Share spells + Paragon Surge=???


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If I'm a half-elf can I cast Paragon surge on my animal companion, familiar via share spells and have her/him bear the benefits?
Here are the rules extracts:

Familiar share spells wrote:
Share Spells: The wizard may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his familiar (as a touch spell) instead of on himself. A wizard may cast spells on his familiar even if the spells do not normally affect creatures of the familiar's type (magical beast).
Animal companion share spells wrote:
The druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself. A druid may cast spells on her animal companion even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion's type (animal). Spells cast in this way must come from a class that grants an animal companion. This ability does not allow the animal to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.

Note: Sorcerer and cleric also can have ac.

Paragon surge wrote:

School transmutation (polymorph); Level alchemist 3, bloodrager 3, cleric 3, magus 4, paladin 4, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3
CASTING

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
EFFECT

Range personal (half-elf only)
Duration 1 minute/level
You surge with ancestral power, temporarily embodying all the strengths of both elvenkind and humankind simultaneously, and transforming into a paragon of both races, something greater than elf or human alone. Unlike with most polymorph effects, your basic form does not change, so you keep all extraordinary and supernatural abilities of your half-elven form as well as all of your gear. For the duration of the spell, you receive a +2 enhancement bonus to Dexterity and Intelligence and are treated as if you possessed any one feat for which you meet the prerequisites, chosen when you cast this spell.

Silver Crusade Contributor

TheTheos wrote:

If I'm a half-elf can I cast Paragon surge on my animal companion, familiar via share spells and have her/him bear the benefits?

Here are the rules extracts:
Familiar share spells wrote:
Share Spells: The wizard may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his familiar (as a touch spell) instead of on himself. A wizard may cast spells on his familiar even if the spells do not normally affect creatures of the familiar's type (magical beast).
Animal companion share spells wrote:
The druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself. A druid may cast spells on her animal companion even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion's type (animal). Spells cast in this way must come from a class that grants an animal companion. This ability does not allow the animal to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.

Note: Sorcerer and cleric also can have ac.

Paragon surge wrote:

School transmutation (polymorph); Level alchemist 3, bloodrager 3, cleric 3, magus 4, paladin 4, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3
CASTING

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
EFFECT

Range personal (half-elf only)
Duration 1 minute/level
You surge with ancestral power, temporarily embodying all the strengths of both elvenkind and humankind simultaneously, and transforming into a paragon of both races, something greater than elf or human alone. Unlike with most polymorph effects, your basic form does not change, so you keep all extraordinary and supernatural abilities of your half-elven form as well as all of your gear. For the duration of the spell, you receive a +2 enhancement bonus to Dexterity and Intelligence and are treated as if you possessed any one feat for which you meet the prerequisites, chosen when you cast this spell.

I would say no, because of the bolded portions above. If the spell said "humanoid only", then yes. But half-elf is too specific.

Unless your familiar actually is a half-elf, anyway. :)


I would lean towards it not working. Animal companions are not excluded because they have the wrong type (animal), but because they aren't a half-elf.


I am going to say no for similar reason.

Share spell allows you to ignore type.

Paragon surge requires a specific sub-type.

If a displacer beast had a special ability that allowed it to use items that worked for humanoid only, I still would not allow him to use a belt of Dwarven kind which requires (Humanoid,Dwarf).

Share spell works for (humanoid) but not for (Humanoid,Half-Elf), at least IMHO.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Technically, half-elf is not a subtype either. A half-elf is a humanoid (elf, human). :)

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