Rebirth Discipline Mnemonic Esoterica and Prestige Class Prerequisites


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Mnemonic Esoterica:
By reaching into the recesses of your past lives, you gain knowledge beyond that of most psychics. Select a single additional spellcasting class. Once per day when you prepare your spells, you can add one spell from this class's spell list to your spells known and class spell list for 24 hours. This spell must be 1 level lower than the highest-level spell you can cast, and you cast it as if it were psychic magic.

You can decide to change the spellcasting class from which you draw this spell each time you gain a new level.

Certain Prestige classes have prerequisites that require the ability to cast a specific spell. For example, Animate Dead for Agent of the Grave, Command Undead for Soul Warden. Does choosing a class for mnemonic esoterica which has such a spell on it's list satisfy these requirements?

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Your GM may allow you to take prerequisite based on temporary benefits.

The real complications here are that you don't have those classes between the end of the 24 duration and redoing Mnenonic esoterica AND during all uses of Menemonic Esoterica (aka preparing spells).


Psychic wrote:

Mnemonic Esoterica (Ex)

By reaching into the recesses of your past lives, you gain knowledge beyond that of most psychics. Select a single additional spellcasting class. Once per day when you prepare your spells, you can add one spell from this class's spell list to your spells known and class spell list for 24 hours. This spell must be 1 level lower than the highest-level spell you can cast, and you cast it as if it were psychic magic.

You can decide to change the spellcasting class from which you draw this spell each time you gain a new level.

For ability score increases, it's typically considered temporary for the first 24 hours you possess it, and permanent afterward. If we apply this same principle to this scenario, we find that gaining the spell for only 24 hours falls just barely short. However, if you select the same spell for multiple days consecutively, it might count as you having it for long enough... and it might not. The rules weren't expecting a class that could learn a spell for only 24 hours at a time.

If you tried it in my game, I would allow it, with the caveat that, like feats you have to meet the prerequisites of, you have to qualify for the prestige class at the time you want to use its abilities, which may mean locking your Mnemonic Esoterica into a single spell perpetually.

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If you currently have the appropriate spellcasting class selected, then you have just as much "ability to cast" that spell as a prepared spellcaster, who may or may not have that spell actually prepared. It should work.


RainyDayNinja wrote:
If you currently have the appropriate spellcasting class selected, then you have just as much "ability to cast" that spell as a prepared spellcaster, who may or may not have that spell actually prepared. It should work.

Not necessarily. Spontaneous casters do not have the ability to qualify for such feats or prestige classes if they did not take the spell as a spell known. If they don't know the spell, they can't cast it at all.

While a Wizard or similar prepared arcane caster need only have it in their book to have a relative assurance they can cast it when need be, while prepared divine casters just need to be the right spell level.

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Saethori wrote:
While a Wizard or similar prepared arcane caster need only have it in their book to have a relative assurance they can cast it when need be, while prepared divine casters just need to be the right spell level.

If a wizard has the spell in his spellbook, but didn't prepare it (and doesn't have any open slots, or an arcane bond), he can't cast it until the next day.

If a Rebirth Discipline psychic has wizard selected as his other spellcasting class for Mnemonic Esoterica, he can, at worst, be able to cast that spell the next day.

Why should the wizard qualify and the psychic not, if they have exactly the same amount of access to the spell?


I did not say the psychic didn't qualify. I mentioned a possible interpretation of the rules.

Exactly what qualifies as a spell you can cast is mostly assumed based on the spontaneous and prepared caster split. The Rebirth Psychic is the first instance that a spontaneous caster can fluctuate their spells known with such freedom and speed, with no cost associated. As such, how it interacts with the rules is incredibly vague.

The comparison to prepared casters you mentioned has in fact swayed me, however, though I still think the actual casting class must remain one that lets you select the spell in question.

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