
ProfessorCirno |

Erik Mona wrote:That only shows just how bad a grasp most SF fans have of science, or of fantasy. There are distinctions between the two even if science fiction is descended from fantasy.ProfessorCirno wrote:Vancian wizards are more science-y then any other character. They sit in laboratories testing out new functions and formula and make use of advanced combinations of various items together. They aren't just point and thrusting their will on reality.
Plus you know, Jack Vance as a sci-fi writer.
Indeed, a lot of people would tell you that his Dying Earth series, upon which the magic system of D&D (and thus Pathfinder) is based, is science fiction and not fantasy at all.
Not really.
Read some (admittingly p. bad) 70's fiction. Sci-fi and fantasy was more or less chocolate and peanut butter, getting merged and mixed together all over the place. As I recall, it was actually all put under the label of Sci-Fi, as "fantasy" hadn't yet come into it's own genre yet.

Vigil RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16 |

We may already have seen the Cloistered Cleric archetype. From the RPG Superstar 2011 round 2 rules:
Cloistered Cleric (Cleric)
A cloistered cleric typically lives in a temple and rarely interacts with the outside world. They are bookish and well-learned in the lore of the faith, paying less attention to its magical and martial aspects.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Cloistered clerics are proficient with light armor and with the following weapons: club, heavy mace, light mace, quarterstaff, and sling. They are not proficient in shields.
Skill Ranks per Level: 4 + Int modifier.
Breadth of Knowledge: A cloistered cleric gains a bonus to Knowledge skills equal to half her class level (minimum +1) and can make Knowledge skill checks untrained. This ability replaces channel energy.
Brewmaster (Ex): At 3rd level, a cloistered cleric gains a +2 bonus on Craft (brewing) checks.
Fish Friar (Ex): At 5th level, a cloistered cleric gains a +2 bonus on Profession (cook) checks when preparing fish.
Chip Monk (Ex): At 7th level, a cloistered cleric gains a +2 bonus on Profession (cook) checks when preparing potatoes.
Wander the Countryside (Ex): At 9th level, a cloistered cleric gains a +20 enhancement bonus to her land movement speed.

Sayer_of_Nay |

We may already have seen the Cloistered Cleric archetype. From the RPG Superstar 2011 round 2 rules:
Cloistered Cleric (Cleric)
A cloistered cleric typically lives in a temple and rarely interacts with the outside world. They are bookish and well-learned in the lore of the faith, paying less attention to its magical and martial aspects.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Cloistered clerics are proficient with light armor and with the following weapons: club, heavy mace, light mace, quarterstaff, and sling. They are not proficient in shields.
Skill Ranks per Level: 4 + Int modifier.
Breadth of Knowledge: A cloistered cleric gains a bonus to Knowledge skills equal to half her class level (minimum +1) and can make Knowledge skill checks untrained. This ability replaces channel energy.
Brewmaster (Ex): At 3rd level, a cloistered cleric gains a +2 bonus on Craft (brewing) checks.
Fish Friar (Ex): At 5th level, a cloistered cleric gains a +2 bonus on Profession (cook) checks when preparing fish.
Chip Monk (Ex): At 7th level, a cloistered cleric gains a +2 bonus on Profession (cook) checks when preparing potatoes.
Wander the Countryside (Ex): At 9th level, a cloistered cleric gains a +20 enhancement bonus to her land movement speed.
You had me up until I saw the bonuses for cooking fish. I hate fish!! >_<

Sean K Reynolds Contributor |

Brewmaster, Fish friar, Chip monk...Nice.
It's from a joke my high school math teacher used to tell:
One day while driving home from his fishing trip in the pouring rain, a man got a flat tire outside of a monastery. A monk came out and invited the man inside to have dinner and to spend the night. The stranded motorist gladly accepted the monk's offer.
That evening the man had a wonderful dinner of fish and chips. He decided to compliment the chef.
Entering the kitchen, the man asked the cook, "Are you the fish friar?" "No," the chef replied, "I'm the chip monk."

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What are the chances of stealing back some of the Inquisitor and Oracle Archtypes to the Cleric? Otherwise looks nice.
I agree. Exorcist, Preacher, and Heretic all seem like they would be better Cleric archtypes.
But is is easier to make archtypes for the Inquisitors, who have more features to swap.

Eric Hinkle |

I have a question about the "Torturous Transformation" bit with the vivisectionist.
The part I'm wondering about says:
Torturous Transformation: At 9th level, a vivisectionist adds awaken and baleful polymorph to his formula book as 3rd-level extracts. When he uses the awaken and baleful polymorph extract, he injects it into the target (not a plant) as part of a 24-hour surgical procedure.
Does that mean that when the vivisectionist uses awaken in his 'procedure', that he has to use baleful polymorph on the same subject as well? Or can he use them separately?
It sounds like something I remember from the 70's movie version of "The Island of Dr. Moreau" in which Prendick is getting mutated by the doctor, and is becoming animalistic but retains his human intelligence.

Kaiyanwang |

Sean K Reynolds Contributor |

Does that mean that when the vivisectionist uses awaken in his 'procedure', that he has to use baleful polymorph on the same subject as well? Or can he use them separately?
He can use them separately.
It sounds like something I remember from the 70's movie version of "The Island of Dr. Moreau" in which Prendick is getting mutated by the doctor, and is becoming animalistic but retains his human intelligence.
Good. :)