Sap + Deadly enchantment + sap adept + sap master?

[DragonBard]

Hi all, I’ve looked everywhere that I can online and I don’t see that anyone even mentions this combination.

Sap + Deadly enchantment + sap adept + sap master
This should give lethal damage to a sap, and the extra lethal damage due to the feats.

Questions:
1) Does this combination work?
2) Do the feats not work with the Deadly enchantment because the feats say “non lethal”
3) Does it not work because the feats say “when a weapon does non lethal damage” implying the weapon can do lethal damage. For example a mace doing non lethal damage?
4) Some other reason?

It would be cool if it did work though. Thanks.

[GM PDK]

Can you please quote what each feat or ability does?

[Gisher]

If your weapon is dealing lethal damage then your Sneak Attack damage will also be lethal. Sap Adept and Sap Master both state that they require your Sneak Attack damage to be non-lethal, and so they won't function if your weapon is dealing lethal damage.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

Basically what Gisher said. The feats only trigger on non-lethal attacks. The damage you deal with the Sap and Deadly combination is lethal. Therefore, the feats won't apply.

Even if you got a Mace with the Merciful enhancement, the sneak attack damage is lethal, which means the feats won't apply.

Both the weapon damage and the sneak attack must be non-lethal by default for the feats to apply.

[DragonBard]

Cool. Thanks. =^)

It looked like a pretty awesome combo. Oh well.

[Gisher]

If you stick with non-lethal damage, Sap Adept and Sap Master do work well with things like Enforcer and the Sapping Weapon Special Ability.

[Syries]

Enforcer twf sap user with sap master and Shatter Defenses does a ton of damage in nonlethal. A slayer with the menacing ranger combat style excels in that, and that makes for a really fun combo.

At level 7 you're at 4 attacks that deal a bonus of 8d6+6 NL per attack in addition to normal weapon damage. It's a very feat intensive build, requiring Accomplished Sneak Attacker, improved TWF, and sap master, but it works!