Guns?

[Murdock Mudeater]

The Additional Resources section for Ultimate Combat has me confused.

If I want to field a gun toting PC that isn't a gunslinger, what steps do I need to accomplish? Or is it just not allowed?

[FLite]

You must have:

Feat: Gunsmithing
Enough fame to buy the gun. (For cheap guns, under 750 gp, this can be bypassed by spending 2 PP to buy the gun.)

You will want to have:

1 rank in craft(alchemy) so bullets are affordable
Exotic Weapon Proficiency (the type of gun you want)

[Carla the Profane]

Hasnt the cost of bullets for non-gunslingers recently been changed in the 'Let's be clear' blog?

[Murdock Mudeater]

Jared Thaler wrote:

For cheap guns, under 750 gp, this can be bypassed by spending 2 PP to buy the gun.

I'd still need the fame, not just the PP, right?

[FLite]

Carla the Profane wrote:

Hasnt the cost of bullets for non-gunslingers recently been changed in the 'Let's be clear' blog?

No. That is the exact same language it has always had.

If you have 1 point in craft(alchemy) you pay the crafting cost listed in the gunsmithing feat. Otherwise you have to pay full cost. In either case, you sell bullets for half what you paid, not half of market cost.

[FLite]

Murdock Mudeater wrote:

Jared Thaler wrote:

For cheap guns, under 750 gp, this can be bypassed by spending 2 PP to buy the gun.

I'd still need the fame, not just the PP, right?

No, the 2 PP bypasses the fame requirement. That's why most people use their first 2 PP to buy a wand of cure light wounds.

[Murdock Mudeater]

Thank you very much.

[FLite]

Don't forget, if you are not a gunslinger, or some other class that grants deeds, you don't have quick clear, and misfires can take you out of combat very fast if you are relying on that gun.

It might be a good idea to pick up amature Gunslinger to get the quick clear deed.

[Ryzoken]

Or just dip a level of gunslinger and save 3 feats. Just sayin'.

Save the Feats 2016

[Bartholomäus]

^ my Savage Technologist would not function without a 1 level dip for this reason.

[Nefreet]

Carla the Profane wrote:

Hasnt the cost of bullets for non-gunslingers recently been changed in the 'Let's be clear' blog?

Same it's always been.

[FLite]

My piccaroon works much better with a level of mysterious stranger.

3 feats, + free gun.

[Streamwalker]

I think Jared is mistaken in one thing. Exotic Weapon Proficiency chosen for firearm grants proficiency with ALL firearms, not just one.

[Ryzoken]

Jared Thaler wrote:

My piccaroon works much better with a level of mysterious stranger.

3 feats, + free gun.

I was brewing up a fighter that used a gun, and man, it is really hard to justify not taking that gunslinger level.

Of course, that's now expanded into a multiclass monstrosity, combining gunslinger, weapon master fighter, unchained monk, urban bloodrager, and possibly some other class(es) after that... don't look at me like that, I needed the bonus feats!

How else am I to combine Crane Style and guns? (Rapid Reload, Point Blank, Precise, Rapid, Deadly Aim, Dodge, Mobility, Deft Shootist, Improved Unarmed, Crane Style... by level 7.) For my next trick: fitting in Improved Snap Shot and Combat Reflexes.

[Troll Bait]

3 levels Warpriest?

[Ryzoken]

Yknow, I was just thinking I'd like to shore up that Will save...
Weapon Focus as a bonus feat, fast buffs from fervor, another bonus feat at 3... If it didn't drop a BAB it'd be perfect, not that the BAB drop is a huge deal...

But I still need Clustered Shots. Sigh...

[Nefreet]

You really don't, since you'll generally be carrying 16 types of ammunition already.

[Keith Apperson]

Jared Thaler wrote:

If you have 1 point in craft(alchemy) you pay the crafting cost listed in the gunsmithing feat. Otherwise you have to pay full cost. In either case, you sell bullets for half what you paid, not half of market cost.

Slight correction, Gunsmithing is split on ammunition. You can do standard bullets with Gunsmithing, Alchemical Cartridges require Craft(Alchemy).

PRD wrote:

Crafting Ammunition: You can craft bullets, pellets, and black powder for a cost in raw materials equal to 10% of the price. If you have at least 1 rank in Craft (alchemy), you can craft alchemical cartridges for a cost in raw materials equal to half the price of the cartridge.

Additional Resources is just confusing because of comma usage:

Additional Resources wrote:

Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy])

Which is parsed [bullets, pellets, blackpowder], and [alchemical cartridges (w/Craft(Alchemy)]

[Nefreet]

But you still need Gunsmithing.

[FLite]

Keith Apperson wrote:

Jared Thaler wrote:

If you have 1 point in craft(alchemy) you pay the crafting cost listed in the gunsmithing feat. Otherwise you have to pay full cost. In either case, you sell bullets for half what you paid, not half of market cost.

Slight correction, Gunsmithing is split on ammunition. You can do standard bullets with Gunsmithing, Alchemical Cartridges require Craft(Alchemy).

PRD wrote:

Crafting Ammunition: You can craft bullets, pellets, and black powder for a cost in raw materials equal to 10% of the price. If you have at least 1 rank in Craft (alchemy), you can craft alchemical cartridges for a cost in raw materials equal to half the price of the cartridge.

Additional Resources is just confusing because of comma usage:

Additional Resources wrote:

Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy])

Which is parsed [bullets, pellets, blackpowder], and [alchemical cartridges (w/Craft(Alchemy)]

Good catch.

Also, Steamwalker, good catch earlier on the EWP. I forgot that it was an exception to the normal rules.