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My two cents on some things
The wanna-be mommy, when she first showed her children the light, told the boys that the light was life and death and that it had to be protected/stay on the island. She said it couldn't leave but men would try to take it. Men would try to take MORE of it if they could because thats what men do.
My theory isn't that the smoke monster was trapped down there. My theory is that Non-locke, man-in-black guy ... whatever his name was ... TOOK the light. He IS special after all, as the non-mom kept telling him. And he found a way to take the light, all of it, and now he suffers something worse than death and then some.
Unless it was just for a moment, AFTER the smoke monster exits the cave you see there IS no more light in the cave. The boy must protect the light from leaving the cave. So Jacob's goal turned out to be that he had to keep his BROTHER, now the smoke monster, on the island. Why? Because he now IS the light ... sort of. And if the light, this source of all life and death, were to leave the island ... then bad things happen. Thus why it is ever so important why non-locke cannot LEAVE the island. He'll take the light with him and SERIOUSLY screw some things up.
And thats my thoughts.
I'm not sure I agree that the light cave was lame. To me, it's not any more cheesy than time travel, secret whispers, alternate universes, smoke monsters, or romantic triangles. The idea of light representing life goes back to the Egyptians, with the travel of the sun representing life, death, and rebirth. Today, we may consider the "shining light" to be New Age schmaltz, but that doesn't mean it's inherently aesthetically weak.
I'm not sure I agree that the light cave was lame. To me, it's not any more cheesy than ... romantic triangles.
Huh. :/ ( ;) )
Today, we may consider the "shining light" to be New Age schmaltz, but that doesn't mean it's inherently aesthetically weak.
In some cave? On some island? "Protected" (WTF for?) by some unknown woman who brutally murders other people? And we still don't know what it's for or what it is or even what the point is? It's just some 'light cave' with a bunch of vague schmaltzy meaningless mumbo-jumbo thrown along with it, with the writers hoping something will stick. Yeah, I'd say it's exactly that. (Heh - some hyperbole here, as it's not necessarily inherently weak... but then, perhaps a reminder is needed that nobody actually said it was "inherently" weak, so that is a strange comment to make. As presented, however, it is lame, and it is weak. And Lost has historically suffered from many serious presentation issues.)
Other people are free to like it for whatever reason, but AFAIC it's some of the worst crap Lost has to offer.
I look forward to the show finally giving me some f++~ing answers and not feeding me said crap.
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Regarding the light cave:
I think part of the show's bigger problem is that sometimes they try to be too all inclusive. They've had bits of Christianity, Egyptian myth, Greek myth, etc. While many religions and myth cycles do share commonalities, there are still many differences. To try and utilize all these elements and create and overarching, world mythology, can be difficult. So, sometimes you'll get something that seems a bit lame, when all they might have been looking for was symbolic.
Does that makes sense?
I look forward to the show finally giving me some f#!*ing answers and not feeding me said crap.
If you expect that everything will be wrapped up in a nice neat package, with all of the loose ends tied up and questions answered, I think you are going to be disappointed.
The writers have said that the only thing they feel has to be resolved at this point s the timeline split. The only other thing I think we will definitely see it the survivors having the opportunity to leave the Island. Whether they choose to or not, we'll have to see.
If you expect that everything will be wrapped up in a nice neat package, with all of the loose ends tied up and questions answered, I think you are going to be disappointed.
:) I know... I've already prepped myself for the writers' incompetence/laziness.
But I still hope. Maybe the finale will return to the greatness that was S1 and S2, and not the idiocy that was S3-6. Stupid hope.
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These heady questions are ultimately unanswerable, and we know the audience is hoping that those things are going to be answered. The great mysteries of life fundamentally can’t be addressed. We just have to tell a good story and let the chips fall where they may. We don’t know whether the resolution between the two timelines is going to make people say, “Oh, that’s cool” or “Oh, f$@& those guys, they belly-flopped at the end.” But the fact that we’re nervous about it and that we’re actually attempting it—that is what we had to do. We had to try to make the dive.
After watching BSG end, and watching Heroes whimper to cancellation...
If you're not Joss Whedon or Joe Straczynski, you don't get to write a serial science fiction drama with continuity.
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Well, last night's episode was interesting....
The question of the new Jacob seems to have been resolved (for now), but I thought there'd be more to the selection process. Not just "Well, I'll do it."
Ben - what a dick!
Nice to see Anna Lucia again. And Sideverse Hurley recognized her, which seems to indicate both he and Desmond have full knowledge of both worlds.
I have a feeling that Jacob lied to Widmore about Desmond, knowing that he'd go all weasel to save his own skin and protect his daughter. I think that whatever way Locke thinks he can use Desmond to to destroy the island will only end up fixing things.
No matter what, I can't wait for this Sunday! The end is gonna be f++$ing awesome!! I'm also planning on DVRing the Jimmy Kimmel show, since they say they're going to show some alternate endings. Will Matt Damon be in them?!?
Ben - what a dick!
There is an interesting theory on Lostipedia (check the "Theory" tab - warning lots of speculation).
Bascially, Widmore and Ben can't kill each other (I think it was mentioned in the "bedroom scene" where Ben walks in on Widmore).
Edit: Just checked on Lostipedia:
'Charles asks Ben if he has come to kill him. Ben says "we both know I can't do that."'
So the theory goes that Ben can't and therefore didn't kill Widmore. This is a pre-planned ruse to make MiB think he's dead. Widmore will be the "wildcard" in the last episode, helping Ben betray Smlocke.
However, the only thing against this is Ben's reaction when they walked over Alex's grave. That makes me think that he really is still mad at Widmore for her death.
I like the idea of the play behind MiB's back, but one should never bet against Ben's ability to be self-serving.
I guess we'll see in 5 days...
Greg
After watching BSG end...
Gah! A pox on you for bringing that up.
After watching BSG end...Gah! A pox on you for bringing that up.
Thank god I'm not alone. Everyone I know liked the last episode... :-P
Greg
After watching BSG end...Gah! A pox on you for bringing that up.Thank god I'm not alone. Everyone I know liked the last episode... :-P
Greg
I have never been so offended by an SF TV series finale before.
"Let's throw all of modern medicine into the Sun!"
"Let's throw more worked metal than humanity will manage to make in the first three thousand years of civilization into the Sun."
The one heartwarming thing about that episode for me was that, having followed Lee "Pol Pot" Adama into a hunter-gatherer existence, because "technology is evil", they ALL DIED OUT.
No, really. The Agricultural Revolution happened about 8,000 years ago. The Galactica and the rest arrived here 150,000 years ago. Clearly, they all died out. Ideally from stupidity.
Except for Hera, who was probably found as a starving orphan by a band of protohumans, and, well, given how primate breeding patterns go, best to NOT go there.
(Just being able to have accurate weather forecasts would triple crop yields...and they had cheap access to orbit.)
I have never been so offended by an SF TV series finale before.
"Let's throw all of modern medicine into the Sun!"
"Let's throw more worked metal than humanity will manage to make in the first three thousand years of civilization into the Sun."
The one heartwarming thing about that episode for me was that, having followed Lee "Pol Pot" Adama into a hunter-gatherer existence, because "technology is evil", they ALL DIED OUT.
No, really. The Agricultural Revolution happened about 8,000 years ago. The Galactica and the rest arrived here 150,000 years ago. Clearly, they all died out. Ideally from stupidity.
Except for Hera, who was probably found as a starving orphan by a band of protohumans, and, well, given how primate breeding patterns go, best to NOT go there.
(Just being able to have accurate weather forecasts would triple crop yields...and they had cheap access to orbit.)
That and "oh by the way, Starbuck is an angel..."
Greg
If you insist in continuing to remind me of that blight, I shall be forced to send poodles to piddle on your floor. And not in some remote corner. I am talking in the middle of the hallway at 2 AM so you slip on it on the way to the bathroom.
Srsly. Knock it off!
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I challenge all of you to match my disappointment and hatred for the BSG finale.
It is basically impossible.
Lost, on the other hand?
LOVE IT.
Right there with you! I've loved the show since the pilot episode and I can't wait for Sunday. I love the direction they are apparently going with Jack. Given the entire arc of the show, it kind of fits perfectly ...
My son and I will be parked in front of the TV this Sunday from 7 PM until I guess at least 11:30.
Can't wait!
(can't comment on BSG ... never watched a single episode)
I challenge all of you to match my disappointment and hatred for the BSG finale.
Ah, but you only have one eye through which to absorb such drek. I submit, with two eyes, I took in twice as much disappointment as you.
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(can't comment on BSG ... never watched a single episode)
It drags in parts but has some awesome moments.
That said, yes, the proto-humans and -get rid of all the tech- sucked. One good famine or monsoon, I'd be wanting one of those Raptors back right quick.
Edit: I did enjoy the fact that Apollo was alone. He didn't deserve Dualla, and Starbuck didn't deserve Sam.
If you insist in continuing to remind me of that blight, I shall be forced to send poodles to piddle on your floor. And not in some remote corner. I am talking in the middle of the hallway at 2 AM so you slip on it on the way to the bathroom.
Srsly. Knock it off!
Sorry, one of my two dogs (a Burnese Mountain Dog, much larger than a poodle) already puked on my dining room floor twice this morning.
Do your worst. :)
Greg
I challenge all of you to match my disappointment and hatred for the BSG finale.
It is basically impossible.
Lost, on the other hand?
LOVE IT.
Yes, Lost is heading in a much better direction than BSG was in it's final hours.
I don't think I will get nearly as many answers as I would like, but its still looking better than BSG.
Having said that, I did get the complete BSG series on blu-ray for christmas, so my intent is to watch it all front-to-back, when I have time. Even the finale....
Greg
Do your worst. :)
What makes you think I have not already?
Do your worst. :)What makes you think I have not already?
After 4 kids and 3 dogs, I have gotten remarkably proficient in sussing out the location of various untoward odors in my house. If you've done your worst, I suspect you had the wrong address....
I will inquire with my neighbors.
Greg
Eric Mona wrote:
I challenge all of you to match my disappointment and hatred for the BSG finale.
Eric, with all due respect, I think I can match your disappointment.
During the first season of BSG, a friend of mine was involved in the production of it. He's the one who got them to understand how military organizations work, or one of them. He was also a fairly regular player of my space combat games.
During Season 2, the episode The Captain's Hand, when Lee Adama gives the order to bring the top of the Pegasus out of the strafing pattern, the terminology is very very close to how you'd describe the three dimensional move in Attack Vector: Tactical.
The placement of the heat exchangers (the plot MacGuffin for that episode to give the former Chief Engineer a heroic death) is also straight out of one of my products.
I got a phone call after the episode aired from my friend saying that, yeah, that was as close as they could come to giving me an acknowledged Shout Out in the production room. He says that if we'd had our flight bases and magnet adapters out then, they SO would've used them in the prop department.
There was a huge change in the writing and production departments between Season 2 and Season 3, and another huge change between Season 3 and Season 4; basically the two 'room writers' with any chops whatsoever on science (and their science consultant) got let go.
The closest I can come is this: Imagine that they had sly references to Blue Golem Game Books during the series; some of the background conversations had people talking about the awesome Find The Path games they were playing, or people talking about how their Blue Golem RPG books were never going to go into the paper recyclers.
THEN watch the final episode.
Wow.
Wow.
Indeed.
Live together or die alone.
Amazing show and I thank all the creators for the last 6 seasons (well most of the time anyway).
No spoilers here, but this finale's big reveal was the one I predicted after the first 3 episodes. It was also a 2008 movie starring Anne Hathaway. Every puzzling plot thread that the show generated went unanswered and was dismissed by a single simple answer that made them irrelevant. For me, the show's own special brand of supernaturalism, a unique signature that kept us curious for years, space flushed its own worth... seeking last minute validation by shedding its core concepts and aligning with a more widely accepted and everyday supernaturalism.
They took the easy way out, and while I respect the touching emotional gravity in which they swam, I didn't need to spend the better part of a decade connecting dots that would never get connected.
The big reveal makes the reason to get back to the island after first leaving make sense... after getting back to civilization they were only further from the island... further from the facts of their own death... and so they had to get back. The alternate reality might have been the communal restless soul's second launch at the fantasy of returning home... returning to life.
But. If the people who "survived" the crash were mired in Limbo, Jacob and ol' black Smokey... how is it they had private conversations with one another away from everyone else? After all, the island is where the restless spirits formed a communal reality, so how do we have asides from non existent entities? Were Jacob and the Man in Black restless spirits from long ago that needed the new blood to come in and affect their understanding of their own deaths as well? That would also explain Richard's situation. Some of those old guard castaways may have waited on that island for an eon before moving on.
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Plus, Hurley says to Ben outside the church "You made a great #2." And Ben responded with "You were a great #1" Because they spent time together protecting the island before either of them died.
The show was not purgatory. Just half of the last season.
Greg
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I think GregH's got it. That's exactly the same thing I took away from the finale. And while I wasn't completely thrilled with the Sideways revelations, neither was I disappointed.
I did love the way they resolved things on the island itself, although I was really expecting a higher body count.
All in all, I enjoyed the season finale and the entire series. It made for fun and intelligent TV - constantly theorizing about where the writers were taking everything. It'll be a long time, I think, before a show this good is back on the air.
All in all, I enjoyed the season finale and the entire series. It made for fun and intelligent TV - constantly theorizing about where the writers were taking everything. It'll be a long time, I think, before a show this good is back on the air.
I agree. There's a lot still unanswered (the whole raison d'etre of the Darhma Iniitiative is still rather vague) but it's not critical to enjoying the series as a whole.
And a series finale hasn't affected me that much since B5.
Greg
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I agree. There's a lot still unanswered (the whole raison d'etre of the Darhma Iniitiative is still rather vague) but it's not critical to enjoying the series as a whole.
Yeah, a lot of things went unsaid. It'd be nice if, one day, they put out a book or something whcih explores many of those issues. But, if they don't it won't be any skin off my nose.
And a series finale hasn't affected me that much since B5.
In discussing the finale with my co-workers, I mentioned B5 as one of the best endings for a series ever. Great minds, and all....
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I agree with GregH and Aberzombie.
Also, in many cases, they kind of pair off to go into the light with people they loved while they were on the island, and it would be kind of weird for that to happen based on relationships that were only formed after death, especially where the characters also had romantic attachments while they were alive. For example, while I thought it was pretty strange already that Sayid and Shannon were together in the church like they were soulmates given his attachment to Nadia, it would be even more bizarre if they hadn't actually met until after they were both dead.
I think the entire show was real and took place in the land of the living, including the Oceanic Six getting back to the mainland and then returning to the island, then they all met up after their deaths to remind them that they were all connected and that they needed one another to protect the island, which was ultimately the greatest thing they each ever did.
I challenge all of you to match my disappointment and hatred for the BSG finale.
It is basically impossible.
Lost, on the other hand?
LOVE IT.
Dear BSG. Im sorry I ever said your series finale was bad. Lost really showed how it was done.
I must need time to really mull this over since some of you are actually thinking it might have some kind of good in it. What a terrible ending.
I came on here to read all the comments about how terrible it was and people are liking it.
No Im REALLY confused.
Yeah, anyone who came away from that thinking
I was disappointed.
Basically, they unplugged a hole so they could kill Smoke Locke. Then they plugged the hole back up so the Island would still exist. Then they meet up in the afterlife. The End. Lame...
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I overall liked the finale, but wish they had answered some of the questions left hanging (primarily about the nature of the island itself, and what the Smoke Monster really was, as well as more of the ancient history of the island.) I thought the defeat of SM was fitting, and reminded me of using anti-magic field to beat something in D&D that you simply couldn't touch otherwise. It also let them beat him in a human struggle instead of some flashy special effects Deus Ex Machina.
Personal statements of me not paying attention or observations about how wrong I am aside (Not that these things don't happen often)... witness my best attempt to support my premise. I don't think the story was so locked up at the end that any of us should have such certainty, so here is what I think happened:
Jack's dad said a couple things there at the end, sure. But for me, the finale's writing and pacing felt rushed, and though I clearly heard what Christian said, his mystical comments could be taken more than one way, so I'm not going to base my understanding of the show on one interpretation of them over a comprehensive analysis which takes into account the show's episodic saga as a whole.
So it was as if to say, we the Lost writers are really not going to directly answer the island's mysteries - the big questions that fueled speculation for years - in favor of focusing instead on a side plot about how the passengers couldn't accept their deaths as an entire group even after spending time with each other on the island and successfully working through their many personal issues? This does not jibe for me. I don't think Christian literalism is the answer here. <G>
The time on the island... the time in that bus station between the here and the there... that was the most important time in their "lives" (I see life here meaning their existence of thought, and not a beating heart), because they, for the most part, did what they needed to do. They got real and got past that which anchored them to this life.
What I think happened (at least proof that I have been paying attention, even if I came up with different answers than some of you):
Oceanic flight 815 crash-landed on a tropical island. There were no survivors. Most passengers went on to their sweet reward, as souls are supposed to. However, some passengers could not let go and shed their coil because they left behind too many dread secrets buried and personal issues unresolved. (E.g., Sun cheated on Jin. How could she leave this world never having the chance to tell him she was sorry? How could he leave never telling her how he planned to escape his corruptive servitude to her wicked father?)
While alive, they didn't "do the work" as spiritualists might say. The island was their way, as a group of restless spirits, to work through their issues and accept themselves, their actions in life, and their deaths. The island was (likely) the site of their demise and so became the bedrock for the construction of their shared dream.
Imagine writers beginning the show with this premise: "What would happen if people crashed on a plane and those who were not ready to leave this world (those with compelling back stories!) shared the same reality, helping each other work toward acceptance of their lives and their deaths? What would it... nay, what might their shared experience look like?"
Poetic. Lovely. Solid design. No complaints. Compliments to the cook. I liked it when it was the film Passengers with Anne Hathaway a few years ago too.
Episode one… look at that! Locke can Wocke! Cancer disappears too! This is because those conditions were irrelevant impediments to what these people’s deeper issues were, primarily guilt. From here we'll see lovely fodder for interweaving speculative fiction mystery plot elements… smoke monsters, ancient civilizations, Paleolithic butt plug kill switches stuffed into the angry fire hiney of the island itself, time travel, and even a polar bear who, although later explained by some shared concept of a Dharma zoo, was originally just a picture in the comic book Walt had on the plane. I think the polar bear’s roar in the first episode was contributed by Walt’s memory, and the “survivors” communal reality eventually normalized it with some sort of explanation that made sense to their latest evolution of dreamed events.
Some tried to escape their fate with more vigor than others. The Oceanic Six imagined themselves off the island, but it never felt right because they'd hadn't really gone back to anything but a sad disconnected reality shared between them alone. Meanwhile their friends and enemies back on the island, closer to acceptance, suffered because they really did need to stick together and work as a group to get out of limbo. That's why the Oceanic Six had to come back. It didn’t feel right there in sunny Cali because leaving the island put them even further from the inescapable truth.
Then these souls were at it again, still wriggling around in their shackles and designing their own sideverse, one intimately connected to and concurrent with the original island reality - as evidenced by Jack's bloody neck in the sideverse immediately following the fight with Locke, while he was still very much alive on those ocean side cliffs.
Jack said Locke was the one who had it right all along. ALL ALONG. That’s important. That means throughout the entire storyline. Why did he say that? Because Locke believed the island was trying to tell them something. He had faith that there was a message in all of this. And there was. Deal and move on. And we all know it’s easier to conquer our demons with help from others. Ben realized this as well, that Locke was, as he said, “special” because Locke was the actual shepherd of the flocke (sorry). The only one listening with positive resolve to the island’s whispers and thus the one to lead them into the light.
Jack’s father was likely a benevolent apparition, like Walt, come from the other side to offer up a few inspirational hints to the mired. Some left the island earlier on. I believe Walt and the African crime lord in priest’s clothing may fall into that category.
Ben said he wasn’t quite ready to go with them there at the end and Hurley accepted it with a sad but accepting smile because Ben, for the first time, is living in a reality, fake as it is, oddly casting him as a genuinely good and beloved man. Perhaps he felt he’d been a bigger heel in life than that Egyptian statue, and now he'd rather take the blue pill and enjoy this latest Vanilla Sky type immersion. But at the end, Ben knew the deal. He was dead. That’s all the other spirits could ask of him, so they left him to his fantasy because a man like Ben maybe needed to go out on some kind of win even greater than being Hurley's 5’ 7”#2. (I’m really gross)
EDIT: Mark reminded me that there was no second flight... it was just the other plane half. That fact puts the rest the italicized story elements that seemed troublingly out of place below.
Here’s where I only have guesses and questions. Did that second flight crash, the one with Hurley’s girl, the crime lord masquerading as a priest, and the surly lady cop? Were those people real? Maybe they were but I don’t remember seeing any of them in that final church scene. I could see the Oceanic passengers cooking them up, but like with the Jacob/Man in Black, Richard conundrum… we see these non-Oceanic passenger characters speaking to one another in private or off walking alone. Might just be a chink in story logic there. Happens.
If that second plane was real, it’s hard to believe two planes would crash into the same island. Seems more likely that the island itself is a metaphor and they may have gone down at sea… however, the last scene shows a plane on an uninhabited island, so I’m thinking it’s real. Jacob, Man in Black, their adoptive mother, Richard… those folks may have wandered limbo for centuries or longer if not for the Oceanic new blood coming in to help peel them away. Perhaps Jacob got to set up some of the island rules because he was there first and the Oceanic passengers were stepping into his reality with his brother in limbo. I don't know... That all said, I’m guessing that even if the second plane wasn’t real, the African character was, if no one else. I think the small prop plane the crime lord’s brother crashed into that tree might have been real. Perhaps the restless spirit of the crime lord was connected to that plane, and that big feller was on the island not because he died here, but because it’s where his brother died for him, and he is so deeply shamed. He avoids searching for the plane until the other characters lead him to it simply by being there to lend their reality. I don’t know. The story logic really starts to murk up here.
The limbo thing… I thought that was the deal for most of the time I watched the show until later figuring I’d been proven wrong by all the extra mysteries they added. My disappointment was that they shot me down eleventy-seven rabbit holes only to say, “Those were just self-created realities, and a nebulous background upon which to work on their overarching issues.” While I get it, I didn’t care for the approach. Six years of connecting dots that proved to be beside the point and never needed to connect despite characters, by example, telling me that they had to be connected. Unless the time on the island wasn't originally limbo, in which case they just failed to answer many of the questions they posed for years.
If this was the only show to ever do that, I’d probably be at peace about it, but this is what speculative fiction TV shows often do. Lost writers are deep into Stephen King, and their wrap-up for the show was for me almost like The Stand where King writes about a bunch of people going here and there to do a bunch of things that really have little to do with the culmination. A thousand pages of busywork to lead them to a point where they leave it all behind and march bravely toward self sacrifice as God manifests a ghostly pimp hand and lawn darts Vegas with a tac nuke. Wha?
So there it is. Perhaps going through the series again with a fine tooth comb would augment my perspective, but remembering what I can, that's what I came up with.
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Personal statements of me not paying attention or observations about how wrong I am aside (Not that these things don't happen often)... witness my best attempt to support my premise. I don't think the story was so locked up at the end that any of us should have such certainty, so here is what I think happened:
** spoiler omitted **...
Very interesting read ... I'm not sure I agree with all of it, or even most of it, but it was certainly very well thought out and expressed.
Kudos.
Only one factual comment. You referred to the second plane crash (with Eko, Anna Lucia etc). That was not a second plane crash - it was the same one. Jack and the rest of the main characters were in the fuselage section of Flight 815 while Eko, Anna Lucia and the others were in 815's tail section which spilt apart while still in there air.
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The final episode was the only episode I watched.
Maybe all the unconnected dots and unanswered questions is like a mind suffering from conspiracy theories just trying to make sense of what it doesn't understand... or trying to avoid.
In the end, all that is relevant is all that mattered.
I do understand the frustration of the many viewers that thought they were being lead to a culmination of something and were instead left with the writers' indulgences.
I for one am glad I didn't follow the series during its run.
I don't get why anyone would want to protect the island, and I'm wondering how another airliner was conveniently parked across the channel. But I guess I don't really care enough to find out.
No spoilers here, but this finale's big reveal was the one I predicted after the first 3 episodes. It was also a 2008 movie starring Anne Hathaway.Yeah, I loved how Jack & Kate had to use their acrobatics to get through those laser beams in order to hack the MIB's laptop...
(I kid)
You know, like most retro TV programs brought to the big screen, it wasn't a faithful rendition, but I really liked the Get Smart remake. :) Not enough to own it, but I got a good few laughs against expectations going in.
Starsky and Hutch was nothing but a giggle at the old show's expense but I enjoyed that farce as well. I stopped being a Tarantino fan after Pulp Fiction, but he could have given us a HARD BOILED remake of that particular show.
Personal statements of me not paying attention or observations about how wrong I am aside (Not that these things don't happen often)... witness my best attempt to support my premise. I don't think the story was so locked up at the end that any of us should have such certainty, so here is what I think happened:
** spoiler omitted **...
Very interesting read ... I'm not sure I agree with all of it, or even most of it, but it was certainly very well thought out and expressed.
Kudos.
Only one factual comment. You referred to the second plane crash (with Eko, Anna Lucia etc). That was not a second plane crash - it was the same one. Jack and the rest of the main characters were in the fuselage section of Flight 815 while Eko, Anna Lucia and the others were in 815's tail section which spilt apart while still in there air.
Oh yeah! Thank you so much, Mark. That part was really bugging me because it didn't fit into my theory... at all. You've returned me to self-plausibility! :)
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Just my thoughts:
Lost was a soap opera/drama cleverly disguised as a science fiction show.
The island's mythos exists outside the central story of the show. In other words, the mythos is the an office building, while the office workers are the characters from Lost. The story is about the characters. Asking the questions "where did the island come from?" and "who were the people on the island in ancient times?" is akin to asking "who built the office building?" and "what company/who occupied the building 10 years ago?" The short answer is, that within the framework of the story that played out, it doesn't matter. Where the island came from, etc. are a completely different set of stories altogether and are only tangentially related to the story of the losties.
Likewise,
I thought the ending was fitting.
I'm certainly curious about a number of things, but I don't mind that those questions were left unanswered. It fits the idea that the answers aren't important, it was the journey they all took together that was important.
-Skeld