Two beings from one being


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Hi there!

There is this idea I'm working on where there was once a single being who eventually split into two seperate beings. One filled with good and the other with evil. A good example would be Kami and Piccolo of Dragonball.

For the non Dragonball viewers among us:
The "Unnamed Namekian" wanted to be the guardian of Earth but harbored evil within his heart. He expelled this from his body thus becoming Kami. This evil manifested into a second being which is Piccolo.

Is there any legit way of doing this without it becoming a "this happens because I'm the DM and I say so" thing.

Thanks for the advice :)


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This creates an alternate alignment version of you.


These aren't perfect fits, but:


Milo v3 wrote:
This creates an alternate alignment version of you.

This would be entirely perfect! It doesn't mention anything on duration. It only speaks of a battle between the two counter parts. Is it necessary for them to battle and for one to die right off the bat or can you postpone this so it can be an epic questline?

I'd like to make something among the lines of a "White Knight" and a "Black Knight". Both wearing the same armor but different color. Same weapon also and both wearing a helmet to cover their face. This would be a plot twist for the players as I plan on using an old acquaintance for this.


TrollingJoker wrote:
This would be entirely perfect! It doesn't mention anything on duration. It only speaks of a battle between the two counter parts. Is it necessary for them to battle and for one to die right off the bat or can you postpone this so it can be an epic questline?

By RAW the duplicate attacks, if the real one gets away though or simply neither is defeated or dies, then you could do the epic questline.


Well...

You could die a horrible death. And become a ghost. And have your corpse later reanimated as a zombie or skeleton or something.


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Milo v3 wrote:
TrollingJoker wrote:
This would be entirely perfect! It doesn't mention anything on duration. It only speaks of a battle between the two counter parts. Is it necessary for them to battle and for one to die right off the bat or can you postpone this so it can be an epic questline?
By RAW the duplicate attacks, if the real one gets away though or simply neither is defeated or dies, then you could do the epic questline.

Well I'd rule it as a must. Some philosophers agree that there cannot be two of one being. Some even think that might break everything we know. I'm not going to bring it that far but I do want to give both entities the urge to vanquish the other.

I think I will change the RAW a little bit by making the real one attack the duplicate and letting the duplicate run away. My reason for this is because I want the evil one to be the real one. I thank you for your assistance!

As for the other suggestions, they sound amazing and I will be looking into them as well but since Mirror of Opposition is almost a textbook example of what I want, I'll be going with that.

Thank you all!


TrollingJoker wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
TrollingJoker wrote:
This would be entirely perfect! It doesn't mention anything on duration. It only speaks of a battle between the two counter parts. Is it necessary for them to battle and for one to die right off the bat or can you postpone this so it can be an epic questline?
By RAW the duplicate attacks, if the real one gets away though or simply neither is defeated or dies, then you could do the epic questline.

Well I'd rule it as a must. Some philosophers agree that there cannot be two of one being. Some even think that might break everything we know. I'm not going to bring it that far but I do want to give both entities the urge to vanquish the other.

I think I will change the RAW a little bit by making the real one attack the duplicate and letting the duplicate run away. My reason for this is because I want the evil one to be the real one. I thank you for your assistance!

As for the other suggestions, they sound amazing and I will be looking into them as well but since Mirror of Opposition is almost a textbook example of what I want, I'll be going with that.

Thank you all!

Philosophers don't have access to magic. Do what you want.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
TrollingJoker wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
TrollingJoker wrote:
This would be entirely perfect! It doesn't mention anything on duration. It only speaks of a battle between the two counter parts. Is it necessary for them to battle and for one to die right off the bat or can you postpone this so it can be an epic questline?
By RAW the duplicate attacks, if the real one gets away though or simply neither is defeated or dies, then you could do the epic questline.

Well I'd rule it as a must. Some philosophers agree that there cannot be two of one being. Some even think that might break everything we know. I'm not going to bring it that far but I do want to give both entities the urge to vanquish the other.

I think I will change the RAW a little bit by making the real one attack the duplicate and letting the duplicate run away. My reason for this is because I want the evil one to be the real one. I thank you for your assistance!

As for the other suggestions, they sound amazing and I will be looking into them as well but since Mirror of Opposition is almost a textbook example of what I want, I'll be going with that.

Thank you all!

Philosophers don't have access to magic. Do what you want.

Haha very true! My point was rather that I like to make it somewhat locigal.

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Why not a summoner?

The good half is the main character. The evil half is the eidolon. When the character summons the eidolon, he's actually splitting himself into two entities. This creates a very Piccolo-Kami-like situation. The evil side can never be truly killed -- doing so only ends the ritual for 24 hours. The evil side can't slay the good side or he'll die as well.

I think there's some alignment restrictions or something, but those can be easily overlooked. Or you can use the chained summoner.


Cyrad wrote:

Why not a summoner?

The good half is the main character. The evil half is the eidolon. When the character summons the eidolon, he's actually splitting himself into two entities. This creates a very Piccolo-Kami-like situation. The evil side can never be truly killed -- doing so only ends the ritual for 24 hours. The evil side can't slay the good side or he'll die as well.

I think there's some alignment restrictions or something, but those can be easily overlooked. Or you can use the chained summoner.

Well that'd work with a new character but the character I'm referring to is, as I mentioned before, an old acquaintance of this party.

Quick summary: First time player started out as a Lawful Good Paladin. He botched it in two sessions flat (normally it'd be one but I gave him an extra chance since this was his first D&D campaign ever).

He changed characters because he attacked the party and they threw the Paladin in jail. From that point onwards he was my toy to play with. My Anti-Paladin. The party member, whom he attacked, RP'd a trauma towards Paladin (beautifully I might add) and they became mortal enemies.

Quickly enough, the term Paladin became "taboo" and so this Anti-Paladin must remain a Paladin at ALL costs.

So while I appreciate the idea (fun one at that) it won't work without it being cheesy and giving him one level summoner. He must remain a full blown Paladin.

Also for the reason why I'm doing this. Said party screwed up (they accidently killed the white mage who was also the "prophet" of the god they were working with) and they are now restarting in a different setting of the same world 200 years later. At the end of the screw-up, the traumatized player outright killed the Paladin so they won't expect to see him again.

As for the reason I want to split the now resurrected Anti-Paladin is because this Anti-Paladin was making a change. He was starting to repent but was killed all the same. So now I want him to return as the most evil being you can imagine but as a plot twist I want there to be the original Lawful Good side of him as well. For those who watched Fairy Tail, you know what I mean and how surprising that was.

Hopefully that'll explain my intentions some more :)

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