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While I'm not a big proponent of prestige classes, I enjoy campaign specific prestige classes such as the Silverstars (Forgotten Realms) and Knight Protectors (Greyhawk). I usually dislike general prestige classes which are too easily available. Where's the prestige when five out of six PC's have prestige classes? However, prestige classes based on specfic organisations or religions actually bring flavour to a setting. The problem is that if one god has a prestige class, why don't the others have one as well? I would especially enjoy a follow up on issue #283 which introduced the Mighty Contender of Kord, the Radiant Servant of Pelor, the Fleetrunner of Ehlonna, and the Shining Blade of Heironeous. Core D&D gods such as Wee Jas and St. Cuthbert and even Greyhawk specific gods such as Rao and Ulaa could definately enjoy some extra coverage. I would also like seeing prestige class entries for organisations such as the Knights of the Hart and the Scarlet Brotherhood.
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It would certainly be nice, and if I get my act together and actually submit some of the material I've had two-thirds completed for the last year then I'll probably include some GH specific PrCs.
Unfortunately there does seem to be a trend away from GH-based pieces, especially fluff-heavy ones, so I'll maybe need to Find & Replace all of the GH-nouns in the pieces with FR-nouns ;)
I fired off a query for the diety specific ones. ;) That shouldn't discourage others from doing so, though. It let's Jason pick the best of the bunch of it's something he's interested in.
I would've also queried the organizational stuff, but while I technically place one of my games in Greyhawk, I must admit to not knowing a whole lot about the history and such of the world. So I'll leave that to somebody else. I'd recommend you propose it as two prestige classes - one "good guy" and one "bad guy" class; if there was some sort of tie between the two, it's even better.
Just my opinions, of course. :)
It would certainly be nice, and if I get my act together and actually submit some of the material I've had two-thirds completed for the last year then I'll probably include some GH specific PrCs.
Unfortunately there does seem to be a trend away from GH-based pieces, especially fluff-heavy ones, so I'll maybe need to Find & Replace all of the GH-nouns in the pieces with FR-nouns ;)
Than Please dont do it. I mean if you're not going to do the article, dont do the "just change the name thing". Dungeon does that and it takes away so much because the settings can fit in anywhere beause they are so generic. Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms and Ebberon are very specific settings. Doing articles like that, in my opinion just takes away from it all. I would rather not see any Greyhawk articles at all then see FR, Eberron ones that can "fit into a greyhawk setting.
AFAIK, the chances to have a proposal accepted are higher if it is not world-specific, as it is more useful to a wider audience.
That said, GH-specific PrCs would be nice, especially religious ones. Perhaps they could be used in the larger context of the core belief articles. Some PrCs have been published in the LGJs, a content listing of all LGJs is found here on Canonfire!, to avoid sending proposal already done in the past.
Stefan
Ideas for Greyhawk Prestige Classes (Off the top of my head, and from work. Sorry if these have been done):
Scarlet Brotherhood Assassin - These guys changed the world. They deserve a PrC.
Dustdigger - The Academy of Lore in the Yeomanry is famous for their daring adventurers, willing to brave the Sea of Dust and bring back ancient Suel artifacts.
Baklunish Cavalier - I'm sure there's a better name for a nomadic horse-soldier, but you know what I mean. Someone whose life revolves around horses, including all ranges of combat.
Liberator of Trithereon - Only the warrior-cleric most devoted to freedom is allowed to bear the title "Liberator".
Joten-Hunter - Experienced giant-hunters from the Yeomanry, Geoff, and Sterich have learned much about their prey, and put all of it into use.
If you can't tell, I run a Yeomanry-centered campaign. While we're at it, a couple of core classes might be worthwhile...
Scarlet Brotherhood Monk - A thousand years of independent martial-arts development, a natural affinity for magic, and a drive to dominate the world will create a variant of the "standard" Monk. More magical, less mystic/divine.
Politician - (NPC class) "Neither Expert nor Aristocrat" describes many of the Yeomanry's Grosspokesmen.
My thoughts for now... be gentle,
Telas
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Joten-Hunter - Experienced giant-hunters from the Yeomanry, Geoff, and Sterich have learned much about their prey, and put all of it into use.
Ooh this one would be helpful too see a Dragon treatment of. For a lot of these PrC's, they have many defined in Living Greyhawk materials, I wonder if that causes any complications in getting these published by Paizo?
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Other possibilities:
- Knights of the Order of the Hart
- Knights of the Watch
- Knights of Luna
- Seekers
- Black Brotherhood
- Rangers of the Gnarley Forest
- Servants of the Horned Society
- People of the Testing
- United Artificers of Irongate
- Druids of the Old Faith
- Reverant Brothers of Rao
- Stalwart Cudgels of St. Cuthbert
- Thillonrian Raiders
- Pale Theocrats of Pholtus
- Boneheart of Iuz
Liberator of Trithereon - Only the warrior-cleric most devoted to freedom is allowed to bear the title "Liberator".
One Trithereon PrC is found on Canonfire: The Avenger of Trithereon .
Another one has been published in Living Greyhawk Journal 13, included in Dragon 297, the "Knights of the Chase".
Joten-Hunter - Experienced giant-hunters from the Yeomanry, Geoff, and Sterich have learned much about their prey, and put all of it into use.
A Giant Hunter PrC has been published in the 2002 FR supplement Silver Marches. I found this one via the WTC Prestige Class Index , which of course only lists those PrCs from their own products, but is still very useful.
So I think those PrCs (or similar ones) won´t see any further treatment in near future in Dragon.
Religious PrCs are still interesting for me, as I liked the idea of speciality priests in AD&D2 very much, and the treatment of clerics in 3.x is only a weak reflection to me. This can be corrected with PrCs, IMHO. I once did a PrC for Trithereon, too, and one for the Earth Dragon from the Pomarj, detailed in the AD&D2 Slavers book. The Earth Dragon PrC was a quite close reflection of the speciality priest detailed there.
Stefan
Doesn't the existing Holy Liberator PrC work for Trithereon? In fact, I think its first printing in Defenders of the Faith mentions Trithereon, but I could be mistaken.
I'd like to see the prestige classes be used to show contrast in how different places are, how ideas manifest differently in different cultures, how magic may be taught or used differently, etc. Maybe also PrCs that better enable certain styles or themes of play.
I'd also be fine with combo builds, substitution levels, etc. (they had stuff like this in Star Wars Gamer magazine, but I don't remember what it was called). Long story short though, not everything needs to be a PrC for me. Use whichever delivery format is best for each character concept.
Some ideas that I have (some repeats from above, but I pulled them from a list I already typed and was too lazy to edit)
Orders of Knighthood
Knights of the Hart (various factions, having an equally political focus as martial or command)
Knight of Holy Shielding (how are they different than plain old paladins)
Knight of The Watch
Furyondy
Furyondy belled cavalry (heavy cavalry)
Bootmen (long marching foot soldiers - mentioned in the Marklands)
Green Jerkins (Forest or wilderness-themed military. Rangers with spellcasting don't seem appropriate - mentioned in the Marklands)
Celene
Elven Scout
Elven Fighter/Mage
Knight of Luna (maybe)
The Pale
Inquisitor of Pholtus
Enforcer of Pholtus (their secret police)
Templars of the Theocracy (from Ivid the Undying)
Domain of Greyhawk
Guild Mage - Why would you want to join? Alternatively, use organization rules to make membership withwhile.
Guild Thief - In a city known for them, what's so impressive? Anyone can be a rogue. Anyone can be a thief. Are members of this group special in any way? Or again, is it just a well put together organization?
GreyhawK Griffon Rider (from their military)
Hardby Marine (naval fighter types, deal with pirates, coastal humanoids, smugglers)
The Great Kingdom
Knights Majestic of the Companion Guard (from Ivid the Undying)
Aerdy Mage - (tied a bit to the concepts of investigation and discovery of knowledge, exploitation of power, and looting of magic from the elder days)
Doesn't the existing Holy Liberator PrC work for Trithereon? In fact, I think its first printing in Defenders of the Faith mentions Trithereon, but I could be mistaken.
In Defenders of the Faith, Pelor and Kord are mentioned, but not Trithereon. Trithereon is not a core deity.
But this PrC would work well, so this is the third PrC fitting for Trithereon.Stefan
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List of Greyhawk prestige classes published so far (as far as I'm aware):
- Suel Arcanamach (Complete Arcane)
- Radiant Servant of Pelor (Complete Divine)
- Shining Blade of Heironeous (Complete Divine)
- Temple Raider of Olidammara (Complete Divine)
- Ur-Priest (Complete Divine)
- Knight Protector (Complete Warrior)
- Fist of Zuoken (Expanded Psionics Handbook)
- Fist of Hextor (Sword & Fist)
- Ravager (Sword & Fist)
- Doomdreamer (Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil)
- Fleet Runner of Ehlonna (Dragon #283)
- Mighty Contender of Kord (Dragon #283)
- Glaive of Azharadian (Dragon #293)
- Knight of the Chase (Dragon #297)
- Mask of Johydee (Dragon #302)
- Wormhunter (Dragon #338)
- Knight of Holy Shielding (Dungeon #113)
- Darkhagard (Living Greyhawk Journal #2)
- Vetha (Living Greyhawk Journal #2)
- Silent One (Living Greyhawk Journal #4)
It could be argued that the following are also Greyhawk prestige classes:
- Eye of Gruumsh (Complete Warrior)
- Champion of Corellon Larethian (Races of the Wild)
- Hammer of Moradin (Player's Guide to Faerun)
- Fang of Lolth (Song & Silence)
- Platinum Knight (Draconomicon)
- Sacred Warder of Bahamut (Draconomicon)
- Talon of Tiamat (Draconomicon)
- Unholy Ravager of Tiamat (Draconomicon)
- Vassal of Bahamut (Book of Exalted Deeds)
Let me know if I missed any.
Entropomancer (Tharizdun, Complete Divine)
are there any pretige classes for wee jas
im haveing a very hard time trying to find some
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are there any pretige classes for wee jas
im haveing a very hard time trying to find some
I have yet to see a Wee Jas prestige class. I would love to see a prestige class that combines Wee Jas' dominion over magic and death. Perhaps one can be found on www.canonfire.com. The only prestige classes that I know of that might work with Wee Jas are the Mystic Theurge and the Master of Shrouds (Libris Mortis).
I have yet to see a Wee Jas prestige class. I would love to see a prestige class that combines Wee Jas' dominion over magic and death. Perhaps one can be found on www.canonfire.com. The only prestige classes that I know of that might work with Wee Jas are the Mystic Theurge and the Master of Shrouds (Libris Mortis).are there any pretige classes for wee jas
im haveing a very hard time trying to find some
To keep things updated in this thread...
Tome of Battle has the Ruby Knight vindicator. "The Ruby Knights are a crusader order in the service of Wee Jas, goddess of death and magic."
Magic of Incarnum has some Greyhawk PrCs and geographical references as well.
Good luck on hoping for prestige classes in Dragon Magazine.
That hope of mine died long ago, when WotC made them switch to the new "baker's dozen" page write-up of PrC nowadays. It takes up too many pages in Dragon, though personally I wish WotC compromised more with Dragon.
We haven't seen a PrC in the magazine for a rather long time (not counting the "Thrall of" PrC). I'd be surprised to see one ever published.
Good luck on hoping for prestige classes in Dragon Magazine.
That hope of mine died long ago, when WotC made them switch to the new "baker's dozen" page write-up of PrC nowadays. It takes up too many pages in Dragon, though personally I wish WotC compromised more with Dragon.
We haven't seen a PrC in the magazine for a rather long time (not counting the "Thrall of" PrC). I'd be surprised to see one ever published.
Well, there was the Wormhunter PrC? :P
Well, there was the Wormhunter PrC? :P
True, but that's a specific-campaign related PrC that actually took up half the article itself and was done as a tie-in for the Age of Worms adventure path.
I meant I am done hoping for generalized PrC, something like "Martial Artists of the Elements" with "4 new PrC for Elemental Monks" on the cover page or "6 New Prestige Classes for Tome of Magic!", 2 prestige classes each for the Binder, Shadowcaster, Truenamer. Stuff like that. Prestige classes were my biggest hype to getting my copy of Dragon in the mail, but new feats have replaced that one for me now.
Ah, those were the good ol' days before WotC wanted to tag on tons of unneccessary "fluff" and "we'll do the work for you" methods of writing their books.
On Wizards site, LG category :
Knights of Veluna, High Forest, the Hart, Furyondy, and reprint of the Silent One.
Cheers