Welcome to Paizo, Dark Mistress. :)
(And no, we still don't have the GSL.)
And Friday Vic?
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Ah, when technical directors try to be clever. ;-)
I think someone on one of these boards said that there are sufficient monsters, rules and dungeon material at enworld to play some 'playtest' type 4e... I may be wrong on this.
In any event have the people at Paizo trialed the 4e system that is out there yet- to determine how it 'feels' for the purpose of making a decision when the GSL is available?
Sigh....
slinks away
Well, what is Paizo leaning toward? d20 3.5 version or 4 in the future? Have they said without reading 32 pages worth?
Kohl
No, I don't believe they have made any formal announcements as of yet. Last I heard they still don't have the GSL thing. I think they are getting frustrated with the situation judging from posts made.
My guess is that we'll know by the end of the month - at least what the plans are for 2008.
Isn't that a new show from FOX?
Ah, when technical directors try to be clever. ;-)
Maybe Myth Busters can do an episode on the existance of the GSL...
Maybe Myth Busters can do an episode on the existance of the GSL...
I think they did do an episode on the GSL, but the disclose they signed won't let them air it.
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In any event have the people at Paizo trialed the 4e system that is out there yet- to determine how it 'feels' for the purpose of making a decision when the GSL is available?
Unfortunately, a lot of that's irrelevant.
One of the reasons that 3rd party publishers (like Paizo) need to see the GSL is to let them know what they can - and can't - do in their products. The GSL may expressly forbid the creation of new monsters, for example. Or new character classes. (Have no idea if that'll be the case, but you get the idea.)
If Paizo can *only* use monsters listed in the Monster Manual under that scenario, they may choose not to switch to 4th edition, no matter what they think of 4th edition. They could decide that it's a great game, but the GSL is so restrictive, it's not worth using.
"How the rules can be used", at this point, is probably just as important as the rules themselves, if not more so.
Date that Erik started this thread: Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 08:19 PM
lol
Date that Erik started this thread: Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 08:19 PM
lol
Six more days until we celebrate the thread's five month anniversary.
What are you going to buy the thread? Any special plans for it? How about we throw the thread a surprise party?
Maybe we can buy it a GSL? Anybody know where we can get one?
I am with you.
Vic Wertz,
Later this Tuesday afternoon would you please confirm that you have not received the GSL, or.. be it that you actually have it received today, please let us know that as well.
Feel free to wait to the afternoon.
You may convey this answer with as much humor as you wish. I won't mind. :D
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Date that Erik started this thread: Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 08:19 PM
lol
Six more days until we celebrate the thread's five month anniversary.
What are you going to buy the thread? Any special plans for it? How about we throw the thread a surprise party?
Dear 'Paizo is still undecided thread',
First of all, I'd like to thank you for your service to this community. At first, you were a common place where we could get together and talk about our hopes and fears about the future of our game or even our lives in general. I remember popping in about 15 pages back and talking with some others about our kids. Oh, the off-topic discussions we had.
But, frankly, you've pretty much reached the end of your value to the community and I'm afraid we're going to have to let you go. I know you worked hard but, near the end, you kind of became a joke -- a place where people would go to tease Vic or make $murf jokes. With the recent news about P-RPG, you value has diminished considerably.
I know you had a five-month anniversary coming up. Maybe we'll still commemmorate it in some way.
Best of luck in your future endeavours,
Tarren Dei
*Plays Taps.*
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Vic Wertz,
Later this Tuesday afternoon would you please confirm that you have not received the GSL, or.. be it that you actually have it received today, please let us know that as well.
Feel free to wait to the afternoon.
You may convey this answer with as much humor as you wish. I won't mind. :D
Sorry—I got busy that day for some reason, but I can tell you we still don't have the GSL today!
And, hey, this thread isn't totally irrelevant—while we have made a decision on Pathfinder, we may still do non-Pathfinder 4E products. Wizards knows we still want to see the GSL.
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I find it odd that no one put that decision in this thread... there are still those uninformed masses out there (points to self) who DON'T know what that decision was... and are still trying to find it in the mounds of text throughout this website.
Yes, for us Paizo-grognards, this is old news. I can understand how the decision and such might be difficult for new visitors.
Nutshell: Paizo had to make a decision regarding their own business and product line and couldn't wait for WotC's GSL. Get the full scoop by reading the linkified Paizo announcement.
Nutshell: Paizo had to make a decision regarding their own business and product line and couldn't wait for WotC's GSL. Get the full scoop by reading the linkified Paizo announcement.
Not only did they not want to wait for the GSL but the found it disagreeable once they saw it, as did many third party publishers.
Not only did they not want to wait for the GSL but the found it disagreeable once they saw it, as did many third party publishers.
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Not only did they not want to wait for the GSL but the found it disagreeable once they saw it, as did many third party publishers.
While this is most certainly true, the train had long since left the station before it became a relevant point to the specific theme of this thread or the previous poster's question.
I have to say that I am pretty damn disappointed by both the GSL and Paizo's decision to not publish under it. I've been a big fan of the company since they originally took over Dungeon and Dragon, and the adventure paths have been great.
Unfortunately, I've been done with 3.5 for quite a while (right now I am running Age of Worms using a mutant hybrid of 3.5 and C&C) and have stopped purchasing any 3.5 materials (even though the current pathfinder stuff looks great, I don't have the time to do conversions).
The Pathfinder RPG is not a solution for me. It still has way too much 3.x baggage for me to consider it.
I'm pretty on-board with 4e as a system, and plan to play it a bit.
I am just saddened that I will not get to see any great Paizo material for it.
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Not that it needs to be said, but just wanted to add one more voice to the support for Paizo in this endeavor.
The decision has already been made, and I wasnt around for all the hand wringing, but it is the RIGHT decision given all the factors involved.
Kudos to you Erik, and to all the Paizo staff for first having the foresight to see the future of D&D according to WotC, and realizing what it would mean...second for having the brass balls to take that step forward....
Ah!
Necro thread.
I read the title and almost had a heart attack! :)
Hey guys,
I'm in as long as Paizo stays with 3.5ish and does not make the 'upgrade' to 4e. I've taken a long hard look at 4e and decided it is not for me. This is really the first time we have a dedicated company willing to produce quality products to support an out-of-print game.
Hat off to you Mr Mona. You have my support (through my FLGS) for as long as you help us 3.5ers. Admittedly my game of choice if 2e, so if you want to actively start publishing there, I'm in too. :)
Just to clarify: Thanks to the OGL and the new Pathfinder Roleplaying Game that is now in an open Beta Test, Paizo is actually going to be producing their own in print game. And it will be a game that just happens to be compatible with all the 3.5 material we currently have. (You can download a FREE copy of those rules here at Paizo.com).
So they aren't supporting an "out-of-print" game so much as picking up the torch where 3.5 left off. Which is even better, in my opinion!
Ah!
Necro thread.
I read the title and almost had a heart attack! :)
It definitely grabbed my attention!
Paizo please DO make Gamemastery 4e Power Cards along the lines of your awesome item cards. I'll buy two decks immediately. I guess conversion guides for my Adventure Path subscription would be too much to ask for, which makes me sad.
Paizo please DO make Gamemastery 4e Power Cards along the lines of your awesome item cards. I'll buy two decks immediately. I guess conversion guides for my Adventure Path subscription would be too much to ask for, which makes me sad.
Wizards license doesn't allow for a single product to be both OGL and 4E. Also under wizards' 4E license, you can't make card type products. Plus Paizo said they're going to do one edition or the other, not both (and they choose to create their own 3.5 variant).
Buggery. Well that's it then. (Though I wasn't thinking of cards that would be compatible with both 4e and 3e). On another board someone says someone is making 4e Power Cards.
What do you want us to do?
Continue to support 3.0/3.5 with your established customer base for established product lines, but also develop new 4.0 lines for the new version of D&D.
Having played it for awhile now, the new version is not really compatible with the old style of epic adventuring. D&D 4.0 is fun, but it is more like Dragonball Z in a table top game than like what D&D was for thirty years. That implies new adventures that have an emphasis on a series of connected combat encounters much like occurs in a lot of Anime and Manga.
In service,
Rich
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Paizo please DO make Gamemastery 4e Power Cards along the lines of your awesome item cards. I'll buy two decks immediately. I guess conversion guides for my Adventure Path subscription would be too much to ask for, which makes me sad.Wizards license doesn't allow for a single product to be both OGL and 4E. Also under wizards' 4E license, you can't make card type products. Plus Paizo said they're going to do one edition or the other, not both (and they choose to create their own 3.5 variant).
You also can't reprint the relevant rules under the GSL, and I don't think Power Cards that just have titles would make anyone happy. The GSL thus has several ways of ensuring that nobody other than Wizards can do useful Power Cards.
Continue to support 3.0/3.5 with your established customer base for established product lines, but also develop new 4.0 lines for the new version of D&D.
Impossible, in accordance to WotC's own rules.
You may NOT develop for both.
I think by forcing people to choose, they may have made a drastic tactical error.
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Here's what ya do....
1.) PUT ALL CREATIVE EFFORT INTO PATHFINDER...
2.) forget about 4.0
Paizo is in a VERY good position to take the game market by storm. I would hate to see efforts to produce 4.0 material get in the way of what you all are doing with Pathfinder. More and more people are coming around to the idea that 4.0 is NOT D&D. It's not meeting these peoples gaming needs. Pathfinder however WILL meet those needs and in time more and more of these people will come flocking to Paizo and Pathfinder.
If you guys want to make some kind of "Card" product just keep making the products you have been making, just for Pathfinder. The Critical Hit and Fumble decks are incredible. The item cards have also been very useful. If you want to make some kind of "Power Card" then how about a set of Spell Cards for Pathfinder?! They would make keeping track of spells known/memorized much easier. You guys have already shown that your capable of creating some awesome card products.
Just tell WotC...Thanks but no thanks.
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Continue to support 3.0/3.5 with your established customer base for established product lines, but also develop new 4.0 lines for the new version of D&D.Impossible, in accordance to WotC's own rules.
You may NOT develop for both.
I think by forcing people to choose, they may have made a drastic tactical error.
I concur completely! The new GSL and what WotC is trying to do with it is FUBAR.
Paizo PLEASE don't get involved with the GSL!!
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Continue to support 3.0/3.5 with your established customer base for established product lines, but also develop new 4.0 lines for the new version of D&D.Impossible, in accordance to WotC's own rules.
You may NOT develop for both.
I think by forcing people to choose, they may have made a drastic tactical error.
Please show me where it says this in the GSL.
It's not true. Mongoose, for example, are releasing products under both the GSL and the OGL.
He is Right... and he is Wrong..
They could not do a Pathfinder 3.5 and 4E, But they may be able to do another whole Line not related to pathfinder in 4E only..though the language is unclear but that is what it seems to say.
though it does not matter, since Paizo says they do not have the resources to do this.