Attribute drainage


Rules Questions


Say I am in battle and somebody uses Ray of Exhaustion on me, I have a base of 7 STR and 14 Dex, now debuffed to 1 STR and 8 Dex. What happens to a character once he's at 1 Str? Surely he can't do much, he would be encumbered severely also. What else would happen? Thanks for your feedback.


well you would probably enter a heavy load taking the heavy load penalties you would lose a bunch of ac your cmd would be practically nothing


it do not really say what happen when you are over your capacity, the only thing i was able to find is this.

Carrying Capacity wrote:
A character can lift as much as double his maximum load off the ground, but he or she can only stagger around with it. While overloaded in this way, the character loses any Dexterity bonus to AC and can move only 5 feet per round (as a full-round action).

so the best thing i can say is that you are denied your dexterity to AC and can only move 5 feet as a full round action, also you take all the penalty for being in heavy load.

which are, Max Dex to AC of 1, an ACP of –6, speed of 20 feet if 30 feet, 15 feet if 20 feet and run to 3 time your speed instead of 4 time your speed.


Atalius wrote:
Say I am in battle and somebody uses Ray of Exhaustion on me, I have a base of 7 STR and 14 Dex, now debuffed to 1 STR and 8 Dex. What happens to a character once he's at 1 Str? Surely he can't do much, he would be encumbered severely also. What else would happen? Thanks for your feedback.

Well, apart from the severe encumbrance/overencumbrance penalties, one more point of STR drainage and your character is dead.


Yorien wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Say I am in battle and somebody uses Ray of Exhaustion on me, I have a base of 7 STR and 14 Dex, now debuffed to 1 STR and 8 Dex. What happens to a character once he's at 1 Str? Surely he can't do much, he would be encumbered severely also. What else would happen? Thanks for your feedback.
Well, apart from the severe encumbrance/overencumbrance penalties, one more point of STR drainage and your character is dead.

not quite only a con of 0 outright kills but an str of 0 makes it very easy for you to be killed

A character with a Strength score of 0 is too weak to move in any way and is unconscious.

A character with a Dexterity score of 0 is incapable of moving and is effectively immobile (but not unconscious).

A character with a Constitution score of 0 is dead.

A character with an Intelligence score of 0 is comatose

A character with a Wisdom score of 0 is incapable of rational thought and is unconscious.

A character with a Charisma score of 0 is not able to exert himself in any way and is unconscious.


Yorien wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Say I am in battle and somebody uses Ray of Exhaustion on me, I have a base of 7 STR and 14 Dex, now debuffed to 1 STR and 8 Dex. What happens to a character once he's at 1 Str? Surely he can't do much, he would be encumbered severely also. What else would happen? Thanks for your feedback.
Well, apart from the severe encumbrance/overencumbrance penalties, one more point of STR drainage and your character is dead.

only CON damage can kill a character, every other stat make you unconscious and helpless, only the shadow say that if it damage your STR to 0 you are killed and if you are an humanoid you are now a shadow

The Abilities wrote:

A character with a Strength score of 0 is too weak to move in any way and is unconscious.

A character with a Dexterity score of 0 is incapable of moving and is effectively immobile (but not unconscious).

A character with a Constitution score of 0 is dead.

A character with an Intelligence score of 0 is comatose.

A character with a Wisdom score of 0 is incapable of rational thought and is unconscious.

A character with a Charisma score of 0 is not able to exert himself in any way and is unconscious.

Edit: got ninja'd by Lady-J


Carrying Capacity wrote:
A character can lift as much as double his maximum load off the ground, but he or she can only stagger around with it. While overloaded in this way, the character loses any Dexterity bonus to AC and can move only 5 feet per round (as a full-round action).

If those are the rules for carrying up to double maximum load, that implies that when you find yourself carrying more than double your maximum load, you can't lift the weight off the ground, you fall prone, and you can't stand up until you get rid of some stuff.


If a character goes below a feats prereq through this temporary attribute drain would they not be able to use the particular feat? (Ie. point blank shot, precise shot etc)


Note that exhaustion is an 'attribute penalty', not 'drain',

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A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables.
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Ability Score Damage, Penalty, and Drain

Diseases, poisons, spells, and other abilities can all deal damage directly to your ability scores. This damage does not actually reduce an ability, but it does apply a penalty to the skills and statistics that are based on that ability.

For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability. If the amount of ability damage you have taken equals or exceeds your ability score, you immediately fall unconscious until the damage is less than your ability score...
Some spells and abilities cause you to take an ability penalty for a limited amount of time. While in effect, these penalties function just like ability damage, but they cannot cause you to fall unconscious or die. In essence, penalties cannot decrease your ability score to less than 1.

Ability Drain: Ability drain actually reduces the relevant ability score. Modify all skills and statistics related to that ability. This might cause you to lose skill points, hit points, and other bonuses. Ability drain can be healed through the use of spells such as restoration.

So, attribute drain would disable your ability to use feats, but attribute penalties act like attribute damage, only applying penalties to numbers and not lowering the stat itself. So I think you could still use Precise Shot.


Ahh thank you


Atalius wrote:
Say I am in battle and somebody uses Ray of Exhaustion on me, I have a base of 7 STR and 14 Dex, now debuffed to 1 STR and 8 Dex. What happens to a character once he's at 1 Str? Surely he can't do much, he would be encumbered severely also. What else would happen? Thanks for your feedback.

They really buffed ray of exhaustion while I was between tables!


Was there a time when Ray of Exhaustion did something else?

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