Overlord Re-make... This is our story! (Inactive)

Game Master BloodWolven

With the Racial Hit Dice the cave troll should be able to take 5 levels of two classes. I need to go double check all the other players to make sure we have the same formulas.

The Green Warden is... wow... Yes you could drop 1 HD to gain the template but then you would have to drop gestalt.

Cave Troll: 4d8 HD, 5 levels/gestalt
Sublime (2) Half dragon (2) +7 levels in one class
Cerebric fungus 4d8 HD, 5 levels/gestalt
Half Janni (2) Half Celestial (2) 7 levels Aeormancer

Dom and Kerwynn will have a total of 6 HD and the two templates.
Cave Troll and Cerebric fungus start with 4 HD and gain 2 levels of gestalt: totaling 6 HD.

I am just spitballing here and trying to make things leveled.

We could also do:
Dom and Kerwynn will have a total of 7 HD and the two templates.
Cave Troll and Cerebric fungus start with 4 HD and gain 3 levels of gestalt: totaling 7 HD.

Truly everyone should have the same HD. You are sacrificing a template so you can gestalt. What do you guys think? Am I over thinking it?

The goal was to have level 5 gestalt characters with a template.
Which developed into the option of a level 5 character with two templates.
Somehow you thought 4 Racial HD and 5 levels of gestalt is somewhere near the original intent?

To be fair, we did ask for clarification and the answer was a little on the vague side.

After a few things started going up, I built to that.

But let's move on with what we have. I'm thinking 2 racial HD, Green Warden, and 5 class levels. 7hd, roughly CR 8.

revised hit points (I'm not sure what mix of classes I'm going to do)
4d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 5, 5) = 16
6d8 ⇒ (4, 3, 8, 1, 8, 6) = 30

I don't think my previous messages were very clear.

I thought we were aiming for 5 HD, not seven and so I thought the 4 racial levels and then just 1st level in a single class or gestalt. So the overall would be effectively 5 HD when added together based on the original post. I did not intend the character to be effectively 9 HD. Sorry if that was unclear. I will aim for 7 HD then and should have it posted this morning.

Hmm,

I am progressively getting confused.

What is the total CR equivalent we are building towards?

For Mrs. HR Lady,
Total of 7 hit dice means Succubus with no hero levels, Alu with one hero level or I guess thiefling with Half Succubus template (+2CR) and 5 hero levels.

I think it best if we can decide on whether we shall build by HD or not as different monster/templates/classes will give different HD.

you might end up with a 4 racial HD + 2 Template HD + One Gestalt class 1 HD.
This example will make it a 7 HD char.

I think that's what everybody else is confused about.

How monstrous are we gonna be? The one is this particular isekai anime we are referring too....
all of them are monstrous NPCs.

I'll pause creation until we get to some common ground cause I had this strange idea of a magical antipaladin undead humanoid gestalt. Who's only grievance is because he failed to scare someone and died to the fearless one.

Has a soft spot for pets.

Based on what characters we've seen, here's what I suggest for the rules

7 hit dice. You can have two of the following: (monster hd, template (1-2 cr), gestalt levels)

If that is the case, then you could go with:

* A normal race, two templates, 7 levels of a single class
* Monster with X HD, no templates, (7-x) levels of gestalt
* Monster with X HD, one template, (7-x) levels a single class

It would technically allow the following options, but those might be questionable:

* A normal race, one template, 7 levels of gestalt
* Monster with 7 HD, one template, no class

We're not really going by CR. There's no official mod for gestalt, and monster CR can be higher or lower than HD. It's a mess. It'll end up between 7 and 11 by the calculations, but that doesn't take synergies into consideration.

I think we might want to compare AC, saves, spell DC's and attacks. If any of us are too off the average, it'll make challenging the party tough.

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Okay, I decided to go with 2 racial HD, no template and 5 gestalt levels. While the template is really cool, the flexibility is better in the long run. What put this over the edge is that I can prepare the condition removal spells like remove blindness or remove curse when needed.

With the suggested limits above: here's Bob.

You might have to define what's a normal race....

Or did you meant races for meant for normal PCs such as Assiamr, Ifirt.

My idea was going to be an undead centaur lol.
Undead knight who's already mounted.

I think Bob may have exceeded the 7 HD limit.
Cerebric Fungus racial HD is 4d8.
adding in the gestalt 5 would be 9HD?

Racial HD: 3d8 ⇒ (1, 6, 4) = 11

Class HD: 3d12 ⇒ (12, 1, 8) = 21

You might have to define what's a normal race....

Or did you meant races for meant for normal PCs such as Assiamr, Ifirt.

I meant normal PC races.

My idea was going to be an undead centaur lol.
Undead knight who's already mounted.

I think Bob may have exceeded the 7 HD limit.
Cerebric Fungus racial HD is 4d8.
adding in the gestalt 5 would be 9HD?

I reduced the racial HD from 4 to 2. I suspect that we'll need some of the 3rd level condition removal spells, so I need 5 class levels.

Meaning you reduced only the HD and not the saves, bab or other abilities?

Just checking first before I start on mine.

Based on what characters we've seen, here's what I suggest for the rules

7 hit dice. You can have two of the following: (monster hd, template (1-2 cr), gestalt levels)

If that is the case, then you could go with:

* A normal race, two templates, 7 levels of a single class
* Monster with X HD, no templates, (7-x) levels of gestalt
* Monster with X HD, one template, (7-x) levels a single class

It would technically allow the following options, but those might be questionable:

* A normal race, one template, 7 levels of gestalt
* Monster with 7 HD, one template, no class

We're not really going by CR. There's no official mod for gestalt, and monster CR can be higher or lower than HD. It's a mess. It'll end up between 7 and 11 by the calculations, but that doesn't take synergies into consideration.

I think we might want to compare AC, saves, spell DC's and attacks. If any of us are too off the average, it'll make challenging the party tough.

I think Philo made it clear and if no complaints with it that is what we will do. I was struggling with how to word it. Thank you Philo and everyone for working with me.

Yes normal PC races, so 12 race points at the most. Most of them are 10 Race points.

Nightdeath, if you reduce the racial HD it also lowers the given BAB and saves and skills. You also may lose other things as well like given Natural armor, less spells and such.

Centaurs have 29 RP so that is equivalent to a template and a base race. Add the undead template... which template were you going to use? Then 7 levels of a single class.
(I think this is your best option.)

Or go with the 4 HD build. Add the undead template... Then add 3 levels of a single class.

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I know clear as mud, but that happens when we throw in so many factors. Just be open and let's see what works! :D

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Some of these are automatic through hero lab. But I've fixed the others.

Mightypions submission here:

Settling on the HR Lady.

Normal Demon Spawn Thiefling
Half Succubus Template
7 Gestalt hero levels.

This character would do what I want it to do, buff the party and have some interesting combat options on top of that.

Ranged combat: Hits vs Touch AC, with Firearm damage and CHA to damage (but limited resource on that).

Melee: Rifle has a Bayonet, can probably figure out a cheap way to make it count as light (just add agile I guess, wont add dex to damage on the rangd attacks of course, but makes it a melee option and I wont have to enchant 2 different items). Bayonet attacks should still count as firearm attacks if I use grit, so they hit okish hard. Also have 2 claws and a bite from template.

EITR I think so I pick up Weapon Finesse and Agile Maneuvers for free, which makes her a capable grappler by just investing one feat (improved grapple).

Its an Urban Skald, So most likely Spirit totem for My CHA negative energy blasts on everyone, as well as +2 morale to dex, and other goodies.

She starts at 31 AC being completely naked with no gear or spells up, but has access to shield, mage armor and will clock in a 40ish AC after buffs and gear.

Party building: Ideally you are not immune to morale boni.
Urban Skald does not interfere with anything spellcasting wise.

Skills: Huge skill list, depending on party needs I can probably get 16 int if needed. Is full leveled Skald.

Spell list: Will be mostly supportive, quite flexible due to Spell kenning.

I see Mighty Pion/Lady Ekatrina found another option which works.
A normal race, one template, and 7 levels of gestalt.

So far we have:
Lady Ekatrina, HR succubi.

Dominique Silverstone (Changing last name I think since I was a silver dragon then thought a red dragon was more apt, ideas?) Scaled fist/Tyrant antipaladin half dragon sublime human.

Bob, Cerebric fungus vitalist 5/shaman 5/gestalt 5.

Absent Demon Lord...Domayoku

Centaurs undead template... which template were you going to use? Then 7 levels of a single class.

Kerwynn Half-Celestial Half-Janni Human Aeromancer 7

Kazko (Jean here) is set. He is set up to be a tanky character who can deal with traps.

I plan to do the full write up. So far the only thing added in is the ring. The rest will still need to be added in.

I do think we need to check numbers and set benchmark ranges.

I have a 24 AC, and if the HR lady has 40, that means any monster that challenges her will never miss me. Anything that I can deal with, she'll pretty much ignore.

Same thing if there are differences with saves or attacks.

I know one way this happens is when characters work to get lots of things connected to one stat and crank it to the roof.

The only time this works is when there are obviously first tier and second tier bad guys. (obvious as in explicitly labelled) Bad guys ignore people out of their tier and the characters need to do this too. I've only played this on a superhero game where there's a bit of genre convention for it. I'm not sure if it would work for a D&D-esque game.

experimenting: 2d10 ⇒ (9, 1) = 10
reroll: 1d10 ⇒ 7

I was thinking Graveknight template in order to meet the limits. Doesn't give any extra HD.

Centaur will break it so it's out.

Revised my char.
Elf Graveguard template gestalt AntiPaladin/Magus (Armored Battle Mage).

Literally a very cheap version of a lich but based on his armor.
Living steel Elven armor.

And I'm.........the.........wait for it................

Chef.

Since I was below the curve on AC, I've brought it up some by adding a couple of levels of monk. I still think we need to monitor it and the other stats, though.

The HR lady has an AC of 31. I am not sure she can get much higher. Kazko has a 30, but can buff it to be in the mid-30s at least. So far it looks like we all hanging around 30 normally though.

I will say that Bob does not seem like he wants to be the front line. If your a primary spellcaster whose AC is less then those in the front its pretty common.

Still here, guys. Just had to work today on my day off, so Domayoku's completion is delayed.

Ok boys pop into discussion and reintroduce yourselves to the fellow guildies.

The HR lady has an AC of 31. I am not sure she can get much higher. Kazko has a 30, but can buff it to be in the mid-30s at least. So far it looks like we all hanging around 30 normally though.

She starts at 31 AC being completely naked with no gear or spells up, but has access to shield, mage armor and will clock in a 40ish AC after buffs and gear.

I will say that Bob does not seem like he wants to be the front line. If your a primary spellcaster whose AC is less then those in the front its pretty common.

True, but a difference of 16 is bit much. Looking around, we have a couple of people where the highest will save is more than 20 over the lowest. When that happens, you either auto-fail against one person or auto-succeed against another. By listing these out, we can check where the issues are before people finalize their characters.

I am thinking of dropping antipaladin which would drop all of my saves by 13. Go strictly with scaled fist.

AC 37, touch 29, flat-footed 29 (+4 mage armor, +4 shield, +7 Dex, +1 Dodge, +12 Cha)

Fort +25, 3, +3, +7, +12
Ref +22, 3, +0, +7, +12
Will +30, 3, +3, +12, +12

Well we could always use the standard rules of gestalt, you only get two classes. You can't dip into different classes other than prestige classes.

Well we could always use the standard rules of gestalt, you only get two classes. You can't dip into different classes other than prestige classes.

I've never heard of that before. It wasn't part of the original. And doing this would send me back to the issue of having a much lower AC than the rest of the group.

Paladins/AntiPaladins often have massively higher saves then other characters and better ACs. Especially if they have an insane charisma. And Bob was only 6 below HR, not 16 on AC. The Highest AC at this point is Silverstone, although if I buff I can get to 38 for a short time.

I am not personally a huge fan of Anti-Paladins, but you should play what will be fun as much as possible and Pathfinder is only so balanced to begin with.

Not to mention the basis for this one throws a lot of that balance out the window.

I will say that Silverstone having the highest AC and insanely good saves does make him super hard to hurt. But Silverstone will probably be less good at other things as well. There are challenges that will still hurt him. Not everyone needs to fit in a range in all of the categories. Now if every challenge is always built to just challenge the toughest character then we might be in trouble. But that is very unlikely to occur if the GM is gauging the group well.

I am not sure we need to be worrying heavily about this until it actually starts damaging the fun in the game.

The Aerial Half-Celestial Arcanist is possibly even cooler than being a Bralani; a little more humanocentric, but he's VERY outsider-ish.

Wow - might almost be time to resurrect Jacen ...
What did we say was the build limit? 7HD? 9?

The Aerial Half-Celestial Arcanist is possibly even cooler than being a Bralani; a little more humanocentric, but he's VERY outsider-ish.

Wow - might almost be time to resurrect Jacen ...
What did we say was the build limit? 7HD? 9?

We're using the below provided by one of the players.

Based on what characters we've seen, here's what I suggest for the rules

7 hit dice. You can have two of the following: (monster hd, template (1-2 cr), gestalt levels)

If that is the case, then you could go with:

* A normal race, two templates, 7 levels of a single class
* Monster with X HD, no templates, (7-x) levels of gestalt
* Monster with X HD, one template, (7-x) levels a single class

It would technically allow the following options, but those might be questionable:

* A normal race, one template, 7 levels of gestalt
* Monster with 7 HD, one template, no class

We're not really going by CR. There's no official mod for gestalt, and monster CR can be higher or lower than HD. It's a mess. It'll end up between 7 and 11 by the calculations, but that doesn't take synergies into consideration.

I think we might want to compare AC, saves, spell DC's and attacks. If any of us are too off the average, it'll make challenging the party tough.

6d10 ⇒ (9, 10, 10, 5, 6, 7) = 47

GM Wolf wrote:

Well we could always use the standard rules of gestalt, you only get two classes. You can't dip into different classes other than prestige classes.

I've never heard of that before. It wasn't part of the original. And doing this would send me back to the issue of having a much lower AC than the rest of the group.

It was merely a thought, don't worry about it.

For reference: Base stats (including a +4 CHA headband) after I did not double dip for oracle:

Fort: 8
Ref:9
Will:6 or 16 (vs charm and compulsion, it does imho make sense for a half Succubus to be highly resistant to her own game so to speak)

AC: 10 (base) +1 (Nat armor from template) + 10 (CHA to AC from scaled fist) + 4 (Dex) +1(dodge) = 26
Flat footed=21
Touch=25

Facotring in equipment (she cannot wear armor), I think its reasonable to add 2-3 to most values.

What I am a bit more worried about is her offensive output:

Full attack, just buffed by +Dex Rage and a +2 dex belt is:
d20+7 (BAB) +6 (Dex) + 1 (enchantment) - 2 (two weapon fighting) -2 (rapid shot) -2 (deadly aim) +1 (point blank range)=d20+9/d20+4 on the secondary.
For a fairly sizeable
d8 (base) + 10 (cha to damage) + 4 (deadly aim) + 1 (enchancement) + some type of elemantal D6 +1 (point blank range)=average of 23 per hit damage. As she does have 6 attacks, and hits vs touch, expected damage per round would be about 5.5 hits or roughly 120ish damage per round.
If she does not use Grit, its still 65ish damage, nothing too shabby.

She rapid shots dual wielding revolvers, meaning her full attack is:

These dice are projected to increase in the following way:
--Level 8 (Urban Skald 8 gives an extra +2 Dex, ability increase for 1 more cha, next tier of deadly aim) +1 to hit, +3 damage, expected damage per turn increases to 135ish
--Level 9 (Urban Skald 9 gives an extra feat, likely supersition via extra rage power feat, and an extra rage power, likely witch hunter, for an extra +3 damage per shot vs anything that can use magic, expected damage per turn increases to 150ish.

I am shooting money (15 per shot, each full round costs me 100 gold basically) and using Grit on these, but these are serious numbers. I do not have Clustered shots yet so DR will work really well(will pick this up at level 9, if I dont go for superstition, or at level 10 via mysterious stranger 8 bonus combat feat).

Also: HP dice:
HP dice: 6d10 ⇒ (10, 9, 2, 8, 7, 9) = 45

I must confess that my DCs also concern me.
Half Succubus gets charm monster 3 times per day, unless I am wrong the DC for that is 23 (10 + spell level + Casting modifier, in my case charisma).

Even lowly command spells are DC21.

What I am a bit more worried about is her offensive output:

Uh I haven't even looked into my combat yet, though it looks like HR lady will be putting out the most damage by far!

I can pretty easily nerf it by not going dual wielding pistols, which will reduce things by 40% or so.
Dual wielding Pistols is strong because I apply my CHA to damage on each shot essentially.

I must confess that my DCs also concern me.

Half Succubus gets charm monster 3 times per day, unless I am wrong the DC for that is 23 (10 + spell level + Casting modifier, in my case charisma).

Even lowly command spells are DC21.

My DC's are in the 19-22 range. Of course, this is off two different stats. They are only a little less than yours, so it shouldn't be a problem. Let's see what other people have.

As for damage dealt, I'm normally doing a flat 14 on a +11 touch attack. This is untyped supernatural damage, so bypasses DR, SR and energy resistance.

I think your attacks are probably on the high side.

How is it untyped supernatural damage?!

How is it untyped supernatural damage?!

Because it comes from a supernatural ability and there is no damage type listed. Steal Health. Paizo has explicitly stated that magical damage without a type does not trigger DR. FAQ

It is limited in that it has to come from creatures with a constitution score - i.e. living beings. I'm going to suck against undead and suck even harder against constructs.

The idea is that I'm siphoning their life force directly and redirecting it. Stoneskin isn't going to stop that.

I'm not familiar with the source series, but on a quick look it seems interesting. Perhaps I'll go see if I have it available on any of my streaming services and watch an episode or two to see if it would be something I'd be into.

I'm not familiar with the source series, but on a quick look it seems interesting. Perhaps I'll go see if I have it available on any of my streaming services and watch an episode or two to see if it would be something I'd be into.

Season 1 is on Hulu. I believe the rest are on whatever they call the unholy amalgamation of funimation and crunchyroll ends up as.

GM Wolf wrote:

How is it untyped supernatural damage?!

Because it comes from a supernatural ability and there is no damage type listed. Steal Health. Paizo has explicitly stated that magical damage without a type does not trigger DR. FAQ

It is limited in that it has to come from creatures with a constitution score - i.e. living beings. I'm going to suck against undead and suck even harder against constructs.

The idea is that I'm siphoning their life force directly and redirecting it. Stoneskin isn't going to stop that.

Oh okay! Right right! True true. It's just a bit weird compared to all the other attacks.

No problem. I'm more than happy to share the stuff about my character and answer your concerns.

Found the first few episodes, and so far I'm hooked. Curious to know if he finds anyone else from the game...

Let's see what I can do.

5d6 ⇒ (1, 5, 3, 6, 1) = 16 = 15
5d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 6, 2, 4) = 19 = 17
5d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 1, 6, 6) = 25 = 24
5d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 4, 5, 2) = 21 = 19
5d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 6, 3, 1) = 18 = 17
5d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 5, 3, 5) = 21 = 19

Maybe something that builds around a single stat, since I have such a good one, but then, my 'dump' stat would be a 15, so a little MAD shouldn't hurt too much.

Thanks Philo!!!

Yeah anyone that is into anime a bit and then introduce them to Overlord gets hooked easily.

Rigor, you are more than welcome to make any character. If possible have at least a concept for him in the next two hours or you will not be starting with the rest of the group.

Anyone interested in an Overlord type game?!