No, Breath of Life sets the criteria for effect.
It doesn't even reference Raise Dead so there is no "wiggle" room that avenue either.
Agreed with Skylancer.
The part talking about extending the limit on raising the creature from the dead doesn't apply to breath of life.
You sure? Gentle repose was made up long before breath of life, so the wording may not match ideally, but it seems to me like it might still be in the same spirit.
As they didn't change the wording to include breath of life? Yes, I'm positive.
It specifically calls out preventing the body from decaying and extends the limit of raising it "(see Raise Dead)".
Breath of Life is a preventative spell, by having it and using it within the round, you effectively heal a character who would have otherwise died. Each round is split up by turns but essentially everyone's turns are happening at the same time. The spell itself gives you the ability to heal an otherwise dead character, effectively treating them as not dead allowing healing to take place.
The specific rule of Breath of Life is what allows the bring back of the dead character. If you try to cast it, the requirements are not met, and it would be wasted/fizzle. The spell checks to see if the target died last round. If they did, it works. If they didn't, it would fizzle on the barely decaying corpse you tried to use it on.
If Breath of Life referred back to Raise Dead an argument could be made. But it doesn't.
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Curiously, since breath of life doesn't refer to raise dead, an unwilling target is forced to return, since an unattended non-magical object always fails its save.
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The specific rule of Breath of Life is what allows the bring back of the dead character. If you try to cast it, the requirements are not met, and it would be wasted/fizzle. The spell checks to see if the target died last round. If they did, it works. If they didn't, it would fizzle on the barely decaying corpse you tried to use it on.
I'd agree with this. Similarly, I wouldn't allow gentle repose to extend the duration in which you could be reincarnated.
With this spell, you bring back a dead creature in another body, provided that its death occurred no more than 1 week before the casting of the spell and the subject's soul is free and willing to return.
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The condition of the remains is not a factor.
Gentle repose's maintenance of the body is relevant only for raise dead, as that is the only spell that requires intact remains.
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Curiously, since breath of life doesn't refer to raise dead, an unwilling target is forced to return, since an unattended non-magical object always fails its save.
</aside>The specific rule of Breath of Life is what allows the bring back of the dead character. If you try to cast it, the requirements are not met, and it would be wasted/fizzle. The spell checks to see if the target died last round. If they did, it works. If they didn't, it would fizzle on the barely decaying corpse you tried to use it on.I'd agree with this. Similarly, I wouldn't allow gentle repose to extend the duration in which you could be reincarnated.
Gentle repose's maintenance of the body is relevant only for raise dead, as that is the only spell that requires intact remains.With this spell, you bring back a dead creature in another body, provided that its death occurred no more than 1 week before the casting of the spell and the subject's soul is free and willing to return.
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The condition of the remains is not a factor.
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Theoretically, they didn't die. You are just healing them.
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The only thing I'm aware of that can extend the amount of time you have to cast Breath of Life (well, short of Time Stop), is Invigorating Repose, and even then it's only rounds, not hours or days. You do have to be a Torag worshipper and attune to the spell every morning.
Oddly, it doesn't specify that you have to cast Invigorating Repose before the character is killed. So, if you can't get to a dead character in time for a Breath of Life, you can cast this spell instead, and have a few more rounds to do the BoL.
Doing so effectively extends the time limit on raising that creature from the dead (see raise dead). Days spent under the influence of this spell don't count against the time limit.
I think they should work together. Gentle repose does say to "see raise dead", but I would treat that as an example of possible ways to bring back the dead, not a hard rule that it only works with that.
If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature.
So, regardless of how short(1 round) the spell allows to be someone to be arrived normally, gentle repose would extend that time limit, as stated in its description.
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Breath of life is a spell to be used in combat, you get one round. Breath of Life is meant to be very limiting, not a way to bring people back from the dead, but a way to keep people in combat.
Gentle Repose affects raising spells, breath of life is a cure spell. GR is meant to let you get your friend back to town a week later, extending the deadline on Raise Dead so they don't decompose.
If they wanted Gentle Repose to affect Breath of Life, they would have put it in the Breath of Life description when they made it. After all GR is a well known spell, not something obscure. But the limit on Breath of Life has NOTHING to do with the decomposition level of the corpse. Otherwise the limit may as well be minutes instead of one round.
As skylancer4 points out, Breath of Life is a *cure* spell, not a raise dead spell. It only heals hit points, there is even a chance the target does not come to life. The spells have nothing at all to do with each other.
Doing so effectively extends the time limit on raising that creature from the dead (see raise dead). Days spent under the influence of this spell don't count against the time limit.I think they should work together. Gentle repose does say to "see raise dead", but I would treat that as an example of possible ways to bring back the dead, not a hard rule that it only works with that.
If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature.So, regardless of how short(1 round) the spell allows to be someone to be arrived normally, gentle repose would extend that time limit, as stated in its description.
No, it allows them to be brought back to life see Raise Dead. That isn't "normally" it is specific. There are numerous ways to bring someone back to life, raise dead is just one of the ways.
You are obviously entitled to your opinion and welcome to house rule it, but by the book, it doesn't work.
Rereading that, I have to agree with you. Gentle repose only works with specifically raise dead and no other resurrection spell. It is not merely an example, it is the only example.
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Curiously, since breath of life doesn't refer to raise dead, an unwilling target is forced to return, since an unattended non-magical object always fails its save.
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Theoretically, they didn't die. You are just healing them.
I think that
Unlike other spells that heal damage, breath of life can bring recently slain creatures back to life. If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature. If the healed creature's hit point total is at a negative amount less than its Constitution score, it comes back to life and stabilizes at its new hit point total. If the creature's hit point total is at a negative amount equal to or greater than its Constitution score, the creature remains dead. Creatures brought back to life through breath of life gain a temporary negative level that lasts for 1 day.
(emphasis mine) makes it pretty clear. It brings them back from death, and they don't get a choice.
Not something that would normally come up, but a curious departure from the norm.
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Curiously, since breath of life doesn't refer to raise dead, an unwilling target is forced to return, since an unattended non-magical object always fails its save.
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Theoretically, they didn't die. You are just healing them.
I think that
Unlike other spells that heal damage, breath of life can bring recently slain creatures back to life. If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature. If the healed creature's hit point total is at a negative amount less than its Constitution score, it comes back to life and stabilizes at its new hit point total. If the creature's hit point total is at a negative amount equal to or greater than its Constitution score, the creature remains dead. Creatures brought back to life through breath of life gain a temporary negative level that lasts for 1 day.(emphasis mine) makes it pretty clear. It brings them back from death, and they don't get a choice.
Not something that would normally come up, but a curious departure from the norm.
I'll give you that it is a technicality but it is so minor as to effectively be not what you are saying.
It would be like having your heart stop for 6 seconds before some did CPR and it started again.
Did your soul even leave your body at that point?
Given how turns are basically over simplified versions of complex scenarios, the word count on the spell to alter the basic rules of the game, probably would have been twice (if not more). I'll forgive them the tiny bit of ret-conning the spell assumes ;)
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Doing so effectively extends the time limit on raising that creature from the dead (see raise dead). Days spent under the influence of this spell don't count against the time limit.I think they should work together. Gentle repose does say to "see raise dead", but I would treat that as an example of possible ways to bring back the dead, not a hard rule that it only works with that.
If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature.So, regardless of how short(1 round) the spell allows to be someone to be arrived normally, gentle repose would extend that time limit, as stated in its description.
If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature.
What is the check? If the target has died within 1 round. if that check fail it don't applies any healing.
Gentle repose don't change that at all. It simple stop the body from decaying.