Drahliana Moonrunner |
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No, Krensky, you are incorrect. If nothing besides the movies/show was considered Canon, why was it such a big deal that Disney announced it would no longer be on 25Apr2014.
It was a big deal, because canon or not, the books had developed their own fanbase. Some of the material was even used in comics over a period of decades.
The EU had a lot of chaotic baggage associated with it. Dumping it, meant that Disney could make it's own original content without that baggage defining it.
baron arem heshvaun |
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Don't make me bring the baron in on you guys!
I have a confession.
I use to be a Canon lawyer. Like a BIG Canon lawyer. That changed very recently. Not all of a sudden mind you, but very gradually, and was only cemented after I saw this current incarnation of the Saga.
I think I have posted what "is Canon and semi Canon, or near Canon or Canon until proven otherwise" at least four times in the past months on several sites and if you go back to the start on the interwebs I think what is and what is not Canon has officially changed seven times and been amended to more than North Korean law to praise their glorious leader.
If I were to type out what I have to say about Canon it would probably be four times as long as any post above.
I will say this, if you like it, then please consider it part YOUR own Star Wars Universe, your life will be all the richer for it, be it Canon, lesser Canon or Demi Canon, or Robot Chicken's interpretation of events.
Don't site it as Canon but mention your source, share the idea.
Hey there are some people out there who like The Star Wars Christmas Special. George Lucas has called lighsabers laser swords in scripts and interviews. And my eye twitches at the mention of midichlorians.
Shadows of the Empire was a multi platform media event, one of the first of its kind, which incorporated a novel, video games, toys, and comic books and it was consider hard Canon when it first came out. Even the moderators of Wookieepedia have argued where it should be listed now.
The are murmurs that the novel Darth Plagueis may be elevated to Canon status and that would signal Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
The Star Wars Saga has united generations of fans from the 70's to 2015, and audiences as varied as movie goers deep in Harlem who vocally and loudly yell at the screen to vast numbers of Tokyo film viewers staring in utter and ghostly silence out of sheer respect, are all still fans one and the same.
So unless you need to site an official source or are writing a doctorate, I think we can all enjoy all the levels of Star Wars.
I, GROGNARD |
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bleeding hearts liberal face flapping in the wind misguided ISIS yammerings
I knew were soft boy.
Now git off my Star Wars lawn!
Freehold DM |
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samerandomhero wrote:Don't make me bring the baron in on you guys!I have a confession.
I use to be a Canon lawyer. Like a BIG Canon lawyer. That changed very recently. Not all of a sudden mind you, but very gradually, and was only cemented after I saw this current incarnation of the Saga.
I think I have posted what "is Canon and semi Canon, or near Canon or Canon until proven otherwise" at least four times in the past months on several sites and if you go back to the start on the interwebs I think what is and what is not Canon has officially changed seven times and been amended to more than North Korean law to praise their glorious leader.
If I were to type out what I have to say about Canon it would probably be four times as long as any post above.
I will say this, if you like it, then please consider it part YOUR own Star Wars Universe, your life will be all the richer for it, be it Canon, lesser Canon or Demi Canon, or Robot Chicken's interpretation of events.
Don't site it as Canon but mention your source, share the idea.
Hey there are some people out there who like The Star Wars Christmas Special. George Lucas has called lighsabers laser swords in scripts and interviews. And my eye twitches at the mention of midichlorians.
Shadows of the Empire was a multi platform media event, one of the first of its kind, which incorporated a novel, video games, toys, and comic books and it was consider hard Canon when it first came out. Even the moderators of Wookieepedia have argued where it should be listed now.
The are murmurs that the novel Darth Plagueis may be elevated to Canon status and that would signal Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
The Star Wars Saga has united generations of fans from the 70's to 2015, and audiences as varied as movie goers deep in Harlem who vocally and loudly yell at the screen to vast numbers of Tokyo film viewers staring in utter and ghostly silence out of sheer respect, are all still fans one and the...
beautiful.
watches film in harlem
phantom1592 |
It would be an improvement in the name department.
Anyway, I thought I read somewhere that the new baddies weren't Sith.
That's what I'm hoping for anyway. Personally, I'm tired of all the Darth's. I'm tired of Sith Lords. I really want to see some DARK JEDI, who do NOT find their way into the Sith faction.
Just a case of what happens if a jedi goes evil... It's always been this lingering threat for all involved... but EVERY time it turns out to be a Sith.
BigNorseWolf |
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Hama wrote:Oh for god's sake can't two men be friends and develop a bromance without everyone screaming GAAAAY? You know straight men exist. And they have friends. And they love each other.Can't happen unless they prove their masculinity by beating each other to a near-pulp first.
FINALLY. Someone knows the rules.
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That would be lame, IMHO. It's too cute. I'd prefer it ifSnoopSnoke were really one of the jedi who survived the purge at the end of Episode III, turned to the dark side while hiding out from the Emperor and Vader and lamenting his fate, and is just now coming out of hiding.
Or maybe one of the Inquisitors, or some other "dark Jedi" group the Emperor had floating around.
Krensky |
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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:FINALLY. Someone knows the rules.Hama wrote:Oh for god's sake can't two men be friends and develop a bromance without everyone screaming GAAAAY? You know straight men exist. And they have friends. And they love each other.Can't happen unless they prove their masculinity by beating each other to a near-pulp first.
"I'm hugging you, but I'm hitting you!" - Lew Schneider
Drahliana Moonrunner |
The prevailing theory is indeed that Snoke is really Darth Plagueis.
If true, I think it would actually have some pretty cool and interesting ramifications for the new trilogy ...
I'm pretty sure that when they said the EU was dead, they nailed the coffin shut. I'm going with the idea that Snoke is a new creation that will be retrofitted into the background of all the previous movies as the one who's been in charge of the whole Sith shebang from episode 1 and perhaps before.
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Marc Radle wrote:I'm pretty sure that when they said the EU was dead, they nailed the coffin shut. I'm going with the idea that Snoke is a new creation that will be retrofitted into the background of all the previous movies as the one who's been in charge of the whole Sith shebang from episode 1 and perhaps before.The prevailing theory is indeed that Snoke is really Darth Plagueis.
If true, I think it would actually have some pretty cool and interesting ramifications for the new trilogy ...
Darth Plagueis isn't EU, he was mentioned in the Prequels, and therefore canon.
Hama |
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Hama wrote:Seriously, if Snoke turns out to be Plagius, I'm gonna stop watching Star Wars.Oh, C'mon... You survived the prequels didn't you? That revelation can't be worse than midclhorians and... Well... Episode I in general.
it will be horribly lazy and stupid. Stupid I can handle if it's pretty enough, Lazy, not so much.
phantom1592 |
Sidious was a Sith.
He recruited Maul, Tyrannus and Vader. What else were they supposed to be?
I had really hoped that COUNT Dooku was not a sith. Just a fallen Jedi. But yeah, they eventually added that Darth title to him :-/
Which, really didn't make much sense. Especially when they made such a big deal of 'only 2' Sith active... That means that Tyrannus had a pretty short run between Maul and Vader for a guy that old.
That's why I'm hoping the Knights of Ren are just Jedi who found power in the dark side and aren't tied to the order of the Sith.
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No Sith Lord other, maybe, than Darth Bane ever really followed the Rule of Two.
It was more of a Guideline of Two.
I hadn't realized they violated it that often, but that had bothered me for a long time about the original trilogy. Vader presumably didn't want to be killed by Luke and neither did Palpatine. But if they actually followed the Rule of Two, one of those would be necessary for Luke to be recruited.
Lemmy |
Krensky wrote:I hadn't realized they violated it that often, but that had bothered me for a long time about the original trilogy. Vader presumably didn't want to be killed by Luke and neither did Palpatine. But if they actually followed the Rule of Two, one of those would be necessary for Luke to be recruited.No Sith Lord other, maybe, than Darth Bane ever really followed the Rule of Two.
It was more of a Guideline of Two.
I think the rule of two is more about getting a stronger ally to kill the former ally than actually keeping it at two at all times. Vader wanted Luke by his side so that they could kill Palpatine together and rule the galaxy.
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Krensky wrote:That isn't shocking - the Sith ARE the villains of the story. What are rules to the bad guys, besides another obstacle in their way?No Sith Lord other, maybe, than Darth Bane ever really followed the Rule of Two.
It was more of a Guideline of Two.
Of course the Sith barely existed in the original trilogy - no mention in the movies, though Vader was called a "Dark Lord of the Sith" in the novelization.
No more information about Sith. No indication that "Darth" was a Sith title. Much less any Rule of Two or the rest of what's grown up since the prequels.Freehold DM |
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Freehold DM wrote:watches film in harlemIf you have chicken and waffles without me there will be a Great Disturbance in The Force.
that's the wrong coast man.
Actually I am going to be heading to California in a few hours myself. My nephew has never seen the force awakens, to his eternal shame! His uncle is on the way to stage an intervention!
And I have a star wars shirt to wear to boot! I'll have to get him one too!
Krensky |
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I did, however, drink a bottle of bud lite. How do people get drunk on that?
Anyway, both peanut butter and maple syrup can be bought here, I'm gonna do that once and tell my experiences here :)
No idea. I assume they just drink lots and lots of it.
Ignore Kullen, they are clearly either insane or allergic and bitter. Peanut butter is wonderful. As for maple syrup, imagine a much thinner cross between honey and vanilla and that's... close. You want actual maple syrup, not 'pancake' or whatever.
Also... Why are we discussing this again? I think I missed a digression somewhere.
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Peanut butter is wonderful.
Bud Lite, far less so.
Though the US has a pretty robust craft/microbrewery industry, so there's plenty of options for beers that are actually good.
(I like that a particular German restaurant in my area thas Bud Lite and its kin listed on the menu in a tiny section titled "REDNECK BEER" and then lists all the decent/good beer in a big section titled just "BEER." I suppose that's mean of them, but it's still funny.)
@ Lemmy - because it's sugar + sugar, and that generally works pretty well in the US. (Peanut butter + nutella's pretty good, too).
@ Krensky - because eating chicken and waffles at a Star Wars showing somehow came up. I think.
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Hama wrote:I did, however, drink a bottle of bud lite. How do people get drunk on that?
Anyway, both peanut butter and maple syrup can be bought here, I'm gonna do that once and tell my experiences here :)
No idea. I assume they just drink lots and lots of it.
Ignore Kullen, they are clearly either insane or allergic and bitter. Peanut butter is wonderful. As for maple syrup, imagine a much thinner cross between honey and vanilla and that's... close. You want actual maple syrup, not 'pancake' or whatever.
If you want to be a gourmand about it, you probably want Grade B maple syrup. Which is counterintuitive, since Grade A is usually the good stuff.
I'd also add that I prefer peanut butter that's just ground up peanuts rather than the more commercial mostly sugar/corn syrup versions.
Lemmy |
@Lemmy - because it's sugar + sugar, and that generally works pretty well in the US. (Peanut butter + nutella's pretty good, too).
I understand that... But it's so sweet it barely has any flavor left... (Also Nutella pretty much overwhelms the taste of peanut butter, so it doesn't change much).