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The feat Point Blank shot states - You are skilled at making well-placed shots with ranged weapons at close range.
Benefit: You get +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with RANGED weapons at ranges of up to 30 feet.
My question is, Can this feat be applied to Thrown Weapons?
Looking it up throughly in Players Handbook, I found that on pages 116-117 that the list shows ranged weapons on the tables, but NO Thrown weapons.
also, Players handbook page 113, shows a paragraph on Thrown weapons at the end of it, that they have range increments of 10 feet. so,would they benefit from the feat when they really are usually thrown within 30 feet anyway?
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Yes, it applies the thrown weapons. There are two types of ranged weapon - thrown and missile. Thrown weapons don't show up in the PHB list of missile (as opposed to ranged per se) weapons as they are also melee weapons, and show up in those lists.
The 10' range increment doesn't mean that you can't throw it more than 10', just that for each successive 10' the attack roll will suffer additional -2 penalties. Thrown weapons are less effective as ranged weapons than missile weapons, but they are more versatile (a crossbow is pretty useless for smacking people in hand-to-hand combat, whereas a handaxe is still good thrown or melee). That said, if you take Far Shot, you double the range increment for thrown weapons (only getting an extra 50% for missle weapons) and Far Shot is, of course, part of the Point Blank Shot feat tree.
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In addition to Aubrey's post, thrown ranged weapons have a maximum distance of five range increments and projectile weapons have a maximum of ten. You can only throw a dagger at a target no more than 50' away, normally.
Also regarding your question on Point Blank Shot, any ranged attack can benefit from this feat even ray type spells that are delivered within 30'.
There are two types of ranged weapon - thrown and projectile.
I fixed your post to avoid causing any confusion. You won't actually find the term "missile weapon" in the PHB.
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Thank You :-)
This has all been a tremendous help for me, It would seem that is very logical, wish they would have printed the books better or more clarity. You could easy take it the other way in a weird sense.
Thank you will be able to play with an open mind this weekend for another session of the Age of Worms Campaign. HA!HA!HA!
In addition to Aubrey's post, thrown ranged weapons have a maximum distance of five range increments and projectile weapons have a maximum of ten. You can only throw a dagger at a target no more than 50' away, normally.
Also regarding your question on Point Blank Shot, any ranged attack can benefit from this feat even ray type spells that are delivered within 30'.
If you read the feat description you will notice it specifically says "You are skilled at making well-placed shots with RANGED WEAPONS at close range."
Ray type spells will NOT gain the benefit of this feat because it is not a weapon, it is a spell. This feat was written with the intention of giving the character knowledge of how to find the most effective spot to shoot an enemy within the 30' space, spells do not need to hit a specific spot on an enemies body to do damage therefore get no bonuses.|
Director of Game Development
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In addition to Aubrey's post, thrown ranged weapons have a maximum distance of five range increments and projectile weapons have a maximum of ten. You can only throw a dagger at a target no more than 50' away, normally.
Also regarding your question on Point Blank Shot, any ranged attack can benefit from this feat even ray type spells that are delivered within 30'.
If you read the feat description you will notice it specifically says "You are skilled at making well-placed shots with RANGED WEAPONS at close range."
Ray type spells will NOT gain the benefit of this feat because it is not a weapon, it is a spell. This feat was written with the intention of giving the character knowledge of how to find the most effective spot to shoot an enemy within the 30' space, spells do not need to hit a specific spot on an enemies body to do damage therefore get no bonuses.
Weapon-like spells benefit from the Weapon Focus feat.
Weapon-like spells gain the benefit of being able to deliver sneak attack damage.Why not PBS? I'm at work and don't have my books with me to offer page numbers and quotes for ya, but perhaps someone else has the reference?
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If you read the feat description you will notice it specifically says "You are skilled at making well-placed shots with RANGED WEAPONS at close range."
Ray type spells will NOT gain the benefit of this feat because it is not a weapon, it is a spell. This feat was written with the intention of giving the character knowledge of how to find the most effective spot to shoot an enemy within the 30' space, spells do not need to hit a specific spot on an enemies body to do damage therefore get no bonuses.
Rays are considered ranged weapons, PBS works on them. From the SRD:
Ray
Some effects are rays. You aim a ray as if using a ranged weapon, though typically you make a ranged touch attack rather than a normal ranged attack. As with a ranged weapon, you can fire into the dark or at an invisible creature and hope you hit something. You don’t have to see the creature you’re trying to hit, as you do with a targeted spell. Intervening creatures and obstacles, however, can block your line of sight or provide cover for the creature you’re aiming at.
If a ray spell has a duration, it’s the duration of the effect that the ray causes, not the length of time the ray itself persists.
If a ray spell deals damage, you can score a critical hit just as if it were a weapon. A ray spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit.
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This feat was written with the intention of giving the character knowledge of how to find the most effective spot to shoot an enemy within the 30' space, spells do not need to hit a specific spot on an enemies body to do damage therefore get no bonuses.
Hmm... then perhaps you can explain to me why spells are able to score critical hits and apply sneak attack damage, then?
Sebastian's post is correct. Rays DO count as weapons for this purpose. In fact, you can even take Weapon Focus (Ray)!
Edit: Weird... I posted this after Sebastian referenced the SRD... but his post now shows up AFTER mine. o.0
Double-Edit: AND NOW MY POST IS AFTER HIS!!!! AAAAAGH!
Point blank appoies to all ranged attacks including ray spells requiring a ranged touch attack. At least I think that is how it works. Well, thats the way I play it and it works well for our group of gamers.