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Enemy hit with amnesia due to a curse


Rules Questions


http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/afflictions/madness/amnesia/

What constitutes class abilities? Spells I would guess but what else?

Grand Lodge

Amnesia wrote:
He retains his base attack bonus, base saving throw bonuses, combat maneuver bonus, combat maneuver defense, total experience points, and hit dice (and hit points), but everything else is gone

I don't think you have to go any further than that. Everything else.


Even racial things like immune to sleep and other racial features?

Grand Lodge

Those are not class abilities.


That's what I was wondering what are some class abilities


class ability is anything that come from a class, aka class feature, like the aura of the paladin is a class ability, spellcasting is a class ability if it comes from a class, weapon training is a class ability.

do i need to tell you all the ability of a class so you are not confused about what is the class ability from a specific class or you are alright?


Look at the enemy's race entry. Anything listed there is stuff they keep.

Look at the enemy's class entry. Anything there aside from the listed exceptions are lost.

So for example, an elf fighter would keep their elf racial weapon proficiencies, but lose proficiency with all other weapons.


Ahh thank you all


Wait wait wait... how official is this amnesia? I get that not everything may be clinical or realistically-based, but is this some super, horror adventure amnesia?

Forgetting her name makes a paladin suddenly vulnerable to fear and disease? They lose the aura of goodness and purity because they can't remember that they have a twin sister?

I might understand a familiar or an animal companion just lingering around but being useless because there's no 'connection' (it certainly shouldn't just vanish) but, a druid forgets the name of his wolf companion and suddenly... they've also forgotten that venom doesn't harm them and that means it does?

Feats too? I get that Toughness' benefit might squeak past, since even if the feat is lost the hit points might stay (if your GM is nice), but someone with Great Fortitude is suddenly less tough because they forget that they're naturally tougher?

That seems really harsh. I certainly know what a class ability is, but, I think they could have put a bit more thought or exceptions in there.


Pizza Lord wrote:

Wait wait wait... how official is this amnesia? I get that not everything may be clinical or realistically-based, but is this some super, horror adventure amnesia?

Forgetting her name makes a paladin suddenly vulnerable to fear and disease? They lose the aura of goodness and purity because they can't remember that they have a twin sister?

I might understand a familiar or an animal companion just lingering around but being useless because there's no 'connection' (it certainly shouldn't just vanish) but, a druid forgets the name of his wolf companion and suddenly... they've also forgotten that venom doesn't harm them and that means it does?

Feats too? I get that Toughness' benefit might squeak past, since even if the feat is lost the hit points might stay (if your GM is nice), but someone with Great Fortitude is suddenly less tough because they forget that they're naturally tougher?

That seems really harsh. I certainly know what a class ability is, but, I think they could have put a bit more thought or exceptions in there.

Its a beautiful spell


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

It's neither retrograde amnesia nor anterograde amnesia. It's magic amnesia. It makes you forget just what it says it does.


Okay, so just to be clear... a cloudy-eyed oracle can suddenly see again... because they can't remember their birthday? A deaf oracle is no longer cursed and can suddenly hear again... because they can't remember that they are cursed with deafness? The curse of lycanthropy doesn't apply either because you only turn into a werewolf when you know you're a werewolf? The Legalistic curse, where if you break a covenant (either willingly or unintentionally and unknowingly) doesn't count anymore because you unknowingly made a vow and broke it unintentionally because you can't remember it?

Blackened Hands curse:
PC 1:"Hey, why are your hands all shriveled and black?"
PC 2: Looks down at them, "I don't remember. Hands turn perfectly normal.

I can see clearly how the Amnesia affliction is written and what its effects are but... I am gonna say they need to make some adjustments. It's like creating a Diarrhea condition and saying it gives the victim a -5 movement penalty because of swollen joints. We could maybe believe diarrhea causes that but... we'd also likely assumed they missed the point and could have gone with a different name, like 'swollen joints'.

Again, not at odds with the answers to this post, just a bit flabbergasted at the possible ramifications of forgetting how to look and listen. Not only do you get no ranks to Perception, I guess you forget how good your hearing is... I might somehow assume that you've 'trained' yourself to listen and look at things, but there's a whole -4 penalty above and beyond such ranks. Also, is Linguistics a skill? You also forget how to read and write and speak as well... but only if you have ranks?


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One word: Magic.


the curse of lycanthropy is not a class ability dude, you only lost you class ability feat and skill rank, the rest you keep it, and like JDLPF and Saethori has said its magic its not normal amnesia but a magical one


John Murdock wrote:
the curse of lycanthropy is not a class ability dude ...

I think it is blatantly obvious that Pizza Lord was referring to the lycantrophy curse of the orcale in his list, which is a class feature ....

Shadow Lodge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8

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I think oracles would keep their curse (at least the drawback portions of it).

prd wrote:
The oracle's curse cannot be removed or dispelled without the aid of a deity.

Even though amnesia would normally remove the curse, since it's a class feature, the specific rules of the curse make it un-removable.


Maxxx wrote:
John Murdock wrote:
the curse of lycanthropy is not a class ability dude ...
I think it is blatantly obvious that Pizza Lord was referring to the lycantrophy curse of the orcale in his list, which is a class feature ....

oh sorry then i don't really know the oracle that's why


Atalius wrote:
It's a beautiful spell
Saethori wrote:
... It's magic amnesia. ...
JDLPF wrote:
One word: Magic.
John Murdock wrote:
... and like JDLPF and Saethori has said its magic ...

I can see where in the title of the thread that the amnesia might be inflicted by a curse, likely bestow curse, so while that spell might be considered magic, I just don't see where you are getting that the amnesia affliction is otherwise magic. I am going by the link posted by the OP and it looks like it can also be caused by insanity which is also a magic spell but wouldn't make the condition itself magical, ie. it shouldn't go away in an antimagic field. It can also be caused by any suitably horrific or stressful situation or mental trauma. I see nothing indicating the condition is otherwise supernatural or magical. So while in the case of bestow curse specifically, there might be magic maintaining the amnesia, I don't see how any claims that amnesia is 'supernatural' can be used to allow it to have reality-bending power.


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Any content listed under columns in a class' class table that are not Level, Base Attack Bonus, or base saving throw bonuses, are generally considered class abilities.

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