Zombie Lords & Pharasma


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So recently (August I think), my neutral and deity free cleric was turned into a Zombie Lord by my GM. So to add substance to my character, I want to use the experience as a reason to start worshipping a neutral deity. Enter Pharasma, hater of undead. However, she IS the Goddess of Rebirth. So, would it really be too much of a stretch to say that my forced transition into undeath could be seen as a potentially useful sinkhole on the road to my 'rebirth' as a living being?


I guess this something better disscussed with your GM.

In my games yes and no , since you said it was forced then there is a chance , pharasma wants undead to be just dead , unless you intend to get cured of this "condition" on the first opportunity , which for sure there would be in my games once this deal was made , she would want you dead also (oh and you would lose your powers until you got revived after denying the first opportunity) , but if this was indeed forced upon you and you will take the chance to get revived , then i would allow it.


There would be some NE and LN Pharasmites that would just say "Why aren't I killing you yet?" but on the whole it should be fine. Just take the earliest chance you can to go back to normal. The empty feeling of being a soulless husk giving you the push to worship the Lady of Graves sounds legit.

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Sounds fine, but the big question is why haven't you slain yourself? The Lady of Graves would prefer you die than linger as an undead. You would need to justify that you only intend to stay an undead until you can secure a resurrection.

If you roleplay your affliction correctly, you should gradually shift to evil, especially since you started as true neutral. As the affliction starts to erode your psyche and make you feel disconnected to the living. So this might become a race against time.


Cyrad wrote:

Sounds fine, but the big question is why haven't you slain yourself? The Lady of Graves would prefer you die than linger as an undead. You would need to justify that you only intend to stay an undead until you can secure a resurrection.

If you roleplay your affliction correctly, you should gradually shift to evil, especially since you started as true neutral. As the affliction starts to erode your psyche and make you feel disconnected to the living. So this might become a race against time.

This right here.

If you have enough wealth or someone who is high enough level to cast Resurrection then you should take it immediately. Even if it would bankrupt your character. If you are truly dedicated to worshiping Pharasma. 10910 gp would be the total cost to have an non-allied cleric cast Resurrection for you.

Assuming your around level 6 there is no excuse to remain a zombie. It should be so abhorrent to your character that you wouldn't care to sacrifice all your personal wealth. That is if you viewed yourself as a true worshiper of Pharasma.


In the setting of raven loft there was a priest of Lathander called Jander Sunstar. Lathander was the Morning Lord, his only real ability back then (besides a dope ass bonus to pottery!) Was to nuke undead like it was no thing. The priest was later turned into a vampire.

At the end, he was lost and sought ways to redeem himself. He did by having Lathander allow him to turn undead once again.

There's damphir that become vampire hunter's, a whole archtype.

It's a roleplaying moment. You chose the goddess of rebirth for a reason. Don't kill yourself, that's just crappy roleplaying. You can totally seek her favour by wiping out undead in her name. With enough luck she may decide to send an agent to kill you and allow you to become mortal again in the next life.

I say go for it.


I really should have said this before, but I was a Neutral cleric w/o a deity. Also, as an intelligent undead, I am not soulless. Ultimately, I was basing this on the D&D 4E race, Revenant. Their the Raven Queen (Pharasma)'s personal undead. Well, technically they're souls reincarnated and placed into human-body-vessel things.

http://dnd4.wikia.com/wiki/Revenant

And thanks for all the input!


Personally i would deny it , to a god like pharasma an undead is nothing but a mistake that should be corrected , the souls of the dead should follow the normal procedure , be judged and then sent to whatever plane they belong. If you want to remain dead , instead of getting ressed as fast as possible , then it would be an instant no go to me.

I would have you either pick a different god or remain without one.

But this is just my opinion ofc , your GM might still allow it.

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Pharasma does not and would never have "personal undead." She considers any perversion of life and death as an abomination that damages the souls in question and ultimately harms the harmony of the multiverse. Undeath puts you out of the cycle of life and death. Pharasma wants you back into that cycle immediately by any means necessary. And she certainly would not make you her undead servent nor would she approve of you using your undeath to kill other undead unless it's your only option.

If Pharasma reincarnated your soul into some kind of special mortal form, she would not make you into an undead. Instead, you would likely end up as some kind of native outsider with psychopomp heritage, which would make for an interesting homebrew race.


Cyrad wrote:

Pharasma does not and would never have "personal undead." She considers any perversion of life and death as an abomination that damages the souls in question and ultimately harms the harmony of the multiverse. Undeath puts you out of the cycle of life and death. Pharasma wants you back into that cycle immediately by any means necessary. And she certainly would not make you her undead servent nor would she approve of you using your undeath to kill other undead unless it's your only option.

If Pharasma reincarnated your soul into some kind of special mortal form, she would not make you into an undead. Instead, you would likely end up as some kind of native outsider with psychopomp heritage, which would make for an interesting homebrew race.

This is actually probably the closest to the truth we can get.

The Fated Guide archetype for the spiritualist class is a good example of the outsider part , even if it has nothing to with psychopomps , this would an example of an outsider , kind of close to an undead , that pharasma herself sends.


Alright, I guess I can just save the worshipping for AFTER my un-undeadening. Which can only be brought about by Miracle or equally powerful spell, as resurrection doesn't exist in our GM's worlds. The closest thing we've got is Breath of Life.

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