Of Magic Fangs and cannibals.


Rules Questions


I was looking at the cannibalism subdomain and the granted power "Consume the Enemy" and I was wondering, can you cast Magic Fang on yourself to beef up your chompers? If you met the prereqs, could you take Imp. Natural Attack for your bite? Also, if this ability were used by a Large creature, would the damage be higher? HALP!


I started typing about bite attacks in general and then paused to go look at the cannibalism subdomain to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding. I was.

The power granted by the subdomain is not a bite attack, so it doesn't follow the rules of attack rolls (which includes weapons and weapon damage). As it stands the ability simply deals 1d3 damage to a helpless or freshly killed creature. Since this is not weapon damage, it shouldn't be expected to increase with size or with enhancement bonuses to weapons.

Unfortunately, you'd have to interpret it as something other than "an ability that deals 1d3 damage as a full round action" for your suggestion to work.

...now, the stuff I'd started typing about bite attacks before I stopped to look that up for realz:

Technically speaking this only works if you have a bite attack already.

There are a number of low level spells out there that GRANT bite attacks, as well as a few class abilities. And a few player races (including common races like half-orc) that have options for gaining bite attacks or already have them.

If you wanted to have a hungry hungry hippo of a character.


Thanks, jello! That answered everything pretty thoroughly. :D Although, I do find it odd that the cannibal cleric gets Magic Fang but can't use it on itself. And I think everyone's character should be a hungry hungry hippo.


If your GM is cool with treating it as a bite attack you can do whatever you want with it, because IIRC 1d3 is the damage of a bite attack for a medium creature. However since the ability doesn't specify and just says "you may do this as a full round action to a helpless or dead creature" it probably isn't intended to be treated as a weapon attack. Especially since biting a helpless creature as a full round action would be a coupe de grace and deal 1d3 x2 damage... right? =D

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J-Spee Lovecraft wrote:
I was looking at the cannibalism subdomain and the granted power "Consume the Enemy" and I was wondering, can you cast Magic Fang on yourself to beef up your chompers? If you met the prereqs, could you take Imp. Natural Attack for your bite? Also, if this ability were used by a Large creature, would the damage be higher? HALP!

I think in this case you need to get the help of a shrink....

or be the recipient of a either a lethal physical or Magical attack

after all if you are subject to a fireball the only decision to make is whether you like your meat rare, medium or well done...


themightyjello wrote:
If your GM is cool with treating it as a bite attack you can do whatever you want with it, because IIRC 1d3 is the damage of a bite attack for a medium creature. However since the ability doesn't specify and just says "you may do this as a full round action to a helpless or dead creature" it probably isn't intended to be treated as a weapon attack. Especially since biting a helpless creature as a full round action would be a coupe de grace and deal 1d3 x2 damage... right? =D

You're right! It WOULD be a coupe de grace, so it would get extra damage. I also kinda just saw it as nipping off a finger or toe or something. Nothing vital. But yeah, with a coup de grace, you could rip out someone's jugular! I'm thinking of making a cannibal cleric/master chef character who incapacitates his victims, bites off a chunk to sample their flavor, and then cooks them. I'm envisioning him being a dwarf or a ratfolk for some reason.


A quick search pulls up a few low level cleric spells that grant bite attacks such as Face of the Devouerer (level 1) and Savage Maw (level 2).

Otherwise you can pick up a bite attack as a part of being a half-orc or orc, and use the Enemy's Heart racial spell (it's a variant of death knell) to literally EAT THE HEARTS OF YOUR ENEMIES AND GAIN THEIR POWER.

OM NOM NOM NOM.


PERFECT! Can you cast Face of the Devourer on yourself?


It says "creature touched" so you count because you're a creature (unless you're hiding something from us...).

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