus› hello all
15/07/2008 21:53:14 ‹Lilith› yoda8myhead, :rofl:
15/07/2008 21:53:17 ‹Russ is AFK› I'm happy we'll keep dragons smaller than a horse around. I like the occasional small dragon, and if there are going to be weak dragons, they NEED to be medium or smaller
15/07/2008 21:53:18 ‹Pygon› Justin - in the Chronicles Product page, December of this year!
15/07/2008 21:53:21 ‹ollibolli› hi saracenus
15/07/2008 21:53:23 ‹Absinth› Good morning...
15/07/2008 21:53:30 ‹Russ is AFK› That art shot of the little black dragons in Age of Worms rules
15/07/2008 21:53:33 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> The last OotS in Dragon had a bunch of characters from other comics that have run in Dragon. Not editors.
15/07/2008 21:53:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'd like to see a massive siege golem, but not the OGL one, but a massive seige engine that lumbers up to walls, lets people walk up it, and pound the hell out of the walls.
15/07/2008 21:53:40 ‹Mothman› James: speaking of golems, if you wanted to put an intelligent flesh golem in an adventure (something like Frankenstein's monster) what would be the way you'd go about it? New monster? Flesh golem with the Lifespark template? Something else?
15/07/2008 21:53:40 ‹Justin Sluder› :dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::da nce2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2::dance 2::dance2::dance2:
15/07/2008 21:53:45 ‹Absinth› Good morning
15/07/2008 21:53:55 ‹Pygon› James - ok, could have sworn I saw Erik and Wes in there....
15/07/2008 21:53:56 ‹greengrunt› Seige Golem= Mecha :razz:
15/07/2008 21:53:57 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> yeah; December is when the Guuide to Absalom is out.
15/07/2008 21:54:05 ‹Justin Sluder› Mothman, check PF#2
15/07/2008 21:54:07 ‹Mothman› Hi Absinth
15/07/2008 21:54:13 ‹Absinth› Oh, worst lag ever...
15/07/2008 21:54:14 ‹Daigle› Mothman, check the Scarecrow in PF#3
15/07/2008 21:54:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Mothman, I've seen one of those before . . . ;-)
15/07/2008 21:54:28 ‹Eyebite› Hm....you know.....A golem with a bunch of other golems inside of it....like Russian nesting dolls would be cool.
15/07/2008 21:54:34 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, spiffy, I just didn't see it here: http://paizo.com/paizo/about/schedule
15/07/2008 21:54:37 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
15/07/2008 21:54:38 ‹Daigle› Eyebite, that rocks!
15/07/2008 21:54:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› KEJR is badly ninja'd . . .
15/07/2008 21:54:40 ‹Mothman› I have PF2 and 3 .... need to refresh my memory it seems!
15/07/2008 21:54:42 ‹Absinth› :coffee: for great :cthulhu:
15/07/2008 21:54:51 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yeah... we've got a pretty cool spider-themed construct later on in Second Darkness actually. The cutlass spider. Basically a sword golem.
15/07/2008 21:54:56 ‹Charles Evans› .
15/07/2008 21:55:05 ‹Daigle› What about a voltron type golem?
15/07/2008 21:55:05 ‹KnightErrantJR› That sounds cool . . .
15/07/2008 21:55:06 * Hill Giant changes his/her nickname to HG is Closing Shop
15/07/2008 21:55:07 ‹Daigle› :P
15/07/2008 21:55:08 ‹Crimson Jester› wasnt there a puzzle golem n dragon mag
15/07/2008 21:55:09 ‹greengrunt› Daigle> Tranibal Golems!! AAAAAHH!!
15/07/2008 21:55:10 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, :excite:
15/07/2008 21:55:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› Devestator!
15/07/2008 21:55:25 ‹Pygon› Justin - ooh http://paizo.com/pathfinder/pa...tpy81tv
15/07/2008 21:55:25 ‹Mothman› Oh, wait, I just realised why I dont know the ones from PF 2 or 3 - havent read them cos Im a player!
15/07/2008 21:55:26 * Russ is AFK misses Fineous Fingers
15/07/2008 21:55:38 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> yeah... PF 2 had one.
15/07/2008 21:55:40 * Saracenus quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:55:40 * Saracenus quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:55:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› (Heck, there is already a transforming template for constructs in the Advanced Bestiary)
15/07/2008 21:55:46 ‹James Jacobs› Lifespark template is the way to go.
15/07/2008 21:55:49 ‹Daigle› Doh!
15/07/2008 21:56:12 ‹Justin Sluder› KnightErrantJR, check this out: http://www.theblackfang.org/mo...or.html
15/07/2008 21:56:33 ‹greengrunt› Decepticon Golem= Megamagma??
15/07/2008 21:56:33 ‹Justin Sluder› I did it for a request thread I have/had on ENWorld.
15/07/2008 21:56:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . .
15/07/2008 21:56:53 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: There was a report of improved sightings of Pathfinder products in Barnes and Noble on one of the Paizo threads recently.
15/07/2008 21:57:33 ‹Pygon› My Borders is 3.5-barren.
15/07/2008 21:57:36 ‹Absinth› I have a quick question: Is Vancarlo from CotCT a nod to the crime boss from 'The Lies Of Locke Lamora'? The both have the same first name.
15/07/2008 21:57:40 ‹greengrunt› I will shit my pants if my local B&N carries Pathfinder
15/07/2008 21:57:41 * Charles Evans cringes at the thought of 'transformers' in Golarion.
15/07/2008 21:57:46 ‹Absinth› Sorry, Vencarlo
15/07/2008 21:57:57 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 21:58:01 ‹greengrunt› local B&N= le snotties of snottville
15/07/2008 21:58:08 ‹Eyebite› There can be transformers, just no Go Bots
15/07/2008 21:58:24 ‹Pygon› Mighty Orbots?
15/07/2008 21:58:25 ‹Justin Sluder› I haven't found anything Paizo related except for old mag issues
15/07/2008 21:58:33 ‹Daigle› greengrunt...I'm going to hold you to that.
15/07/2008 21:58:37 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Cool! I've seen them showing up in a few mass-market bookstores too.
15/07/2008 21:58:40 ‹Lilith› Charles Evans, there's a transforming construct template in Advanced Bestiary.
15/07/2008 21:58:50 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Dunno. Maybe.
15/07/2008 21:58:55 ‹James Jacobs› That's a question for Nick.
15/07/2008 21:59:12 ‹greengrunt› But I can't believe how many nice looking girls go into that place!! I've yet to see one go over to the RPG section.. Dammit!!
15/07/2008 21:59:32 * Charles Evans cringes some more... Charles Evans wonders whether to bother picking up anything after Beta & AP#4 if transformers are going to be running around the place.....
15/07/2008 21:59:36 ‹Rambling Scribe› Absinth: I do know that that is one of Nick's favorite books.
15/07/2008 21:59:37 ‹Absinth› Ahh, okay... Btw, that's a book I'd highly recommend. Best fantasy book I've read in years...
15/07/2008 21:59:49 ‹David› greengrunt, maybe because thats where you run and hide at?
15/07/2008 22:00:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Is there a name for AP4 yet, or still the same "wait for announcement" answer?
15/07/2008 22:00:07 ‹James Jacobs› We have no plans for transformers in Golarion yet.
15/07/2008 22:00:13 ‹James Jacobs› There is indeed a name for AP4.
15/07/2008 22:00:20 ‹David› which is?
15/07/2008 22:00:20 ‹greengrunt› (greengrunt wishes the Transformers would run and shoot up the local B&N.. preferably a random shot at the manager)
15/07/2008 22:00:30 ‹Crimson Jester› and AP4 is called?
15/07/2008 22:00:31 ‹greengrunt› :rofl: @ David
15/07/2008 22:00:36 ‹yoda8myhead› Michael Bay could direct the movie. He'd include lots of fireballs
15/07/2008 22:00:37 * Daigle is amused James included "yet" in his response.
15/07/2008 22:00:38 ‹James Jacobs› It's the Fourth Adventure Path.
15/07/2008 22:00:41 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs> But they're more than meets the eye!
15/07/2008 22:00:42 ‹Mothman› No plans for transformers .... YET
15/07/2008 22:00:44 ‹Pygon› :)
15/07/2008 22:00:51 ‹David› #-o
15/07/2008 22:01:03 ‹Crimson Jester› YET?!?!
15/07/2008 22:01:04 ‹Eyebite› Transformers live in Numeria
15/07/2008 22:01:07 ‹Justin Sluder› :plot::plot::plot:
15/07/2008 22:01:09 ‹Charles Evans› ARRRRRRRRGGGH!
15/07/2008 22:01:12 ‹Eyebite› *complete lie*
15/07/2008 22:01:22 ‹James Jacobs› I'm trying to decide if I can leak the name of AP4...
15/07/2008 22:01:26 ‹Mothman› or is it?
15/07/2008 22:01:34 ‹Justin Sluder› Absalom does have a school dealing with constructs, right?
15/07/2008 22:01:36 ‹James Jacobs› Hmmm....
15/07/2008 22:01:38 ‹Absinth› :rofl:
15/07/2008 22:01:45 ‹Daigle› Leak, leak, leak...
15/07/2008 22:01:50 ‹Crimson Jester› oh come on...........................
15/07/2008 22:01:51 ‹James Jacobs› There's a construct school in Magnimar. There's probably one in Absalom.
15/07/2008 22:01:55 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: It depends if you want to emulate your director of marketing or not, and regard him as a good role model...
15/07/2008 22:01:58 ‹greengrunt› I would love to see a Transformer do a bombing run on a fleet of Cheliaxan ships in the Inner Sea
15/07/2008 22:02:06 ‹Daigle› A construct school?
15/07/2008 22:02:07 ‹Eyebite› Ok....give us a scrambled version of the AP 4 title....and we'll unscramble it
15/07/2008 22:02:10 ‹Rambling Scribe› Erik called me and said to tell you that you have code green alpha clearance!
15/07/2008 22:02:10 ‹Absinth› What about leaking the first letters of the Name, like CotCT
15/07/2008 22:02:15 ‹Wyvern› Power armor like those guys in Utawarerumono.
15/07/2008 22:02:17 ‹Pygon› we won't tell anyone!
15/07/2008 22:02:18 ‹Charles Evans› Jopshua Frost would not leak the AP name until January.
15/07/2008 22:02:21 ‹James Jacobs› I'm 99.9994% certain that we'll never use the Transforming Construct template.
15/07/2008 22:02:22 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, you can leak whatever you want. You're in control!
15/07/2008 22:02:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› I got off track a little. I really just meant constructs like the lower CR constructs that Dragon did a while back (Tin, Wood, etc)
15/07/2008 22:02:27 ‹Justin Sluder› :w00t: Clockwork Cathedral FTW!!
15/07/2008 22:02:38 ‹Justin Sluder› KnightErrantJR, I am?
15/07/2008 22:02:39 ‹greengrunt› Damnit!
15/07/2008 22:02:45 ‹David› ooh that leaves .0006% chance you will
15/07/2008 22:03:01 ‹Daigle› Oh yeah, Knight...those were fun!
15/07/2008 22:03:01 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
15/07/2008 22:03:12 ‹Crimson Jester› Transformers = SpellJammer
15/07/2008 22:03:14 ‹Eyebite› So, you're saying there's a chance?
15/07/2008 22:03:14 ‹Hill Giant› 'night, all
15/07/2008 22:03:14 ‹Pygon› "PCs in the stairwell when the building transforms must make a Reflex DC 28 roll or be crushed between the merging staircases"
15/07/2008 22:03:23 ‹Nameless› Those are pretty good odds in the scheme of things. More astronomically improbable things have happened.
15/07/2008 22:03:25 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night HG!
15/07/2008 22:03:27 ‹greengrunt› :rofl: 2 Pyogn
15/07/2008 22:03:27 ‹Charles Evans› SIX ten thousandths of a chance of transformers...aurgh!
15/07/2008 22:03:28 ‹Eyebite› G'night HG
15/07/2008 22:03:31 ‹David› James Jacobs, what will you do with the issue number when you hit 200 and there is no way it will fit the way it does now?
15/07/2008 22:03:35 ‹Nameless› Night, Hill Giant!
15/07/2008 22:03:37 ‹greengrunt› Night HG
15/07/2008 22:03:39 ‹Justin Sluder› night HG
15/07/2008 22:03:44 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Hill Giant!
15/07/2008 22:03:46 ‹James Jacobs› Unless you count a dungeon that gets up and crawls around as a transforming construct... in which case that chance drops to 0.002%.
15/07/2008 22:03:52 ‹Charles Evans› Hang on.... THE RPG SUPERSTAR module has them in!
15/07/2008 22:03:54 ‹Absinth› Good night, HG
15/07/2008 22:04:08 ‹Pygon› what was the adventure long long ago with a gigantic walking robot?
15/07/2008 22:04:10 ‹Daigle› Getting better...
15/07/2008 22:04:13 ‹James Jacobs› David> We might drop the numbers from the spines well before we hit 100 issues.
15/07/2008 22:04:16 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:04:17 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:04:17 * Hill Giant quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:04:22 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes.
15/07/2008 22:04:22 ‹David› aww...
15/07/2008 22:04:24 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, isn't Christine Schneider's adventure going to include that?
15/07/2008 22:04:25 ‹greengrunt› Doomcrusher??
15/07/2008 22:04:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Earthshaker!
15/07/2008 22:04:34 ‹greengrunt› In World of Greyhawk??
15/07/2008 22:04:35 ‹Charles Evans› ](*,)
15/07/2008 22:04:44 ‹Crimson Jester› so the 4th adventure path is called?
15/07/2008 22:04:49 ‹Pygon› I'm not sure, I jsut remember a painting of a robot bashing a castle
15/07/2008 22:04:55 ‹greengrunt› That windmill that kept turning?
15/07/2008 22:04:55 ‹James Jacobs› Christine's adventure has a big construct. I'm not 100% convinced yet that it'll STAY in the adventure. The map she turned in for it is pretty neat, and did a lot to sell me on the concept.
15/07/2008 22:05:02 ‹yoda8myhead› Pygon, that was final fantasy 2
15/07/2008 22:05:07 ‹greengrunt› Turned out it was like a huge ass tank
15/07/2008 22:05:11 ‹Charles Evans› CJ: 'They're robots in disguise'
15/07/2008 22:05:12 * David pokes James with a pin
15/07/2008 22:05:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› Curse of the Rune of Darkness?
15/07/2008 22:05:20 ‹David› are you leaking yet?
15/07/2008 22:05:25 ‹James Jacobs› Her adventure outline, alas, as written for the rpg superstar, is about five times too epic/huge for a 32 page adventure. We'll need to pare things down a bit.
15/07/2008 22:05:27 ‹greengrunt› like from the game O.G.R.E.
15/07/2008 22:05:29 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pygon: There was a Companion or Masters module called Earthshaker! that's the one you're talking about.
15/07/2008 22:05:37 ‹Crimson Jester› AP4 "Robots in disguise"?
15/07/2008 22:05:41 ‹Justin Sluder› Pygon, yoda8myhead, but there is an adventure in Dungeon with a big contruct
15/07/2008 22:05:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› David, um . . . that's kind of personal . . . :)
15/07/2008 22:05:47 ‹Pygon› yoda - I'm talking 1983 here :)
15/07/2008 22:05:48 * Justin Sluder runs to find the issue
15/07/2008 22:05:51 ‹Eyebite› Heart of the Iron God was the giant robot adventure
15/07/2008 22:05:52 ‹Absinth› Castle d'Amberville? But I can't recall a robot...but that doesn't have to mean a thing. :coffee:
15/07/2008 22:05:54 ‹David› information...
15/07/2008 22:05:54 ‹Charles Evans› CJ: By the sopund of it, yes.
15/07/2008 22:06:08 ‹James Jacobs› Of course, the giant walking dungeon in Christine's adventure isn't really a transformer as much as it is just a dungeon built inside of a big monster.
15/07/2008 22:06:09 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: so you're the final editor on Christine's adventure?
15/07/2008 22:06:13 * Crimson Jester shivers
15/07/2008 22:06:14 ‹Pygon› Scribe - I'm not sure...
15/07/2008 22:06:22 * Rambling Scribe wonders if no one can see his posts...
15/07/2008 22:06:28 ‹Justin Sluder› Eyebite, :shakefist: you beat me to it
15/07/2008 22:06:35 ‹James Jacobs› Castle d'Amberville had the Colossus of Ylogreniwhatsit in it from Clark Ashton Smith's story.
15/07/2008 22:06:38 ‹Wyvern› I don't wanna know where the entrance to that "dungeon" is!
15/07/2008 22:06:43 ‹Eyebite› nope Scribe......totally invisible
15/07/2008 22:06:55 ‹Nameless› Wyvern> It's not the entrance you should worry about...
15/07/2008 22:06:57 * Absinth can see Rambling Scribe's posts
15/07/2008 22:07:03 ‹Daigle› I see Craig
15/07/2008 22:07:15 ‹Crimson Jester› well time for me to go
15/07/2008 22:07:19 ‹Crimson Jester› NIght all
15/07/2008 22:07:19 ‹Mothman› Wyvern: ewwww
15/07/2008 22:07:20 * garydee quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:07:20 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'm not the "final editor" for it, but I am the guy who has the "NO SUCK" lever and gets to veto lame stuff from adventures. Erik's got the lock for that lever, though.
15/07/2008 22:07:28 ‹ollibolli› good night CJ
15/07/2008 22:07:30 ‹James Jacobs› OK!
15/07/2008 22:07:30 ‹Charles Evans› Rambling Scribe: I see your posts; I just don't feel that I can usefully comment.
15/07/2008 22:07:31 ‹James Jacobs› Fine
15/07/2008 22:07:38 ‹Absinth› Thanks James, now I remember...
15/07/2008 22:07:40 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night CJ
15/07/2008 22:07:41 ‹James Jacobs› I'll leak the name of the 4th adventure path.
15/07/2008 22:07:45 ‹yoda8myhead› eeeeeeee
15/07/2008 22:07:48 * Pygon waits...
15/07/2008 22:07:49 ‹Nameless› Night, Crimson Jester!
15/07/2008 22:07:50 ‹Rambling Scribe› http://paizo.com/store/byCompa...tpy7mux
15/07/2008 22:07:51 ‹Absinth› Night, CJ!
15/07/2008 22:07:53 ‹KnightErrantJR› Leaking!
15/07/2008 22:07:53 ‹Crimson Jester› ok I cant leave yet then
15/07/2008 22:07:57 ‹Lilith› :squee::excite:
15/07/2008 22:07:55 ‹Daigle› Yay!
15/07/2008 22:07:59 ‹Charles Evans› Yoda: He's about to say 'next month'
15/07/2008 22:07:59 ‹James Jacobs› I already leaked the working title for it, so it's for the best to get people calling it by the REAL name ASAP, yeah?
15/07/2008 22:08:03 ‹Pygon› :excite:
15/07/2008 22:08:06 ‹greengrunt› "PCs will be walking through a monster's anus to gain entry in the dungeon.. PCs must make a DC 30 Reflex save or be expunged under a suffocating wave of poo if they do not reach the 'entrance' in 2d6 rounds"
15/07/2008 22:08:11 ‹Absinth› Yes! :)
15/07/2008 22:08:13 ‹Mothman› its a trap!
15/07/2008 22:08:14 ‹Rambling Scribe› That link is to Earhtshaker!
15/07/2008 22:08:17 ‹Eyebite› Yes, of course
15/07/2008 22:08:23 ‹Nameless› Rambling Scribe: Gotta love modules with exclamation points in the titles!
15/07/2008 22:08:30 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 = Legacy of Fire
15/07/2008 22:08:32 ‹Pygon› Scribe - YES! Thank you!
15/07/2008 22:08:37 ‹Rambling Scribe› Zactly, Nameless!
15/07/2008 22:08:37 ‹Crimson Jester› Woot
15/07/2008 22:08:38 ‹yoda8myhead› kaching!
15/07/2008 22:08:39 ‹Pygon› Excellent!
15/07/2008 22:08:39 ‹Eyebite› Nice
15/07/2008 22:08:41 ‹Wyvern› I worry about all entrances, didn't you see what almost happened to the Millenium Falcon?
15/07/2008 22:08:42 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: You do realise once you announce it the PostMonster has to put up a forum for it?
15/07/2008 22:08:42 ‹David› cool
15/07/2008 22:08:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ta da!
15/07/2008 22:08:45 ‹Lilith› :dance2:
15/07/2008 22:08:46 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pygon, no problem!
15/07/2008 22:08:48 ‹Mothman› Cool, sounds good
15/07/2008 22:08:49 ‹Daigle› Gentlemen...we have leakage!
15/07/2008 22:08:50 ‹ollibolli› catchy title
15/07/2008 22:08:55 ‹Charles Evans› Efreeeeeeeeti!
15/07/2008 22:08:57 ‹Mothman› Breach!
15/07/2008 22:09:02 ‹Crimson Jester› oh yeah
15/07/2008 22:09:10 ‹Justin Sluder› :dance::dance2::w00t::w00t:
15/07/2008 22:09:16 ‹Absinth› Legacy Of Fire?! Hmm...:D
15/07/2008 22:09:19 ‹Crimson Jester› Qadira???
15/07/2008 22:09:25 ‹Daigle› I dig it!
15/07/2008 22:09:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hey, that reminds me . . . is there a City of Brass in Golarions plane of Fire?
15/07/2008 22:09:26 ‹Charles Evans› Ah. And that was my last question.
15/07/2008 22:09:28 ‹yoda8myhead› and is PF18 titled Descent into Midnight like was mentioned before?
15/07/2008 22:09:31 ‹Pygon› wow, I haven't seen that picture in over 20 years. It's... changed...
15/07/2008 22:09:33 ‹popscythe› I'm thinking that several players would consider that religious assault
15/07/2008 22:09:35 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yes. Yes there is.
15/07/2008 22:09:37 ‹Charles Evans› IOn the Arabain
15/07/2008 22:09:47 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Yeah; PF 18 is "Descent into Midnight"
15/07/2008 22:10:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gigity
15/07/2008 22:10:07 ‹Crimson Jester› Arabian Knights like? and is it in Qadira?
15/07/2008 22:10:11 ‹Mothman› Reminds me of Trial by Fire: that had a desert setting and genies and elementals too....
15/07/2008 22:10:15 ‹David› http://paizo.com/paizo/message...yOfFire
15/07/2008 22:10:23 ‹greengrunt› Fire has nothing to do with going through a colossal monster's anus when said monster has eaten a spicy burrito with Tabasco Sauce an hour beforehand?
15/07/2008 22:10:26 ‹James Jacobs› AP4 is set in Katapesh. For the most part. 2 adventures are set... elsewhere. And yes, it is VERY Arabian Knights/Sinbad inspired.
15/07/2008 22:10:28 ‹Absinth› So, which AP will be the one where the PCs have to travel across the pole? Is this one still on your mind and will eventually be seen?
15/07/2008 22:10:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› Pygon: I didn't remember the goofy smile on the robot!
15/07/2008 22:10:33 ‹Pygon› cripes, David :)
15/07/2008 22:10:41 ‹David› what/?
15/07/2008 22:10:41 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Nope. If that were the plot, it would be: LEGACY OF HOTHOLE
15/07/2008 22:10:46 ‹Charles Evans› In the Arabian Nights there are djinn with the power to level cities, destroy armies, divert rivers, build palaces ina single night, etc. Does golarion have (evene one) such super-powered djinn?
15/07/2008 22:10:50 ‹greengrunt› :rofl:
15/07/2008 22:10:50 ‹Eyebite› Crikey...I just wet myself
15/07/2008 22:10:53 ‹Pygon› Scribe - I remember less sleakness and larger accessories
15/07/2008 22:10:54 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gack
15/07/2008 22:11:02 ‹yoda8myhead› David, it's on the wiki already too
15/07/2008 22:11:07 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> The one where they go over the north pole is probably gonna be AP6, I think. But that's still a bit in flux.
15/07/2008 22:11:09 ‹David› cool
15/07/2008 22:11:16 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yes, Golarion does.
15/07/2008 22:11:17 ‹Nameless› Alright, everyone, I'm out. For reals this time.
15/07/2008 22:11:24 ‹Pygon› gnite Nameless
15/07/2008 22:11:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Nameless
15/07/2008 22:11:30 ‹Daigle› Have a good evening Nameless!
15/07/2008 22:11:30 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya!
15/07/2008 22:11:33 ‹greengrunt› Night Nameless
15/07/2008 22:11:34 ‹Absinth› Bye, Nameless.
15/07/2008 22:11:34 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Nameless!
15/07/2008 22:11:37 ‹Crimson Jester› I will have to read Katapesh now in my gazateer
15/07/2008 22:11:44 ‹Crimson Jester› Night...........
15/07/2008 22:11:46 ‹Mothman› sseya Nameless
15/07/2008 22:11:50 ‹Justin Sluder› later Nameless
15/07/2008 22:11:51 ‹Nameless› Night, all!
15/07/2008 22:12:02 ‹Charles Evans› Ohhhh YES!. Finally, 'proper' djinn in D&D. :D
15/07/2008 22:12:13 ‹greengrunt› Katapesh.. Bazaar of the Bizarre
15/07/2008 22:12:19 ‹James Jacobs› Katapesh is the 2nd largest city in the Inner Sea region. And the nation itself has like the fewest tags of them all.
15/07/2008 22:12:23 ‹David› yoda8myhead, put some info in quick so i can put a link in my thread
15/07/2008 22:12:24 ‹Pygon› Yay Efreet Pashas and uh, what was the good guy called...
15/07/2008 22:12:25 ‹ollibolli› gn8 nameless
15/07/2008 22:12:30 ‹Charles Evans› If I pre-preorder AP#4, do get a mega discount? :D
15/07/2008 22:12:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Speaking of giving up Java Monsters, I'm so not giving them up tomorrow . . . man I need to start using these "naps" others speak of.
15/07/2008 22:12:38 ‹greengrunt› Anarchic plutocracy led by faceless, inhuman merchant league
15/07/2008 22:12:47 * Crimson Jester quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:12:54 * Nameless quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:12:54 * Nameless quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:12:56 ‹Mothman› James: Fewest tags? Like "Land of the ....."
15/07/2008 22:12:56 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> you get the normal discount, plus me pumping my fist in the air and making ape noises.
15/07/2008 22:13:10 ‹greengrunt› OHHHHH,,, Katapesh can be a nasty place
15/07/2008 22:13:12 ‹Charles Evans› Is it possible to order AP#4 yet?
15/07/2008 22:13:25 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Fewest tags = Only two locations are listed.
15/07/2008 22:13:27 ‹Absinth› So, can we expect a write-up about Katapesh in one of the AP 4 issues? Or will there be a Cities Of The Inner Sea like scource book?
15/07/2008 22:13:28 ‹Pygon› probably next week when Q1 is announced
15/07/2008 22:13:29 ‹greengrunt› this place is worse than Kaer Maga!!
15/07/2008 22:13:30 ‹David› aww i want thated second one...
15/07/2008 22:13:54 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Keep an eye out for when we reveal the 1st Quarter book titles! ALL WILL BE MADE CLEAR SOON!
15/07/2008 22:14:18 ‹Mothman› Ah, ok
15/07/2008 22:14:21 ‹Blazej› SOOOOOO!
15/07/2008 22:14:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› And then we will know . . . everything!
15/07/2008 22:14:24 ‹Eyebite› That was a really good spoiler....I approve heartily
15/07/2008 22:14:25 ‹Blazej› SOOOOOON!
15/07/2008 22:14:29 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And will I be able to place orders and pay by cheque/cash at Cen Con UK, since your director of marketing will be there?
15/07/2008 22:14:33 ‹ollibolli› so the waiting continues
15/07/2008 22:14:42 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, WHEEEEEN!?!?
15/07/2008 22:14:42 ‹Blazej› Froooooooooooost!
15/07/2008 22:14:43 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I suspect so, yeah.
15/07/2008 22:14:52 ‹Charles Evans› Gen Con UK, that is?
15/07/2008 22:14:59 ‹ollibolli› for Josh's announcent and forthe new book titles for Q1/2009
15/07/2008 22:15:03 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. We'll be selling all of the stuff there.
15/07/2008 22:15:05 ‹Charles Evans› :w00t:
15/07/2008 22:15:12 ‹Blazej› Or Seeeeeeeeeeeelf!
15/07/2008 22:15:17 ‹greengrunt› Aluum.. relentless golems powered by the eternally bound souls of aged slaves.. Nasty place this Katapesh.. I tell you
15/07/2008 22:15:18 ‹Blazej› Doesn't feel right,
15/07/2008 22:16:08 * Charles Evans copies from the chatroom in case he needs to produce evidence at a later date...
15/07/2008 22:16:19 * Blazej quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:16:19 ‹Justin Sluder› greengrunt, there are lots of "interesting" places in Golarion.
15/07/2008 22:16:40 * Absinth will use ALL WILL BE MADE CLEAR SOON as mantra for his yoga exercises
15/07/2008 22:16:43 ‹Pygon› James - is the Campaign Setting Table of Contents scheduled to go up tomorrow?
15/07/2008 22:16:59 ‹Charles Evans› real proper djinnn.... :dance2:
15/07/2008 22:17:06 ‹greengrunt› Yeah but this Katapesh.. If there's going to be an AP in this place... To quote from Jurassic Park.."Hold on to yer butts.."
15/07/2008 22:17:17 ‹yoda8myhead› and more precisely, will it go up tomorrow, or will we have to remind you huys?
15/07/2008 22:17:31 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> yup. it'll prolly go live at Midnight, I suspect. I sent it to the PostMonster.
15/07/2008 22:17:43 ‹Justin Sluder› I enjoy throwing paragons of virtue into pits of vice
15/07/2008 22:17:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Even more gigity
15/07/2008 22:17:53 ‹Pygon› ? you mean in 2.43356 hours?
15/07/2008 22:18:06 ‹Daigle› :lol:
15/07/2008 22:18:15 ‹Pygon› +/- .2
15/07/2008 22:18:26 ‹greengrunt› Repeating??
15/07/2008 22:18:43 ‹David› Pygon, less one hour...
15/07/2008 22:18:55 ‹Pygon› right, thank you. it's late here.
15/07/2008 22:19:00 ‹David› yup
15/07/2008 22:19:40 ‹David› yoda8myhead, thanks!
15/07/2008 22:20:14 * Charles Evans goes away to refresh his page....
15/07/2008 22:20:32 ‹ollibolli› I won't be able to come to genConUK
15/07/2008 22:20:52 ‹ollibolli› but are some Paizonians going to Das Spiel in Essen?
15/07/2008 22:20:56 ‹Eyebite› Alright guys, I have some stuff to get to. G'night all! Another great chat!
15/07/2008 22:21:04 ‹Pygon› gnite Eyebite
15/07/2008 22:21:04 ‹greengrunt› Night Eye
15/07/2008 22:21:05 ‹ollibolli› gn8 Eyebite
15/07/2008 22:21:11 ‹Justin Sluder› later Eyebite
15/07/2008 22:21:14 ‹Daigle› Have a great night Eyebite!
15/07/2008 22:21:17 * Charles Evans quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:21:23 ‹Blazej› Night Eyebite.
15/07/2008 22:21:35 ‹ollibolli› + I am really stoked about the translation announcement,James
15/07/2008 22:21:41 ‹Pygon› watch out for the Fligginflogger dragons.
15/07/2008 22:21:45 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure what our Essen plans are yet.
15/07/2008 22:21:53 ‹James Jacobs› And I knew you would be, ollibolli! :)
15/07/2008 22:21:58 ‹James Jacobs› Glad we finally got them off the ground!
15/07/2008 22:22:08 ‹greengrunt› Flagon Dragons! Get it right! :razz:
15/07/2008 22:22:21 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:22:28 ‹ollibolli› Erik won't go (sigh), it is just a perfet fit witht he Frankfurt Book Fair, as this is the location to manage foreign rights policies
15/07/2008 22:22:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Are the flagon dragons related to Valeros' cup on his belt?
15/07/2008 22:23:04 ‹greengrunt› Nah.. that cup isn't worthy of a flagon dragon's attention!
15/07/2008 22:23:06 ‹James Jacobs› It's also mostly a boardgame convention, isn't it?
15/07/2008 22:23:29 ‹ollibolli› more board game than RPG (+ comics and manga)
15/07/2008 22:23:49 ‹greengrunt› A true flagon.. if properly converted .. could be used as a bracer for an ogre sized creature!!
15/07/2008 22:24:01 ‹Absinth› But it's huge, James. It's Germany's biggest con.
15/07/2008 22:24:07 ‹ollibolli› but one hall is dedicated to RPG's + LARP and CCG's
15/07/2008 22:24:09 ‹James Jacobs› Oh, I know it's huge.
15/07/2008 22:24:20 ‹James Jacobs› It's the biggest boardgame con of them all, isn't it?
15/07/2008 22:24:27 ‹greengrunt› But a flagon dragon would be insulted if it noticed a flagon being using for such nefarious purposes
15/07/2008 22:24:27 ‹ollibolli› yepp
15/07/2008 22:25:02 ‹Absinth› Damn, I got up too late for the announcement! So, Could someone repost what has been said about the german translation?
22:25:27 ‹James Jacobs› There's a thread about it on our boards somewhere... but basically... the translation is now A GO.
15/07/2008 22:25:43 ‹ollibolli› Ulisses got the rights for the whole PAthfinder package
15/07/2008 22:25:44 ‹Absinth› Okay, I'll have a look. Thanks!
15/07/2008 22:25:51 ‹greengrunt› flagon dragon's have 2 breath weapons... their belch is considered as a breath weapon.. make a DC 20-40 Fort Save (depending on age) or do 1 of 2 things..
15/07/2008 22:26:04 ‹greengrunt› 1- You're flat out wasted
15/07/2008 22:26:19 ‹greengrunt› and 2- You're nauseated for about a week
15/07/2008 22:26:20 ‹Blazej› So wasted.
15/07/2008 22:26:25 ‹David› ha
15/07/2008 22:26:30 ‹Absinth› Wow, Ulysses seems to be expanding...
15/07/2008 22:26:32 ‹Blazej› Starting the day after?
15/07/2008 22:26:45 ‹greengrunt› :D
15/07/2008 22:26:51 ‹popscythe› windowlicker
15/07/2008 22:27:01 ‹ollibolli› they seem to lock in for the 3.5 + Pathfinder crowd
15/07/2008 22:28:01 ‹Absinth› Well, I hope they'll do it the right way. Didn't they release the german versions of the IK too?
15/07/2008 22:28:30 ‹Rambling Scribe› Here's the announcement thread: http://paizo.com/paizo/message...nounced
15/07/2008 22:29:01 ‹ollibolli› Character Guide so far
15/07/2008 22:29:07 ‹Charles Evans› Ollibolii: Hmmm. Does 4E D&D count as a 'board game', I wonder? :D
15/07/2008 22:29:08 ‹ollibolli› World Book is in the works
15/07/2008 22:29:31 ‹ollibolli› hmmm... good call Charles
15/07/2008 22:29:39 ‹ollibolli› maybe
15/07/2008 22:29:45 ‹James Jacobs› Amusing pun in there, Charles...
15/07/2008 22:29:55 ‹greengrunt› Flagon Dragon's only known weakness... It flees before the 4E core books
15/07/2008 22:30:04 ‹Rambling Scribe› Well, I'm a bit tired, and Reaper's Gale is calling my name.
15/07/2008 22:30:20 ‹greengrunt› RS> Awesome! hey enjoy it man!
15/07/2008 22:30:21 ‹Daigle› Have a good night, Scribbles.
15/07/2008 22:30:22 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'll see you alll next week, and maybe tomorrow!
15/07/2008 22:30:29 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe
15/07/2008 22:30:30 ‹greengrunt› Night RS
15/07/2008 22:30:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Take care RS
15/07/2008 22:30:33 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight Raqmbling Scribe.
15/07/2008 22:30:38 * popscythe quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:30:43 ‹ollibolli› gn8 craig
15/07/2008 22:30:43 ‹Rambling Scribe› Thanks Greengrunt, Good Night diggles!
15/07/2008 22:30:49 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night all!
15/07/2008 22:30:59 ‹greengrunt› Diggles... :rofl:
15/07/2008 22:31:01 ‹Charles Evans› Ack. Tyoing going again after that brief revival by a mug of :tea:.
15/07/2008 22:31:06 ‹Mothman› see you Scribe
15/07/2008 22:31:47 ‹Daigle› :P
15/07/2008 22:31:48 ‹Charles Evans› Blackberry piccking season starting soon for those of you who notice such thing.... And blackberries make JAM.
15/07/2008 22:31:53 ‹James Jacobs› OK! Drow druid statblock COMPLETE
15/07/2008 22:31:56 * Rambling Scribe quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:32:03 ‹Daigle› Hurrah!
15/07/2008 22:32:03 ‹yoda8myhead› let us see it!
15/07/2008 22:32:05 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, yay!
15/07/2008 22:32:12 ‹Pygon› vermin wildshape feat?
15/07/2008 22:32:18 ‹Daigle› yoda :lol: I was waiting for that
15/07/2008 22:32:22 ‹James Jacobs› It's in inDesign. Not Easy To Show Off.
15/07/2008 22:32:22 ‹Mothman› What level James? What animal companion does it have?
15/07/2008 22:32:26 ‹greengrunt› Yesssssesss.. Lets usss seeessss itsss precioussss
15/07/2008 22:32:28 ‹Daigle› vermin! vermin!
15/07/2008 22:32:30 ‹Charles Evans› I felt somewhat disappointed that Sean Connery trained Catherine Zeta Jones with strings and bells instead of Blackberry bushes.
15/07/2008 22:32:43 ‹James Jacobs› He's too low level to wildshape. 4th level. His animal companion is a giant gecko, thoguh.
15/07/2008 22:32:53 ‹yoda8myhead› James, I have a question about the setpiece adventures. How level dependent will they be? Could one run them later or earlier in the campaign with little or no conversion?
15/07/2008 22:32:55 ‹Pygon› Yasha will be pleased.
15/07/2008 22:32:59 ‹Pygon› and Luna
15/07/2008 22:33:04 ‹Samwise› lizards!
15/07/2008 22:33:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . I threw a drow druid at my players a couple of months back . . . a drow follower of Ghaunadaur . . .
15/07/2008 22:33:15 ‹yoda8myhead› James, just send me the inDesign file and I'll take a look
15/07/2008 22:33:17 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The set piece adventures will be the same level as the adventure for the same volume.
15/07/2008 22:33:18 ‹greengrunt› Catherine Zeta Jones.. smothered in blackberry juices... YUMMMMMY!!
15/07/2008 22:33:20 ‹Charles Evans› He has a giant gecko companion but is too low level to wildshape... Oh he's a druid, right, so he gets overpowered animal Companions.
15/07/2008 22:33:43 ‹James Jacobs› And they'll be in the same type of terrain/location as the adventure.
15/07/2008 22:34:04 ‹Lilith› Hooray! Set piece adventures! :dance2:
15/07/2008 22:34:16 ‹Charles Evans› greengrunt: umm well hot and bothered and severely prickled by those pointy buits blackberry bushes tend to have.
15/07/2008 22:34:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› Does his animal companion talk or sell insurance?
15/07/2008 22:34:32 ‹Charles Evans› buits=bits.
15/07/2008 22:34:44 ‹greengrunt› Sorry about that CZJ bit... I blame JJ with his Seoni commentary early in the chat :razz:
15/07/2008 22:34:44 ‹James Jacobs› Nope. His animal companion DOES bite though.
15/07/2008 22:34:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh.
15/07/2008 22:35:10 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Are we ever going to see a druid with an awakened plant companion?
15/07/2008 22:35:24 ‹Pygon› then he drags you up to the ceiling, drops you and jumps down and bites you again!
15/07/2008 22:35:39 ‹Charles Evans› I know there was that brazy dryad with a bonded Ironmaw back in the days of Dungeon...
15/07/2008 22:35:47 ‹Charles Evans› brazy=crazy
15/07/2008 22:36:00 ‹greengrunt› An awakened marijuana plant.. that is paranoid of being rolled up or stuffed into a BONG!! :razz:
15/07/2008 22:36:25 ‹Charles Evans› Amarantha, I think she was, and she had an agenda.
15/07/2008 22:36:27 ‹KnightErrantJR› I remember her . . . she was a warlock.
15/07/2008 22:36:34 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Maybe.
15/07/2008 22:36:54 ‹James Jacobs› That was a cool little adventure.
15/07/2008 22:36:59 * Zen quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:37:02 ‹James Jacobs› A perfect example of what a Short Adventure should be.
15/07/2008 22:37:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› I was thinking of using it as a high level playtest for Pathfinder sometime.
15/07/2008 22:37:28 ‹Charles Evans› It's just an amzingly twisted suprise for the PCs, when the giant fern they just walked past comes alive and starts to try to throattle them from the rear....
15/07/2008 22:37:53 ‹Charles Evans› Animal companions they see coming; plants not so much so.
15/07/2008 22:38:07 ‹greengrunt› Throattled from the rear.. is just downright embarassing :razz:
15/07/2008 22:38:20 ‹Charles Evans› Sorry, I meant throttled.
15/07/2008 22:38:27 ‹greengrunt› :D
15/07/2008 22:38:32 ‹Charles Evans› grabbed from behind and choked by a plant.
15/07/2008 22:38:52 ‹Charles Evans› There might even be some sort of contact poison depending on what sort of fern it was...
15/07/2008 22:39:09 ‹Charles Evans› Nasty spores sort of thing.
15/07/2008 22:39:15 ‹Charles Evans› (rhizomes?)
15/07/2008 22:39:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, James, love the "renamed" local flora and fauna so far in Pathfinder.
15/07/2008 22:39:45 ‹ollibolli› my players laughed about a huge summoned plant in a villa (Shadows in Freeport) because it filled out the complete room...
15/07/2008 22:39:45 ‹greengrunt› A tranibal NPC running around demanding that he suck out or wash away the poison!
15/07/2008 22:40:13 ‹ollibolli› firefoot fennec
15/07/2008 22:40:21 ‹greengrunt› Ok... sorry again :-&
15/07/2008 22:41:11 ‹Charles Evans› Ferns... coal.; Who mines coal on Golarion?
15/07/2008 22:41:18 ‹Charles Evans› Is there even any?
15/07/2008 22:41:22 ‹Daigle› Numeria!
15/07/2008 22:41:29 ‹Samwise› why wouldnt there be?
15/07/2008 22:41:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Hm . . . coal golem?
15/07/2008 22:41:41 ‹Charles Evans› And can Necromancers do interesting things with fossiliferous rocks?
15/07/2008 22:41:48 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Yay! Thanks! Renaming flora and fauna is a really nifty way to make things unique but familiar.
15/07/2008 22:42:14 ‹James Jacobs› There is coal on Golarion. Not much use to mine it though.
15/07/2008 22:42:29 ‹Samwise› not much use?
15/07/2008 22:42:32 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: too low grade (the coal)?
15/07/2008 22:42:36 ‹Samwise› dont they have furnaces?
15/07/2008 22:42:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Except for the coal golem . . . ;-)
15/07/2008 22:42:44 ‹James Jacobs› nah; no coal-powered machines, really.
15/07/2008 22:42:49 ‹Samwise› and steel?
15/07/2008 22:42:52 ‹James Jacobs› They could burn it in furnaces, though, I guess.
15/07/2008 22:43:02 ‹James Jacobs› Or use it in forges or whatever.
15/07/2008 22:43:13 ‹James Jacobs› yeah. there's plenty of coal, now that I think about it.
15/07/2008 22:43:18 ‹James Jacobs› Just no coal-powered engines.
15/07/2008 22:43:24 ‹greengrunt› ..Hrrmmm. the whatever being? :razz:
15/07/2008 22:43:25 ‹James Jacobs› There is indeed steel.
15/07/2008 22:43:39 ‹James Jacobs› Magic components and stuff is the whatever.
15/07/2008 22:43:54 ‹greengrunt› Powering coal-fired naval battleships?? :razz:
15/07/2008 22:43:55 ‹Pygon› you have to be so literal with this group...
15/07/2008 22:44:02 ‹James Jacobs› SO: Drow Weapons that melt in the sun: GOOD or BAD?
15/07/2008 22:44:05 ‹Samwise› if you want to make decent steel you are going to need coal
15/07/2008 22:44:15 ‹James Jacobs› Samwise> Then there is coal.
15/07/2008 22:44:26 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, BAD.
15/07/2008 22:44:27 ‹greengrunt› Melt.. kinda too Wizard of Ozzish
15/07/2008 22:44:31 ‹Daigle› I don't know about melt.
15/07/2008 22:44:32 ‹Samwise› well, technically you need coke, but coke is made from coal :-P
15/07/2008 22:44:37 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Bad, unless you are a DM trying to stop your PCs from looting the fallen.
15/07/2008 22:44:39 ‹Pygon› hmm, if they are decent weapons, better than usual, sure. The bad: all your good stuff melts when you are done with the path!
15/07/2008 22:44:44 ‹greengrunt› Rendered inoperable would be better
15/07/2008 22:44:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› Man, its been so long since I was thought about it, it doesn't seem "needed" anymore.
15/07/2008 22:44:52 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: Coal is not the only way to make hot fires in Golarion. The gas forges of Riddleport have their own methods...
15/07/2008 22:45:17 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Bad. Suppressed powers that work under the world is fine, but melting is "meh"
15/07/2008 22:45:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› I like the idea of magic items that don't work in the sunlight, or perhaps items that are just disenchanted in the light.
15/07/2008 22:45:31 ‹James Jacobs› Greg and I toyed with having melty drow weapons in Second Darkness... for now, there aren't any. I'm pretty sure there won't be, either.
15/07/2008 22:45:42 ‹James Jacobs› They're too tricksy to balance.
15/07/2008 22:45:44 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, the Chinese were tapping into natural gas wells with bamboo...is that something similar?
15/07/2008 22:45:46 ‹greengrunt› Or you could have the drow weapons turn into something else.. warped by the radiations of Golarion's sun??
15/07/2008 22:45:49 ‹Samwise› James>to me it would be more of a required evolutionary step unless you jump to a magi-tech setup
22:46:17 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> yeah; there's a crazy pocket of Magic Gas that the gas forges work on. They're the only forges in Varisia that burn hot enough to forge/smelt/work with adamantite.
15/07/2008 22:46:23 ‹James Jacobs› Only PUBLIC forges, that is.
15/07/2008 22:46:30 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, who's writing PF18?
15/07/2008 22:46:36 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, heh heh. :twisted:
15/07/2008 22:46:38 ‹James Jacobs› I'm sure some crazy smith wizard guy's got a hot-brand forge in his dungeon here and there...
15/07/2008 22:46:46 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Owen K. C. Stephens
15/07/2008 22:46:50 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: And who mines (and exports) coal? water transport (rivers, sea, canal systems) is the most efficient non-magical means of moving it. #
15/07/2008 22:46:51 ‹Mothman› James: melty drow weapons bad I think - maybe there are a few unique magic weapons that do so (but watch the players accuse you of shenanagins when their newly acquired magic weapons melt!)
15/07/2008 22:46:53 ‹yoda8myhead› cool
15/07/2008 22:47:10 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Dwarves, I guess. They like being dirty and chewing rocks and stuff.
15/07/2008 22:47:18 ‹Samwise› James>you might eventually come up with other methods of getting the several thousand degrees of heat, but unless its a jump to "pocket gates to the plane of fire" for every village blacksmith, at some point, someone, somewhere made a coke powered blast furnace
15/07/2008 22:47:26 ‹greengrunt› Dwarves chew rocks??
15/07/2008 22:47:37 ‹Samwise› i prefer the coal explanation :-P
15/07/2008 22:47:39 ‹James Jacobs› Why not?
15/07/2008 22:47:46 ‹James Jacobs› Dwarves are weird that way.
15/07/2008 22:47:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› Only to get the taste of the really bad ale out.
15/07/2008 22:47:51 ‹greengrunt› Does that mean elves chew bark?
15/07/2008 22:47:54 * Lilith will be running three games on Friday at GenCon...
15/07/2008 22:47:59 ‹James Jacobs› Elves chew awesomeness.
15/07/2008 22:48:06 ‹greengrunt› Orcs would chew well... other orcs
15/07/2008 22:48:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Drow chew the darkness.
15/07/2008 22:48:14 ‹Mothman› Which games you running Lilith?
15/07/2008 22:48:20 ‹Charles Evans› awesomeness being related to quinine, elves presumably chew bark then....
15/07/2008 22:48:30 ‹Lilith› Mothman, two Pathfinder Society games and Ascension of the Drow. :)
15/07/2008 22:48:35 ‹greengrunt› Goblins would chew... torches??
15/07/2008 22:48:41 ‹Mothman› halflings chew the fat
15/07/2008 22:48:47 ‹James Jacobs› Goblins chew whatever happens to be in their mouth.
15/07/2008 22:48:53 ‹Charles Evans› greengrunt: goblins EAT anything.
15/07/2008 22:48:54 ‹James Jacobs› Which is usually babies.
15/07/2008 22:49:05 ‹Pygon› and men in closets.
15/07/2008 22:49:07 ‹Mothman› Lilith: Cool: Psyched?
15/07/2008 22:49:08 ‹greengrunt› Gnomes chew.... grass?
15/07/2008 22:49:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› I've got seven events to run, but I don't know which ones they will be specifically.
15/07/2008 22:49:17 ‹Lilith› Mothman, Nervous...But psyched. :P
15/07/2008 22:49:22 ‹James Jacobs› Goblins get a kick out of the buzzing that a crying baby makes when you crunch him.
15/07/2008 22:49:29 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman!
15/07/2008 22:49:33 ‹James Jacobs› I just realized!
15/07/2008 22:49:33 ‹Pygon› ew.
15/07/2008 22:49:36 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gah!
15/07/2008 22:49:42 ‹James Jacobs› You're gonna be in an upcoming Pathfinder Bestiary!
15/07/2008 22:49:52 ‹Lilith› Go Mothman! :headbang:
15/07/2008 22:49:53 ‹greengrunt› Grats Moth!!
15/07/2008 22:49:56 ‹Blazej› Ha!
15/07/2008 22:49:59 ‹Mothman› Wow! Cool!
15/07/2008 22:50:04 ‹Charles Evans› ???
15/07/2008 22:50:06 ‹ollibolli› *G*
15/07/2008 22:50:07 ‹Justin Sluder› Mothman, :w00t:
15/07/2008 22:50:13 ‹James Jacobs› Or, at least, your namesake will be.
15/07/2008 22:50:14 ‹Mothman› I love it when I do that
15/07/2008 22:50:32 ‹Daigle› :D
15/07/2008 22:50:35 ‹James Jacobs› We just ordered a picture today of a mothman terrorizing some rube.
15/07/2008 22:50:42 ‹James Jacobs› OK
15/07/2008 22:50:43 ‹Pygon› does it flap its wings in your face and coat you with powder?
15/07/2008 22:50:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Will he make prophesies?
15/07/2008 22:50:44 ‹Fray› hahaha
15/07/2008 22:50:47 ‹Blazej› Ok?
15/07/2008 22:50:50 ‹Fray› Rube Eater
15/07/2008 22:50:56 ‹Mothman› Ha. When I entered the Open Call last year I was so tempted to do the Mothman as my new monster...
15/07/2008 22:50:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Last time I saw mothman stats was in Dark Matter . . .
15/07/2008 22:50:58 ‹Fray› CR = 2.33
15/07/2008 22:51:01 ‹James Jacobs› I am starting to hunger for some dinner. Time to head home...
15/07/2008 22:51:02 ‹greengrunt› Rubes.. will that be an NPC class in the Pathfinder Campaign Setting??
15/07/2008 22:51:07 ‹James Jacobs› Any last-minute questions?
15/07/2008 22:51:10 ‹Pygon› thanks a lot James
15/07/2008 22:51:19 ‹Blazej› Goodbye and goodluck Jacobs!
15/07/2008 22:51:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nope, but you
15/07/2008 22:51:33 ‹Daigle› Thanks for leaking the title!
15/07/2008 22:51:34 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Need PFS info! Crack the whip! :whip:
15/07/2008 22:51:37 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: If you have an industrial city somewhere, with lots of coal burning, ypu get all the potential fun of smogs, too if there's a river or lake nearby for moisture.... (which indstry also likes- lots of water)>
15/07/2008 22:51:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› Gack . . . accidental post
15/07/2008 22:51:50 ‹James Jacobs› Riddleport's got a little of that.
15/07/2008 22:51:51 ‹Lilith› Thank you tons for stopping by James. :D
15/07/2008 22:51:58 ‹yoda8myhead› no more questions James, you've been more than generous with information and fun tonight
15/07/2008 22:51:58 ‹greengrunt› Goblinoid Wars James??
15/07/2008 22:52:04 ‹James Jacobs› What about 'em?
15/07/2008 22:52:08 ‹Charles Evans› The PCs wandering around in a haze where they literally can't see the person standing in the next square....
15/07/2008 22:52:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thanks for all of the answers James, especially the high percentage of "positive" ones.
15/07/2008 22:52:09 ‹yoda8myhead› keep up the good work!
15/07/2008 22:52:14 ‹greengrunt› How many were there?
15/07/2008 22:52:15 ‹Mothman› Thanks James - enjoy your dinner
15/07/2008 22:52:16 ‹ollibolli› thanks James for your time
15/07/2008 22:52:21 ‹yoda8myhead› and make me some historical Golarion fiction
15/07/2008 22:52:25 ‹greengrunt› And was it confined to just Isger?
15/07/2008 22:52:34 ‹greengrunt› er.. were they rather
15/07/2008 22:52:47 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, thanks for stopping in. Enjoy dinner and get some rest, back to the pits for you tomorrow.
15/07/2008 22:53:00 * BM quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:53:08 * Justin Sluder hands James Jacobs a :beer: on his way out
15/07/2008 22:53:11 ‹James Jacobs› They were indeed Isger, but spilled into Andoran, I suspect. There were probably 3 or so. The Goblinoid Wars were something that kinda got mentioned as a throwaway reference and then not much more said.
15/07/2008 22:53:14 ‹Charles Evans› james Jacobs: enjoy Atlach-Nacha, if you're oplaying Kingsport Horror any time soon....:D
15/07/2008 22:53:21 ‹James Jacobs› ATLACH-NACHA!
15/07/2008 22:53:23 ‹Mothman› Oh James: how goes the LIBER DAEMONICUS OF ILAGVLAD: ORBACHSAB
15/07/2008 22:53:29 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
15/07/2008 22:53:30 ‹Charles Evans› That Ancient one is tough to get rid of.
15/07/2008 22:53:42 ‹James Jacobs› Haven't started that one yet, Mothman. Prolly never will. We'll see.
15/07/2008 22:53:52 ‹James Jacobs› It's easier to motivate myself to write stuff I'm gonna get paid for.
15/07/2008 22:53:52 ‹Pygon› Cthulhu ftaghn! (just started reading Lovecraft)
15/07/2008 22:53:56 ‹James Jacobs› And that's not that easy.
15/07/2008 22:53:57 ‹James Jacobs› YAY!
15/07/2008 22:54:02 ‹Mothman› Ah well.... fair enough!
15/07/2008 22:54:03 ‹greengrunt› Okies :razz: I tried :D Have a good nacht sir! And thanks for stopping as always... Enjoy your bloggin as well
15/07/2008 22:54:06 ‹Charles Evans› James Jacobs: You've seen the Kingsport version of the big spider?
15/07/2008 22:54:10 ‹Charles Evans› :)
15/07/2008 22:54:13 ‹James Jacobs› nope
15/07/2008 22:54:22 ‹James Jacobs› I've seen the CoC version and the Clark Ashton version thoguh.
15/07/2008 22:54:28 ‹Charles Evans› GATE BURSTS every time a mythos card comes up....
15/07/2008 22:54:29 * KnightErrantJR quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:54:30 ‹James Jacobs› OK! I'm outa here.
15/07/2008 22:54:35 ‹James Jacobs› Seeya all next time!
15/07/2008 22:54:40 * Fray quit (timeout)
15/07/2008 22:54:40 ‹greengrunt› Latahs!
15/07/2008 22:54:41 ‹Pygon› bye James!
15/07/2008 22:54:42 ‹Justin Sluder› g'night sir
15/07/2008 22:54:44 ‹Daigle› Have a great evening, James!
15/07/2008 22:54:48 ‹Mothman› bye
15/07/2008 22:54:51 ‹Charles Evans› It makes it almost impossible to win except by fighting Atlach Nacha, hand-to-hand.... :)
15/07/2008 22:54:55 * Russ is AFK changes his/her nickname to Russ
15/07/2008 22:54:59 ‹Russ› Aw - bye James
15/07/2008 22:54:59 ‹Charles Evans› Goodnight James Jacobs.
15/07/2008 22:55:28 ‹Lilith› Night James Jacobs! :glomp: :thug:
22:55:51 ‹Charles Evans› :cthulhu:
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Eyebite,
If you want "Russian doll" golems-within-golems, you might want to take a look at Dungeon Crawl Classics #50.
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Eyebite,
If you want "Russian doll" golems-within-golems, you might want to take a look at Dungeon Crawl Classics #50.
Hey! Thanks for the tip, I'll have to check that out.
. . . And just when I thought I had come up with something fresh and original too. ;)
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07/05/2008 03:58:02 ‹yoda8myhead› I image, but I didn't know if she was a writer who manages a company, or just a good businesswoman
07/05/2008 03:58:39 ‹Mr Baron› Did Lisa ever write, or has she always been the business person
I saw this question in the chat. I wish I had time to write some stuff, but the reality is that running a company is more than a full-time job. Perhaps in the future, I can dust off my pen and write something!
I have done a fair bit of writing in the past. I was one of the designers and developers for Ars Magica 1st and 2nd edition, the 1st edition of Vampire: The Masquerade, and I've written some adventures for both of those systems. In addition, I had articles in Dragon 196 and 200, and a couple articles in early Polyhedron magazines.
You can find a not complete listing of some of my credits here.
-Lisa
I was one of the designers and developers for Ars Magica 1st and 2nd edition, the 1st edition of Vampire: The Masquerade, and I've written some adventures for both of those systems.
Seriously? I am VERY impressed Lisa. I'm not being sarcastic, those products have had massive impact on the industry in terms of storytelling gaming.
I've always admired Ars Magica for being uncompromising in the sense that one player plays a wizard, with more power than the other players, but that that's beside the point of the game.
Well done you.
20:17:20 ‹Nameless› Russ, there's some pretty crazy stuff brewed in Quebec, worth a try if you can ever get your hands on it, from Unibroue.
22/07/2008 20:17:36 ‹Wolfshead› Hey, I'd take a pint of Belhaven over just about any American beer. But I haven't had any in years.
22/07/2008 20:17:38 * psymin didn't ever like psionics anyway.
22/07/2008 20:17:43 ‹Russ› But seriously. Come to Oregon. You will find good beer.
22/07/2008 20:17:44 ‹Rathendar› calendars are blurry things that are hard for me to pin numbers down with. i can accept 2 weeks as an addendum to my example ;)
22/07/2008 20:17:46 * Hill Giant joins Main
22/07/2008 20:17:50 ‹Uzzy› We are missing the important question about the Drow. Which is this.
22/07/2008 20:17:54 ‹David› hi HG
22/07/2008 20:17:55 ‹James Jacobs› When we do psionic stuff... it'll have to be in its own book.
22/07/2008 20:17:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Eh, psionics are cool, but they are a separate thing . . .
22/07/2008 20:17:59 ‹Pygon› hi Giant
22/07/2008 20:18:02 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya HG
22/07/2008 20:18:02 ‹David› psymin :shakefist:
22/07/2008 20:18:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› No need for them to be core at this point.
22/07/2008 20:18:10 ‹Nameless› Russ, if I ever make it out there, I will drink one for ya! Tell you how it stacks up!
22/07/2008 20:18:13 ‹Ross› That's true.
22/07/2008 20:18:15 ‹Mothman› James, will psionics feature in Second Darkness at all? (All those Intellect Devourers running around the Darklands)
22/07/2008 20:18:23 ‹Ross› I'm not a big fan of them myself, but I was curious.
22/07/2008 20:18:24 ‹Russ› You can't generalize about American beer, it is literally possible to get any style and quality here :)
22/07/2008 20:18:27 ‹Uzzy› Is Lesbian Domination rampant amongst the Drow? Cause, you know, that's how they've always been.
22/07/2008 20:18:32 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, good to hear. I like Psionics, but I definitely would like to see it as its own Handbook.
22/07/2008 20:18:35 ‹James Jacobs› The basic rules themselves are gonna make for a 500 to 600 page book as it is. Adding psionics would increase that wordcount by a couple hundred words.
22/07/2008 20:18:41 ‹Wyvern› Sam Adams ftw!
22/07/2008 20:18:42 ‹Hill Giant› hey, what'd I miss?
22/07/2008 20:18:42 ‹Rambling Scribe› Hi Hill Giant!
22/07/2008 20:18:45 ‹Daigle› Howdy Hill Giant!
22/07/2008 20:18:48 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> Yes; there will be psionic creatures here and there in Second Darknes.
22/07/2008 20:18:49 ‹Nameless› Hey, Hill Giant!
22/07/2008 20:18:51 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, I like psionics and trust Paizo to do them right when they get around to them.
22/07/2008 20:18:52 ‹Mothman› Hey HG
22/07/2008 20:18:53 ‹greengrunt› Hey HG
22/07/2008 20:18:59 ‹Russ› Sam Adams is in the "moderately better than Miller" camp
22/07/2008 20:19:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Uzzy, make that bi . . . give us sometihng to dream of . . . ;-)
22/07/2008 20:19:21 ‹Nameless› Russ, ot
22/07/2008 20:19:24 ‹James Jacobs› Uzzy> Lesbian Domination is rampant in parts of drow society, yes. I doubt there'll be much of that in Second Darkness, though.
22/07/2008 20:19:35 ‹Blazej› ....
22/07/2008 20:19:44 ‹Russ› Ok, that's different
22/07/2008 20:19:48 ‹Nameless› Russ, it's just that your *standard* beer is so weak... Therein lies the rub.
22/07/2008 20:20:03 ‹Blazej› I'll have to cross that off my list of phrases that I didn't think I would see in the chat.
22/07/2008 20:20:10 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 20:20:22 ‹Russ› Judging US beer by budweiser is like judging European food by what you find in England :)
22/07/2008 20:20:22 ‹Uzzy› That wasn't really a serious question. >.>
22/07/2008 20:20:23 ‹Wyvern› Sam Adams Red Irish is heaven in a bottle, followed close by Winter Lager.
22/07/2008 20:20:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› That reminds me of George Carlin's bits when he would say things that you've never heard before . . .
22/07/2008 20:20:32 ‹Pygon› that list must be getting rather small after having Nick here
22/07/2008 20:20:33 ‹Blazej› Lesbian Domination is rampant
22/07/2008 20:20:57 ‹Russ› "Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd"
22/07/2008 20:21:05 ‹Uzzy› Hey Lilith! I've got the next fanservice request. Seoni meets the Drow.
22/07/2008 20:21:06 ‹Ross› Russ, I hate you.
22/07/2008 20:21:13 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, I said "overrated" not worthless. I enjoy the occasional alcoholic or carbonated beverage.
22/07/2008 20:21:19 * Lilith joins Main
22/07/2008 20:21:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Lilith!
22/07/2008 20:21:27 ‹Blazej› Hello.
22/07/2008 20:21:28 ‹Pygon› hi Lilith
22/07/2008 20:21:31 ‹Rambling Scribe› Woah!
22/07/2008 20:21:33 ‹Lilith› Uzzy, Is that so Uzzy. ;)
22/07/2008 20:21:33 ‹greengrunt› Hi Lilith!
22/07/2008 20:21:34 ‹Daigle› James, I know that you've mentioned not being interested in remaking non OGL critters, but would you ever considered redoing your rhagodessa as a windscorpion or camel spider or soliphage or what not? Actually, am I right in guessing that was the inspiration?
22/07/2008 20:21:35 ‹Nameless› Heya, Lilith!
22/07/2008 20:21:36 ‹Ross› Pygon, Zon-Kuthon didn't help the list either.
22/07/2008 20:21:37 ‹Russ› "I know what you're going to say, ELmer was asking for it"
22/07/2008 20:21:38 ‹Daigle› Howdy Lilz!
22/07/2008 20:21:40 ‹Wyvern› Pants!
22/07/2008 20:21:45 ‹Nameless› Uzzy, you have poweful summoning powers!
22/07/2008 20:21:46 ‹Rambling Scribe› Uzzy, how'd you do that?
22/07/2008 20:21:46 ‹Uzzy› Yep. :P
22/07/2008 20:21:58 ‹Lilith› What's this about Oregon beer?
22/07/2008 20:22:10 ‹Wolfshead› Russ. Wrong. So wrong.
22/07/2008 20:22:16 ‹Mr Baron› Hey Lilith!
22/07/2008 20:22:22 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> There are lots of those types of creatures in the game already, in Tome of Horrors, actually. They live in the Darklands, and we've got a few of them showing up soon.
22/07/2008 20:22:26 ‹Lilith› JAMES!
22/07/2008 20:22:27 ‹Uzzy› I called upon the power of Fanservice, and Lilith appeared. It's quite impressive.
22/07/2008 20:22:30 ‹Hill Giant› Russ, "Squeal like a puh-puh-puh-pig" ?
22/07/2008 20:22:32 ‹Blazej› God, I think I will have to purge this chat session from my memory.
22/07/2008 20:22:41 ‹Daigle› Coolness!
22/07/2008 20:22:45 * Lilith runs over and cthulhu-glomps James Jacobs! :cthulhu::glomp:
22/07/2008 20:22:48 ‹Blazej› AGRH!
22/07/2008 20:22:53 ‹James Jacobs› The rhagodessa was actually a monster from the old basic rules back in the day. Ben Wootten gave it the camel spider mouth parts.
22/07/2008 20:23:05 ‹James Jacobs› LILITH!
22/07/2008 20:23:16 ‹KnightErrantJR› I remember the original rhagodessas . . .
20:23:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› I remember using them when we played in the school caffeteria after school.
22/07/2008 20:23:36 ‹James Jacobs› Porky Pig DOES have a prutty mouth... I'm just sayin.
22/07/2008 20:23:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Ah, good times.
22/07/2008 20:23:43 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :rofl:
22/07/2008 20:23:48 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, oh my.
22/07/2008 20:24:10 ‹Mr Baron› ick
22/07/2008 20:24:15 ‹James Jacobs› Did I kill the chat? I thought it was made of stronger stuff!
22/07/2008 20:24:23 ‹Blazej› I'm not.
22/07/2008 20:24:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . DR 10/Logue
22/07/2008 20:24:33 * Daigle isn't fazed.
22/07/2008 20:24:36 ‹JonShade› :shock:
22/07/2008 20:24:38 * Blazej changes his/her nickname to Blazej in the Fetal Position.
22/07/2008 20:24:44 ‹Pygon› I can't think of any other questions other than Q1 and the drow thing :(
22/07/2008 20:24:46 ‹psymin› (but Daigle's spelling is) :)
22/07/2008 20:24:48 * Lilith is still eating dinner...
22/07/2008 20:24:56 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'm setting up www.pfsrd.org as a Pathfinder reference after the Beta comes out. I'll be keeping it in private form until the Final (and the Pathfinder license) comes out. Would the Paizo staff like password access?
22/07/2008 20:25:01 ‹Lilith› Mmm...Porky Pig inna blanket. :P
22/07/2008 20:25:08 ‹Mr Baron› its almost lunch time for me
22/07/2008 20:25:26 * Justin Sluder thinks of worse things for fun
22/07/2008 20:25:28 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> Sure! Although I'm not sure how much time we'll have to check it out...
22/07/2008 20:25:35 ‹Daigle› psymin, isn't is spelled correctly
22/07/2008 20:25:42 ‹Hill Giant› James Jacobs, I've noticed the APs so far reveal the real villain slowly, ever thought about doing an AP where the PCs know what their climax is in advance?
22/07/2008 20:25:42 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› That's All Folks... That's All Folks... That's All Folks...
22/07/2008 20:25:43 ‹Daigle› :)
22/07/2008 20:25:49 * DM Charles Evans# joins Main
22/07/2008 20:25:51 ‹James Jacobs› Porky Pig could use a blanket, actually. he's always going around half-dressed and everything.
22/07/2008 20:26:03 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I'm not sure if you can answer this or not, but CD was asking earlier if the seminars at GenCon could be filmed or recorded.
22/07/2008 20:26:03 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, alright. I'll send out viewer access to the staff.
22/07/2008 20:26:08 * Nameless is disturbed.
22/07/2008 20:26:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› What's up with cartoon characters that wear shirts and not pants?
22/07/2008 20:26:25 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, hey it works for my FanService of Seoni! :D
22/07/2008 20:26:35 ‹Daigle› They don't have winkies.
22/07/2008 20:26:35 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, that's different
22/07/2008 20:26:39 ‹KnightErrantJR› Thats art!
22/07/2008 20:26:41 ‹Daigle› Howdy Charles!
22/07/2008 20:26:43 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> I'm not sure. Probably. There's usually a few folk in the audience with their fancy cameras and phones taking videos...
22/07/2008 20:26:47 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› And when they do wear clothes it is usually for the opposite sex.
22/07/2008 20:26:48 ‹KnightErrantJR› ;-)
22/07/2008 20:26:50 ‹greengrunt› Hey man... Porky Pig is a classic
22/07/2008 20:26:56 * JonShade changes his/her nickname to JonShade.going for a nightcap.
22/07/2008 20:26:58 ‹greengrunt› Hi DM Charles
22/07/2008 20:27:03 ‹DM Charles Evans#› James Jacobs: You never answered my email regarding LB1.
22/07/2008 20:27:13 ‹Nameless› Yeah, it's getting harder to stop people from recording things... Everything's a camera these days...
22/07/2008 20:27:19 * DM Charles Evans# changes his/her nickname to DM Charles Evans
22/07/2008 20:27:30 ‹James Jacobs› What was the question about LB1? And I probably didn't answer it because we were shipping PF 14 yesterday and the week before.
22/07/2008 20:27:30 * Justin Sluder is a camera
22/07/2008 20:27:47 ‹Uzzy› shipping PF14?
22/07/2008 20:27:48 ‹DM Charles Evans› James acobs: I inquired as to where the secret door in the ballroom in the baron's castle was, given that the data seemed to conflict with the map?
22/07/2008 20:27:53 * psymin counts on his fingers.
22/07/2008 20:27:55 ‹James Jacobs› I don't mind if the seminars are recorded, personally. Not sure about the rest of the chuckleheads what're gonna be on the panel...
22/07/2008 20:28:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Why does that remind me of that weird old Billy Idol video that he made after the motorcycle accident?
22/07/2008 20:28:23 ‹DM Charles Evans› The text says it's the NE corner, but the plan of the floor above would seem to indicate that it is in the SE corner.
22/07/2008 20:28:40 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I can't answer that, actually. I didn't have much to do with development or editing th e module. My guess is that it got left off the map by accident.
22/07/2008 20:28:41 ‹Pygon› don't look David!
22/07/2008 20:28:42 ‹DM Charles Evans› (The staircase wun parallel to the east wall)
22/07/2008 20:28:48 ‹Pygon› and Daigle! :P
22/07/2008 20:28:56 ‹DM Charles Evans› wun=runs
22/07/2008 20:29:02 ‹Nameless› DM Charles Evans, IIRC, Greg Vaughn answered that in a thread on the Paizo Boards... I don't have a link, though.
22/07/2008 20:29:21 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I'd go with the most logical choice, honestly. If it looks like it shoudl be in the SE corner, put it there.
22/07/2008 20:29:32 ‹KnightErrantJR› So James, did Hellboy II give you guys around the office any ideas to mine?
22/07/2008 20:29:44 ‹Daigle› Pygon, tell me when I can look again.
22/07/2008 20:29:46 ‹James Jacobs› LB1 was sort of a rocky production, in any event. So it doesn't surprise me that there's errors there.
22/07/2008 20:29:53 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› Toothfairies?
22/07/2008 20:29:54 ‹greengrunt› I wasn't too impressed with H2 actually
22/07/2008 20:29:54 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Part of the trouble is that (for whatever reason) the actual secret door which accesses the staircase was never marked on the map.
22/07/2008 20:30:08 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Sure! Everything Guillarmo del Toro touches creates ideas, actually.
22/07/2008 20:30:16 ‹Pygon› grunt - better than H1 at least?
22/07/2008 20:30:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Loved the tooth fairies . . .
22/07/2008 20:30:30 ‹James Jacobs› I loved Hellboy 2. Second best movie of the year, after Cloverfield.
22/07/2008 20:30:36 ‹Justin Sluder› not exactly a new idea, but how about mecha-liches who instead of a new body just pull themselves back together
22/07/2008 20:30:39 ‹greengrunt› Meh... I'd say Hellboy was better
22/07/2008 20:30:50 ‹KnightErrantJR› And Nuada could kick Drizzts ass five ways from Sunday . . .
22/07/2008 20:30:51 ‹Pygon› Daigle - I think it's clear now...
22/07/2008 20:30:56 ‹DM Charles Evans› James JAcobs: Ho much had tio be cut from LB1 due to page count? I was expecting something with a lot more awesome plots squeezed in than it actually ended up with, from some ideas Steve was bouncign around here one evening.
22/07/2008 20:31:03 ‹James Jacobs› I'm amused that me putting The Dark Knight at #5 of the year so far basically seems to equal me hating the movie...
22/07/2008 20:31:30 ‹Justin Sluder› Hellboy 2 FTW!!! Cloverfield made me physically sick :-&
22/07/2008 20:31:34 ‹Mr Baron› What were your top 5 again?
22/07/2008 20:31:34 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› There are lots of good movies this year!
22/07/2008 20:31:40 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, ha! I know how you feel... It seems no-one is allowed to have negative views of that movie.
22/07/2008 20:31:47 ‹yoda8myhead› James, does the new two column module layout allow more words than before? I also noticed less art it seemed
22/07/2008 20:31:49 ‹greengrunt› JJ- you haven't blogged in a while on Bigfoor have you?
22/07/2008 20:32:02 ‹Wyvern› If it's not #1 you hate it. #2 is already an insult!
22/07/2008 20:32:02 ‹greengrunt› er.. Bigfoot Country
22/07/2008 20:32:04 ‹psymin› How's the new Customer Service rep working out so far?
22/07/2008 20:32:05 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Steve did indeed overwrite LB1, and we changed the layout for the modules at the same time, so it was pretty messed up. Compounding that was the fact that the person in charge of the module left the company at about the same time and we had to scramble to pick up the pieces.
22/07/2008 20:32:05 ‹Mr Baron› Justin - you did not like cloverfield?
22/07/2008 20:32:09 ‹David› Pygon, can i look?
22/07/2008 20:32:10 ‹DM Charles Evans› Cd: I'm still thinking about what to post to you... I may need to sleep on it. :(
22/07/2008 20:32:16 ‹James Jacobs› I just blogged a few things today, greengrunt.
22/07/2008 20:32:17 ‹Pygon› David - I guess so :)
22/07/2008 20:32:38 ‹greengrunt› JJ- Really?? ... Crap!
22/07/2008 20:32:40 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, computer BOOM!
22/07/2008 20:32:42 ‹James Jacobs› But basically, if you see me not blogging for a week or two, that's a good way to tell that something crazy's happening and I have to work more than normal to make Pathfinder go.
22/07/2008 20:32:53 ‹Mr Baron› James - what's your blog address?
22/07/2008 20:32:54 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Someone walked out of Paizo? :shock:
22/07/2008 20:33:03 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, Was McArctor in charge of the module?
22/07/2008 20:33:13 ‹Justin Sluder› Mr Baron, aside from the throwing up it was good, but the throwing up almost made me ask for my money back
22/07/2008 20:33:14 ‹Justin Sluder› almost
22/07/2008 20:33:17 * DM Charles Evans waonders why Czarina was in charge of LB1.... :D
22/07/2008 20:33:20 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> The two-column layout actually allows a little bit less words, actually, but it allows for a LOT more elegant layout and just looks better.
22/07/2008 20:33:24 ‹yoda8myhead› DM Charles Evans, Mike left and Jeremy left before that
22/07/2008 20:33:35 ‹James Jacobs› McArtor was not in charge of the modules, no.
22/07/2008 20:33:45 ‹Mr Baron› it was the jerky camera stuff?
22/07/2008 20:33:50 ‹Ross› So who left?
22/07/2008 20:33:52 ‹Nameless› Agreed, I do like the new layout for the modules. It's got a pretty appealing look.
22/07/2008 20:34:03 ‹yoda8myhead› Did Erik leave?
22/07/2008 20:34:07 ‹James Jacobs› Jeremy was. He left the company before LB1 was done and we had to play some catch up with not much time to do so.
22/07/2008 20:34:10 ‹James Jacobs› Erik's still here.
22/07/2008 20:34:11 ‹Ross› I'll agree on the new Layout, by the way. It looks much cleaner.
22/07/2008 20:34:14 ‹Justin Sluder› Mr Baron, yep
22/07/2008 20:34:19 ‹Mr Baron› gotcha
22/07/2008 20:34:27 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah; two column layout = MUCH nicer.
22/07/2008 20:34:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik is hard wired into the system . . . :lol:
22/07/2008 20:34:36 ‹yoda8myhead› where did jeremy go, btw?
22/07/2008 20:34:49 ‹Justin Sluder› Mr Baron, and I can handle a lot. I'm a postal carrier and pizza man
22/07/2008 20:34:56 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not sure where Jeremy went. I think he's working at some place in Seattle or something.
22/07/2008 20:34:56 ‹Mr Baron› lol
22/07/2008 20:35:16 ‹Pygon› I didn't know someone else left :neutral:
22/07/2008 20:35:17 ‹DM Charles Evans› Nintendo?
22/07/2008 20:35:50 ‹James Jacobs› Jeremy left a few months ago, actually.
22/07/2008 20:36:20 ‹yoda8myhead› he seemed to be very behind-the-scenes, since he had virtually no writing credits, but was always editing
22/07/2008 20:36:43 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: someone (veector, I think) posted a thread on the off-topic area of he Paizo boards, from the Hasbro 2007 annual report (I think) where Hasbro were stating that they maybe need to get mre litigious t protect their IP.
22/07/2008 20:36:43 ‹KnightErrantJR› So James . . . I know that you guys are being very concientious about avoiding similar monsters that aren't SRD, but is there any chance we'll ever see a Dread Lich Dragon?
22/07/2008 20:36:44 ‹James Jacobs› Not everyone at Paizo's a writer, of course.
22/07/2008 20:36:44 * Ross quit (timeout)
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22/07/2008 20:36:53 ‹Pygon› James - do you like how Second Darkness is coming together?
22/07/2008 20:37:15 ‹greengrunt› I think I would make a good lackey at Paizo :-k
22/07/2008 20:37:19 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Wouldn't surprise me; yet another reason it's good to put some distance between WotC and avoid the GSL, as far as I'm concerned.
22/07/2008 20:37:32 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, so do we all
22/07/2008 20:37:41 ‹DM Charles Evans› Another poster commented that Hasbro may be more interested at preent in protecting Scrabbl from some online program than D&D, but the shadow is hovering there, in the wings.
22/07/2008 20:37:47 ‹greengrunt› ..or.. as some people would say.. "Serf?"
20:37:59 ‹DM Charles Evans› Scrabbl=Scrabble
22/07/2008 20:38:05 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> There will be undead dragons in Golarion eventually. That's not really in the same category as something like a mind flayer or a beholder; it's a pretty logical idea that predates D&D.
22/07/2008 20:38:08 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, promote yourself to "Minion" :)
22/07/2008 20:38:23 ‹cappadocius› man, I let people badmouth Psionics?
22/07/2008 20:38:26 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, you've said that a Pathfinder video game wouldn't be out of the question, but doesn't the OGL restrict using D&D mechanics in video games?
22/07/2008 20:38:29 * cappadocius hangs his head in shame.
22/07/2008 20:38:34 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh . . . dragon liches make sense, so I hoped you wouldn't have been quite THAT safe . . .
22/07/2008 20:38:36 * Justin Sluder :wizfire: GSL
22/07/2008 20:38:41 ‹psymin› cappadocius> Yup
22/07/2008 20:38:51 ‹Nameless› Some of the classic stuff being re-done is pretty great. That demilich in Scarwell is going to destroy my future party, I'm betting.
22/07/2008 20:38:57 ‹James Jacobs› Pygon> I do; it's kinda rough getting Second Darkness going, but it's turning out pretty neat. The problem of course is that we ran late on assignments due to the unsure nature of the future of the game last year.
22/07/2008 20:39:01 ‹greengrunt› Lilith- I can promote myself?
22/07/2008 20:39:17 ‹Pygon› I'm really looking forward to checking it out.
22/07/2008 20:39:21 ‹DM Charles Evans› james Jacobs: By the way, hve the Paizo staff noticed that the Seven (classic) Thassilonian Runelords all appear to ahve risen, and are now active on the Paizo boards, along with a few hangers on... ?
22/07/2008 20:39:29 ‹Lilith› greengrunt, I give you permission. :)
22/07/2008 20:39:29 ‹James Jacobs› Hasbro HAS been pretty hard core with the scrabble smashdowns...
22/07/2008 20:39:41 ‹yoda8myhead› greengrunt, the Runelord of Sloth is collecting minions on the Runelord Roundtable thread
22/07/2008 20:39:45 ‹greengrunt› scrabble smashdowns??
22/07/2008 20:40:00 ‹psymin› greengrunt> facebook apps, etc
22/07/2008 20:40:18 ‹DM Charles Evans› greengrunt: The runelord of Lust is also happy to ake on minions though, I hear...
22/07/2008 20:40:33 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> The d20 license restricts it, but I'm not sure the OGL does.
22/07/2008 20:40:42 * Timitius joins Main
22/07/2008 20:40:54 ‹Daigle› Tim!!
22/07/2008 20:40:56 ‹Lilith› TIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEH! :glomp::thug:
22/07/2008 20:41:01 ‹DM Charles Evans› And (although Lust is usually opposed to greed) hear that the runelord of Lust may have COOKIES as a secret weapon. :D
22/07/2008 20:41:05 ‹greengrunt› Hiya Tim
22/07/2008 20:41:15 ‹DM Charles Evans› Good evening timitius.
22/07/2008 20:41:17 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, and the d20 license is no more, right?
22/07/2008 20:41:17 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› Hello Tim.
22/07/2008 20:41:18 ‹Timitius› Daigle, my Cajun brother!
22/07/2008 20:41:21 ‹Hill Giant› You could make a Pathfinder video game that doesn't use d20 rules...
22/07/2008 20:41:28 ‹greengrunt› Lust... Hmm... Tis a double edged sword that one
22/07/2008 20:41:29 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Timitius
22/07/2008 20:41:31 ‹Timitius› Lilz! :hugs:
22/07/2008 20:41:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Of course, since video games kind of handle so much "automatically," its pretty easy to have "health" and "defensive bonus" and the like.
22/07/2008 20:41:40 ‹Daigle› How've you been, Tim?
22/07/2008 20:42:02 ‹Timitius› Greengrunt, Chuck! Justin! EVERYONE! Hello!
22/07/2008 20:42:05 ‹molrak› The OGL specifically mentions translations as derivative works, including into other computer languages.
22/07/2008 20:42:05 ‹Rambling Scribe› Gah! computer froze!
22/07/2008 20:42:12 ‹Pygon› greetings Tim
22/07/2008 20:42:17 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Yup. d20 license is gone. We never did anything under that licencse, thankfully.
22/07/2008 20:42:18 ‹Timitius› Daigle, pretty good. Pretty good.
22/07/2008 20:42:24 ‹Nameless› WB, Rambling Scribe
22/07/2008 20:42:24 ‹Timitius› Heya Pygon!
22/07/2008 20:42:29 ‹Nameless› Hey, Tim!
22/07/2008 20:42:38 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› I would suggest a Pathfinder video game not automatically use d20 rules.
22/07/2008 20:42:40 ‹Timitius› Oh, dear gods.....I'm pink.
22/07/2008 20:42:52 ‹Mr Baron› James - any rumors you can share?
22/07/2008 20:42:54 ‹James Jacobs› Anyway, Knights of the Old Republic used those rules, so there's certainly precedent.
22/07/2008 20:42:55 ‹KnightErrantJR› Only to yourself
22/07/2008 20:42:58 ‹Justin Sluder› Timitius, you're purplish to me
22/07/2008 20:43:03 ‹Timitius› Hey you who will remain Nameless,
22/07/2008 20:43:08 ‹Pygon› good point
22/07/2008 20:43:08 ‹Mr Baron› he is purple
22/07/2008 20:43:15 ‹greengrunt› Wish I could attend those Paizo writing seminars... Crap on a stick!
22/07/2008 20:43:23 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› James Jacobs, weren't they under a license though?
22/07/2008 20:43:23 ‹Mr Baron› GG is pink
22/07/2008 20:43:25 ‹James Jacobs› No rumors I can think of...
22/07/2008 20:43:26 ‹David› Timitius, your purple
22/07/2008 20:43:27 ‹Nameless› Timitius, that's right, you don't get to know my name. And you're lucky for it. Mwaha.
22/07/2008 20:43:31 ‹James Jacobs› Blazej> Dunno.
22/07/2008 20:43:33 ‹psymin› writing seminars? *searches forum*
22/07/2008 20:43:38 ‹yoda8myhead› DM Charles Evans, baking cookies is so much work
22/07/2008 20:43:40 ‹BM› Besides, you can't Copyright rules*
22/07/2008 20:43:46 ‹David› JJ is pink...
22/07/2008 20:43:46 ‹James Jacobs› They didn't have any WotC or Hasbro logos on that game at all.
22/07/2008 20:43:49 ‹greengrunt› Damn .. so my gray is a pink??
22/07/2008 20:44:01 ‹David› greengrunt, your orangee
22/07/2008 20:44:11 ‹Timitius› Well, I feel better then. Purplish....pink. The only diff is the amount of oxygen.
22/07/2008 20:44:14 ‹Nameless› James Jacobs, good point. Can't say I read the credits with a fine-toothed comb, though. Too pleased with the ending...
22/07/2008 20:44:23 ‹Mothman› James, there's a grand tradition of some of the regular Paizo writers (particularly Nick, Richard Pett and Greg V) sniping at each other within the modules they're writing. Do you editor types generally pick this up during the process (and quietly chuckle) or does it come as a surprise to you when fans notice something in the module?
22/07/2008 20:44:23 ‹greengrunt› :D
22/07/2008 20:44:24 ‹Mr Baron› JJ looks gray to me
22/07/2008 20:44:24 ‹DM Charles Evans› yoda: The Runelord of Sloth may have a problem there, then, as minions aren't usually any good at baking...D
22/07/2008 20:44:26 ‹Justin Sluder› David, no JJ is orange
22/07/2008 20:44:43 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, access to pfsrd.org should be granted.
22/07/2008 20:44:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› I still have to play through it again to see the "angry underwear" that I missed the first time.
22/07/2008 20:44:57 ‹David› Justin Sluder, nah he is definately squint to read pink
22/07/2008 20:45:09 ‹BM› JJ is purple, and the rest of you in pastels.
22/07/2008 20:45:12 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> We do pick up the snipes. And usually we cut them out. I think that the one Greg threw into Scarwall's the last one I'm gonna let in, actually. It's cute once. Not ten times.
22/07/2008 20:45:17 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, I wasn't aware it was a d20 engine powering KotOR
22/07/2008 20:45:26 ‹Timitius› JJ is quite maroon to me.
22/07/2008 20:45:27 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> thanks! I'll spread the word on Thursday.
22/07/2008 20:45:49 ‹Timitius› Note, he is the color maroon....not a maroon. :D
22/07/2008 20:45:51 ‹James Jacobs› yoda> It's VERY similar to the d20 rules in KotOR. Prestige classes, same stats, feats and abilitiy scores, etc.
22/07/2008 20:45:52 * Wolfshead quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 20:45:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› yoda8myhead, It was the same engine as Neverwinter Nights
22/07/2008 20:45:58 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I granted access to every email on the Paizo contact list. I'm sure they'll notice.
22/07/2008 20:46:03 ‹Mothman› James: I haven't gotten up to the one in Scarwall yet, but someone mentioned it earlier on the chat ... they mostly pass me by on first reading...
22/07/2008 20:46:06 ‹Uzzy› James, the release schedule for next month looks intimidating. There are two modules, the map folio, the second darkness companion and the campaign setting book all out in early august, going by the official release schedule. Are we going to get all those at once?
22/07/2008 20:46:20 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How can you put an end to the Pett-ogue feud? It is (or was, at least before Logue employed Pett in a move of fiendish brilliance) a rivalry of EPIC proportions.... :D
22/07/2008 20:46:38 * Nameless is hoping his FLGS carries PFRPG Beta.
22/07/2008 20:46:43 ‹James Jacobs› Uzzy> Yup. We put out about 1,200 pages of product there. Getting all that done and to the printer nearly killed us.
22/07/2008 20:46:46 ‹Mr Baron› I will have to re-look at Scarwall to find the snipe
22/07/2008 20:46:47 ‹BM› Which should be no surprise on KotOR. Bioware also made NWN.
22/07/2008 20:46:59 ‹DM Charles Evans› (L)ogue feud?
22/07/2008 20:47:01 ‹Ross› What was the snipe in Scarwall?
22/07/2008 20:47:23 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, you overachievers, you. ;-)
22/07/2008 20:47:26 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Pett and Logue are free to snipe at each other all they want on messageboards. But Pathfinder's not the place to carry that on for long.
22/07/2008 20:47:38 ‹Uzzy› That's very impressive for a small(ish) company. Are we customers going to get all that shipped at once though?
22/07/2008 20:47:46 ‹James Jacobs› The scarwall snipe was the two ghosts in the wandering monsters.
22/07/2008 20:48:04 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, can I have access?
22/07/2008 20:48:10 ‹James Jacobs› Uzzy> I have no idea. I suspect it could happen if you've got subscriptions to everything and have it set up to consolodate orders.
22/07/2008 20:48:14 ‹Mr Baron› looking that up
22/07/2008 20:48:22 ‹greengrunt› JJ- Law down the law ( I am the lawgiver!! Did you see me lay down the LAW!?)
22/07/2008 20:48:29 ‹Russ› James - figured that was a gag
22/07/2008 20:48:49 ‹Russ› I assumed the demented actor guy in Escape was Logue
22/07/2008 20:48:50 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, are you running a Beta test?
22/07/2008 20:49:07 ‹psymin› Ross> Alpha 3, but he's planning on beta when it comes out
22/07/2008 20:49:14 ‹Uzzy› Cause that'd be one expensive shipment! Ah well. I'll look at the options for orders.
22/07/2008 20:49:15 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jaocbs: I see the Pett/Logue as being friendly... of course if ninjas descend upon Logue this smmer, when he is in the UK, and carry him off north to the depths of Sherwood Forest, I may have to revise that opinion... :D
22/07/2008 20:49:26 ‹David› Pygon and Daigle and Lilith are we going beta?
22/07/2008 20:49:27 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Might have been.
22/07/2008 20:49:40 ‹Ross› Yoda, what's your email address?
22/07/2008 20:49:46 ‹Pygon› David - the general consensus is we convert when it's available
22/07/2008 20:49:54 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, the Pett/Logue thing IS friendly. They enjoy the attention.
22/07/2008 20:49:55 * Daigle nods
22/07/2008 20:49:57 ‹yoda8myhead› Ross, yoda8myhead@pathfinderwiki.com
22/07/2008 20:50:04 ‹David› cool
22/07/2008 20:50:05 ‹Mr Baron› ah ha! I see it!
22/07/2008 20:50:11 ‹Uzzy› Just why would Logue get carried off by ninjas to Sherwood Forest? >.>
22/07/2008 20:50:12 ‹Mothman› They love each other, secretly....
22/07/2008 20:50:26 ‹Lilith› Mothman, it's a mad passionate love. :P
22/07/2008 20:50:33 ‹greengrunt› TMI MOth
22/07/2008 20:50:41 ‹Mothman› Emphasis on Mad
22/07/2008 20:50:43 ‹DM Charles Evans› Uzzy: There s a rumour that Pett lives somewhere ina secret hideout close to Nottingham....
22/07/2008 20:50:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› That involes implements . . .
22/07/2008 20:50:49 ‹Ross› yoda8myhead, done.
22/07/2008 20:50:56 ‹Russ› I wish I could quit you...
22/07/2008 20:51:01 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a lawyer... but I suspect, in any case, we could update the OGL to work for the Pathfinder RPG and change it to allow us to do video games.
22/07/2008 20:51:02 ‹Timitius› :swoon: :lick: :love: *heart* :stabbity: :slap: Kind of love
22/07/2008 20:51:05 ‹greengrunt› (I'm not listening! I'm not listening!)
22/07/2008 20:51:05 ‹psymin› Ross> me too :), you've got my addy
22/07/2008 20:51:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, YAY!!!! :love:
22/07/2008 20:51:10 ‹Ross› Keep in mind that they will not be any content until 1)Beta is available 2) I hand-enter all of it.
22/07/2008 20:51:16 ‹James Jacobs› We'd have to put the OGL in the game somewhere though. Not sure.
22/07/2008 20:51:38 ‹DM Charles Evans› Pacman with Runelords?
22/07/2008 20:51:39 ‹BM› Come to think of it James Jacobs, while I know that you're waiting for Gen Con to release the Print Copy of the Beta, is there any chance we're going to get the PDF version before then? (As in a week or two?)
22/07/2008 20:51:49 ‹David› James Jacobs, in a in gsme book!
22/07/2008 20:51:56 ‹KnightErrantJR› Personally, I'm not much interested in D&D licensed products that are video games that aren't RPGs . . .
22/07/2008 20:52:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Same would go for Pathfinder
22/07/2008 20:52:15 ‹Lilith› KnightErrantJR, awww...:cry:
22/07/2008 20:52:33 ‹molrak› Just run the OGL at the end of the credits
22/07/2008 20:52:44 ‹psymin› KnightErrantJR> how about an online gambling site where people play Harrow all day?
22/07/2008 20:52:47 ‹Pygon› if it's turn based I'd be all over it.
22/07/2008 20:52:52 ‹KnightErrantJR› Okay, that's different
22/07/2008 20:52:53 ‹James Jacobs› But yeah, there are some tricky bits with the OGL and doing movies, novels, video games, and the like. We'll be testing the waters there with the novels since we aren't going to include the OGL in them.
22/07/2008 20:52:54 ‹Nameless› Well, I'm out for tonight. Enjoy your chatting, everyone!
22/07/2008 20:52:54 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› Hmm...
22/07/2008 20:52:54 ‹Justin Sluder› molrak, in a Star Wars fashion?
22/07/2008 20:52:54 ‹Mothman› You find pieces of the OGL as you go, like a quest
22/07/2008 20:52:56 ‹yoda8myhead› or on the load page at startup
22/07/2008 20:52:58 ‹Timitius› KnightErrantJR, but you are the guy posting that NWN2 was pointless to play.
22/07/2008 20:53:06 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› That would be cool psymin.
22/07/2008 20:53:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› Huh?
22/07/2008 20:53:13 ‹Pygon› gnite Nameless
22/07/2008 20:53:16 ‹James Jacobs› BM> The PDF Beta will be available when Gen Con's print copies are available.
22/07/2008 20:53:22 ‹Justin Sluder› Nameless, later, sleep well
22/07/2008 20:53:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› When did I do that?
22/07/2008 20:53:27 ‹DM Charles Evans› oodnight Nameless.
22/07/2008 20:53:31 * Skeld joins Main
22/07/2008 20:53:34 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Nameless
22/07/2008 20:53:42 ‹Timitius› Wait. Or was that farewell2kings?
22/07/2008 20:53:42 ‹David› nite nameless
22/07/2008 20:53:43 ‹greengrunt› Hi Skeld
22/07/2008 20:53:44 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Skeld
22/07/2008 20:53:52 ‹Mothman› James, say you guys hypothetically did a movie at some point in the future ... how could you ensure that the Golarion movie would not suck despite the great souce material (D&D movie anyone? Dragonlance?)
22/07/2008 20:53:52 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night Nameless!
22/07/2008 20:53:53 ‹greengrunt› Night Nameless
22/07/2008 20:54:00 ‹DM Charles Evans› James JAcobs: Any information that is fresh on Legacy of Fire?
22/07/2008 20:54:01 ‹Timitius› Bah! You all type the same on the boards!
22/07/2008 20:54:03 ‹David› hi Skeld
22/07/2008 20:54:04 ‹molrak› A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... OPEN GAME LICENSE Section 1. Definitions: (a)"Contributors" means the copyright and/or trademark owners who have contributed Open Game Content;...
22/07/2008 20:54:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› I wouldn't know if its pointless to play, I've never been able to get it to run on my computers . . . :lol:
22/07/2008 20:54:26 ‹David› heh
22/07/2008 20:54:31 ‹Mothman› molrak: :-)
22/07/2008 20:54:32 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The only way we can ensure that a Pathfinder movie wouldn't suck is to be VERY CAREFUL about who we give that license to.
22/07/2008 20:54:47 * Nameless quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 20:54:47 ‹Pygon› hehe, I'd just stick the OGL on the main page on a clicky button.
22/07/2008 20:54:52 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> No new info on Legacy of Fire yet. I'll have more next week though, for sure.
22/07/2008 20:55:01 ‹Mr Baron› reastically, is there any real possibility of a movie?
22/07/2008 20:55:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Step One: No Wayans brother in a staring role.
22/07/2008 20:55:07 ‹Pygon› excellent James
22/07/2008 20:55:09 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position.› Uwe Boll?
22/07/2008 20:55:13 ‹DM Charles Evans› Roman Polanski directing Hook Mountain Massacre?
22/07/2008 20:55:14 * Blazej in the Fetal Position. runs.
22/07/2008 20:55:22 ‹Timitius› KnightErrantJR, actually I bought a new video card just so I COULD run it....and haven't installed it yet! Hellgate London came along and, well......
22/07/2008 20:55:22 * Blazej in the Fetal Position. runs fast.
22/07/2008 20:55:24 * Ross quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 20:55:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Step Two: No one that ever played Jimmy Olsen as a lead character.
22/07/2008 20:55:25 ‹James Jacobs› Mr Baron> Yes. There is a possibility. Absolutely.
22/07/2008 20:55:32 ‹psymin› David Lynch :)
22/07/2008 20:55:35 ‹Mr Baron› wow
22/07/2008 20:55:36 ‹Skeld› hi everyone
22/07/2008 20:55:43 ‹James Jacobs› There's nothing in the works now, but if Pathfinder keeps growing in popularity... there's no ceiling.
22/07/2008 20:55:46 ‹Pygon› evening Skeld
22/07/2008 20:55:51 * Blazej in the Fetal Position. changes his/her nickname to Blazej in the Fetal Position
22/07/2008 20:55:58 ‹Hill Giant› If you need writers for a movie, you've got my number, JJ. 8-)
22/07/2008 20:56:11 ‹Timitius› Uwe Boll would somehow find a way to make Pathfinder. SOMEHOW.
22/07/2008 20:56:12 ‹James Jacobs› And with the fantasy genre now out of the ghetto and into the mainstream...
22/07/2008 20:56:27 ‹James Jacobs› Uwe Boll won't be allowed. I'll make sure of that.
22/07/2008 20:56:28 * Justin Sluder will happily be an extra
22/07/2008 20:56:28 ‹Uzzy› When I get my Seoni posable action figure, I'll know that Pathfinder's arrived.
22/07/2008 20:56:29 ‹Lilith› Timitius, NO!!!!
22/07/2008 20:56:34 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Gary, etc are still reporting continuing increases in registered people and dowloads of the Alpha rules?
22/07/2008 20:56:43 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Yup.
22/07/2008 20:56:58 ‹yoda8myhead› Uzzy, when I get my inflatable one it will have arrived for me
22/07/2008 20:56:58 ‹Uzzy› And you know that the Seoni action figure would sell rather well.
22/07/2008 20:56:59 ‹Mothman› Uzzy: Life-sized Seoni posable action figure ...
22/07/2008 20:57:07 * David would be an extra extra
22/07/2008 20:57:15 ‹David› Mothman, :lol:
22/07/2008 20:57:16 ‹Timitius› I don't know how he got a hold of Dungeonsiege, but DAMMIT!
22/07/2008 20:57:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› My wife wouldn't let me collect that.
22/07/2008 20:57:22 ‹DM Charles Evans› But 4E has been out for several weeks now; those disappointed enough to switch should be tailing off by now. 4E should be getting all the attention at this point. :shock:
22/07/2008 20:57:25 ‹greengrunt› Moth- oh that'd be dangerous!
22/07/2008 20:57:45 ‹James Jacobs› I hear he got ahold of Dungeon Siege because the people who farm out licenses for it saw only the $$$ and didn't care who made the movie.
22/07/2008 20:57:47 ‹Mothman› yes.... dangerous.....
22/07/2008 20:57:47 * Pygon would volunteer to be visible for 1/24 of a second in a horrendous exploding fire
22/07/2008 20:58:06 ‹David› a real fire Pygon?
22/07/2008 20:58:06 * DM Charles Evans wonders just what Wizards of the Coast did that Pathfinder is getting steadily increasing attention.
22/07/2008 20:58:15 ‹KnightErrantJR› However, yeah, actions figures would be pretty damn cool.
22/07/2008 20:58:16 ‹James Jacobs› Bleh... I don't know the URL to check the numbers from home to see if they're still climbing, but I assume they are.
22/07/2008 20:58:24 ‹Pygon› no, CGI of course, that's why my performance will be very wooden.
22/07/2008 20:58:26 ‹Russ› More what WotC hasn't done.
22/07/2008 20:58:27 ‹Timitius› Damned shame too. Dungeonsiege had a cool storyline. I love that game.
22/07/2008 20:58:34 ‹DM Charles Evans› Of course Gleemax has powers of great disenchantment I hear.
22/07/2008 20:59:05 ‹Sir Wulf› I wouldn't know. It's always down when I try to read it.
22/07/2008 20:59:16 ‹DM Charles Evans› :rofl:
22/07/2008 20:59:18 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position› James Jacobs, I heard he got hold of Dungeon Siege because they didn't know who Uwe Boll was. At least that is what I heard from one of their represenitives.
22/07/2008 20:59:26 ‹Pygon› Charles - two recent polls at ENWorld both rating Paizo and WotC between 0-6 put Paizo at 5 and WotC at 3. *shrug*
22/07/2008 20:59:30 ‹James Jacobs› Yup.
22/07/2008 20:59:37 ‹Sir Wulf› Of course, running an Internet bulletin board is a technical challenge few would consider.
22/07/2008 20:59:41 ‹Justin Sluder› Sir Wulf, I haven't been to wizards that I recall since they started doing nothing but 4e stuff
22/07/2008 20:59:46 ‹yoda8myhead› Timitius, I never played the game, but the world of the film seemed intriguing, it was just a steaming pile of crap
22/07/2008 20:59:58 ‹Russ› Eh. I could totally make a site more stable than UgleeMax
22/07/2008 21:00:07 ‹DM Charles Evans› I thought Wizards of the Coast was the most popular company at ENWOrld? :shock: Or was this justa customer-service poll?
22/07/2008 21:00:28 ‹Pygon› Charles - General Discussion board, I was surprised myself.
22/07/2008 21:00:30 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The trick isn't making a stable site. It's making a stable site that a giant committee all agrees is the RIGHT site.
22/07/2008 21:00:36 ‹Mothman› yeah, but internet polls ... not the most reliable things in the world
22/07/2008 21:00:49 * Russ has 5 9s on most of his products
22/07/2008 21:00:54 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, 'Tis Truth.
22/07/2008 21:01:08 ‹Timitius› Actually, I highly recommend DungeonSiege. Both the first, the expansion, and the second one with its expansion. Diablo 3 seems to look very much like DS2.
22/07/2008 21:01:13 ‹Sir Wulf› Did tyhat Dungeon Seige film stink as badly as the D&D ones did?
22/07/2008 21:01:16 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Internet polls aren't to be trusted. They only record the votes of teh ones who vote, and if not every one of ENworld's 70,000+ users vote... it's skewed.
22/07/2008 21:01:39 ‹Russ› The 2nd D&D movie was fine by fantasy film standards. Better than average, really.
22/07/2008 21:01:41 ‹James Jacobs› I haven't seen Dungeon Siege... but I bet it was worse than the D&D movies.
22/07/2008 21:01:48 ‹Uzzy› What kind of poll records the votes of people who don't vote? >.>
22/07/2008 21:02:00 ‹DM Charles Evans› Ah. And now I think about it, weren't there some bugs with previous ENWorld polls that allowed some people to vote multiple times?
22/07/2008 21:02:02 * Erik Mona joins Main
22/07/2008 21:02:04 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Best part of D&D 2 was the revelation that the ancient cultists of Juiblex used Helvettica.
22/07/2008 21:02:08 ‹Sir Wulf› I forget the star's name, but he's been in some decent films.
22/07/2008 21:02:08 ‹Russ› Internet polls suffer terribly from board-stuffing.
22/07/2008 21:02:09 ‹Daigle› Holy shit!
22/07/2008 21:02:11 ‹David› psychic and or faked polls Uzzy
22/07/2008 21:02:13 ‹Pygon› Erik! Welcome!
22/07/2008 21:02:14 ‹Timitius› Actually, it was never named DungeonSiege...it was In the Name of the King, right?
22/07/2008 21:02:14 * psymin tips his hat.
22/07/2008 21:02:15 * DM Charles Evans waves at Erik Mona.
22/07/2008 21:02:16 ‹James Jacobs› Uzzy> Magic future polls!
22/07/2008 21:02:16 ‹Daigle› Howdy Erik!
22/07/2008 21:02:17 ‹greengrunt› Greetings Erik Mona!
22/07/2008 21:02:17 ‹KnightErrantJR› I had no desire to see Dungeon Siege
22/07/2008 21:02:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik!
22/07/2008 21:02:21 ‹Mothman› Russ: It amuses me when people say that the 2nd D&D movie was alright ... I didnt see the first, but I saw the second and it sucked (IMO) - I hate to think what the first was like
22/07/2008 21:02:23 ‹Russ› Uzzy - the point is, a random sample poll tries to get responses actively, instead of passively
22/07/2008 21:02:25 ‹greengrunt› Rock on hard core!
22/07/2008 21:02:25 ‹Russ› IT'S THE MAN!
22/07/2008 21:02:26 ‹BM› Internet Polls are worthless, due to that they're self-sampling. (And easily expoiltible)
22/07/2008 21:02:31 * Rambling Scribe casts blur...
22/07/2008 21:02:32 * How rare.
22/07/2008 21:02:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› I told you he was hard wired into the system.
22/07/2008 21:02:34 ‹James Jacobs› Jason Statham? He has been in some good movies.
22/07/2008 21:02:34 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position› Hello Erik.
22/07/2008 21:02:36 ‹Russ› Phoning in from the Great White North!
22/07/2008 21:02:37 ‹David› hi Erik!
22/07/2008 21:02:39 ‹James Jacobs› Dungeon Siege isn't one of them.
22/07/2008 21:02:44 ‹James Jacobs› Hey there, Erik!
22/07/2008 21:02:49 ‹Mothman› Hey Erik
22/07/2008 21:02:52 * DM Charles Evans waits t see if Lilith awards the golem....
22/07/2008 21:02:54 ‹Justin Sluder› My opinion: D&D movie 1 < D&D movie 2 < Dungeon Siege
22/07/2008 21:02:57 ‹Erik Mona› Greetings, all!
22/07/2008 21:02:59 ‹yoda8myhead› Wow, haven't seen you here very much Erik!
22/07/2008 21:03:12 ‹KnightErrantJR› My faith in the movie was shaken before I even realized Ewe was involved . . . when I saw Burt Reynolds as the king . . .
22/07/2008 21:03:15 ‹Mr Baron› Hello Erik!
22/07/2008 21:03:17 ‹James Jacobs› He's been busy writing 5000 word entries on his blog...
22/07/2008 21:03:19 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, have you watched Crank?
22/07/2008 21:03:22 ‹greengrunt› Seems that everybody's taste in fantasy flicks is wildly diverse
22/07/2008 21:03:25 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Erik
22/07/2008 21:03:27 ‹James Jacobs› Crank is AWESOME.
22/07/2008 21:03:29 ‹Erik Mona› I see people were asking if Pathfinder Alpha downloads were still going up.
22/07/2008 21:03:30 ‹Lilith› ERIK! HOLY SHIT!
22/07/2008 21:03:33 ‹Timitius› Ray Liotta just seems like a BAD choice for a fantasy movie.
22/07/2008 21:03:33 ‹Erik Mona› Holy moley, the answer is YES!
22/07/2008 21:03:34 ‹Russ› Mothman - fact is, most fantasy movies stink nearly as badly as typical comic films or action films.
22/07/2008 21:03:35 ‹Justin Sluder› hell's yeah!!!!
22/07/2008 21:03:38 ‹Daigle› :lol: James
22/07/2008 21:03:39 * Lilith slaps a Paizo Icon on the MAN!
22/07/2008 21:03:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Justin Sluder, I HAAATED Crank
22/07/2008 21:03:50 ‹Erik Mona› We're about to announce another milestone in unique downloads. I approved the news release this afternoon, so it should go live tonight or tomorrow.
22/07/2008 21:03:53 ‹molrak› Yes but it was such an informative blog entry.
22/07/2008 21:03:55 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: James was saying that those registering with Paizo and downloading the Alpha Rules continues to climb, steadily. It sounds like you're all doing an amazing job.
22/07/2008 21:04:00 ‹Mothman› Erik - cool, glad to hear it
22/07/2008 21:03:59 ‹Russ› Good to hear.
22/07/2008 21:03:59 * Lilith runs over and glomps Erik Mona! :glomp: :thug:
22/07/2008 21:04:06 ‹greengrunt› Coolness
22/07/2008 21:04:07 ‹James Jacobs› Without a GODLIKE director like Scorsese... I don't think Ray Liotta is good for anything, honestly.
22/07/2008 21:04:07 ‹Pygon› nice Erik
22/07/2008 21:04:10 ‹Russ› I'm hearing a shocking amount of buzz in the local RPG community.
22/07/2008 21:04:14 ‹Daigle› Awesome! Congrats!
22/07/2008 21:04:19 ‹Justin Sluder› yoda8myhead, okay, everyone's allowed to have their own opinion, regardless of how wrong it is :razz:
22/07/2008 21:04:29 ‹greengrunt› Ray Liotta was awesome in NARC!!
22/07/2008 21:04:31 ‹Timitius› This is a milestone announcement....and I approve of it.
22/07/2008 21:04:31 ‹KnightErrantJR› Great news Erik . . . I've been recruiting new players to my group and pointing them Paizoward . . . okay, its only two or three more, but hey . . .
22/07/2008 21:04:32 ‹Russ› Folks I would assume would NEVER have heard of something non-WotC come up to me and ask me what I think about Pathfinder
22/07/2008 21:04:40 ‹Mr Baron› So can you share with the group now?
22/07/2008 21:04:44 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, Any other announcements you can make?
22/07/2008 21:04:50 ‹Justin Sluder› Erik Mona, :w00t:
22/07/2008 21:05:04 ‹Ross› :w00t:, Erik.
22/07/2008 21:05:17 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: Can we expect to see you holidaying- ummm 'taking a business trip'- in the UK this summer?
22/07/2008 21:05:19 ‹James Jacobs› Erik, am I allowed to leak titles for AP4 yet? Or titles for the early 2009 products?
22/07/2008 21:05:31 ‹Russ› Maybe he knows the identity of the 11th doctor?
22/07/2008 21:05:32 ‹Pygon› ooo ooo yes! yes!
22/07/2008 21:05:35 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Always glad to hear about shocking local Pathfinder buzz!
22/07/2008 21:05:37 ‹yoda8myhead› ues
22/07/2008 21:05:43 ‹yoda8myhead› yes, I meant
22/07/2008 21:05:48 ‹greengrunt› LOL@Russ
22/07/2008 21:05:57 ‹Lilith› Please please please please Erik Mona, let James Jacobs spoilarz! :D
22/07/2008 21:06:03 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> I will be at Gen Con UK as a guest of honor.
22/07/2008 21:06:08 ‹Mr Baron› We want spoilers!
22/07/2008 21:06:09 ‹Erik Mona› Alongside Colin Baker, apparently.
22/07/2008 21:06:12 * Erik Mona shudders.
22/07/2008 21:06:14 ‹DM Charles Evans› :w00t:
22/07/2008 21:06:15 ‹yoda8myhead› or make the spoilies yourself, Erik
22/07/2008 21:06:18 ‹Mr Baron› and inside scoop!
22/07/2008 21:06:21 ‹KnightErrantJR› Heh
22/07/2008 21:06:22 ‹James Jacobs› OR: Would it be better to wait till next week once the initial stuff is out via the solicitations.
22/07/2008 21:06:22 ‹Mothman› Maybe Erik IS the 11th doctor....
22/07/2008 21:06:24 ‹David› allow the spoilers!
22/07/2008 21:06:25 ‹Pygon› [-o>
22/07/2008 21:06:31 ‹Erik Mona› James> No and no on the leakies. Not quite yet.
22/07/2008 21:06:32 ‹DM Charles Evans› Colin baker... Umm he was Doctor #6?
22/07/2008 21:06:33 ‹yoda8myhead› tell us tell us tell us [-o>
22/07/2008 21:06:38 ‹greengrunt› Uzzy... there ya go! Hook EM up with a pint! :razz:
22/07/2008 21:06:40 * Lilith waves cookies at Erik! :cookie::cookie::cookie:
22/07/2008 21:06:41 ‹Pygon› :cry:
22/07/2008 21:06:43 ‹David› aww...
22/07/2008 21:06:44 ‹Erik Mona› OMG, this little crying bastard next door is a menace.
22/07/2008 21:06:45 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, Chaotic Evil!
22/07/2008 21:06:52 ‹James Jacobs› HA!
22/07/2008 21:06:57 ‹Timitius› Erik Mona, I am quite envious of your reading project you are blogging about on LiveJournal. Them's some sweet collections!
22/07/2008 21:06:58 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, he wants spoilers
22/07/2008 21:07:03 ‹Uzzy› I'm sure I will see about getting Erik and Jacobs a pint or two each.
22/07/2008 21:07:06 ‹James Jacobs› That's more Lawful Evil. I'm the Chaotic Evil one.
22/07/2008 21:07:07 ‹Mothman› little crying bastard?
22/07/2008 21:07:09 ‹Uzzy› Then some more.
22/07/2008 21:07:12 ‹Mr Baron› lol
22/07/2008 21:07:16 ‹Daigle› Cursed babies!
22/07/2008 21:07:20 ‹Erik Mona› Timitius> Thanks. I've been building it steadily over the last couple years.
21:07:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Who's the neutral evil one at Paizo then?
22/07/2008 21:07:36 ‹James Jacobs› Wes.
22/07/2008 21:07:36 ‹yoda8myhead› KnightErrantJR, FROOOOOOST
22/07/2008 21:07:37 ‹Erik Mona› James is not Chaotic Evil.
22/07/2008 21:07:40 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position› Fact: Babies are cute overall.
22/07/2008 21:07:41 ‹James Jacobs› Maybe Sean.
22/07/2008 21:07:47 ‹Erik Mona› I don't even think James is evil, really.
22/07/2008 21:07:56 ‹James Jacobs› DAMNIT! I wanna be a demon lord though.
22/07/2008 21:08:09 ‹Erik Mona› Sean Glenn was chaotic evil. Or at least chaotic neutral (evil).
22/07/2008 21:08:16 ‹James Jacobs› HA! It's true.
22/07/2008 21:08:19 ‹Timitius› I've got the near complete collection of Elric from SFBC. Did a marathon read of the whole lot. Whoa.
22/07/2008 21:08:21 ‹Blazej in the Fetal Position› Cursesing gives you +1 evil
22/07/2008 21:08:21 ‹Russ› Was the first incarnation of Pazuzu NE?
22/07/2008 21:08:22 ‹Erik Mona› Sean K Reynolds is.... ur... the alignment system fails me.
22/07/2008 21:08:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, as long as Pathfinder doesn't get rid of them, there are spells to check for that . . .
22/07/2008 21:08:30 ‹BM› James Jacobs, Then kick more puppies. Its the only way.
22/07/2008 21:08:31 ‹Erik Mona› Wes is neutral evil.
22/07/2008 21:08:32 ‹Rambling Scribe› Wait, James, did you say Wes is the little crying bastard?
22/07/2008 21:08:33 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: why be Chaotic Evil though, when you could be Lawful neutral instead?
22/07/2008 21:08:38 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I don't think anybody's going to stop you from being a Demon Lord. :P
22/07/2008 21:08:39 ‹Russ› Skreyn is CG
22/07/2008 21:08:41 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, demons are supposed to be made of chaos, so be a LG demon lord, who'd expect that?
22/07/2008 21:08:45 * Lilith is Lawful Naughty.
22/07/2008 21:08:47 ‹James Jacobs› The first Pazuzu in the MM2 was CE.
22/07/2008 21:08:50 ‹Erik Mona› Actually, he's probably more neutral. He is likely the most deliberate member of the editorial staff.
22/07/2008 21:08:51 * Ross is drowning in chat!
22/07/2008 21:08:51 ‹James Jacobs› Also in Tsojcanth.
22/07/2008 21:08:57 ‹Erik Mona› He always listens and thinks before he speaks.
22/07/2008 21:09:01 ‹yoda8myhead› How is Sean's employment working out, since you mention him?
22/07/2008 21:09:04 ‹James Jacobs› Lawful Neutral = boring and frustrating.
22/07/2008 21:09:14 ‹Erik Mona› For me, thinking and speaking are often the exact same thing, and they happen at an identical rate.
22/07/2008 21:09:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› Bah, thoughtful consideration before statements? What sorcery is this?
22/07/2008 21:09:22 ‹Ross› Hey! I'm Lawful Neutral!
22/07/2008 21:09:35 ‹James Jacobs› Sean's KICKING ASS! It's incredible having someone, on his first day, be able to take an adventure and do a development pass on it. Hiring Sean = win.
22/07/2008 21:09:36 * RETH-Mog joins Main
22/07/2008 21:09:39 ‹Russ› Chaotic Bald
22/07/2008 21:09:45 * psymin quit (<3)
22/07/2008 21:09:46 ‹Daigle› Howdy Reth
22/07/2008 21:09:49 ‹Pygon› great to hear
22/07/2008 21:09:50 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Reth
22/07/2008 21:09:51 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: mmm, Khelben Blackstaff is OSTENSIBLY Lawful Neutral, and gets upto some very underhanded and dodgy things.
22/07/2008 21:09:53 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :woot: Good call!
22/07/2008 21:10:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› Not anymore . . .
22/07/2008 21:10:04 ‹Russ› It seemed like you practically pounced on him the moment he got laid off
22/07/2008 21:10:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› sorry
22/07/2008 21:10:15 ‹James Jacobs› I'm not a Khelben fan, so you're not sweetening the deal, Charles.
22/07/2008 21:10:26 ‹Erik Mona› James> I am indeed an HR genius.
22/07/2008 21:10:38 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona/James Jacobs, how's the hunt for other Paizo team members?
22/07/2008 21:10:41 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> I did.
22/07/2008 21:10:56 ‹Erik Mona› I offered him a job within 5 minutes of receiving his "I just got laid off" mass email.
22/07/2008 21:11:01 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, um, Drizzt isn't LN, so LN is better than Drizzt?
22/07/2008 21:11:04 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Oh... Sorry. :(
22/07/2008 21:11:06 ‹Pygon› hehe
22/07/2008 21:11:08 ‹KnightErrantJR› Nice move.
22/07/2008 21:11:09 ‹Mothman› Erik: Good call
22/07/2008 21:11:15 ‹Pygon› how long did it take to get a reply?
22/07/2008 21:11:16 ‹Erik Mona› Thanks!
22/07/2008 21:11:20 ‹Erik Mona› It's working great so far!
22/07/2008 21:11:23 ‹Timitius› One might debate whether Sean's lay-off and Paizo's hiring were not.....how should we say....related?
22/07/2008 21:11:29 ‹Erik Mona› Pygon> About 9 minutes.
22/07/2008 21:11:29 ‹James Jacobs› We also hired a new editor: Christopher Carey. And we even have an intern right now. Is good times.
22/07/2008 21:11:32 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona: "YOINK!!! YOU'RE MINE NOW SEAN!" :P
22/07/2008 21:11:36 ‹Pygon› sweet
22/07/2008 21:11:39 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, sweet! :D
22/07/2008 21:11:40 ‹Mothman› Erik: What's Sean working on for you at this stage (if you can tell)?
22/07/2008 21:11:48 ‹Erik Mona› Yes. Life in Paizoville is sweet and easy. :)
22/07/2008 21:11:52 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Likewise, I AM a Drizzt fan, so that's not sweetening the deal either! :)
22/07/2008 21:12:01 ‹Erik Mona› He's working on a bunch of Pathfinder Chronicles stuff.
22/07/2008 21:12:03 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: How long before Jason eats the new intern?
22/07/2008 21:12:03 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, :shakefist:
22/07/2008 21:12:13 ‹greengrunt› JJ>With the new editor and the intern.. Less pressure on you now? :D
22/07/2008 21:12:16 ‹Mothman› James: What does the interns job consist of?
22/07/2008 21:12:17 ‹Erik Mona› He just helped develop some of the faction-based feats for the Pathfinder Society campaign. I think there are 40 of them.
22/07/2008 21:12:18 * Lilith must make more introductory cookies for new Paizo folk! :ohnoes:
22/07/2008 21:12:18 ‹Russ› Good call indeed. I believe I was one of the first to predict he was tthe new hire on the boards :)
22/07/2008 21:12:19 ‹KnightErrantJR› But James, you do agree that Nuada could kick his ass, yes? ;-)
22/07/2008 21:12:25 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, there's just no convincing you is there?
22/07/2008 21:12:28 ‹James Jacobs› We wired Jason's jaw shut so he can't act on those cannibal urges as easilly. Although... we DID just lose another wirecutter...
22/07/2008 21:12:36 * yoda8myhead notes to send more pizza next time to compensate for growing company
22/07/2008 21:12:39 ‹James Jacobs› Justin> Not for LN, nope.
22/07/2008 21:12:40 ‹Daigle› Uh oh
22/07/2008 21:12:41 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
22/07/2008 21:12:55 ‹Erik Mona› Well, Russ, I am led to believe you are unwilling to take a pauper's salary, so Sean was the best choice available to me. ;)
22/07/2008 21:12:56 ‹yoda8myhead› So Erik, what's the status of Golarion fiction?
22/07/2008 21:13:00 ‹Ross› What does the intern do?
22/07/2008 21:13:00 ‹James Jacobs› I would acutally probably categorize me as a neutral good who wants to be chaotic good.
22/07/2008 21:13:05 ‹DM Charles Evans› yoda: It sounds like you need to send some soon to keep Jason from eating the intern. :D
22/07/2008 21:13:15 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Yes. MUCH less pressure. Hence the ability to take days off.
22/07/2008 21:13:22 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> On the drawing board.
22/07/2008 21:13:26 ‹KnightErrantJR› Point.
22/07/2008 21:13:30 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, :woot:
22/07/2008 21:13:35 ‹greengrunt› JJ> So you are taking a vacation or just a day?
22/07/2008 21:13:36 * Justin Sluder holds up a sign: "bE afeared! Be vUry AfeaRed!!"
21:13:44 * Erik Mona agrees with JJ's assessment of his own alignment.
22/07/2008 21:13:51 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: Any word on an assistant for the PostMonster General yet?
22/07/2008 21:13:52 ‹Russ› Heh, yes, I'm fully and happily employed :) And Sean is sooooo much a better choice of a hire it isn't funny!
22/07/2008 21:14:01 ‹Erik Mona› I know. :)
22/07/2008 21:14:08 ‹James Jacobs› Mothman> The intern's job is basically "Edit all the stuff we give you, and watch the chaos that is the publishing industry to learn from it so you can write a cool paper on it"
22/07/2008 21:14:12 ‹Erik Mona› But still, you are every bit an RPG Superstar, my friend! :)
22/07/2008 21:14:39 ‹Russ› Thanks for the vote of confidence! I'm about to free to lance, too,big summer release is winding down (thank all the gods)
22/07/2008 21:14:45 ‹greengrunt› Hi RETH
22/07/2008 21:14:55 * Russ pulled a 26 hour shift last week, then another 6 hours after 3 hours of sleep
22/07/2008 21:14:57 ‹Mothman› You should sell yourself more cheaply Russ!
22/07/2008 21:14:57 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I'm using 2 personal days. We get 3 a year, and they don't carry over. This is the first year I've used any of them, I think; it's CERTAINLY the first year I've used more than 1.
22/07/2008 21:15:01 ‹Pygon› oh, there was a question about an interview with Christine, Erik. Might we ever see this?
22/07/2008 21:15:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› Guys, I just wanted to let you know, when I finally started getting the Rise of the Runelords AP, I was floored. I had gotten adventures and sourcebooks before, but I didn't realize how amazing these thigns were.
22/07/2008 21:15:10 ‹Erik Mona› It bugs me that 4e basically ruins three decades of "what do you suppose [insert real world person here]'s alignment is?" conversations.
22/07/2008 21:15:13 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: hank-you for reminding me: I seem to recall seeing somewhere, a month or three back, that you wer maybe going to carry out an intervew with Christine Schneider; what happened to it?
22/07/2008 21:15:30 ‹Timitius› Erik Mona, James Jacobs, any opinion on those proposed dates for PaizoCon II? You know....WAY out there in April?
22/07/2008 21:15:32 ‹Erik Mona› Pygon> I hope so!
22/07/2008 21:15:32 ‹greengrunt› JJ> congrats man... I'm happy for you! Going to get another graphics card?
22/07/2008 21:15:43 ‹DM Charles Evans› Ah, :mike: by Pygon...
22/07/2008 21:15:47 ‹James Jacobs› Knight> Thanks for the kind words! :)
22/07/2008 21:15:53 ‹Russ› I still go into little fits trying to do 4E stuff. Like evil storm giants.
22/07/2008 21:16:05 ‹James Jacobs› Timitus> They look good to me... but I have trouble seeing that far into the future.
22/07/2008 21:16:08 ‹Russ› I mean, granted, Dave Trampier went there years ago, but still, that guy was an exception
22/07/2008 21:16:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› Well, given that my next campaign is going to be in Golarion after being a Realms fan for 20 years . . .
22/07/2008 21:16:10 ‹Erik Mona› I hope to get to the Christine interview soon. I've been really buried with stuff, even with a week of vacation.
22/07/2008 21:16:20 ‹Mothman› Erik: 4e didn't ruin those conversations (if you ignore the existence of 4e...)
22/07/2008 21:16:28 ‹Timitius› James Jacobs, me too. Me too.
22/07/2008 21:16:41 ‹greengrunt› EM> The week of vacation buried you? :shock:
22/07/2008 21:16:41 ‹James Jacobs› greengrunt> Nah. The graphics card that had the meltdown was not in use. It was a backup.
22/07/2008 21:16:47 ‹Erik Mona› I just finished writing the 1st trimester 2009 product solicitations, which has been a major project. I'll try to remember to get together with Christine soon.
22/07/2008 21:17:01 ‹DM Charles Evans› Do either of you (Erik or James Jacobs) have any wrd on how Elaine Cunningham's writing projects for Paizo are going?
22/07/2008 21:17:07 ‹Erik Mona› Of course, she is now busy writing Clash of the Kingslayers, so I don't want to distract her too much!
22/07/2008 21:17:13 ‹James Jacobs› Vacations do that. You get back and Lo! the work didn't do itself!
22/07/2008 21:17:23 ‹greengrunt› Aye
22/07/2008 21:17:24 ‹Pygon› I look forward to the finished product.
22/07/2008 21:17:24 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: And thank you for the promise of movement soon regarding Christine Schenider.
22/07/2008 21:17:28 ‹Erik Mona› Elaine is just getting started with some outlines and stuff. I hear they are fantastic.
22/07/2008 21:17:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› I often forget how much I hate coming back to work after vacations.
22/07/2008 21:17:43 * clight101 joins Main
22/07/2008 21:17:47 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> I do. She's having her sons read the first draft today, I think, and then will be sending the first installment our way this week. The outline she wrote is REALLY cool.
22/07/2008 21:17:49 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, can we see those solicitations?
22/07/2008 21:17:54 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya clight101
22/07/2008 21:17:58 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm really excited to see what Elaine does with Golarion.
22/07/2008 21:18:00 ‹Daigle› Howdy clight!
22/07/2008 21:18:03 ‹Russ› Hey! Any chance the Paizo store will start offering signed copies?
22/07/2008 21:18:08 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Eventually. Our distributor gets to see them first.
22/07/2008 21:18:10 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Are you allowed to spoil if you are putting out feelers with regard to Golarion novels?
22/07/2008 21:18:14 ‹greengrunt› Hi Clight!
22/07/2008 21:18:19 ‹Erik Mona› They'll probably appear some time in the next two weeks, though, most likely sooner than later.
22/07/2008 21:18:20 ‹Mothman› Yeah, unless you're on vacation for more than a month, the work just piles up (more than a month and it gets urgent enough that they need to find someone to do it...)
22/07/2008 21:18:23 ‹Erik Mona› There's a spoiler for you.
22/07/2008 21:18:23 ‹KnightErrantJR› One of the things that bothered me the most about 3rd edition Realms fiction is that it largely left one of its best writers behind.
22/07/2008 21:18:26 ‹James Jacobs› Erik's always putting out feelers.
22/07/2008 21:18:30 ‹Russ› I think you could probably sell extra copies to some of the subscribers that way. I'd buy her signed module.
22/07/2008 21:18:32 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Sounds good news, thanks.
22/07/2008 21:18:36 ‹clight101› hey guys
22/07/2008 21:18:50 ‹Erik Mona› Within two weeks, we'll be posting details on the more than 30 products we'll be releasing from January to April, 2009.
22/07/2008 21:18:51 ‹clight101› talk about lag
22/07/2008 21:19:09 ‹Russ› Ouch. My poor bank balance.
22/07/2008 21:19:10 ‹James Jacobs› It's a bit more difficult to get signed modules from authors who don't work at Paizo, of course...
22/07/2008 21:19:15 ‹Mothman› hey clight101
22/07/2008 21:19:24 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, SWEET.
22/07/2008 21:19:29 ‹Timitius› :shock: 30 products? 30? GAH! I can't defend that to my wife!!!!
22/07/2008 21:19:31 ‹Erik Mona› DM Charles> We're still in the "how much would this cost and how would we do it internally" mode of Pathfinder fiction right now.
22/07/2008 21:19:33 ‹Daigle› 30!?
22/07/2008 21:19:45 ‹Pygon› zowwy.
22/07/2008 21:19:55 ‹yoda8myhead› 30!!!!????
22/07/2008 21:19:59 ‹greengrunt› That is a... well.. crapload of products
22/07/2008 21:20:00 ‹Erik Mona› Timitius> I'm including Planet Stories, Map Packs, Flip-Mats, etc. The whole nine yards.
22/07/2008 21:20:00 * Russ needs to post a review of the Ginger Star...best so far from Planet Stories
22/07/2008 21:20:05 ‹Justin Sluder› 30 :w00t::dance2::dance2:
22/07/2008 21:20:05 * Samwise joins Main
22/07/2008 21:20:07 ‹DM Charles Evans› Timitius: Some of them will be gamemastery line products....
22/07/2008 21:20:10 ‹yoda8myhead› oh no. My wallet is gonna hurt me
22/07/2008 21:20:12 * David goes :woot:
22/07/2008 21:20:13 ‹greengrunt› Ahhh
22/07/2008 21:20:13 ‹Pygon› 3 companions, 3 mods, 6 AP mods, 6 Chronicles... uh... dang.
22/07/2008 21:20:20 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Samwie
22/07/2008 21:20:20 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> Yeah, that is Sutter's favorite too. Please do post that review.
22/07/2008 21:20:23 ‹Erik Mona› Especially on Amazon.com.
22/07/2008 21:20:24 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Samwise
22/07/2008 21:20:25 ‹Wyvern› What about a Pathfinder graphic novel?
22/07/2008 21:20:28 * David s bank account goes :zombie:
22/07/2008 21:20:28 ‹greengrunt› er.. Samwise
22/07/2008 21:20:30 ‹Erik Mona› Amazon.com reviews are very, very helpful.
22/07/2008 21:20:36 ‹Timitius› Oh....PaizoCon II just got a whole lot sweeter! 30!!
22/07/2008 21:20:38 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik Mona: Are you confident of riding out the possible global recession well?
22/07/2008 21:20:40 ‹Erik Mona› Wyvern> My gut tells me it is too expensive.
22/07/2008 21:20:42 ‹KnightErrantJR› So Erik, any authors that fantasy or sci fi fans might know but haven't seen yet in Planet Stories that you can tease as getting the PS treatment?
22/07/2008 21:20:46 ‹Erik Mona› Charles> We'll see.
22/07/2008 21:20:46 ‹Russ› Ok, I'll make a point of that.
22/07/2008 21:21:03 ‹James Jacobs› I'd LOVE to see a pathfinder graphic novel. But that'll prolly have to wait for a year or two until Paizo's walls are made of gold.
22/07/2008 21:21:16 * Absinth joins Main
22/07/2008 21:21:17 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, :aww:
22/07/2008 21:21:29 ‹Mr Baron› garphic novels are that expensive?
22/07/2008 21:21:31 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Absinth
22/07/2008 21:21:31 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, they aren't already
22/07/2008 21:21:32 ‹Daigle› Howdy Absinth
22/07/2008 21:21:33 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: According to Spire of Xin Shalast some of the walls already ARE made of gold. :D
22/07/2008 21:21:37 ‹yoda8myhead› ?
22/07/2008 21:21:40 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik, what do you make of the cancellation of the creator owned WOTC novel line and Eberron fiction?
22/07/2008 21:21:53 ‹James Jacobs› Xin Shalast is at a much higher altitude than Paizo, though. Plus... more vampires.
22/07/2008 21:22:00 ‹Russ› KE - eek, when did that happen?
22/07/2008 21:22:04 ‹clight101› Erik Mona and Wyvern > I think I'd give it about 18 more months and you might have enough of a following to actually print a graphic novel and have it sell well enough to make a profit
22/07/2008 21:22:11 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, and you know...lamias. :P
22/07/2008 21:22:13 * Presence joins Main
22/07/2008 21:22:23 ‹Lilith› PRESENCE! :glomp:
22/07/2008 21:22:25 ‹Daigle› Howdy Presence!
22/07/2008 21:22:27 ‹James Jacobs› We've got a few lamias, actually.
22/07/2008 21:22:28 ‹KnightErrantJR› Announced last week sometime, don't remember the day.
22/07/2008 21:22:33 ‹Erik Mona› Knight> Well, the January-April Planet Stories releases went up last week, so those have already been spoiled. We've got books from Leigh Brackett, Henry Kuttner, and Otis Adelbert Kline, and introductions from George Lucas, F. Paul Wilson, Nicola Griffith, and Joe R. Lansdale.
22/07/2008 21:22:36 ‹yoda8myhead› llamas?
22/07/2008 21:22:52 ‹Mothman› hey Presence
22/07/2008 21:22:53 ‹Presence› Ohai!
22/07/2008 21:22:57 ‹Timitius› Llamas? What the- OH. Lamias. heh. heh. Ummmm. <oops>
22/07/2008 21:22:59 ‹Erik Mona› I'm about to sign at least four books from two authors we have not previously published, however, including one with books in almost every bookstore in America.
22/07/2008 21:23:00 ‹Mr Baron› wait, whats this about WOTC novel lines?
22/07/2008 21:23:07 ‹Russ› Ah, looking forward to Kline, another one I haven't read. And I was really hoping for more Kuttner.
22/07/2008 21:23:09 ‹Erik Mona› And another that I absolutely love, but who is almost forgotten.
22/07/2008 21:23:10 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Presence
22/07/2008 21:23:10 * Eyebite joins Main
22/07/2008 21:23:20 ‹greengrunt› Hi Absinth
22/07/2008 21:23:20 ‹Daigle› Eyebite!
22/07/2008 21:23:22 ‹Mothman› Courtfool is always looking for llamas
22/07/2008 21:23:24 ‹Pygon› Stephen King?
22/07/2008 21:23:27 ‹Pygon› hi Eyebite
22/07/2008 21:23:28 ‹Daigle› What's shakin', man>
22/07/2008 21:23:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› I'm definitely looking into getting more PS books since I'm looking to fill my fiction fix.
22/07/2008 21:23:35 ‹James Jacobs› I've heard of him!
22/07/2008 21:23:36 ‹Presence› load averages: 29.40, 20.39, 15.99
22/07/2008 21:23:37 ‹Presence› wooo!
22/07/2008 21:23:38 ‹Mothman› hey Eyebite
22/07/2008 21:23:38 ‹Presence› haha
22/07/2008 21:23:39 ‹Eyebite› Daigle!
22/07/2008 21:23:40 ‹Eyebite› Pygon!
22/07/2008 21:23:42 ‹Samwise› howdy
22/07/2008 21:23:43 ‹Erik Mona› Knight> I think Hasbro is flexing some muscles and forcing WotC to concentrate on things that sell games and bulwark their core brands.
22/07/2008 21:23:44 ‹Eyebite› Moth!
22/07/2008 21:23:45 ‹Timitius› I detect a Presence, one that I haven't felt in.......
22/07/2008 21:23:50 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Eyebite
22/07/2008 21:23:56 ‹Eyebite› Not much, saw the Dark Knight,,,,just got back
22/07/2008 21:24:00 ‹Eyebite› Hey Justin
22/07/2008 21:24:04 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik Mona: I think back at the end of last year I may have asked you about Dave Morris & Oliver ohnson- if you were familiar with them. I saw news last month that Mongoose (under theior Flaming Cobra line, think) were going to be reprinting some of Dave & Oliver's DRAGONWARRIORS system later this year.
22/07/2008 21:24:07 ‹Russ› Presence - how's your wait states in pstat?
22/07/2008 21:24:09 ‹Russ› oops, not pstat
22/07/2008 21:24:11 ‹greengrunt› Hi Presence
22/07/2008 21:24:14 ‹Pygon› JJ hates it, it's #5 on his list.
22/07/2008 21:24:19 ‹James Jacobs› AUGH
22/07/2008 21:24:25 ‹greengrunt› Hullo Absinth and Presence
22/07/2008 21:24:26 ‹DM Charles Evans› Something like as 'best of British Fantasy RPG's'
22/07/2008 21:24:27 ‹Russ› vmstat. How's the wait state percentage in vmstat?
22/07/2008 21:24:30 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. It's the worst 5 star movie I've ever seen.
22/07/2008 21:24:42 ‹Presence› pstat? oh, vmstat! good call, lets see. :)
22/07/2008 21:24:45 ‹greengrunt› :-k
22/07/2008 21:24:47 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> I will continue to publish Henry Kuttner until I run out of stories. Rest assured.
22/07/2008 21:24:55 ‹Absinth› Hey Paizonians! :cthulhu:
22/07/2008 21:25:01 ‹Eyebite› Dark Knight? really? I thought it was great
22/07/2008 21:25:03 ‹James Jacobs› Ahoy, Absinth!
22/07/2008 21:25:05 ‹Eyebite› *shrug*
22/07/2008 21:25:08 ‹Lilith› Hey there Absinth!
22/07/2008 21:25:08 ‹Uzzy› Hello Green Fairy
22/07/2008 21:25:13 ‹Erik Mona› I am not familiar with Morris and Oliver.
22/07/2008 21:25:15 ‹Timitius› Absinth! How's it going?
22/07/2008 21:25:20 ‹Presence› I honestly don't really know how to read what we're looking for, Russ. :^/
22/07/2008 21:25:21 ‹James Jacobs› Actually, I thought Dark Knight was great too.
22/07/2008 21:25:23 ‹Erik Mona› And I've never even heard of "Flaming Cobra".
22/07/2008 21:25:32 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: I'm not sure that 4E Forgotten Realms is going to help Bulwark the Forgotten Realms Novels. I know it's killed my interest in the novels completely.
22/07/2008 21:25:38 ‹Absinth› Good morning!
22/07/2008 21:25:39 ‹Daigle› It was a rare GI Joe
22/07/2008 21:25:42 ‹Wyvern› James now you are flip-flopping.
22/07/2008 21:25:44 ‹James Jacobs› But I also thought "The Ruins," "Encounters at the End of the World," "Hellboy 2," and "Cloverfield" were better.
22/07/2008 21:25:46 ‹greengrunt› turd-muffins.. el laggo
22/07/2008 21:25:56 * RETH-Mog quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 21:26:00 ‹greengrunt› Hey Eyebite
22/07/2008 21:26:04 ‹James Jacobs› Dark Knight DID bump Iron Man down to #6, so that's a good indication of how good it is.
22/07/2008 21:26:11 ‹Presence› Russ: http://presence.irev.net/stora...tat.txt
22/07/2008 21:26:19 ‹Eyebite› I saw Hellboy 2 on Sunday..,,,thought it was decent....better than the first....but just better than ok
22/07/2008 21:26:22 ‹Erik Mona› I loved the tooth faries in Hellboy 2 were great.
22/07/2008 21:26:22 ‹Eyebite› Hey grunt
22/07/2008 21:26:25 ‹Erik Mona› And the life elemental.
22/07/2008 21:26:29 ‹greengrunt› EM> Flaming Cobra is on Mongoose site I believe
22/07/2008 21:26:30 ‹KnightErrantJR› Wow, James hated Iron Man too! (just kidding . . . )
22/07/2008 21:26:36 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: And I collected things like 'King Pinch' simply to have a 'complete set' of The Nobles novels,. #
22/07/2008 21:26:36 ‹Absinth› Good morning....
22/07/2008 21:26:53 ‹Mr Baron› so you rank hellboy ahead of ironman & dark knight?
22/07/2008 21:27:02 ‹James Jacobs› Wyvern> No I'm not. I've seen about two dozen movies so far, and what I'm saying is that I'm amused by the fact that since Dark Knight's not the best of those 25 movies, but only the FIFTH best, that means it's terrible. Which it does not.
22/07/2008 21:27:04 ‹KnightErrantJR› The tooth faries were great . . .
22/07/2008 21:27:10 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Where is your list o movies?
22/07/2008 21:27:13 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. Hellboy is incredible.
22/07/2008 21:27:14 ‹Wyvern› I was kidding
22/07/2008 21:27:26 ‹Eyebite› I really liked Hellboy's portrayal of elves....well....except turning to stucco when they die
22/07/2008 21:27:31 ‹James Jacobs› My list of movies for this year?
22/07/2008 21:27:36 ‹Erik Mona› I see. Flaming Cobra looks like a good idea. Sort of a "best of the indy scene" imprint.
22/07/2008 21:27:40 ‹James Jacobs› It lives on my computer so far.
22/07/2008 21:27:45 ‹greengrunt› Aye
22/07/2008 21:27:52 ‹Absinth› Sorry for triple-posting. I have a lag like nothing I've seen before... *bows to the god-like lag*
22/07/2008 21:28:20 ‹Eyebite› laggage
22/07/2008 21:28:22 ‹Wyvern› I hear your woes about people judging your list as a good to bad meter.
22/07/2008 21:28:25 ‹DM Charles Evans› .
22/07/2008 21:28:27 ‹Erik Mona› I kept thinking of Elric during the scenes with the elves. Now THERE'S a movie I'm excited for!
22/07/2008 21:28:35 ‹greengrunt› Aye ultra lag... Somebody must've spread the word that Senor Mona was going to be on tonight.. DAIGLE! :razz: :D
22/07/2008 21:28:37 ‹Mothman› Charles Evans: Dragonwarriors was cool!
22/07/2008 21:28:43 ‹Eyebite› Yeah, Elric should be the shit
22/07/2008 21:28:52 ‹Daigle› greengrunt, I was clueless
22/07/2008 21:28:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oh, here's one for you . . . what do you guys think about racial paragon levels? Is it something you would do for Pathfinder?
22/07/2008 21:28:59 ‹DM Charles Evans› Mothman: You got it in Australia?
22/07/2008 21:29:21 ‹greengrunt› :plot: Or was Daigle framed?
22/07/2008 21:29:23 ‹Erik Mona› I think we have much more important ground to cover before we get to that.
22/07/2008 21:29:33 * cappadocius quit (timeout)
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22/07/2008 21:29:34 ‹Absinth› :coffee:
22/07/2008 21:29:41 ‹Daigle› I'm certain I was framed....just then :D
22/07/2008 21:29:46 ‹Russ› Presence - ouch. Well, it seems to be holding up at least, rather than death spiraling
22/07/2008 21:29:55 ‹Eyebite› good turnout tonight
22/07/2008 21:30:06 ‹Erik Mona› I think it's really easy to disappear up your own ass when you put too much emphasis on building quirky little rules add-ons to a game system.
22/07/2008 21:30:06 ‹Russ› ooh, stormbringer movie?
22/07/2008 21:30:09 ‹Mothman› Charles: Yeah - I don't think it was widespread though. I picked it up at a second hand bookstore
22/07/2008 21:30:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Probably, but I didn't know if it was an something that provoked an automatic reaction.
22/07/2008 21:30:48 ‹Pygon› sounds painful.
22/07/2008 21:30:54 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, LOL!
22/07/2008 21:30:52 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: Besides, the adventure modules, are Paizo's Bread & Butter; the system is simply there to facilitate them?
22/07/2008 21:31:03 ‹Erik Mona› 3.5 spent a lot of time adding useless, shitty prestige classes and feats, but not nearly enough time explaining how to run a better game, or inspiring with imaginative adventures and setting material. Too much focus on the tools makes for a very tiresome, very internally inconsistent system.
22/07/2008 21:31:06 ‹DM Charles Evans› Mothman: did you get the ste?
22/07/2008 21:31:15 ‹Absinth› Looks like these are golden days for used bookstores in the Seattle area...:)
22/07/2008 21:31:20 ‹DM Charles Evans› Mothman: ste=set
22/07/2008 21:31:26 ‹clight101› Erik Mona > I would agree with you. In fact I really hope you guys just keep producing excellent adventures and gaming accessories like the combat pad
22/07/2008 21:31:32 ‹Pygon› Erik - I agree wholeheartedly. It's one of the things that made me discover Paizo.
22/07/2008 21:31:33 ‹Russ› Yes. Source material makes a game come alive. Rules expansions smother it.
22/07/2008 21:31:36 ‹greengrunt› EM> So Pathfinder is setting out to rectify those issues??
22/07/2008 21:31:44 ‹James Jacobs› Agreed. Also; adding so many rules expansions dramatically increases and accelerates power creep and rules bloat, all at the expense of flavor and story.
22/07/2008 21:31:49 ‹Erik Mona› A lot of the crap that people complain about 3.5 being "broken" comes from books published after years and years of rules "development" that fed a churn and burn production schedule meant to squeeze as much money as possible out of players.
22/07/2008 21:31:51 ‹KnightErrantJR› Still . . . Disappear Up Ass would make a sweet feat for a rogue . . .
22/07/2008 21:31:54 ‹greengrunt› Er.. Pathfinder RPG rather
22/07/2008 21:32:15 ‹clight101› Book of Vile darkness and exalted deeds comes to mind
22/07/2008 21:32:18 ‹Pygon› When I read FC1 and saw the passages abotu the Abyss having a mind of its own, it sparked more ideas than any number of new demons that could be added to the creature list.
22/07/2008 21:32:21 ‹Mothman› Charles: I had books 1 and ... 3 I think. Unfortunately I have lost them somewhere across the years..... :-(
22/07/2008 21:32:21 ‹Eyebite› I like how PrCs aren't being uber-emphasized....and the ones that DO come out are loaded with flavor, logical, and belong far more than a "hey, we need a PrC that can do______"
22/07/2008 21:32:23 ‹clight101› crazy broken
22/07/2008 21:32:23 ‹Daigle› Knight :lol:
22/07/2008 21:32:37 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik: So how will Paizo get money out of players, or will they be simply concentrating on DMS?:D
22/07/2008 21:32:37 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, thank you.
22/07/2008 21:32:50 ‹DM Charles Evans› Mothman:I think CaptRamses is also a fan.
22/07/2008 21:32:52 ‹James Jacobs› Players don't spend NEAR the amount of money DMs do, is the thing.
22/07/2008 21:33:07 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Aye.. tis true
22/07/2008 21:33:08 ‹Russ› And the adventure support for said rules expansions was very close to non-existant.
22/07/2008 21:33:10 ‹James Jacobs› BUT: The Pathfinder Companion is an attempt to market right at players.
22/07/2008 21:33:13 ‹DM Charles Evans› Mothman: I may have to look at the reprints, as some of y originals are looking very battered.
22/07/2008 21:33:18 ‹Russ› James, yes, but WotC's strategy still appears to be monetizing the players
22/07/2008 21:33:28 ‹Presence› Russ: Thanks! I'm pretty pleased too. We (lilith and I) have put a dozen hours into tweaking MySQL, apache, firewall, everything to increase performance.
22/07/2008 21:33:44 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Tha'ts WotC's strategy. Not Paizo's
22/07/2008 21:33:59 ‹Erik Mona› DM> The Companion products are aimed at players. To a large extent the Pathfinder Society is aimed at players, and that will trigger some purchases of supplementary material (though the campaign itself will be pretty much free).
22/07/2008 21:34:01 ‹KnightErrantJR› (Knight now retires from asking any rules system questions for a while)
22/07/2008 21:34:03 * Justin Sluder is a very nearly broke GM
22/07/2008 21:34:05 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik, have you communicated with Clark since he went strangely silent on the various boards following the release of the GSL?
22/07/2008 21:34:21 ‹Pygon› yes any word from Clark?
22/07/2008 21:34:30 ‹Presence› Russ: I figure next up is replacing the really heavy Apache with like lighttpd or something where there's not tons of overhead.
22/07/2008 21:34:35 ‹Russ› Paizo appeals to my market segment, which is the "bookshelf" type consumer. I want one of everything on my shelf for the systems I like. Which means it's got to be good on average, and not flooded.
22/07/2008 21:34:35 ‹Erik Mona› We'll do a rules book here and there, but I don't feel the need to do big books of new rules options every month or anything.
22/07/2008 21:34:38 ‹Justin Sluder› ToH PfRPG?
22/07/2008 21:34:49 ‹clight101› JJ or EM > So is the PFS DM and Player guide still on schedual for august 1st
22/07/2008 21:34:59 ‹James Jacobs› Clight> no
22/07/2008 21:35:09 ‹Mothman› It seems that Paizo is taking the approach that the adventures will be the main product lines and focus - other things will support them. Which is fantastic I think
22/07/2008 21:35:10 ‹Presence› No hard disk usage at all, everything's in RAM. Thats nice.
22/07/2008 21:35:21 ‹James Jacobs› We're doing a Pathfinder Society type PDF how-to type thingy, but it's not really a for-sale product.
22/07/2008 21:35:33 ‹Eyebite› Ooh Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants 2 is coming out, Yes!
22/07/2008 21:35:36 ‹Erik Mona› Right now I can think of a book containing about 10 new archetypal core classes (witch, kight, shadow caster, etc.), maybe something with psionics, and monster books. Maybe something like "Classic Monsters Revisited" with the core races and maybe a couple more.
22/07/2008 21:35:44 ‹Erik Mona› I don't really want to push it much beyond that.
22/07/2008 21:35:47 ‹Justin Sluder› Eyebite, :shock:
22/07/2008 21:35:56 ‹Erik Mona› (Plus lots and lots of monster books, of course.)
22/07/2008 21:36:06 ‹Eyebite› It has Summer Blockbuster written all over it
22/07/2008 21:36:10 ‹James Jacobs› I think doing a new Epic Level book would be worthwile to... although that chills my blood a little...
22/07/2008 21:36:11 ‹Daigle› Nice!
22/07/2008 21:36:15 ‹David› cool i read the word psionics
22/07/2008 21:36:19 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik Mona: s shadowcaster really archetypal?
22/07/2008 21:36:24 ‹Russ› Presence - our big MySQL wins have been no-brainer type stuff: 64 bit OS is a must, and set the index cache large enough to hold the index blocks for every major table plus a bit extra. We try and keep our key efficiency rate at 99%. Plus we turned some of the run-time only tables into HEAPs, which I think I hear you did.
22/07/2008 21:36:35 ‹Justin Sluder› PfRPG EPIC FTW!!
22/07/2008 21:36:46 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> It is if you read Earthsea.
22/07/2008 21:36:46 ‹greengrunt› That would be great if Paizo fixed up the epic rules
22/07/2008 21:36:49 ‹clight101› JJ > So will we still get the adventures or senarios for PFS as DM's on august 1st for GenCon?
22/07/2008 21:36:53 ‹Presence› Russ: thats sweet! right on.
22/07/2008 21:36:56 ‹Uzzy› What about something like an Unearthed Arcana type book, with varient rules for PFRPG? I can think of a few ideas that could fit in there.
22/07/2008 21:37:00 * Sir Wulf quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 21:37:02 ‹Erik Mona› Yoda> Of course I have been communicating with Clark.
22/07/2008 21:37:10 ‹Daigle› I'm not into epic play, but I've seen a buncha people asking for something like that.
22/07/2008 21:37:11 ‹yoda8myhead› James Jacobs, if anyone can design an epic level book, it's you. Your CR20+ demons in Dragon were always incredibly balanced
22/07/2008 21:37:13 ‹KnightErrantJR› Before the Shade were introduced as the be all end all of FR villains, I remember tons of "shadow" based villains in comics, for example. Maybe not straight ftantasy, but definitely shadow based villains.
22/07/2008 21:37:17 ‹Erik Mona› We haven't spoken in a week or so as I've been on vacation, but I will probably talk to him tomorrow.
22/07/2008 21:37:22 ‹James Jacobs› clight> I think the goal is to get the PF scenarios out by August 1st. Not sure, though...
22/07/2008 21:37:28 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, Psionics! :pirate:
22/07/2008 21:37:50 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, I'm eagerly awaiting the PFS stuff...since I'll be a Paizo slave at GenCon
22/07/2008 21:37:53 ‹James Jacobs› Yoda> Wow. Thanks! Designing those guys is pretty tough; glad to hear that someone thinks they work! :)
22/07/2008 21:37:55 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Hmm. Sorry, I seem to have been mixing Shadowcaster & FR shadowmages.
22/07/2008 21:37:58 ‹Russ› James - if you do Epic level, I hope the power level doesn't go up dramatically....Epic campaigns to me so need to be story-driven, rather than fight-heavy.
22/07/2008 21:38:02 ‹clight101› Me too Lilith, me too
22/07/2008 21:38:07 ‹Ross› Pathfinder has a policy of 'Gods don't have stat blocks', so I can assume we won't be seeing a Deities and Demigods.
22/07/2008 21:38:11 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, let him know we miss his presence, and that I for one am glad that he's not dead or anything
22/07/2008 21:38:14 ‹Daigle› Any teasers about the delve at GenCon this year?
22/07/2008 21:38:21 ‹Absinth› Wow, Psionics, a book with additional core classes and lots of monster books? I'm sold...
22/07/2008 21:38:25 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Ah. No prob!
22/07/2008 21:38:34 ‹Timitius› Erik Mona, oh hey! How WAS Whistler, anyway?
22/07/2008 21:38:38 ‹Erik Mona› DM Charles> I think it's archetypal, yeah. Moreso than "thief-acrobat," anyway.
22/07/2008 21:38:45 ‹Erik Mona› Or Warlord, for that matter.
21:38:51 ‹DM Charles Evans› James Jacobs: Please, no epic level book until those who complain aout how slow High Level play gets have been placated.
22/07/2008 21:38:59 ‹Russ› Ross - I'd much rather see a collected volume of all the god articles from PAthfinder, updated and revised. A Faith and Pantheons time book.
22/07/2008 21:38:59 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> Making Epic Level stuff story driven is ABSOLUTELY the way to go. I'd even say that the more potent you get, the less rules there SHOULD be.
22/07/2008 21:39:13 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, that's how I ran my epic game.
22/07/2008 21:39:19 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> We'll be doing Gods & Magic. But no stat blocks in there.
22/07/2008 21:39:21 ‹Russ› Amber is an example of a system that works for epic level :)
22/07/2008 21:39:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› Dead gods: besides Aroden, are there many deific members of the Choir Invisible, and is there anything special that happens to their bodies (such as the astral corpses of Planescape)
22/07/2008 21:39:27 ‹yoda8myhead› Russ, there will be Gods and Magic
22/07/2008 21:39:28 ‹James Jacobs› Demigods DO have stat blocks though...
22/07/2008 21:39:38 ‹greengrunt› Russ> Amber??
22/07/2008 21:39:41 ‹Erik Mona› Timitus> Whistler was very relaxing.
22/07/2008 21:39:50 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, excellent.
22/07/2008 21:39:58 ‹Russ› Greengrunt - Amber Diceless. A storytelling system from not so long ago.
22/07/2008 21:40:00 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> An epic level book is, at the very least, 2 years away. No worries about that any time soon.
22/07/2008 21:40:05 ‹Erik Mona› I now know why mystics and gurus and hermits seek mountain tops to do their heavy thinking. It is so peaceful and quiet!
22/07/2008 21:40:22 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> That'd be a great book! It's also a long way off, since we've only done 1/5 of the gods so far...
22/07/2008 21:40:24 ‹Ross› I only asked because I enjoyed Deities and Demigods...not for the stat blocks. THat was silly. It was all the other Godly stuff.
22/07/2008 21:40:32 ‹Russ› Erik - plus, they're close to a Starbucks up there.
22/07/2008 21:40:32 ‹Pygon› less air to force you to think logically too
22/07/2008 21:40:34 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> I'm sure we'll do that type of book eventually. For now Gods & Magic must suffice.
22/07/2008 21:40:42 ‹clight101› Just to throw it out there I love the Starstone and especialyl the drunken god who accidentally became a god. I'd love to read about his trials
22/07/2008 21:40:46 * Urza joins Main
22/07/2008 21:40:48 ‹greengrunt› :lol: 2Pygon
22/07/2008 21:40:48 ‹Timitius› Erik Mona, of course, they don't necessarily have zip lines to come down the mountain with.......:lol:
22/07/2008 21:41:00 ‹DM Charles Evans› ErIk: Depends on the mountain top. some *popular* British mountains can get very crowded... especialy when there are railways almost to the top (Snowdon, for example)
22/07/2008 21:41:03 ‹Daigle› Cayden Cailean rocks!
22/07/2008 21:41:06 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> You'll probably like Gods & Magic then... since it's basically the non-stat stuff for gods.
22/07/2008 21:41:26 ‹James Jacobs› We dont' really know what happens to dead gods yet. They don't end up on the Astral, though.
22/07/2008 21:41:29 ‹greengrunt› Hi Urza
22/07/2008 21:41:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik, sorry it took a few years for me to find the cool stuff you put in Faiths and Pantheons, since it was hidden behind the deific stat blocks . . .
22/07/2008 21:41:31 ‹clight101› thank god someone remember s names better than me, thanks Daigle
22/07/2008 21:41:31 ‹David› hi Urza
22/07/2008 21:41:34 ‹Urza› hi all
22/07/2008 21:41:40 ‹James Jacobs› There's a few dead bodies of the gods laying around in the outer planes here and there, though.
22/07/2008 21:41:42 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Urza
22/07/2008 21:41:44 ‹Erik Mona› Knight> I hated working on that project.
22/07/2008 21:41:46 ‹Absinth› Do Golarions planets have a breathable atmosphere?
22/07/2008 21:41:46 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Are you familiar with Oathbound?
22/07/2008 21:41:46 ‹Russ› Well, if I could pick Just One Product for Pathfinder, it would be Red Planet :)
22/07/2008 21:41:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› My sister in law works at Whistler.
22/07/2008 21:42:00 * Ross quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 21:42:01 ‹Erik Mona› Those stat blocks represent the single biggest waste of my time in the history of my life.
22/07/2008 21:42:05 ‹James Jacobs› I do enjoy reminding Erik of the Deity Stat Blocks.
22/07/2008 21:42:06 ‹KnightErrantJR› Any insights into that project Erik?
22/07/2008 21:42:11 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> Some of them do.
22/07/2008 21:42:17 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> I am.
22/07/2008 21:42:24 ‹KnightErrantJR› And I know very few Realms fans that cared about them, sadly.
22/07/2008 21:42:26 ‹DM Charles Evans› James acobs: Any questions for us?
22/07/2008 21:42:29 ‹Erik Mona› And I include every sermon I ever say through at church in the comparison, as well as all spelling quizzes and educational filmstrips.
22/07/2008 21:42:36 ‹Skeld› Erik Mona, that's a pretty impressive statement
22/07/2008 21:42:44 ‹David› The Planet of Nearly Enough Atmosphere!
22/07/2008 21:42:56 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Interesting what they did with ubergod in the setting yes?
22/07/2008 21:42:58 ‹Absinth› And the red and green one specifically?
22/07/2008 21:43:01 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Bastion Press published my first gaming book. And I played in Jim Butler's campaign for several years. I was there for a fair amount of his pre-work on Oathbound, as a result.
22/07/2008 21:43:02 ‹yoda8myhead› Erik Mona, even the sex filmstrips?
22/07/2008 21:43:14 ‹Russ› Are there in fact a lot of consumers that want stat blocks for gods? Because I've never met them, and yet they keep popping into the books. The 3E Deities and Demigods is a book devoid of any usefulness, thanks to being stuffed to the gills with stat blocks.
22/07/2008 21:43:19 ‹yoda8myhead› "You might notice hair growing in places iy didn't use to be"
22/07/2008 21:43:21 ‹Erik Mona› Those were interesting!
22/07/2008 21:43:23 ‹James Jacobs› Charles> Nope. No questions right yet....
22/07/2008 21:43:31 * Lilith got her first solo "book" published last week! :dance2::excite:
22/07/2008 21:43:33 ‹clight101› EM > Weren't those style stat blocks kinda the basis for the Kyssus stat block in age of worms?
22/07/2008 21:43:39 ‹greengrunt› JJ> That's awesome!
22/07/2008 21:43:40 ‹Erik Mona› When those filmstrips BEEPED to advance the image, you really felt like the BEEP meant something, you know?
22/07/2008 21:43:48 ‹Daigle› Go Lilz!
22/07/2008 21:43:51 ‹Rambling Scribe› !
22/07/2008 21:43:55 ‹Daigle› Erik :lol:!!
22/07/2008 21:43:57 ‹Timitius› YEAH LILZ!!!
22/07/2008 21:43:58 ‹DM Charles Evans› I found the stat-blocks useful for my 2nd edition AD&D FR game... I was a very Naive and green DM then, though.
22/07/2008 21:43:58 ‹Pygon› any word on how well it's doing Lilith?
22/07/2008 21:43:58 ‹Russ› We need adventures on the sphere of war! Tars Tarkas! Moorcock's giants! :)
22/07/2008 21:44:10 ‹Erik Mona› The 3e design team is and has always been overly enamored with crunch.
22/07/2008 21:44:11 ‹James Jacobs› Russ> The original Deities & Demigods for 1st edition had lots of god stat blocks, and I do suspect a lot of folk used it as a Monster Manual.
22/07/2008 21:44:23 ‹Erik Mona› The WotC design team, I should have said.
22/07/2008 21:44:26 ‹clight101› omg lag
22/07/2008 21:44:27 ‹Lilith› Pygon, no idea as of yet, but I don't have access to the sales figures.
22/07/2008 21:44:37 ‹Mothman› Nice one Lilith!
22/07/2008 21:44:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› I also found it ironic that the Realms were the first D&D setting to say "Gods don't have stats," and yet FR got smacked with a ton of godly stats in 3e
22/07/2008 21:44:38 * Russ has fond memories of Hemo the Magnificent in science class
22/07/2008 21:44:39 ‹clight101› gratz Lilith
22/07/2008 21:44:43 ‹Eyebite› Lilith - title?
22/07/2008 21:44:45 ‹James Jacobs› clight> Yeah. And building Kyuss' stat block inflicted 3d6 negative levels on me.
22/07/2008 21:44:45 * The chatroom goes NOM NOM NOM on bandwidth!
22/07/2008 21:44:50 ‹Presence› haha
22/07/2008 21:44:51 ‹Wyvern› Deities having stat-blocks are like commoners having stat-blocks to me.
22/07/2008 21:44:58 ‹DM Charles Evans› Ack. Gove me the 2nd edition monster manual any day, over third edition for details.
22/07/2008 21:44:58 ‹clight101› lol
22/07/2008 21:45:04 ‹clight101› that's hysterical
22/07/2008 21:45:07 ‹Erik Mona› The difference, James, is that the game was a lot more loosey goosey in those days, and Thor's stat block is no larger than that of a carbuncle.
22/07/2008 21:45:13 ‹Lilith› Eyebite, http://www.rpgnow.com/product_...=196915
22/07/2008 21:45:14 ‹Samwise› the wotc design team is different from the 3E design team?
22/07/2008 21:45:29 ‹Ross› I am quite looking forward to Gods & Magic.
22/07/2008 21:45:38 ‹Lilith› Ross, same!
22/07/2008 21:45:41 ‹Erik Mona› Sam> In many ways.
22/07/2008 21:45:42 ‹James Jacobs› Erik> Yup. Exactly. The game's changed a LOT since those days.
22/07/2008 21:45:44 ‹Urza› Thing I don't like about the 3e Deities & Demigods book is it was another book of incompatible systme building
22/07/2008 21:45:52 ‹Eyebite› Nice Lilith!
22/07/2008 21:45:52 ‹Russ› Besides, you can kill Thor with a push spell
22/07/2008 21:45:54 ‹Erik Mona› I meant to imply that the rules focus has not lessened with the advent of a new edition.
22/07/2008 21:46:02 ‹Urza› they shouldn't have made it until the epic rules were finalized to there cold have been post epic god rules
22/07/2008 21:46:03 ‹David› I'm already wiating for my next paizo sub shipment ;)
22/07/2008 21:46:13 ‹Timitius› Samwise, it is now. Hell, Paizo's hiring the 3e team in little bits and pieces!
22/07/2008 21:46:14 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> agreed
22/07/2008 21:46:15 ‹Samwise› Erik>ahhhh, ok
22/07/2008 21:46:15 ‹Erik Mona› Most of the 3e Deities & Demigods book was a worthless bore.
22/07/2008 21:46:23 ‹clight101› That's awesome Lilith
22/07/2008 21:46:29 * Lilith is glad she never fell into the temptation of 3e Deities & Demigods
22/07/2008 21:46:37 ‹Lilith› clight101, thanks!
22/07/2008 21:46:42 ‹Erik Mona› I LOVED the 1e version. It was actually the first D&D book I ever got, as I was interested in gods and legends before I was interested in D&D.
22/07/2008 21:46:44 ‹KnightErrantJR› 1e Deities and Demigods got me to read Fritz Leiber
22/07/2008 21:46:47 ‹Lilith› Though the 1e deity book was freakin' awesome.
22/07/2008 21:46:55 * Eyebite quit (timeout)
22/07/2008 21:47:06 ‹Russ› The first ed D&DG was a gem. And it had a lot of meat on the gods. The 3E pushed that meat out for more stats.
22/07/2008 21:47:11 ‹Samwise› Erik>i have my own ideas on what is wrong with 4E, i expect the focus on crunch is involved
22/07/2008 21:47:12 ‹Lilith› I'm still kicking myself in the ass for not picking up the original Fiend Folio at the used book store! D'oh! :ohnoes:
22/07/2008 21:47:15 ‹James Jacobs› The 1st edition version is cool. It got me started on Lovecraft, actaully. That, and my grandpa.
22/07/2008 21:47:17 ‹Urza› oh james.. btw.. I got your first Dungeon on ebay yesterday :)
22/07/2008 21:47:17 ‹clight101› Is that the one with the native american mythos and Chineese Mythos
22/07/2008 21:47:20 ‹KnightErrantJR› To this day the Fafhrd and Mouser books are some of my favorite fantasy books ever.
22/07/2008 21:47:29 ‹Erik Mona› The value of that book (aside from its use as a Monster Manual) was in the wide variety of deific beings on offer, as well as the various examples of different cultures and literary traditions layered on top of vanilla D&D.
22/07/2008 21:47:30 ‹clight101› or was that advanced
22/07/2008 21:47:35 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> HA! How much?
22/07/2008 21:47:42 ‹BM› I wouldn't mind a dieties book with stats but really, If you do diety level statting, you should just treat it like a differnet game.
22/07/2008 21:47:47 ‹Urza› $2.99
21:47:54 ‹Russ› Yeah, it was one of the first books to promote varying the rules slightly for different cultures.
22/07/2008 21:48:00 ‹James Jacobs› Also, the 1st edition Deities and Demigods was FILLED with cool flavor and stuff.
22/07/2008 21:48:03 ‹James Jacobs› Urza> WIN!
22/07/2008 21:48:09 ‹Urza› hehe
22/07/2008 21:48:14 ‹Erik Mona› Because of the bulky, near-worthless Epic Level statblocks of 3.0, the 3e Deities & Demigods book had something like three pantheons, with almost nothing "outside the box" or in any way other than expected.
22/07/2008 21:48:26 ‹Russ› I actually dug into the DDG (1st ed) for my final RPG Superstar entry, as a starting point for which gods to use.
22/07/2008 21:48:42 ‹James Jacobs› The problem I have with deity stat blocks is 100% the bloat and size. If a deity stat block takes up as much room as they do in 1st edition's Deities & Demigods... I've got much less of a problem with them.
22/07/2008 21:48:54 ‹Russ› (I supplemented it with a fair amount of real-world research to flesh it out)
22/07/2008 21:48:59 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, I think that was my disappointment - I was expecting 1e's god book, and 3e's was...not it.
22/07/2008 21:49:00 ‹Samwise› heh
22/07/2008 21:49:15 ‹Samwise› i was actually looking at my ancient gamma world 2nd ed book today
22/07/2008 21:49:16 ‹Pygon› speaking of epic, I wouldn't mind elder brains and demi-liches getting knocked down in power a bit...
22/07/2008 21:49:19 ‹David› my diety statblock God X die horribly
22/07/2008 21:49:21 ‹Erik Mona› Also: Erol Otus. Jeff Dee. Dave Trampier. The book is the crown jewel of TSR's art department.
22/07/2008 21:49:25 ‹KnightErrantJR› But you know, classically, I rarely think of heroes challenging gods like, say, Zeus or Odin in physical combat . . .
22/07/2008 21:49:25 ‹Samwise› an entire game system in a 64 page book
22/07/2008 21:49:35 ‹David› God y die slowly
22/07/2008 21:49:36 ‹Samwise› with maybe 8 more pages of tables in a supplement
22/07/2008 21:49:38 ‹Lilith› On that note...can we get some goodies about Pathfinder's Gods & Magic
22/07/2008 21:49:44 ‹Russ› Samwise - The Cleansing War of Garik Blackhand!
22/07/2008 21:49:48 ‹Samwise› bloat in stat blocks?
22/07/2008 21:49:50 ‹James Jacobs› That said... I actually DO like the current 3.5 size for stat blocks. For standard monsters, that is. I actually DO like a bit of complexity for my monsters, and stats that support them beyond 3 to 6 rounds of combat.
22/07/2008 21:49:50 ‹David› God z i'm dead already?
22/07/2008 21:49:53 ‹Timitius› Samwise, I still have the original boxed set of Gamma World.
22/07/2008 21:50:09 ‹Samwise› Timitius>i have that too :-P
22/07/2008 21:50:22 ‹greengrunt› Tim> I love that stuff
22/07/2008 21:50:25 ‹clight101› I so wish I had the origonal Gamma world
22/07/2008 21:50:27 ‹Russ› Yes. I like a full range of physical and mental stats on a monster. That was an aggravation for me in 1/2E
22/07/2008 21:50:29 ‹greengrunt› Lost mine : (
22/07/2008 21:50:37 ‹Erik Mona› The thing is, adding 20 feats to a character makes him _more_ difficult and _less_ fun to run, and throwing in a dozen more powers doesn't really help either.
22/07/2008 21:50:50 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Sure! Each god has a 2-page entry, similar to a new monster entry in Pathfinder (but with MUCH less stats and more flavor). Each also gets 1-2 deity-themed spells.
22/07/2008 21:50:55 ‹Timitius› I bought it, and the Top Secret box set, at a farm supply store in my hometown in Nebraska.
22/07/2008 21:50:57 ‹KnightErrantJR› Oddly enough, Gamma World never really did much for me.
22/07/2008 21:51:06 ‹Timitius› I think they were $10 each.
22/07/2008 21:51:10 ‹Erik Mona› And because a god's stat block is so infinitely complex, there are bound to be disastrous errors therein missed by both desigers and editors.
22/07/2008 21:51:13 ‹Justin Sluder› James Jacobs, :w00t:
22/07/2008 21:51:13 * Russ has GW 1st - 4th, Gamma Knight, Gammarauders, Metamorphosis Alpha, Metamrphois Alpha to Omega (Amazing Engine), and Alternity Gamma World. No D20 Gamma World, tho.
22/07/2008 21:51:14 ‹David› Farm supply?
22/07/2008 21:51:16 ‹James Jacobs› There'll also be a lot of magic items and a few artifacts in there, along with more details on the OTHER gods of Golarion. Like Besmara, Zyphus, Ghlaunder, Milani, and Dahak.
22/07/2008 21:51:20 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Artifacts? Shiny good goods? Heralds? Alternate summon lists?
22/07/2008 21:51:29 ‹clight101› Gamma was the first RPG I ever played
22/07/2008 21:51:29 ‹Rathendar› are the diety-themed spells restricted to that diety's church only?
22/07/2008 21:51:33 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, any empyreal lords or demon lords?
22/07/2008 21:51:36 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, like Hextor not have Blackguard levels?
22/07/2008 21:51:38 ‹clight101› Kinda sentimental for me
22/07/2008 21:51:45 ‹KnightErrantJR› One thing I also missed in 3rd edition . . . not much done with artifacts.
22/07/2008 21:51:50 * ollibolli joins Main
22/07/2008 21:51:52 ‹greengrunt› Top Secret.. Wow.. Operation Sprechenhaltestle?? Operation Rapidstrike
22/07/2008 21:51:56 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya olli
22/07/2008 21:52:01 ‹Pygon› morning olli :)
22/07/2008 21:52:03 ‹Daigle› Howdy ollibolli
22/07/2008 21:52:03 ‹Russ› MM Alpha is actually really fun :)
22/07/2008 21:52:04 ‹DM Charles Evans› Good Morning ollibolli.
22/07/2008 21:52:09 ‹David› hi olli
22/07/2008 21:52:09 ‹Lilith› Hey there ollibolli!
22/07/2008 21:52:11 ‹greengrunt› Hi Olli
22/07/2008 21:52:14 ‹Russ› Top Secret SI is the bomb!
22/07/2008 21:52:19 ‹Absinth› Hey Ollibolli!
22/07/2008 21:52:22 ‹James Jacobs› Artifacts: A few. Items: Several. Heralds: they'll all be named and breifly described. Alternate summon lists: Nope; those stay in the Pathfinder articles.
22/07/2008 21:52:23 ‹Erik Mona› Knight> Again, that's the myopic rules focus at play.
22/07/2008 21:52:29 ‹James Jacobs› Rathendar> not sure yet.
22/07/2008 21:52:37 ‹Timitius› I followed up those purchases with the Star Frontiers box set.
22/07/2008 21:52:40 ‹Rathendar› ty james.
22/07/2008 21:52:40 ‹James Jacobs› Rathendar> We might restrict them to a church, we might not.
22/07/2008 21:52:50 ‹ollibolli› hi all
22/07/2008 21:52:54 ‹greengrunt› Whatever happend to ... Merle Rasmussen was it?
22/07/2008 21:52:59 ‹James Jacobs› Lilith> Not much on the empyreal lords, demon lords, arch devils, or horsmen. I suspect that'
22/07/2008 21:53:05 ‹Russ› Ah good, I really like a light outline of divine servants. Will you be including common portents as well?
22/07/2008 21:53:07 ‹KnightErrantJR› I love artifacts that have really kind of open ended powers that drive stories rather than plusses and specific powers and the like.
22/07/2008 21:53:11 ‹James Jacobs› will be its own book, or series of books
22/07/2008 21:53:11 * Lilith found the 2e Book of Artifacts and has been liberally deriving ideas from it.
22/07/2008 21:53:12 ‹Russ› Greengrunt - of the Rasmussen Files!
22/07/2008 21:53:18 ‹Lilith› James Jacobs, Excellent. :woot:
22/07/2008 21:53:20 ‹Rathendar› and good evening to you both. i just spend the past 15 minutes speedreading the severalhundred messages in this chat i missed =p
22/07/2008 21:53:36 ‹Russ› Timitius - did it come with a full set of pieces?
22/07/2008 21:53:47 ‹greengrunt› :D .. Umm.. the guy who wrote much of Top Secret 1st ed?
21:53:53 ‹James Jacobs› Common portents, if I recall, are actually in the hardcover Campaign Setting entries.
22/07/2008 21:54:01 ‹Russ› Anyone want to play some STar Frontier Knight Hawks at the next Con?
22/07/2008 21:54:02 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, I'd love one book devoted to each other plane and it's denizens, even if each of those books is only 32 pages.
22/07/2008 21:54:02 ‹Skeld› night everyone
22/07/2008 21:54:08 ‹Timitius› Russ, you mean the little cardboard squares that served as minis?
22/07/2008 21:54:09 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik/James: Any possibility of a partnership between FFG & Titan Games to produce a board game for Pathfinder? I was looking at the back of a Runebound (?) box the other day, and thinking FFG seem to have some interesting ideas on board game design that might work well with Pathfinder?
22/07/2008 21:54:09 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night Skeld
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22/07/2008 21:54:18 ‹greengrunt› Night Skeld
22/07/2008 21:54:19 ‹Pygon› bye Skeld
22/07/2008 21:54:20 ‹Rathendar› one thing maybe with diety themed spells is you could design them for level x, and then let other clerics access them at a level higher.
22/07/2008 21:54:25 ‹Lilith› Ross, ooh, neat idea. :)
22/07/2008 21:54:27 ‹Russ› Timitius - aye. You can get a PDF of them if they were missing.
22/07/2008 21:54:29 ‹James Jacobs› Ross> That's probably too much to cover this early...
22/07/2008 21:54:37 ‹Daigle› Bye Skeld!
22/07/2008 21:54:40 ‹Mr Baron› FFG does a great job on their board games
22/07/2008 21:54:49 ‹Timitius› Russ, yes. And I STILL HAVE THEM!
22/07/2008 21:54:52 ‹ollibolli› gn8 skeld
22/07/2008 21:54:54 ‹DM Charles Evans› Goodnight Skeld
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22/07/2008 21:55:00 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, That would be what, 20 books? String them out over the next 4 years.
22/07/2008 21:55:06 ‹Ross› Or more.
22/07/2008 21:55:15 ‹Absinth› Books on single planes sound too specific to me, but a Manual Of The Planes kinda book seems to be a no-brainer...
22/07/2008 21:55:26 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah, 20 books. Books we could use instead to expand Golarion and it's stuff.
22/07/2008 21:55:26 ‹Ross› Absinth, that would work too.
22/07/2008 21:55:37 ‹KnightErrantJR› Especially if an adventure or two takes place there . . . heh
22/07/2008 21:55:39 ‹Ross› James Jacobs, good point!
22/07/2008 21:55:43 ‹Mr Baron› I am actually very curious on what the plan is for the planets
22/07/2008 21:55:43 ‹James Jacobs› A Manual of the Planes type book would be a lot more doable and likely.
22/07/2008 21:55:43 ‹Erik Mona› I suspect that we'll do any Pathfinder board games ourselves.
22/07/2008 21:55:57 ‹Mr Baron› after reading all the mars stuff in the planet books
22/07/2008 21:56:00 ‹Erik Mona› We've got three of them out already, dontcha know?
22/07/2008 21:56:00 ‹Russ› Yes! I eager await Falcon 's Hollow goes To Hell
22/07/2008 21:56:01 ‹James Jacobs› Yup. We have the technology to boardgame it up right here in Paizo.
22/07/2008 21:56:03 * Urza wants a big book of evil about Asmodeus
22/07/2008 21:56:14 ‹Lilith› Erik Mona, neat! Any plans to do more card game rules with the Harrow Deck?
22/07/2008 21:56:26 ‹Pygon› a lower planes book with Hell done right (based on FC 2) would be good
22/07/2008 21:56:27 ‹Russ› Mr Baron - there have been rumors in past chats of the Red Planet and Green Planet type approach in the Golarion system
22/07/2008 21:56:33 ‹KnightErrantJR› I apologize to any Planescape fans, but I liked the 1st edition Manual of the Planes more than the Planescape setting (not that I didn't like some of the lore from that setting)
22/07/2008 21:56:36 ‹Absinth› And I hope Pathfinders MotP will give more space to each plane than the 3.0 MotP.
22/07/2008 21:56:38 ‹Rambling Scribe› :sleep:
22/07/2008 21:56:42 ‹Pygon› based on opinions I[ve heard of FC 2 rather.
22/07/2008 21:56:50 ‹greengrunt› I was bummed that Hellknights wouldn't be covered in PFCS... Drove me to drink :razz:
22/07/2008 21:56:54 * Urza wants a Pathfinder RPG Player's Kit complete with softcover version of the core book... god I love the softcover PHB from the 3.5 kit
22/07/2008 21:56:58 ‹James Jacobs› Castrovel (the green planet) and Akiton (the red planet) are very much Planet Stories inspired.
22/07/2008 21:57:01 ‹Russ› I loved the original MotP. It was the seed of a lot of work on the planes.
22/07/2008 21:57:02 ‹Rambling Scribe› I'm falling asleep at the keyboard folks. I'll see some of you tomorrow night!
22/07/2008 21:57:09 ‹Pygon› gnite Scribe!
22/07/2008 21:57:12 ‹Samwise› ps was ultra cool
22/07/2008 21:57:12 ‹greengrunt› Night RS
22/07/2008 21:57:14 ‹KnightErrantJR› Night RS
22/07/2008 21:57:18 ‹Absinth› Night, Rambling Scribe!
22/07/2008 21:57:21 ‹Daigle› Goodnight Scribbles!
22/07/2008 21:57:22 ‹Samwise› if a bit bizarre :-P
22/07/2008 21:57:24 ‹Rambling Scribe› Night all!
22/07/2008 21:57:29 ‹Mr Baron› and they are in the CS..right??
22/07/2008 21:57:30 ‹clight101› Aren't the hellknights on the cover of the PFCS?
22/07/2008 21:57:35 ‹Lilith› Rambling Scribe, Night!
22/07/2008 21:57:32 ‹ollibolli› gn8 rs
22/07/2008 21:57:33 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Hellknights ARE covered. They have 2 pages in the hardcover. No rules though. Those are probably not coming till after we have the PFRPG out.
22/07/2008 21:57:50 ‹Hill Giant› I should go if I'm gonna catch my movie; 'night, all!
22/07/2008 21:57:52 ‹Russ› I am dying for an Akiton supplement
22/07/2008 21:57:56 ‹Erik Mona› Planescape was a great idea with some shoddy direction and three ounces too much of pretention.
22/07/2008 21:57:56 ‹Absinth› Clight, no. It has the Whispering Tyrant on the cover.
22/07/2008 21:58:03 ‹Eyebite› Aucturn, the planet from "Entombed" - any future plans for it?
22/07/2008 21:58:03 ‹KnightErrantJR› The thing I didn't like about Planescape though was that it has elements that "overwrote" other campaign settings, in the interest of making it viable by itself.
22/07/2008 21:58:03 ‹yoda8myhead› ollibolli, no
22/07/2008 21:58:04 ‹Pygon› bye HG
22/07/2008 21:58:05 ‹clight101› even better
22/07/2008 21:58:10 ‹Samwise› heh
22/07/2008 21:58:11 ‹Timitius› What I liked about Planescape was that Sigil pretty much was home base, and you could adventure off to Hell, or Pandemonium, or.....
22/07/2008 21:58:16 ‹Samwise› the pretention was intended
22/07/2008 21:58:16 * Ross has a tendency to overestimate the number of pages Paizo can put out when asking for content.
22/07/2008 21:58:16 ‹James Jacobs› Absinth> If we do a Manual of the Planes, chances are good it will be quite a bit shorter than the hardcover Manual was.
22/07/2008 21:58:19 ‹yoda8myhead› oops olli, hit the wrong name
22/07/2008 21:58:20 ‹greengrunt› JJ> Ok... That means I can stop blowing my paycheck on Jack Daniels now :)
22/07/2008 21:58:24 ‹DM Charles Evans› Erik:With boardgames how messy does it get, legally speaking, if you have aspects of a game which resemble aspects of someone else's who is not a busines partner? I'm concerned (if FFG are like WotC got with M:tG) about interesting mechanics have been 'taken' by someone else already?
22/07/2008 21:58:28 ‹Urza› get your Whispering Tyrant mini from Paizo.com... he's so evil you can't help but WIN!
22/07/2008 21:58:28 ‹Russ› And I'm hoping the low gravity aspect is embraced - easier Jump checks
22/07/2008 21:58:42 ‹clight101› I was about to join you greengrunt
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22/07/2008 21:58:47 ‹KnightErrantJR› I don't think that the planehopping campaign setting should determine the afterlife of people in Toril or Oerth, just because they both touch the same planes.
22/07/2008 21:58:49 ‹Samwise› and either they decided to treat it as something to be mocked or that was planned from the beginning
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22/07/2008 21:58:57 ‹Erik Mona› My "take" on the Abyss as presented in Hordes of the Abyss is 100% compatible with both Planescape and the Manual of the Planes (1e). It just didn't soak in cheap slang and fear of offending stuffy people or Lorraine Williams.
22/07/2008 21:59:02 ‹ollibolli› was already wondering if i my otherself had tped anything
22/07/2008 21:59:13 ‹Pygon› Planescape offering separate sets on the Lawful and Chaotic planes instead of Good and Evil didn't sit too well with me either :)
22/07/2008 21:59:20 ‹Samwise› id love to hear from the people who wrote it
22/07/2008 21:59:38 ‹KnightErrantJR› Fiendish Codex I was on my short list of favorite 3rd edition products ever . . .
22/07/2008 21:59:45 ‹Samwise› Erik>yes, it was nice that FC I was PS compatible
22/07/2008 21:59:46 ‹James Jacobs› Eyebite> Absolutly. We talk a bit about ALL the planets in Pathfinder 14, in fact. Amogn them, Aucturn. Although the info in J1 is a bit out of date... chalk that up to the ancients not having all the info they needed!
22/07/2008 22:00:09 ‹Erik Mona› DM> I have never seen a case like that in action, so I cannot say how messy it could get. Sorry.
22/07/2008 22:00:09 ‹Samwise› and indeed, it was a point against FC II that the ancient baatorians somehow got lost in the shuffle
22/07/2008 22:00:10 ‹Daigle› Silly ancients.
22/07/2008 22:00:14 ‹Urza› KnightErrantJR, Fiendish Codex I is on THE short list of good WOTC books :)
22/07/2008 22:00:15 ‹Absinth› JJ, I can understand this decision, but you wouldn't have to devote pages and pages to variant cosmologies and stuff, but could devote this pages to the planes itself. So, a thinner book doesn't have to mean that it has even less infos on the planes than the MotP.
22/07/2008 22:00:17 ‹Russ› Pygon - it is somewhat of a sane split, though.That way, 2/3rds of each book can go to the interesting planes. The good planes are short on useful material for books.
22/07/2008 22:00:28 ‹Mothman› Fiendish Codex 1 rawked! FC2 ... not as much...
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22/07/2008 22:00:29 ‹KnightErrantJR› True Urza
22/07/2008 22:00:31 ‹James Jacobs› Pathfinder 14's article about the solar system is VERY MUCH flavor. There's not much crunch in it at all.
22/07/2008 22:00:33 ‹Eyebite› Cool cool. We're playing J1 online, and Aucturn just came up 2 sessions ago
22/07/2008 22:00:41 ‹Lilith› Mothman, I agree with your assessment...
22/07/2008 22:00:43 ‹James Jacobs› Rules for other planets and how they're different get to wait for later.
22/07/2008 22:00:54 ‹Pygon› Russ - understood, but for adventure ideas though I would have just wanted the Evil side to start.
22/07/2008 22:00:58 ‹Samwise› Erik>dont forget, that slang was a way of getting some rather extreme things past the corporate censors
22/07/2008 22:01:05 ‹Mothman› Thanks Liz!
22/07/2008 22:01:12 ‹greengrunt› JJ> How is Buhlman coming with PF 15 was it?? :razz:
22/07/2008 22:01:24 ‹Mothman› I love the Abyss - I'd like to do a whole campaign set there one day ... or at least based around it
22/07/2008 22:01:29 ‹greengrunt› or was it 17? ... Crap!
22/07/2008 22:01:35 ‹Erik Mona› Well, Hell is loaded with a lot lamer "canon" than the Abyss (which is one reason I had no interest in writing that book).
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22/07/2008 22:01:50 ‹James Jacobs› Yeah; making FC1 compatable with Planescape was actaully a pretty huge point with me. But making it compatable with the 30 years of history was more important.
22/07/2008 22:01:59 ‹KnightErrantJR› Honestly, though, the slang could feel like atmosphere . . . but it didn't take much for it to burn me out on reading Planescape products with too much of it.
22/07/2008 22:02:00 ‹DM Charles Evans› With regard to "nd edition Planescape, etc, the trouble is that having had my first experiences of Yugoloths, Batezu, and Tanar'ri, I expect to see them continue to be named such races....
22/07/2008 22:02:06 * Christopher Utley joins Main
22/07/2008 22:02:14 ‹clight101› BTW, having Vaughn write PF 11 and 13 is just awesome. I just hope he doesn't die doing it
22/07/2008 22:02:18 ‹greengrunt› Hi Chris
22/07/2008 22:02:18 ‹Daigle› Howdy Christopher
22/07/2008 22:02:18 ‹Lilith› Christopher Utley! Welcome! :glomp:
22/07/2008 22:02:20 ‹Justin Sluder› hiya Chris
22/07/2008 22:02:31 ‹Samwise› KEJR>the writers realized that, thats why they started toning it down
22/07/2008 22:02:37 * yoda8myhead is unfamiliar with the "slang
22/07/2008 22:02:39 ‹DM Charles Evans› They were those races in the first planescape I played, so I like to see them continue to carry those names.
22/07/2008 22:02:40 ‹James Jacobs› Greengrunt> Bulmahn has until Thursday morning to be done with his adventure. He has promised that will be the case. If it's not... things may get... ugly.
22/07/2008 22:02:43 ‹Absinth› I liked both FC books. Some of the best books released by WotC...
22/07/2008 22:02:43 ‹Russ› Yeah. if you want a good D&D Hell, throw out nearly everything and go right back to Greenwood's 3 dragon articles.
22/07/2008 22:02:46 ‹KnightErrantJR› Yeah, I noticed that in later products
22/07/2008 22:02:53 ‹greengrunt› :lol:
22/07/2008 22:02:58 ‹Erik Mona› Sam> I think there was a lot of cutesy bullshit going on at TSR in order to sneak stuff by the superiors or dodge responsiblity or what have you. I joined WotC in 1999, and many of the people who came from Wisconsin were still hugely timid and utterly paranoid about covering their asses and not standing out from the crowd in order to avoid getting slammed down.
22/07/2008 22:03:01 ‹Daigle› James, can you offer any teasers for AP4? Or didja already and I just missed it?
22/07/2008 22:03:02 ‹Erik Mona› It was very strange.
22/07/2008 22:03:13 ‹Samwise› they were remarkably involved for awhile on the PS mailing list
22/07/2008 22:03:20 ‹Erik Mona› TSR must have been a TERRIBLE place to work, especially around the end.
22/07/2008 22:03:24 ‹James Jacobs› clight> Yeah; Greg did great on 11 AND 13. He then jumped right into the Darklands. He's a trooper!
22/07/2008 22:03:31 ‹Lilith› Daigle, I hear it might be dry and warm in AP 4. :)
22/07/2008 22:03:36 ‹Mothman› Absinth: I didnt mind FC2, but it didnt live up to FC1. That may be, as Erik says, because Hell is just not as cool
22/07/2008 22:03:38 ‹Daigle› :)
22/07/2008 22:03:39 ‹Russ› 1999. Man, the years are just sailing by.
22/07/2008 22:03:49 ‹KnightErrantJR› Erik, how did you feel about "A Guide to Hell?"
22/07/2008 22:03:50 ‹Eyebite› *crazy excited about AP4*
22/07/2008 22:03:53 ‹Timitius› yoda8myhead, What? Ya didn't know the chant? You berk! I oughta put you in the deadbook for that!
22/07/2008 22:03:56 ‹Ross› Erik Mona, is that why Cure stopped being Necromancy? Residual demon-hunting?
22/07/2008 22:04:00 ‹Christopher Utley› Wow, I logged in, went to look at a book in the library website, and find I missed all the warm greetings.
22/07/2008 22:04:01 ‹greengrunt› Thanks for that little reminder Russ ](*,)
22/07/2008 22:04:03 ‹James Jacobs› Daigle> No AP4 teasers tonight. Next week, maybe.
22/07/2008 22:04:08 ‹Samwise› Erik>i wouldnt doubt it, there is a lot that comes across in their tone in conversation
22/07/2008 22:04:09 ‹Ross› I ask because it's relevant to a boards debate.
22/07/2008 22:04:14 ‹Daigle› Cool
22/07/2008 22:04:20 ‹yoda8myhead› Timitius, that was all before my time
22/07/2008 22:04:38 ‹Russ› Mothman - Hell, as portrayed in Dragon Magazine and MotP, was just great. But it was so well done that there's not that much left to do, and as a result I think more of what was added was lame than what was done with the Abyss
Thanks Lilith!