Conspiracy theories surrounding human influenced climate change, what's up with that?


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Just because a small region of the planet is colder part of the year doesn't mean that is the way of the entire planet. Much like global hunger has not been solved merely because I still have Thanksgiving leftovers - I am not the entire population of Earth.

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The main point to all this, when we talk about differences in areas from one part of the world to the other, is that the overall global temperature isn't as easy to determine as it has been toted to have been in the past and going onto present.

That is to say, one study says blah, then the other says bleh, and no one says anything about the difference in the one letter.

The Jetstream going along or around the Canadian border has been effected by Katrina and other big weather phenomena, it has been a big news story for a bit but the big shock about it has worn off.

The main thing some posters in this thread have maintained is that this Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change is, despite some who believe it, not the result of Man. We can clean the air, have better tech for creating energy and ensure that we have clean water, but as far as "correcting" the global environment, Man has no effect on this one way or the other. Electric Cars, Windmills that fill batteries, and Solar farms that provide a bit of a spark is not helping in this front, as none of the "alternative" energy is doing anything to replace any of the standard, reliable sources of energy we already have, nor will they have any breakthroughs that will suddenly make them be the Lightning in a Bottle that everyone thinks it already is or should be.

The title of the thread certainly is ironic, as the overall conspiracy could come from either "side" of the issue, or from those that look at this as something from a work of fiction. The third side, as it were, looking at this like one would work out Data Crystals, Teleporters and Warp Drives.


My favorite is when Katrina's aftermath had an impact on climate is used as proof that humans can't impact climate.

As far as whether climate change is happening and whether we're causing it or not, I still haven't seen someone debunk this article, where scientists measure the effective change on the absorption rate of CO2 in the atmosphere.

To prove climate change isn't happening, that science would have to be wrong. Ditto for human impact on said climate change.

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thaX wrote:
That is to say, one study says blah, then the other says bleh, and no one says anything about the difference in the one letter.

False. There have been hundreds of studies on the differences between the different global temperature anomaly records. This despite the fact that the differences are tiny and all show the same general warming trend. Examining the minute discrepancies helps to further refine our understanding of the fine details of the climate system.

thaX wrote:
The main thing some posters in this thread have maintained is that this Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change is, despite some who believe it, not the result of Man.

I am not aware of any climate scientist who still disputes that humans have caused global warming. The few 'skeptics' who remain now claim only that they believe the warming we are causing will not be as bad as projected.

thaX wrote:
Electric Cars, Windmills that fill batteries, and Solar farms that provide a bit of a spark is not helping in this front, as none of the "alternative" energy is doing anything to replace any of the standard, reliable sources of energy we already have, nor will they have any breakthroughs that will suddenly make them be the Lightning in a Bottle that everyone thinks it already is or should be.

You are mistaken. Fossil fuel and nuclear power deployment has dropped sharply in the developed world. The vast majority of new electricity generation is now coming from renewable sources. Even with large amounts of fossil fuel power coming on line in developing countries like China and India, renewable sources now account for over half of global total new deployments. Nuclear has peaked. Coal and natural gas are peaking now. Oil has another couple of decades at most before it too begins to decline.


What conclusions are people drawing from the rapid melting of the ice-caps?

Liberty's Edge

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Melting of the Ice Caps? The South Pole has gotten colder in the last decade and the normal ice drop that is shown over and over again is not indicative of the whole northern polar region getting warmer.

If we went by Mr. Gore's assertion, half of the USA would be underwater at this point and Polar Bears would be like the Dinosaur.

Why don't I take Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change Seriously? I am disappointed one would need to ask.


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Chief Cook and Bottlewasher wrote:
What conclusions are people drawing from the rapid melting of the ice-caps?

Proof positive that dragons have returned and are breathing fire upon them!


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Interestingly enough, the gains in ice at the South Pole is proof of human caused changes in climate.

If you remember the ozone layer scare back in the 80's and 90's, then large steps were take to prevent human caused depletion of this layer. One of the effects of the loss of the ozone layer would be increased heat in stratosphere. This additional heat impacts things like weather.

Know where the hole in the ozone layer was? Antarctica.

So, humans pumped chemicals into the atmosphere all around the world, but it caused an accumulation problem on the one continent where humans don't live. Strange. Then, we stopped pumping those chemicals into the air and the problem those chemicals could cause stopped happening. Really strange.

It's almost like human actions can impact the climate. Except it's not "like" that, because it actually is that.


Chief Cook and Bottlewasher wrote:
What conclusions are people drawing from the rapid melting of the ice-caps?

It's simpler than that. We don't have to make indirect observations any more to guess what the impact CO2 has in the atmosphere. We can actually measure it now.


thaX wrote:

Melting of the Ice Caps? The South Pole has gotten colder in the last decade and the normal ice drop that is shown over and over again is not indicative of the whole northern polar region getting warmer.

If we went by Mr. Gore's assertion, half of the USA would be underwater at this point and Polar Bears would be like the Dinosaur.

Why don't I take Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change Seriously? I am disappointed one would need to ask.

Colder than what? The absolute peak in 2005?

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thaX wrote:
If we went by Mr. Gore's assertion, half of the USA would be underwater at this point and Polar Bears would be like the Dinosaur.

These statements are false. Gore never said either of those things. Please go ahead and look. You won't find any record of him having done so.

That is why you 'don't take global warming seriously'... because you believe things which are obviously untrue. You are drawing conclusions based on false information.


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I could care less about what Al Gore said. He's not a scientist.


Irontruth wrote:
I could care less about what Al Gore said.

"Could"? Or "couldn't"?

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Could.

Liberty's Edge

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Couldn't.

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Now I want a Grammar Slam on the subject.


Stuffy Grammarian wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
I could care less about what Al Gore said.
"Could"? Or "couldn't"?

It's what is called an "idiom". Sometimes idioms have a figurative definition that is different from their literal meaning.

In this case, both "couldn't care less" and "could care less" have the same meaning.

You can see this in other phrases too:

Meteoric rise - meteors don't rise, they fall.

leapfrog - what's a leapfrog? shouldn't it be frogleap?

turn up dead - unless the corpse is ambulatory, how did it "turn up"? Did it just arrive to the party dead somehow?

Head over heels - isn't your head nearly always over your heels? shouldn't it be heels over head?

"Could care less" has been in common usage for about 50 years now. I'm thinking it's a little late to try and confront it now.


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Yea. We wouldn't want to try and reverse man made climate change if it's not true. We wouldn't to accidentally make the world a better place if we don't absolutely have to.

/Sarcasm

Radiant Oath

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Can we even make it a better place? A friend of mine who studies this stuff says it's too late anyway. The disintigration of the icecaps and worldwide food production collapse is inevitable now and has been for a decade. We're all gonna die! :(

Liberty's Edge

Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Can we even make it a better place? A friend of mine who studies this stuff says it's too late anyway. The disintigration of the icecaps and worldwide food production collapse is inevitable now and has been for a decade. We're all gonna die! :(

No, not all of us.

Less habitable land and/or less food = less people, not NO people.

AGW (by itself) will never get bad enough to kill off the entire human race. However, it could get bad enough to provoke wars involving countries with nuclear and/or biological weapons which could wipe us all out. Short of that, it is never "too late" to stop it and thus decrease the total death toll.


Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Can we even make it a better place? A friend of mine who studies this stuff says it's too late anyway. The disintigration of the icecaps and worldwide food production collapse is inevitable now and has been for a decade. We're all gonna die! :(

Basically what CBDunkerson said: We've got a lot more warming locked in and it's going to get bad, pretty much no matter what we do. However, the more we limit the greenhouses gasses we add now, the less bad the peak will be and also the possible some kind of geoengineering fix or at least minimization will be.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Now I want a Grammar Slam on the subject.

Could is only grammatically correct when said in a Yiddish accent with a sarcastic tone.


Krensky wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Now I want a Grammar Slam on the subject.
Could is only grammatically correct when said in a Yiddish accent with a sarcastic tone.

How does using a Yiddish accent change the grammar of a sentence in English?

Strictly speaking, this isn't a grammar issue; this is a linguistic issue.


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Most people try to blame linguistics or dialect when they use the wrong words. "I could care less" usually ends up there. "Literally" is another. Doesn't make it any more correct. There is a limit beyond which linguistics works as an argument, but neither is there yet. It is the old bandwagon fallacy: Lots of people do something, so it must be right/true/a good idea.

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