Let the Voting Commence!

August 17, 2015

The Open Call is over, and now it's time for YOU to determine our Top 32! Voting will run until 11:59 PM Pacific time on August 30th, and our Top 32 (and four alternates) will be announced the next day. Voting is handled by presenting two random items side-by-side to a voter, and having the voter select which is better. Over the course of thousands of votes, we'll sort through all the entries and determine which are most popular with the voters. Every couple of days we'll cull the lowest percentage of vote-getting items so they don't keep showing up, which should both keep the voting process more interesting for voters, and give us a better field of final items.

Since we are determining our Top 32 using just the public voting this year, the kind of contest we have is very much up to the fan-base. You can use any metric you wish to determine which items get your votes, but I strongly suggest you include asking yourself "would I want to buy a product written mostly by the designer who created this item?" There's nothing wrong with personal preferences, but remember that at the end of the day, we need someone who can actually write RPG products you want! We're trusting you to find them. We hope you'll take that trust seriously.

As a more specific voting consideration, voters should keep in mind that the official template presented with the Open Call rules didn't provide the BBCode tags to have spells listed as prerequisites be italicized. Since the proper format for such items as presented in the Core Rulebooks (referenced by the Open Call rules) is to italicize spell names, voters shouldn't penalize contestants who did so. Since the formatted entry offered in the open call rules lacked this, voters also shouldn't penalize contestants who didn't italicize spell names in the prerequisites section.

While of our Open Call judges are already looking at many of the entries, their detailed comments on each item wouldn't be put up until we have determined our Top 32. It'll likely take a few days, so we ask fans and contestants to be patient when Round 1 ends. We will get feedback to all our Top 32, it just won't be immediate. Subsequent rounds will function as they have in the past, with judges' comments presented as each voting period opens.

Speaking of subsequent rounds, contestants who want to begin work on round 2 should note that the maps this year are the same scale as Paizo's Flip-Mats, a 24 x 30 square grid with a 1 square = 5 feet scale that represents an encounter area. We'll provide a grid to download before round 2 starts (hopefully later this week). Each map should use the entire grid area in a useful and interesting way, provide all the details a professional cartographer needs to create a complete, engaging, useful encounter map, and should include a compass rose (in all cases) and legend (where appropriate), even though Paizo flip-maps don't normally have either. We don't care if you draw and scan your maps, use mapping software, or draw it within illustration programs, as long as the final entry matches the dpi and scale we'll list in the official rules.

These maps should present encounter areas that makes GMs itch with ideas for interesting challenges to run their players through. In addition to the map's name, each entry may have up to 50 words of prose to help provide context for the map, though this kind of description isn't required. The maps need not be publication quality, and the judges aren't rating maps based on artistic merit. However, the maps do have to be concise, easily understood, and presenting enough details to allow a cartographer to know exactly what the end product of each map is supposed to look like.

There's no specific theme for the map this year, and while the official Round 2 rules (which will be posted prior to Round 2 officially beginning) take precedence over this blog post, we aren't planning any last-minute twists to the rules.

I want to thank everyone involved in this contest for making RPG Superstar Season 9 possible. Obviously the staff and judges are doing in a lot of work over the course of the contest, and the contestants have put their creations out in the public eye, but I want to thank the voters as well. Going over entries, considering their merits, taking the time to vote, and even getting involved on the contest messageboards is often an otherwise thankless task, but without that effort there'd be no point in having a contest. We all appreciate the time and effort our fans put into the contest every year, and we hope you'll all be thrilled by the end result.

Vote Now!

Owen K. C. Stephens
Developer and RPG Superstar Host

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Liberty's Edge

AT LONG LAST !!!

Best of luck to all participants ;-)

Liberty's Edge

The point about using italics for spells (ie, that both using them AND not using them is OK) could be bolded IMO, as this can have the greatest impact on voting.

Lot of info about round 2. I guess most people will start working on their maps asap.

Will we be informed of when the cullings are taking place ? In previous years, people kept a list of items and clearly separated them after each culling so that contestants could see whether their item made it through the cull or not.

I think it would be great if we can keep on doing this ;-)

Thanks a lot to Paizo for giving us this great venue for game design, to the judges and staff who help this madness keep some semblance of order and to Owen for taking the heavy responsibilities of host.

Community & Digital Content Director

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The formatting note has been added to the contest FAQ, by the way.

The culls will be small and frequent, as opposed to the mass cull of last season, so they won't be announced via a blog or anything. Because of this, the amount of entries, and the shortened timeline, it will be less obvious to spot what's been taken out. Owen may decide to say when we perform culls, but it'll be a fairly seamless process.

Dedicated Voter Season 9

I hope Desna smiles on me.

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16 aka jeffh

I wasn't feeling it this year, despite my decent performance last time. Partly because there's so many other systems I've got on my mind right now, including my own, that I'm not really thinking in Pathfinder terms at the moment. Perhaps next time I'll enter again. Good luck to all who did decide to enter!

Liberty's Edge Star Voter Season 9

Are there more entries to be added? I hope so, otherwise my submission was DQ'd for some reason

I have been getting the same items several times even up against the same items.

and several crashes :(

Dark Archive Star Voter Season 9

Can you tell us when the first cull will be? Perhaps Thursday or Friday?

Marathon Voter Season 9

It would be helpful to know when a cull has taken place, at least.

Scarab Sages Developer

All items that weren't DQ'd were part of the pool immediately, Keep in mind that a random system means you'll see many things 2, 3, 4, or more times before you see everything once.

We're still weighing the volume of judging before we make a final call on when the first cull will be, but I'll keep folks posted.

Liberty's Edge Star Voter Season 9

So some items will get voted on 4 or more times before some Items might even get voted on Once?

Is there a way fair way to tell if an Item received the same % of Votes ..or will items seen more than others have a better chance of Winning this round...

Does not seem very fair to have randomization controlling Votes..

Marathon Voter Season 9

An elegant solution would be to count total up and down votes for each item and make culls representational to volume of down votes, not just up votes so that items that have not been viewed often don't get removed prematurely.

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JPSTOD wrote:

So some items will get voted on 4 or more times before some Items might even get voted on Once?

Is there a way fair way to tell if an Item received the same % of Votes ..or will items seen more than others have a better chance of Winning this round...

Does not seem very fair to have randomization controlling Votes..

Semi-random would be more accurate. Anything that is good and gets more up-votes gets less voting time than everything else. They don't need more exposure to move on, so the don't get the extras. The middle and bottom require what you are talking about: lots of votes and exposure. So they get that. It's designed to be fair and avoid vote stacking.

No one knows what they are going to be voting on, so getting a large group of people together to up vote something they want to win won't fly.

Marathon Voter Season 9

Also, I believe that the votes will not start repeating items until every item has received at least one vote.


There are algorithms in place determining what items get shown to voters. Those with less votes are more likely to be shown. It's not completely random; there is a theory behind it, though I'm not versed enough in mathematics to fully explain it. Among other things, it keeps items from being unfairly pushed up or down in the rankings by large groups of people voting a particular item up or down on purpose, thus making it a popularity contest rather than a judgement on the quality of the items themselves.

Liberty's Edge Star Voter Season 9

Yea ... Okay

Randomization and Math... Still not a great way to run a Contest.

Oh Items have been Repeating...I have seen same item 7 times already...

Amazing How Something can be consider better than the rest when Not everyone has seen everything...
if Item 1 is seen 1000 times and it gets 20% up and Item 2 gets seen 100 Times and Gets 20% of Votes they are Equal in % but 20% of 1000 will always Equal greater than 20% of 100... Yepppp sounds Fair

Star Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 9

The algorithm works to keep total votes on an item relatively even, but does not attempt to make any one voter's views even on an item. So while you're voting on Random Sword of UberMunchkinism five times and not seeing Random Armor of UberBalance, another voter is seeing Random Armor of UberBalance time and again, not seeing Random Sword of UberMunchkinism.

Marathon Voter Season 9

JPSTOD wrote:


Oh Items have been Repeating...I have seen same item 7 times already...

Which means that every other item has received at least one vote.

Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9

Are the items paired always of roughly equal "quality," as determined by the votes so far?

Star Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 9

Joey Haeck wrote:
Are the items paired always of roughly equal "quality," as determined by the votes so far?

I have no idea. I read through the white paper that explained the general method, but got lost halfway through it. (If anyone has a link to it, I would love to get that again. I think it was referenced here for the 2013 contest, but I am too busy/lazy to search for it.) Due to the number of close calls I'm receiving, I would not be surprised if that is the case.

Marathon Voter Season 9

Haha, I love this item. It's so dumb, yet so kickass.

Marathon Voter Season 9

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By the way, here's a tip: If you vote too quickly and realize afterwards you wanted to copy the item, go up to File and check "Work Offline" momentarily. You can then go Back and grab it. Just remember to uncheck "Work Offline" afterwards so you can return to voting!

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Star Voter Season 6

Geez, first pair and both were items that should be DQ'd. A ring vs. a rod.


Charlie Bell wrote:
Geez, first pair and both were items that should be DQ'd. A ring vs. a rod.

The first pair is from last year. Voting on them clears the queue and loads up the new season's items.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 , Star Voter Season 6

...now I feel dumb.


Charlie Bell wrote:
...now I feel dumb.

Don't. I forgot about it doing that myself until someone reminded me.

Sczarni RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Champion Voter Season 6, Champion Voter Season 7, Champion Voter Season 8, Champion Voter Season 9

Same thing happened the last 2 voting times...

Star Voter Season 9

Any word on getting that grid downloaded for Round 2? It was hoped it would occur before the end of this week and... well.. it's Friday :)

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