OK - Equipment costs.
Looking over the charts, I don't think I can make a hard or fast rule, so don't assume on prices of things. However, here is my general guidline:
Think of gold and dollars as roughly equivalent. All nations have some sort of paper currency, but for sake of simplicity, we will just use dollars/gold coins.
Modern firearms and alchemical items are now 1/10th listed price. So a gun listed as 400 gp is now $40. A 1500 gp machine gun will cost you $150. Ammo is also 1/10. (no one took gunslinger as a class).
Some Archaic weapons have modernized. Ranged weapons (bow, crossbow, dartgun, sling) are all available for the listed price. A 50 gp crossbow will run you $50. Blades of the less exotic varieties are also available as listed: $2 dagger, $8 short sword.
Archaic weapons that are less common and cost 10x listed price. If you really want a flail, $80. A halberd will run $100.
Armor is also 10x the listed cost. Really, I don't expect anyone to be using it, as you are in the desert and not soldiers. If one of you wants to really tough it out in hardened leathers or bulky padded armor, you can - but people will point and laugh. Even a shield would be very out of place.
Other mundane stuff (camping equipment, etc. can be had for prices as listed, but ask if something seems out of norm because we can adjust).
Some good news - everyone starts with $150 cash, and an allowance of $350 for equipment. I see no reason to stick with class norms here. You can spend all $500 on equipment if you choose, but I hope you keep the $150 in cash to have some money in your pockets to start.
I believe this should allow all of you plenty of freedom to equip as you like. Also, if you want to take traits such as Rich Parents, you can - it may help you in other ways in the future. But you don't need to just to afford a gun.
Here is what I am seeing - please correct me if I am wrong. For those who haven't, please setup your profile for easy access to you character. (you did all manage to use COMPLETELY different formats!)
Lucian Brachtarna, the Adventurer, played by Robert Henry. Worldly, well traveled, partially educated (formally), family resources.
Olivia Harding, the Librarian, played by Bender is Great (aka Captain Generica). A charmer, and well connected, coming from family money and growing bored with her life cooped up in a library, reading about other people’s stories.
Lucas “CardShark” NoLastName, the Equipment Manager played by Chillblame. The man to know if you need something sneaky or underhanded done. Quick with his hands and always ready to pour on the charm, as both have saved his skin more than once. Drawback: Paranoid
Edgar Vrinn, the Muscle, played by BelacRLJ. Likes to play with knives, kukri, and tries to be very intimidating. Drawback: Secret Shame: -1 on saves vs fear, DC to intimidate is -1
Brannin Dowtry, the Sixth Wheel, played by Grumbaki. Crotchety old veteran who brews his own cocktails. Lost an arm in the war, and much of his hearing. Army doctors gave him a constructed replacement that the man takes to tinkering with a lot. Drawback Hard of Hearing (-4 Perception to hearing and can't take 10) Notes: 15 pt build??
I also saw interest from Simeon and Zwordsman for a Sallah like character but haven't seen anything recent. I will reach out to them.
Very cool opening! Thanks for the heads up GM Fuzzfoot
I'd say you have Lucian spot on. I was planning on finishing his gear, backstory, personality and appearance Monday morning.
Even with the change in prices I will probably keep Rich parents and overprotective. I think it plays well into his background and will add a couple of paragraphs explaining why.
I was planning on him wearing a double breasted leather vest, would it give any armor bonus?
Cardshark took the archetype 'gun smuggler' it gives the feat gunsmithing at first level. Can he provide bullets for us?
Just got a PM reminding me that this was starting. I’m here, with crunch all made up, except for the new rules on starting cash. Think he will have just pistol and fist, using his constructed arm to steady the pistol when shooting and punching people who get too close. Maybe a few grenades. But for the most part it doesn’t make sense to stroll around with anything heavier. That would probably raise too many eyebrows.
“ Golarion changed forever. A nearby star exploded, causing a major ice age. Most races either perished, or migrated deep underground or found other planets to escape to.”
The Quest for Sky becomes the Quest for Stone? And the elves buggered off again? A good rationale for the setting. One can only imagine the horrors that will come when humanity rediscovers the dark lands!
The Quest for Sky becomes the Quest for Stone? And the elves buggered off again? A good rationale for the setting. One can only imagine the horrors that will come when humanity rediscovers the dark lands.
It will be ok, we'll have nuclear weapons by then...
Would other manufactured items be one tenth as well, specifically: compass at 10 gp. and pocket watch at 250 gp.?
The Quest for Sky becomes the Quest for Stone? And the elves buggered off again? A good rationale for the setting. One can only imagine the horrors that will come when humanity rediscovers the dark lands.It will be ok, we'll have nuclear weapons by then...
Actually got me thinking. He probably end up like the Cyclops Empire. Slaughtered the snake men they ran into, but brought back worship of demons. Ended up collapsing their civilization from within. Lost everything because they won the war. :p
Anyways, good question on gear. Could see plenty of good equipment to have aside from military gear.
Gunsmithing will allow you to make ammunition.
So finishing up the purchase list. Would a pocket watch be full price at 250 gp. Or would it be 1/10th the price as well, being a mass produced manufactured item and all.
BTW, my character's full name is Lucas "Cardshark" Belltower. :)
And Cardshark will be happy to sell you his discount ammunition. With free sample.
:D
I will finish up my equipment and, and put up my profile. backstory tonight (early afternoon here) and put up my profile
Just thought of another fictional character I could be like, a bit
Milo Minderbinder from catch 22
hmm, the invasion is not as far back as I thought. Revision time
Pocketwatch is one of those things that you could probably get for anywhere between $5 and $1000 depending on quality- but yes, much cheaper than listed is possible.
Magnifying glasses as well for much less than even 10%.
Sorry I haven't posted yet, I got distracted this morning and have been fleshing out Lucian a little bit this afternoon. He left the college in Almas in 5419 at the age of twenty. Has been on his own since. Spending most of his time in Osirion visiting his grandparents occasionally. Lucian has worked on and off as a guide for archeologists, tourists and possibly smugglers. What city are we meeting in (I probably can pull up the 'adventure path guide and sort that out)
Would he have met any of the other characters or are we just now running into each other?
I have placed myself in the bar Olivia referenced in her original posting, which can be located anywhere in the boondocks of Osirion as appropriate.
I was looking at the modern firearm chart, and it has pistols and rifles having the same range. What?? Do bows have a better range than ww2 rifles? weird.
Also, if armour is discouraged, what do we have to replace it? Combat could become rather nasty
Also, I have created the gaemplay thread with some history. Continue to post questions here. Once I have reviewed your character and given it the "ok", then you can post in character in Gameplay.
I wasn't sure if your following post was "giving us the ok" or not, so I was still waiting for the 'go ahead'.
I've got Lucians fluff and crunch finalized and was looking at the AP's players guide. As well as reading everyone's posts and any provided background.
So May I assume we are starting in Wati and that someone has 'opened' the necropolis to either specific groups or whomever gets there first?
Also do any of us know each other? Obviously we can meet in a bar that is frequented by foreigners. Or have we worked together? Lucian has been in Osirion over two years working as a guide, mostly out of the captal, Sothis. But he would be familiar Wati. I could easily see him knowing Cardsharp, since Lucian has worked with smugglers.
I would still like for Lucian to have met Olivia in a bar, punching Chelaxians making fun of her. Now whether that happened previously in Sothis and they worked together before. Or whether that happened 'now' in Wati, (or wherever were starting us out at.) Would certainly be up for discussion.
BelcRLJ are you posting as Edgar or BelakRLJ? It's confusing. It may help if you give your Alias an image. Anyway, how did Edgar get back to civilization from the burned out trucks? I'm happy to have had Lucian in transit and play good Samaritan and give him a ride back to (wherever the bar is) Wati?
Edgar walked much of the way--it wouldn't have been 60 miles to the nearest town, just 60 miles from where he'd picked up that job. It could definitely work to have Lucian pick him up part of the way, though.
Perhaps we can share the fight with the Chelaxians--Lucian could have started fighting, did well but eventually got overwhelmed by numbers, and Edgar stepped in to return the favor for having rescued him those couple months ago. Or vice versa.
I think it is perfectly fine for you to have shared history, but if you prefer not knowing anyone, then you will be recruited shortly.
And yes, I think everyone was close enough to done that you can post in gameplay.
Also, if armour is discouraged, what do we have to replace it? Combat could become rather nasty
Yes, it could get quite nasty indeed. Combat is brutal. Guns generally target touch AC anyway.
OK, I'm assuming Lucian met Oliva and Edgar in a bar fight in Sothis the capital of Osirion. That Olivia had heard about a possible dig in Wati, that started on or about today. And we would meet at the Red Hand Inn (it's actually a tavern in the Midwife District of Wati, near the Grand Mausoleum) Where Edgar is now sitting.
I'm also assuming that Lucian, (having worked with smugglers) knows 'Cardshark' and has a working relationship with him, and will invite him to the meeting.
Does anyone know Brannin, or is it just fortuitous that he is in the 'Red Hand Inn' at this time?
GM Fuzzfoot, so far Lucians vest is just part of his 'adventure gear.' if it will give a armor bonus like a Haramaki or leather armor, let me know and I will add that weight and cost to his sheet.
I had thought we’d met and had the bar fight in Wati, which was the random town Olivia got to via taking a wrong turn as she mentioned in her initial character description. If we’re starting in Sothis then perhaps the bar fight belongs to a prequel/opening sequence.
I had thought we’d met and had the bar fight in Wati, which was the random town Olivia got to via taking a wrong turn as she mentioned in her initial character description. If we’re starting in Sothis then perhaps the bar fight belongs to a prequel/opening sequence.
sorry I didn't see Wati in her original post, and it's now too late for me to go back and change my post.
With characters and ideas changing I didn't assume anything in the recruitment thread was canon, just guidelines. I sort of assumed the fight was a prequel/opening sequence of how we met that happened before 'we got started.' In her post in game she's walking down the street on a beautiful day. I assumed we had already met before today. And being out of town headed hear would tie in with your truck wreck. I also assumed that Wati was our intended destiny due to that's where the AP starts.
Sorry if I screwed anything up, we can retcon as needed. Just wanted my post to tie a few things together.
I had thought we’d met and had the bar fight in Wati, which was the random town Olivia got to via taking a wrong turn as she mentioned in her initial character description.
Hey Edgar, I went back and looked. I didn't see what you were talking about. Were you referring to Captain Generica's post with the 'egg head' 'dude ranch' comments or something else?
Yes, that. That whole thing being shared background.
The idea being that at some point prior to the adventure path starting she had that encounter which was with one or more team members. Then if needed skip ahead/shift location.
Edgar’s gameplay post was supposed to be in the bar where the fight was going to be, because I think that sounds like a fun and in-character way to get people meeting. It could be anywhere relative to the time and location where the AP actually picks up.
So Lucian would know everyone—Edgar from picking him up on the roadside and then the fight, Olivia from the fight, Cardshark and Brannin from wherever. But not necessarily at any specific point in time relative to the game start.
Yes, that. That whole thing being shared background.
The idea being that at some point prior to the adventure path starting she had that encounter which was with one or more team members. Then if needed skip ahead/shift location.
Edgar’s gameplay post was supposed to be in the bar where the fight was going to be, because I think that sounds like a fun and in-character way to get people meeting. It could be anywhere relative to the time and location where the AP actually picks up.
Ok a little confused. I thought the idea is that it was a Shared background not a plot hook that we were going to use in game.
We hadn't talked about it anymore, and neither Olivia or Edgar have any specific background on their page to go off of. The description in recruitment was Olivia playing off my shoanti muscle/brawler idea at the dude ranch in Varisia. But I went with the 'Adventurer from the Katopesh Island instead.
When you asked about keeping the 'fight scene' I thought it was a good idea. Again, assuming it was 'shared background' not something that would happen at the beginning of the AP.
Now if GM Fuzzfoot wants us to brawl with the Chelaxians, or if Edgar wants to start a fight with them obviously Lucian would be in :)
So Lucian would know everyone—Edgar from picking him up on the roadside and then the fight, Olivia from the fight, Cardshark and Brannin from wherever. But not necessarily at any specific point in time relative to the game start.
Because of the Shared background I assumed Lucian knew Edgar and Olivia. The time frame would have been within the last two years. I assumed the 'bar fight' happened here in Osirion not that long ago. I picked Sothis just because it was the capital and not here. Would rather have a 'clean slate' dealing with the local bad guys. But hey, if you want a bar fight :)
I couldn't think of a reason he would know Brannin, I was hoping someone else would have run into him before. Heck, he could be drinking in the same tavern Edgar is. I assumed he was :)
Since Lucian deals in knowledge guiding folks to obscure location, including smugglers I thought it possible he knew Cardshark who worked with the underworld.
Cardshark if that's not ok, I apologize.
I don’t think we’re far off. I picked up the Shoanti idea as my character idea was going to have a Shoanti tie-in. It could be in a totally different part of rural Osirion from where the AP starts—it’s a cool bit of shared background, and could predate the AP by 2 months, 2 years, or anything in between.
That's cool.
(Edgar's post above is from some time - a few months? - ago, and would lead into the bar-fight Olivia mentioned in her original character background. He met Lucian at an earlier point in the flashback, when Lucian gave him a ride back to a town after the desert ambush. This would have been in another part of the boondocks. Since then the two of them have offered him a lifeline in terms of acquaintance and potential work, which is helpful as otherwise he'd still be drinking himself into a slow death in random parts of Osirion. He's glad to be part of the team, especially as he's not entirely convinced the Chelaxian officers he tangled with have really been transferred to the fronts in Avistan. Having an official role is useful protection.)
Don't sweat it Edgar. Let's see what others post, No reason we can meet in the bar your in, If you want to work out the particulars of our back story we can. Let's do that here in discussion or PM's.
So if you fairly new to the PBP here, let me recommend a couple of posts to read.
Advice on playing pbp, largely geared towards this board (by Doomed Hero).
Helpful links. I'm more used to Discord where there's freer editing.
Just tossing ideas out, trying to mesh and build off what other people are saying.
cool, I've got a Background on Lucians page, but it basically stopped when he left college two years ago.
Have you read the 'Mummy's Mask players guide?' You can down load it for free under "My account" "digital Content" It will give you a feel for where were at and the city were in. It's actually the third largest city in Osirion. If you looking for more general information the Pathfinder Wiki provides a lot.
Like I said, if you want to nail down how Lucian, Edgar and Olivia met, we can work that out here. I'm waiting in game for others to post responses before I post again, I don't want to assume too much.
So read the in game post, this is all I could imagine:
lol
Yep, that’s what I picture, although maybe 50 years later!
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[dice=Str]1d20+4Seeing Lucian struggle, Brannin stepped forward. "Mind if I give it a shot? Get ready to push when I give the word." He said. Taking the crowbar, he stepped forward, put it in position and...promptly dropped it. With a slight blush of embarrassment he picked it up and focusing did a much better job at it.
Dude, I didn't even realize Brannin had an 18 strength, I had been following everyone else's build but hadn't checked out yours yet. I was afraid Lucian was going to be the strongest at 14, happy to let you pry open everything :)
Well, I mean whatever Lucian can't disable :)
By the way, I loved Khardon Dourstone's build!
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Thank you! Even if Khardon doesn't get in, it was alot of fun putting it together. :)
And as for strength, the reason why you didn't realize he was Str18 is because in true lower enlisted fashion, he knows how to sham out of doing hard work. Well, until now that is. :P
So do we get the common language free? Would that be "Absalom" That's where his paternal grandfather is from.
Lucian has the Human alt. trait: Wayfarer: Whenever these humans gain a rank in Linguistics, they learn two languages rather than one. This racial trait replaces skilled.
So I assumed Kelshite was his original language and Andoran would be what his mother spoke and he would have learned modern Osirion while in country with her.
First combat and its a Crit :D
First combat and its a Crit :D
Nice shot...
Cardshark
Lucian
Edgar
Brannin
Olivia
Scorpion
So this does cause me to ask questions about combat.
We appear to be doing a form of group combat in the sense that everyone that has a higher init than the creature goes before the creature.
Are we playing whoever posts first that their actions actually go first or will Cardsharks, Lucians and Edgars actions be taken into account before Brannin's awesome shot?
I've seen it done both ways so I thought I would ask.
If you taking opinions, I would rather our actions follow the order of posting instead of init. So the story flows a little easier.
I'm assuming that the shot would kill the scorpion. I like knowing the actual armor and HP of the creature, that way we can post if we hit and or kill it without metagaming. But a lot of GM's assume we would cheat if we had that information.
never mind, your in game post answered the question...
Generally, it depends on how much gets posted before I resolve and if it will make any difference. For instance, if the person winning initiative casts Haste or Inspires, that benefits those after them even if they posted first - UNLESS I have already resolved their actions, because I don't want to retro any more than I have to, but I also don't necessarily want to wait for everyone to post.
IF you post after someone that you should go before, and I haven't yet resolved it, you can tell me that you will either go on your init or delay for the other, which will move your initiative. Although like you say, when you are all moving together, the init values rarely seem to make that much difference. But every now and then, they do. For instance, if someone at the top of the next round posts before someone at the bottom of the previous, I don't let their action necessarily prevent a consequence that they couldn't have helped in a normal table setting - like casting grease to help with an escape roll.
In this case, there was really little need to wait and let others waste resources since Brannin clearly finished the job. And I liked the theatrics of it!
Unless you all plan on keeping score... :) I have one group that does seem to always want to know who got the final blow, although I don't know why - just for fun I think.
Unless you all plan on keeping score... :)
LOL I do have one character that like to brag about drawing first blood. But it's more for fun and that characters personality :)
Interestingly I would play a character that counts kills, but that's not Lucian.
I was just asking for posting rate sake. I'm able to post a lot, but sometimes in combat it does help to wait and see what's happening depending on how the GM plays it. I think doing what's simplest for you and what keeps the game moving is best.
Yeah, that type of cinematic combat response was priceless. It causes me to want to know more about Brannin. In the back of Lucians mind he has to be going, "ok maybe I'm not the fasted draw here."
One of Lucians traits is On Guard... if you are able to act during the surprise round of an encounter, you can draw a weapon ... so he has a chance to be 'quick' with out 'quick draw' yet.
Yah, this looks like it's going to be a fun group.
Hey everyone, I'm really sorry to have dropped off the face of the Earth without any warning! My partner was suddenly put in the ER for the last week, (they're doing much better now) but I was so frazzled between that and finals that I wasn't remembering to eat or sleep, let alone check the forums. I'm back now though, and I'll try to get something up ASAP! Thank you everyone for your patience!
Oh my gosh! I hope they continue to do better, and that you did well on finals.
Glad to hear their doing better, make sure your taking care of yourself. We appreciate the info, but were not going anywhere :)
Hope they get better
Sounds like a rough week. I certainly hope it all looks up from here!
Probably a little late to ask now, but what is our marching order?
hmmmm, were going to need to figure out the map thing.
GM Fuzzfoot, did you end up moving Edgar and Cardshark? They are both positioned in the hallway while Brannin is in the entrance with Olivia.
Actions in the last room: Edgar said he took a weapon off of the wall. Cardshark commented about Lucian swinging a weapon then checked a trunk. Brannin also rolled a perception and was involved with the conversation about the weapons. So My assumption is that all three of them were in the room with Lucian.
I'm not terribly concerned about this combat, but I will be concerned later on. I've played in a game where my Barbarian would 'check rooms' and since no one else moved on the map he was stuck fighting alone for two or three rounds while everyone got caught up. It was not fun.
So, what is the solution Folks? Do we expect the GM to move our icons? Do we want to move the icons ourselves? Do you all want me to keep the group in a 'marching order' and move them all when Lucian moves? Or is there a better idea?
I vote for the GM moving us, with the agreement that there is no complaining about positioning that is suboptimal. It’ll make this flow much better