They have to police it better. I have local store that every year make it a policy you have to buy 25 dollars retail to get the "free stuff". This is the response.
It is untrue they offer last years stuff they couldn't get rid of for free.
I really hope that there's never a "next edition". Ever. I have invested way too much into Pathfinder to see it all "reset". Not to mention that I love having increasingly more content to chew through. It's why I have 19 PFS characters right now... I love building new characters with the new options.
O hope you right...
wooot Hanse Shadowspawn
Shanda Sage wrote:
Did you read the book? The English Empire was spread throughout the world. It couldn't bring its total army. On top of that, when they the British, attacked Boston and New York Harbor(the places of deepest dissension) they galvanized the North. This opened up a third front and a need for more aggresive leadership(Grant).
The South fired first. Please read your history books.
So you are saying that you are born a pwr gamer, just like a African-American or Native American(like my self) or maybee its a belief system, you worship some great pwr gamer or gamers in the sky?
When a player tweaks out every skill point and every feat and could careless about the world around them, those are power gamers. The are selfish and the game is all about them them them!
When you create a strong will personality with thoughtful ideas, I could careless about the build as long as you dont try to bend the rules and ruin the game for everyone(which is what people do, when they pwr game).
When did I make a illusions towards real life? If you want to play a combat monster with no personality, more power to you(not to say a person in the navy seals have no personality god knows I voted for one for GOV)just not in my game.
Look I have banned many people from my gaming table. I even told one person they need to bathe before they sit down at the table(thx god they nvr returned). Many of you who take offense at my dislike for pwr gamer, well I guess that is to bad.
Scott Betts wrote:
Look GMs make a attempt to make the game fun for all. We work hard and try to give every player what they want(high adventure, gritty city scapes, outdoor survival). It goes both ways, when a player is only interested in how to build the best blaster ETC, I am not interested in them. Wow inner motivation would be nice from a pwr gamer but all you get is a hassle and a self-serving attitude and to heck with other players enjoyment.
Chris Mortika wrote:
Your right I should talk about intent. The character had no real reason to take a lvl of Barbarian, other than for the move bonus and the rage ability.
Scott and Maloo, what exactly do you guys think Optimization is? Seriously, you would kick a Fighter out for taking what Power Attack and Cleave, that is, optimizing the Fighter. What is on your list of okay feats for a Fighter then, Skill Focus Use Magic Device?
No that doesnt, but taking a lvl of Barbarian for the movement when it doesnt fit the character(city noble)and fighting and screaming that it is his character.
Bending the polymorph rules till they break before they were fixed.
Scott Betts wrote:
Ok first no power gamer I know of would give me a backstory. Now if you did that and optimize thier character, I could over look that.
Look if you guys like beefy top heavy character their are GM's out there for you. I and most GM's prefer thoughtful, character builders that add to the story line instead of blasting though the game like some steroid fueled beast.
Not every RPG message board will cater towards your style of play, and god help us if this one does.
Huh? We arnt talking about a race or creed of people. We are talking about of a style of play. Many GMs dont like pwr games. They take away from the role playing aspect of "role playing games".
I have tried to compromise with player about power gaming. It never works they all seem to have a ego about it. If today a pwr gamer was invited to my game I would sit down and work with him. I doubt it would come to some kind of touchy feely meduim but if you feel you can work it out more power to you.
No just make a informational post.
What I would change in the core, or maybe what my home rules will look Like.
Instead of why I am Disappointed.
If you don't like don't buy it. I hate alot of RPGs. I hate most of the RPGs my wife plays. I keep my mouth shut, those are not for me and were not created with me in mind.
I don't get on there message boards and try to spoil there fun, telling them that the d10 system is flawed or the d6 system is to limited.
I just let people have fun and be as contructive as I can.
But its all said and done. Now you are just spitting in someones soup. If its not your cup of soup, dont buy it.
Geting on a message board and just saying you don't like a finished product others are looking foward to, and good people have worked hard on, just makes you seem unappreciative and a spoilsport.
Then play beta...its free and u can print out till your sick.
Robert Brambley wrote:
Why not replace Wis with Con?
Hey working in a small backward town in a really good game store, I must agree we need to be careful. We have already got some parents who have said and I quote " Is that Devil stuff like D&D?" This stuff dies hard and I dont see adding fuel to the fire as a good thing.
But on the other hand they are stuip people who would never allow there kids to play anyways, but why allow ammo for there represive believe's. So I guess that is the back of the hand? Ok. Alright they are pretty dumb so I dont have all the answers but maybee we need to be cautious in Bush's America
My 12 cents
Vic Wertz wrote: