Precise Debilitations.


Rules Discussion


My player took the feats to acquire Precise debilitations.

Player has debilitation Strike Free action. He is 10th level and took Precise debilitation.

Now the player sneak attacks a creature. He set up twin feint and the second attack is going to be a sneak attack if it his.

Will debilitating strike coupled with Precise debilitating strikes apply (thus having the rogue roll 4d6 instead of his 2d6)?

Just to be clear. Does the rogue get it on the first strike which would be a sneak attack and if not where is the rule that says it applies later on?

Thanks!


Debilitating strike:

Quote:
Trigger Your Strike hits a flat-footed creature and deals damage.

The trigger is to deal damage.

Order of application for damage:

Quote:


1. Roll the dice indicated by the weapon, unarmed attack, or spell, and apply the modifiers, bonuses, and penalties that apply to the result of the roll.
2. Determine the damage type.
3. Apply the target’s immunities, weaknesses, and resistances to the damage.
4. If any damage remains, reduce the target’s Hit Points by that amount.

You have to first add the precision damage before you even calaculate the damage, let alone apply it which is the final step.

So the Trigger for the Debilitations doen't happen until the strike has completely resolved and the whole damage (including the sneak attack) is applied to the target.


Ok we were playing that wrong. The Rogue was stating that he gets to apply his 2 xtra dice of precise on the initial strike as it states it is 'added' to the debilitation.

Just to be clear nobody allows the rogue to apply the precise debilitation on the initial strike which also happens to be striking a flat footed foe.

Thank you for that session I allowed the rogue to do this but wanted clarification.

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