DM Talomyr's Kingmaker

Game Master Talomyr

Ouch! Hope your fingers start to feel better soon.

You and me both. Hopefully they'll feel better in the morning.

Well, it seems I'm doing a lot better today than I thought I would be. Still stings a little, but not nearly as much as before. Assuming things continue this way, I should be good.

Hey so apparently I just read through the whole gameplay thread and I've written out the highlights in this calendar. As we've just completed our first major quest line I thought it was a good opportunity to stop and reflect.

There were a few times where it wasn't totally clear how long we spent in certain locations (eg resting at Oleg's for 'a few days') so if the dates don't completely line up with your records please feel free to correct me, DM?

Also I assumed the year was 4710 AR, I think that's the standard starting year for the Kingmaker AP.

4710AR.pdf

Cool! Thanks for taking the time to do that. Y'all have been busy.

Man that look like it was a bunch of work. Thanks for doing that!

Wow this is getting really heavy. Also I'm feeling a bit guilty that it's been a bit of a Terri & Tove show this week... Sorry!

Maybe we can fight something soon to lighten the mood?

I have an idea, but I want to finish this scene up first. I figure that once you mention meeting Perlivash, Terri's going to want to meet him too. That should be fun and lighthearted.

Well, at least it didn't go into a murderous frenzy and stalk us up the stairs. That's got to count for something, right?

:sweatin_bullets:

Seriously though, do we want Ivo to try le coup de gras?

I feel like that might be our best bet at this point. Damn.

Yeah I was hoping that we'd be able to do this the easy way. Looks like we're going to need to risk our necks. On the plus side, it has a -10 to its perception. That should help us sneak up on it.

As we are getting very close to your second charter (the one granting you rulership, plus supplies and workers to start your settlement), you need to start thinking of who will fill each of the rulership roles and which NPCs you want to recruit to fill the roles that you can not.

I will post these links on the campaign tab later as well.

Kingdom Building Rules

Kingdom Monthly Turn Sequence

Kingdom Spreadsheet

Spyyyyymasterrrrr

Sorry. Looks I failed to make the spreadsheet link a shareable link. I've updated that. Try it out and let me know if you can see the spreadsheet now (read only).

I've gotten to the spreadsheet.

Based on the first part of the discussion thread, I had planned on Bass being the ruler of the kingdom.

Well, since Bass called Ruler, I think I'll take Councilor or Diplomat.

Tove will be taking on the role of High Priestess.

Where's the struggle for position? No arguments?

Come on, you disappoint me...or perhaps I've been playing Vampire: the Masquerade too long.

So far, so good.

Terri, I think you have your pick of the two. I've got you down as the Diplomat, let me know if that is not the direction you would prefer to go.

Garethane, I assume you would be interested in the role of Marshal?

I know the PCs really haven't met him yet, but what are you thinking Kalaman?

What will you all call your fledgling kingdom?

No arguments between players at least. We'll just have to wait and see how much Tove is actually willing to let the Church of Abadar assert its dominance over the region.

I think there are a couple of roles where Kalaman's intelligence could serve us well. Magister would be the more natural choice for him I assume, unless her has a particular fondness for counting coin...

Make that two of us. Terri's a Desnan, though I haven't really decided if she is also in the mystery cult of the Black Butterfly or just aware of it.

To be honest, I'm kinda torn between being a diplomat and being the councilor. Both offer a lot of opportunities to travel and influence the kingdom, along with other shenanigans. That said, I'm starting to lean towards Councilor. Unless I misread the description, they are kinda like the party-planner and diplomat for internal affairs. That would be something right up Terri's alley.

Now, if you want some vying for the throne, I do think Terri would also make a good candidate for Ruler with Bass as a great general. Both have 18 CHA, but I think their ruling styles would be very different. Bass seems to be more of the typical fairytale lord knight while Terri is definitely a trickster and minstrel. She would definitely create some of the oddest royal traditions in Golarion.

That said, she doesn't have the history that Bass does, nor would she really want the top spot. She's fine being an advisor, but she wouldn't hesitate to lay into someone with her sharp tongue if she felt it was warranted. All in all, I think she'd work better as the Diplomat or Councilor. In either case, she'll be making her mark on the kingdom.

And I wouldn't worry overly much. I'm sure something will come around that'll cause an argument. :D

Looking at the map and the bulletin board, it looks like we've got a couple of things we can hunt and a bounty we can nab while we explore the rest of the hexes. To that end, I must ask if the loot list is up to date and if the boots of elvenkind are up for grabs, mainly so we know what to order.

As for a shopping list, here's what I think we'll need.
- 2 weeks of food for 5
- 2 weeks of feed for 6 horses/ponies
- 1 pack saddle if we don't have one.
- I'm kinda thinking we should have whatever we need to set up a camp in a central location and use as a base to explore from. Maybe a pavilion tent with partitions for privacy?
- gifts for any friendly fey we run across.

Can y'all think of anything else?

As Kalaman is quite knowledgeable, I think magister is an apt spot for him, he doesn't have any desire to rule. His goal really is to find out where his sword came from, and the amount of research and searching for that source would cross his paths with other knowledge, I would assume, unless the first book he opens says hey heres your magical sword that appeared in the night! (Not super likely, but hey) so that search for knowledge would make him a natural to be the head of knowledge and learning.

I'd thought about the same conflict between Tove and Bassius, and I'm actually pretty excited to see how it plays out.

Yes, Terri, the loot list is updated. If you take something off, remember to update the quantity, so I can remove the line if that item is all gone.

The other suggestion for a buy is perhaps a cart instead of saddlebags, if we want to carry supplies to set up a base camp, though Bass wants to set up base camp at the Stag Lord's fort.

Just realized two things.
1. Terri is supposed to have the boots, I just never claimed them. (Oops)
2. Technically, the bonus is to Acrobatics checks, which Terri uses her Perform(Dance) Skill in place of (Another thing I forgot.) Would it be fair to say that it applies to her versatile performance and and that she can get the +5 without having to dump a bunch of ranks into Acrobatics?

Re: Base Camps
My thinking was that we would want a camp closer to where we are exploring.So we'd travel to the middle of a bunch of unexplored hexes and setup camp there. Each day we'd return to that camp instead of traveling all the way back to the fort. The fort would be more of an HQ.

I really like that idea Terri, I’m not sure why that’s never occurred to us, or even any other group I’ve run hex-based exploitation for....

My mind works in strange and kooky ways. :P

I think part of it is that most people don't get into the logistics or think about mundane things because that's not what's exciting to them. They you have me that will spend hundreds of gold on a bunch of clothes then spend about an hour and a half figuring out what they look like just because I like the verisimilitude of a character trying to figure out what's the right outfit for the occasion and even lamenting that a favored set of clothes is either dirty or shredded.

I just didn't think to do that with Terri just yet. :)

That sort of thing has actually been the most enjoyable part of Bassius. That fact updating the loot list is helping me be in character as an Abadarian is both amusing to me and really interesting.

Re:Base Camps
I like that idea. We could put together a list of the supplies we use for a base camp, and I could add a sheet to the loot list with all that stuff on it.

I'm good with base camps, but as you consider doing that I would look at the exploration guidelines on the campaign tab.

RAW, with the travel times through hexes and the time required to explore a hex base camps aren't as optimal as you would think. There is certainly room for negotiation.

But if we could carry the camp on a pack horse, time wouldn't be a factor.

True, but that's a different scenario than Terri was suggesting above.

I think that's more because it's an abstract mechanic and not an accurate representation of reality. Combing an area as thoroughly as the AP assumes that's roughly 60 square miles would take a lot longer than a day, I think.

Marshal makes sense for Garathane as does Warden. Either will keep him in the woods pretty often. Slight mechanical advantage to Marshal (+4 from Dex) as opposed to Warden (+3 from Str), but it will probably depend on who we can recruit to fill in other roles.

While Garathane is a follower of Erastil, I really like the potential by-play of a Urbanite Ruler and a Rural High Priestess (Green Acres anybody?). If we can call upon the finest aspects of both Abadar and Erastil, it could be a great combo. Or it could be an entertaining s&!! show. Either provide great role playing opportunities!

As for exploring, I wonder if we'll be able to take advantage of Garathane's wild shape to speed exploration a bit. Won't help much on travel, but an hour or two in a fast bird shape would be sufficient to capture the geographical features of an 8 mile x 8 mile section of land, even taking into account the number of times he will likely need to fly away and hide from dangerous airborne predators.

Question for you, DM. I see you've updated the charter in the header. Is that addendum to the charter something we've been given in character, or is that just because we're now in book 2?

That is the charter you will be given when Old Duncan gets back. I just had a bit of time to update the campaign tab last night, so I took advantage of it.

That was my guess. Thanks for keeping on top of things, I'm really enjoying this campaign, and I'm also really looking to seeing these kingdom rules in action.

Hey, DM? I don't know if it got missed or if you're still mulling it over, but can the Boots of Elvenkind affect my Versatile Performance Acrobatics score, or just my normal one? I need to know so I can finish getting Terri leveled.

As long as you are using Versatile Performance for Acrobaticd, yes. The bonus would not apply to any other use of the replacement skill.

Okay, I'll have Terri's updated stats tonight.

And done!

+5 HP
No increases to saves
+2 rounds of bardic performance.
+15 ft of movement when battle dancing.
Inspire courage increases to +2
Boatload of new skills
took the Dodge feat.
+1 spell slot for 1st and 2nd level and a new known spell. I took Cat's Grace since I have a lot of things that go off Dexterity, like attacks and damage.

So, as for buying things... its just 1045 gp for a heavy mithral shield with a holy symbol of Abadar...

Also, does anyone mind if I take the amulet of natural armor?

Also, what may we want to liquidate in terms of weapons and magic items?

I don't think the amulet of mighty fists is going to be much use to anyone,

I don't think the amulet of mighty fists is going to be much use to anyone,

Can you hang it around the neck of Bassius's already mighty warhorse? I don't know that I've ever seen that, but I think it would be fairly awesome!

@ garethane, raw the horse could wear the aomf, only issue is that to activate the shock ability a command needs to be given. Now I don't know if bassius, sitting on the horses back can whisper to the amulet to activate it, or the command word be re-keyed to a neigh, but would be pretty awesome to have a shocking horse! All we would need is a circlet of speaking or similar and to teach it a trick to speak the word and bam, shocking horse

And since my horse now is an animal companion, it has the Int score to know how to do that (paladin's bonded mounts have a min Int score of 5 :D)

To further geek out on this question, according to the Companions and Familiars section of Ultimate Wilderness:

https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?Name=Magic%20Item%20Slots&Category=Compan ions%20and%20Familiars

Quadruped (Hooves) can wear the following:
Available Slots armor, belt (saddle), chest, eyes, feet (horseshoes), head, headband, neck, shoulders

Just how much do you want to pimp out Emperor Stavian? And since he has a INT score of 6, can we put him into a slot of government? If we got him a headband of intellect, he would easily be as smart as most US politicians, if he isn't already ;)

He could be the Warden with a Belt of Giant Strength. Sorry, I mean saddle of Giant Strength. xD

I'm willing to entertain a lot of weird stuff, but I have to draw the line at giving a court role to a warhorse. ;)

Precedent.

Still drawing the line. :)

On a more serious note, why not ask if Svetlana wants to be Councilor or Diplomat? I think she'd probably be a good fit for one of those.