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Hi there kids! It's the Eldritch Mr. Shiny, your friendly yet cynical pal!
Now, I've recently come into the knowledge that the human race is beginning to exceed the carrying capacity of our planet. Anyone who knows anyting about ecology knows that after carrying capacity is reached, the population decreases until a state of dynamic equilibrium is reached.
Problem is, for that to happen, a lotta people have to die. That is d-i-e. Cease to exist as a thinking being. Croak.
Anyway, there are a veritable corn-u-copia of ways for the End of Days (as all you church-goin' folk say) to go down. And, on top of that, I haven't the foggiest idea when it's going to happen.
SO, I have proposed a contest. Place your bets* as to when the apocalypse will happen (any time from RIGHT NOW to an indefinite number of years in the future), and/or HOW IT WILL TAKE PLACE (aliens, government conspiracy, nuclear winter, tainted barbecue sauce, etc...).
WOOT! Let the speculatin' begin!
*Note: bets will be collected AFTER the end of the human race as we know it. Void if winning recipient is deceased along wiht the majority of the human population.
Everyone will become infertile -it's already happening. 2050 (ish) Maybe? Or a big war. Oh -Zombie plague! That would be exciting!
I just hope I survive as (an old person and cyber shaman) to ride (a huge mutated elk) through a moss covered london -hunting wolves among the upturned double deckers and spearing neo-BNP'ers on my lance (fashioned from a 'no entry' sign.) ;)
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Everyone will become infertile -it's already happening. 2050 (ish) Maybe? Or a big war. Oh -Zombie plague! That would be exciting!
I just hope I survive as (an old person and cyber shaman) to ride (a huge mutated elk) through a moss covered london -hunting wolves among the upturned double deckers and spearing neo-BNP'ers on my lance (fashioned from a 'no entry' sign.) ;)
WWIII: 2009-2012. Should take out 20% of the world, minimum.
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well, I read we could get to near 10 billion if we all top eating meat and get rid of cows and these creatures that share or resource crops and reclaim all of these grazing areas and whatnot for grain type resources; add this to the fact that the farther away in the food chain an item is the more nutrition your body can draw from it; ie meat is the least effiecient form of energy for us; it makes a compellign arguement, but you wont see me lining up to not eat meat.
The estimates I saw for the next world war were more like 2/3 of our worlds current population dead. Well, I cannot give a year, but it wont be this year; it will happen during whatever time is springtime in the middle east; think it was spring, but the time was given as for when a certain plant/flower blooms; it only blooms 2 weeks a year. Am guessing 2012 to 2019.
That's not a lot of time for me to stockplie gizmos and techno-bits that will allow me to look like a mage! Or enough time to allow people to forget things like tazers, polaroids and glowsticks once existed!
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well, I read we could get to near 10 billion if we all top eating meat and get rid of cows and these creatures that share or resource crops and reclaim all of these grazing areas and whatnot for grain type resources; add this to the fact that the farther away in the food chain an item is the more nutrition your body can draw from it; ie meat is the least effiecient form of energy for us; it makes a compellign arguement, but you wont see me lining up to not eat meat.
The estimates I saw for the next world war were more like 2/3 of our worlds current population dead. Well, I cannot give a year, but it wont be this year; it will happen during whatever time is springtime in the middle east; think it was spring, but the time was given as for when a certain plant/flower blooms; it only blooms 2 weeks a year. Am guessing 2012 to 2019.
I read that too but didnt want to startle anyone, so i kept the number purposefully low.
Thoth-Amon
I think it will be a holy war with the "West": U.S., Western Europe, Israel, Half of Russia and India and a handful of other countries VS. the rest of the world, ending in the "West" using Iseral as our assassin. We and They will then use nuclear or biological weapons to destory each other. I think before this all will happen however that several "race wars" will break out causing rioting and genocide and hate crimes will increase all over the world. I'll bet 2040-2070.
Fizz
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well, I read we could get to near 10 billion if we all top eating meat and get rid of cows and these creatures that share or resource crops and reclaim all of these grazing areas and whatnot for grain type resources; add this to the fact that the farther away in the food chain an item is the more nutrition your body can draw from it; ie meat is the least effiecient form of energy for us; it makes a compellign arguement, but you wont see me lining up to not eat meat.
The estimates I saw for the next world war were more like 2/3 of our worlds current population dead. Well, I cannot give a year, but it wont be this year; it will happen during whatever time is springtime in the middle east; think it was spring, but the time was given as for when a certain plant/flower blooms; it only blooms 2 weeks a year. Am guessing 2012 to 2019.
Not that I'm a proponent of overpopulation, but there are all sorts of dire predictions dating from the late 1700 and 1800's regarding the ability of arable land to feed all the people on the Earth. Advances in farming resulted in those predictions being wildly inaccurate. This is not to say that there isn't a limit to the ability to increase the food supply, but that a limit has been predicted, and exceeded, many times in the past.
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Nonsense. Look at the census data for all industrialized countries and you will see that the reproduction rates are lower than the 2.2 kids necessary to maintain their 'native' populations. And thanks to the 'benefits' of globalization, soon every country will be affluent and industrialized, meaning that we'll all lose the desire to reproduce and the world population will stop growing. Then we'll all starve under the cost of social benefits that dead politicians promised our convalescing parents.
Either that, or some big flu will come along and nearly everyone will die of nausea.
And also, I have some prime south florida real estate for sale cheap!
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Ever see the movie Day After Tomorrow?
Well... I'm putting my money on it being like that, but with less bang and more whimper. From what I know of hate in this world, I favor Ice.
And sooooooon. Sooner than we think.
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Ever see the movie Day After Tomorrow?
I HATE THAT MOVIE SO MUCH!!!!
Sorry, it's a painful experience.
I loved the part where the heroes outrun the creeping cold snap, and block it by closing a door. Yeah there's some solid science in that there film.
Also the sun is going nova in like 3 billion years so there isn't really a point at all, is there?
I loved the part where the heroes outrun the creeping cold snap, and block it by closing a door. Yeah there's some solid science in that there film.
I also like the part in ID where the lady, boy and dog jump in a doorway to avoid the big blast of firey doom that seems to turn everything to ashes.
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Ever see the movie Day After Tomorrow?
Well... I'm putting my money on it being like that, but with less bang and more whimper. From what I know of hate in this world, I favor Ice.
And sooooooon. Sooner than we think.
Haven't seen the movie. But I really like Robert Frost.
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Here is my scenario: Mad scientists will create genetic super-insects, who will then organize all the other insects into a massive army, with the intention of wiping out humanity. Other mad scientists will create an artificial intellignece which, contrary to Hollywood opinion, will actually like the human race and attempt to defend us. Eventually, after much death and destruction, the war will end and peace will be achieved. A much diminished humanity will join with their AI allies and insectile former enemies in leaving this world for the stars - hilarity ensues.
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That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane -
Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -
world serves its own needs, don't misserve your own needs. Feed it up a knock,
speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,
down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for
hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies
breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered
crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,
common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its
own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the
reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright
light, feeling pretty psyched.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn,
return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning,
blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle,
light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
and I decline.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide. Mount St. Edelite.
Leonard Bernstein. Leonid Breshnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs.
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You symbiotic, patriotic,
slam, but neck, right? Right.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine...fine...
(It's time I had some time alone)
I'm betting 2012. That's when the Mayan calender ends. Anyway, I'm throwing an end of the world party on December 21.
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Ever see the movie Day After Tomorrow?
I HATE THAT MOVIE SO MUCH!!!!
Sorry, it's a painful experience.
Oh yeah... That movie is sublimely painful in it's mind-numbing crapulence. And running from the seemingly-intelligent, malicious cold snap that actually chases the principal actors around corners and is so cold it'll take down helicopters yet it's stopped by a wooden door and a campfire?
Wow.
However, much like all of the ridiculous drivel that is spewed forth from the mind of Michael Crichton, this movie had (buried very deeply, and blown WAY out of proportion) a core of sound scientific theory. The idea, that global warming can cause polar melting which causes a desalination of the deep ocean which causes a breakdown of the worldwide deep ocean current which causes massive and devastating climatological shifts, is sound... at least according to PBS.
This is how I expect that we'll kill ourselves. Hopefully, something will survive us.
Missiles shmissiles. The oceans are dying.
I'm betting 2012. That's when the Mayan calender ends. Anyway, I'm throwing an end of the world party on December 21.
Yeppers. I think they might be on to something. Oh, and I expect an invite to the end of the world :P\
As far as how we'll go? I think the world is just going to burn on the in and out sides enough to destroy all life on the planet. Nuke? Maybe. Divine Intervention? Possibly. The earth just randomly being hit by a mega-sized meteor? Could be.
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The idea, that global warming can cause polar melting which causes a desalination of the deep ocean which causes a breakdown of the worldwide deep ocean current which causes massive and devastating climatological shifts, is sound... at least according to PBS.
Ah yes, PBS...aren't they the same folks who bring us Sesame Street? Today's Climactic Apocalypse is brought to you by the letter C and the number 5.
I may be alone on this, but I don't really believe gobal warming in the way it is being stated. Im sure we are having an effect on the enviorment, but doesn't the world go through changes. We had an ice age. I believe it was in the middle ages that the temp shot up to a point when you could grow grapes all year round in england. I think the Earth changes as time goes on. We have some effect, but I think the Earth does what it wants when it wants most of the time.
Fizz
Call me Chicken Little, but I just want us to survive, and I don't see us getting there with belief systems that mire us in apathy.
Scientists these days get onto Nova by having compelling theories that they never have to prove:
WERE THERE REALLY THREE YEARS OF DARKNESS IN THE LATE 500s! THAT'S WHY THEY WERE THE DARK AGES! (That's an awesome theory! Much fun! Now PROVE it.)
Is there evidence that in 1,500 BC Norseman had a nickel mine in what is present day Michigan? (Because of a stone carving you found there and in South Carolina? What? They funded and air this piece of--?)
Problem is that only by coming up with outlandish, usually unproveable theories can TV get something sexy enough to air, which causes a wave of what I call Atlantis/Alien-Pyramid-Making BS. Half the 'science' specials back in the 70s watched like an episode In Search Of without the creepy Dream Weaver music in the background..
So when TV counterpoints the prevailing wisdom by suggesting the Earth just does what it wants to do... I remember why I sometimes want to Elvis my 1080i widescreen. The Earth doing what it wants to do isn't so proveable a statement. Just because ice ages are usually initiated by natural factors does not mean that if we caused another one we should point to the ground accusatorily and shout,"The Earth did it!"
A George Carlin comment in the late 80's: he was naysaying environmental concerns when he said that the Earth would shake us off like a head cold. What that comedian knows about science couldn't fill a thimble during a flood, and I realized then how dangerous that sort of casual concern was. It steals wind from the sails of making improvements. There are many indicators that are being carefully monitored that suggest global warming is a result of humanity. To understand how certain chemicals interact with the atmosphere and the bioshpere, and to record their levels, and to see how we have decided to remain deliberately ignorant despite the warning of antiquated environmental impact models which now, as it turns out, were actually too conservative in their predictions... is to understand that we have a terribly serious problem on our hands.
Most every climatologist on Earth is in full agreement on this, and the dissenting shills only until recently were given almost equal time on news programs to counterpoint. I really don't need to see the guy who wrote Jurassic Park be Bush's expert on science. Chrichton refused to send in his findings to a peer review journal.
We’re gonna do ourselves in by stupidity.
1) Vaccines contain mercury and formaldehyde: Both major neuro-toxic poisons.
a.CalPoison.org,
b. Immunization Info.org -- Type In “Vaccine” ,
c. Mercola.com Type “What did the government know?”
2) AIDS was genetically engineered from the hepatitis virus. Read “Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola” by Dr. Len Horowitz Dr. Len’s website
3) The “Chem-Trails” in the sky contain dangerous levels of Barium and Aluminum Carnicom.com
4) Did you know that between 25% to 80% (varies around the globe) of the honeybees are already dead? Spiegel report on Genetically Modified crops and Bee deaths
“If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.”
Albert Einstein
The list could go on and on. There’s no need for a great apocalypse. We’re killing each other at record levels.
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I'm not really worried about global warming, or climate change, or whatever the so-called experts are calling it these days. My money is actually on real problems - maybe nukes or some out of control disease -taking us out way before Al Gore's fantasies come true.
Edit: Of course, the above is predicated on alien races not coming to there senses and wiping us out before we can escape earth.
I'm more worried about the acidity of the oceans and the spread of cyanobacterium, these days. What's happening there is being wildly under-reported and there's really no dissent in the scientific community. There are so many things be mindful/afraid of. It's overwhelming.
I want those of you who don't believe in any of this to be right. I really do. Well, except for what Zombie just said about aliens. We have enough problems without having to teach Wil Smith how to pilot a stealth fighter.
Rumor has it Al Gore did not invent Global Warming. Warning: the surgeon general has concluded that responding to what I just said with some sort of viral meme comeback about Gore inventing the internet causes smarmy ass cancer.
For those who dislike Gore because he ran for president against Bush... fine. Forget his ass. Throw him in the garbage and kick him to the curb. Now... he also believes children shouldn't be set on fire. Do we argue that? So then perhaps a guy whose politics you don't like may still have his head on straight about certain things, right? I hate when a single celebrity becomes overly responsible for a message, because messages can be pure truth while celebrities are so often pretentious and dismissable. There is a wealth of studies out there to prove the point without ever having to hear the name Gore or pick an elephant or donkey out of Thomas Nast's sketchbook.
I don't see Al Gore as one speaking of fantasies. He's a man who studies what experts are saying and is concerned enough about it to dedicate his time to spreading the message. I think the fantasy is to say that all of these brilliant scientists who study this sort of thing every day are there merely to provide partisan politic nightmares. For everyone who disagrees with Al Gore's views on global warming, I'd ask, did you see An Inconvenient Truth or read in length anything he's written? Because if you didn't, how can you comment on what Al Gore considers fact? I say this because I've found the people that don't believe these things are happening are often those who don't want to bother looking at the evidence (which considering how awful it is--I can completely understand).
Global warming is definitely what I think will wipe us all out. Only a matter of time. First the Polar Bears, then us. White f!#+in' Bears. Who doesn't want to live on a planet with something that great? (Well, penguins, I guess, but they're in the same boat.) They're saying fifty years and Manhattan won't be here anymore. And that ain't Nostradamus. And some would even say that we've eclipsed the point of saving ourselves.
That's assuming we don't get blowed up by someone with more ideology and aggression than sense.
Global warming and all that goes with it.
Spreading dead zones in an ever toxifying ocean.
Bees are dying off.
Proliferation of nukes coupled with coming famine.
We seriously need to start building condos on the moon. Marigolds, anyone?
While I competely agree that we are facing significant environmental problems, that need urgent solutions, I don't think they will be the end of us.
I have no idea when the world will end, but I know it will end with the return of Jesus Christ, and the destruction of the Heavens and the Earth in fire.
Now I don't want to hijack this thread, so feel free to just let my comments go, but I just needed to say it.
However, if you do want to respond, it is probabaly best to bring it over into the Civil religious discussion thread.
I'm betting 2012. That's when the Mayan calender ends. Anyway, I'm throwing an end of the world party on December 21.
This is because their astrology predicted that this was when the sun would pass over the dark bit in the center of our galaxy. This may also only predict major change into the next era, though (hopefully with less humans). The Mayans have been right more often than Nostradamus, so far, though, so I'll be at your party.
As for the rest, global warming is going to cause big changes, but nothing I don't think the majority of humans can't survive. The bee thing sounds dangerous though. I think humanity will pretty much wipe itself out--it is inevitable. We've created much of the diseases today indirectly with our overuse of antibiotics, so I feel that any pathogen-based apocalypse is our own doing.
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According to Strong Bad, the zombie uprising will happen on March 31, 2046. At 2:03 PM.
Until then, we are safe. After that - not so good...
According to Strong Bad, the zombie uprising will happen on March 31, 2046. At 2:03 PM.
Until then, we are safe. After that - not so good...
"The zombies have broken through our defenses. Time to enact our Doomsday plan - get the leotard!"
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According to Strong Bad, the zombie uprising will happen on March 31, 2046. At 2:03 PM.
Until then, we are safe. After that - not so good...
Myself and a few others have decided that the best place to survive a zombie apocalypse is in an industrial kitchen. There's a lot of food, lots of places to hide, and tons of items one can use as improvised weapons!
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Myself and a few others have decided that the best place to survive a zombie apocalypse is in an industrial kitchen. There's a lot of food, lots of places to hide, and tons of items one can use as improvised weapons!
Yup. Come to think of it, an industrial kitchen is probably the best place to survive just about any apocalypse.
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Burnt flesh and rubble from sea to dead shore
Such a hideous theatre of war
But that was the end--Why?
There are so many more that must die
Is that not part of the plan?
I must use the nukes
I can't kill you all with my hands
Hydrogen bomb, new signs of doom
Thermo-nuclear, neutron bomb too...
You say these devices must never be used
I say you're mistaken, let's get to the fuse
Bring--Bring back the bomb
This is state policy, "by other means"
Your life ends in terror, this is now decreed
This is the twisting of bloody steel beams
The bomb blows air backwards, there's no time to scream
When they tested the A-bomb, they had a real fear
The blast will destroy your sweet atmosphere
But far more important as power increases
Was wasting the planet in well-ordered pieces
Bring back the bomb
It's been far too long
Sumon the brazen war chariot
Bring back the bomb
what makes it so wrong?
Release the beast, you can't bury it
Why should the fire be shared with so few?
Let bombs explode, 'cause that's what they do
Nuke Mecca, New York, the Vatican too
Give me a bomb, I'll drop it on you
Why stop at only two?
You showed the world just what it can do
What a waste not to destroy
Come play at war, man, and bring your best toy
Who gives a f&+& about a nuclear war?
Let bombs explode, because that's what they're for
Last minute warning, the sirens they sing
Chaos, the reason, death, what we bring
Humans now look to the sky!
You worship missiles, yet they know no side
I guess it was all a lie
So grab ass with both hands, it's your turn to die
Die--it's your turn to die
Lies--they killed you with lies
Die, human, die
And while we're at it, let's go nuke Tibet
Let's vaporize the oceans with glee
Saving the whales an agenda for some
Nuking them sits well with me
Bring back the bomb
They know not what they do
Bring back the bomb it's been far too long
Summon the brazen war chariot
Bring back the bomb
What makes it so wrong?
Release the beast, you can't bury it
What makes it so wrong?
Bees, confused by cel-phone signals, will fail to return to their hives and die of exposure. Their hives will then collapse, leaving vital crops unpollinated. World hunger ensues.
Bees, confused by cel-phone signals, will fail to return to their hives and die of exposure. Their hives will then collapse, leaving vital crops unpollinated. World hunger ensues.
Oops, sorry, the Jade already beat me to it. Score another one for the Jade!
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this, but bees don't actually provide the pollination for most of our food crops. Bees go to flowers, and last time I checked, corn and wheat don't have flowers.
What's really going to kill us all is in a giant land war in Asia. I don't just mean the far Asia, either. The whole bloody thing, from Turkey to Japan. China will get into an argument with India, words will be said, poorly translated, and then the next thing you know, China's bombing the Taj Mahal, and India's knocking on Bejing's door. Of course, China will have their old pal Russia to back them up, and India might just turn to Pakistan (who will have working nukes by now). That'll send China over to Korea, and that's when the rest of Europe jumps in on this. The US will be entrenched alongside India, with Japan and most of Europe as backup. China, Russia, and N. Korea will secretly enlist the help of all the African warlords, who will sneak-attack through the Middle East, beating their way through a very amazed US military. Of course, then the US will be /forced/ to push them back to the Congo, taking over all the oil fields and diamond mines along the way. While they're doing that, drug use and violent crime in America will rise tremendously, because of the attention put on the Asian War by the US will reduce effective anti-drug procedures in South America. By now, someone has used some nukes, and one side is being close to "winning," if you call surviving that winning. I'm not really sure which side is winning, but it doesn't really matter.
The severe beating both sides have given each other effectively weakens any sort of "world-police" power they experienced prior to the war, and thus armed thugs are able to assemble in the forgotten corners and bombed-out shells of countries, gaining power through sheer force of arms, with little regard to such things as conservation and environmentalism. China or India, whichever wins, will become a fortified military state, leaving the other to wither in the now very hot sun, which will breed a lot of impotent resentment in the refugees. The US will now be fighting the combined might of the South American drug cartels, desperately fighting to keep them from our borders. Controversial "Citezen Patrols" will be authorized to defend the southern border of the US with lethal force, and enthusiastic emigration from all parts of the US by racists will effectively turn away all comers. Mexico will by now be a dying country, crippled by anti-immigrant riots decimating illegal and legal hispanic populations from supporting their home countries with money earned in the US.
At this time, Canada will say to themselves, "Now is the time for us to strike!" And strike they will, hard and fast into the midwest, securing America's bread basket for themselves, and leaving the east and west coast struggling to supply their massive populations with food. Most die of starvation, while secret Canadian submarines keep British relief ships in dock. Africa will have reverted to territories, controlled by Warlords and defying any to enter it's borders, as will the remains of the Far East. Europe will fare not much better, also hurt by Canada's monopoly on Unites States food supplies and exorbitant prices. Europe will be starving in it's own fields, and many bands of young, hungry rebels will take up arms and attempt to wrest control from the institutions for the betterment of mankind. Whether or not they succeed is immaterial, for now comes the ...
ZOMBIE PLAGUE!
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I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this, but bees don't actually provide the pollination for most of our food crops. Bees go to flowers, and last time I checked, corn and wheat don't have flowers.
What's really going to kill us all is in a giant land war in Asia. I don't just mean the far Asia, either. The whole bloody thing, from Turkey to Japan. China will get into an argument with India, words will be said, poorly translated, and then the next thing you know, China's bombing the Taj Mahal, and India's knocking on Bejing's door. Of course, China will have their old pal Russia to back them up, and India might just turn to Pakistan (who will have working nukes by now). That'll send China over to Korea, and that's when the rest of Europe jumps in on this. The US will be entrenched alongside India, with Japan and most of Europe as backup. China, Russia, and N. Korea will secretly enlist the help of all the African warlords, who will sneak-attack through the Middle East, beating their way through a very amazed US military. Of course, then the US will be /forced/ to push them back to the Congo, taking over all the oil fields and diamond mines along the way. While they're doing that, drug use and violent crime in America will rise tremendously, because of the attention put on the Asian War by the US will reduce effective anti-drug procedures in South America. By now, someone has used some nukes, and one side is being close to "winning," if you call surviving that winning. I'm not really sure which side is winning, but it doesn't really matter.
The severe beating both sides have given each other effectively weakens any sort of "world-police" power they experienced prior to the war, and thus armed thugs are able to assemble in the forgotten corners and bombed-out shells of countries, gaining power through sheer force of arms, with little regard to such things as conservation and environmentalism. China or India, whichever wins, will become a fortified military state, leaving the other to...
Gaaaah! I's like Shadowrun all over again! Except for the fact that it hasn't happened yet. Gaaaah!
Food is not the problem; the problem is drinking water; the amount of clean drinking water is rapidly shrinking every year; is quite startling; not just by contamination of various impurities; but salt and chlorine are key factors; this more than anything will limit our ability to survive; no water no life
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Food is not the problem; the problem is drinking water; the amount of clean drinking water is rapidly shrinking every year; is quite startling; not just by contamination of various impurities; but salt and chlorine are key factors; this more than anything will limit our ability to survive; no water no life
That reminds me...
I believe it was Dan Quayle that once said:
"There are canals on Mars, which means there is water, and if there is water, that means there is oxygen, and if there's oxygen, that means...um...we can breathe."