Combining three archetypes of the Paladin.


Rules Questions


Hi.

I'm looking at building a paladin that combines these three archetypes, Warrior of the Holy Light, Undead Scourge and Divine Defender.

I was wondering how do I get Shared Defense and Power of Faith to work together? Do they stack and can both be used in the same round. Does it have to be activated separately. i.e Shared Defense on the first standard action then Power of Faith on the next standard action. Can one of them be turned into a swift action? Are they AoE or are they cast on myself with AoE effects?

Just looking for some clarification. Thanks for any help.

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Warrior of the Holy Light
replaces spells and grants additional uses of lay on hands
replaces aura of faith.

Undead Scourge
Modifies Smite Evil
replaces aura of resolve.
replaces aura of justice.

Divine Defender
replaces mercy and grants new ways to use lay on hands
Modifies Divine Bond

Seem to not modify anything that conflicts, but you may experience some that believe that granting new uses for lay on hands modifies lay on hands and would make Divine Defender and Warrior of the Holy Light incompatible. Ask your GM.

They would not both activate at the same time, but they appear to be able to operate at the same time. So two standard actions for sacred and morale bonuses.


Damien Tichener wrote:

1. Do they stack?

2. Can both be used in the same round or do they have to be activated separately? i.e Shared Defense on the first standard action then Power of Faith on the next standard action.

3. Can one of them be turned into a swift action?

4. Are they AoE or are they cast on myself with AoE effects?

1. One confers a Sacred bonus and the other confers a Morale bonus so they should be able to stack. Both of these abilities provide the light fortification effect and both specifically state that that particular effect does not stack with anything else, so that part will be exempt, but everything else should stack.

2. They both require standard actions to activate so you would have to activate them on separate rounds.

3. I don't see how you could make that possible.

4a. Shared Defense does not specify exactly what type of effect it is. As I understand it you activate this ability on yourself and its effects are always centered on you. The area of effect will move around with you.

4b. Power of Faith also does not specify exactly what type of effect it is. From what I can tell it is works just like Shared defense.

My suggestion is to talk with your GM and decide before you start playing exactly how you want this abilities to work and then stick with that. I think a constant AoE centered on you would work just fine.


Thanks for the help.

Since paladins can use Lay on Hands on themselves as a swift action. I was wondering if Shared Defense or Power of Faith would still qualify for that or not.

I have talked with the GM, we are still planning things out so the character hasn't been made yet. I was just wondering if anyone else had made a character like that and how they incorporated the abilities.

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James Risner wrote:

Warrior of the Holy Light

replaces spells and grants additional uses of lay on hands
replaces aura of faith.

Undead Scourge
Modifies Smite Evil
replaces aura of resolve.
replaces aura of justice.

Divine Defender
replaces mercy and grants new ways to use lay on hands
Modifies Divine Bond

Seem to not modify anything that conflicts, but you may experience some that believe that granting new uses for lay on hands modifies lay on hands and would make Divine Defender and Warrior of the Holy Light incompatible. Ask your GM.

They would not both activate at the same time, but they appear to be able to operate at the same time. So two standard actions for sacred and morale bonuses.

Per the recent FAQ, adding more uses of lay on hands disqualifies any other archetypes that modify the lay on hands ability.

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Jeff Merola wrote:
Per the recent FAQ, adding more uses of lay on hands disqualifies any other archetypes that modify the lay on hands ability.

Quite likely, but I can promise that there will be a ton of people that don't agree. To be fair, I read one of them as "this ability expends a lay on hands" and therefore wasn't modifying lay on hands. But that could be a very pedantic way to read it. To eliminate table variance, the OP would be better served to not do this combination.

Damien Titchener wrote:
Since paladins can use Lay on Hands on themselves as a swift action.

Irrelevant, as both specify a standard action to activate.

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