Hound Archon (natural attacks)

I'm trying to figure out if the Hound Archon entry in the Bestiary is full of mistakes when it comes to the natural attacks... or if I am missing something special about its natural attacks?

It has Str mod +2 and two natural attacks (bite & slam). Both natural attacks are primary attacks, so they should add Str mod to damage when used alone or together during a full attack. That would give:

Bite +8 (1d8+2), Slam +8 (1d4+2)

But why does the Bestiary list:
Bite +8 (1d8+3), Slam +8 (1d4+1)

That makes it x1.5 Str mod for the bite, but x0.5 Str mod for the slam. Is this just a mistake?

Additionally, a natural attack used in a full-attack with a manufactured weapon is treated as a secondary attack, so it only receives half Str mod to damage, which would be:

Mwk Greatsword +9/+4 (2d6+3), Bite +3 (1d8+1)

But instead, the Bestiary lists it with full Str mod to damage:
Mwk Greatsword +9/+4 (2d6+3), Bite +3 (1d8+2)

Are all the natural attack Str mod to damage numbers incorrect? Or am I missing something?

I believe that the Bite is an Improved Bite, doing x 1.5 Strength. The Secondary attack with the bite moves this damage down category to x 1.0 strength.
My understanding of Bites comes from Eidolons, but as the got the Secondary to hit of the bite correct, I belive that the rest of the bite is correct. The Slam on the other hand looks confused - is it a primary attack (when not using a weapon) for x 1.0 strength, or should the To Hit be 5 points lower. My guess would be "Slam +8 (1d4+2)

The Bite should only do x1.5 STR if it was the Hound Archon's only natural attack. Since it also has the Slam, reefwood's corrected numbers look right to me.

Thanks for the replies. Just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing anything obvious (or not so obvious) to account for these inconsistencies. Seems like I haven't, so I will simply adjust the Hound Archon natural attacks based on the standard rules for natural attacks.

Hi,

as i'm a fresh conjurer i also stumbled over the Hound Archon; after studying the Melee Attacks, my understanding was, that

Melee bite +8 (1d8+3), slam +8 (1d4+1) or mwk greatsword +9/+4 (2d6+3), bite +3 (1d8+2)

means:

The first Bite is the Primary attack in Canine Form (hence the +8 Attack and the 1w8 (large Canine) +3 (Str x1,5).

The Slam and second Bite are the Primary and Secondary Attacks in Archon form (then the -5 to the Bite would make sense) but what i wondered was the str bonus on the slam... shouldn't it read 1d4+2 ?

And the mwk greatsword... yeah, well... if it is attacking with it and not attacking with his natural attacks.

So the only one thing which i would consider "wrong" here is the Str Bonus for the Slam Damage.

Could anyone shed some light to it ?

Regards, Calimar.

the entry seems to have several errors. first none of the information is for canine form it can take multiple shapes of different sizes with different damages.

secondly the bite should be 1d8 +2 for it to be str 1.5 an exception needs to be listed (ie dragon bite is always 1.5) the damage should be +1 as a secondary attack with the sword. again all secondary attacks are half str and no exception is given.

lastly slam should be full str

It should definitely be this:

Melee bite +8 (1d8+2), slam +8 (1d4+2) or mwk greatsword +9/+4 (2d6+3), bite +3 (1d8+1)

Funny enough - it already received errata in the 2nd printing to change the greatsword to 2d6+3 (I forget if the dice or the bonus changed).

I agree with Majuba's attack line. These inconsistencies were a little confusing the first time I tried to apply the benefits of Augment Summoning to the hound archon. It is a pretty minor issue, but it might be nice if it could be corrected via FAQ or in the next printing.