Advice on building a Psionic Dread


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I am interested in playing a Dread for a friends campaign. Preferably it will be fearing with ranged attacks, but I am open to a melee variant as well. It will start at level 5, no evil characters so no anti paladin dipping unfortunately. Any suggestions on how to build it would be greatly appreciated. If you have any other unique or interesting character builds you would like to share as well, feel free.


Just to verify- are we discussing the psionic class by the name of 'dread'?

If so, then to clarify the purpose of this thread: dreads are intimidation and fear based psionic characters. So is that the essence we are aiming for here? With a preference for ranged attacks?


Yes. I am open to a melee style build as well, if it is a more optimal way to go.


The Nightmare archetype in conjunction with broken dream style is good for running an unarmed build. A level of Master of Many Styles with ascetic style will allow you to use a weapon.


Sideslip wrote:
Yes. I am open to a melee style build as well, if it is a more optimal way to go.

I don't know too much about psionics, but one of the better general melee builds is intimidation focused.

The basic combo is cornugon smash (free action intimidation when you do a power attack) and hurtful (swift action to attack a target that gets shaken or frightened). This allows for two hits even after a move, although it is pretty much 1 use/enemy in a fight.

This is notable since you can also grab a weapon with the cruel property (when you hit a shaken or otherwise scared creature, they are also sickened). This makes the 1-2 punch into a great debuff build. Combined, the conditions give a -4 to attack and saves.

Heck, if you play a blood rager, you could grab a riving strike build on top of that. That is a feat that gives -2 to saves vs. spells when hit with arcane strike. Blood rager would be required since arcane strike and hurtful both use the swift action- blooded arcane strike is a feat that makes it a free action, freeing you up. If you add this too, you could get a -6 to spell saves.

Not sure if this is the kind of stuff you are looking for, but I might as well throw it out there to get this rolling.


So, the Bloodrager route you are suggesting, would I be scrapping the levels in Dread entirely? Dread seems like a class you need most of your levels in to really get the most out of it.....or maybe I'm wrong. I too am not very familiar with the psionics classes.

On a separate note, the Nightmare Constructor archetype seems very interesting. Summoners have always been a pretty OP class, so seems like this would be pretty strong.


Oh, no, the blood rager stuff is separate from the dread class.

I wasn't sure whether you were going for the actual dread class, or looking for a substitute (since you brought up antipaladin, which I am sure has some kind of fear build). I kind of assumed that you were not allowed psionics and you just wanted to adapt the idea.

If you are playing with psionics, then stick with dread- it is likely more custom built for this fear stuff. Just grabbing the hurtful feat to get in a sneaky shot when doing your other stuff is likely fine. At least if you have any kind of melee stats (I am not experienced with psionics, and this might end up as a ranged build).


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Oh, I wasn't sure whether you were going for the actual dread class, or looking for a substitute (since you brought up antipaladin, which I am sure has some kind of fear build). I kind of assumed that you were not allowed psionics and you just wanted to adapt the idea.

2 levels of Antipaladin = Nothing is immune to fear when you're around. Yes, really. A 2-level dip for a fear-based build is amazing if you're fine with being chaotic evil.


Being CE would not work with the rest of my party unfortunately. I have decided to go with the Nightmare Constructor archetype. I'm going to work on a build and I will post it as soon as I'm done. If you have any experience with it, feel free to post any suggestions on feats/evolutions that would be particularly good.


Build: ??? Nightmare Constructor 5
Stats (25 point buy): 7/14/14/12/12/18

YOUR BUILD:
NC1: Extra Evolution, Fearsome Insight, Telepathic Lash, Horror
NC2: Devistating Touch, Terror
NC3: Feat?, Fear Surge, Channel Terror
NC4: Terror
NC5: Extra Evolution, Bonus Feat?

YOUR EIDOLON'S BUILD: (Final Points: 8 base, 2 feats)
1 (4 Points): Quadruped (Bite, some limbs), Improved Natural Armor (1), Head (2), Pounce (1)
2 (5 Points): 1 Spare
3 (6 Points): Head (2), Bite (1)
4 (8 points): 2 Spare
5 (10 points):Head (2), Improved Natural Armor (1), Bite (1)

So, this is what I have so far, still looking into what Dread specific feats I can take and not sure on race. Any suggestions would be great.


Inlaa wrote:
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Oh, I wasn't sure whether you were going for the actual dread class, or looking for a substitute (since you brought up antipaladin, which I am sure has some kind of fear build). I kind of assumed that you were not allowed psionics and you just wanted to adapt the idea.
2 levels of Antipaladin = Nothing is immune to fear when you're around. Yes, really. A 2-level dip for a fear-based build is amazing if you're fine with being chaotic evil.

The Dread Class gets that ability too, so the dip isn't really needed.


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This is more or less the build I have made, just need items/gear now, what do you think? Open to any suggestions.

Build: CN Elan Nightmare Constructor 5
Stats (25 point buy): 7/14/14/12/12/20

YOUR BUILD:
NC1: Extra Evolution, Psionic Talent, Fearsome Insight, Telepathic Lash, Horror
NC2: Devistating Touch, Mind Lock
NC3: Open Door, Fear Surge, Channel Terror
NC4: Mind Rend
NC5: Extra Evolution, Bonus Feat:Touch of Terror

YOUR EIDOLON'S BUILD: (Final Points: 8 base, 2 feats)
1 (4 Points): Quadruped (Bite, some limbs), Improved Natural Armor (1), Head (2), Pounce (1)
2 (5 Points): 1 Spare
3 (6 Points): Head (2), Bite (1)
4 (8 points): 2 Spare
5 (10 points):Head (2), Improved Natural Armor (1), Bite (1)

If you have any other interesting build ideas as well, feel free to share them.


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Hold on, I got you:
The Nightmare archetype from PoW:E gives you access to the Black Seraph martial discipline (the intimidate focused one).
then you can focus on eventually picking up hurtful and cornugon smash. among other things.


Air0r wrote:

Hold on, I got you:

The Nightmare archetype from PoW:E gives you access to the Black Seraph martial discipline (the intimidate focused one).
then you can focus on eventually picking up hurtful and cornugon smash. among other things.

Won't be in melee at all as a Nightmare Constructor. Not looking to do the melee build, the class is too squishy to be on the front lines in light armor and not enough defensive abilities, at least as far as I can see.


Updated build and now level 6!

Build: N Elan Nightmare Constructor 5
Stats: 7/14/14/12/12/22

YOUR BUILD:
NC1: Extra Evolution, Psionic Talent, Fearsome Insight, Telepathic Lash, Horror
NC2: Devistating Touch, Mind Lock
NC3: Open Door, Fear Surge, Channel Terror
NC4: Overwhelming Fear
NC5: Extra Evolution, Bonus Feat:Touch of Terror
NC6: Improved Fear Surge

YOUR EIDOLON'S BUILD: (Points: 9 base, 2 feats)
1 (4 Points): Quadruped (Bite, some limbs), Improved Natural Armor (1), Head (2), Bite (1)
2 (5 Points): Pounce (1)
3 (6 Points): 1 Spare
4 (8 points): Head (2), Bite (1)
5 (10 points):2 Spare
6 (11 points):Head (2), Bite (1)


Any advice on dipping into another class? Anything that would be worth it?

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