Pathfinder Adventure Path: Abomination Vaults (5e)

Anyone else have their order canceled? I got the Humble Bundle for Abomination Vaults and figured I would check on my order. Now it has red lettering stating I canceled my order today… I did not.

At the very least, they should have said that Paizo and not you canceled that order.

Major bummer!!! My preorder was cancelled this week too. I was REALLY looking forward to this one! I get it, Paizo, but a notification or update of some kind would have been nice.

I posted here in an effort to manage expectations and provide transparency. As Community managers, Jon and I don’t know anything about the canceling of pre-orders, so I’ll look into what’s going on when we’re back in the office.

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but if the book's future is looking dubious, perhaps it could be removed from the front page's upcoming releases banner? I think that's giving a lot of people false impressions about the state of the project.

This book will come out in 2024 now, if at all?

I don't need to know the behind the scenes reasons for the current delay. I just need official confirmation of when or if this product will be delivered. If it's not going to be delivered, then please let us just move on. I'm fine with waiting. I'm not fine with uncertainty.

I don't think they know yet when it or if it will ship. They'll update us when they can.

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but if the book's future is looking dubious, perhaps it could be removed from the front page's upcoming releases banner? I think that's giving a lot of people false impressions about the state of the project.

Agreed. We asked for this to occur last week. Thanks.

This book will come out in 2024 now, if at all?

I don't need to know the behind the scenes reasons for the current delay. I just need official confirmation of when or if this product will be delivered. If it's not going to be delivered, then please let us just move on. I'm fine with waiting. I'm not fine with uncertainty.

We apologize, but an official decision has not yet been made. We will provide clarity as soon as possible.

That's a little ominous.

TBH... First thing I though was that maybe it was because they instead decided to make a "Black Flag" version? :O

I just noticed that the purchase link now says "Preorder expected June 2023"

I just noticed that the purchase link now says "Preorder expected June 2023"

It appears we have kicked the can down the road, but that is not the expected date. This product is on indefinite hold.

They made a 5e version because 5e is still alive and active played, infinitely moreso than P1.

Aka there was money in making the 5e version, not so much the P1 version.

Someone doesn't understand the actual dynamic between WotC and Paizo, as usual.

It appears theyre not making it for either system after all.

Hey guys, what are you going on about? :P

Hey guys, what are you going on about? :P

lol

Dancing Wind wrote:

I just noticed that the purchase link now says "Preorder expected June 2023"

It appears we have kicked the can down the road, but that is not the expected date. This product is on indefinite hold.

As of this week, the product is in process again. No plans to cancel it, but also no estimated Release Date yet. We will let you know when we know!

Man, this thing has been an *odyssey*. I'll be really curious to see the final product!

A no-sarcasm good luck to the team getting it over the finish line! It seems like it's been a real struggle.

I'll be buying this solely to show that there's a market for it, even though I don't see myself running this particular AP (although I've been wrong before).

I've also converted and ran Rise of the Runelords and I'm converting and running Curse of the Crimson Throne right now in 5e! It can be done.

You don't happen to have those available online, do you? Like as a Google Doc?

Inchoroi wrote:

I'll be buying this solely to show that there's a market for it, even though I don't see myself running this particular AP (although I've been wrong before).

I've also converted and ran Rise of the Runelords and I'm converting and running Curse of the Crimson Throne right now in 5e! It can be done.

You don't happen to have those available online, do you? Like as a Google Doc?

I am also very interested if there is a google doc or sometjimg for this and would love to see!

kevin_video wrote:

Inchoroi wrote:

I'll be buying this solely to show that there's a market for it, even though I don't see myself running this particular AP (although I've been wrong before).

I've also converted and ran Rise of the Runelords and I'm converting and running Curse of the Crimson Throne right now in 5e! It can be done.

You don't happen to have those available online, do you? Like as a Google Doc?

I am also very interested if there is a google doc or sometjimg for this and would love to see!

One more voice for the chorus...

They made a 5e version because 5e is still alive and active played, infinitely moreso than P1.

Aka there was money in making the 5e version, not so much the P1 version.

PF1e is played as much as PF2e still, cause lot of us never demanded or wanted PF2e and wanted PF1e to continue, yet we here are abandoned just like WotC abandoned us 3e players to 4e.

Just support all editions, not that hard. Find it funny they'd rather support a rival company than their own brand.

EDIT: Also noticed my post is missing, way to censor the critiques from customers instead of considering them more.

Paizo doesn't support several editions at once for the same reason WotC or Games Workshop or pretty much every other gaming company doesn't: there's not enough money to be made on fans of previous editions since most of them have a "lifetime of material" and dropped off from buying new stuff. They're still playing the game; they're just not going to buy anything new for it. Paizo folks spoke on the occasion that late PF1 books barely broke even, and some even failed to profit, a good sign that the market was oversaturated and there simply was no sustainable business to be made with PF1 any more.

The few people who would still spend any $ on new PF1 content aren't big enough to justify diverting any major attention to them, doubly so if any of them are a customer equivalent of a crazy anime girl/boyfriend whom you dumped three years ago but they keep coming back to scream "DESPITE YOU ABANDONING ME, I STILL CARE!!!!!!" and attempt to kidnap you in order to have you confess your love to them.

Just support all editions, not that hard. Find it funny they'd rather support a rival company than their own brand.

Tell that to the playerbase.

You can air your complaints and wants as facts all you want but when the people who were making and selling the game explicitly say “it wasn’t making enough money anymore”, I’m gonna believe them over some rando on a forum whining.

EDIT: Also noticed my post is missing, way to censor the critiques from customers instead of considering them more.

You are not the main character, you are a nobody the same as me and everyone else. If you want your criticism to stay, don’t throw a tantrum or insults. The last post was removed because of it.

EDIT: Also noticed my post is missing, way to censor the critiques from customers instead of considering them more.

From one terminally online 1E stan to another, please just go outside and find another hobby. You’re wasting your time tilting at windmills.

The strategic reason to convert a few select Pathfinder adventure products to 5e is to give players a taste of Paizo quality. Does is give a us cash injection to sell to the huge 5e community? Maybe. Does it woo them into playing Pathfinder rather than or in addition to 5E? Hopefully. But this is a far cry from converting all our products to 5e. This product was delayed because of our capacity needs. Resources are a factor when one is the most prolific tabletop roleplaying game publisher in the industry.

Alternatively, Pathfinder First Edition players have already experienced Paizo quality. We woo them with the elegance of Pathfinder Second Edition and its ever-deepening options and lore. We continue to keep First Edition rulebooks in stock because it is profitable and because Lisa said we would until demand ended. Someday it might end.

We appreciate the passion on all side—even Pathfinder for Savage Worlds. We are focused on making Pathfinder Second Edition as vital as it can be. It is a great time to play Pathfinder in all its forms.

The strategic reason to convert a few select Pathfinder adventure products to 5e is to give players a taste of Paizo quality. Does is give a us cash injection to sell to the huge 5e community? Maybe. Does it woo them into playing Pathfinder rather than or in addition to 5E? Hopefully. But this is a far cry from converting all our products to 5e. This product was delayed because of our capacity needs. Resources are a factor when one is the most prolific tabletop roleplaying game publisher in the industry.

Thanks for keeping us up to date. Sounds like we're sorta back on track which I'm very happy to hear. Back on track in this case is the project is moving forward. I know that the timeline isn't necessarily June 23... but all I needed to know was whether it was a go or not.

The strategic reason to convert a few select Pathfinder adventure products to 5e is to give players a taste of Paizo quality. Does is give a us cash injection to sell to the huge 5e community? Maybe. Does it woo them into playing Pathfinder rather than or in addition to 5E? Hopefully. But this is a far cry from converting all our products to 5e. This product was delayed because of our capacity needs. Resources are a factor when one is the most prolific tabletop roleplaying game publisher in the industry.

Alternatively, Pathfinder First Edition players have already experienced Paizo quality. We woo them with the elegance of Pathfinder Second Edition and its ever-deepening options and lore. We continue to keep First Edition rulebooks in stock because it is profitable and because Lisa said we would until demand ended. Someday it might end.

We appreciate the passion on all side—even Pathfinder for Savage Worlds. We are focused on making Pathfinder Second Edition as vital as it can be. It is a great time to play Pathfinder in all its forms.

So this begs the question. If you say that Paizo doesn't backport content to 1e because 1e players have already had their taste off of the honey dipper, why did Kingmaker Anniversary get a 1e Bestiary? I would imagine that enough market research was done to warrant its creation.

I am also of the opinion that all Paizo's APs should also get 1e and 5e treatment, as pie in the sky as it may be

I’m pretty sure the P1 Bestiary was a stretch goal, but I may be misremembering.

I’m pretty sure the P1 Bestiary was a stretch goal, but I may be misremembering.

Interesting, so @Aaron Shanks, why not entertain the idea of making non-standard versions of Pathfinder adventures as crowdfunding campaigns? Certainly that would solve the resource problem, at least when it comes to the bread needed. Also it's free market research. Want to run Rise of the Runelords in 5e? Or is there any interest Council of Thieves in 2e? Age of Ashes in 1e? Back em on Kickstarter (or whichever site you guys choose)

Probably because those Kickstarters would fail.

Kingmaker 2e’s crowdfunding was, in no small part, due to the surprise success of the 1e-based Kingmaker videogame - that explains the 1e bestiary to me well enough.

That project straddling three rulesets is one small part of the many reasons it ran so late. I wouldn’t expect it to happen again.

Probably because those Kickstarters would fail.

I imagine a failed Kickstarter would be significantly less costly than a failed product run

Only if you discount time and work hours put into it.

I imagine a failed Kickstarter would be significantly less costly than a failed product run

As you have noticed, they're not making that mistake either.

Rysky wrote:

I’m pretty sure the P1 Bestiary was a stretch goal, but I may be misremembering.

Interesting, so @Aaron Shanks, why not entertain the idea of making non-standard versions of Pathfinder adventures as crowdfunding campaigns? Certainly that would solve the resource problem, at least when it comes to the bread needed. Also it's free market research. Want to run Rise of the Runelords in 5e? Or is there any interest Council of Thieves in 2e? Age of Ashes in 1e? Back em on Kickstarter (or whichever site you guys choose)

I am currently in interviews to fill the vacant Marketing and Media position and crowdfunding experience is a quality we are seeking. I expect you will see more Paizo crowdfunding campaigns in the future. But do not underestimate the resources a successful crowdfunding campaign requires of my marketing team. I'd rather spend money on true marketing research. We have our hands full promoting Pathfinder, Starfinder and our licensed partners.

I won't speak for Paizo, yet, but I have a bitter taste in my mouth regarding 5e. Pathfinder First Edition is not profitable for a company of our size. It resides at Pathfinder Infinite now. Converting old APs to our new edition is the most likely, either via crowdfunding and/or limited print runs.

Adventures Ahead!

One interesting thing to add here... Abomination Vaults is being developed as a video game.

So can I cancel my order from March 2022 since this has gone way to long?

Sent the email to customer service to cancel my order…bummer as I was looking forward to this.

I suspect that the "big news" that was alluded to in February was the switch to ORC and stripping out anything OGL related. So yeah I think this listing can and should be pulled.

I suspect that the "big news" that was alluded to in February was the switch to ORC and stripping out anything OGL related. So yeah I think this listing can and should be pulled.

Since WotC would (probably) object to using ORC and Paizo would (almost certainly) object to using Creative Commons, the only way this project goes forward is under OGL 1.0a. Has anyone from Paizo given any indication about the status of any possible discussion about this project between the two companies?

As Miracle Max would say, I think this project is only mostly dead, not completely dead. We will have to wait and see whether anyone starts going through pockets for loose change....

Hello!

This project has tentatively been bumped to Q1 2024! Right now I have that set for January, but that may shift again as we get closer to. (:

Thanks!
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I am looking forward to Abomination Vaults for 5e. I've enjoyed Paizo's products, but D&D 5e is the game I like to play. So as much as I can, I want to support Pathfinder or Starfinder content for 5e. If you show there's a market for something, then it might get made.

I fear, though, that with the OGL debacle and the upcoming ORC license, we may not see much more PF materials for 5e. I hope I'm wrong.

I fear, though, that with the OGL debacle and the upcoming ORC license, we may not see much more PF materials for 5e. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm always worried about this and hope that it won't end up being the case.

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Part of me wonders if moving this to January 2024 is to say this will be Tales of the Valiant compatible instead of 5th edition compatible xD but sad this is delayed but can't wait for this to come out!