First off, I am familiar with the FAQ that states DD advances bloodrager bloodline powers.
I'm mostly concerned about the vague wording in the blood of dragons class feature, which says: "If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained."
This ability does not clearly state whether this counts as having the draconic bloodline, or merely grants the powers at the associated levels. This is relevant because bloodrager states: "If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type."
A bloodrager without the draconic bloodline still qualifies for the prestige class, and all of the rules for non draconic classes are laid out in a way that doesn't break anything.
Thoughts?
Remember the DD prestige class created before there was a bloodrager. There is errata for the DD entry requirements that takes the bloodrager into account. A bloodrager does have to have the draconic bloodline.
What was the eratta? I'd love to put this to rest.
First off, I am familiar with the FAQ that states DD advances bloodrager bloodline powers.
I'm mostly concerned about the vague wording in the blood of dragons class feature, which says: "If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained."
This ability does not clearly state whether this counts as having the draconic bloodline, or merely grants the powers at the associated levels. This is relevant because bloodrager states: "If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type."
A bloodrager without the draconic bloodline still qualifies for the prestige class, and all of the rules for non draconic classes are laid out in a way that doesn't break anything.
Thoughts?
A bloodrager is a bloodline spontaneous class like the sorcerer. The draconic disciple requries that if you are a bloodline casting class, that bloodline has to be draconic.
He's aware of that one. He's asking if an Abyssal(for example) Bloodrager can take levels in Dragon Disciple.
He's aware of that one. He's asking if an Abyssal(for example) Bloodrager can take levels in Dragon Disciple.
Right, hence, "... being mentioned"
An Abyssal Bloodrager can't take a bloodline other than Abyssal. Dragon Disciple grants the Draconic Bloodline, which the Bloodrager cannot take, therefore he cannot take it.
An Abyssal Bloodrager can't take a bloodline other than Abyssal. Dragon Disciple grants the Draconic Bloodline, which the Bloodrager cannot take, therefore he cannot take it.
As written, Dragon Disciple only grants you Draconic Bloodline Powers, not the actual Bloodline.
If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained.
Mechanically, this is similar to the way the Eldritch Heritage feats work, and an Abyssal Bloodrager could take Eldritch Heritage (Draconic).
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I believe that they must take the Draconic bloodline as a Bloodrager.
If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his previous bloodline to make them conform.
Combine that with the Bloodrager is a hybrid of Barbarian and Sorcerer. They has synergies with those classes. In the introduction of Hybrid classes they also say:
If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline).
So it is clear if you did a Bloodrager/Sorcerer multiclassed character and then went Dragon Disciple you would need a Draconic bloodline. I do not think it unreasonable to state the bloodline restrictions from the PrC also apply to the Bloodrager.
I've gone back and read many on the old threads on the topic, and I have to wonder why the Bloodrager/DD FAQ was only one sentence long and ignored half the problem. As chess has mentioned in the past, the question I posted in the OP is as old as the playtest version of the bloodrager.
It's a bummer that many FAQ entries only address a small portion of what is being asked, then move on.