Myths and Legends(Heroes of Golarion)

Game Master Monkeygod

I never got to the end. Our party is still at the beginning of book two.

Checking animated objects... This seems like it would render the ship super fragile and negate the entire Skulls and Shackles Ship building/piloting stuff.

Or you animate a single deck/mast/sails, and when that's destroyed, the ship is no longer able to fly.

Lol- now I can't stop thinking about all the absurd things I could do if I took craft construct and used all million gold on it...

Lol- now I can't stop thinking about all the absurd things I could do if I took craft construct and used all million gold on it...

Hummmmm

I'd like to revisit my opinion on the extra million. :-)

Hmm...

Not sure if spending the extra million on a construct is what I had in mind.

Unless it was wholly non-combative.

None of my ideas involved building a single million gp construct (although that is intriguing)... It was more like fully automated cities, or a traveling carnival with animated marble animals and awakened construct performers...

@thunderbird

The monk might miss out on 3 AC, if they didn't enchant their BoA with any special abilities.

I'm okay with that for the many other cash and slot benefits of using ABP.

@thunderbird

The monk might miss out on 3 AC, if they didn't enchant their BoA with any special abilities.

I'm okay with that for the many other cash and slot benefits of using ABP.

Even if they do, they're still missing out on those 3 AC. For most builds, there's no +5 of armor abilities that competes with an extra +3 AC. But monks are pretty good anyway, so eh.

75% fortification is nice.

Hmm...

Not sure if spending the extra million on a construct is what I had in mind.

Unless it was wholly non-combative.

I'm being entirely sarcastic.

Hmm...psionic mecha is out?

I remember a person who actually statted out one of those monster/mech things from Neon Genesis Evangeline for 3.5. Had some lulzy huge numbers thrown around.

Monkeygod wrote:

Hmm...

Not sure if spending the extra million on a construct is what I had in mind.

Unless it was wholly non-combative.

I'm being entirely sarcastic.

You know I can't/don't trust you :P

Hmm. No idea what to do with the million GP... maybe I'll buy up some property on Axis. Probably more expensive than your average city.

I'm leaning towards having a base that isn't mobile, having a ship that can move around is okay, but I think that if several of us had floating castles, then there wouldn't be much need for us to be to close together.

One thing I'd like Monkeygod to consider is allowing teh gate of a demiplane to be mounted on an airship, or other mobile transport.

Whoa... and it turns out that a prismatic sphere can be permanencied. Hello, UMD!

This may have been answered but I don't see it so I'll ask. Since Multi-Classing is required to go past 20 are we capped at 20th CL or are we using epic spell progression? Allowing up to gain 10th, 11th, spell level slots?

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Monkeygod wrote:

Hmm...

Not sure if spending the extra million on a construct is what I had in mind.

Unless it was wholly non-combative.

I'm being entirely sarcastic.

You know I can't/don't trust you :P

That's wise.

As we are using Epic Leadership feat when I add Mythic Leadership feat and mixing it with class Tactician [commander] Thrallherd becomes redundant for my needs. So I'm dropping it and replacing it with psion uncarnate. I think the would better suit my idea of her and why she has the name she has.

She now has a mythic Cohort at 24 [another Elan] an Mythic thrall at 22 [another Elan] and around 1300+ followers given her Cha and feats.

It would be easy at our level to really impact the world and change it, I want her to be part of it but not known to meany. I think a hidden school of training Psionics. The Academy of the mind where the best and most gifted are offered the Chance to become an Elan should they wish. where graduates have a accreditation and join the PSI guild/origination.

Her followers are form.

-:Personal Staff
-:Academy of the mind staff
-:Academy of the mind students
-:Representatives looking for talented individuates.
-:Agents testing and talking to prospective students.
-:Representatives/agents working for her in the world
-:Members of the Psi-Guild for hire the world over.

Hers is a complex origination, working away behind the scenes.

Other things she has.

PSI-Port Gates for hire
Also she hires out a very service, Psi-port gates, used for fast travel, Like elf gates but sending only a few who are wealthy, powerful to know about them and afford them. A small group of her followers set up the gate and power it. Idea being someone hires the gate from her organisation, [you can't buy them]. They cost a lot and there is a contract and rules for their use etc.

It is my understanding that spell level progression will advance per pathfinder rules with a PrC for greater than 20th level spell casting.

So, our characters are the Justice League for Golarion?

So, our characters are the Justice League for Golarion?

He-hey now. Some of us are still bitter about getting faded on by our GM for two separate games with that title.

...oooh sorry.

Avengers?

Here's a question to ponder, I've spent about an hour searching the forum to no luck.

ARG says:
"Advanced Charisma (4 RP)

Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race receive a +2 racial bonus to Charisma.
Special: This bonus can be taken multiple times, but each additional time it is taken, its cost increases by 1 RP. Its effects stack."

The cost of this is 4 RP to get the first +2 bonus.

The cost to have the ability at +4 is...?

4+1 OR 4+5?

There are two methods of stating increases, most state the cost increases to take the ability a second time.

Damage Reduction says "for an additional 2 RP."

For my stronghold/monestary...thinking of a town/city that's kind of out of phase. The only way in is via portals or via a direct invite from a current member. A fort of Psions that have agents in every major city, keeping an eye on things. Yet, they haven't forgotten the plight of the common man. Tales would exist of a person lost or hurt in the wilderness, and get approached by someone who seemingly came from no where, and offer succor...then they are taken to a "magic place" and healed or other wise restored, then taken home. If they have any psionic potential they may be invited to stay. Kind of like the shadow, most agents are people that are or know loved ones that have been helped by DT directly or through other agents.

4, then 5, then 6 and so on...

+4 would be 9 RP

EDIT: fixed post

Kryzybyn is right.

You can't actually buy a +4 bonus, you have to buy +2 twice, the first one costs 4rp and the second one costs 4+1rp...

For my stronghold/monestary...thinking of a town/city that's kind of out of phase. The only way in is via portals or via a direct invite from a current member. A fort of Psions that have agents in every major city, keeping an eye on things. Yet, they haven't forgotten the plight of the common man. Tales would exist of a person lost or hurt in the wilderness, and get approached by someone who seemingly came from no where, and offer succor...then they are taken to a "magic place" and healed or other wise restored, then taken home. If they have any psionic potential they may be invited to stay. Kind of like the shadow, most agents are people that are or know loved ones that have been helped by DT directly or through other agents.

Kryzbyn that dos sounds remarkably close to my PCs home base/followes set up. I am not saying my PC has the monopoly on such ides but I really think if you went that way there was would be a massive competitive overlap in game. With our net works around the planet fighting over the same gifted Psions.

Could I make a suggestion, I think you will like it, you stated you PC would find and hunt down Evil mages and Psions. How dos this sound. A Knighthood Like the hell-Knights, but "Psion-Knights" a Combat trained Brother/sister hood fighting evil. They could have representatives around the world even Smaller keeps etc, Helping the weak and lost, while standing for good. In that way my PC would not only know of your Psionic-Knights but help you in training them and keep them, having your Knights come train at her academy and sending graduates wishing to Join the "Psion-Knights" to your stronghold/monestary. Also her net-work would help inform yours and Vises verier. There would be a lot positive linkups then and an understanding of what each of our PC stand for and dos in the world.

Would anyone be opposed to me taking the Archwizard Prestige Class by Frog God Games?

Also, Sapphire light.
You have yourself as Psion 20/ Tactician 20/ Psion Uncarnate 10/ Making you level 30?

He probably has 5 levels of the PrC on each side like I do.

@Bane88
Archwizard is not currently noted in the list of acceptable 3PP material.

@The Sapphire Light
She needs to look at when she took what levels.

If she did Tactician 20/Psion Uncarnate 5
and Psion 15/Psion Uncarnate 5/Psion 5

Then she would be following the gestalt rules.
You will need to show how you got your will save from classes to 18.
Your BAB looks low, listing which order you took what classes will help correct this.

I do see several issues with your character.
Saves +5Item is not allowed, see ABP
AC +5item is not allowed, see ABP
AC Please explain where +10 deflection comes from. I have never seen a deflection bonus higher than +5.
Reality Revision power = Inherent bonus [325,000gp] is not allowed, see ABP
Item = Enchantment bonus [380,000gp] is not allowed, see ABP
+1 dagger is not allowed, see ABP
+1 air gun is not allowed, see ABP
Belt of Dex +2 is not allowed, see ABP
Gem of mental prowess +2 is not allowed, see ABP

Handy Haversack is normally 1 80lb pouch and 2 20lb pouches for a total of 120 lbs, the smaller pouches are limited to a quart of material while the large pouch can contain 8 cubic feet. Your modified pouch would be severely restricted in what could be contained as you are reducing from 8 cubic feet to 4 quarts. And you're paying an extra 100gp for it.

I kind of have an overwhelming hatred of Frog God Games, so any opinion I give you will be biased.

Gestalt rule of only one PrC at a time is, as far as I know, still in effect.

In addition, caster level from classes would still be capped at 25.

Oh I get it. That makes sense. When I saw it in list format 20 20 10 I was like What?

And since I can't take Archwizard and higher than 20 levels of wizard, would anyone have a recommendation for how to keep my Spell Progression going up?

@The Sapphire Light

She needs to look at when she took what levels.

If she did Tactician 20/Psion Uncarnate 5
and Psion 15/Psion Uncarnate 5/Psion 5

Then she would be following the gestalt rules.
You will need to show how you got your will save from classes to 18.
Your BAB looks low, listing which order you took what classes will help correct this.

Ehhh... Im not really sure how I feel about this. It really feels like you are taking a 30/20 gestalt class, which is essentially subtracting levels from one "side" and adding them to the other. If allowed like this, you could probably get something close to a 45/5 class progression if you juggled the prestige classes correctly :(

I don't know, just feels like too much. Your thoughts guys?

Edit: Contrived progression, if allowed, to demonstrate my point.
Class A (20), Prestige A (5)
Class B (5), Prestige A (5), Prestige B (10), Prestige C (5)
With all Prestige classes enhancing Class A

This is probably legal, but seems really gamey, so I don't know :(

I've done some staggering for PrC's that lose caster levels, but then I only stagger enough to get the lost caster levels.

Staggering for saves/BAB is actually not in the gestalt rules, you take the better class progression, not the better choice at that level.

I did note that caster level is capped at 25, so she is loosing some class benefits.

Would anyone be opposed to me taking the Archwizard Prestige Class by Frog God Games?

Also, Sapphire light.
You have yourself as Psion 20/ Tactician 20/ Psion Uncarnate 10/ Making you level 30?

There staggered levels as said, 5 on both-side [yes i know I will have to show them. CL is still capped at 25 so no brake.

That being said I am think of making her Tactician 15, Psion Uncarnate 10 and using a temple on the Psion 20 side.

Hi fnord72

Ill look at what you posted but note My PC is still a work in progress and has some legacy stuff from the 1st build. But I will look at the stuff you highlighted and if its still in there Ill cross check it. :)

@gobo- In gestalt like abilities at any given level overlap (don't stack)... So, in your example-if class A is wizard and PrC A is something that bumps caster level, if you apply that CL increase to wizard it overlaps with the wizard CL increase and you only gain +1 CL total (thus wasting the PrC bump).

@fnord- really your CL should work the same as BAB/saves (which is one of the strengths of the fractional bonus system, you can use it to sort out CL weirdness), but I suppose it's up to you and your co-GMs to settle on that.

@Gobo Horde
While that could work, you'd be losing a lot.
Prestige C wouldn't be ok as it is at the same time as prestige a, and only one prestige is allowed at a time.

Things that will be capped based on HD/level are:

BAB, saves, caster level, sneak attack, pretty much anything that a non-gestalt calculates based on level or HD.

@nate lange

What I had done in the past was take a level of wizard on the other side at those levels where the PrC did not have a CL increase.

wizard 1 // Rogue 1
wizard 2 // Rogue 2
wizard 3 // Rogue 3
wizard 4 // Rogue 4
wizard 5 // Rogue 5
PrC no CL 1 // Wizard 6
PrC CL 2 // Rogue 6
PrC CL 3 // Rogue 7
PrC no CL 4 // Wizard 7

So at 9th level, My Wizard 7 / PrC 4 / Rogue 7 has a full 9 caster levels.

I think I see how this works.

I won't necessarily be doing this as I may want a template or two. but if I wanted my divine and arcane casting both at 25 could I do

Cleric 1 / Wizard 1
Cleric 2 / Wizard 2
Cleric 3 / Wizard 3
Cleric 4 / Wizard 4
Cleric 5 / Wizard 5
Cleric 6 / Wizard 6
Cleric 7 / Wizard 7
Cleric 8 / Wizard 8
Cleric 9 / Wizard 9
Cleric 10 / Wizard 10
Cleric 11 / Wizard 11
Cleric 12 / Wizard 12
Cleric 13 / Wizard 13
Cleric 14 / Wizard 14
Cleric 15 / Wizard 15
Divine Scion 1 / Wizard 16
DS 2 / W 17
DS 3 / W 18
DS 4 / W 19
DS 5 / W 20
Cleric 16 / Cypher Mage 1
Cleric 17 / CM 2
Cleric 18 / CM 3
Cleric 19 / CM 4
Cleric 20 / CM 5

??

@fnord-
Like I said, it's up to you and the other GMs how you want to run that but really it should be:
Wiz 1 (+1 CL) // rog 1
Wiz 2 (+1 CL) // rog 2
Wiz 3 (+1 CL) // rog 3
Wiz 4 (+1 CL) // rog 4
Wiz 5 (+1 CL) // rog 5
PrC 1 (+3/4 CL) // Wiz 6 (+1 CL)
PrC 2 (+3/4 CL) // rog 6
PrC 3 (+3/4 CL) // rog 7
PrC 4 (+3/4 CL) // rog 8
PrC 5 (+3/4 CL) // Wiz 7 (+1 CL)

So, at 10th you'd be wiz 7/rog 8/PrC 5 with CL 9 (well, 9.25 rounded down)

@bane- yup

Bane;s example works so long as both PrC's are full caster progression.

I'm curious where the 3/4 is coming from?
Are those PrC's assuming fractional caster level?

I think that's a bit more complicated than I want to deal with.

I much prefer the wiz 7/rog 8/PrC 5 with CL 10 and not worry about fractions.

Yeah. With the exception of rage prophet every PrC with less than full casting works exactly right with the proper fraction. Dragon Disciple, for example, is a 3/4 casting class, Eldritch knight (if it were allowed) is 9/10, and so on.

That is more complicated than just taking +1 whenever you can, but that's true of BAB and Saves as well. It's just a question of where/how you draw the line between convenience and exploitation.

Do not try to game the system. This is supposed to be a fun experiment, not some

ZOMG!! I HAZ TEH POWERZ!! PEW! PEW! PEW! nonsense.

For the time being, follow this guideline:

Scaling Powers: Hit dice, base attack bonuses, and saving throws continue to increase at the same rate beyond 20th level, as appropriate for the class in question. Note that no character can have more than 4 attacks based on its base attack bonus. Note also that, before long, the difference between good saving throws and poor saving throws becomes awkwardly large—the further you get from 20th level, the more noticeable this difference grows, and for high-level characters, bolstering their poor saving throws should become increasingly important. Class abilities that have a set, increasing rate, such as a barbarian's damage reduction, a fighter's bonus feats and weapon training, a paladin's smite evil, or a rogue's sneak attack continue to progress at the appropriate rate.

Also,
Fractions hurt my soul...

Yep boss

Anyways, going back to my idea (back on the first page ^-^) and actually fleshing it out further (its been a busy weekend :/ ), heres my thoughts.
1: Psion Nomad 20 on one side. (he teleports everywhere, and is the embodiment of movement)
2: Quickling Template, 3 levels. (Again, the embodiment of movement, and very fast movement)
3: Thinking of the Eldritch template to give him starflight, and maybe Incorporeality.
4: if not incorporeality from above, then 10 levels of Psion Uncarnate to gain the incorporeal ability that way. (would probably have to drop some levels of Psion to fit it within the 25 level limit, but can work with that :)
5 Extras.
Maybe a level of Elocator, just for anti-gravity shenanigans :) Functionally useless at this level, but fun :)
Also entertained the idea of turning him into something constructy/Machiney via something like the Augmented Template, or the Cyber Solder Archetype for the figher.

As for the rest, I am yet unsure. He is mainly a very fast, very mobile Psion Caster, but I can easily broaden his abilities instead of focusing even more on that aspect (like going Metamind for unlimited casting). Thinking of Melee? Incorporating his movement with melee capabilities.
I don't know. Another idea was make him machine like instead of incorporeal. If so, he would probably be sporting some advanced ranged weaponry and probably have it incorporated into his body. I think that there are already a few people going with the Psion Uncarnate idea, so I might differentiate from them that way.

DT:
1 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 1 || Psi Warrior 1
2 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 2 || Psi Warrior 2
3 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 3 || Psi Warrior 3
4 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 4 || Psi Warrior 4
5 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 5 || Psi Warrior 5
6 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 6 || Psi Warrior 6
7 - Dark Tempest (PrC) 1 || Psi Warrior 7
8 - Dark Tempest (PrC) 2 || Psi Warrior 8
9 - Dark Tempest (PrC) 3 || Psi Warrior 9
10 - Dark Tempest (PrC) 4 || Psi Warrior 10
11 - Dark Tempest (PrC) 5 || Psi Warrior 11
12 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 7 || Dark Tempest (PrC) 6
13 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 8 || Dark Tempest (PrC) 7
14 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 9 || Dark Tempest (PrC) 8
15 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 10 || Dark Tempest (PrC) 9
16 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 11 || Psi Warrior 12
17 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 12 || Dark Tempest (PrC) 10
18 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 13 || Psi Warrior 13
19 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 14 || Psi Warrior 14
20 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 15 || Psi Warrior 15
21 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 16 || Psi Warrior 16
22 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 17 || Psi Warrior 17
23 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 18 || Psi Warrior 18
24 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 19 || Psi Warrior 19
25 - Nimble Blade (Soulknife) 20 || Psi Warrior 20

That little jog at 17 was so I didn't lose a dice of Psychic Strike :P
Levels 7-11 he's stuck with 3/4 BAB, but it is what it is.