All's Well that Ends in a Well

Game Master Choon


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You crest the last hill and finally the complex comes into view. In stark contrast to the lush greenery of the hills you just fought your way through lies a large sunken graveyard laid out in the shape of a cross. Rather than towering  above the ground, the graves have settled into depressions, and the  main mausoleum, a building of strange green stone, rests in the deepest depression some 40 ft. below the ground on which you now stand. At the other end of the grave-filled hollow stands what appears to be a stone well. There are no gravestones near it. The  normal sounds of wildlife are gone, and large carrion birds circle  overhead. An ominous silence rests about the place.
Each of you knows in your heart that you have found the legendary dungeon of Rappan Athuk. And though none dare speak it, you wonder if you  will live to return to the warmth of hearth and home.

Welcome to this, the time of my Rappan Athuk recruitment! It's only the third one of these I've seen recently. Oh well.
You are like family to me, and because of that I'm going to throw a select group of you out of the frying pan of this recruitment and into the fire of Rappan Athuk!  You're so lucky!

The Setting
Generally Golarion. You may use the Golarion deities outlined in Inner Sea Gods and other locations from Golarion as you will. I am placing Rappan Athuk on an island in the Shackles if you want to include travels in your stories, but that won't really play into the game. The dungeon is deep in the Forest of Hope atop a decent hill.  The Coast Road runs nearby linking the port to the central town on the island.  Finding the dungeon isn’t hard.  Surviving is a different story.
In your backstories, please include what experiences you have had to achieve fourth level. Don't get too grandiose. You may have overcome a local menace but that's about it. Think of it as the ability level at the end of the first book of an AP.
This time could have been spent wandering the wild and dangerous lands around the entrance to the dungeon or guarding wagons on the Coast Road. We will be skipping that part of the book as it doesn't interest me all that much. It's nice and deadly and all, but I wanted to start a bit later than level 1.

The Build Rules:

Stats
I will be using a variation on the system used in the Way of the Wicked campaign.  Your characters may assign one 18 to any stat and must assign an 8 to another.  Each hero must have their flaw after all.  For the remaining four stats please roll 4d6 and drop the lowest.  If your roll comes to less than a 15 point buy (over the rolled stats) you may re-roll once.  If you are not satisfied with either array you may use a 15 point buy for the remaining stats.

Allowed Material
Paizo material is allowed.  Dreamscarred Psionics material is also allowed. The Technology Guide is not allowed. Path of War is not allowed. Spheres of Power or Might are not allowed.
No other materials allowed.

Build Rules
Classes:  All permitted, Starting level 4, Partial Gestalt, see below for extra specialness
Races: Core and Featured (save drow noble)
Extras: Background skills
Traits: 2 Two total.  One drawback required.
Alignment: Any, but if you go jerk mode I reserve the right to “corrective action”.
Wealth: 5k.  No more than half of this may be spent on a single item group (like “weapons” or “armor”). No pre-game crafting.
Extra Special Specialness!!
You may gain class levels in another class equal to half your level rounded down.  Meaning we are doing a kind of gestalt 1.5 class thing. Meaning you will build a Class 4/Class 2 to apply.
Double Extra Special Specialness
You will keep the saves and BaB of your primary class.  Your caster level, save DC’s, etc. will remain tied to the class that grants you a particular spell. The secondary class will not be able to grant you improved BaB or make up for the save you are weak in.  Hp will be altered as normal for Gestalt as will skills and anything else not mentioned above.
This is done to give more options to builds and improve their toughness a bit without me having to largely rework every encounter.

This recruitment will remain open for at least two weeks with a projected end date of August 2nd.  

As for tone, I will be playing this one pretty hard and not fudging in your favor.  Your advantage in the partial gestalt allows me to take the gloves off.  Death is possible, especially if I roll well...poorly… whatever.  If, when, a PC death happens we will discuss how to bring in a replacement.

About GM Choon:

This is not my first rodeo, but I’m not an old timer.  I have been playing and GMing PbP on these boards for several years now.  A fair number of my games have run to completion.  Some have run to the completion of an arc or a book (in the case of an AP).  Some have fizzled. I have experience dealing with each situation.  Most of my experience is with pathfinder and I have good system mastery.  I have experience in many other systems and this has allowed me to wing it rather well, or so my live group says.

I tend to post at least 1/day, sometimes much more.  If that needs to fall off for a time I will notify everyone.


Dot! I've got an idea for a ratfolk wizard; I'm not sure what his ".5" class will be yet. Let's go with 18 in Intelligence (of course), and 8 in Charisma. Other stats:
4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 1, 2) = 8 = 7
4d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 3, 2) = 11 = 9
4d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 2, 2) = 12 = 10
4d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 3, 6) = 16 = 13

Um. Yeah. I'm thinking a 15 point buy for the other four stats is definitely the way to go!


Rolls:
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 1, 1, 1) - 1 = 6
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (3, 4, 2, 1) - 1 = 9
4d6 - 4 ⇒ (4, 5, 6, 5) - 4 = 16
4d6 - 3 ⇒ (3, 6, 3, 5) - 3 = 14

Let's reroll.
4d6 - 4 ⇒ (6, 4, 4, 4) - 4 = 14
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (1, 2, 4, 5) - 1 = 11
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 6, 5, 1) - 1 = 17
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (3, 1, 3, 6) - 1 = 12

So, that's 18, 17, 14, 12, 11, 8

I have a question about this 1.5 gestalt. Let's say I'm a Wizard 4//Barbarian 2. I get BAB and saves of the wizard, 2 levels of Barbarian HP and skills and 2 levels of Wizard HP and skills. On the 5th level, I get everything from wizard. On the 6th, I get Barbarian HP and skills. Did I get that right?


Dotting!

4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 3, 4) = 11 9
4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 5, 4) = 14 12
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 5, 6) = 19 16
4d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 1, 6) = 14 13

I think that's 14 points? Am I right there? I wouldn't mind just taking that 9 up to a 10, but it isn't super important, probably. I've got a few ideas floating around, but it's a shame Avowed didn't make the cut. Likely something psionic, in any case.


4d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 3, 2) = 16 = 14
4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 6, 5) = 14 = 13
4d6 ⇒ (4, 1, 6, 4) = 15 = 14
4d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 5, 6) = 17 = 15

20 point buy...it's a keeper.


4d6 ⇒ (4, 4, 3, 2) = 13 =11
4d6 ⇒ (2, 1, 3, 2) = 8 =7
4d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 5, 5) = 20 =16
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 4, 4) = 16 =13

I'll go with point buy.


Dotting; will have to roll later when I'm at my computer.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Dotting.

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 4, 3, 1) = 13 12
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 1, 6) = 14 13
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 1, 1) = 9 8
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 2, 2) = 7 6

Rerolling:
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 6, 3) = 21 18
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 4, 2, 6) = 17 15
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 2, 1) = 10 9
4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 2, 1) = 14 13

I can work with that one.


Interesting. :)

Ability Score 1: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 5, 6) = 22 = 17
Ability Score 2: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 3, 5) = 13 = 11
Ability Score 3: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 6, 2) = 11 = 10
Ability Score 4: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 2, 5) = 12 = 10

Wow, weird one. I think that is close, but less than 15, so I will try again. :)

Ability Score 1: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 2, 6) = 13 = 12
Ability Score 2: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 2, 5) = 19 = 17
Ability Score 3: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 2, 4) = 17 = 15
Ability Score 4: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 4, 1) = 11 = 10

Not sure what I will go with yet, but I will come up with something soon. Sounds like a fun, challenging game.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

What do we use for hit points per level? Average? Roll?


Joseph Soltz wrote:

Dotting!

4d6 9
4d6 12
4d6 16
4d6 13

I think that's 14 points? Am I right there? I wouldn't mind just taking that 9 up to a 10, but it isn't super important, probably. I've got a few ideas floating around, but it's a shame Avowed didn't make the cut. Likely something psionic, in any case.

Whoops! Forgot my reroll.

4d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 2, 4) = 13 11
4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 4, 2) = 18 16
4d6 ⇒ (1, 6, 1, 1) = 9 8
4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 2, 5) = 19 17

Wow. I'll take it.


Dotting. Very interesting setup!

4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 4, 5) = 14 = 12
4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 2, 6) = 14 = 12
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 5, 5) = 18 = 15
4d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 3, 5) = 18 = 15

I like that just fine! Will consider options and get something posted soon.

Also I second madcaster's question about future levelling.

edit: Are background skills in play?


GM Choon wrote:
You are like family to me, and because of that I'm going to throw a select group of you out of the frying pan of this recruitment and into the fire of Rappan Athuk! You're so lucky!

Something about that sentence just really does it for me. And based on a small sample of your past posts, I can expect more like this if I am selected.

The six point buy special:

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 4, 2) = 12 10

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 5, 6) = 16 14

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 6, 1, 5) = 13 12

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 2, 2) = 11 9

Who developed this software?:

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 4, 4) = 12 11

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 1, 1) = 7 6

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 1, 3) = 11 10

4d6: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 1, 5) = 13 12

Totally unrelated to my extreme luck, I've begun to wonder if I should prepare a backup character. I will be going for the 15 point buy.

Is the 18 and 8 we get before racials, or can we modify them? I guess it's not my first choice to play a character with an 8 in an ability score, mostly because I'm so perfect in every way myself. I've got all the qualities, like uh...modesty and stuff.

If I write a really great backstory which took me many hours and is over a thousand words, will it be any better for my odds of getting in than a ten minute version? I tend to prefer the former, mostly because I like to write about myself (because pride and arrogance), but also a little bit also because I just like to write in general.


4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 2, 1) = 7
4d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 3, 5) = 16
4d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 1, 6) = 16
4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 6, 1) = 11

Let's see what that amounts to.

6, 14, 15, 10. I'll grab the point buy real quick.

Edit: Are we allowed to multiclass? This half gestalt thing might well be an opportunity to get a mystic theurge to work.


I love me some high lethality, Choon... or may I say Thoon?

And I feel specially heroic, so before even rolling for my stats I proclame that my submission will be modelled after Arthur Pendragon and his Knights.

Now onwards to the rolling!
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 1 ⇒ (1, 2, 3, 4) - 1 = 9
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 2 ⇒ (3, 6, 2, 4) - 2 = 13
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 3 ⇒ (3, 3, 3, 4) - 3 = 10
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 2 ⇒ (2, 4, 4, 5) - 2 = 13
Unless you meant 'under 15 point buy' while taking into account the Focus and Foible, I think this guarantees a reroll.

Statty Stat: 4d6 - 1 ⇒ (3, 5, 1, 1) - 1 = 9
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 6, 3, 1) - 1 = 13
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 1 ⇒ (2, 5, 1, 2) - 1 = 9
Statty Stat: 4d6 - 4 ⇒ (4, 6, 6, 6) - 4 = 18

Well, this is nice. Not the nicest, as the character will be flawed as all heroes should, but nice indeed.


Love lethality. Let's see what the dice say.

4d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 2, 4) = 17
4d6 ⇒ (4, 6, 6, 6) = 22
4d6 ⇒ (4, 4, 4, 6) = 18
4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 4, 6) = 16

That'll do.

18 / 18 / 15 / 14 / 13 / 8

Shadow Lodge

1.5 gestalt... weird but whatever
I'll be going aegis 2/soulknife 4


I missed the rerolls being allowed. Here goes:

4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 5, 4) = 13¨
4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 5, 5) = 22
4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 3, 4) = 12
4d6 ⇒ (3, 6, 2, 6) = 17

11, 17, 10, 15 - that's a 20 point buy.

Edit: Any chance you'd allow me to reverse the FAQ about wizards and prestige classes? It says they don't get extra spells known when gaining new spellcaster levels from PRCs, which is pretty hard to deal with, given the fact that we're stuck in the wilderness.


Was Spheres of Power allowed?


Philo Pharynx wrote:
Was Spheres of Power allowed?
Quote:
Paizo material is allowed. Dreamscarred Psionics material is also allowed. The Technology Guide is not allowed. Path of War is not allowed. Spheres of Power or Might are not allowed.

There you go.


themadcaster wrote:
I have a question about this 1.5 gestalt. Let's say I'm a Wizard 4//Barbarian 2. I get BAB and saves of the wizard, 2 levels of Barbarian HP and skills and 2 levels of Wizard HP and skills. On the 5th level, I get everything from wizard. On the 6th, I get Barbarian HP and skills. Did I get that right?

Gestalt gives you the best of the two, so yes.

CariMac wrote:
What do we use for hit points per level? Average? Roll?

Ahh. I had a feeling I was forgetting something. Use average for simplicity's sake. I've already made it more complicated than normal.

Gaurwaith wrote:
GM Choon wrote:
You are like family to me, and because of that I'm going to throw a select group of you out of the frying pan of this recruitment and into the fire of Rappan Athuk! You're so lucky!
Something about that sentence just really does it for me. And based on a small sample of your past posts, I can expect more like this if I am selected.

Thanks. I do my best.

Ierox wrote:
Edit: Are we allowed to multiclass? This half gestalt thing might well be an opportunity to get a mystic theurge to work.

As long as you're clearly documenting where your moving bits are/are coming from I'm game.

Quote:
Edit: Any chance you'd allow me to reverse the FAQ about wizards and prestige classes? It says they don't get extra spells known when gaining new spellcaster levels from PRCs, which is pretty hard to deal with, given the fact that we're stuck in the wilderness.

I'll have to look into that one. I hadn't seen that FAQ...

Lord Fowl II wrote:
1.5 gestalt... weird but whatever

What can I say, I'm feeling experimental.

I'm delighted with so much interest already! Maybe two weeks was too long a time frame!


4d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 4, 5) = 11 = 10
4d6 ⇒ (1, 5, 4, 1) = 11 = 10
4d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 3, 5) = 12 = 11
4d6 ⇒ (3, 6, 2, 3) = 14 = 12
So 3-pt buy

Reroll:

4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 4, 3) = 10 = 9
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 5, 1) = 14 = 13
4d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 5, 5) = 18 = 16
4d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 1, 5) = 13 = 12
And 14-pt buy

I'll see if I can come up with something...

Shadow Lodge

4d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 4, 2) = 15 13
4d6 ⇒ (4, 5, 1, 3) = 13 12
4d6 ⇒ (4, 1, 6, 4) = 15 14
4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 4, 3) = 14 12

That's pretty solid stats there but it's 12 point buy so I might as well check the re-roll

4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 5, 3) = 19 16
4d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 3, 2) = 13 11
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 2, 5) = 15 13
4d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 5, 6) = 17 15

I'll go with that one

Stats after racial mods

Str 8
Dex 13
Con 15
Int 16
Wis 20
Cha 11

Level 20 build
Soulknife 10/soul forge 10/aegis 5/psiwarrior 5


GM Choon wrote:


I'll have to look into that one. I hadn't seen that FAQ...

This link should take you to the FAQ. Also the text of it here:

Quote:

Prestige Classes and Spellcasters: Does a wizard (or other character that uses a spellbook), receive bonus spells to add to his spellbook when he gains a level in a prestige class that grants an increase to spellcasting?

No. The increase to his spellcasting level does not grant any other benefits, except for spells per day, spells known (for spontaneous casters), and an increase to his overall caster level. He must spend time and gold to add new spells to his spellbook.


Definitely interested. Let's see what I can come up with

4d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 1, 6, 6) - 1 = 18
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (1, 4, 3, 2) - 1 = 9
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 1, 2, 3) - 1 = 11
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (5, 2, 5, 5) - 2 = 15

That would give me 18 18 15 11 9 8
That should give me something pretty interesting.

Shadow Lodge

Ierox, you could just go spontaneous casting


Lord Foul II wrote:
Ierox, you could just go spontaneous casting

Yeah, I'll definitely do it if I have to. I just like prepared casting better.


I will keep the FAQ in place, however, there is a town nearby where you could purchase spells. Retreating from the dungeon is a possibility. Running away in this one isn't a sign of cowardice. Usually.


What do you know... just missed the cutoff in another gestalt RA recruitment.

FYI I was in a RA campaign that started at first level and died around when we made second level. I remember a few encounters, vaguely.

This is how we roll:

18 = 18
8 = 8
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (6, 2, 4, 5) - 2 = 15
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (6, 1, 5, 4) - 1 = 15
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (6, 2, 3, 6) - 2 = 15
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (1, 4, 5, 2) - 1 = 11

Yeah, that is totally workable.

The 1.5 gestalt idea is interesting. How does it work with Saves? Do you just take the better of the two even though one is 2 levels behind the other?

The idea that I just tried to submit (but missed the deadline) was an Oracle/Ranger. I don't think that idea would work well with the 1.5 thing since the animal companion would fall badly behind (ranger would be the 2nd class there).

I think I will go Oracle 4/Paladin 2. Make a healer Oradin, basically.


Dotting in, since I showed my interest in the other thread. The half gestalt thing is kind of interesting.

Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 2, 2) = 9 => 7
Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 5, 5) = 15 => 13
Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 4, 5) = 15 => 13
Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 6, 3) = 17 => 14

7 point buy, there, rerolling.

Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 6, 6) = 24 => 18
Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 6, 4, 3) = 14 => 13
Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 5, 4) = 15 => 12
Roll: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 1, 1) = 13 => 12

Well, I think we'll take that one. Makes the spread a bit odd, but I can come up with something to do with 18, 18, 13, 12, 12, 8.


I am interested and it looks like a lot of others are too! Seems you'll have a good game of Rappan Athuk on your hands Choon.

I feel the half Gestalt may end up being... not worthless, but a bit finicky. Since it doesn't grant BAB it can't really give fighting ability to a caster. As for casters as the half-gestalt, for say a Sorcerer you would't have 2nd level spells until 8th level! That's later than a Paladin with high Charisma or Ranger with high Wisdom or just a Bloodrager. So it also doesn't give much casting ability to a martial. I would almost rather not have it, but I can see it grants a bit of versatility (and possibly some survivability depending on the class you choose) with very little power boost, so maybe that's what you are going for? I don't mean this little rant to offend! I am interested in the thought process behind this half gestalt.


4d6 ⇒ (5, 4, 4, 4) = 17 = 13
4d6 ⇒ (4, 4, 6, 5) = 19 = 15
4d6 ⇒ (3, 6, 2, 1) = 12 = 11
4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 2, 4) = 9 = 8

4d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 5, 1) = 13 = 12
4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 1, 1) = 7 = 6
4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 4, 4) = 19 = 15
4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 4, 5) = 17 = 14


That is basically it. I wanted to give some options and versatility to a class without me having to re-write half or more of the dungeon. So a martial could gain a few useful spells or a caster could get a HD bump and everyone ends up with more skills overall. It's a bit awkward, I'll readily admit, but with some careful attention to what came in where I feel that it could be a kind of middle ground between full gestalt and normal progression. This will naturally favor secondary classes that have more going for them early like monk or fighter, but I don't know for sure. So I'm going for it to see if it sticks. What better way to test a crazy idea than with a super dungeon!


Fair enough! Thank you for answering. I'd like to give it a shot then and see how it pans out.

4d6 - 1 ⇒ (3, 2, 3, 1) - 1 = 8
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (2, 6, 5, 3) - 2 = 14
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (2, 5, 6, 4) - 2 = 15
4d6 - 3 ⇒ (5, 3, 5, 5) - 3 = 15
13 point buy... Reroll here I come! (Oops, completely miscounted, that's a 17 point buy, no reroll for me, ignore the great stats below... :( )

4d6 - 5 ⇒ (6, 5, 6, 6) - 5 = 18
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (1, 3, 1, 5) - 1 = 9
4d6 - 4 ⇒ (4, 5, 4, 6) - 4 = 15
4d6 - 3 ⇒ (3, 6, 4, 6) - 3 = 16
I cannot say anything bad about a 33 point buy on four stats.

That gives me an array of 18, 18, 16, 15, 9, 8
18, 15, 15, 14, 8, 8

Choon, how do you feel about Paladin and Unchained Rogue together, do you think Sneak Attack goes against what a Paladin should be?


Sneak attacks may go against your code depending on how you define honor. It's a shaky paring at best unless you include a casing of Redemption (Atonement?) in your things purchased and in your backstory.


Peet wrote:
I think I will go Oracle 4/Paladin 2. Make a healer Oradin, basically.

GM Choon:

Question #1: Would you allow a Gillman character? It's a relatively weak race overall.

Question #2: Would you allow a Gillman character to use the human favored class bonus for oracles? The four FCBs for Gillmen that are listed are all identical to the human bonuses for the same class. They are also only core classes.

If not I would probably go for a planetouched race.


Quick question: DSP Psionics are allowed, does that include the psionic races or are races restricted to Paizo?


Slayde77 wrote:
Quick question: DSP Psionics are allowed, does that include the psionic races or are races restricted to Paizo?

Races, feats, etc. Are allowed.

Looking into the Gillman


I'll keep thinking on it, but I'm drawing a bit of a blank, to be honest, regarding this. I have ideas, but I can't really get behind any of them as of yet, unfortunately. It's really interesting to see everybody's concepts, though!


Cool.
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (2, 1, 1, 1) - 2 = 3
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (6, 1, 6, 5) - 2 = 16
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (3, 1, 3, 1) - 2 = 6
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (5, 5, 6, 5) - 2 = 19
I don't even think there is a point-buy for "3". Wouldn't know how to play that anyway. Rerolling....

4d6 - 2 ⇒ (1, 3, 3, 5) - 2 = 10
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (6, 3, 4, 3) - 2 = 14
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (6, 2, 1, 3) - 2 = 10
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (1, 6, 2, 1) - 2 = 8

And again...
OK. Well Looks like I'm buying...

St 13 Dx 18 Cn 12 iT 16 wS 12 cH 08 Elven Archer/Transmuter


4d6 - 1 ⇒ (2, 3, 1, 5) - 1 = 10
4d6 - 2 ⇒ (2, 2, 2, 6) - 2 = 10
4d6 - 3 ⇒ (4, 3, 5, 3) - 3 = 12
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (5, 1, 2, 6) - 1 = 13

Reroll:
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 5, 1, 3) - 1 = 12
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 2, 2, 1) - 1 = 8
4d6 - 1 ⇒ (4, 1, 4, 2) - 1 = 10
4d6 - 3 ⇒ (3, 6, 6, 5) - 3 = 17

Will take point buy.


1: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 5, 4) = 16 = 14
2: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 5, 4) = 20 = 16
3: 4d6 ⇒ (4, 1, 6, 4) = 15 = 14
4: 4d6 ⇒ (4, 1, 4, 2) = 11 = 10

I'll stick with that. :)

Question about the Traits.

Did you mean a final total of 2 Traits and 1 Drawback?

Just wanted to clarify since taking a Drawback gives an additional Trait.

Shadow Lodge

GM Choon wrote:
Sneak attacks may go against your code depending on how you define honor. It's a shaky paring at best unless you include a casing of Redemption (Atonement?) in your things purchased and in your backstory.

actually it really depends on the deity

In pathfinder there are specific paladin stuff for each deity

For example Apsu

Quote:

Paladins of Apsu valiantly follow the dragon god’s tenets of holy vigilance against evil. Those following the rigid code of a paladin must sacrifice the sedentary lifestyle of living in a single place in exchange for continuous travel and hardship. The tenets of such paladins include the following maxims.

I am the talon of Apsu’s wrath. I strike where I am needed, but only when evil has been unmasked and there can be no doubt of my enemy’s malice.
When my purpose is unclear, I will walk the roads of the world to find a fresh focus. Every road leads to a new beginning.
Nothing is worth sacrificing my life for, except protecting the lives of others. I will retreat when needed, and come back to vex my foes once again.
Mercy is offered, but only once. Should I be betrayed in my moment of kindness, I will not stop until I have put my enemy down.
It is not enough to slay evil and carry on. I will spend the time necessary to help those I’ve protected to fend for themselves.


Hmm... thinking of Rogue/Aegis

I think I'll try for my stat reroll

4d6 ⇒ (1, 5, 4, 5) = 15 =14
4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 6, 6) = 24 =18
4d6 ⇒ (4, 5, 3, 5) = 17 =14
4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 2, 3) = 9 =7

hmmm...

18, 18, 14, 14, 8, 7.

Interesting.


Brain_in_a_Jar wrote:


Question about the Traits.

Did you mean a final total of 2 Traits and 1 Drawback?

Just wanted to clarify since taking a Drawback gives an additional Trait.

Yes, that's the final total.


18 / 18 / 15 / 14 / 13 / 8

Rough draft.

Rough Draft Crunch:

Main Class: Paladin
Seconday Class: Dual Cursed Oracle of the Godclaw
- Lvl 2 applies
- Lvl 4 applies

Race: Aasimar
- Outsider (Darkvision)
- Celestial Resistance (Acid, Cold, Electricity 5)
- Skilled (Diplomacy and Perception +2)
- Spell Like Ability (Daylight 1 per day)

Traits
* Fate's Favored (+1 to luck bonus)
* Holy Tattoo (When you had your deity’s holy symbol tattooed on your body by a tattooist years ago, you never imagined it would save your life. Benefit(s): Your holy symbol tattoo functions in all ways as a holy symbol. When you use your holy symbol tattoo to keep a vampire at bay, the DC for the vampire to overcome its revulsion is 28 (rather than the normal 25).)

Drawback
* Vainglory (You take a –1 penalty on Bluff, Disguise, and Stealth checks, and the save DC of any illusion you create is 1 lower than normal.)

Str (18) Dex (13) Con (18) Int (8) Wis (16) Cha (18) HP (44) Saves (+12/+6/+11) AC (21/11/20) CMD (19)

Feats
Lvl 1: Power Attack
Lvl 3: Furious Focus

Equipment
* Falchion +1: To Hit (+9) Damage (2d4+12, 18-20 x2) +2 hit and dmg with DF
* Full Plate +1 (+10 AC, +1 max dex, -5 ACP)
* Paladin's Kit
* 100ish gold

Skills 1 odd levels, 3 even levels, +1 FCB
* Diplomacy: 3 skill points (+12)
* Perception: 4 skill points (+12)
* Sense Motive: 1 skill point (+7)
* Knowledge Religion: 4 skill points (+6)

Background Skills
* Knowledge History: 4 skill points (+6)
* Knowkedge Nobility: 4 skill points (+6)

Paladin (4)
Lvl 1: Aura of good, detect evil, smite evil 1/day
Lvl 2: Divine Grace, lay on hands
Lvl 3: Aura of courage, divine health, mercy
Lvl 4: Channel positive energy, smite evil 2/day

Lvl 1 Spells
* 1x hero's defiance (Allows the use of lay on hands while falling unconscious.)

Oracle (2)
* Revelation
Lvl 1: Misfortune
* Curses
- Advances: Legalistic (Whenever you break your word (either purposefully or unintentionally), you become sickened for 24 hours or until you meet your obligation, whichever comes first. However, once per day, you can make a vow to yourself that grants a +4 morale bonus on any one roll you make while trying to fulfill a promise made to another individual.)
- Doesn't Advance: Tongues (Celestial)

Oracle Lvl 0 Spells
* Detect Magic
* Create Water
* Light
* Detect Poison
* Stabilize

Oracle Lvl 1 Spells 5 per day
* Divine Favor
* Cure Light Wounds

Quite happy with him. Paladin, so he has good saves. Great rolling means that he hits hard. 1.5 gestalt gives him enough lvl0 and lvl1 Spells to be interesting. Oracle revelation is misfortune...a truly amazing ability for any party to have.

However, he has serious limitations. (1) He can't lie. Well, he can...but it will make him sickened. (2) In times of stress he can only speak Celestial. That is the opposite of good. (3) He is not very smart. (4) He is heroic! And again, not very smart. While the drawback is vainglory, what this means is that he is loud, confident and tends to take direct approaches. Even when he shouldn't. (5) He is pretty slow...20ft movement in his armor. Comes with the style, but due to Mystery choice he can't really improve that.

So a lot of strengths. Has some pretty glaring weaknesses. Will get an alias and background up soon.


Neat, I may just pitch my hat in the ring.

Scarab Sages

Lord Foul II wrote:
GM Choon wrote:
Sneak attacks may go against your code depending on how you define honor. It's a shaky paring at best unless you include a casing of Redemption (Atonement?) in your things purchased and in your backstory.

actually it really depends on the deity

In pathfinder there are specific paladin stuff for each deity

For example Apsu

Quote:

Paladins of Apsu valiantly follow the dragon god’s tenets of holy vigilance against evil. Those following the rigid code of a paladin must sacrifice the sedentary lifestyle of living in a single place in exchange for continuous travel and hardship. The tenets of such paladins include the following maxims.

I am the talon of Apsu’s wrath. I strike where I am needed, but only when evil has been unmasked and there can be no doubt of my enemy’s malice.
When my purpose is unclear, I will walk the roads of the world to find a fresh focus. Every road leads to a new beginning.
Nothing is worth sacrificing my life for, except protecting the lives of others. I will retreat when needed, and come back to vex my foes once again.
Mercy is offered, but only once. Should I be betrayed in my moment of kindness, I will not stop until I have put my enemy down.
It is not enough to slay evil and carry on. I will spend the time necessary to help those I’ve protected to fend for themselves.

Very well. That would be acceptable. It still strikes me as slightly odd, but it is within the rules I set out, so ok!

Scarab Sages

I'm going to have to say no to the Gillman. I'd prefer to stay within the constraints I set up above. Sorry.

Edit: I recognize that it's not a strong race, but I've had a hard time closing that can of worms in the past.

Shadow Lodge

Some other deities would not appreciate sneak attack/dirty tricks but Apsu says "do whatever it takes to survive/save others"

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