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It should be mandatory that everybody work at least one year with the public, be it retail, customer service, or whatever. I am a very patient person, and I'm the sort of person who likes everybody until they give me a really good reason not to, but refusing to treat another person as a human being is the quickest way for me to write someone off as not worth my time.

James Keegan |

It should be mandatory that everybody work at least one year with the public, be it retail, customer service, or whatever. I am a very patient person, and I'm the sort of person who likes everybody until they give me a really good reason not to, but refusing to treat another person as a human being is the quickest way for me to write someone off as not worth my time.
Absolutely. I chalk it up to either forgetting what it's like to be young or forgetting what it's like to be broke.

Massdriver |
I just simply hate. I am a ball of hate.I hate people who whine about their players, I hate people who whine about their DM's. I hate people who hate other campaign settings than the one(s)they like.I hate people who hate people who hate.I do like daisies though.I hate people who hate daisies.I don't care what other people hate.I hate that I don't care what other people hate.I Hate this thread.I ahte dislexia.I hate lima beans.I hate George Foreman and his flippin' grill.I hate the weinermobile.I hate cocktail olives.I could go on and on and I hate myself for it.I just simply hate.I hate that i'm ending my rant.End of rant.

kahoolin |

Oh sorry. Rant thread.
Yeah, I agree with what everyone said above. I hate being patronized by people who think they are my better. I work in a library for an archive, so we get a lot of academics and amateur and family historians. The number of people who treat me as if I am an idiot servant just because I retrieve documents for them is baffling. I may not have a PhD like some of the older academic customers but I'm better educated than some middle aged yuppie obsessed with her own family history who thinks she is a scholar because she knows how to use the dewey decimal system. I often feel like saying "look lady, I have a degree in philosophy and I've been working in this archive for four years... I'm not some incompetent personal lackey."
But you just have to suck it up because when that's the way the world is nowadays - there's such a huge emphasis on always smiling and providing unctuous service no matter how the customer behaves. I swear that as I've got older it's become more acceptable to bully people in the service industry. It's a sign of your success.
I also hate that the above mentioned people are also the sort who can't accept that they may not e able to have what they want and think that if they yell at the little guy long enough they'll get it. The number of people who come into work and can't comprehend that there is no record of what they are after is astonishing. There is no guarantee that every unit in World War II kept extensive diaries of every single day. For God's sake it was a war, there are probably hundreds of missing documents, even assuming the guys had time to update thier unit diaries while they japanese were shooting at them!
People seem to have the idea that everything they want to know is out there somewhere, and they just can't comprehend that a particular document from a particular day just might not exist. And they'll blame the library staff.

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Hookem horns!
In Scandinavia, the same gesture has come to become closely associated with Satanism - it symbolises the goat-headed devil. A year or so ago, a Norwegian newspaper published a story of the Bush family's "shocking" use of this satanic gesture. Goes to show what they know, even if the notion of GWB as a stealthy Satanist is rather amusing.

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Heathansson wrote:Hookem horns!In Scandinavia, the same gesture has come to become closely associated with Satanism - it symbolises the goat-headed devil. A year or so ago, a Norwegian newspaper published a story of the Bush family's "shocking" use of this satanic gesture. Goes to show what they know, even if the notion of GWB as a stealthy Satanist is rather amusing.
Another thing I've heard--if you do "shave and a haircut, two bits" on your car horn in Mexico,...people get really mad because it's some kind of vulgar insult.

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kahoolin wrote:I was so shocked I almost broke my monocle (again)!Fake Healer wrote:Good grief old chap. How positively awful :)I could scarcely drink tea for 2 days what with my haughty-taughty finger out of commission!
FH
Aha! Nageeksemaj the cyclops! I recognize you at last.
Stand and deliver, foul varlet!
James Keegan |

James Keegan wrote:kahoolin wrote:I was so shocked I almost broke my monocle (again)!Fake Healer wrote:Good grief old chap. How positively awful :)I could scarcely drink tea for 2 days what with my haughty-taughty finger out of commission!
FH
Aha! Nageeksemaj the cyclops! I recognize you at last.
Stand and deliver, foul varlet!
Gads! Discovered again! Were it not for my dandy shock at the aforementioned wound to the etiquette sustained by aforementioned Lord F. Healer, my ingenious disguise would have kept me from your keen lycanthropic eyes! Fie upon thee and thy demanded reparations, for I hold to my position that the lunch in question, as enjoyed at the Hard Rock Cafe in Morocco those many years ago, was a gift of fraternal comaraderie. Had I known otherwise, I would have been more frugal in my root beer refills and dessert choices. 'Tis not I that you must exact retribution upon, but rather those marketing villains at aforementioned chain restaurant. Seven shekels of silver for a grilled cheese sandwich without so much as a tomato or side of french fries?! Those are your villains, sir, not I!
And besides, with interest accrued over these many years, it is much more cost effective for me to merely purchase a new disguise or perhaps groom myself a curly organ grinder mustache and begin the game anew. You won this round, sir, but my next subterfuge shall be, as they say in Kentucky, a doozey!

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Detective H. Wolfman of Scotland Yard at your service!
I'll be taking one monocle of x-ray vision, one "Hared Rock Cafe: Morocco" tee-shirt (obviously a knockoff), and two (oops)one brown paper bag filled with 12 grammes of a...substance as evidence.
The jig is up, "Captain Odin Man."
Hrumpf! Scooby Doo indeed!

ZeroCharisma |

ZeroCharisma wrote:A lot of appropriately rant-y stuff.The Paizo system won't let me reply to the part of your post with it, but the thought of someone getting up and ranting about NWN vs. NWN2 at a funeral brought a chuckle to my lips.
Tee-hee. Me too. Anyway, I just picked my game in NWN2 back up and the patch seems to have improved gameplay & performance slightly. I am starting to see mods being published and I am getting over my fear of this toolset. So, in part thanks to your comments, I am giving NWN2 a second chance. We shall see how that works out.
And the comments on service industry are well appreciated. I find it very calming and reassuring to know that others understand and appreciate the pitfalls of the amazing process of serving others. It can be very gratifying, but very frustrating. And entitlement baffles me. So many people have so much and are simply not grateful for what they do have. Kudos to all of you, putting it out there and taking crap for it. Thanks for all the little kindnesses and basic services that are underappreciated.

Jherrith The Great |

Its been a long time since I have even been able to read the messageboards here at paizo. Boot Camps fault then the navy decided that something on Paizo was inappropriate for my viewing which is dumb. So it has been a while since I have been able to rant but ill give it my best shot.
Ill start off with the most irratating part the fact that prisoners have more freedom and rights than people in the military have if I would have known that 8 months ago I wouldnt have gone to boot camp I would have stolen a car or robbed a bank.
Next is hypocrits I could kill one i mean baaaaaaa that really pushes my buttons when you are gettin yelled at by a chief about your shave and he is working on a friggin beard.
Now the weather in Great Lakes, Illinois I mean come on does the wind really have to always be blowing in your face. There is no where to hide from it.
Some of the people I wonder why they even joined I mean the complain about the daily routine which is litterally the same thing everyday. Everyone else adjusts to it but no there is always one h=guy after being here for 3 months has to complain about it. Or my next favorite the guy that just gets out of boot camp tries to tell the other guys in the barracks (like me) that have been out off boot and in school for 5 months how things work.
Well Im ending my military rant with that cause right now im gonna go kill a squirrl with a toothbrush hopefully it will help me. (I cant spell and my grammer sucks I know this)

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Or my next favorite the guy that just gets out of boot camp tries to tell the other guys in the barracks (like me) that have been out off boot and in school for 5 months how things work.
(LOL) I remember when I first got to Basic, there was this MEPS place where they store you for 3 days to inprocess you before you get to basic. There was a company of billy bumpuses off the street (me included) then there were these washout guys who for some reason the Army was sending home.
And these washout guys were kinda made to babysit us. They thought they had some kind of rank or something. One washout guy even dropped a guy for pushups. I told the guy to get up and ignore him, then he told me to drop and give him 20.So I'm like, "you got rejected by the damn Army, kid. What are you gonna do to me?" And he couldn't go tell the D.S. squat because nobody was allowed to drop us yet; we hadn't inprocessed. The D.S.'s weren't even supposed to drop us yet.
Hey, man. You meet all kinds. There's always gotta be one freaking knucklehead; he ends up hanging from a flagpole in a friggin sleeping bag one way or another. Just keep your mouth shut and your eyes and ears open and you'll prolly be okely dokely.

Kurocyn |

Ill start off with the most irratating part the fact that prisoners have more freedom and rights than people in the military have if I would have known that 8 months ago I wouldnt have gone to boot camp I would have stolen a car or robbed a bank.
Some of the people I wonder why they even joined...
I feel you on the web-filters man. Paizo's good out here, but I can't even get on WotC.
And the Navy isn't too bad. Once you get out to your ship/batallion/duty staion/A-school/what-have-you and get some time under your belt, it gets better. Rate never hurts either.
The only thing I can really tell you about our (service member's) lack of freedoms, is that we raised our right hands. Not them. Their freedoms result from us giving up ours. Do you think I want to be in Kuwait? I want to be home with my wife. But my being out here is needed by our country, for her freedom. And for that, I'd willingly come back...
One sailor to another,
-Kurocyn

Kurocyn |

And these washout guys were kinda made to babysit us. They thought they had some kind of rank or something. One washout guy even dropped a guy for pushups. I told the guy to get up and ignore him, then he told me to drop and give him 20. So I'm like, "you got rejected by the damn Army, kid. What are you gonna do to me?"
Rejected by the Army. Ouch. Honorable discharge or otherwise?
When I was going through DEP before shipping off to boot, the Army recuiters were looking under rocks for guys. It was embarrassing hearing my recruiter tell me what kind of guys they pulled in. Nothing personally mind you. I know alot of good guys in the Army.
-Kurocyn

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Heathansson wrote:And these washout guys were kinda made to babysit us. They thought they had some kind of rank or something. One washout guy even dropped a guy for pushups. I told the guy to get up and ignore him, then he told me to drop and give him 20. So I'm like, "you got rejected by the damn Army, kid. What are you gonna do to me?"Rejected by the Army. Ouch. Honorable discharge or otherwise?
When I was going through DEP before shipping off to boot, the Army recuiters were looking under rocks for guys. It was embarrassing hearing my recruiter tell me what kind of guys they pulled in. Nothing personally mind you. I know alot of good guys in the Army.
-Kurocyn
None taken. The recruiters got bonuses on the numbers. The D.S.'s had to weed through the goofballs.
Another thing,...the guys who got there and sycophantically sucked up to the washouts who were in charge of us...seemed like half of them washed out too.
Jherrith The Great |

The only thing I can really tell you about our (service member's) lack of freedoms, is that we raised our right hands. Not them. Their freedoms result from us giving up ours. Do you think I want to be in Kuwait? I want to be home with my wife. But my being out here is needed by our country, for her freedom. And for that, I'd willingly come back...One sailor to another,
-Kurocyn
I get exactly what your saying and I agree it just bugs me I guess its just one of those things. I know it was a retorical question but I'm going to ansewer it anyway, I know you don't want to be in Kuwait but what is it like over there?
The net finally started to let me on obviously it was just reading something in approprate for viewing purposes not sure what. But whatever I can look at it now and thats all that matters to me.

Massdriver |
I hate ice man!!!!!
Why is it that everybody bags on that dude, I mean common! If it wasn't for him Tom Cruise would have had fewer cool fighter jockey scenes in Top Gun...not to mention baging Mcgillis...JUST LAY OFF! Oh...you...wouldn't be talking about the superhero perchance would you?

Saern |

I hate ice man!!!!!
I suggest the use of a comma such that the sentance reads "I hate ice, man," to avoid the confusion demonstrated above. (Remember, I'm just waiting to be a licensed grammar nazi)
Speaking of that, I'm sure you'll all be thrilled (maybe just Ace), I recently heard, through second-hand but reliable sources, that a leading figure in the world of English (his name was not relayed to me) has recently declared that ending a sentance with a preposition (Where are we going to?) is not to be considered improper outside of formal settings. It's the same situation as one wearing a suit in a business meeting, but reverting to jeans and a T-shirt in common life. I don't know if that has or has not been the consensus historically, but it's news to me!
I now return you to your regularly scheduled, actually interesting conversation.

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Heathansson wrote:I hate ice man!!!!!I suggest the use of a comma such that the sentance reads "I hate ice, man," to avoid the confusion demonstrated above. (Remember, I'm just waiting to be a licensed grammar nazi)
Touche, varlet. I suggest you spell sentence like the dictionary does before ye edit my content. ;)

Saern |

Saern wrote:Touche, varlet. I suggest you spell sentence like the dictionary does before ye edit my content. ;)Heathansson wrote:I hate ice man!!!!!I suggest the use of a comma such that the sentance reads "I hate ice, man," to avoid the confusion demonstrated above. (Remember, I'm just waiting to be a licensed grammar nazi)
Indeed. I could blame it on slippery fingers or an absent mind, but I surrender to your keen lupine instincts.
Ya got me! :)

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Heathansson wrote:I hate ice man!!!!!I suggest the use of a comma such that the sentance reads "I hate ice, man," to avoid the confusion demonstrated above. (Remember, I'm just waiting to be a licensed grammar nazi)
Speaking of that, I'm sure you'll all be thrilled (maybe just Ace), I recently heard, through second-hand but reliable sources, that a leading figure in the world of English (his name was not relayed to me) has recently declared that ending a sentance with a preposition (Where are we going to?) is not to be considered improper outside of formal settings. It's the same situation as one wearing a suit in a business meeting, but reverting to jeans and a T-shirt in common life. I don't know if that has or has not been the consensus historically, but it's news to me!
I now return you to your regularly scheduled, actually interesting conversation.
That's what I've been saying all along. The style has to match the situation.
I would argue that your example isn't the best. "Where are we going to?" can simply be "Where are we going?" It's not the ending in the preposition that is the problem, but the fact that the preposition is unnecessary. Consider "I don't know where it came from." That is decidedly more conversational (and more easily understood) than "I don't know from where it came."

kahoolin |

Speaking of that, I'm sure you'll all be thrilled (maybe just Ace), I recently heard, through second-hand but reliable sources, that a leading figure in the world of English (his name was not relayed to me) has recently declared that ending a sentance with a preposition (Where are we going to?) is not to be considered improper outside of formal settings. It's the same situation as one wearing a suit in a business meeting, but reverting to jeans and a T-shirt in common life. I don't know if that has or has not been the consensus historically, but it's news to me!
I just had an awful vision of english turning into one of those languages where there is an informal and a formal way to say everything that is actually built into the language, like French.
"I say, he just ended a sentence with a preposition in a business meeting - how rude!"
"Hey man, it's cool."
"Guards! Throw this barbarian out and arrest him for offensive language!"

kahoolin |

PS I hate the novel Eragon. It is of poor quality and doesn't deserve to be as popular as it is.
Which leads me to my next point: I hate that the tastes of children are starting to control the marketplace. I think it's unethical to brainwash kids into buying (or getting their parents to buy) a mindless substandard product, it preys on the lack of experience of immature minds.
Huge advertising campaigns aimed at children make me sick, though I realize they are too much a part of our culture to be going away any time soon :(

Saern |

PS I hate the novel Eragon. It is of poor quality and doesn't deserve to be as popular as it is.
Which leads me to my next point: I hate that the tastes of children are starting to control the marketplace. I think it's unethical to brainwash kids into buying (or getting their parents to buy) a mindless substandard product, it preys on the lack of experience of immature minds.
Huge advertising campaigns aimed at children make me sick, though I realize they are too much a part of our culture to be going away any time soon :(
My grandmother got me Eragon a couple of years ago (I don't blame her, she didn't know), and I've made about three attempts to read it, the last one spurred by the release of the movie and my determination that if I saw the film, it would be after I had read the book. However, I really couldn't force myself past about page 150, and by all accounts, the movie was terrible, so it looks like I didn't miss anything afterall.
I mean, they come over the mountains and there's this majestic, beautiful city that's never been conquered by any foe (other than the fact that the whole world became part of some Evil Empire sometime in the not-too distant past), and the soldiers at the gate are depicted like shady guards for some thug? Come on! That poortrait continues throughout the city. No consistency, nothing to grip onto and understand an immerse one's self in, which is paramount in a novel!
And when he was fighting "urgals" in the slaughtered village, what does his arrow do? It explodes with blue magical fire bursts and... and... stuff!!! Yeah, that's it, cool!
No, it's crap!
Argh, there were so many things about the style and lack of talent in the writing of that book that just annoyed the crap out of me, and it's not really fair because the author was, what, 16? 15? It's really not his fault that it's been exploited and marketed to Holy Hell and beyond.
And where did that expression, "Holy Hell," come from anyway? That makes no sense! I blame Hollywood exploitation!
GAAAH!!!!

Ultradan |

I hate what I don't understand...
... And I don't understand spammers. Everyday, I recieve a few (spam)... These wierd e-mails that appear in my inbox (at home and at work) from gibberish adresses with titles like 'Corn Syrup Stocks Are Down!'... or 'Wooden Flagpoles'... ?!?!
WHAT PURPOSE CAN SENDING THESE POSSIBLY HAVE? Who sends them? Who actually opens them? What happens if you open one?
Please... Pretty please (with sugar on top)... Will someone please explain the purpose of Spam?
Ultradan
(I'm desperate for answers...)

Griselame |

I hate the fact that while nobody seems concerned, George "Adolf from Texas" Bush and his fellow comrades are slowly gathering their heavily armoured militaries around Iran and will strike them soon - to the "surprise" of a world who knows too well who these f*** fascists are and what they are up to, backed by all their oil businessmen friends and media complicity/cowardice.
And I hate the fact that in a few months, more families will cry their dead and realise - too late again- how much they are blind and how much their love for their country has been led astray by people who think they are heaven sent.
And I hate the fact that pain and hate will breed pain and hate, and that more kids and desperate people will turn blind also and blow themselves in buses or shopping centers, or pose bombs, and the vicious circle will go on again and again....
Finally I hate the way we put some much energy into war and easy bullshits ,following our so-called leaders like sheeps, while if for just ONE minute we decided to sit down and think about what we could do to make this world a better place to live , we could basically sort out poverty and all our problems in a matter of a year or so, find a cure to aids and cancer, go to the moon and Mars , and finally become this great and wise race we pompously think we are now.

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I hate what I don't understand...
... And I don't understand spammers. Everyday, I recieve a few (spam)... These wierd e-mails that appear in my inbox (at home and at work) from gibberish adresses with titles like 'Corn Syrup Stocks Are Down!'... or 'Wooden Flagpoles'... ?!?!
WHAT PURPOSE CAN SENDING THESE POSSIBLY HAVE? Who sends them? Who actually opens them? What happens if you open one?
Please... Pretty please (with sugar on top)... Will someone please explain the purpose of Spam?
Ultradan
(I'm desperate for answers...)
Economies of scale - it costs about the same amount to send one email as it costs to send about a billion. I understand that this spam has Delivery and/or Read Receipts on it, so if you open it they know you exist. Then they can bombard you with adverts for Viagra or penis enhancement, and (out of the millions of emails they send) all they need is a few desperate schmucks to reply to make their money. Likewise, the ones about stocks or commodities appeal to people's greed.
It has been suggested that emails should attract a nominal tax (say, 0.1c per mail). Any normal person would pay very little, but the spammers would pay a fortune and be put out of business. Of course, this would only work if every country levied such a tax.....

Ultradan |

Economies of scale - it costs about the same amount to send one email as it costs to send about a billion. I understand that this spam has Delivery and/or Read Receipts on it, so if you open it they know you exist. Then they can bombard you with adverts for Viagra or penis enhancement, and (out of the millions of emails they send) all they need is a few desperate schmucks to reply to make their money. Likewise, the ones about stocks or commodities appeal to people's greed.
It has been suggested that emails should attract a nominal tax (say, 0.1c per mail). Any normal person would pay very little, but the spammers would pay a fortune and be put out of business. Of course, this would only work if every country levied such a tax.....
Thanks dude.
I understand a bit better... But I still hate them.
The people who invent viruses should definetly try and take down these clowns... They might even get paid for their ingenuity.
Ultradan

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I understand a bit better... But I still hate them.The people who invent viruses should definetly try and take down these clowns... They might even get paid for their ingenuity.
Ultradan
There was an article in Wired a few months back about this Russian guy who was a major spammer and made himself a good amount of money from it. The article was about how he was murdered and how it seemed that the authorities were not breaking down doors to find out who killed him and why.

James Keegan |

I hate the fact that while nobody seems concerned, George "Adolf from Texas" Bush and his fellow comrades are slowly gathering their heavily armoured militaries around Iran and will strike them soon - to the "surprise" of a world who knows too well who these f*** fascists are and what they are up to, backed by all their oil businessmen friends and media complicity/cowardice.
And I hate the fact that in a few months, more families will cry their dead and realise - too late again- how much they are blind and how much their love for their country has been led astray by people who think they are heaven sent.
And I hate the fact that pain and hate will breed pain and hate, and that more kids and desperate people will turn blind also and blow themselves in buses or shopping centers, or pose bombs, and the vicious circle will go on again and again....
Finally I hate the way we put some much energy into war and easy bulls*~&s ,following our so-called leaders like sheeps, while if for just ONE minute we decided to sit down and think about what we could do to make this world a better place to live , we could basically sort out poverty and all our problems in a matter of a year or so, find a cure to aids and cancer, go to the moon and Mars , and finally become this great and wise race we pompously think we are now.
I'm concerned, man. There are people that are concerned. But no one listens to them, at least,not in America. A lot of the time, if one is willing to stand up and voice an opinion counter to what is convenient or mainstream, one is considered annoying or shrill or one is derided for not having stacks of research immediately quotable on hand.
Here's an amazing statistic I learned today: 22% of American children live below the poverty level. Here's another: roughly 1/3 of the population of the world lives without clean, drinkable water. Billions of dollars a day spent on a war without clear justification in which America has no good way of backing out without a further disaster for the people of the people caught in the middle. Genocide is perpetrated in Africa on a daily basis and it's rarely on the news (over here, at least; I hope that European and Asian news covers these things). Global warming is known to be a global catastrophe all over the world, but over here, we're still debating whether or not it exists. Some scientists say that we may have passed the point where it's repairable. Even if we haven't, drastic change would have to happen now to avoid huge environmental changes. Fat chance of that happening.
It's so much easier to make bombs that can wipe out entire cities, chemical weapons that can make a human being choke on their own lungs and so many other horrors than it is to make sure everyone can read. To ensure that at the very least, everyone can drink clean water and farm their own crops is somehow a pipe dream. Forget about making everyone computer literate so that they can actually compete in the global market and get themselves a fair shake at having a good home, food and safety.
To paraquote Henry Rollins, just the idea of having any of those good things happen would make CEOs and politicians cry and puke all over their baby bibs of crisp hundred dollar bills. Why? Because they couldn't handle the competition. Thousands of people with intelligence, training and ambition enough to come after their fat, cushy positions would just ruin them.
In 20 to 50 years, many scientists believe that New York City, where I am right now, will be underwater. Gone. Just gone. The world's city, where every language is spoken simultaneously, where any kind of cuisine can be found, where many great museums and centers of learning can be visited and where $10 will get you a cup of coffe and maybe a bagel (can't all be good) will be a part of the Atlantic Ocean. Because of greed and habit. We as human beings will be watching the stock market when the fetid waters reach our nostrils. New Orleans is already gone, and sadly, it may only be a sign of things to come. Never mind countless other devastated regions in the world.
Arable land will become wastelands. Not even deserts. Deserts are natural. They support life in one way or another. When the jet stream changes, there won't even be enough life for that.
And this is assuming that the cult of the apocalypse that's running this country doesn't perpetrate some further disaster in this insane hope that it will bring Jesus back sooner. I didn't make it up; they believe this. If there's a war with Iran, a country with a serious military power (unlike Iraq), there will be a tremendous disaster. And the UN didn't really help at all, did they? Why should they? Economic interests dictate policies. Look at the Balkan conflicts of the mid 90s. Look how far that was allowed to go before any direct intervention was made. A good comic to read: Joe Sacco's "Safe Area Gorazde". Eyewitness accounts, from real people, gathered in the town of Gorazde in the Balkans. Really makes you think about what the United Nations' job really should be and how they aren't doing it.
Long, depressing rant. I won't apologize, but I will say something nice about humanity before I quit. On Sunday, I was on my way to my sisters' in Brooklyn and I had just gotten through the turnstyle at the F train when it was there. I ran to door, which shut in my face. I stepped back, disappointed. Someone whistled to my right. It was the conductor, peeking out of the next car. "C'mon, man, it's open." he said, holding the door open for me. Very sweet of him and I appreciated it.
Not all New Yorkers are jerks. Most of us are; but we're kind of okay sometimes.

Saern |

First, to Lilith. Thank you, those were awesome pictures! :D
Next, to James and Griselame: 100% agreement and dismay with your sentiments. Teach all the people in the world to read and write? Why would we want to do that to our labor force? They wouldn't buy all our crap (both physical and mental)! Ever hear John Lennon's Working Class Hero? "... you're still f&@#ing peasants as far as I can see."
By the time the world realizes what the f$&! is going on, it will be too late, and then we'll feel real damned stupid. But the elites still think that they'll somehow survive while all the Joe Schmucks drown and starve and kill each other. Never mind that it doesn't pan out in the long run. They're as much, if not more, fanatics as an Islamic suicide bombers, but the only thing they worship is the dollar sign. Sounds cliche, but that's because it's tragically true, but the people who chant it out in the attempt to help what said bastard consider nothing more than fodder just get jeers.
I personally believe the powers-that-be which keep "staying the off-course" are clinically insane, due to their persistent beliefs that aren't supported by logic and their actions of destruction towards those ends.
I personally hold our president responsible for the death of every man, woman, and child within Iraq, regardless of nationality. We swatted a wasp's nest and then got pissed off that the wasps stung us. Meanwhile, we're going to teach the wasps to live in harmony (that's the refrain, but really we just want what they got- if peace and freedom were so f~*!ing important, why the f%$+ aren't we in Africa doing something?). Now that we realized we really f&*&ed up, it's their job to make things right. They've got to step up and take responsibility.
Hello?! We're the ones that bombed the shit out of them, despite the whole damned world saying it was a bad idea!
Did either of you happen to see Children of Man? I went last Saturday, and I enjoyed it immensely. I'd like to think it would be a real eye-opener for the world, but it never seems like anything of substance holds up in the eyes of the vast majority of the public for very long, if at all.
Why haven't we impeached Bush already? Someone want to answer that for me? Clinton gets a BJ and it's a god#$%^ crime to the nation, but Bush launches us into war on information he knew was false (most of it came from a disreputable Iraqi source colorfully known as "Curve Ball") which costs the lives and lively hoods of hundreds of thousands (lord knows how many Iraqis are dead or wounded; you never hear that count in the mainstream media, do you?), and what does he get?
"Aw, he's the President! You've gotta support the f$$!ing President in a time of war!" No, no you don't, you dumb bastards. Ever hear of a man called Hitler? I'm not going to compare Bush to Hitler (because, as much as I loathe the former, he really isn't anywhere as bad, just a shit load dumber) other than both of them are blindly being followed.
Okay, I lied, I'll make one more statement about Bush and Hitler. Strangely enough, Bush may end up being the more destructive of the two if the future plays out badly concerning Global Warming. Gore may not have been the best President we ever could have had, but we certainly wouldn't be in the political or environmental shit hole that we currently find ourselves wallowing in if he was the President.
I also accuse Bush of blatantly and intentionally, with as much premeditation as the situation could possibly warrant, manipulating and profiteering off the deaths of the 3,000 Americans, THREE THOUSAND of his OWN CITIZENS, in the collapse of the towers on 9/11.
I make absolutely no apologies for anything that I've said here, other than what profanity seeped through, but that is simply an indication of the passion I feel for this topic and I mean no offense to anyone other than those I called out in the post.
Impeach George Bush!

Thanis Kartaleon |

Saern, I agree with you 110%. From the beginning of the a@!*&'s "presidency", I have never, never understood how the people of this country could mistake his intentions for anything honorable or patriotic.
If nothing else, it's that smile on his face when he tells the country that, despite ordering the invasion of two countries, with all the mistakes and deaths that resulted, he still sleeps easily at night.
All the evidence of his impeachable offences, war crimes even, are out there - but are DISMISSED! It is all ignored as being too "improbable." I'm sorry, the thought that a few terrorists who couldn't even pass flight training on a cessna could then go, highjack jet liners with box knives, and then fly them with deadly precision into the twin towers and the Pentagon... sounds just a little improbable to me. But hey, I guess I'M the crazy one. Grar.
And seriously, the Pentagon? Why would that be a terrorist target? I mean, it's low to the ground, and heavily fortified, and even if you do hit it, you're not likely going to kill very many people in positions of power. It's also not the big "symbol" of America... it's rarely seen except in movies. If I were a terrorist and wanted to cause a lot of damage and truly panic a nation, I would have hit the White House or the Statue of Liberty. I'll bet the jets would have scrambled in time if a plane was actually going to hit the White House.

Griselame |

And as an European who really really likes the real American culture (Jazz, D&D, Rock n'roll, Jack Kerouac, Lovecraft, Bukowski, Jack London, football, Joe Montana, New Orleans, NYC, Boston, San Francisco, Marvin Gaye and the Motown, the great landscapes, New England, Nick Tosches,Henry Fonda, the Coen Brothers, etc etc....):
I really really hate the fact that this fanatic dumbass and his death crows make everybody hate and reject USA, who has a lot to offer for those who are interested in culture, but overshadow everything else under their burning cross !!!
For this rampage, F~~+ YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!