As an American that plays games that use imperial and metric systems, it makes no difference what unit of measurement the game uses. Feet/meters? I either count by squares or count distance by time (an hour away, 3 days a way, a week's travel). Weight? Simple matter of current weight vs total weight, units don't matter, just need to know if i'm above or below my limit. Volume? In the maybe three instances I've encountered in two decades worth of gaming where volume mattered, I just pull up google.

you might want to add some paragraphs if you expect anyone to read that.

Sissyl wrote:

UnArcaneElection wrote:

kikidmonkey wrote:

UnArcaneElection wrote:

kikidmonkey wrote:

A fancy dinner party.

A fancy dinner party in Geb.

A fancy dinner party in Geb, with the in-laws

A fancy dinner party in Geb, where the in-laws are also blood relatives.

A fancy dinner party in Geb, where the cannibal in-laws are also blood relatives.

A fancy dinner party in Geb, where the cannibal in-laws (Secretly Ghouls) are also blood relatives.

A fancy dinner party in Geb, where the cannibal in-laws (Secretly Ghouls) are also blood relatives, and they want you to try their new meatloaf recipe.

kikidmonkey wrote:

A fancy dinner party.

A fancy dinner party in Geb.

A fancy dinner party in Geb, with the in-laws

kikidmonkey wrote:

ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester wrote:

A Demi plane of immortal jesters. As in the motley fools. And every person is a jester, or clown, or acrobat, or magic mime. Welcome to a world of painful comedy at the players expense. And also the ruler is an all powerful jester with divine/arcane magic named Giacomo 'king of jesters and jester of kings'.

And I will now prepare to make a jester version of a brawler for my own personal amusement.

I thought that was just the Fey realm.

No, it's Your Closet - except my name's not Giacomo.

Dammit, i thought i cleared my closet of mimes.

A Demi plane of immortal jesters. As in the motley fools. And every person is a jester, or clown, or acrobat, or magic mime. Welcome to a world of painful comedy at the players expense. And also the ruler is an all powerful jester with divine/arcane magic named Giacomo 'king of jesters and jester of kings'.

And I will now prepare to make a jester version of a brawler for my own personal amusement.

I thought that was just the Fey realm.

On a train.

Adventurer's just hate being railroaded.

A fancy dinner party.

Used an Eidolon, doesn't count.

i read the target line as: One creature, OR one non-magical object of up to 100 cu. ft./level

as in, you can target one creature

or you can target one non-magical object of up to 100 cu. ft./level.

So at CL 0, you can target only a single creature, but no objects.

Now for a Cool spell to use, Polymorph any object, duration dependent on how similar the target is to the chosen form, instead of CL

awaken and breath of life are learned only by divine casters (at least from my research)

*COUNTER EDIT!* My argument isnt about Power, but of Efficiency, I have no problems playing weak(er) characters for coolness factor, but in this case, there is an better way to do it, that has the added benefit of not getting slapped by your DM.

*EDIT 2: The Re-editoring* I am, of course, assuming we are using a FIGHTER for these arguments, and not some other class, that may get more out of it.

kidmonkey wrote:

But it IS a method psychologists use to help people overcome their phobias

I'm also going to guess that the success or failure in those sessions are not decided by rolling dice.

Maybe the BORING sessions

Tooth Fairies.

CR 1/4, can do dex or cha damage.

Of course that doesn't mean you can't outfit your personal guard in ceremonial solid gold armour and weaponary for the bling factor. You could probably even do a rainbow effect with enough wealth afterall if you can make gem golems you can make Ruby, (orange gem of some sort) Topaz, Emerald, Saphire, Amethyst armour and weapons.

And then they all climb into their color coordinated Apparatus's of Kwalish to battle evil.

I plan my characters all the way up to level 20 and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, hehehehahahahaaaMWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHa *cough*

since i have no smurfing avatar, let's see if a smurf will change that.

how about dogs, or bees, or dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you!

On the other hand magic cannot beat skills mechanically. Try using magic to find a successfully stealthed rogue when your perception isn't worth anything.

except for those spells that grant a +5/10/20/40 to a skill, or grant you scent, or blindsight, or a climb check, swim speed, fly speed, burrow...

98) see horrible eldritch abomination from beyond the stars, decide to punch it.

86) will attempt to break a door open before checking to see if it's unlocked.

72. Spend three hours investigating a flower in a field.

he was using his familiar for combat AND NOT HIMSELF. he was trying to make his familiar (a spider monkey) powerful, he tried to make it a gorilla early on, but was blocked by our old GM, who was in fact the OP on this comment thread.

So?

Instead, he took what he thought was cool looking (Ie flight and mount evolutions on an eidolon) but had none of the support or weapon profs for a mounted character.

So?

@Rynjin, I wasn't saying it was an unfair advantage, but when everything he does (or tries to do) revolves around this monkey familiar, then he argues with the GM when the GM tells him that the familiar can't do it, it gets aggravating.

Is it because the familiar really cant do it, or is it because the GM doesn't WANT the familiar to do it?

As for the summoner character AND the wizard char, there have been entire 6 hour long sessions where he hasn't cast a single spell above 0th level

So? If it's a problem for the party, let the party deal with it.

I'm sure there are other domains that might not fit (like, destruction for god might be a stretch

someone needs to brush up on their old testament, methinks.

You just did a good job of describing the chaotic alignment in Pathfinder.

@all
Ok after reading this I think I'll go with can be other alignments but you need to justify it to me in terms of your character first.

"Chaotic Neutral Core Concepts: Capriciousness, fate, freedom, individuality, liberty, self-possession, unpredictability"

Did I?

i choose to read "British In-laws" as they are british due to marriage.

What I AM after is this: If you aim to create a pathfinder pc that resembles a certain media character, why is it so important that every fluff you have in mind is backed up by facts?

like others have said, for the sanity of the character. Now I don't normally make "special" characters myself, but sometimes people want a character that can do something that is atypical, like wield a giant sword one handed, if there is no change in the mechanics, then they aren't doing it. If the sword only LOOKS giant, but functions the same as any normal sword, then there is no internal consistency with the character, or the world around him.

Example: Yes my sword that i tore form the grip of a dead giant is great, but i also do the same damage with Joe's sword, likewise, Joe can swing my Giant Sword just as efficiently as his own. No wonder that Giant went down so easily.

If it is the flavor you are after, why is it important to create new rules? Why not use the existing rules and still play your fluff?

Some "flavor" needs to be backed up with crunch to maintain flavor. If your flavor is a guy who can breathe fire, and he in fact, cannot breathe fire. Then what the hell is going on?

Now, I personally, try to make my flavor and crunch match in the first place, but there are some archetypes (titan mauler) that can't effectively do what their fluff implies, and that's an issue.

Example 2: Someone wants to play a strong dual wielding Samurai. How important is it that this pc really has the samurai class written on his sheet? From a rules perspective he could well play a slayer, getting TWF from a ranger combat style. If he behaves and dresses like a samurai why would it be any worse, fluff wise, than a pc with samurai written on the sheet? Again, why look at the rules when you are aiming for a certain fluff?

If the crunch came first, then the fluff can be rewritten, if the fluff came first, then the crunch should match it.

What i mean by this is: If the fluff is on the Player's side, that is to say, the character wrote the fluff, then they should be matching the crunch that is there. But if the fluff is on the game's side, the game should have the mechanics match it. Again, the most notorious example of this is the Titan Mauler.

at your level, i think it's highly unlikely that the familiar CAN kill you in your sleep, a 1d4 plus poison coup is unlikely to do much other than incur your wrath assuming you are a strong fort save character since you mentioned being a tank and using an axe, and being at least level 8 (for the character to have an imp familiar), I'm guessing your Fort is at least +8 which means if the imp maxed damage you have a 50/50 shot of saving. Which is unlikely for the imp to go through with it.

Now of course that is all OOC knowledge, IN character simply state every night "If i am killed in my sleep, kill the imp."

That'll more or less ensure that the little bastard will keep you alive.

True dat, Dr D.

Marroar Gellantara wrote:

Tripping over useful tools is not acting with honor.

Paladin falls.

Falling over useful tools is a paladin tradition.

All the Antipaladin sees is useless tools.

The paladin's code is both vague and restrictive enough that literally any action can be grounds for falling.

Oddly enough, the code relates very little to an alignment conversation.

Paladin trips over a rake, Paladin falls.

How about a Ratfolk named Ricky Rous?

uh, True Strike will do it.

the way to keep him honest without calling him out on it is to call him out on it.

that's not to say to accuse him of cheating, just a "hey bro, I need to SEE it."

didnt read the whole thread, but if use of an [EVIL] descriptor can change your alignment to evil then you must also allow spells with the [GOOD] descriptor change your alignment to good.

And honestly, do you REALLY want the players to be able to do that? That sounds like a bad plan to me. Casting protection from evil shouldn't be able to make up for slaughtering a bunch of people, and protection from good shouldn't dock you if you are a living saint.

When the casters have spent all their spells, the barbarian all his rage rounds and the paladin all his smites and lay on hands, the good old meat shields and their flanking buddies can shine again ;-)

except they are either camping with the rest of the team or going into the dungeon alone.

RAW requires you to have a god who empowers you and whose goals you serve, but your mission is for you to invent. You could have a background as a policeman, a monster hunter, an assassin or a bodyguard.

Or, of course, a pair of blues loving brothers trying to save the orphanage they grew up in from foreclosure.

Update:

I showed it to the group. Responses:

"What the hell? You dress like a whore!"

"That's rather... boobalicious, don't you think?"

"Uh... maybe you could just use Heromachine."

Your group needs to get out more.

On the forums, I find that a majority of the time when someone says "you aren't playing Pathfinder" is when someone starts a thread saying something like "Wizards are terribly underpowered!" or "Rogues are AMAZING!Why does everyone say they suck?", people then come in and explains the reasonings and then we find out that the OP's DM has so heavily houseruled the game that it's no wonder why the OP is saying that.

I have seriously seen people say how the fighter is overpowered in their game, and then mention how the DM has basically combined all the abilities of fighter rogue and monk, and taken the best of their saves and bab. And then limited casters to only six level casting and has removed all save or suck, teleportation, and divination abilities.

Is the game still technically Pathfinder? Yes. but you can't expect that player's experience to match that of a typical PF game.

this made me realize, not having a male heir shouldn't be a problem in pathfinder.

Heh, "You drink this potion RIGHT NOW MISSY!"

Depends on the game. Some aren't all about killing monsters, but actually deal with personal lives, relationships, ambitions, past hidden traumas and all the fun kind of stuff you see in plenty of fantasy literature.

Along with killing monsters, of course.

We've had several campaigns like that, it's just, again, there is much bigger things to focus on in fantasy settings. The gender crisis tends to take a backseat to the newly reincarnated character's species crisis. Or how the sorcerer discovered he was a sorcerer when he caused his little sister to turn inside out.

Now of course, custom campaigns are going to vary, but i think in the context of Golarion, where you could very well have a portal to the Abyss open in your storm cellar, a person's gender just isn't that important.

Even if the duke/king/tavern owner/little suzy quest-giver thinks transgendered people are weird/gross, you are going to do the same thing you would do if they were elf/dwarf/orc haters: Send in Joe, instead. If they refuse to associate with your entire party, the wizard then goes "okay i cast alter self, I am now someone completely unrelated to the party. Now i go and talk to them."

Here on normal, boring old earth, yeah some people have big issues about this. But if Seal Team Six burst into a room with flash bangs and assault rifles, which one of them may be transgendered is probably going to be the last thing on even the biggest bigot's mind.

Showering and deodorant would go a long way to encourage diversity

(god i wish i was joking)

He has effectivley shown that at least in monsters they did Double Dip in Pathfinder and thus we were not ALWAYS at war with Eastasia.

Duh! We're at war with EURASIA! We've always been.

A Spoony Bard! (play the rhythm with your hands!)

The first thing to do is to talk to your GM and have a nice discussion on the limits of illusions spells so you aren't surprised later. Depending on your GM, illusion magic can be great or worthless.

PF has improved customization and options over a lot of RPGs imo, and the class guides are great, but a focus on optimizing DPR, AC, and saves at the expense of roleplaying takes getting used to.

*SIGH* Once again, optimization and role playing skill are independent of one another. Being good at one has no bearing on the other.

And if your PC walks into a room wallpapered with hundreds of Explosive Runes? Is that also okay?

pfft, I'm blind bring it on.

Like TBP said, first talk to your GM about possible interactions issues, such as what constitutes "interact"

As for Silent image, it's best used for things like fake walls/floors, creating hiding places that are terrain specific (boulders/crates/poo mound)

In combat, Silent Image is mostly useful for cover, possibly for fooling opponent into thinking it's an enemy and go after it or provide an ally flanking (Your mileage may vary here)

Other useful uses for image spells (and again mileage may vary) is to do stuff like cast an "image fireball" once or twice, convincing the opponents that it's safe to ignore and then follow up with a real fireball, or the opposite, cast a fireball or two and then a third fake one to send the opponents running for cover.

In my group, successful reflex saves often send opponents into new squares as they are diving for cover so we can get more potential use for such things.

Higher level image spells are obviously more useful as they fool more senses, so that's where you can really use fake firewalls and such

yeaaaaaah I'm the thinnest guy in my group and I am probably 20 lbs overweight, this wouldn't work.

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