♣♠Down the Rabbit Hole♦♥ (Inactive)

Game Master ♣♠Magic♦♥

Like it says on the tin.

I think an Alice type campaign would be fun.

Characters would start as children from the same age group, probably 12-15 range. Something happens, be it rabbit hole or looking glass, you all wind up in Underland and acquire the abilities you made characters with.

Obviously, we'll be ignoring the "no class levels as children" rule, and probably multiple other rules along the way. I'll keep things fair, because this is for fun. I'm fine with people making stuff up sometimes, but if you're making it unfun for others, we'll have to talk.

I'm not here for power building. I just want to have fun. So, if you see rules light and your first thought is "he'll let make Stabby McDeathKill who can kill stuff in one swipe," please don't apply.

I also won't be super strict on posting schedule. We have lives. This is a hobby and not a chore for most people, so I won't require certain amounts of correspondence. If you haven't said anything in a while, we can ssume you're staring at the fantastic landscape. If you dissapear entirely, you'll be missed and I may or may not find someone else as the game requires. I'm going to be making this up as I go along, mostly, with suggestions from the players of course.

Preliminary character build is 20 point buy, 1st level, one class, human, no age modifier to ability scores. Just keep in mind that you are kids, even if you are super cool. 5 players. Two traits. 1 drawback.

So, what do you think? Does this sound fun, or have I gone mad? ;)

Let me know if you have any questions.

*perk* I am intrigued. I'll toss something into the ring. Question: Can I use the Harrow Handbook's "Deadly Dealer" feat?

Gladly. Love that feat and it fits the game well.

Feel free to ignore the five rank requirement, but you will need arcane strike and something magic to trigger it.

If it's part of the build I would appreciate /some/ ranks in SOF. I feel like the ranks puts it off until a level where it's no longer all that relevant.

If you haven't already, I'd strongly suggest you check out JAGS Wonderland and the Book of Knots at the bottom of this page. They're a pair of Alice and Wonderland sourcebooks for a different rpg but if you've got the time to breeze through them they've got some insanely phenomenal ideas.

I'm interested! :) I'm thinking of a paladin...

So all the children would be from Golarion?

Would they still worship its gods and goddesses?

Why not. sounds fun :)

thinking summoner
with cat-like eidolon ;)

also : Hello Carter! :P

No gear yet

I've wanted to do something like this since Grimm was published. Hmm. Which class to play...

Oh man, so many ideas.

What I'd really like to do might require a bit too much fudging, but I figure I'll ask anyway. I'd like to play an Umbral Bard, who has the ability to control shadows. They'd reason that everyone is afraid of the dark, so it's this kind of "turning my fear into my enemies fear" sort of thing. I'd also like to have a protective Wolf companion, which I suppose I can do with a couple of feats - Nature Soul followed by Animal Ally - but I wouldn't be able to get it until 5th and it would perpetually be 3 levels below me. Maybe there's something I can trade off to get it earlier / without the feat tax? Like, "one fewer spell per day" or something?

There is the feat Boon Companion that u can look at

I'm interested! :) I'm thinking of a paladin...

So all the children would be from Golarion?

Would they still worship its gods and goddesses?

I was actually intending them to be from Industrial Revolution era England. And therefore, probably Christian if they were of faith.

If you're going to play a paladin, you're going to need a reason that they're morally devout as a 12 year old. Maybe a kid living in the local Abbey came out to play?

Why not. sounds fun :)

thinking summoner
with cat-like eidolon ;)

also : Hello Carter! :P

No gear yet

** spoiler omitted **...

Oh, hey good to see someone familiar.

Sounds good.

Forgot to mention:

EVERYONE GETS MAX START GOLD AND MAX HP EVERY LEVEL

Oh man, so many ideas.

What I'd really like to do might require a bit too much fudging, but I figure I'll ask anyway. I'd like to play an Umbral Bard, who has the ability to control shadows. They'd reason that everyone is afraid of the dark, so it's this kind of "turning my fear into my enemies fear" sort of thing. I'd also like to have a protective Wolf companion, which I suppose I can do with a couple of feats - Nature Soul followed by Animal Ally - but I wouldn't be able to get it until 5th and it would perpetually be 3 levels below me. Maybe there's something I can trade off to get it earlier / without the feat tax? Like, "one fewer spell per day" or something?

I'm afraid that feats are hard to quantify in power level because they're so stepwise, but I think I can allow it. Keep him, but you have to add small size category until the level you would get him normally, and he doesn't scale until that level.

That seem fair to everyone?

Entries so far:

Seth86 Mostly built Unchained Summoner

Me'Mori Something with Deadly Dealer

Ythiel possible Paladin

Mar undecided

A.P.Y.I.K.H.,H. Umbral Bard

What would people think of this as a gestalt game? If that's a resounding yes, we may do it. I'm here for everyone to have fun. Let me know if I can help you do that. :)

hello magic....

this is interesting...

almost a place for Lulu again....

still unsure about playing as I have several games already and don't want to overload again.

though I did have two games just go on indefinite hiatus.

Hi. :)

I know the danger of being overloaded. It's not fun... :/

But, if you decide to play: remember to rebuild as a human with Small size.

All entrants should be Base Human, adjusted to small size category.

Small size. But no modifiers for being small?
Hmmm. Might go for a knight like character... summoner or cavalier...

Adjustment for small, but not for young age.

Ah ha. Right. Will have to rework then. =^^=

I can't think of a good concept. I hope everyone else has fun though.

Here is a rework, going cavalier

Now with added gear =^^=

A.P.Y.I.K.H.,H.

I lol'd.

I'm afraid that feats are hard to quantify in power level because they're so stepwise, but I think I can allow it. Keep him, but you have to add small size category until the level you would get him normally, and he doesn't scale until that level.

That seem fair to everyone?

Making sure I get this: In exchange for 1 less spell per day, I'd get a small wolf companion at level 1, he'd stay small and level 1 until I hit level 4, at which point he'd become medium and from then he'd scale in level with me? That seems totally reasonable. I'd be fine with burning 1 feat if it's deemed that the benefit I'm getting is still considerably more than the cost - I just hate the idea of burning three and several levels.

Unless we go gestalt - then I'll just take my second class as one that gives me a companion. Probably Inquisitor (Sacred Huntmaster). I'll wait to build out the crunch until a decision is made on that front. I'd be fine going either way as far as Gestalt goes.

Don't bother with the one less spell per day.

But, yes.

Looking good, Seth.

Don't bother with the one less spell per day.

But, yes.

Looking good, Seth.

What young boy doesnt want to be a knight? =^^=

Keep in mind for backstory, characters will just be playing make believe at first. Actually having these abilities happens in Wonderland.

I understand. Thinking "Pagemaster"

I might be interested. I love Gestalt. And this sounds crazy fun.

Cool. So that's 1.5 for gestalt. Anyone else to weigh in on that?

Dont mind gestalt

I'd rather pass on Gestalt, but I haven't submitted a character yet.

If we do go gestalt.
My second class would be Fighter (Dragoon)

Hey magic,
Interesting concept, human only and non gestalt at first level
Hmm throw out that concept, that one, that one ... That one's a maybe with some tweaking
Hmmm I'll get back to you probably with a Druid or a sorcerer
A bard/sylvan sorcerer if we're doing gestalt, though it would be better if I could be a Kitsune,
Maybe I could eat a snack I shouldn't have upon entering under land and sprout fur
Ooh that'd be fun to roleplay learning to control!
Do all of our characters fall in together/come from the same area and/or wealth bracket
Are we the children of minor aristocracy as Alice was (relative to the commoners of pathfinder's normal setting, and still well off by her own time period)

And you know me, I'm always for gestalt :)

I'm extremely unfamiliar with gestal, as I've never tried it before. But I can still learn the rules.

I'm extremely unfamiliar with gestal, as I've never tried it before. But I can still learn the rules.

It's very easy. Basically, you choose two classes instead of one. You get the Special Abilities / Spells of both classes. For BAB, Hit Dice, Skills, and Saves, you "mix and match", taking the best from each class. (Saves are as a group, though, not save-by-save, so you'll still have one that is weak)

A popular option prior to the Bloodrager becoming a thing, for instance, was being a Sorcerer/Barbarian, which meant full Sorcerer casting with the Barbarian's Base Attack and Hit Dice. You can make some very cool combinations.

Reworked Luthian to Gestalt

(Saves are as a group, though, not save-by-save, so you'll still have one that is weak)

this is false

You can find the full rules here

YoricksRequiem wrote:

(Saves are as a group, though, not save-by-save, so you'll still have one that is weak)

this is false

You can find the full rules here

Whoa, s$+&, really? I've been doing Gestalt wrong for ages, then. I thought you took the saves as a whole from one class. PLOT TWIST.

Learn something new every day ;)

Base Saving Throw Bonuses

For each save bonus, choose the better progression from the two classes. For example, a 1st-level gestalt fighter/wizard would have base saving throw bonuses of Fortitude +2, Reflex +0, Will +2—taking the good Fortitude save from the fighter class and the good Will save from the wizard class.

I started to say that earlier, but I guess my post got eaten.

I think the enjoyment, or at least interest in gestalt play is fairly prevalent.

Can I get a post from those interested with both classes, so I can get an idea of what roles we've had auditioned for?

Cavalier/Fighter

I'm definitely going Bard (Umbral Weaver), but I'm still a bit up in the air about my second class. I'll try to make a decision later tonight - currently weighing some pros and cons for a few different options.

Basically I'm considering Sorcerer, Inquisitor, Rogue, Magus, or Swashbuckler. So there are options, haha. I'll definitely be a Skill and Magic character, it's just a question of whether I'll have any value in melee combat.

I'm really not sure about Gestalt.

I have a feeling it may depart from my first idea. I'm not really looking for powerful stuff. I just wanted to have a bit of fun, and having all of these abilities might complicate that.

Your game

=^^=

I can totally understand that. Especially where you're looking to recruit 5 players. I would be fine with dropping it.

I'm good either way
I just need to make a more solid concept of we're not going to play gestalt

If we are I'd like to play a Bard/sylvan sorcerer

I do think one class would be better.

Sorry for the mixed signals.

That's fine I guess
More difficult to pick though
Hmm I want something fey and/or nature related
But I also like charisma and spontaneous casting... Hmm

That's fine I guess

More difficult to pick though
Hmm I want something fey and/or nature related
But I also like charisma and spontaneous casting... Hmm

that sounds like Lulu

Oh hey lulu!
As soon as I see you another concept entered my head, unfortunately it too would require gestalt
I really need to get my brain to accept more normal concepts...