Wizard scribing scrolls for another?


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Can a wizard scribe a scroll for another I.E. paladin and wizard are comrades the wizard scribes scrolls. Can the wizard scribe a scroll for the paladin if he has help from the paladin?


RAW seems to say yes, though there are people who disagree.


For scrolls it is a bit trickier. Scrolls are actually classified as arcane or divine, unlike wands or staves. The scroll must be the appropriate type to be used. Wizards create arcane scrolls, paladins need divine scrolls.

If the wizard is scribing the scroll (providing the Scribe Scroll feat) while the spell comes from the paladin, would the scroll be an arcane scroll (and unsuable for the paladin) or a divine scroll? The actual creator is an arcane caster, but the spell supplier is divine.


Also, different pricing from scrolls belonging to different arcane or divine classes makes me think that a wizard wouldn't be able to cast from a scroll made by a bard, am I right?


It would be a divine scroll.


Kileanna wrote:
Also, different pricing from scrolls belonging to different arcane or divine classes makes me think that a wizard wouldn't be able to cast from a scroll made by a bard, am I right?

Sure, it's an arcane scroll. No problems, as long as the spell is on his list and he's high enough level to cast it.


Glad to hear that, as I had my doubts and the Wizard in my party has been creating scrolls for my Witch so she can learn the spells too.
I was afraid of not doing it right.
I guessed the different pricing for the different classes comes from the different CL they need to have to create them because of the different spell progression but the doubt came to mind and I had to ask.


Since, to the best of my knowledge, the scribe mus provide the spell himself (have it in memory) when it comes to scribing scrolls, I'd say that as per teh Rulez, it's not allowed and the Pally must take Scribe Scrolls for himself... then again, it's your table, and if you feel a scribe can write for another, do what you feel you must... but I'd set the scroll costs, caster level etc by the person providing the actual spell, not the scribe.

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The spell must be known by the person with the Scribe Scroll feat. A second person can't provide the spell for the person with the feat.

The very first line of the Scribe Scroll feat reads:
You can create a scroll of any spell that you know.

The wizard in your example can only scribe arcane scrolls of spells he personally knows. If the paladin also took the Scribe Scroll feat, he would be able to create divine scrolls of spells he knew.


I'd also go with a No, it's not possible. The Scroll creation rules state the following:

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...The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires. A material component is consumed when she begins writing, but a focus is not. (A focus used in scribing a scroll can be reused.) The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)...

Thus, the scroll's creator can only scribe spells he has prepared or knows, depending on class.

The only way I think a Wizard could do that should be by using Cooperative Crafting, since that feat allows prerequisites other than skills or feats to be provided by any of the crafters. Since the spell is the prerequisite for scribing, it should work...

But... while CC would allow the spell being provided by the Pally and scribed by the wizard... the Pally still is required to know the scribe scroll feat... so he could just write down the spell himself


Yeah, this has been discussed many, many, many times. This prerequisite can be satisfied by substituting another caster or even magic item in all cases.

Now, rings, wondrous items, and other non-trigger/completion items can bypass the spell prerequisite altogether. However, the prerequisite does not have to be satisfied by the caster alone. From the rules:

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Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item’s creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by 5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites.

The prerequisite can be supplied through magic item, other spellcaster. Scrolls/potions/wands/staves must have prerequisite supplied (but not only by the crafter).

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+1 _Ozy_

Yes this has been discussed many many times.

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